Romania demanded from Ukraine not to recognize the identity of Moldovans

November 5, 2021 27

The Secretary of State of the Romanian Foreign Ministry Dan Neculaescu, during a meeting with the Deputy Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Igor Zhovka on Friday, November 5, demanded that Kiev do not officially recognize such an element of Moldovan identity as language. Meanwhile, Russia and Ukraine are the only states that recognize the existence of the Moldovan language.

The officials also discussed the problems of the Romanian community living on the territory of Ukraine. We also paid attention to access to education in the Romanian language, which became difficult due to the law on the indigenous peoples of Ukraine, signed by Volodymyr Zelenskyy in July this year.

The report of the Romanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs reflected that the rights of the Romanian minority in Ukraine remain a very important issue on the agenda. It is necessary to resolve all issues arising in this area in a sustainable and effective manner.

Meanwhile, the head of the Association of Moldovans of Ukraine Anatoly Fetesku believes that now it is necessary to make every effort to defend the national identity of Moldovans. In his opinion, Chisinau is holding policiesaimed at the absorption of Moldova by Romania. In particular, the President of Moldova Maia Sandu adheres to such views, who declared her support for a hypothetical referendum on the "reunification" of the two states.

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5 November 2021 18: 41

What an interesting proposal. How does official Chisinau react to this?
Let's wait a bit, look at this circus, perhaps suddenly remember that Ukrainian is a dialect of Russian and no Ukraine stood here. And what? The precedent here it is, next to it.
1. Tatyana
  
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  6 November 2021 14: 23
  
  The Secretary of State of the Romanian Foreign Ministry Dan Neculaescu, during a meeting with the Deputy Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Igor Zhovka on Friday, November 5, demanded that Kiev do not officially recognize such an element of Moldovan identity as language.
  
  It seems that Romania as a part of NATO, the EU, together with the Pentagon / US have decided so far LEGALLY - according to the Overton windows - to end the recognition of the existence of the Moldovan people as such. The existence of the Moldovan people is now recognized only by Ukraine and Russia.
  And if there is no Moldovan people, then according to plans of Washington, Pentagon and NATO countries there should not be R.Moldova herself.
  This is the secret essence and purpose of expressing it.
  
  It is also noteworthy that the so-called NATO Days and a similar statement were made the next day, November 5.11.2021, XNUMX, after an online conference on "Perspectives for partnership and security through cooperation with NATO for the period up to 2030", which took place on November 4, in Chisinau.
  
  Consultations between the Moldovan Defense Ministry leadership and NATO representatives took place in the Moldovan capital.
  The meeting was attended by:
  from R.M. Valery Mizha, State Secretary of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Moldova;
  from NATO
  - Head of the Eastern Partnership Directorate, NATO Political Affairs and Security Policy Division, Tanya Hartman (NATO)
  Acting Head of the NATO Liaison Office in Chisinau, Barbora Paklikova (NATO).
  
  The interlocutors discussed cooperation between the National Army of Moldova and NATO within the framework of the Defense Capacity Building Initiative (DCBI) and the Moldova-NATO Individual Action Plan (IPAP).
  
  During the conference, NATO Deputy Secretary General Mircea Joana said that "NATO needs a stable and secure Moldova, free from" Russian pressure and aggressive rhetoric. "
  It is known that on September 26, a US Air Force plane delivered to Chisinau a consignment of military equipment worth $ 5 million, intended for the modernization of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Moldova.
  And also Senator Jin Shahin independent countries like R.M. "Must continue to confront the harmful activities of Russia, intensifying the necessary democratic reforms." and that “aggressive Russia's actions require a more COORDINATED action by NATO. "
  
  https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/11/04/nato-ukreplyaet-voennyy-potencial-moldavii-protiv-rossii-mircha-dzhoane
NikolayN

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5 November 2021 19: 55

Begins! No Moldovans? It will be great if Ukraine recognizes this. Unlike Ukraine, which really did not exist until the 20th century, Moldova (Moldavian principality) is one of the most ancient states.
Let's see how these weather vanes will twist.
1. Miffer
  
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  6 November 2021 16: 52
  
  demanded that Kiev at the official level not recognize such an element of identity of Moldovans, like a language.
  
  So far, it is said that there is no Moldovan language, not Moldovans. This time.
  
  Well, if the middle of the 14th century AD is "one of the most ancient states", then all these Sumerians, Assyrians and Babylonians are quietly and nervously lighting cigarettes. These are two.
  1. NikolayN
    
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    28 December 2021 21: 09
    
    You are probably wrong. When the Moldovans spoke Moldovan, Romania and Romanians did not exist yet.
boriz

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5 November 2021 23: 52

No Romania in this territory before 1878. did not exist. There was a principality of Wallachia. In ancient times, the literary and diplomatic language was Slavic. Then someone did a good job on it, but a lot of everyday indigenous words are Slavic.

In the language of the Wallachian peasant, the words nevasta (wife), obada (rim), obor (cattle corral), evţa (sheep), opinca (peasant shoes), osie (axle), otava (new grass after mowing), parlog (unplowed land ), parvac (swarm of bees that swarms for the first time), plaz (snake at the plow), a se plodi (to breed), pleava (full), polog (hay mowed), prag (threshold), prepeliţa (quail), prost (common, stupid), prostac (fool), puhav (raised dough), rasad (seedlings), razor (border), roişte (swarm of bees), sanie (sleigh), situ (sieve) and many others are not borrowed

Faith is still Orthodox. Representatives of the highest aristocracy until the middle of the 20th century were called boyars... When Soviet propaganda in the 20s and 30s wanted to stigmatize hostile Romania more severely, they said: "Boyar Romania". We did not have boyars after Peter ...
Romania was collected (by the Anglo-Saxons) around Wallachia piece by piece from other countries. Transylvania (Hungary), Southern Dobrudzha (Bulgaria, without which Romania would have no access to the sea) and even little things.
Now it has become more difficult to hang noodles on the ears of the peoples. DNA genealogy appeared.
The native speakers of Slavic languages are peoples with haplogroup R1a (Aryan, Slavic, Russian) and I2a (South Slavs).
Latin-based native speaker - R1b.

And now, we look at Romania and its closest neighbors:

Romania R1b - 16%, R1а - 18%, I2а - 26%
Moldova R1b - 14%, R1a - 20%, I2a - 30%
Bulgaria R1b - 10,5%, R1a - 17%, I2a - 19,5%
Serbia R1b - 7%, R1а - 15%, I2а - 36%

We see that the ratio of Slavic and Romanesque haplogroups is similar. Romance languages and to Moldova and Romania, someone artificially brought.
Especially interesting is the fact that the territory of Romania has never been here. But on many old maps Romania is nearby. South of Bulgaria, where the European part of Turkey is now. Around Istanbul (Constantinople). But even there there is no Romance language.
So, this case smells very rotten. And I don't even know what Romanians have more, arrogance or stupidity. It is enough to raise the old cards (which are the sea) and everything will be revealed. Well, the data on genetics.
1. Miffer
  
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  7 November 2021 15: 14
  
  No Romania in this territory before 1878. did not exist.
  
  In that glorious year, all the more, there was no Kaliningrad region and even a country called the "Russian Federation".
  
  In ancient times, the literary and diplomatic language was Slavic.
  
  Here you need to specifically rassTsTso, what do you mean by "antiquity". They write that in ancient times there was a sea bottom, so now the area is very hilly there.
  
  Then someone did a good job on it, but a lot of everyday root words are Slavic.
  
  This can be said about the everyday Moldovan language; in the literary Romanian language, words of Slavic origin are almost absent.
  
  Faith is still Orthodox.
  
  The Orthodox faith among both Moldovans and Romanians. Only the metropolises are different. And the rituals there are somewhat different. Romanians celebrate Christmas on December 24, Moldovans on January 8.
  
  Romania was collected (by the Anglo-Saxons) around Wallachia piece by piece from other countries.
  
  The ancient Slavs called the Varangians headed by Rurik to reign, since the "autochthonous" rule was out of the ordinary) (Renov.
  
  We will not touch DNA genealogy at all, because it smells like pseudoscience.
  
  Romance languages and to Moldova and Romania, someone artificially brought.
  
  And again, nonsense. In history (ethnography, anthropology), I have not seen such a scientific term "artificially drag". I can put it this way that in the second half of the 17th century, different people (Bohdan Khmelnitsky, Ataman Ermak and many others) artificially dragged to Muscovy what today we call Ukraine, the Urals and Siberia.
  
  Especially interesting is the fact that the territory of Romania has never been here.
  
  We can say that on the "old maps" of the Urals and Siberia, the word Russia does not appear at all until the second half of the 17th century, and even in much later times. This is an inexplicable scientific fact, but it really is.
  1. boriz
    
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    7 November 2021 16: 20
    
    In that glorious year, all the more, there was no Kaliningrad region and even a country called the "Russian Federation".
    
    There was a Russia called the Russian Empire. And in 1758. By the troops of the Empire Konigsberg was occupied, calmly for 3 years, then, paying taxes to the imperial treasury and not thinking about leaving the empire. And in 1760. Berlin was occupied.
    The Germans, Peter III and Catherine I, surrendered what they had conquered. And it was necessary not to surrender what they took, but to take Schleswig-Holstein, which was the hereditary possession of Peter III.
    So, not only Kaliningrad is ours by right, but also Berlin, which in ancient times was a Slavic territory.
    
    We can say that on the "old maps" of the Urals and Siberia, the word Russia does not appear at all until the second half of the 17th century, and even in much later times.
    
    It is important that Russia was in its place and expanded at the expense of those who attacked it, taking people into slavery.
    And what is now Romania can still be called Wallachia, but the name Romania is clearly far-fetched.
    
    in the second half of the 17th century, various people (Bohdan Khmelnitsky, Ataman Ermak and many others) artificially brought to Muscovy what we now call Ukraine, the Urals and Siberia.
    
    I'm sorry to upset you, but on the maps of that time there was neither the Urals, nor Siberia, nor Ukraine.
    In the place of present-day Ukraine, there were people who considered themselves Russians. They asked to go to Russia - they were accepted. But not immediately. The Poles called the "Ukrainian" and "Belarusian" nobles the Russian gentry.
    
    Here you need to specifically rassTsTso, what do you mean by "antiquity". They write that in ancient times there was a sea bottom, so now the area is very hilly there.
    
    They figured out without you a long time ago. Here, for starters: http://macedonia.kroraina.com/italev/sb/sb_3.htm#83_4
    
    We will not touch DNA genealogy at all, because it smells like pseudoscience.
    
    Perhaps you are lighting the apartment with a torch? DNA genealogy has long been a full-fledged science, an accurate and objective tool for elucidating the movements of peoples in different periods of history.
    Perhaps you still think of the Germans as Aryans? So no, the descendants of the Aryans are precisely the Slavic peoples, the Scythians (and their descendants, to varying degrees, the Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Uzbeks), the higher castes of India, the elite of the Arab clans, the Levites among the Jews, etc. People with haplogroup R1a.
    
    This can be said about the everyday Moldovan language; in the literary Romanian language, words of Slavic origin are almost absent.
    
    That's exactly what I wrote: cleaned up. Read the source at the link. Until the 15th century, there were no written monuments in the Romance language at all in Wallachia.
    
    In history (ethnography, anthropology), I have not seen such a scientific term "artificially drag".
    
    This is my term. And you have not met a lot of things in this life.
    1. Miffer
      
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      7 November 2021 16: 39
      
      The main thing is not to shake your cheeks like that. And it is very advisable for you not to splash saliva.
      I had more talented teachers than you, so all your thinking I, excuse me, ...
      
      ... in Romance ...
      
      And I will add the "Romance language" to your anamnesis. "Artificially drag" - I have already recorded there.
      1. boriz
        
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        7 November 2021 16: 50
        
        Blown away. Well, okay.
        
        Miffer
        
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        7 November 2021 17: 22
        
        You are clearly not a historian. At best, they finished in 1971. pedagogical institute or military school. And if a historian, then he is extremely illiterate.
        
        I graduated from the history department of the best university in the USSR, so I just got tired of arguing with a semi-literate pensioner about history.
        
        PS It was not me who was blown away. It is you who have merged with your semi-literate breg.
        
        isofat
        
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        7 November 2021 18: 03
        
        Miffer, you very skillfully disguise your education!
    2. boriz
      
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      7 November 2021 17: 29
      
      The Germans, Peter III and Catherine I, surrendered what they had conquered.
      
      Catherine II, of course.
  2. Ulysses
    
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    7 November 2021 20: 05
    
    No Romania in this territory before 1878. did not exist.
    
    In that glorious year, all the more, there was no Kaliningrad region and even a country called the "Russian Federation".
    
    From 1758 to 1762, Königsberg was under the jurisdiction of the Russian Empire.
    
    Long before the appearance of "romania" ..
Jacques sekavar

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6 November 2021 10: 28

Romans and Moldavians are one people speaking the same language.
If Ukraine recognizes this, reunification will take place, and then there will be claims to the western coastal part of the Odessa region. The issue of Transnistria will have to be resolved by a triumvirate from the Russian Federation-Romans-Ukraine.
1. Igor Berg
  
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  7 November 2021 09: 15
  
  So the Finns and the Hungarians are one people! What will we do? Reuniting?
  1. Miffer
    
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    7 November 2021 14: 29
    
    Not. First you need to try to bring the Germans to the Austrians :))
2. Miffer
  
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  7 November 2021 14: 42
  
  Romans and Moldavians are one people speaking the same language.
  
  In short, this is nonsense.
alexey alexeyev_2

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7 November 2021 07: 06

Durkains survived. What kind of European lice requires something.
1. Miffer
  
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  7 November 2021 14: 39
  
  Some kind of European lice ...
  
  Get out!
  
  Romania - GDP • Per capita $12.
  Russia - GDP • Per capita $11.
  
  You're even dirtier than that lice.
  1. isofat
    
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    7 November 2021 16: 16
    
    Quote: Miffer
    You're even dirtier than that lice.
    
    Miffer! Average world GDP per capita 10 (US $) in 926.
    
    For some reason, it seems to me that Alexei was talking about a completely different "lice", which is not measured by GDP.
    
    PS Let's keep silent about Ukraine's place in this rating. We are one people.
    1. Miffer
      
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      7 November 2021 16: 46
      
      Ale we are not talking about Ukraine and not about the average world income per capita.
      I compared the GDP of Russia and Romania (European lice). And it turned out that Russia is even lousy.
      
      For some reason it seems to me ...
      
      With hallucinations - you to a specialized doctor.
      1. isofat
        
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        7 November 2021 17: 27
        
        Quote: Miffer
        ... this is not about Ukraine ...
        
        Sorry, I again upset you with something, but let me remind you of the name of the article:
        
        - Romania demanded from Ukraine not recognize the identity of Moldovans.
        
        Do you understand? From Ukraine! Some kind of Romania, commensurate in size with a louse, demands something from our Ukraine.
        
        Got it, no?
  2. alexey alexeyev_2
    
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    7 November 2021 17: 03
    
    I am lost ... a mediocre nation. Faced It is necessary to go down like this. Having oil, they readily took a pose. In Germany, they are engaged in begging and petty theft. Desperate people are dirty. Even our Russian Gypsies are much cleaner. And GDP is not an indicator
    1. isofat
      
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      7 November 2021 17: 39
      
      You are not fair to the gypsies.
Rocj

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7 November 2021 17: 23
How do Moldovans really differ from Romanians?
Romanians and Moldovans are two seemingly very, very close people. In Europe, it is believed that in fact it is one people, their culture, traditions, customs are so similar. And even the Moldovan language does not seem to exist - Romanian has been declared the official language of Moldova since the early 1990s.

But still, why are Romanians and Moldovans not one people in one country, are there any significant differences between the two ethnic groups?
Actually there is. The Ethnobaza channel tells.
So, the Romanians are the descendants of the Dacians conquered by the Roman emperor Trajan and romanized in the II-IV centuries. Tribes of a special Indo-European language, related to the extinct Illyrians and Thracians, possibly to the modern Albanians.
A special contribution to the formation of the Romanian language (Limba română) was made later by the coming of the Germans (Goths), Turks and Slavs. Up to 30-40% of the entire Romanian lexicon is precisely Slavic borrowings. Război (war), bolnav (sick), bogat (rich) and even da (yes!) - all these Romanian words came from Slavic speech.

But the Moldovans, according to one version, are not only the descendants of the Romanized Dacians, but the Slavs, heavily Romanized back in the Middle Ages. The streets and the Tivertsy, after the fall of Kievan Rus under the Mongol blow, fell into the orbit of a strong Hungarian-Vlach influence.

By the way, the territory of present-day Moldavia has never been part of the Roman Empire itself - the possessions of the Romans did not come out of the far Danube.
According to an old beautiful legend, Vlach shepherds in the XIV century came to the lands of the Slavs, devastated by the Tatar raid. And, in their own way, having agreed with the surviving locals, they began to gradually populate the territories of the Tivertsy and Uliches, began to actively mix with them.

It is curious that Moldova in the Middle Ages was in itself a pretty cool state, with its own army and rulers-rulers. And even the non-acidic Ottoman Turks fought back.

Moldavia was a large independent state back in the Middle Ages
Romanian and Moldavian languages differed in writing for a long time - Romanians switched from Cyrillic to Latin as early as the 1812th century. But the Moldovans, who after 1990 turned out to be the Bessarabian province of the Russian Empire, remained in the Cyrillic script right up to the beginning of the XNUMXs. In Pridnestrovie, they still use the Cyrillic script when writing in the language that is called Moldavian here.
Bessarabian province.

The Moldavian language (or the Moldavian version of Romanian), by the way, due to the 200-year stay of Moldova as part of Russia, is even richer in Slavic, more precisely, Ukrainian and Russian, borrowings. Including in the field of abusive vocabulary.

Among the characteristic differences in the language, one can mention, for example, “barabuli” (potato) among Moldovans - “cartofi” in Romanian. Or “harbuz” (watermelon) for Moldovans - “pepene” for Romanians. Well, “păpușoi” (corn) is “porumb” in Romanians. Some tracings from Russian in Moldovan - “din păcate” (This is a pity) in Romanian and “cu părere de rău” (unfortunately) for Moldovans. Both languages have different accent
The separate existence for two centuries has had a fairly large impact on the mentality of Moldovans and Romanians. Moldovans are much closer to the Slavs - Russians, Ukrainians. They are considered more open and less religious guys. Conservative in tradition, believers Romanians will find a common language much better with the Balkan peoples - Bulgarians, Serbs, Hungarians.

There are some differences in the appearance of both ethnic groups from each other. For example, among Moldovans there are much more people with light eyes and hair than among Romanians - a stronger Slavic influence has affected. And among the Romanians - Turkic, Gypsy, Hungarian.

In general, Moldovans and Romanians, no matter how hard their current rulers, as well as unionists (supporters of the merger of Romania and Moldavia), are quite different peoples. Let the speakers seem to be in the same language. Romanians and Moldovans will hardly ever become one nation of a single state in the foreseeable future.
Ancient world map.

Khotyn fortress and Pan Moldovan with a flag
1. Jacques sekavar
  
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  8 November 2021 10: 45
  
  Romanians and Moldovans are unlikely to ever become one nation of a single state in the foreseeable future.
  
  There is not a single state education of a single nation in the world, as evidenced by the presence of local dialects and accents within one language, not to mention other differences.
  Romania is a member of the EU, and Moldova is striving. Unification is mutually beneficial and therefore inevitable. It's a question of time.
  The position of the “democrats” on the issue of the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic is obvious:
  1. Withdrawal of Russian peacekeeping forces
  2. Association of Moldova with the EU
  3. Referendum and division - Moldova to Romania, and PMR to Ukraine.