Why the possible "horrors of the Russian occupation" of Ukraine are greatly exaggerated


The other day on "Reporter" came out publication, dedicated to how a war between Ukraine and Belarus might look like, behind which Russia will undoubtedly stand. It is quite indicative that such a scenario terribly outraged and united in one trench the “Ukrainian” and domestic liberals, who are physiologically intolerable to the idea that Russia is not a “trembling creature” and “has the right” to something else. At the same time, some theses rained down in the comments, forbidding us to even think about a forceful solution to the Ukrainian problem. Let's go through the main ones.


So, why does Russia not have the right to defend its national interests by any means? First, let's define what exactly they are. Answer yourself honestly to the following questions.

Is it in Russia's interests that Ukraine has turned into a Russophobic hostile state, where our country is officially recognized as an "aggressor"?

Is it in Russia's interests that the military infrastructure of the countries that are members of the anti-Russian military NATO bloc is already being built on the territory of Ukraine?

Is it in Russia's interests that on the territory of Ukraine, somewhere near Kharkov and Zaporozhye, elements of the American dual-use missile defense system appear, where literally within a day, secretly anti-missiles can be replaced by cruise missiles with nuclear warheads?

Is it in Russia's interests that traditional industrial ties with Ukraine have been severed, and that the Soviet enterprises inherited by Independence are finally degrading and falling apart, or are some of them starting to work for our enemy in the person of Turkey?

Is it in the interests of Russia that a huge number of families have virtually broken family ties with those who remained in Ukraine, and the young generation in schools is already officially taught and educated in the spirit of "Ukrainianness" and hatred of Russia and Russians?

If you think that everything is fine, that it will resolve itself, then there is no point in reading further. If you think that in 2014, with the open connivance of the Kremlin, a real geopolitical and national catastrophe occurred, which must be resolved in any case, and the sooner the better, then we will continue our reasoning. Alas, there are no bloodless scenarios like the introduction of Russian troops into Kiev under the leadership of President Yanukovych, which was possible before May 2014. Now there are options of varying degrees of rigidity, and the more time passes, the higher the final price of the issue will be. The UK is already actively developing Ukraine, which now considers it to be its fiefdom. So, according to The Mirror, London is ready to send special forces to Kiev:

The HAU was told that it might need to be deployed very quickly. 400 to 600 soldiers are ready. All equipment is packed, they are ready to fly to Ukraine.

In an article about a possible war between Ukraine, on the one hand, Belarus and the proclaimed republics of Donbass, on the other, we examined the scenario of liberating Kiev from the Russophobic, pro-Western regime hostile to Russia, without the direct participation of the RF Armed Forces. Perhaps this is the best option. That is why it was interesting to read the reaction of Ukrainians and liberalists, who were frankly “burned out”. Let's move on to their counter-arguments.

The Ukrainians themselves chose this regime


Here the author of the lines was attacked by domestic liberals, pointing out that the citizens of Ukraine themselves chose this pro-Western puppet government, and therefore we, the Russians, must respect their choice. Say, we do not like him, but these are our problems. So?

No not like this. In the Third Reich, Adolf Hitler also came to power through elections, and his activities were also warmly approved by the majority. Before the defeat. Then everyone abruptly "changed their shoes" and said that they knew nothing about the death camps and war crimes of the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front. What difference does it make to us, the Russians, whether Zelensky is democratically chosen or not, if he, as president, gives permission to the American military to build a dual-use missile defense system near Kharkov and Zaporozhye? The United States won out, in fact, the Third World War was almost arranged because of the prospect of the appearance of Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba. This is a threat to the national security of Russia, and it does not matter in what form, democratic or non-democratic, it is packaged. The problem must be solved.

Yourself all by yourself


This myth is persistently implanted by those who justify policies non-interference of Russia in the Ukrainian events. Why is this a lie, and the Ukrainians will never be able to overthrow the pro-Western government on their own, we have already given as much detail as possible considered earlier.

It is significant that the readers living in Ukraine have fully confirmed all the above calculations.

The author "wants blood"

No, the author of the lines wants the "blood" to stop pouring. If anyone has forgotten, the war has been going on for more than seven years in Donbass, where the blood of the Russian people is shed. You can stop it only in Kiev.

At the same time, it is there that the issue of the status of Crimea is resolved, if someone does not understand this.

What are we going to do with those who disagree


We are told that in Ukraine there are only about 20% of those who are pro-Russian, and the rest are now either openly pro-Western or simply anti-Russian. Indeed, this is a big problem, a direct consequence of the inconsistent and stupid policy of the Kremlin in the Ukrainian direction. And what if Russian or Belarusian troops defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine and take Nezalezhnaya under their control? Liberals ask what to do with those who disagree, "to the wall" or to Solovki? And will Russia have enough strength for the "occupation"? We answer.

At first, the degree of Russophobia and the percentage of its distribution are greatly exaggerated. Almost half of the population has already fled from Ukraine, and a considerable part to Russia. This also says a lot. To say aloud something about the incorrectness of the European choice and the need to turn to Russia in Independent is simply life-threatening.

Secondly, we recall the Soviet film classics. "Wedding in Malinovka". As soon as the power changes, 80% of the current Russophobic patriots will put on a Budennovka and ardently persuade them that they have always secretly been for Russia and conducted subversive activities in favor of the Kremlin.

Thirdly, the remaining 20% ​​are free to do whatever they want within the framework of the current legislation. Note that the elimination of the pro-Western puppet regime means the restoration of trade and industrial ties with Russia, that is, the revival of Ukrainian enterprises and the emergence of new jobs. Do you want to work? Work. Even if you secretly don't like "Muscovites".

If someone decides to "partisan" and dirty the "invaders", he will receive it according to the law. Their former ideological comrades will obviously gladly help in this, who will find that they have more prospects under Russia. All potential "partisans" will immediately be "on the pencil" by the special services, do not even hesitate.

About the "horrors of the occupation." Russia does not need to occupy all of Ukraine, impose a curfew, and so on. It is enough to recruit "people's militia" from among those 20% of Ukrainians who have always been pro-Russian. The backbone may well be the militias from the DPR and LPR. In order to avoid a relapse of the Maidan, the RF Ministry of Defense really should open several military bases on the territory of Ukraine, but this is the whole “occupation” that is expedient. The rest will be done by the citizens of Independent.

War with Ukraine will lead to the Third world nuclear war


No, it won't. No one in the US and the EU really wants to fight and die for this Ukraine. Moreover, the situation on the energy market in the European Union is such that Brussels is now as hands tied as possible.

The most that can happen is the division of the territory of the Independent between the NATO bloc and the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. The territories of Western Ukraine will automatically withdraw to the West, and the efficiency of the RF and RB Ministry of Defense will determine where the new line of demarcation will pass.
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  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2021 13: 21
    0
    The problem of "Ukraine" is being solved by the forces of the LDNR (with a favorable "north wind."
    1. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
      Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 15 November 2021 13: 46
      -4
      only the partition of Ukraine into Ukraine will be able to secure Russia in the foreseeable future, the West will never stop trying to use this rather large territory against the Kremlin and Russia in this case, dividing Ukraine into two or three states will be easier for the Kremlin to negotiate with them, Novorossia, Little Russia and the western part, the latter let the west be occupied, divides between the Poles, Hungary, Romania, etc.
      Alas, the example of Donetsk and Luhansk suggests that the division into large territories (Little Russia and Novorossia) may not work, each village has its own generals and elite, then you will have to collect and construct regions following the example of Chechnya
  2. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 15 November 2021 13: 40
    +1
    The state always weighs the benefits and negative consequences. What is Russia's benefit from a military solution? The anti-Russian forces in Ukraine will be even more radicalized, Russia will have to extinguish all the problems of Ukraine with money, huge amounts of money. Relations with the West will slide down to such disadvantages and sanctions that the Russians themselves will start asking questions, but do we need this? The force scenario will be a vivid example of the narrative of aggressive Russia, it will no longer be Anschluss, it will be the division of Czechoslovakia in the Western media. Investment in Russia will fall to zero, sanctions, military escalation (arms race in Europe), economic decline and an explosion of discontent in Russia itself. And all the same, Ukraine will not be pro-Russian after that, most likely the opposite (visa-free travel for them will end, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians will be forced to return and say their thanks.
    Ukraine must choose its own path. Now it has become clear that the country cannot develop without Russia. Sooner or later, Ukraine will disintegrate itself, or a power will appear there that takes into account the interests of Russia and the West at the same time.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2021 14: 05
      +2
      The state always weighs the benefits and negative consequences. What is Russia's benefit from a military solution? The anti-Russian forces in Ukraine will be even more radicalized, Russia will have to extinguish all the problems of Ukraine with money, huge amounts of money.

      There will be no anti-Russian forces left after a military solution.

      The force scenario will be a vivid example of the narrative of aggressive Russia, it will no longer be Anschluss, it will be the division of Czechoslovakia in the Western media. Investment in Russia will fall to zero, sanctions, military escalation (arms race in Europe), economic decline and an explosion of discontent in Russia itself.

      This is happening anyway.

      Ukraine must choose its own path. Now it has become clear that the country cannot develop without Russia. Sooner or later, Ukraine will disintegrate itself, or a power will appear there that takes into account the interests of Russia and the West at the same time.

      False
      1. Adler77 Offline Adler77
        Adler77 (Denis) 15 November 2021 21: 11
        -1
        Of course a lie ... for only from your lips truth and truth flow.
        I suggest that you go for a month to the Donbass front for acquaintance and write a couple of three truthful articles for us from there.
        And then you are threatening so terribly from behind the monitor, but in reality? Go see how it is to fight….
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 November 2021 07: 39
          +2
          Of course a lie ... for only from your lips truth and truth flow.

          In this case, yes.

          My relatives and friends live in Donbass.
          Have you been from the trenches near Donbass for a long time?
          1. Adler77 Offline Adler77
            Adler77 (Denis) 16 November 2021 11: 51
            0
            I have not been to Donbass, but I was in another place. I already wrote where exactly.
            To have friends and relatives is one thing, but to go to war yourself is quite another. Since your relatives are there, visit them, and at the same time visit the front line. And then tell us, do you want such a life for us? No thanks…
            Now is just the right time, the guns began to speak again, you can feel how the earth and body tremble when fired.
  3. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 15 November 2021 17: 38
    -2
    This will not happen. Nobody wants to feed the Ukrainians again. It is much easier to sell it in pieces abroad. There will be more profit if you rent it out. Even to raft to Africa, let the Africans show them the elephant's mother.
  4. alexey alexeyev Offline alexey alexeyev
    alexey alexeyev (Alexey Alekseev) 15 November 2021 18: 36
    -2
    "Horror" of Russia is the population of Durkainy that will have to support Rossii.V defeat of the Alliance I do not even doubt.
  5. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 15 November 2021 19: 32
    -3
    - Yes, there is no way out of the "Ukrainian problem" that has arisen ... - Absolutely not ... there is no way out ... - That's it - the train has left ...
    - Ukraine is an absolutely "cut off piece" ... - and there can be no question of any "new reunification" ... ... - yes even - with Serbia ... - empty chores ...
    - Ukraine is now a completely different state, with a different people and there is no need to try to speculate on the concept of a "single Slavic people" and on the fact that "relatives live there" and "close family ties" and so on ... - all this is useless ... - And it's high time to understand all this ... - And even "feeding Ukraine" and granting Ukraine all kinds of preferences according to the principle - "take it from yourself (from Russia) and give it to Ukraine" ... - and it will give nothing. .. - it will be a waste of Russian funds ...
    - Of course - some cities of Ukraine and regions can join and become part of Russia - but even with them Russia will have a lot of problems ...
    Maybe future generations will come up with something and "find ways" ... - although this is unlikely ...
    1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 15 November 2021 21: 35
      0
      - Ukraine is an absolutely "cut off chunk" ... - and there can be no talk of any "new reunification"

      Don't upset me. How easily you Russian and Russian lands are deleted from the "list". And how much Russian blood was shed for these lands and people? Power will change and everything will change!
      1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 15 November 2021 21: 49
        -5
        Don't upset me. How easily you Russian and Russian lands are deleted from the "list". And how much Russian blood was shed for these lands and people? Power will change and everything will change!

        - Yes, that's it ... - And today we have to think - how not to lose the Far East and Siberia ... - That's what's topical ...
        - And Ukraine is already lost and completely ... - you can only grieve about it and nothing else ...
        - Today, even relatives who live in Russia and who are blood relatives in Ukraine - can quarrel like this ... - how centuries-old enemies do not quarrel with each other like that ... - I personally have witnessed this more than once ... - These are already they are "different" ... - and each one stands on his own ...
        - So do not flatter yourself and build illusions ...
        1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
          steelmaker 15 November 2021 21: 59
          -2
          That is, you propose not to do anything and let them kill further? Why are you establishing facts for me? If you disagree with the author, speak properly. And if you have nothing to offer - don't drive the blizzard!
          1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
            gorenina91 (Irina) 15 November 2021 22: 15
            -5
            That is, you propose not to do anything and let them kill further? Why are you establishing facts for me? If you disagree with the author, speak properly. And if you have nothing to offer - don't drive the blizzard!

            - Yes, there is - what to "offer" me - let's cry together !!!
            - And in a foreign country (in a strange monastery) - there is no longer anything to climb ...
            - It was necessary to climb when she was still her own ... - and now there is already another foreign people living there ... - and he (this foreign people) will no longer understand and accept this interference !!!
            - We with the LDNR cannot do anything and help them ... - but what can I say about the whole of Ukraine ...
            - Why are you betting on me cons ???
            - This is where it all begins - first they put the minuses to their like-minded people - and then "they will begin to use weapons" ... - and you can't stop them ...
            - So much for "Ukrainian affairs" ... - everything is as "written" (joke) ...
            1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
              steelmaker 15 November 2021 22: 23
              -2
              - Why are you betting on me cons ???

              I never give you a minus. Even if you are wrong a hundred times. I simply could not remain silent, because with such views as yours, my "relatives" betrayed me a hundred times. The same was evident, they believed that nothing could be done. Your "skin" is always closer to the body!
              1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
                gorenina91 (Irina) 15 November 2021 22: 47
                -4
                I simply could not remain silent, because with such views as yours, my "relatives" betrayed me a hundred times. The same was evident, they believed that nothing could be done. Your "skin" is always closer to the body!

                - Go to bed...
                - Good night...
                1. tulip Offline tulip
                  tulip 18 November 2021 11: 43
                  -2
                  I think we will deal with Ukraine ourselves without you- svidomitov. You should take care of how to quickly dump the canadchina into Ridna. Otherwise, you may end up on the gallows on the verdict of the UPU
  6. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 15 November 2021 19: 32
    -8
    that Russia is not “trembling” and “has the right” for something else.

    Did the author read Dostoevsky? Raskolnikov ended badly. And I am glad that the author understands that this is a crime.

    Is it in Russia's interests that on the territory of Ukraine, somewhere near Kharkov and Zaporozhye, elements of the American dual-use missile defense system appear, where literally within a day, secretly anti-missiles can be replaced by cruise missiles with nuclear warheads?

    Are they already? Negotiating?

    Is it in Russia's interests that traditional industrial ties with Ukraine have been severed, and that the Soviet enterprises inherited by Independence are finally degrading and falling apart, or are some of them starting to work for our enemy in the person of Turkey?

    Where were you in '14? Russian enterprises would be better watched.
  7. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 15 November 2021 19: 41
    -1
    The article is great! The author outlined the topic - you want to read, you want to not read. I put the right questions, I answered them myself. If you want to object - object. Just why object if everything is laid out on the shelves. Only "chase the blizzard." In general, everything is correctly and honestly written. Nothing can be solved peacefully.
    Only Russia, itself there to climb on a straight line, is not necessary. Suggest, teach, help with weapons is a must. There are supporters of Russia, they must be supported in the most decisive way. Plus Donbass 3 million people. There is Medvedchuk and his supporters. To seize power in the regions by any means. 20% is enough to hold on to power, the rest will simply agree, and not agree ... as they are with Donbass, and with them.
    1. Weimar maslou Offline Weimar maslou
      Weimar maslou (Weimar Maslow) 15 November 2021 23: 03
      +2
      There are NO pro-Russian leaders in Ukrainian! Medvedchuk is Yanukovych # 2, an ordinary pro-Ukrainian, mimicking a Russophile. I know him personally. Unfortunately, the issues will have to be solved radically in the Tiananmei style! This is where those 20% and the guys from the LPNR will be needed!
      1. Weimar maslou Offline Weimar maslou
        Weimar maslou (Weimar Maslow) 15 November 2021 23: 10
        0
        I wanted to say - !
      2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 16 November 2021 07: 48
        -2
        You probably won't believe it, but there weren't any American ones either, but they appeared immediately for the money. And the fact that the Russian authorities are parasites and thieves, so I emphasize in almost every comment. I was taught in the army: "If you are not going to shoot, do not point a weapon at a person." If the president doesn’t know how and doesn’t want to solve the problems - so maybe, well, he nafig, such a president?
  8. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 15 November 2021 20: 02
    -10
    What difference does it make to us, the Russians, whether Zelensky is democratically elected or not, if, as president, he gives permission for the construction of a dual-use missile defense system near Kharkov and Zaporozhye to the American military?

    Did he give? Going to give? Negotiating? Or will it be a purely preventive bombardment of Ukrainian cities? All this is sucked from the finger.
    Comparing Zelenskiy to Hitler is generally ridiculous.

    No, the author of the lines wants the "blood" to stop pouring. If anyone has forgotten, the war has been going on for more than seven years in Donbass, where the blood of the Russian people is shed. You can stop it only in Kiev.

    How many people have died in Donbass this year? In past? How many will die in the implementation of the bloody plans of the author? How many Russian soldiers? Ukraine has tactical missiles, how many Russian citizens will die? There will be orders of magnitude more victims.

    At the same time, it is there that the issue of the status of Crimea is resolved, if someone does not understand this.

    The status of Crimea is not decided there. This is primarily international recognition.

    First, the degree of Russophobia and the percentage of its distribution are greatly exaggerated. Almost half of the population has already fled from Ukraine, and a considerable part to Russia. This also says a lot. To say aloud something about the incorrectness of the European choice and the need to turn towards Russia in Independence is simply life-threatening.

    I agree that Russophobia is greatly exaggerated, I think ten times. That half of the population escaped from Ukraine, where did the author get it, from the same finger? The situation with refugees in Donbass in 14 is noteworthy, most of them left for Ukraine. It's no more dangerous than talking about Putin's palaces in the Russian Federation.

    Secondly, we recall the Soviet film classics. "Wedding in Malinovka". As soon as the power changes, 80% of the current Russophobic patriots will put on a Budennovka and ardently persuade them that they have always secretly been for Russia and conducted subversive activities in favor of the Kremlin.

    Maybe most will, even for sure.

    Thirdly, the remaining 20% ​​are free to do whatever they want within the framework of the current legislation. Note that the elimination of the pro-Western puppet regime means the restoration of trade and industrial ties with Russia, that is, the revival of Ukrainian enterprises and the emergence of new jobs. Do you want to work? Work. Even if you secretly don't like "Muscovites".

    Simple as that. And I thought the Ukrainian industry had long been plundered and sawed.

    If someone decides to "partisan" and dirty the "invaders", he will receive it according to the law. Their former ideological comrades will obviously gladly help in this, who will find that they have more prospects under Russia. All potential "partisans" will immediately be "on the pencil" by the special services, do not even hesitate.

    Reread Grachev with his parachute regiment. And look at the results.
    History teaches nothing.

    The rest will be done by the citizens of Independent.

    Eh, it's good to be a dreamer. Only Russia has nothing to offer the Ukrainians.

    The most that can happen is the division of the territory of the Independent between the NATO bloc and the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. The territories of Western Ukraine will automatically withdraw to the West, and the efficiency of the RF and RB Ministry of Defense will determine where the new line of demarcation will pass.

    The XNUMXth century ended long ago.

    I bet with the author that nothing like this will happen in the near future.
    1. Adler77 Offline Adler77
      Adler77 (Denis) 15 November 2021 21: 31
      -3
      Of course not, this is unnecessary, the author is a fan of fantasy, from the aircraft carriers and the Anschluss of Bolivia turned to Ukraine, well, until the aircraft carriers were built.
      As for Ukraine, I personally and the majority of people who adequately perceive the surrounding reality do not need it.
      She's already bankrupt.
      The best option is to wait and squeeze economically and, I think, there is the possibility of another revolution, and then some kind of war is not far away. In the process of the beginning of the turmoil, the east and south may fall off, only they are interesting to some extent. So, in the process of this mess, those who disagree will be pushed out of these regions, and those who remain will peacefully express their opinions on the Internet.
      But this is just my guess.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 November 2021 07: 36
        +2
        Of course not, this is unnecessary, the author is a fan of fantasy, from the aircraft carriers and the Anschluss of Bolivia turned to Ukraine, well, until the aircraft carriers were built.
        As for Ukraine, I personally and the majority of people who adequately perceive the surrounding reality do not need it.

        Do you adequately perceive reality? wink
        Because of people like you, then so much Russian blood will be shed ...
        People like you are the worst enemies of the country, because they are internal ones, pretending to be patriots.
        1. Adler77 Offline Adler77
          Adler77 (Denis) 16 November 2021 11: 44
          -2
          Yes, imagine, there are people with different views on life and politics.
          Your commissar's insides are rushing to ignite the world revolution and pay for it with Russian lives.
    2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 15 November 2021 21: 50
      -3
      So you are suggesting nothing to be done? Criticize, so suggest, but it turns out - just to say nasty things!

      And I thought the industry of Ukraine had long been plundered and sawed

      And why then did the Chinese run into this wreck? They were also offended that they did not get it. You need a glass to drink. Slow cells will die and your brain will work faster.

      nothing like this will happen in the near future.

      Here I agree with you. For something to happen, political will is needed, and in the near future it will definitely not be there.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 15 November 2021 23: 32
        -6
        Quote: steel maker
        So you are suggesting nothing to be done? Criticize, so suggest, but it turns out - just to say nasty things!

        Yes, I agree with former President Medvedev that we have to wait. Maybe in 20 years something will change, the current Russian elite will be replaced by a more sane one and relations with Ukraine will normalize even despite the Crimea.

        Quote: steel maker
        And why then did the Chinese run into this wreck? They were also offended that they did not get it.

        That was sarcasm. So roll the glass yourself.

        Violence gives rise to violence, the occupation of Ukraine has a lot of blood in Ukraine for the press, you can't be fond of blood.
        1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
          steelmaker 16 November 2021 07: 59
          -3
          what to wait.

          Well, let them wait with Putin - retired.

          Violence breeds violence

          Tell the United States that.

          That was sarcasm.

          What, everything was pouting? There are no more words left and nothing to say?

          you won't be sweet on blood.

          So you will be on Russian blood in Donbass? And your soul is rotten!
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 16 November 2021 14: 13
            -2
            Quote: steel maker
            Well, let them wait with Putin - retired.

            Both hands for. But it seems to me that Vladimir Vladimirovich will be at the helm for another 14 years. And his receiver is unlikely to be better.

            Quote: steel maker
            Tell the United States that.

            I understand that the USA is an example for you in everything. But weren't you taught as a child that you need to take examples only from good deeds?

            Quote: steel maker
            What, everything was pouting? There are no more words left and nothing to say?

            It was really sarcasm, I know that Ukraine even supplies equipment for nuclear power plants in the Russian Federation. Use the glass already.

            Quote: steel maker
            So you will be on Russian blood in Donbass? And your soul is rotten!

            What? Where did I say that you will be on Russian blood? Why are you inventing for me. Look into your rotten soul. It is you and the author who dream of organizing a bloodbath in Ukraine. And we know that in modern wars, ten civilians perish per combatant. And after that, you dare to talk about someone's soul.
            1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
              steelmaker 16 November 2021 14: 21
              -3
              Where I said that you will be on Russian blood

              An article about Donbass and Ukraine. If this is not the case, explain how to understand your phrase: "there is a lot of blood in Ukraine, you will not be sweet on blood" With regard to Donbass. Donbass blood is sweeter for you or what? Whose blood do you worry more about? Bandera or Donbass?
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 16 November 2021 22: 20
                -2
                Quote: steel maker
                An article about Donbass and Ukraine.

                An article about how the Russian army with one parachute regiment will defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine and occupy Ukraine. If your bloody dreams with respected Marzhetsky come true, blood will flow in the Donbass, and in central Ukraine, and in the west. And for the most part it will be the blood of civilians, children, women, old people. The cities will not determine who is Russian, who is Ukrainian, who is Western, and who is Bandera (despite the fact that in Lviv, 10% of the population consider themselves Russian), this will be determined only by God. I do not want the blood of civilians, children, women, old people to be shed. It doesn't matter if they are residents of Donbass, Kiev or Lviv. Andestend? And if the Russian army goes through the whole of Ukraine with battles, it will not add love to the Russian Federation just because of these children, women, old people.
                In 2017 I was on vacation in Crimea. At that time, there was a campaign to jam Ukrainian television on the peninsula. In the room I turned on the TV, the news was on. The correspondent talked about the conflict in eastern Ukraine, such settlements in the Donetsk region were shelled, about civilian casualties, about destruction, then there was an interview with a local resident who was outraged by the shelling that these bandits were not allowing them to live peacefully. Then they began to transmit news from Kiev, something bothered me, they were painfully positive, when advertising with Ukrainian phone numbers and www addresses began, it dawned on me that this was Ukrainian news in Russian. And news from Donbass was almost impossible to distinguish from the same Russian news from the same Donbass.

                This conflict has practically died out, in another year it will finally die out like Transnistria. And you and the respected author dream of organizing a bloodbath there with the number of victims much higher than today.

                Not on whose blood you will not be sweet.
                1. Fourth Offline Fourth
                  Fourth (Fourth) 16 November 2021 22: 27
                  -3
                  Both of you, two boots on one leg. We will treat you.
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 16 November 2021 22: 29
                    -2
                    You then? Oh well. The doctor was found.
                    1. Fourth Offline Fourth
                      Fourth (Fourth) 16 November 2021 22: 59
                      -2
                      Learn to write down your thoughts, "philosopher." Are you this or are you this?
    3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 November 2021 07: 38
      +1
      Sorry, but your entire comment is one solid demagogy. I won't even comment.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 16 November 2021 22: 27
        -2
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Sorry, but your entire comment is one solid demagogy. I won't even comment.

        Well it is clear.
        And tell me your speech about Ukraine is not demagoguery? about family reunification through a military operation?
        Everything's clear with you.
        1. Fourth Offline Fourth
          Fourth (Fourth) 16 November 2021 22: 53
          -1
          It is clear that you do not understand.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 16 November 2021 23: 44
            -2
            Is your credo writing meaningless comments?
  9. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 November 2021 23: 10
    -3
    The usual're coming out-topic.

    Since dividing zones exist, it means that it is profitable at the top. Not only in ukre.
    since 15, the situation has changed little - everyone at the top is happy with it.

    And the merged conversation of Poroshenko with Putin, and the data of trade between countries show that the sheriffs do not care about the problems of blacks.

    Mikoly and Nikolai let them fire at each other, so as not to think about an outsider, and let the rest be distracted by a bloody show.
  10. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 16 November 2021 01: 26
    +1
    Why should Ukraine stay?

    The violinist is not needed, dear!

    The Ukraine project has outlived its usefulness. Against the background of a general decline in economies, Ukraine will collapse at an accelerated pace. It is necessary to establish loyal regimes in the regions and, as soon as they become ready, join them to the Russian Federation. In the form of separate areas. No national entities. We can't deal with the Tatars. Ukraine as part of the Russian Federation is a permanent time mine. Only the Southwestern District of the Russian Federation.
    No occupation of Ukraine. They will sit on the neck again and hang their legs. They will demand their wishes from the "aggressor". Plus, there are enough of these mines laid there without nationalism and redneck. For example, Zelensky managed to start selling land. When checking, it turns out that 80 percent of the land will be owned by foreigners.
    If we annex the country as a whole, our ears will curl up from the showdown over foreign property. And if we cut it piece by piece - we take not the country, but the territory with people, all questions - to Kiev. And we consider the Kiev authorities an illegitimate junta. We have a legitimate president in Rostov, he did not sell anything. And when it comes to Kiev, everyone will just lag behind.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 November 2021 07: 51
      +1
      The Ukraine project has outlived its usefulness. Against the background of a general decline in economies, Ukraine will collapse at an accelerated pace. It is necessary to establish loyal regimes in the regions and, as soon as they become ready, join them to the Russian Federation. In the form of separate areas. No national entities. We can't deal with the Tatars. Ukraine as part of the Russian Federation is a permanent time mine. Only the Southwestern District of the Russian Federation.

      Ukraine itself will never fall apart, this is a myth. It can only be destroyed.
      Nobody in the article proposed to annex Ukraine to the Russian Federation, by the way. As well as "occupy" it. To control it, it is necessary to re-create the local army, police and other state structures, taking as the backbone of the people from the DPR and LPR.

      If we annex the country as a whole, our ears will curl up from the showdown over foreign property. And if we cut it piece by piece - we take not the country, but the territory with people, all questions - to Kiev. And we consider the Kiev authorities an illegitimate junta. We have a legitimate president in Rostov, he did not sell anything. And when it comes to Kiev, everyone will just lag behind.

      What nonsense anyway?
      What other legitimate president is in Rostov? You generally confuse the concepts of legitimacy and legality, google it. And the term of office of Yanukovych came out long ago, he is not legitimate and not legal for a long time already.
      What does property have to do with it? You are just doing demagoguery to justify our stupid policy towards Ukraine.
  11. Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
    Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 16 November 2021 05: 33
    +3
    So, why does Russia not have the right to defend its national interests by any means?

    Russia has that, only its leadership is ssat, hiding behind cunning plans and mnogohodovochki.
  12. Oleg Valevsky Offline Oleg Valevsky
    Oleg Valevsky 16 November 2021 10: 14
    -3
    The problem is that you are mentally stepping on Kiev, but in reality you are moving here:



    In that country, people are also told every day how well they live, how the rest of the world is afraid of them. And how much do they affect the life of mankind ...
    Well, in fact for the rest of the world that the DPRK, that the LDNR ...
    1. tulip Offline tulip
      tulip 18 November 2021 11: 55
      -1
      Well, as long as your Ukraine is moving along the path of North Korea. You have only one party line - the Bandervo line, and those who are against are the enemies of the people. This is where the people are divided and the death squads are marching. Yes, and you begin to live like there - beggarly. Your mrias about how we in Russia eat up the last hedgehog and walk in formation in the Gulag under the portraits of Putin - just your mriyas)))
  13. TermNachTer Offline TermNachTer
    TermNachTer (Nikolai) 16 November 2021 18: 54
    -1
    There will be no horrors, because Ukraine is already living under occupation. Most of the population agrees to any government, but not this one.
  14. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 November 2021 20: 04
    -1
    March 1991. Referendum on the preservation of the USSR. In Ukraine, 80% of the population is in favor of preserving the USSR.
    December 1991. Belovezhskie agreements. In Ukraine, 90% of the population is in favor of the collapse of the USSR and independence.
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    2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 16 November 2021 22: 59
      -2
      Including voted for independence in the Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk regions.
    3. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 November 2021 00: 18
      0
      There is no need now to harbor illusions that everyone was sincere Ukrainians and everyone sincerely supported the independence of Ukraine - no. It was not a choice between independence and continued membership in the USSR. Those who were against independence - there was no alternative. It was obvious that the USSR had collapsed. It was necessary to confirm the already obvious that the country is independent

      In Crimea, 54% of the voters voted for independence. That is, in reality, only 25% of the population of Crimea.

      There is no need to confuse different time periods. Now there is an alternative. Moreover, a lie was recorded in the referendum for the independence of Ukraine

      The first president of Ukraine and former 2nd secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk said that during the referendum the population of Ukraine voted for a state allied with Russia
  15. tulip Offline tulip
    tulip 18 November 2021 11: 49
    -1
    I agree with many things with the author. Sooner or later, we will have to decide with Ukraine - I personally don’t want my children to have a vicious Russophobe neighbor who will constantly shit. And the fact that Bandera Ukraine will constantly shit is a fact. Those who say there is nothing to go there, everything will resolve itself, there is like a different people - these are those who either scribble from the ipsoshny sofa, or the one who does not understand a damn thing. Ukraine is being built as a hostile state to Russia and nothing will resolve itself. Even if Russia again donates Crimea, surrenders everyone in the Donbass, pays a trillion dollars - all the same, Russia will be an enemy for the Banderaites and they will still demand more and shit no less. Therefore, it is necessary to decide.
    But I think, before the military path, Russia has another path - the economic one. Russia still feeds Ukraine, no matter how funny it sounds. We must start with a complete blockade - no gas, no oil, no electricity, nothing, and control so that Lukashenka does not supply anything. This is how you need to start - and then help the armies of the DPR and LPR to reach at least their borders
  16. Oleg Valevsky Offline Oleg Valevsky
    Oleg Valevsky 18 November 2021 13: 50
    -3
    Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
    Russia still feeds Ukraine, no matter how funny it sounds. We must start with a complete blockade - no gas, no oil, no electricity,

    Ahaha..!!))
    It’s bad when you’ve heard enough propaganda, and your thinking has become so numb that you don’t notice the contradiction in your own words ...

    How is it that Russia "feeds" Ukraine, if in the line below you write "about oil, gas and electricity" that Ukraine is BUYING?
    Since when is the seller "feeding" the buyer?)))
    And what about Europe, which makes the Russian Federation not sickly profits for hydrocarbons? Do you feed Europe too?
    Doesn't she feed you?))

    Ahaha!)))
    So don't feed! Stop all trade in things that have been dug out of the ground! At the same time, let's see how you can work! And so much arrogance and arrogance ... that "Russia feeds everyone" .. But at the same time, for some reason, "Ukrainians-idlers (I quote your brother) want to see everything as workers! Including on the construction of summer cottages near Moscow, by the way ... employers fought abroad for the working hands of the Russian Vanya, for some reason I did not hear
    1. tulip Offline tulip
      tulip 18 November 2021 21: 41
      -1
      It is Russia that feeds Ukraine by supplying it with gas, oil and so on. If you think that you are not feeding, then try to buy all this in Europe or the USA - and I will see at what price they will sell you)))
      And your Ukrainians in Russia have not been quoted for a long time due to mass laziness. Russians who have moved from Ukraine, from the same Nikolaev to Russian shipyards, work well in Russia
    2. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 19 November 2021 01: 23
      -1
      You, mister liar from Ukraine, are breaching again. In fact, the economy of the so-called. of Ukraine is "torn to shreds." More precisely, it simply does not exist. They call different numbers, but about 20 million so-called. Ukrainians plow in different countries of the world. At least 5 million horses in Russia. Hide the rest - some in Poland, some in Canada, some where, in short. Employees from the so-called. Ukrainians are lousy, employers everywhere admit it. But, they are still taken, especially the older generation of the so-called. Ukrainians, nevertheless, they are Caucasians and have a tolerable Soviet education (not all), the presence of remnants of conscience (not all). The younger generation is useless and hopeless. On the other hand, washing toilets in Poland is happiness for most stupid and moronic bloomers. It is not for nothing that they say so about Ukraine now - mykols to the construction site, halinas to the bed. You can't put it better, and this simple saying fully describes the labor market and industry employment of Ukrainian Indians.

      As for the working hands of the "Russian Vanya". So there are none. Russians do not go en masse to earn money abroad in the very manner in which you write. No, in fact, there are a lot of Russians all over the world, but this is basically a different level of employment and recreation, even now. Service is the prerogative of the so-called. Ukrainians. And also leisure - here ethnic Ukrainian women are beyond competition). I repeat, the main advantage of the so-called. Ukrainians - the fact that they are Caucasians. And they do not take these in embroidered shirts everywhere. I will repeat once again - service, construction, wash. Everything.