The launch of Power of Siberia-2 will allow Russia to take 50 billion cubic meters from the European market


Against the background of the growing energy crisis in Europe, one very important event took place in the eastern direction, which is most directly related to the events in the Old World. Russia, Mongolia and China signed an agreement on the construction of a new Soyuz Vostok pipeline, which should be a continuation of Power of Siberia-2. Why does Gazprom need this project at all, if even the first Power of Siberia raises many questions about its commercial efficiency?


For a correct answer, it should be borne in mind that Russia is objectively tied to the European sales market. It is in Western Siberia that the largest proven gas reserves are located; it is in the direction of the EU that a huge network of trunk pipelines has already been built. Long-term contracts for the supply of "blue fuel" have been signed, which provide the lion's share of the foreign exchange earnings of the federal budget. By the way, even if you want to, you cannot simply mothball a gas field where development has already begun. Our Western partners are well aware of all this and use this knowledge, demanding discounts from Gazprom and simply allowing themselves boorish statements about the Russian state corporation. The main message is - where are you going to go from the submarine?

And really, where? We considered China as an alternative to the EU. In 2014, with fanfare, it was decided to begin construction of a new Power of Siberia gas pipeline, which was supposed to demonstrate to the Europeans that Russia could do without them. Unfortunately, things didn't turn out quite as expected.

On the one hand, they failed to frighten the European Union, since Power of Siberia uses new fields in Eastern Siberia as a resource base, not Western Siberia, from which all these pipelines Yamal-Europe, Nord Stream and others are powered. The logic of the Europeans is as follows: what exactly are you going to scare us with? In fact, West Siberian gas has long been considered its own in the EU.

On the other hand, China took advantage of the difficult situation in which Russia found itself after the events of 2014 and knocked out the maximum preferences for itself. Beijing will not allow the Power of Siberia to be extended to its eastern coast, where the entire industry of the PRC is concentrated, limiting itself to the relatively sparsely populated northern regions. In addition, Gazprom has strong competitors in this sales market in the form of Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan. Therefore, China managed to achieve the signing of a long-term agreement on the supply of Russian gas with reference to oil prices within the PRC itself. As a result, Gazprom is forced to sell "blue fuel" at a price of $ 170 per 1 cubic meters, which causes tears of pity against the backdrop of European records.

On the whole, Power of Siberia is far from the most successful energy project. So is it worth pulling the second one? What is this, some kind of gas scam? In fact, Power of Siberia-2 has quite real chances to take place, but if several important conditions are met.

first... An offshoot of Power of Siberia-2 called Soyuz Vostok, with which we began this conversation, should reach the Pacific coast of China, where the entire industry of the PRC is concentrated. In theory, this will make it possible to liquefy the supplied Russian gas and deliver it by tankers to neighboring countries of Southeast Asia. Taking into account regional prices, it will still be beneficial.

Second... The key difference between Power of Siberia-2 and the first Power of Siberia is that West Siberian gas fields will be used for it. The very ones from which the "blue fuel" goes to the EU, where some Europeans are squeamish about it. These are the already mentioned gas pipelines Yamal-Europe, Nord Stream, Nord Stream-2. The design capacity of the new pipeline should be 50 billion cubic meters of gas per year. For comparison, Gazprom has undertaken today to pump 40 billion cubic meters of gas annually through the Ukrainian GTS, the design capacity of the Yamal-Europe pipeline is 32,9 billion cubic meters, and both Nord Streams have 55 billion cubic meters of gas a year.

In other words, the launch of the Power of Siberia-2 should completely drain some of the gas pipelines in the European direction. This is already serious. The country's leadership is forced to respond to plans to reduce the consumption of "blue fuel" in the EU by preparing for the transfer of the supply route to an alternative Asian direction. As an instrument of economic pressure on Western partners, the new pipeline may prove to be very useful.

The third... The construction of Power of Siberia-2 will allow parallel gasification of a number of Russian regions that Gazprom has never reached before. And it is only worth saying hello.

Thus, under the conditions of the announced global energy transition, the practical benefits of the second Power of Siberia may turn out to be incomparably higher than that of the first.
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  1. smersh chek Offline smersh chek
    smersh chek (smersh chek) 29 October 2021 13: 15
    -4
    170 bucks? where did you get it? in Asia the price of gas reached 2 thousand, the Americans are pushing all LNG to Asia (threw the EU), and Gazprom will be sold for 170? don't be ridiculous, at least 800, so many were exposed to Moldova
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 October 2021 13: 38
      +6
      Take the trouble to read the question first before commenting,
      1. smersh chek Offline smersh chek
        smersh chek (smersh chek) 29 October 2021 23: 37
        -1
        read it yourself before writing scribbles

        The price of Russian gas supplies to China at the beginning of 2021 fell to $ 118,5 per thousand cubic meters, follows from the data of the General Administration of Customs of the People's Republic of China. In the first quarter of 2020, the price was $ 202 per thousand cubic meters, in the second - $ 182, in the third - $ 144; in IV - $ 126 per thousand cubic meters. The contract for the supply of Russian gas to China via the Power of Siberia gas pipeline is tied to the price of fuel oil and gas oil with a 9-month lag, the price of gas changes quarterly.

        Asian spot index Platts JKM in January formed at $ 587 per thousand cubic meters; Russian LNG was sold to China in January at an average price of $ 487 per thousand cubic meters. The Northeast Asia region experienced a severe cold snap in December-January, due to which the price of energy resources rose sharply (the maximum value of the JKM index soared to $ 1160 per thousand cubic meters in early January), leading to an increase in gas prices around the world. In Europe in January, the average spot price was $ 257 per thousand cubic meters.
        1. smersh chek Offline smersh chek
          smersh chek (smersh chek) 29 October 2021 23: 39
          -1
          with a 9 month lag - so let's see how much it will be in 9 months, today oil is fuel oil at its peak
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 October 2021 07: 58
            +1
            170 bucks? where did you get it? in Asia the price of gas reached 2 thousand, the Americans are pushing all LNG to Asia (threw the EU), and Gazprom will be sold for 170? don't be ridiculous, at least 800, so many were exposed to Moldova

            you have denied yourself smile

            srsh chk (srsh chk) Yesterday, 23:37
            -1
            read it yourself before writing scribbles

            The price of Russian gas supplies to China since the beginning of 2021 fell to $ 118,5 per thousand cubic meters, follows from the data of the General Administration of Customs of the People's Republic of China.

            with a 9 month lag - so let's see how much it will be in 9 months, today oil is fuel oil at its peak

            So there we are talking about intra-Chinese prices for petroleum products, not global ones.

            And what has LNG dragged into when it comes to pipeline supplies?

            Asian spot index Platts JKM in January formed at $ 587 per thousand cubic meters; Russian LNG was sold to China in January at an average price of $ 487 per thousand cubic meters. The Northeast Asia region experienced a severe cold snap in December-January, due to which the price of energy resources rose sharply (the maximum value of the JKM index soared to $ 1160 per thousand cubic meters in early January), leading to an increase in gas prices around the world. In Europe in January, the average spot price was $ 257 per thousand cubic meters.

            Yes, the Smershevites are no longer the same ...
      2. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
        sH, arK 30 October 2021 13: 39
        +1
        The meaning of the Power of Siberia is primarily the Amur Gas Processing Plant. Purification, processing, transfer of methane both to the PRC and to LNG. The contract with the PRC does not really seem good, although no one knows the details, and perhaps, as is often the case with GazPrem, it is “cut on a rollback”.

        But the general meaning is clear - the gas from Kovykta needs to be driven somewhere, there is a lot of everything in it, including helium, it needs to be processed, a plant to be built, a pipeline, an LNG terminal - but for now it seems like it’s going to be driven into your pocket ...

        How and why such agreements with China are needed is not very clear. But the pipeline itself is important and needed. And the details of the contract are not clear to me.
    2. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 29 October 2021 13: 40
      +5
      The price of pipeline gas for China is $ 171 per thousand cubic meters.
      The price of LNG gas for China is $ 441 per thousand cubic meters.

      The value of the Power of Siberia-2 is that blackmail from Europe will end and 14 regions of Russia will be supplied with gas. The article says about this. So points 2 and 3 are absolutely correct. The first is not so obvious. But probably.

      The site is often asked "why are they not supplying gas to grandparents in Russia"? The cost of Power of Siberia-2 seems to be 1,6 trillion rubles. Maybe more. And the USSR could not supply gas to the entire country. Distances are too long and no economic benefit is visible. Only with the economic development of Siberia and the Far East has it become profitable to build these pipelines.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 October 2021 08: 01
        +1
        The price of pipeline gas for China is $ 171 per thousand cubic meters.
        The price of LNG gas for China is $ 441 per thousand cubic meters.

        The value of the Power of Siberia-2 is that blackmail from Europe will end and 14 regions of Russia will be supplied with gas. The article says about this. So points 2 and 3 are absolutely correct. The first is not so obvious. But probably.

        Thank you for your objectivity in this matter. hi
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 09: 08
          +3
          I am always objective. What I see is what I write. If you remember, I wrote that the Power of Siberia 2 is even more important than the Power of Siberia 1. Precisely for the above reasons.
  2. Scharnhorst Offline Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst (Scharnhorst) 29 October 2021 14: 49
    +5
    It is not entirely clear whose arguments 1, 2, 3 are given in the article, personally by the author or the future owner of the gas pipeline?
    "First". The gas pipeline from western Siberia to the coast of China will be several times longer than from there to the coast of Germany. More severe terrain conditions. The density of the Russian population in those parts is not comparable to the European part of the Russian Federation, i.e., the argument of profitability is greatly weakened under the conditions of capitalism in the country. The cost of pumping gas over such a distance increases greatly, and the content of the pipe increases. We can get a second Ukraine with transit tariffs in our own country.
    "Second" As an instrument of pressure on Europe, any gas pipeline is a double-edged weapon, we do not supply gas - our pipeline is idle, on the contrary, they will not buy - our gas pipeline is idle again. The Americans with LNG tankers proved to be more flexible and independent due to their geographic features. Changing the dependence of the Russian budget on gas supplies to Europe for future dependence on gas supplies to China is a rather controversial alternative for the future.
    "Third" If we put the interests of the Russian people at the forefront, in terms of the long-awaited gasification, then the gas pipeline should be pulled not through Mongolia and sparsely populated areas of China to its coast, but along the Trans-Siberian railway to the ice-free ports of Primorsky Krai.
    "Your opinion" The gas pipeline should be brought to the Northern Sea Route. Build your own nuclear powered LNG tankers and icebreakers. By sea, trade will not be tied to transit and hub owners at the end point of the pipeline. The market is the broadest and we will observe the political and commercial benefits!
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 October 2021 08: 03
      0
      It is not entirely clear whose arguments 1, 2, 3 are given in the article, personally by the author or the future owner of the gas pipeline?

      Since Russia today is a country of oligarchic capitalism, and this is a fact, then, of course, the problem is viewed from the point of view of the ruling class. The people and the author of the lines, in particular, do not make decisions, they only observe. Therefore, it was separately highlighted that the gas pipeline will have some kind of internal benefit for the country.
    2. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 09: 19
      +2
      The economic benefit of the Altai gas pipeline is that its regions are gasified. Money is not the main thing here. The power of Siberia-1 gave impetus to the development of the regions of Siberia. Altai will give impetus to the development of 14 more regions.
      The density of the European population cannot serve as a criterion. Europe has proven itself to be an unreliable buyer.
      There is always a seller-buyer dependence. This is an axiom. As Aldanov wrote, "the baker does not sell you bread because he is kind and cares about you. He wants to earn money. And you buy bread because you want to eat." At one time, Hitler did not understand this.
      Russia needs the power of Siberia 2 no less than China. And the supply of Russian LNG to the world is increasing. Of course, Russia is far from Qatar, but there is growth. And LNG is tied specifically to the hubs. But Russia does not intend to slaughter the goose that lays the golden eggs. Therefore, Russian LNG is sold cheaper than Qatari and American ones.
  3. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 29 October 2021 21: 38
    -5
    I'm not sure that the issue of launching Nord Stream 2 is still not in the hands of the United States.
    This is a good, reliable "hook" which, along with everything else, has been keeping us from taking action in Ukraine for a long time. Losing it, the States will get two problems at once:
    - the beginning of our active actions to change the situation in Ukraine
    - delivery of Russian gas to Europe, competing with American
    Why does the States need this?
    As long as this "hook" is in effect, "Power of Siberia - 2" is useless as an instrument of pressure on Europe.
    Further, the States can "sell" this "hook" to us for geopolitical benefits, and will try not to miscalculate in this.
    The price that this "hook" has for us, when the Americans sell it, is directly proportional to all our investments in Nord Stream 2, including political ones.
    Our investment in Power of Siberia 2 as an instrument of pressure on Europe will only increase the already exorbitant geopolitical price for Nord Stream 2, which we will be willing to pay the Americans. If we go for a deal.
    In order not to pay the Americans to our future, I think that it would be better for us to prepare ourselves to write off Nord Stream 2 at a loss.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 09: 44
      +4
      Nord Stream 2 has already paid for itself. Or is about to pay off.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 October 2021 11: 17
        -2
        Explain, please, how could SP-2 pay for itself without launching yet?
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 11: 30
          +2
          Much has been written and talked about



          Expert Martsinkevich noted that Nord Stream 2 is already making a profit for Gazprom
          https://banki.loans/news/post/ekspert-marcinkevich-otmetil-chto-severnyj-potok-2-uzhe-prinosit-pr

          “The main paradox is that, not working, Nord Stream 2 makes a profit. If it started to function, there would be no such prices "
          1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
            Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 October 2021 11: 47
            -3
            What then is the government so worried about the SP-2? Can't count?
            But if the respected expert Martsinkevich says so, we will believe him. Let's close the SP-2 to hell, already without regret, we will make a profit, and we’ll still get the Americans' nose in the morning.
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 11: 53
              +3
              That's what I always said about it. To the questions “what to do?”, “How to launch SP-2?”, “Boss, everything is gone,” I answer: “Do nothing. gas transportation system of Russia and pump gas in any direction. "

              Miller's quote:

              At the same time, as far as the linear part is concerned, you have always set a task, and this is an absolutely self-sufficient goal, to connect the gas transmission capacities that are already there in Eastern Siberia with the gas transmission capacities and gas supply systems in the European part. Undoubtedly, this will make it possible to ensure reverse and averse deliveries in both directions, and will further increase the reliability of gas supply to our Russian regions..

              https://www.gazprom.ru/press/news/2020/march/article502469/
            2. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 12: 02
              +3
              There is one more thing. SP-2 cannot be closed. You just have to push your gas price. 300-400 dollars per thousand cubic meters is the reasonable compromise to which one should strive. If (when) SP-2 starts operating at full capacity, then such a price is quite possible. Closing the joint venture-2 is the goal of the States. Why should Russia play along with them? Work of SP-2 in the interests of Russia and Europe. This is already politics. But it is closely related to the economy.
              1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 October 2021 14: 46
                -2
                Don't turn the question upside down.

                Closing the joint venture-2 is the goal of the States. Why should Russia play along with them?

                Why play along when the States themselves are successfully coping with this?
                But if they really like it, how do you do it then:

                You just have to push your gas price. 300-400 dollars per thousand cubic meters is the reasonable compromise to which one should strive.
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 15: 24
                  +5
                  Very simple. Launch of Nord Stream 2 and gas supplies under German long-term contracts. Tied to the oil basket. Considering the spot prices, this is generally a delight. Risk hedging is called. The price will immediately drop to 500 bucks or something in the area.
                  Yes, the States are against SP-2. For several reasons.
                  1. Continue transit supplies through Ukraine. And thus fuel the Russophobic regime of Kiev. But it won't work. Because contract deliveries have decreased. And even without SP-2, Gazprom is quietly fulfilling all contracts. In any case, to date, no penalties for non-fulfillment of the contract are visible.
                  2. Make the gas price too high for Europe. Then the products of European companies will become uncompetitive. Too high costs for gas and electricity. The process of plundering Europe is under way. It is no longer possible to rob China or Russia. The fattest goose is Europe. And defenseless.

                  Therefore, the American LNG "with molecules of freedom" does not go to Europe. After all, the United States insisted on giving up Russian gas, promising to supply its own LNG instead. They threw the Europeans. LNG terminals in Europe are well loaded, if 50%. When they say that the States threw Afghanistan, they threw Europe in the same way.

                  Russia (GazProm) is completely unprofitable for such high gas prices in Europe. Plants are already closing. This will lead to a decrease in production in Europe. But these are their problems. Worse, if the enterprises are closed, the demand for gas from Russia will fall. And this is the loss of the market. When they say that Norway, or Algeria, or Qatar are increasing gas supplies, they do not tell us a very important thing. At what price does Norway supply gas?

                  Russia has fulfilled its task. The gas pipeline has been built. Certification is a European problem. If we keep the European industry (respectively, gas supplies from Russia), then the States will suffer a complete fiasco. And then the content of the Russophobic regimes (this is not only Ukraine. And Poland and the Baltic States and Moldova) will fall on the shoulders of the States. That's where the dog fumbled. The subject "political economy" was not in vain.
                  1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 October 2021 16: 30
                    -4
                    Do you hope that Europe, "squeezed into a corner", will finally push the US to launch the SP-2?
                    So far, she hasn't been very good at it. And I will definitely tell you: it will not work. This is too important for the States.
                    We hope for this indefinitely. Meanwhile, the sand in the clock is pouring. The Americans are thoroughly preparing their operation against us and China, are gathering forces, looking for weak points, and they will probably find them.
                    As a result, Biden's "consent" turned out to be a mocking trick of the Americans who believe that they have "got it all."
                    This trick was calculated, at least, for the fact that we once again postpone our activity in Ukraine.
                    Let's hope further until the Americans finally have "everything ready"?
                    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 16: 45
                      +4
                      Europe is indeed "locked into a corner". And she has no way out. The gas pipeline was nevertheless built ... Without a political decision in Europe, it would not have happened. Certification will be sold in the same way.
                      Things are not very good in Europe. Without businesses, she will not be able to pay benefits to refugees. Here they are (migrants) and will blow up old Europe. Europe desperately needs cheap energy and resources. Gas, oil, wood, steel, coal. The list is long.
                      It was often pointed out to me here that if Europe renounced Russian resources, then Russia would have nothing to eat and nothing to buy medicines for. The reality turned out to be a little different. Europe will die sooner than one might think. Just a few months with high prices for electricity (and after all, no one reduced gas supplies, just high prices) and we see a full-scale crisis.

                      A couple of years ago I read Elena Chudinova's story "Notre Dame Mosque". It is a futuristic piece about what Europe CAN expect.

                      PS I don't expect Russian activity in Ukraine. The salvation of Ukraine is the work of Ukrainians. Or Russians living in Ukraine. That is, two buildings of the LDNR. But that is another topic.
                      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 October 2021 16: 56
                        -4
                        Your views and desires are not able to change reality.
                        She lives regardless of our ideas about her
                      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 17: 17
                        +5
                        This is not how I pose the question. I know that reality does not obey us. but we can more or less accurately predict the course of events. And as far as possible to shape these events.
                        Therefore, I assume the launch of the SP-2. So far 50%. The rest will be seen. I assume that the cost of gas at the hubs will drop to $ 400-500. I suppose a refusal from a new transit agreement with Ukraine. And I assume an economic rapprochement with Germany. Perhaps with France. But the French are less reliable partners.
                        The economic rapprochement between Germany and Russia will not please London very much. And the States. Therefore, it will be a rather long and complicated process. But history shows that only the Germany-Russia alliance ensures the stability of Europe. Small players do not belong here. An attempt to create a barrier between Russia and Germany is doomed to failure. In the last century, this barrier was broken by military means. In this century, it will be broken by economic methods.
                        In any case, the process is not in the near future. The Maya Indians said that one should think "about the seventh, not yet born generation". This is, of course, a metaphor. But the prospect for 10-15 years is visible.
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 29 October 2021 23: 52
    -3
    Thus, Power of Siberia - 2 will not be able to help us in any way in promoting the launch of Nord Stream 2 and should be profitable without this factor
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 October 2021 08: 09
      +3
      The power of Siyiri-2 is not directly related to the SP-2. This is a response to the general decline in gas consumption in Europe in the future.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 October 2021 11: 28
        +1
        Yes, Sergey, it is so
    2. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 09: 50
      +3
      The significance of the Power of Siberia-2 is not to speed up the launch of Nord Stream-2. Profitability is the economic liberal thesis. For example, domestic Russian gas prices are significantly lower than European or Asian ones. It seems to be $ 100 per thousand cubic meters (more precisely, you can find out by looking at the invoice in the payment system). Does this mean that Gazprom should withdraw all gas from the domestic market and sell it abroad? Profitability will increase at least twice if you sell to China. And let their population sit in the 19th century.
      The significance of the Power of Siberia-2 in the termination of blackmail by Europe. Now gas from Yamal has nowhere to go and Gazprom is losing billions in fines and is forced to revise prices in favor of Europe. With the launch of Power of Siberia-2, this game will end forever.
      For comparison. GazProm paid colossal fines to Poland and Ukraine. In total, about $ 5 billion. And in the project Nord Stream-2 invested a little more than $ 5 billion (offshore).
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 October 2021 11: 40
        +1
        The term "profitability" is not a thesis and has nothing to do with liberalism.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 11: 41
          +2
          Perhaps. But it has a lot to do with capitalism. And now the world is dominated by the theory of liberal capitalism. The so-called "free market".
          I wrote about "liberals from economics"
  • Maaslo Sallonen Offline Maaslo Sallonen
    Maaslo Sallonen 30 October 2021 04: 10
    +2
    There is a western gas transmission system and an eastern one. In order for the flow to be diverted, their bow is needed. How else? Where about this in the article? Further. Why drag on to the "Pacific Coast of China" if a site for an LNG plant has already been identified near Nakhodka? It is enough to connect the "Power of Siberia" and "SHV" along the Amurskaya and Jewish Autonomous Okrug. Something I do not see the logic of the author. Then we will dictate the price to the Chinese.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 October 2021 08: 10
      0
      The very leadership of Gazprom spoke about the link between SS-1 and SS-2.
    2. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 09: 53
      +1
      These are Gazprom projects. So to speak - the primary source
      https://www.gazprom.ru/f/posts/14/880510/map_sila_sib_r2019-12-24.png


  • gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 30 October 2021 10: 58
    -5
    The launch of Power of Siberia-2 will allow Russia to take 50 billion cubic meters from the European market

    - I liked the article (some points are controversial, but everything is early - although the author in this article brings some sound judgments to the naive public) ...
    - My like to the author ...
    - Generally ... - I don't even want to explain something else here ... - It's just worth remembering the "Golden Calf" by Ilf and Petrov:

    - "You go to Kiev and ask ... - who was Panikovsky before the revolution ..."

    - You don't need to go to Kiev ... - you just need to look at poor Turkmenia ... - from which China simply sucks out all the juices of life - for a sufficient number of years ... - it just pumps Turkmen gas for nothing and ... and not blowing ... - And, if Turkmenistan suddenly ... - another gas pipeline Power of Turkmenistan-2 will be laid to the already existing gas pipeline (let's call it "Power of Turkmenistan-XNUMX") - then ... then ... then China "will be twice as happy" ... - That's all ... - And Turkmenistan will be "happy" only that China "will be twice more happy" ... - there will be no more reasons for Turkmenistan "for joys "from such" communication "with China ...
    - The same thing is happening today with Russia ... - That "Power of Siberia", that "Power of Siberia-2" ("identifier" - "Power of Turkmenistan", "Power of Turkmenistan-2") - these are monstrous dead-end projects for Russia will lead Russia into such colossal losses; that no hostile subversive activity against Russia ... - simply did not stand nearby ...
    - Russia is already in a very, very difficult situation today ... - with these ... gas pipelines ...
    - Instead of pulling pipes through the sparsely populated expanses of Russia, it is necessary (just necessary) to lay railway tracks and supply Russian gas on platforms ... in containers ... and create underground gas storage facilities on the route in large cities ... - Here and they will be gasified - all Siberian settlements, villages and other remote Siberian settlements ... - In them (in these bear corners) there is no need to pull pipes - to the "grandparents" ... - they just need to bring gas - to whatever ... - And that's it ...
    - It is only China that needs a Russian gas pipeline-artery, which would always supply it ... - This is all that was done - only for China !!!
    - And to South Korea - you can't run a gas pipeline from Russia either ... - Therefore, the Power of Siberia-2 is also absolutely unnecessary ... - We need to build new railways that will pass through Russian cities, where there will reserve underground gas storage facilities ... - And on the way to supply gas (LNG) to the entire Russian population of the village) (which will meet on the way) ... - and drive these railroad trains to Russian ports; where there will also be gas hubs and huge gas storage facilities ...
    - Damn, and not hunchback on China for nothing ... -
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 11: 38
      +3
      it is necessary (just necessary) to lay railway tracks and supply Russian gas on platforms ... in containers ... and create underground gas storage facilities on the route in large cities

      Provide transport to settlements? Build railway tracks to remote areas? I thought it was difficult to surprise me. I was wrong.

      Underground gas storage (UGS) is complex of engineering and technical structures in reservoirs-reservoirs of geological structures, mine workings, as well as in workings-tanks created in deposits of rock salts

      Underground gas storage facilities are under construction near the route of main gas pipelines and large gas-consuming centers for the possibility of prompt coverage of peak gas consumption.
  • Face Offline Face
    Face (Alexander Lik) 30 October 2021 12: 16
    +2
    It is high time. Let the US drive its LNG to Europe.
  • gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 30 October 2021 12: 39
    -5
    - Generally ... - in our time it is no longer necessary to take and defeat the enemy; defeat it, invade its territory, occupy it, intern its population, etc. ... - It's enough like this ... to use and impose your interests on another state; to force another state to carry out gigantic projects, which will then work very promisingly against their own state. - i.e. to create an opportunity to legally parasitize on the economy of a foreign state ... - This is exactly what China succeeded in doing ...
    - Regarding specifically the "gas development" (and the provision of gas - for domestic needs - for the entire population of Siberia) of the Siberian region ... - it has long been clear that the thousand-kilometer gas pipelines laid across all "terrain reliefs" are not needed at all ...
    - Gas can be delivered through the territory of Russia only by transport; and in big cities and oil refineries it is possible to build local gas pipelines, where gas can already be brought directly into residential buildings ... - And in other small oil refineries - to start gas with gas carriers ...
    - And giant gas pipelines are not relevant ...
    - Even the very fact that the pipe itself of a huge diameter and a length of thousands and thousands of kilometers ... - must be constantly filled with a huge amount of gas (and this pipe itself is ... - nothing more than a huge reservoir). .. - this fact ...- is nonsense ... - In addition, the level of the pipe is constantly changed (terrain, mountains, forests, rivers, swamps, swamps ... - you need a huge number of pumping stations; heating stations itself gas ... - And this gas in this pipe - at sections of a thousand kilometers, where the temperatures are extremely low (in Russia there are such places in bulk - this is not Qatar) ... - at such temperatures, this gas will turn into LNG by itself. .. - And how to pump it further ... - through the pipes ???
    - It is only for China that Russia has gone so far with its gas pipeline ... - Such a "gas sale" to China is below the cost price ... - And, if we take into account all these factors and the deplorable Chinese payment for the gas itself ... - this is ......................................... just robbery ...
    1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 30 October 2021 18: 18
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      Good Lord !! Enlighten this woman ... from heresies. In the Middle Ages, a bonfire would cry for you winked
  • Zenon Zenon Offline Zenon Zenon
    Zenon Zenon (Zeno Zeno) 30 October 2021 12: 52
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    Quote: gorenina91
    Gas through the territory of Russia can only be delivered by transport

    I wish you every day several times to meet on the road with such gas carriers
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 October 2021 15: 35
      +6
      And then carry the gas in buckets to homes.

      gorenina91 (irina)
      this gas at such temperatures will itself turn into LNG.

      The temperature of gas liquefaction and its transportation is -160 degrees. Surely in Siberia there are "lots of places" with such a relatively low temperature.
      To paraphrase: "Whoever read Gorenin does not laugh in the circus."
  • gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 31 October 2021 02: 22
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    - And here there are enough "experts-experts" in "transportation of gas" over "long, long distances" ... - They are well aware of the fluidity of gas at different temperatures and how to pump gas ... - But by the way - this is such trifles ... - It is quite enough and that ... - if these "experts" will simply blow everything together into the pipe and thus supply gas for many thousands of kilometers ... - And another "support group" (this is from another the end of the pipe) - will carry the gas with buckets ... - first - to their relatives and friends (first of all to them) ... - and then to everyone else in need ... - as soon as the next batch is poured ... - The main thing at the same time, nothing "smoke" and nothing "eat" (inside) ... - not only with buckets ... - but even with "liters" ... - and it will go ... = Only this way ... - and no problem ... - Abgemacht ??? - Well, so ... - schnell !!!
  • Bitter Offline Bitter
    Bitter 2 November 2021 10: 32
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    The launch of Power of Siberia-2 will allow Russia to take 50 billion cubic meters from the European market

    So the SP-2 was built in order to pump gas from Europe, and not vice versa. This is the turnover. laughing Apparently, there was no other way to take gas from the European market. The Power of Siberia is probably being built in order to reduce the supply of gas to the Chinese, and maybe even to pump something out. what
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 3 November 2021 21: 44
      0
      The logic of the Europeans is as follows: what exactly are you going to scare us with? In fact, West Siberian gas has long been considered its own in the EU.

      And what prevents from pumping gas into tankers and selling - where is it profitable?