How Russia can solve the Ukrainian problem once and for all


A few days ago, the Armed Forces of Ukraine first used the Bayraktar-type attack UAVs purchased from Turkey in the Donbas. The drone successfully hit a target at militia positions. Earlier, in the domestic media and the blogosphere, there was a lot of speculation about how Russia would respond if Turkish drones were used by Ukraine against the DPR and LPR for their intended purpose. So far, nothing terrifying has happened, which may prompt Kiev to think about the possibility of further escalation.


In fact, the problem, of course, is not in Bayraktars. It is enough to install a Buk air defense missile system on Donbass, and soon there will be no drones left in the sky over eastern Ukraine. UAVs are effective only against a technically weaker enemy that does not have a normal air defense system. The real danger to the proclaimed DPR and LPR is only the Ukrainian ground army, and that should not be treated with a hat.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine have concentrated in Donbass an almost 90-strong group with 450 tanks, about 2500 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, 1050 pieces of cannon artillery and mortars, 250 MLRS "Verba" and "Alder" (analogs of our "Grad" and "Smerch"), as well as 5 OTRK "Tochka-U". This is a very serious force that can crush the militia with at least combined firepower and numbers, if it is left without Russian support. Today, the Ukrainian army is far from what it was in 2014-2015, so it is no longer worth expecting that it will again start stupidly falling into the "boilers". Combat experience has appeared, albeit negative, but for one beaten two unbeaten are given, and now there are foreign military advisers. In other words, there is no need to hope for an easy walk. The only hope of Donetsk and Lugansk is on Russia, but everything will depend on the format in which the Kremlin decides to support Donbass, and how far it is ready to go. And this is an extremely controversial question.

On the one hand, today it is Kiev that is most interested in provoking Moscow to directly intervene in the military conflict in Donbass. Ukraine is sinking deeper and deeper into the energy and economic a crisis. The remnants of the Nezalezhnaya industry will almost certainly not survive this winter. Many ordinary Ukrainians can be left without work in cold apartments. At the same time, the media incite them with stories about the offshore accounts of the "servant of the people" of President Volodymyr Zelensky. There is a fertile ground for mass social protests and spontaneous demonstrations. Plus, let's not forget that Nord Stream 2 has already been completed and is awaiting certification. If Gazprom launches gas through it bypassing Ukraine, paying transit fees, then Kiev will simply physically have nowhere to take gas from for the so-called “reverse”.

All these colossal problems must be solved somehow. If nothing can be done about the economy and industry, then you can try to stop Nord Stream 2, taking advantage of the provisions of the deal concluded between Germany and the United States. According to them, if Russia shows aggression against Ukraine, Berlin undertakes to stop buying Russian gas through the bypass pipeline. In this context, the military intervention of the RF Armed Forces in the armed conflict in Donbass can be presented as “aggression”. If the Armed Forces of Ukraine launch a large-scale offensive, the militia will not be able to stop it on their own. For Kiev, this means some pluses.

At first, it will be possible to shift the attention of the disaffected public to an external enemy in the person of Russia.

Secondly, during the offensive, Ukraine will certainly be able to occupy new territories, taking them away from the DPR and LPR, which President Zelensky will write down in his achievements.

Thirdlyif Russia can be forced to intervene directly, this could create problems for Nord Stream 2.
In this regard, the likelihood that Nezalezhnaya will do something this winter is very high. Otherwise, its own internal stability becomes questionable.

On the other hand, everything will depend on the degree of adequacy and foresight of the Russian authorities when making decisions. By and large, the Kremlin has only three options for retaliatory actions.

The first one is the stupidest one: to allow the militia to independently fight off a large-scale offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, helping the "vacationers" and weapons in doses. This is almost guaranteed to mean the loss of significant territories of the DPR and LPR, as well as large losses, both human and image.

The second option is slightly more suitable. Since over 600 thousand Russian citizens currently live in the Donbass, the RF Ministry of Defense can send troops directly, driving the Armed Forces back outside the DPR and LPR. This is the so-called "Ossetian scenario". So the Kremlin will add to itself political points, defending the Russians, but at the same time it will almost certainly lose with Nord Stream 2 for the reasons indicated above. For Kiev, a military defeat will result in a partial victory in the energy sector. It turns out that scenarios with dosed intervention will always lead to the defeat of Russia. An alternative may be the option of total intervention.

The third option assumes, in response to the large-scale offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Donbas, a large-scale counteroffensive by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. But not in the East of Ukraine, but directly to Kiev. Why even get bogged down in positional battles in the Donbass, grinding thousands of lives of Ukrainians and Russians? To move forward a few tens of kilometers and recapture some next village? What for? Then to agree on their return to Ukraine within the framework of the "Minsk Agreements"? Well, isn't it nonsense, if you think about it?

The problem of Donbass and Crimea is solved only in Kiev through its surrender, the signing of a peace treaty on the terms of the winner and recognition of the new status of Crimea and the DPR with the LPR. This does not require many years of useless war in the Donbass, but it is necessary to resolve the issue with "head". Right now, a situation has developed in Europe that it simply cannot afford to refuse purchases of Russian gas. In response to the aggression of the Armed Forces of Ukraine against Donbass, where hundreds of thousands of our citizens live, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can conduct a counteroffensive against the Ukrainian capital from the northeast, possibly even from the territory of Belarus, while the Armed Forces of Ukraine are linked by battles with the DPR and LPR.

The surrender of Independent will solve a lot of problems: to achieve recognition by Kiev of the new status of Crimea and Donbass, to end the long-term bloody conflict in the east, to demobilize most of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to expel foreign military bases under construction from the territory of Ukraine, to restore normal trade and militarytechnical cooperation, take control of the gas transportation system, stop the systemic Russophobic brainwashing of the younger generation, etc. All this can and should be done. Note that everyone in the United States understands this very well. For example, the American publication Politico, with concern, published satellite images that significantly show the deployment of the Russian "elite 1st Guards Tank Army", and not somewhere, but in the Smolensk region, which borders Belarus, but it does not have a common border with Ukraine.

In other words, this is the force that can be used not against the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbas, but to strike at the very heart of the enemy. Now it's only up to the Kremlin.
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 2 November 2021 12: 41
    +1
    For some reason, I think that there will be no full-scale hostilities this winter, none of the three options.
    In any case, in the near future.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 November 2021 12: 49
      0
      This means that you are provided with complete and reliable information for this. Unlike us mere mortals
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 2 November 2021 16: 58
        0
        This means that you are provided with complete and reliable information for this. Unlike us mere mortals

        I have no more information than yours. Open sources hi
      2. bobba94 Offline bobba94
        bobba94 (Vladimir) 3 November 2021 13: 05
        -1
        Everything should smolder ... No one should win or die, you can't put a final point in this whole story ... everything should smolder ... This is beneficial for both the States and Russia ...
    2. savage1976 Offline savage1976
      savage1976 2 November 2021 13: 55
      +2
      I agree with you. They must devour themselves and there is no need to lose Russian soldiers to make the homes of Ukrainian non-brothers warm.
  2. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 2 November 2021 14: 03
    -7
    - Yes, there are no "options" here ... - everything has long been here - "without options" ...

    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation can send troops directly, driving the Armed Forces back outside the DPR and LPR. This is the so-called "Ossetian scenario".

    - What kind of "Ossetian scenario" is this ??? - We have already passed it ... - And no "Russian vacationers" will be able to do anything there ... - and there is no need to rely on them ...
    - The Ukrainian army today is sufficiently prepared and combat-ready, and in order to call it to order, a regular Russian army is needed ...
    - But the Russian army will not dare to use its power even "locally" ...
    - So the Russian army will "fight locally" with the Armed Forces of Ukraine only "on equal terms" and only "in response" ...
    - Ie. - that struck the APU with an artillery strike ... - and only then ... - "in response" and the Russian army will strike at suppressing the positions of the APU ...
    - The APU will deliver a missile strike with operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK) ... "Tochka-U" and so on ... - and only then - in response, Russian units will deliver similar retaliatory strikes ...
    - The APU will carry out tank attacks ... - and the Russian troops will use armored vehicles ...
    - And Russian troops will never use preemptive strikes against the Armed Forces of Ukraine - but only "in response"; and will never inflict massive air strikes on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...
    - And no operational invasion of the territory of Ukraine ... - more than 5-10 km ...
    - And combat losses on both sides - should also be the same ... - and only the Armed Forces can have an "advantage" ...
    - And no "capture of Kiev" - this is generally complete nonsense ...
    - That's the only way Russia will be allowed to fight against the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... - and only this way ...
    - And if things are different ... - then Ukraine will instantly be admitted to NATO (and Georgia by a trailer) ... - Yes, as if - also Azerbaijan and brotherly Serbia would not be lured into NATO ...
    - By the way ... - Russia has not been able to achieve anything "asserted" for all 7 years in the confrontation with Ukraine ... - but just the opposite - it involuntarily "strengthened" the military power and political positions of Ukraine ...
    - And if such a military conflict with the Armed Forces of Ukraine takes place; then Russia should not count on the support of Belarus ... - Lukashenko will "turn inside out", but will remain on the sidelines ... - Our "faithful partner" and "close friend and brother" will not support Russia either ... - China ...
    - And this military conflict will end in vain for Russia, and "illusory-victorious" - for Ukraine ...
    - And then Russia will be accused of aggression by the "world community"; and even impose further sanctions to "restore and compensate for all losses" "caused to Ukraine" ...
    - No, the "world community" will not give up Russian gas (who will refuse) ... - but it will apply another "collective measures" to Russia ... - Well, it will not reach the "Hague" (court) --- but "materially" everything will look very serious ...
    - But for Zelensky everything will be exactly the opposite ... - he will be "declared a hero" ... - saved the world (Europe) from Russia's aggression ... - And then the "Westerners" will try to "bungle" him and the Nobel Prize ...
    1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
      sH, arK 2 November 2021 15: 01
      -3
      In part, you are right ... Of course, there will be no NATO, in case of war, there will be no cannon shot there ... All problems will come later, after the "successful" completion of the DB.

      Undoubtedly, with the official entry of the RF Armed Forces into hostilities, with the widespread use of aviation, navy, with the total closure of the skies of DUrkaina and its ports (all ships will be declared legitimate targets after the time "H"), it will be "broken" quickly. The centers of resistance will still have to be finished for a long time, but in general, everything will be decided in a short time.

      The question is about the consequences. The fact that all this khokhlomeroznost will inflict tremendous damage on its own country, blowing up all the stations of the GTS, oil storage facilities, state district power stations, thermal power plants, dams of hydroelectric power plants, possibly even nuclear power plants, will bring huge problems of a humanitarian nature. We will be blamed for everything.

      At the same time, contain 30-35 million foreign citizens with brainwashed, albeit partially, brain remnants - DO WE NEED IT?
      1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 2 November 2021 15: 36
        -5
        At the same time, contain 30-35 million foreign citizens with brainwashed, albeit partially, brain remnants - DO WE NEED IT?

        - This is the most terrible thing ... - Practically in Ukraine there is already a completely different people ...
        - And the Ukrainian youth ... is such a society that cannot be altered anymore - it is absolutely "stubborn" (in the absolute majority) and negatively disposed towards Russia - a very active biomass, which is ready for absolutely anything ... - And this is millions of young people (of both sexes) ... - And they are absolutely ready for any "insurgent act"
        ... - And all these Muslim radicals (with their terrorist attacks), in comparison with them, will seem just children ... - Yes, these are the very ones who can "bang" (blow up) GTS stations, oil storages, state district power stations, thermal power plants, dams of hydroelectric power stations ... - and even nuclear power plants ... - And not only on the territory of Ukraine ... - but also in Russia ... - And they will blow up ... - all the same - bridges, hydroelectric power plants, gas pipelines, etc. .. - Who will stop them ...
        - In general ... - when Ukraine made an "explosion" (the Dnieper canal was blocked up) and water stopped flowing to Crimea ... - then no one ... - absolutely no one in the whole world even turned his ear ... - no " green ", not" world humanists ", nor other" fighters for the ecological world state "... - And in Ukraine itself - so everyone - just jumped for joy ... - they say ... -" This is how Muscovites should. " .. - not a single public organization in Ukraine came out with a protest against such barbarism ... - Well, and Russia "cried, moaned" ... - and calmed down ...
        - Honestly ... - I am simply amazed - as many argue here ... - "We will take Kiev, we will spread them in a week" and so on ... - Yes, everything is not so simple ... - That's what it means to feel sorry for the enemy and " in time "not to finish him off when it had to be done ...
  3. smersh chek Offline smersh chek
    smersh chek (smersh chek) 2 November 2021 16: 01
    +2
    only the cowardly Bandera Trolls in all Ross media will vang the Ross Army big losses)) trying to calm themselves down and intimidate the Russians)) in fact, the Russian Little Russians of Kiev and other Russian cities of Little Russia will greet the Russian Army with flowers, as liberators, the drunks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will immediately surrender, after the first attacks on command posts and air defense, the small Bandera will put the Nazis in their pants and will hitchhike to Poland, to their masters))
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 3 November 2021 08: 11
      -1
      Well, now it is clear what kind of "smerchev" you are.
      I hope you will be in the forefront, to receive flowers?
  4. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 2 November 2021 16: 50
    -2
    And next to the article: "Kiev has not confirmed the data of the West on the build-up of Russian troops on the eastern border."

    There have already been many such articles: forward, to Kiev, regardless of the consequences.
    Or: Let's repeat, the LPR tanks will throw ukrov into the sea ...
    And news: Kiev is about to sweep away the LPNR

    Monthly.

    The story of wolves and Tolstoy's shepherd boy is eternal.
  5. Vlad Petrov Offline Vlad Petrov
    Vlad Petrov (Vladimir) 2 November 2021 17: 13
    +4
    No matter how strong the Armed Forces of Ukraine are, the Banderites are ready to die under the Russian art and the Aerospace Forces, which can solve the issue of the Armed Forces' aggression against Donbass, and there is no Dill in Dill without a ground offensive. ... And there will never be any offensive by Ukraine on Donbass. Russia should resolve the issue with Ukraine primarily by means of an economic blockade and termination of gas transit. Should integrate the economy of Donbass into Russia.
    1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 3 November 2021 06: 35
      -6
      No matter how strong the Armed Forces of Ukraine are, the Banderites are ready to die under the Russian art and the Aerospace Forces, which can solve the issue of the Armed Forces' aggression against Donbass, and there is no Dill in Dill without a ground offensive. ... And there will never be any offensive by Ukraine on Donbass.

      - Personally, I - clearly and clearly wrote that ... that ... that there will be no offensive of the Armed Forces as such ... - Everything will come down to fierce shootings with the use of "approximately the same weapon power" ... - And the Americans at the same time they will test their "military innovations" delivered to the Armed Forces ... - And no one will allow Russia to cover the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with hurricane-and-artillery fire; while using modern firing systems, satellite communications and massive strikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces ... - Just try to allow Russia to do this ... - the whole world will simply "stand on its hind legs" ... - Russia will be immediately accused of "using excessive force "and in the" genocide of the people of the neighboring state "...
      - How much has Russia "fought" in Syria for all the whole 7 years against some gangs fighting with small arms, portable mortars, weak artillery; "homemade rockets" and second-hand "toyot" with machine guns ??? - In Syria, only the sands have been conquered ... - and everything that remains "valuable", then ... - and remained at the "disposal" of the Americans and the Turks ... - Yes, huge sandy spaces in Syria are "owned" by Assad's ATS; which is patronized by the Russian military ... - And "further" ... - to the Syrian oil and gas fields - and then Russia "no one will let" ... - - And Russia does not dare to use any military "modern means" .. - So Russia can sometimes deliver one-time retaliatory strikes with very insignificant aerial forces (and no massive air strikes at the same time) ... - And always "in response" - and "only in response" Russian aerospace forces inflict "one-off strikes" on "deserted barmaley "...
      - And in Ukraine for Russia ... - and at all ... - everything will be 1000 times more problematic ...
      - So the Banderites of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will fight the Russian army "only on equal terms" ... - Moreover, the Ukrainian "new youth" (which I personally wrote about in the previous commentary) ... - will simply voluntarily begin to join the ranks of the Armed Forces ... - And what is Russia to fight for ??? - This is only if there is a powerful one-time military operation of coercion ... - How can you do this without modern powerful "modern military means" that will not allow Russia to use ??? - That's all and will drag on ... - there will be huge losses ... - and everything for Russia may not turn out in the best way ... - And Russia can really lose ...
      - I am simply amazed at the childish "cheersy" mood of "some of the people here" ...
  6. Terry18 Offline Terry18
    Terry18 2 November 2021 17: 46
    -1
    "Buk" in Karabakh did not help Armenia in the fight against "Bayraktars"
  7. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 2 November 2021 18: 14
    -12
    The naive dreamer Marzhetsky calls for an offensive on Kiev, predicts a lightning victory of the Russian army over the Armed Forces of Ukraine with little blood and the signing of a complete unconditional surrender - then a continuous "Russian world", friendship-chewing gum and cowardly tails in Washington and Brussels. I remember that there was such an outstanding commander in Russia - Pasha-Mercedes, who at one time was going to put things in order in Chechnya with the forces of one airborne regiment in a few days, what and how there was further known to everyone. And Ukraine is not Chechnya for you, and in the event of direct aggression from Russia, everything will be much more serious ...
    And "Bayraktars" is just the beginning. hi
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 3 November 2021 02: 47
      +3
      And Ukraine is not Chechnya for you, and in the event of direct aggression from Russia, everything will be much more serious ...
      And "Bayraktars" is just the beginning. hi

      Aggression is what Israel allows itself in relation to neighboring states, and Russia only protects the Russian-speaking population on historically Russian soil and at any time is ready to use all means for this, including military ones, and no Bayraktars or other weapons to Ukraine will not help, the fate of Bandera will be the same as that of their fathers and grandfathers during the Second World War, to die in a ditch. It's just that our Supreme Commander-in-Chief is very kind, sensitive and patient and you shouldn't take it as a weakness. Only in one thing you are right, in Brussels and Washington will cowardly hold their tail, dying for ragouli is an unaffordable luxury for them hi
    2. Gosha Smirnov Offline Gosha Smirnov
      Gosha Smirnov (Smirnov) 3 November 2021 05: 11
      +1
      Shaw is serious, and from Israel it is still better to see how and what will happen in Ukraine and how powerfully they will resist the RF Armed Forces? Only now, even in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, among the mass of my former colleagues, who are already in decent ranks, for the most part I did not hear bravura ala- no, there are enough idiots who want to shoot in it, but in recent years there are an order of magnitude less than in 14-15, and in the OOS zone (former ATO) about 90% are "workers", that is ... In the overwhelming majority, they are not held in civilian life, the Selyuk, who stupidly earn on a sluggish war under a contract, and they do not need active OBDs at all. I just want to note that there are not so many combat-ready units, but there are. And the technology has become better. But also in the so-called. buildings of the LDNR have also improved a lot over the years. No one is talking about a "walk", but you can not count on your fantasies about the battles of Stalingrad and Kursk for sure.
      And the funny thing is that a wunderfle like Bayraktar is salivated exclusively by such military specialists as President Zelensky himself, who has never served with propagandists like Bindyuzhnik. a little in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and everything that follows, and secondly, there are already enough counteraction systems against them. And in the country itself, the attitude towards the Maidan and already the Zelebobiks is very confidently deteriorating and there are fewer and fewer people who want to protect them.
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 3 November 2021 17: 52
        -7
        From Israel, Gosh, you can see much better. Although people are smart and in Russia understand that the war with Ukraine will turn into a catastrophe. The only trouble is that these people are not enough ...
        1. Gosha Smirnov Offline Gosha Smirnov
          Gosha Smirnov (Smirnov) 4 November 2021 01: 21
          +2
          Mr. propagandist from the Promised Land! Hike, your knowledge of the situation in Ukraine and in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in particular is the same circumcised as ... And smart people EVERYWHERE are for your information and understand what and where can turn out. living in Ukraine, you should not tell what you see better in Israel from afar, something that for some reason, and in your opinion, seems to me worse, although closer. intentionally.
    3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 3 November 2021 08: 09
      +2
      Ooty, what a formidable Jewish-Ukrainian-Israeli-American propagandist
      You better be afraid that an Iranian missile does not fly into your cottage 500 meters from the sea
      1. Gosha Smirnov Offline Gosha Smirnov
        Gosha Smirnov (Smirnov) 3 November 2021 13: 04
        +2
        Jews have their own wunderfaffle - the Iron Dome. They believe that since self-made Qasams are relatively effective in knocking down, which for the most part do not pose any threat in themselves, then they just as easily knock Iranian Shahab. , then the Jews would not bomb the pro-Iranian forces in Syria so violently and would not be afraid of their missiles.
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 3 November 2021 17: 53
          -5
          Quote: Gosha Smirnov
          Jews have their own wunderfaffle - the Iron Dome.

          The Jews have a lot of their own. bully
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 3 November 2021 18: 11
            +3
            And the stranger is even more! laughing
      2. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 3 November 2021 17: 45
        -5
        My cottage is on the slope of Mount Carmel, more than 500m away. from the sea - near the coast there is high humidity, it is much more pleasant to live at some distance. And the Iranian rocket will not fly to me - her flying machine has long and completely broken down, and the Persians are not completely crazy, they understand what awaits them in response, because all that they are capable of is just a cowardly yapping.
        1. Gosha Smirnov Offline Gosha Smirnov
          Gosha Smirnov (Smirnov) 4 November 2021 01: 30
          0
          the Persians also already have enough, and they can compensate for their technological lag with fanaticism and quantity. And do not confuse them with the Egyptians. The Persians will not scatter, and they are quite worthy warriors. If the Iranians manage to enter close combat with the Jews, they will crush you . You can not even hesitate. So do not be dashing while it is quiet.
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 4 November 2021 17: 38
            -3
            How is it -

            Quote: Gosha Smirnov
            quantity

            a lot of Persians will pull slingshots to launch rockets at Israel? bully
            1. Gosha Smirnov Offline Gosha Smirnov
              Gosha Smirnov (Smirnov) 5 November 2021 04: 01
              0
              the number means that there are many times more of them than the Israelis. And their level of development has long surpassed not only the ability of the slingshot to craft and make handicraft qasams. The Israeli government has long known this, and therefore it is extremely painful to perceive the presence of the Persians in Syria and their desire to place missiles closer to Israel. Do you not know about it. And if the Persians were so miserable, as you are trying to present it, then they would not swear like that in Israel and in every possible way would not try to nightmare the Iranians. So the one who laughs last laughs well.
              1. Binder Offline Binder
                Binder (Miron) 5 November 2021 07: 19
                -3
                Quote: Gosha Smirnov
                the one who laughs last laughs well.

                The one who shoots well laughs well. hi
                1. Gosha Smirnov Offline Gosha Smirnov
                  Gosha Smirnov (Smirnov) 5 November 2021 12: 53
                  0
                  Well, you didn't shoot, you just tried to joke at the Iranians.
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    4. bobba94 Offline bobba94
      bobba94 (Vladimir) 3 November 2021 13: 12
      -1
      Not convinced. Miron .... weak arguments and stupid conclusions. It was necessary to cite as an example the situation of 1812, the retreat of the Russian army to Moscow, and so on ...
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 3 November 2021 17: 48
        -5
        My dear man, yes, I did not set the task of convincing anyone here, believe yourself in the brilliant blitzkrieg and surrender of Kiev. I just want to note that the Armenians also believed in their victory in Karabakh ...
        1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
          DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 4 November 2021 05: 59
          +2
          Here you are. I compared my ass to my finger. What can I say ... repatriate, sir.
      2. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
        DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 4 November 2021 05: 58
        +2
        Right. I will add a little - there are no conclusions, no reasons either. But emotionally, the post is sustained. This unit simply does not know about 1812.
    5. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 4 November 2021 06: 05
      +1
      You don't know the situation well. If someone else wrote such nonsense, it would be possible to explain how everything happened. But this is for sane people who are able to understand. You are a hopeless mister repatriate.
  8. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 2 November 2021 18: 25
    +3
    if Russia shows aggression against Ukraine, Berlin undertakes to stop buying Russian gas through the bypass pipeline.

    And where will they buy gas if the Ukrainian pipe is inoperable?
    The most possible scenario is a military coup in Ukraine and the transfer of a part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the side of Russia. But for this something must happen in Kiev. But what happens there - we'll see.
  9. I caezza, everything will remain as it is, Russia does not need Ukraine
  10. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 3 November 2021 08: 12
    +1
    Quote: sH, arK
    The question is about the consequences. The fact that all this khokhlomeroznost will inflict tremendous damage on its own country, blowing up all the stations of the GTS, oil storage facilities, state district power stations, thermal power plants, dams of hydroelectric power plants, possibly even nuclear power plants, will bring huge problems of a humanitarian nature. We will be blamed for everything.

    At the same time, contain 30-35 million foreign citizens with brainwashed, albeit partially, brain remnants - DO WE NEED IT?

    This is demagoguery. What does it mean to contain them? And who is keeping them now?
    They actually support themselves. And if industrial and trade ties are restored, everything will gradually start to improve.
  11. Valery Bor Offline Valery Bor
    Valery Bor (Valery) 3 November 2021 10: 16
    0
    What kind of military invasion by Russia are we talking about? What is the point of conquering a country that is mostly hostile to us? Destroying the positions of the Armed Forces on the contact line is one thing, but a full-scale offensive is completely different. Complete madness. Why produce martyrs in the eyes of the collective West? For modern Ukraine to collapse, a complete economic embargo is enough, the termination of the supply of the entire spectrum of goods - from energy (electricity, gas, oil products) to food. It's no secret that Russia supplies Ukraine not only gas and diesel fuel, but also equipment, cars, spare parts for equipment (including agricultural ones), chemical products, household appliances, food, etc. Without all this, Ukraine will not last even six months (at best). If Russia is the aggressor, and the West and the United States are the defenders of Ukraine, then let them supply there not only weapons, but everything that Russia supplied. But the West and the United States do not need this. They have their own problems. Maidanutye will be left with nothing, at a broken trough, with empty barns. The third Maidan cannot be avoided.
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 3 November 2021 20: 44
      +2
      Maidanutye will be left with nothing, at a broken trough, with empty barns. The third Maidan cannot be avoided.

      Will not stay! Lukashenka immediately gave them electricity, and will give them food, if anything. Ukrainian oligarchs have sold 75% of the grain grown in 2021. Now they are forced to buy grain outside the cordon. This is where Lukashenka will help to earn extra money. He probably considers himself Roosevelt, who traded under Lend-Lease during the war in goods for gold. And Russia is helping him.
  12. Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 3 November 2021 10: 44
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    For some reason, I think that there will be no full-scale hostilities this winter, none of the three options

    I have been on this site for 1,5 years and there is not a single Sergei forecast that would come true, not a single one))
    1. bobba94 Offline bobba94
      bobba94 (Vladimir) 3 November 2021 13: 15
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      Don't tell me ..... Negotiations are underway to buy an aircraft carrier from China ..... What if it comes true?
  13. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 3 November 2021 12: 17
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    Here recently the former president of Russia announced the plans of the Russian Federation in Ukraine. The essence of the plan is nothing to do and wait for politicians more loyal to Russia to come to power in Ukraine (it will take a long time). So the bloody dreams of the respected author will not be realized.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 3 November 2021 13: 40
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      To clarify, this is your essence of D.A.'s plan. Medvedev, which is accessible to your understanding. laughing

      Why are contacts with the current Ukrainian leadership pointless? Five short polemical theses.

      The theses themselves are here - https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5028300
  14. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 3 November 2021 18: 58
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    There are so many smart and advising, but no one can paddle in galleys! All over Russia, they could not find the helmsman.