Ukrainian-Belarusian war becomes more and more real


An unexpected migration crisis on the Polish-Belarusian border may well lead to the start of real hostilities. But in this case, it will not be the NATO bloc and the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus that will fight, but Ukraine and Belarus. Who would have thought a few years ago that such a thing could even be possible? However, everything is heading towards a similar scenario. Who benefits from the Ukrainian-Belarusian war?


The situation on the border between Belarus and the EU countries inflames the imagination of many. Some military experts paint a picture of a simultaneous attack by Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine on Belarus, the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the DPR and LPR, the North Atlantic Alliance on the Kaliningrad region, and Japan on the Kuril Islands. Well, the likelihood of such a scenario is nonzero, but still very small. Russia is a nuclear power, which remains a deterrent for hotheads. As long as the "nuclear triad" is in order in our country and there is no confusion and vacillation, such scenarios of a direct external attack with the annexation of part of the territory of the Russian Federation by foreign invaders and invaders are extremely unlikely. Therefore, we will consider more realistic options.

In view of the above, direct hostilities of Lithuania or Poland, members of the NATO bloc, against Belarus, which is a part of the Union State with the Russian Federation, are practically ruled out. You can talk about this as much as you like, but words will not turn into deeds. But the situation changes dramatically after Ukraine got involved in the case.

Since the events of 2014, Minsk has been trying to build constructive relations with Kiev, playing the role of an intermediary between Russia and Independent and at the same time making good money on this. However, after the scandalous presidential elections in Belarus in 2020, Ukraine stood in solidarity with the West and did not recognize their results. After that, in Kiev, they began to draw from Belarus the image of no longer a friendly understanding neighbor, but a “Kremlin puppet”.

At the same time, Nezalezhnaya is objectively interested in starting a hot war with at least someone. Too many problems have accumulated in the country, the rating of President Volodymyr Zelensky has sunk too much, therefore the attention of the disgruntled, irritated public must be channeled somewhere, preferably on the image of an external enemy. There is Russia and the unrecognized republics of Donbass it supports, but the large-scale offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the DPR and LPR is fraught with large losses and unpredictable political consequences, if suddenly the RF Armed Forces intervene directly and go further, to Odessa, and even to Kiev.

And here the migration crisis appears at the right time on the border of Belarus and Poland with Lithuania. The European Union is definitely not going to let these unfortunate illegal migrants in. Minsk will not leave them for itself either, and you will not send refugees home, where they may be in danger. What to do? There is an option to redirect them towards the EU through Ukraine, and here Kiev suddenly appears as the injured party. Ukrainian radicals were immediately excited when they learned that thousands of people from North Africa and the Middle East could come to them. This is how the infamous former leader of the Right Sector (the organization is banned in Russia as extremist), and now an adviser to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Dmitry Yarosh, commented on this situation:

Attacks on the Polish border by the Kremlin's puppet Lukashenka should receive a worthy rebuff. I believe that Ukraine, if necessary, should provide all the necessary assistance to the neighboring friendly state ... For your and our freedom!

And it should be noted that Kiev has already begun to pull together the army and the National Guard to the border with Belarus. Knowing the degree of "controllability" and "frostbite" of the latter, there is no doubt that they will not be delicate with illegal migrants, like Polish border guards, but will show all their savage essence. What are the possible options further?

Option 1... Let's say the West has made a bet on the aggravation of relations with Russia through the conflict between Ukraine and Belarus. Then the following is possible.

According to President Lukashenko, illegal migrants who have accumulated on the border with Poland began to receive weapons and explosives from Independent Square in order to stage a provocation against border guards and NATO servicemen. Suppose that the "puppeteers" gave the go-ahead to redirect this flow to Ukraine in order to arrange a border conflict there. Then the National Guards will meet the unfortunate refugees with fire, and will begin to use drones to hunt them. At the same time, Belarusian border guards may suffer "accidentally". If they answer, then a real local armed conflict will begin.

Here, by the way, it will be possible to recall that Ukrainian nationalists have territorial claims to Belarus, in particular, views on the Brest and Gomel regions. Why shouldn't the Western puppets play this card by carrying out the "Anschluss" of Polesie and Brest region? Formally, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are stronger than the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus, which gives Kiev a false feeling of "untied hands". Of course, Russia will be forced to intervene and use its troops against Ukraine. This will give Kiev another reason to scream about "Russian aggression" and ask for NATO membership and the deployment of alliance troops on its territory. In NATO, Nezalezhnaya will most likely not be accepted, but sending military contingents and modern weapons is easy.

Option 2... Let's turn the situation around and suppose that in the Kremlin we have truly brave professional people with strategic thinking. Then, with the same data, a completely different outcome is possible.

So, illegal migrants are breaking through the Ukrainian border, meeting stiff resistance from the National Guards. The missile launched from the Bayraktar hits the positions of the Belarusian border guards or the military, bringing human casualties. Those answer. A border conflict begins.

But instead of expressing "concerns", Minsk gives the order for a general mobilization and the beginning of hostilities against Ukraine. Yes, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are larger in number than the Belarusian army, but at the same time, the militia and the people's militia of the DPR and LPR may come on the offensive, tying up the most combat-ready units of the Ukrainian army in the Donbass. And here the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus, tacitly propped up by units of the RF Armed Forces, which are located on the territory of Belarus and in the regions bordering with it, can disperse the National Guard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, reaching Kiev. Along the highway from the Belarusian to the Ukrainian capital, there are only 536 kilometers, if in a straight line, then even closer.

If you act decisively and swiftly, without exchanging for "concern" and "puzzlement", then there will be no talk of any NATO troops entering Independent. At most, this is their actual occupation of the western regions, but this can be dealt with later. Those Ukrainian "patriots" who are now tearing the vest on their chest will fight for a place on the landing gear of the plane leaving Boryspil.

A blow from two directions, from Donbass and Belarus, could quickly put an end to the puppet pro-Western regime in Kiev, finally turning the sad page of the history of Ukraine. At the same time, Russia will not directly participate in its liquidation, and the DPR, LPR and Belarus already have nothing special to lose. Cynical, but true.
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  1. Again war, again shooting
    the streets stink of a slaughter!
    there is no food at all in the shops
    melancholy, isn't it?
    1. Volga073 Offline Volga073
      Volga073 (MIKLE) 14 November 2021 02: 14
      0
      NATO will fight to the last Ukrainian.
      Why pity them there? ))
      1. And you think - it will not reach Russia ?! Yes, they will invade Russia from dispersal, because the conquest of Donbass will require a million-strong army with first-class weapons!
    2. zee555mail.ru Offline zee555mail.ru
      zee555mail.ru (Leonid Zhuravlev) 15 November 2021 05: 31
      +1
      The war was and is and will be. Who will forget this truth That at once becomes a slaughter His verse is sung in life Tosca is continuous, isn't it?
  2. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 13 November 2021 13: 03
    -9
    Ukrainian-Belarusian war becomes more and more real

    - Ha ... - again some kind of "Ukrainian-Belarusian war" and again - some "options" ... - Yes, Lukashenko does not want to fight with Ukraine ... - he does not want to, and that's it ...
    - And about the "options" ... - personally, I can offer the "third option":
    - This is when - the EU, the US (NATO) suddenly declare Belarus - "beloved wife" (and this is instead of a devoted and ready for anything Ukraine) ... - Yes - like that ...
    - And Lukashenko, who will be promised unlimited preferences and complete freedom of action (well, approximately ... like Erdogan); as well as he (Lukashenka), and - and "enough" will be given credits-money ... - and Lukashenka immediately begins to act ...
    - All the "gates" of Belarus "open wide" ... - NATO troops very quickly literally fill the territory of Belarus ... - And all Belarusian commanders will be ordered - "Do not act and all troops do not leave their places of deployment; do not take any measures and stay in the barracks ... - Introduce martial law in the country and wait for special instructions ... "
    - And the well-trained and intimidated "Belarusian commanders" (and many of them are recently "newly appointed") - simply do not dare to violate the order ...
    - At the same time, Russia, too, simply will not dare to undertake anything (despite the fact "Belarus is in the CSTO") ... it will be announced that everything in Belarus is done according to "the will of the Belarusian people themselves" ... - Lukashenko himself will make a "direct appeal" to the Belarusian people on all TV channels and in all media, etc.
    - Well, what will happen next ... - that will be - "all that will be" ...
    - Well, and Russia - and will continue - to supply gas to Europe ... - All "events" will not affect this ...
    1. Face Offline Face
      Face (Alexander Lik) 13 November 2021 16: 33
      0
      More like a greasy saucepan mriyka. Only a saucepan can believe the West and burn your house in exchange for cookies.
    2. Sergey Demin_2 Offline Sergey Demin_2
      Sergey Demin_2 (Sergey Dyomin) 13 November 2021 19: 12
      +1
      This is when - the EU, the USA (NATO) suddenly declare Belarus - "beloved wife", judging by my observations, Europe has rested its horns and wants to see the smart-ass Luka only in prison and, if possible, dead.
      1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 13 November 2021 23: 03
        -2
        judging by my observations, Europe has rested its horns and wants to see the smart-ass Luka only in prison and, if possible, dead

        - No ... - This is Ze (Zelensky) - already real - a broken card ...
        - And Lukashenka - just today is good enough - for the West to stake on him ...
        - Everyone in Russia has already understood that Lukashenka has already begun to create more problems than he is capable of creating positive ... - And even patient Putin already with great difficulty tolerates all Lukashenka's antics ... - And Lukashenka himself understands this and understands that he doesn’t have to be “Putin's friends” for long and is frantically looking for a way out; doing things - one more ridiculous than the other ...
        - So Lukashenka may well go for open betrayal and go over "to the West" ... - he simply has no way out ... - But in his hands the entire executive power in Belarus and the entire Belarusian army are still concentrated. in his hands ...
        - So you can expect everything from Lukashenka ... - I repeat - he has no way out and he has nothing to lose ...
        - - But, having crossed over and "bringing Belarus to NATO" (and Belarus will be immediately admitted to NATO without problems - this is not Ukraine) - already in a new role - Lukashenka can start a "new game" ... -
  3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 November 2021 13: 38
    -4
    What is the author of all the wars calling out? I would read something like "The war does not have a woman's face."
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 November 2021 13: 52
      +3
      I've read a lot.
      And the war in Donbass has been going on without stopping for 7 years. So let's go without liberal demagoguery.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 November 2021 16: 07
        -3
        This conflict is becoming frozen. Now, in the worst case scenario, a couple of dozen people die a year. This is certainly bad, but more people die in road accidents and drunken fights. In a couple of years, everything will be quiet there. But you stubbornly dream that so many perish at least a day. And how the war on the other side of Ukraine will help Donbass
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2021 09: 10
          +2
          The war in Donbass will end and the issue of the status of Crimea will be resolved only in Kiev
  4. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 November 2021 14: 00
    -7
    Yes, the country is already full of difficulties, but give the authors cows and Ukru.
    Ukra - especially, articles one after another.
    Somewhere there is a crisis on Mars))), but Ukraine and Belarus will fight. Why? Not to write about Mars.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 November 2021 14: 29
      +2
      Yes, the country is already full of difficulties, but give the authors cows and Ukru.

      You are satisfied with the available blood in the Donbass: Do you want to continue without end?
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 November 2021 19: 56
        0
        No.
        Do you want to add the blood of Belarus to the blood on the LDNR?

        We have already savored the possibility of bloodshed in Transnistria.
        Since the aggravation in the LPNR could not be predicted ...
  5. Oleg Valevsky Offline Oleg Valevsky
    Oleg Valevsky 13 November 2021 14: 05
    -11
    can quickly end a pro-Western puppet regime

    Hmm .. it never occurred to the author that there are countries in which the government is elected.? Not for fun, but in fact ..
    And since every time they choose exactly SUCH, "pro-Western", it means that this is the will of the majority of this people.
    And therefore ... Of course it is possible to reach Kiev, but what to do with this very majority of the people ?. These are millions of people ... tens of millions!
    Or do you think you can do it in the "old proven way" ..? That is to say, export your own "cultural" centuries-old traditions to another country?
    Curious to know how you imagine it?))) Apparently you think that these millions will enthusiastically look into your mouth?
    1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 13 November 2021 14: 28
      -8
      That is to say, export your own "cultural" centuries-old traditions to another country?
      Curious to know how you imagine it?))) Apparently you think that these millions will enthusiastically look into your mouth?

      - Yes, they will "drop in" ... - and already "drop in" ... - China has not yet officially "come to Russia" ... - but they already "drop in" and fawn at him and ... and .. . and learn Chinese ... - brrrrr !!!
      - How to explain it ???
      - And cultural Russian and Chinese values ​​are not easy - two big differences ... - but these are two different galaxies !!!
      - And then ... - for one "Russian glance" - at once a thousand "Chinese glances" ...
      - And who will "overlook" whom ...
      - And even then it would be possible to play "peepers" ... - "eye to eye" - and specifically to show everyone that the state of Russia can ("if anything") show its national will ... - And when like this ... - Russia only humbly lowers its eyes ... - and cannot look directly and firmly ... - then ... then ... then all that remains is to look into someone's mouth ...
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 November 2021 14: 30
      +4
      Hmm .. it never occurred to the author that there are countries in which the government is elected.? Not for fun, but in fact ..
      And since every time they choose exactly SUCH, "pro-Western", it means that this is the will of the majority of this people.

      Oh really? Did they have an adequate alternative? Liberal demagogy again?
      1. Oleg Valevsky Offline Oleg Valevsky
        Oleg Valevsky 13 November 2021 14: 56
        -8
        I do not know what is the "adequate alternative" in your understanding
        If we are talking about those wishing to get closer to Russia, then you can see the ratings of Medvedchuk, Muraev. Or OLE (although the latter is oh, how motley ..!)

        It will turn out to be 10, 15 ... well, let it be 20 percent of the population looking towards Moscow. Mostly retirees.

        Therefore, the question is valid: when you reach Kiev, what are you going to do with the remaining 80 percent? Young (middle-aged), energetic - over 20 million. Experiencing well-known feelings for the "liberators".
        Are they all to Solovki?
        Or against the wall?

        And one has only to withdraw the troops from Kiev, they will choose a new pro-Western leadership))
        In addition, from then it will already be 90 percent.

        Didn't 2014 teach you anything? Indeed, in 2012 in Ukraine, more than 80 percent of Russia was warmly attributed to Russia. Where did they go? Perhaps the State Department fed chopped oranges?
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 November 2021 15: 05
          +5
          The experience of Nazi Germany taught me everything I need to learn. There, too, everyone voted for power. But they were eventually told they were wrong. So tie up with demagoguery. I'm not going to bring you light. I need to eliminate the threat to my country and end the carnage in Donbass
          1. Oleg Valevsky Offline Oleg Valevsky
            Oleg Valevsky 13 November 2021 15: 15
            -6
            A threat?
            And that Ukraine attacked someone? (once attacked)?
            Well, perhaps, as well-known aggressors - the Baltic states ... or like Finland ..
            These yes ... well-known aggressors in the world. Like the Ukrainians
            Throughout its history, Ukraine has waged wars of conquest. Any schoolchild knows this
            1. Face Offline Face
              Face (Alexander Lik) 13 November 2021 16: 36
              +5
              Ukraine has attacked its own people. For the sake of the USA.
            2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2021 09: 14
              +2
              The threat to Russia is posed by the possibility of deploying NATO bases and American nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
  6. Face Offline Face
    Face (Alexander Lik) 13 November 2021 16: 32
    +4
    The second option is more obvious.
    Moreover, it is much more convenient for Russia - to deal with the Armed Forces of Ukraine under the Belarusian flag. All the bigwigs will fly to Lukashenka. Although they are already flying, it won't get any worse.
    And the Outskirts are more and more like a dog infected with rabies, it's time to put you to sleep.
  7. DonniCat Offline DonniCat
    DonniCat 13 November 2021 16: 59
    0
    Pan the author can better about the aircraft?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2021 11: 31
      +1
      Pan author about aircraft carriers has already expressed the main theses. Whoever wanted and could, he understood and appreciated. There is no point in explaining anything to the others.
      More on this site, I will not touch on this topic. hi
  8. Sergey Demin_2 Offline Sergey Demin_2
    Sergey Demin_2 (Sergey Dyomin) 13 November 2021 19: 18
    0
    the tailheads pull the formations to the borders of Belarus not to fight but to bend and get cookies under the deflection, and if there is no gesheft, they will gorble at the border and return. They do not have the strength to fight on two fronts at all, they cannot fully staff in the Donbass, and here is the second front! They do not shine cookies in Europe, they need to feed their parasites, but in general there are less and less troughs. They (Europe) have the question of how to drain the Ukrainians and, preferably, on our necks.
    So my opinion of a couch expert will take the especially violent to the border, they will gobble up and back to the wards
  9. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 13 November 2021 19: 47
    +3
    Quote: gorenina91
    Ukrainian-Belarusian war becomes more and more real

    - Ha ... - again some kind of "Ukrainian-Belarusian war" and again - some "options" ... - Yes, Lukashenko does not want to fight with Ukraine ... - he does not want to, and that's it ...
    - And about the "options" ... - personally, I can offer the "third option":
    - This is when - the EU, the US (NATO) suddenly declare Belarus - "beloved wife" (and this is instead of a devoted and ready for anything Ukraine) ... - Yes - like that ...
    - And Lukashenko, who will be promised unlimited preferences and complete freedom of action (well, approximately ... like Erdogan); as well as he (Lukashenka), and - and "enough" will be given credits-money ... - and Lukashenka immediately begins to act ...
    - All the "gates" of Belarus "open wide" ... - NATO troops very quickly literally fill the territory of Belarus ... - And all Belarusian commanders will be ordered - "Do not act and all troops do not leave their places of deployment; do not take any measures and stay in the barracks ... - Introduce martial law in the country and wait for special instructions ... "
    - And the well-trained and intimidated "Belarusian commanders" (and many of them are recently "newly appointed") - simply do not dare to violate the order ...
    - At the same time, Russia, too, simply will not dare to undertake anything (despite the fact "Belarus is in the CSTO") ... it will be announced that everything in Belarus is done according to "the will of the Belarusian people themselves" ... - Lukashenko himself will make a "direct appeal" to the Belarusian people on all TV channels and in all media, etc.
    - Well, what will happen next ... - that will be - "all that will be" ...
    - Well, and Russia - and will continue - to supply gas to Europe ... - All "events" will not affect this ...

    How many times have they said that smoking grass and drinking moonshine at the same time is harmful. Bullshit. Completely insane.


    Lukashenka's preferences are the surrender of all today's satellites. Ukrov, pshekov, lithuania. Big boys don't do that. They put every shell in front of them. They can provoke ukrov-. Psheki will lose too much, and they will not climb forward. This pulls the pushers have nothing to lose, they are primarily an expense.
  10. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 13 November 2021 19: 55
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    What is the author of all the wars calling out? I would read something like "The war does not have a woman's face."

    A pulled bun of hair from the beard and spells like Doh-tebidoh are well protected from the outbreak of war ...
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 November 2021 21: 46
      -2
      Are you saying that the respected author does not engage in hysteria, but provides high-quality analytics based on reality?
      Type of this:

      So, illegal migrants are breaking through the Ukrainian border, meeting stiff resistance from the National Guards. The missile launched from the Bayraktar hits the positions of the Belarusian border guards or the military, bringing human casualties. Those answer. A border conflict begins.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2021 09: 11
        +2
        I have no other analytics for you. Don't like it, don't read it.
  11. Dima Offline Dima
    Dima (Dmitriy) 13 November 2021 20: 46
    0
    Why would Lukashenka fight Kiev? Why should Russia fight Kiev? There is no point in this war yet. Any war brings the population together, and Putin put it on the opposite, on the collapse of the Bandera regime.
    1. Adler77 Offline Adler77
      Adler77 (Denis) 13 November 2021 22: 32
      0
      Of course it is, but “today is tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Or rather, not only everyone can watch, not everyone can do it. "
      War is possible only if the comrades themselves suddenly trample in the attack, but the Russian Federation will not wait for such a gift.
  12. Oleg Valevsky Offline Oleg Valevsky
    Oleg Valevsky 13 November 2021 23: 16
    -2
    Quote: Lick
    Ukraine has attacked its own people. For the sake of the USA.

    Hmmm .. there is such a Girkin (Strelkov). He has already told so much ... And, you know, what he told, told in detail, contradicts what you have written
  13. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 13 November 2021 23: 32
    +3
    1. In fact, Ukraine is an associate member of NATO, similarly to Sweden and Finland, which are members of the Scandinavian Union, together with Norway and Denmark, members of NATO.
    2. Belarus + RF = Union State Education.
    Belarus is a member of the CSTO.
    Both of these organizations provide for military cooperation and mutual assistance.

    Overall, NATO is superior to Russia and Belarus in all respects, with the exception of weapons of mass destruction.
    A full-scale war between Ukraine and Belarus will automatically grow into a war between NATO and the Russian Federation with the use of weapons of mass destruction, and this is the third world war.
    Such a development of events is unacceptable for big capital, and therefore impossible. The maximum possible, an armed confrontation similar to the Berlin one and a small border conflict, which is very unlikely.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 14 November 2021 00: 15
      -3
      Nobody will fight for Ukraine. It's just that such a war will cost the Russian Federation so dearly (in every sense) that the chances of a war are practically zero. And it's not a fact that the Russian army in its current form will have enough strength for the occupation,
    2. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
      sH, arK 14 November 2021 10: 17
      +1
      Overall, NATO is definitely not superior to Russia in terms of ground weapons. NATO has decisive superiority at sea and in the air. Parity in strategic nuclear weapons and Russia's complete multiple superiority in tactical nuclear weapons limits NATO's activity. And do not forget, our problems are at our side, and for NATO it is a remote theater of operations, and war, as you know, is 80% logistics! And offensive actions require significant superiority at a given local point, and this will really be extremely difficult for NATO. Precisely because Ukraine in NATO breaks the balance of power in the fact that a potential theater of operations will appear on the border with Russia, while radically reducing logistical problems, is the main reason for the conflict. For example, the Baltics are not such a theater of operations due to geographical reasons. Neither the concealed concentration necessary for the start of hostilities is possible there, much less in wartime - there simply will be no time.
    3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2021 09: 12
      +2
      A full-scale war between Ukraine and Belarus will automatically grow into a war between NATO and the Russian Federation with the use of weapons of mass destruction, and this is the third world war.
      Such a development of events is unacceptable for big capital, and therefore impossible. The maximum possible, an armed confrontation similar to the Berlin one and a small border conflict, which is very unlikely.

      Why didn't the war between Russia and Azerbaijan automatically start over Armenia?
  14. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 14 November 2021 03: 13
    -1
    all these passions about the NATO war - Russia, Belarus - Ukraine, etc. do not take into account the interests of Berlin and Paris, as if they did not exist at all. What kind of war? Wars start out of despair or to achieve goals that exceed the losses from the war.
    The United States and England (the United Kingdom is somehow too difficult to call it), they are trying to stir up passions in Europe, to keep Europe's relations with Russia at the level of tension, uncertainty - to prevent the fires of discord that were artificially laid between Russia and Europe from disappearing. The collapse of the Ukrainian regime, which is accelerated by the energy crisis, is the danger that the main fire will go out on its own, so much so that not only Ukraine's dependence on Russia will become evident, but also the failure of the "democratic" experiment in the post-Soviet state. That will close the topic of similar "transformations" in Russia itself too. So they are trying in every way to force Russia to return to the status quo, to give Ukraine gas and coal and something else. Blackmailing Russia with the war in Donbass is the imposition of a situation with an uncertain outcome and great risks. Russian intervention in the conflict in Ukraine will certainly be a serious crisis in Europe and in relations with Russia, especially in the context of what will happen to Ukraine after this intervention. Rapprochement with Germany and France will be significantly complicated.
    But on the other hand, they themselves do not know how everything will turn out and they themselves are extremely not interested in the beginning of hostilities in the Donbass. Russia can solve the issue without a ground invasion, simply defeat the most motivated units of Ukraine from the air. No one is sure that everyone in the Armed Forces is eager to fight the east of their own country. Here the risks are high for everyone. No one needs any war now. Russia - Berlin and Paris will allow this Ukrainian abscess to burst itself, after which the power there will be replaced by the next president.
  15. ... Those Ukrainian "patriots" who are now tearing the vest on their chest will fight for a place on the landing gear of the plane leaving Boryspil.

    Not a single plane, not a single airfield in Ukraine should take off if Russia gets involved. All airstrips must be destroyed at the very beginning of the conflict.
  16. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 14 November 2021 13: 30
    -2
    Digress from the topic. Belarus brought them in, launched them, let them get out of the planes without documents, with the support of the security forces, takes them out to the borders of Poland and Lithuania. Let her solve this problem herself. And Ukraine says everything correctly. And it turns out, as in one story. I shit under your door. Open up and let me in! Oh, if you don’t want to, I’ll put you under another door, and I’ll also set them on fire! Do not think that you are the only one (Lukashenka + Co) so cunningly "opy".
  17. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
    aquarius580 14 November 2021 23: 33
    -4
    Don't worry. You will not be able to set the Ukrainians and Belarusians against each other. This is really one people, tk. their ancestors lived under the Magdeburg Law. unlike the Muscovites, where there has always been a monarchy.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2021 09: 13
      +2
      Nothing is as fun as the Ukrainian vision of history
  18. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2021 09: 18
    +2
    Quote: Oleg Valevsky
    Therefore, the question is valid: when you reach Kiev, what are you going to do with the remaining 80 percent? Young (middle-aged), energetic - over 20 million. Experiencing well-known feelings for the "liberators".
    Are they all to Solovki?
    Or against the wall?

    And one has only to withdraw the troops from Kiev, they will choose a new pro-Western leadership))
    In addition, from then it will already be 90 percent.

    Let them do what they want within the framework of the current laws. It is not necessary to withdraw anyone anywhere, Russia will have to place military bases in Ukraine in order to avoid relapses.
    Local policemen from your own Ukrainians will deal with the stubborn "partisans".
  19. Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 15 November 2021 17: 02
    +1
    Quote: gorenina91
    judging by my observations, Europe has rested its horns and wants to see the smart-ass Luka only in prison and, if possible, dead

    - No ... - This is Ze (Zelensky) - already real - a broken card ...
    - And Lukashenka - just today is good enough - for the West to stake on him ...
    - Everyone in Russia has already understood that Lukashenka has already begun to create more problems than he is capable of creating positive ... - And even patient Putin already with great difficulty tolerates all Lukashenka's antics ... - And Lukashenka himself understands this and understands that he doesn’t have to be “Putin's friends” for long and is frantically looking for a way out; doing things - one more ridiculous than the other ...
    - So Lukashenka may well go for open betrayal and go over "to the West" ... - he simply has no way out ... - But in his hands the entire executive power in Belarus and the entire Belarusian army are still concentrated. in his hands ...
    - So you can expect everything from Lukashenka ... - I repeat - he has no way out and he has nothing to lose ...
    - - But, having crossed over and "bringing Belarus to NATO" (and Belarus will be immediately admitted to NATO without problems - this is not Ukraine) - already in a new role - Lukashenka can start a "new game" ... -

    These are your dreams, nothing more, nothing like that will happen.
  20. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 17 November 2021 06: 38
    -1

    It was about the USSR. And now it is relevant for all countries and republics of the former USSR. Especially for some with imperial ambitions.
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