Russia has transferred some of the fastest tanks in the world to Ukraine

Western media continue their clumsy attempts to convince the Ukrainian leadership and the international community that Russia is going to "attack" Ukraine. On November 8, the American agency Bloomberg reported that the Russian Defense Ministry had deployed "at least" one battalion of tanks to the Voronezh region.

The material specifies that Russia has sent to Ukraine one of the fastest tanks in the world - the T-80U with a single gas turbine power plant. Moreover, the agency referred to the publication in the British edition of Janes, which was previously noticed in the dissemination of false information.

At the same time, the echelon of the 4th Guards Tank Division was allegedly spotted at the Maslovka railway station in the aforementioned region. This armored vehicle, presumably, was sent to the Pogonovo training ground, 250 km from the Ukrainian border. It was noted that in the spring of 2021 there was a "concentration" of the Russian army at this military facility, which made the West alarmed.

Social media monitoring of the forces by Jane's analysts shows that Russia is moving troops to "bridgeheads" closer to the border with Ukraine. Although it is not immediately obvious that an escalation of the conflict in Ukraine is inevitable, movement does go beyond the usual "cycles" for the RF Ground Forces.

- explains Janes.

We remind you that over the past few weeks, the Western media, literally in chorus, "highlighting" each other, publish materials of a similar nature, creating information noise. At the same time, Ukrainian officials, which is generally surprising, talk about the invariability of the number of Russian troops on the border with Ukraine.
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  1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 9 November 2021 18: 06
    Russia has transferred some of the fastest tanks in the world to Ukraine

    - In general - Russia needs to more often make such manipulations with tanks (toss them over, "deploy" them to false positions, then withdraw, etc.) ... - Ukraine will have to react to all this and periodically "bother" its armored vehicles in response. .. -and also move your armored vehicles ... and constantly spend fuel ... -And the tanks are very "voracious" ... -This is how you can create a shortage of fuel (and there is not so much of it in Ukraine anyway) and leave Ukrainian equipment "not on the move" ... - Hahah ... - The method is simple, but very effective ...
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 9 November 2021 22: 19
      - And the tanks are very "gluttonous" ...

      Irina, you do not understand the seriousness of the moment.

      This high-speed gas turbine battalion will be on the banks of the English Channel in a couple of days.
      It would be where to refuel with gas (stinking Russian, Western democratic they do not fit the performance characteristics).
      The battalion is only waiting for the opening of SP-2 and filling the western storage facilities with sufficient gas.
      And then........

      1. Bitter Offline Bitter
        Bitter 9 November 2021 22: 40
        And then.....


        And then, for sure,
        Suddenly the clouds will dance
        And the grasshopper starts playing on the violin ...

        Many do not understand, but you can joke around. wink
        The main manipulation with the T-80U was done in the early 90s, now the dances of the newly made offended capitalists are not particularly impressive to anyone. And if it were in principle, then there would have already been funds and forces to restore order in Donbass, and so it all looks more like a slightly veiled "gesheft".
      2. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 10 November 2021 02: 56
        Actually, the T-80s are fueled with aviation kerosene. If not right, correct laughing
        1. Bitter Offline Bitter
          Bitter 10 November 2021 10: 30
          Actually, the motor there is multi-fuel. Somewhere a liter per horsepower is required, but there are a lot of them. So it is better to go to the places of hostilities on trailers, and the tankers should not lag behind. In general, a wonderful car.
      3. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 November 2021 10: 36
        And what is the speed of this "one of the fastest"? Yes, he is fast, but it seems to me that it is not enough to be so delighted ...
        1. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
          Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 10 November 2021 15: 19
          so Jewelin will catch up anyway ...
          1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) 10 November 2021 21: 27
            so Jewelin will catch up anyway ...

            Javelin doesn't fly by itself.
            And the Ukrainian operators from the simulators are still bastards.

        2. Bitter Offline Bitter
          Bitter 11 November 2021 12: 24
          This is a tank, not a racing car. Tanks in nature alone are very difficult to survive, so they live in flocks. wink
          Maximum speed of movement on the march, not faster than the slowest unit of the unit.
          But in combat conditions, you can quickly respond with this combat unit.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 November 2021 13: 03
            My comments were about speed. Especially about a couple of days and the English Channel. And what will T-80 battalions do on the banks of the English Channel without artillery, infantry and an air umbrella?

            It's also interesting about the responsiveness. Well, this battalion will give it on the march of 80 km / h. Again, the reaction speed of UNAFFICIENT units matters. The introduction of the same T-80s into Grozny was not the smartest idea.

            The concept of tanks does not stand still. Now there is a question of revising the structure of tank units. Add a pair of Terminators to the tank platoon. Introduce control tank. Which would be able to link all combat units into a single tactical echelon control system. It seems that it is planned to use Armata for this. And what will be the speed of such a platoon?

            The T-80 tank itself, and its modifications seem to be very positively evaluated by tankers. There are nuances in the handling, but the tankers say that the car is very good. Especially in the cold. Gas turbine engines are not only found on Russian tanks. They are also installed on the Abrams. Moreover, there are 1500 hp, and on the T-80 it seems to be 1250 hp. But due to the mass, the mobility of the T-80 is much higher. And Americans don't get along very well with filters.

            I have often seen the speed of the main tanks at 72 km / h. When I asked why in different countries on different tanks the indicator is the same, I received an answer. Good interlocutors were on specialized forums. One of them (a colonel-tanker) popularly explained to me (and then read it in reference books) - the speed of the caterpillar is twice the speed of the tank. And at high speeds they fly off easily. At the last tank biathlon, Russian tankers dispersed the T-72 to 77 km / h. As a result, the tracks fell off and earned 3 minutes of penalty time. The same thing happened with Tajik tank crews.

            So the T-80 is apparently good. Tankers will say this in more detail. But the concept of using tank units will be determined at headquarters and on the basis of exercises. We may not see a purely tank battalion on the T-80. There will be several vehicles, including tanks, a command and staff vehicle, air defense, anti-aircraft defense, control of unmanned aerial vehicles, fire spotters. And everyone should have the same speed. What Guderian wrote about a long time ago when creating the concept of tank divisions: "All units of a tank division must have the same speed and cross-country ability." It will be problematic to squeeze all this into one platoon or company. Most likely a battalion or brigade. And how it will be called is no longer important.

            PS Please note that this is my opinion of a civilian shpak. And I ask you not to hit hard. I do not consider the tank as a separate combat unit. I am just thinking about the role of the tank UNITS in the fighting. Purely tank battalions seem to me an anachronism.
            1. Bitter Offline Bitter
              Bitter 11 November 2021 13: 46
              ... what will T-80 battalions do on the banks of the English Channel without ...

              After a while, they will just rust. request

              "All units of a tank division must have the same speed and maneuverability." It will be problematic to squeeze all this into one platoon or company.

              The platoon / company has its own tasks. For example, the squadrons / platoons do not plan to cover tanks from the air. This is the task of other military commanders, but in some armies it was these "chiefs" who, having given the battle order to the tankers, for some reason considered their mission completed. However, in the same way, paratroopers, infantry and pilots were doomed to feat more than once.
              The role of tank units will remain one of the most important, but success and victory is the result of the joint efforts of all branches and types of troops.
              I also do not claim to be an expert, this is a purely personal opinion. It is difficult to say what a tank will look like in the next century, but what it will be is obvious.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 November 2021 13: 56
                The fact of the matter is that at present platoon and company commanders cannot deal with the entire range of tasks. Therefore, the task is to revise the structure of divisions.
                Couple quotes
                Vyacheslav Khalitov, deputy general director of Uralvagonzavod corporation for special equipment.

                The heavy universal tracked platform "Armata" will lead to the abandonment of the classic companies and battalions and the transition to modular-type units.

                “We have the ideology of the future combat system based on the heavy unified tracked platform“ Armata ”- we propose to move away from such regular units as a motorized rifle, tank company, and switch to combat modules, i.e. a certain set of combat and support vehicles "

                the composition of the minimum tactical module could look, for example, as follows: one or two T-14 Armata tanks, two or three heavy infantry fighting vehicles T-15, a fire support vehicle with a combat module equipped with a 57-mm gun, a combat strike vehicle with a combat module equipped with a 152-mm cannon, a command and control vehicle and a support vehicle.


                military expert Viktor Murakhovsky

                Currently, an experimental company of tank support combat vehicles is deployed as part of the 90th Guards Tank Division of the Central Military District. Since last year, equipment, which has no analogues in the Russian army, has been tested in different conditions together with other machines. In particular, BMPTs were involved in several stages of the Caucasus-2020 exercises. During the maneuvers, the military tested the integration of vehicles into a single combat control system and interaction with other types of equipment on the battlefield.


                The results of tests and exercises will be reported by the end of 2021.
                1. Bitter Offline Bitter
                  Bitter 11 November 2021 14: 19
                  They won't be able to do it later, because they have narrow tasks in a certain area of ​​the terrain, plus powers and competencies.
                  There won't be much change. Even in the USSR, there were units of the MSB type, regularly reinforced by a tank company. Well, they will add an anti-aircraft platoon to their staff and all the cases. One support vehicle will not do, the specificity of combat vehicles is very different, and so on. So the bloated battalion turns out and the speed of its reaction slows down accordingly. Tank units, as such, are simply necessary, in certain situations it is a sword-kladenets.
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 November 2021 14: 39
                    Let's take a look. It was just about this that it was said that adding subdivisions does not justify itself. According to the "Gerasimov doctrine" (and this is, among other things, a whole chief of the General Staff), it is necessary to create tactical battalion groups. It was planned to increase their number, it seems, up to 180. That is, permanent modular subdivisions. Not the essence of how they will be called. These should be independent combat-ready units. That is why the brigade structure of the troops is unworkable. We need a divisional structure. the Americans calculated that in terms of firepower, 3-4 BTGs could defeat an American infantry brigade.
                    And this is the opinion of an American (apparently he was in Donbass)

                    Unlike the brigade combat group, BTG is a Russian innovation used in small wars as part of a hybrid war. As Russia's actions in Donbass have shown, powerful systems of conventional weapons are hidden under the guise of hybridity. Russia's tactical innovation in its ground forces influences the concept of an operation, especially in the areas of campaign planning and sequencing of operations. Russia has reorganized its tactical formations into BTGs (in particular battalions and brigades) to create forces with much greater power than those of the same order. The Russian BTG includes one tank company, three mechanized infantry companies, an anti-tank company, two or three self-propelled artillery batteries, a missile battery with multi-barreled launchers, and two anti-aircraft batteries.
    2. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 10 November 2021 03: 09
      The tank is not only gluttonous, but also limited in motor resources. Therefore, they try to drive them to the battlefield on trailers. A car with a trailer eats minuscule compared to a tank. So this braking will not lead to a strong consumption of fuel. The easiest way is to hit the warehouse with a caliber gsm. love
      1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 10 November 2021 03: 22
        The tank is not only gluttonous, but also has a limited motor resource, which is why they try to drive them to the battlefield on trailers.

        - What do you mean ??? - I really didn't know ...
        - One tank ... - one tractor (which is also not refueled with air) ...; constant starting of tank engines; taking positions by a tank under its own power; and also whole columns of technical support; refuellers and repair services; deployment of "tent camps" with all the specifics (or tankers will "live in tanks" and not get out of them) and so on ... and so on ...
      2. Dear sofa expert. 10 November 2021 13: 18
        The tank is not only gluttonous, but also limited by its motor resource.

        Don't talk about what you don't know. For example, the T80BVM modification has a "idle" mode, which significantly reduces fuel consumption. In addition, the oil consumption of a gas turbine engine is 20 times (!) Lower than that of a diesel engine, and the turbine itself is much more durable, it has a long resource, and is better adapted to work in winter conditions. Well, and "more environmentally friendly" (whoever drove in a convoy for diesel engines at least once, he knows ..)
        1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 10 November 2021 16: 00
          The turbine is more durable, but the gusli resource is not very good. I had the "pleasure" to change the goose for a BMP. In winter. True, in Germany. That’s still a thrill.
        2. Bitter Offline Bitter
          Bitter 11 November 2021 12: 35
          idle mode,

          And no longer fast. request Oil consumption may be less, but oil is several times more expensive. In reality, for Russia this is not a significant indicator, if it is necessary to produce as much fuel and oil as required, there is a resource.
          If the "Yeltsins with the Gorbachevs" will run the business, then the results have already been seen. Then "oil" and "fuel" are only for their own people. wink
  2. steelmaker Online steelmaker
    steelmaker 9 November 2021 20: 08
    that Russia is going to "attack" Ukraine.

    It would be high time! Ukraine has broken all red lines for a long time. And our chess player calculates all the moves!
  3. Oleg Gorshkov Offline Oleg Gorshkov
    Oleg Gorshkov (Oleg Gorshkov) 9 November 2021 21: 21
    This is a feasible humanitarian aid to the fraternal people in spite of its stupidity. They are now overrun from the Russian maneuvers, they will make a lot of manure, the manure will be absorbed into the already black earth soil, and next year an extremely rich harvest will grow on the abundantly manured land, and finally the Ukrainians will live as richly as they dreamed!
  4. Veselchak-U Offline Veselchak-U
    Veselchak-U (Alexey Derevyanchenko) 10 November 2021 09: 57
    And I just live next to Maslovka ...;) Well, if you only saw the tanks, it's already good! :)
  5. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 10 November 2021 19: 43
    The armor is strong and our tanks are fast. Higher, higher and higher we strive for the flight of our tanks and in each turbine we hear the puffing of our victories.