Israel trains to bypass Russian air defenses while Iran builds its own in Syria


In Israel, from 17 to 28 October at the Uvda airbase in the south of the country, the international military exercises Blue Flag-2021 are being held, which have become unprecedented. Pilots of the Israeli Air Force (IAF) and allied countries are training to bypass Soviet and Russian air defense systems, practicing overcoming the Kub and Pantsir-C1 air defense missile systems, which are in service with the Syrian Arab Army. This is reported by the Israeli TV channel 9TV.


These maneuvers involved 1000 military personnel and 100 aircraft from 7 countries (Israel, USA, Germany, Italy, Great Britain, France, India and Greece). Before the start of the exercise, two fighters flew over the Knesset, piloted by IAF Commander Major General Amikam Norkin in an F-15 and German Air Force Commander Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz in an Eurofighter.

A demonstration flight "Wings of History" took place, in which aircraft from different countries flew in a single formation. The pictures were posted by IAF on their Twitter account. This is the most representative composition in the history of the maneuvers, and, moreover, the commander of the UAE Air Force, General Ibrahim Nasser Muhammad al-Alawi, is the observer, which happened for the first time.




During the exercise, the following are also being worked out: actions to integrate aircraft of the 5th and 4th generations in combat conditions, interaction in neutralizing the air defense of a simulated enemy, the emergence of Iranian air defense systems in the region and the more active use of drones. For the first time, the maneuvers are also taking part: a squadron of the British Air Force, French Air Force pilots on the Dassault Rafale and Indian Air Force pilots on the Dassault Mirage 2000.

The Russians have repeatedly reported on the successful counteraction of the Syrian air defense against the Israeli Air Force, which is discordant with the successful actions of Israel in Syria.

- summed up the media.

Note that at the same time Iran is building its own air defense system in Syria. Tehran is increasing the number of SAM batteries in its own ATS to counter Tel Aviv. There was information about unsuccessful attempts by Iranian air defense systems to shoot down IAF aircraft in the Syrian sky.

The Jerusalem Post clarified that the reaction time of Syrian air defense batteries has decreased over the past year, although the number of Israeli strikes has increased. This forced the IAF to change tactics during such missions, including by creating a larger formation, so that it was possible to quickly and reliably hit several targets at once without repeated arrivals.

At the same time, the Iranians changed the placement of their batteries and moved the radar station to a greater distance from the launchers. It also forced the Israelis to increase the number of their planes. In addition, the IAF will have to take this into account when conducting any possible operation against Iran's nuclear program. Israel understands that Iran has a strong military-industrial complex. At the same time, Iranian drones are of particular concern. As for the Iranian air defense in Syria, we can talk about the Bavar and Khordad air defense systems.
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  1. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 26 October 2021 17: 07
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    Against this background, the statements of the Russian land admiral from Syria that the Syrians again shot down most of the Israeli missiles during the next Israeli attack on Iranian facilities look ridiculous.
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 26 October 2021 17: 59
      +8
      Let them fly. Believe in their impunity. The Nazis will face an inglorious end.
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 26 October 2021 18: 38
        -8
        Yes, yes, you believe, comrade ... wassat
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  2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 26 October 2021 17: 57
    +5
    The Luftwaffe is training.
    1. Breard Offline Breard
      Breard (Serg) 27 October 2021 07: 24
      +3
      Almost...

      The Israelis master and apply what Nazi Germany once did to the Jews.
  3. Volga073 Offline Volga073
    Volga073 (MIKLE) 26 October 2021 18: 56
    +5
    Bomb Israeli airfields.
  4. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 26 October 2021 20: 16
    +3
    Not impressive No. Neither the strongest army in Europe, nor the Balts, even the Poles were taken request In one word rabble (s).
    In the meantime, somewhere in Moscow ... The embargo was canceled, the time has come for the signing of contracts. And shoals of variegated geese are only here to help good We can say visual agitation yes

    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 26 October 2021 21: 38
      -3
      The embargo was canceled, and it's time to sign contracts.

      ... for Russian loans :)
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 27 October 2021 09: 09
        +2
        ... for Russian loans :)

        I don't know the details, do you? smile Do you want to say that Iran has no money at all? And even if for loans, I don't see anything wrong with that. Do you want to say the rest on the arms market work exclusively on prepaid basis? For example, do you pay for everything, or do you write down on account of gratuitous aid?
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 27 October 2021 09: 51
          -3
          And even if for loans, I don't see anything wrong with that. Do you want to say the rest on the arms market work exclusively on prepaid basis?

          There is nothing wrong with loans - as long as the borrower refuses to return them :)

          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 27 October 2021 10: 33
            +2
            There is nothing wrong with loans - as long as the borrower refuses to return them

            Does he refuse? It's just a big headline. As I understand it, we are talking about temporary difficulties due to illegal restrictions imposed by the vile Washington bankers abusing dominant position in the financial sector.

            On August 10, Iranian Ambassador to Moscow Kazem Jalali announced that Iran would like to "settle" the issue of this debt. “We are conducting a conversation with our Russian colleagues and are moving towards a solution to this issue,” he said.
            According to Jagaryan, no solution has yet been found. “The main reason, as they explain to us, is that as a result of illegal unilateral sanctions by the United States, Tehran cannot get access to its funds held in foreign bank accounts, primarily in South Korea and Japan,” the ambassador said.

            https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/aktsii/iran-otkazalsya-vozvrashchat-rossii-500-mln-evro-kredita-na-as-1030752601

            Firstly, it is temporary. Secondly, they will agree and find a solution yes Maybe they'll give it back, now they say the price smile
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 27 October 2021 11: 14
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              Does he refuse? It's just a big headline. As far as I understand we are talking about temporary difficulties

              Temporary difficulties quite often turn into permanent ones :) A lot of debtor countries, which Russia had to forgive debts, will confirm this.

              due to illegal restrictions imposed by vile Washington bankers abusing financial dominance.

              What's the difference because of what? Can Iran (at least for the time being) return the loan to Russia? Can not. Why would he suddenly have the money to buy weapons?

              Secondly, they will come to an agreement and find a solution yes Maybe they will give oil back, now they say in the price

              Why does Russia need Iranian oil if there is an abundance of its own?
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 27 October 2021 11: 35
                +1
                Temporary difficulties quite often turn into permanent ones :) A lot of debtor countries, which Russia had to forgive debts, will confirm this.

                It also happens. A bunch of creditors countries forgive debtor countries. This is not unusual for you. But only Anglo-Saxon lackeys have the idea that this happens only with Russia and causes a nasty rotten-toothed grin.

                What's the difference because of what? Can Iran (at least for the time being) return the loan to Russia? Can not. Why would he suddenly have the money to buy weapons?

                Ukraine has no more money. But strange as it may seem, they are periodically placed on the purchase of weapons. I suppose under similar news I will not meet your comment in a similar style. Surprise me and write that it is not so smile
                Practice shows that money is always in the armament because it is often a matter of survival. Iran has no dollars, there are options to get around this problem. Mutual settlements, barter.

                Why does Russia need Iranian oil if there is an abundance of its own?

                Approximately then, why do the Americans need Russian LNG, they buy from Russia at a favorable price, and the Young Europeans get it more expensive. Is this scheme too complicated for you?
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 27 October 2021 12: 14
                  -2
                  A bunch of creditors countries forgive debtor countries. This is not unusual for you.

                  What other countries are practicing cancels out the fact that Russia will not get any benefit from the sale of weapons to Iran?)

                  Ukraine has no more money. But strange as it may seem, they are periodically placed on the purchase of weapons. I suppose under similar news I will not meet your comment in a similar style. Surprise me and write that it is not so

                  First. Once again, so that you understand - how the financial losses of the same USA in lending to Ukraine cancel out the financial losses of Russia in lending to Iran?) The financial costs of the United States do not bother me. But, you see, they excite you :)

                  Second. The Americans, pumping money into Ukraine, receive an intangible benefit - namely, a country hostile to Russia in its underbelly. Providing Russia with a lot of economic and political troubles.

                  What intangible (because no material is foreseen) benefit Russia will get from pouring money into Iran? Will he become pro-Russian? Sure?

                  Practice shows that money is always in the armament because it is often a matter of survival.

                  laughing How naive you are, I am already touched. In normal reality, and not in your pink one, if there is no money, then there is none.

                  https://tass.ru/info/7037257

                  Angola was among the first African countries with which Russia settled the debt problem. In November 1996, the Russian Federation wrote off $ 3,5 out of 5 billion to this country, or 70% of the debt resulting from military purchases from the USSR in 1981-1991.

                  Approximately then, why do the Americans need Russian LNG, they buy from Russia at a favorable price, and the Young Europeans get it more expensive. Is this scheme too complicated for you?

                  But the American LNG does not compete with the one that the Americans buy from Russia (they go to different markets), and Iranian oil is a direct competitor to the Russian one. Otherwise, why hasn't Russia so far demanded that the debt be paid in oil?)
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 27 October 2021 15: 27
                    +1
                    Does the practice of other countries cancel out the fact that Russia will not get any benefit from the sale of weapons to Iran?

                    Why not get it? These are your fantasies and nothing more.

                    First. Once again, so that you understand - how the financial losses of the same USA in lending to Ukraine cancel out the financial losses of Russia in lending to Iran?) The financial costs of the United States do not bother me. But, you see, they excite you

                    First. Financial losses are of interest to you, both real and imaginary. After all, you are sneering about the fact that Russia will not receive money. What does the loss of the Americans have to do with it? Can you read? You have to repeat everything 2-3 times.
                    "Practice shows that there is always money for armaments because it is often a matter of survival."

                    Second. The Americans, pumping money into Ukraine, receive an intangible benefit - namely, a country hostile to Russia in its underbelly. Providing Russia with a lot of economic and political troubles.

                    Second. Ukraine in its current form can hardly be called a country. Iran is no less friendly to the United States than Ukraine is to us. Where the Americans are throwing money is their problem. Russia will sell weapons and make money on it. about the hassle, this is a bit of an exaggeration. Economic "troubles" are good for Russia, which cannot be said about Ukraine. And the political ones, what's the difference from what angle the barking is heard? There would be no Ukraine, all this would be in the Baltics, Moldova, Georgia and so on.

                    How naive you are, I am already touched. In normal reality, and not in your pink one, if there is no money, then there is none.

                    And you seem to be dumb. I'm tired of repeating obvious things to you. Many countries write off debts. Not all financial investments are profitable. It happens. enterprises go bankrupt, debtors go bankrupt. That is life. People die, planes crash, droughts and floods happen. With the same success, you can poke your fingers in the window and say look, there is snow, it is cold here, as if it immediately stops on the border of Russia and there are tropics everywhere.

                    But the American LNG does not compete with the one that the Americans buy from Russia (they go to different markets), and Iranian oil is a direct competitor to the Russian one. Otherwise, why hasn't Russia so far demanded that the debt be paid in oil?

                    American LNG is really not a competitor to Russia, they blew the shale revolution with a bang. And in general, I'm tired of repeating simple things to you.
                    The Americans bought gas in Russia and sold it at a higher price to the Europeans, Russia will take oil from Iran cheaply and sell it at a higher price, no matter who, even the same Europeans. What kind of competition are you talking about? What are the different markets? What's the difference?
                    Who demanded what and how do you know? Negotiations are in progress. And in general that you have rested on oil? This is one of the options, just an example.
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 27 October 2021 20: 56
                      -2
                      Why not get it? These are your fantasies and nothing more.

                      As well as your fantasies about what will receive (so far Russia has not received anything from Iran?).

                      But there are good reasons for my fantasies:

                      - delay in the payment of Iran's debt on nuclear power plants;

                      - Iran's desire to borrow another $ 5 billion from the Russian Federation.

                      Tell me, how much will you get from the sale of weapons to the one who owes you, the debt does not return, and even plans to borrow more?

                      First. Financial losses are of interest to you.

                      Of course, I am worried about the financial problems of Russia. I live in Russia.

                      You are sneering about the fact that they say Russia will not receive money. What does the loss of the Americans have to do with it?

                      So you started to say that:

                      A bunch of creditors countries forgive debtor countries.

                      And then they remembered about Ukraine, which buys weapons with loans from the United States and Europe. Or receives as gifts.

                      Can you read? You have to repeat everything 2-3 times.
                      "Practice shows that there is always money for armaments because it is often a matter of survival."

                      I know how. This is your reading problem, since you claim that "money for armaments always can be found "after I quoted this:

                      Angola was among the first African countries with which Russia settled the debt problem. In November 1996, the Russian Federation wrote off $ 3,5 out of 5 billion to this country, or 70% of the debt generated as a result of military purchases from the USSR in 1981-1991.

                      I'll translate if it's not clear. Angola bought weapons worth $ 5 billion on credit from the USSR. And she could not pay. I repeat - I couldn't. Although, in your pink universe, maybe she could.

                      Many countries write off debts. Not all financial investments are profitable. It happens. enterprises go bankrupt, debtors go bankrupt. That is life. People die, planes crash, droughts and floods happen.

                      There is a big difference between a risky, but potentially profitable investment, and a deliberately unprofitable one.

                      American LNG is really not a competitor to Russia, they blew the shale revolution with a bang.

                      So it was blown that in 2020 the United States occupies 23% of world gas production, and Russia - 16%)

                      The Americans bought gas in Russia and sold it at a higher price to the Europeans, Russia will take oil from Iran cheaply and sell it at a higher price, no matter who, even the same Europeans. What kind of competition are you talking about? What are the different markets? What's the difference?

                      The United States either uses its "native" LNG itself or supplies it mainly to the Asia-Pacific region. And the gas bought from Russia is resold to Europe (if you believe). As a result, profits are cut from two markets.

                      If Russia starts reselling Iranian oil (or gas) to the Europeans, who are already supplying their own oil (gas), then Russian oil will have to compete with Iranian. For the demand in one market is limited. Europeans will buy one thing.

                      And in general, that you rested on oil? This is one of the options, just an example.

                      What else can they offer? Is that their territory for the bases of the Orthodox, Russian. But Iran, as a "small but proud people", is unlikely to agree to this. Since he wants to play a significant role himself, at least in the region.
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 27 October 2021 22: 52
                        +2
                        As well as your fantasies about what will receive (so far Russia has not received anything from Iran?).
                        But there are good reasons for my fantasies:
                        - delay in the payment of Iran's debt on nuclear power plants;
                        - Iran's desire to borrow another $ 5 billion from the Russian Federation.
                        Tell me, how much will you get from the sale of weapons to the one who owes you, the debt does not return, and even plans to borrow more?

                        So Russia has not yet sold him anything.
                        Delay in payments (debt restructuring), desire to borrow more. Remove the word Iran from this paragraph and you will get an accurate description, for example, of European reality. For example Greece. So this is nothing out of the ordinary. Do you have any doubts about the prospect of the French to make money on the sale of frigates?

                        Of course, I am worried about the financial problems of Russia. I live in Russia.

                        They excite you quite specifically. I would not be surprised if you wrote - unfortunately I live in Russia.

                        I know how. This is your reading problem, since you claim that "money for weapons can always be found" after I quoted this:

                        It looks like you know how to masterly blunt. Find money for a vital purchase and to pay off loans from 40 years ago, which were issued to "those who embarked on the path of socialism" practically free of charge and unlimited. It seems that no one was particularly going to pay for that auction of unprecedented generosity, Angola is no exception.

                        I'll translate if it's not clear. Angola bought weapons worth $ 5 billion on credit from the USSR. And she could not pay. I repeat - I couldn't. Although, in your pink universe, maybe she could.

                        You are constantly talking about the pink universe. Is this the envy of the dweller in the brown dump? Only there you can come up with an answer for me, as if I claim that Angola paid off and no one will notice this lie.

                        There is a big difference between a risky, but potentially profitable investment, and a deliberately unprofitable one.

                        Done right yes Selling weapons to Iran is a risky but potentially profitable investment and not only financially. But for example, investing in US debt is money down the drain.

                        So it was blown that in 2020 the United States occupies 23% of world gas production, and Russia - 16%

                        Do you want to say the shale revolution has won and is marching victoriously across the planet? I don’t know what kind of numbers you have, but oh well, it’s not so important. The fact is that the struggle was for the world market, not the US market. Most of the gas produced is consumed within the United States. In numbers, it looks like this:

                        Extraction
                        USA - 772800
                        Russia - 665600

                        Export
                        USA - 89700 (12% of production)
                        Russia - 210200 (32% of production)

                        If we subtract the volume of imports (and we and they also import gas), we get the following picture.
                        USA - 86150
                        Russia - 15770

                        It turns out that the "net" export
                        USA - 3550
                        Russia - 194430.

                        https://svspb.net/norge/gaz.php
                        This is what the victorious oil shale revolution looks like. Interesting numbers, isn't it?

                        The United States either uses its "native" LNG itself or supplies it mainly to the Asia-Pacific region. And the gas bought from Russia is resold to Europe (if you believe). As a result, profits are cut from two markets.
                        If Russia starts reselling Iranian oil (or gas) to the Europeans, who are already supplying their own oil (gas), then Russian oil will have to compete with Iranian. For the demand in one market is limited. Europeans will buy one thing.

                        And why is it supplying it mainly to the Asia-Pacific region? After all, they dreamed of selling to Europe, they made Napoleonic plans, they built terminals in batches.
                        First, it is not necessary to sell to Europe, oil is in price everywhere, for example in China. Secondly, no matter where to sell, the demand for oil is growing. Russia will not have to do anything, neither mine nor transport, it will simply receive its commissions.

                        What else can they offer? Is that their territory for the bases of the Orthodox, Russian. But Iran, as a "small but proud people", is unlikely to agree to this. Since he wants to play a significant role himself, at least in the region.

                        Look for the presence of minerals, chromium, copper, zinc, manganese, gold. Agriculture, for example, I bought Iranian dates in the store, they do not grow with us. Iran does a lot of things, including turbines for power plants, "small but proud people" could not copy drones, build ballistic missiles and air defense systems. They will not be sold spare parts in Canada as the Turks. In general, there are a lot of options, your arguments are far-fetched, and arrogance towards Iran is ridiculous and looks stupid.
                      2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 29 October 2021 23: 18
                        -2
                        For example Greece. So this is nothing out of the ordinary. Do you have any doubts about the prospect of the French to make money on the sale of frigates?

                        Calls. But what do I care about France if I live in Russia?

                        I would not be surprised if you wrote - unfortunately I live in Russia.

                        Who would care what worries you there or not :)

                        Find money for a vital purchase and to pay off loans from 40 years ago, which were issued to "those who embarked on the path of socialism" practically free of charge and unlimited.

                        Stupid here while only you. I brought you in Russian a quote written in which it is said that Angola I also bought weapons - in your own words, made a "vital purchase". But Angola did not find the money to pay for this "vital purchase" :)

                        Done right yes Selling weapons to Iran is a risky but potentially profitable investment and not only financially.

                        or a new old rake :)

                        Do you want to say the shale revolution has won and is marching victoriously across the planet?

                        At least it has pretty good prospects. By the way, this is also confirmed by the Russian government - https://ria.ru/20210609/gaz-1736229823.html

                        The government admitted that in 2024 Russia could lose its leadership in gas export volumes. This follows from the action plan for the implementation of the Energy Strategy until 2035.
                        According to the document, in the next two years Russia will retain the first place among the three largest gas suppliers to the international market, but then the prospects are less certain: it will either hold its positions or become the second largest exporter.
                        The main sales market for Russian blue fuel is European. According to OPEC, Russia exported 2019 billion cubic meters of gas in 261. Second place was taken by Qatar (143 billion), third by the United States (132 billion), fourth by Norway (111 billion), and fifth by Australia (100 billion).

                        The fact is that the struggle was for the world market, not the US market. Most of the gas produced is consumed within the United States. In numbers, it looks like this:

                        The efficiency of a technology is determined not by the structure of export-import, but by the quantity, quality and cost of the product obtained with its help. In general, a country can spend all of the produced gas exclusively on its domestic market or completely sell it abroad.

                        The population of the United States is more than 2 times that of the Russian Federation. There are significantly more industrial enterprises and other large consumers of gas in the USA.

                        And, in general, it was thanks to shale gas that the United States was able to become self-sufficient in the mid-10s.

                        In the period up to 2030, the saturation of the natural gas market will be ensured by an increase in the return on the resource base of shale and coal gas. The USA, Canada and China are expected to significantly increase the supply of such gas. In the United States, the increase in natural gas production based on horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing technologies has made possible the use of large shale gas resources, and has also helped to significantly reduce imports from other continents.

                        The rapid growth in shale gas production in the United States in the second half of the 2000s allowed the American economy to become self-sufficient in gas and reduce oil purchases.

                        And this is not "idle cries of some American hangers-on", but an excerpt from the "Forecast of the long-term socio-economic development of the Russian Federation for the period up to 2030" (developed by the Ministry of Economic Development of Russia)

                        And why is it supplying it mainly to the Asia-Pacific region?

                        Because this is the largest market. 70% of world gas consumption is India, China, South Korea, Japan.

                        In addition to the Asia-Pacific region, the United States supplies gas (both piped and liquefied) to Canada, Mexico and some Latin American countries.

                        Why isn't American shale doing too well with Europe? Well, because Europe has closer suppliers - Russia (no doubt), as well as the countries of the Middle East. Against geography, even the currently only superpower is powerless.

                        First, it is not necessary to sell to Europe, oil is in price everywhere, for example in China. Secondly, no matter where to sell, the demand for oil is growing. Russia will not have to do anything, neither mine nor transport, it will simply receive its commissions.

                        When?

                        Look for the presence of minerals, chromium, copper, zinc, manganese, gold.

                        Angola has this stuff in bulk too. Oil, by the way, too. But for some reason the debt had to be written off.

                        Iran does a lot of things, including turbines for power plants, "small but proud people" could not copy drones, build ballistic missiles and air defense systems.

                        I have no doubt that talented engineers and designers live in Iran (however, the effectiveness of their weapons still needs to be tested in practice). Only this is not enough.

                        North Korea also makes rockets and launches satellites. That does not prevent the country from living on the brink of starvation and supporting its existence at the expense of handouts from China (and in some moments - from the "damned Western imperialists").

                        In general, there are a lot of options, your arguments are far-fetched

                        Is it far-fetched to see a refusal (so far temporary) to pay off the debt, or plans for a loan from Russia for another $ 5 billion?
                      3. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 30 October 2021 10: 26
                        +1
                        Calls. But what do I care about France if I live in Russia?

                        And you seem to think this is a misunderstanding. I want so much in the USA, but have not earned it yet winked
                        The standard rhetoric of the average liberda. We take a standard situation, isolate Russia, say that this is bad and should not be so, but abroad it is different, we will not talk about this. I will recall this phrase to you more than once, and this one too. yes

                        Who would care what worries you there or not?

                        Stupid here while only you. I gave you a quote written in Russian, which says that Angola also bought weapons - in your own words, made a "vital purchase." But Angola did not find the money to pay for this "vital purchase"

                        You are just blunt yes The distribution of money from the USSR to the countries "taking the path of socialist development" can hardly be called a deliberate and balanced decision. Try to present a claim to the Soviet leadership.

                        At least it has pretty good prospects. This, by the way, is confirmed by the Russian government.

                        The government does not confirm anything, it admits ...

                        Government allowed that in 2024 Russia may lose its leadership in gas export volumes

                        15 years have passed, and everyone is still ... planning, they have potential, they can ...

                        LNG production growth potential is greatest in the United States, which has large shale gas reserves, and Qatar, which plans to expand production capacity. Therefore, these two countries can seize the lead among the largest exporters.

                        The efficiency of a technology is determined not by the structure of export-import, but by the quantity, quality and cost of the product obtained with its help. In general, a country can spend all of the produced gas exclusively on its domestic market or completely sell it abroad.

                        How interesting. Tell us about the effectiveness yes Can you tell us about the cost of shale gas? Is the production growing? Is shale gas displacing traditional gas? Is the USA reducing imports and is it replacing the traditional ones?

                        The population of the United States is more than 2 times that of the Russian Federation. There are significantly more industrial enterprises and other large consumers of gas in the USA.
                        And, in general, it was thanks to shale gas that the United States was able to become self-sufficient in the mid-10s.

                        How interesting it is for you, then in the mid-10s self-sufficiency, that is, potential and prospects. And now what? We do not care about their self-sufficiency, let them do what they want, they planned to squeeze Russia out of the world market and they did not succeed. And in general, what do you care about the United States if you live in Russia?

                        Because this is the largest market. 70% of world gas consumption is India, China, South Korea, Japan.
                        In addition to the Asia-Pacific region, the United States supplies gas (both piped and liquefied) to Canada, Mexico and some Latin American countries.

                        I do not understand the essence of your claims. The USA resells gas to where they offer the best price. At the same time, it sells both to Europe and Asia. Russia can do the same with Iranian oil. But in the opinion of the dull liberda, she should sell it to Europe and compete with herself. winked

                        Why isn't American shale doing too well with Europe? Well, because Europe has closer suppliers - Russia (no doubt), as well as the countries of the Middle East. Against geography, even the currently only superpower is powerless.

                        You will turn the globe at your leisure, see where the gas carriers are leaving. Ask what is the distance from the United States to China and Europe. I'll tell you a secret, Russia and the Middle East are closer to both China and Europe winked
                        Is it all about geography? As I understand it, you can't compete because of it? BUT do you believe in the prospects of the shale revolution? The USA sells where it is more profitable.

                        When?

                        When what?

                        Angola has this stuff in bulk too. Oil, by the way, too. But for some reason the debt had to be written off.

                        I'm tired of your stupidity. sad Everything related to debt write-off by countries of creditors to countries of debtors has been written above more than once. I see no reason to return to this question. The question is closed yes

                        I have no doubt that talented engineers and designers live in Iran (however, the effectiveness of their weapons still needs to be tested in practice). Only this is not enough.
                        North Korea also makes rockets and launches satellites. That does not prevent the country from living on the brink of starvation and supporting its existence at the expense of handouts from China (and in some moments - from the "damned Western imperialists").

                        I have no doubt that the existence of North Korea on the verge of starvation is due to the blockade and sanctions. They want to do exactly the same with Iran.

                        Is it far-fetched to see a refusal (so far temporary) to pay off the debt, or plans for a loan from Russia for another $ 5 billion?

                        What do you see unusual in this? Do you remember Lukashenka and his plans for a nuclear power plant loan? Poland refusing to stop using coal and continuing to demand money from the EU, while failing to comply with European norms and legislation? You can find a lot of examples. Everyone wants to do more, pay less. The world works like that. Does he not suit you? Contact Musk, they seem to have promised to send them to Mars.
        2. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
          DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 28 October 2021 10: 14
          0
          All will give of course. It's just that these "journalists" are taught this way now, catchy headlines are the basis of interest).
  • Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 26 October 2021 23: 31
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    Who is so kind with Shoigu who handles, probably an Iranian? So it is good - sell your products to the Ayatollahs, they will not be able to interfere with the Israelis.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 27 October 2021 09: 15
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      Who is so kind with Shoigu who handles, probably an Iranian? So it is good - sell your products to the Ayatollahs, they will not be able to interfere with the Israelis.

      Thank you for allowing hi laughing What will it interfere with, and what will it contribute to you yourself, figure it outwinked We will watch the development of events with interest. yes
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 27 October 2021 17: 06
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        My dear man, we are here, some with interest, and some without it, watching the events in the post-Soviet space. bully
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 27 October 2021 17: 22
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          Well, your interest is understandable, your future existence depends on these events. Dreaming of reviving the Jewish way of life in Ukraine. I guessed?
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 27 October 2021 19: 33
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            Our existence does not depend in any way on your post-Soviet problems. I dream that all residents of Ukraine, Russia and other former republics of the USSR live in peace and prosperity. Alas, unfortunately, my dreams are not destined to come true in the foreseeable future ...
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 27 October 2021 19: 45
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              Stay tuned, God help! laughing hi
        2. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 27 October 2021 20: 03
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          My dear man, we are here, some with interest, and some without it, watching the events in the post-Soviet space

          We are more fortunate in this regard. We are observing both the post-Soviet space and beyond your borders. In the second case you are performing on stage. winked But in the post-Soviet, there are also many interesting things, the winter is planned to be cheerful yes Don't disappoint us, make us laugh. laughing
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 27 October 2021 20: 08
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            I can’t promise you fun - you’re having fun when the Jews feel bad, but this is not expected. For the Persians, if anything, the kirdyk will inevitably come. yes
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 27 October 2021 20: 24
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              Binder, you nationalized your gas reserves, no?
              1. Binder Offline Binder
                Binder (Miron) 27 October 2021 21: 02
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                Gas production from Israeli fields is carried out by a consortium of private companies.

                Quote: isofat
                these reserves do not belong to Jews

                It is not up to you to decide who owns the Israeli gas reserves.
            2. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 27 October 2021 21: 36
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              I can’t promise you fun - you’re having fun when the Jews feel bad, but this is not expected. For the Persians, if anything, the kirdyk will inevitably come.

              Just don't get up in an offended position and let down under antisimetism No. ... You have just gathered to observe the post-Soviet space. Does it amuse you when Russians feel bad? And many tried to organize kirdyk to the Persians. Perhaps Sasha from Macedonia was not the first.
              1. Binder Offline Binder
                Binder (Miron) 27 October 2021 21: 52
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                But where did you see the offense in my comments? And for your information - those Persians that once fought with Alexander from the current Persians differ much more than the ancient Romans from modern Italians.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 27 October 2021 22: 54
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                  But where did you see the offense in my comments? And for your information - those Persians that once fought with Alexander from the current Persians differ much more than the ancient Romans from modern Italians.

                  I suppose people who wandered in the desert for 40 years were somewhat different from modern ones. winked Everything changes, people too yes
          2. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 27 October 2021 20: 22
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            They might have had enough of their gas reserves, the country is small, warm, but these reserves do not belong to the Jews. I have not been interested in the real situation for a long time.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 27 October 2021 22: 56
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              They might have had enough of their gas reserves, the country is small, warm, but these reserves do not belong to the Jews. I have not been interested in the real situation for a long time.

              I won't tell who belongs to, but you can see some statistics yes
              https://svspb.net/norge/gaz.php
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 27 October 2021 23: 11
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                123, thanks. My opinion is that the Israeli screen cannot be an independent state. But this is a separate conversation.
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 26 October 2021 22: 04
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    Quote: Cyril
    The embargo was canceled, and it's time to sign contracts.

    ... for Russian loans :)

    (To your patriotic)

    Do you live a patriot with Bindyuzhniki in the next doorway?
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 26 October 2021 22: 52
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      (To your patriotic)

      Unfortunately, you are partly right. Not that they are patriotic, but that my taxes will go to this business.

      Do you live a patriot with Bindyuzhniki in the next doorway?

      Neighboring entrances cannot be located in different countries. You did not know?
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 26 October 2021 22: 11
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    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Against this background, the statements of the Russian land admiral from Syria that the Syrians again shot down most of the Israeli missiles during the next Israeli attack on Iranian facilities look ridiculous.

    Ridiculous here is just you and your bots for now. Lie on your left side, we won't shoot today. And in the morning, take the first steamer to America, otherwise they don't like whiners in Israel.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 26 October 2021 23: 33
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      Somehow, without your wise advice, I will figure out where to go and whom they love where. No.
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 27 October 2021 09: 41
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    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Somehow, without your wise advice, I will figure out where to go and whom they love where. No.

    I really doubt very much izya, if you call at least.
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 27 October 2021 09: 47
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    Quote: Cyril
    (To your patriotic)

    Unfortunately, you are partly right. Not that they are patriotic, but that my taxes will go to this business.

    Do you live a patriot with Bindyuzhniki in the next doorway?

    Neighboring entrances cannot be located in different countries. You did not know?

    Taxes will go to what business?
    On a matter of national importance?
    And you can't even say that you live in different countries, one person is straight.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 27 October 2021 10: 06
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      Taxes will go to what business?
      On a matter of national importance?

      The sale of weapons to Iran is not a matter of national importance for Russia.

      And you can't even say that you live in different countries, one person is straight.

      Just wipe your eyes. Well, do the operation if you are blind.
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 27 October 2021 15: 12
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    Quote: Cyril
    Taxes will go to what business?
    On a matter of national importance?

    The sale of weapons to Iran is not a matter of national importance for Russia.

    And you can't even say that you live in different countries, one person is straight.

    Just wipe your eyes. Well, do the operation if you are blind.

    Hello American Patriot. In my opinion, the military believe, the leadership of the Russian Federation believes that the sale of weapons to Iran is a matter of state importance for Russia. Who are you to decide for the military? Blind and back-driven is you, and there is no point in operating here. Iran was the last in the anaconda loop around the Russian Federation, look at the map carefully euro strategist. America-NATO and Israel really want to crush our friendly Iran for themselves. We are helping our friends with a pseudo-patriot.
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 27 October 2021 15: 30
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    Quote: Cyril
    Does he refuse? It's just a big headline. As far as I understand we are talking about temporary difficulties

    Temporary difficulties quite often turn into permanent ones :) A lot of debtor countries, which Russia had to forgive debts, will confirm this.

    due to illegal restrictions imposed by vile Washington bankers abusing financial dominance.

    What's the difference because of what? Can Iran (at least for the time being) return the loan to Russia? Can not. Why would he suddenly have the money to buy weapons?

    Secondly, they will come to an agreement and find a solution yes Maybe they will give oil back, now they say in the price

    Why does Russia need Iranian oil if there is an abundance of its own?

    Stupid question. Why is America fighting everywhere for someone else's oil, if there is enough of its own? To control most of the market. There are big problems with logic. You are like a binder, you always write everything that is only bad for the Russian Federation.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 27 October 2021 21: 10
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      Stupid question.

      The question is normal, the answer is so-so :)

      You said yourself that in order to control most of the oil market, the United States is at war everywhere? So.

      Now think about whether the "oil compensation" at the price of 500 million euros will help change something on the oil market :)

      Logic is not mine, but you are in trouble.
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 27 October 2021 21: 39
    +3
    Quote: Cyril
    Stupid question.

    The question is normal, the answer is so-so :)

    You said yourself that in order to control most of the oil market, the United States is at war everywhere? So.

    Now think about whether the "oil compensation" at the price of 500 million euros will help change something on the oil market :)

    Logic is not mine, but you are in trouble.

    In addition to compensation, there are other agreements, there is also the support of friends. Haven't heard that? Are you nearsighted?
    Either you have a very hard time with your logic. You could not even think of what the meaning of what was written was: A) America is at war and steals foreign oil, thereby trying to squeeze some of the global control over oil and prices for itself. B) Russia controls its oil market and prices, not by fighting and plundering the peoples, but through friends who have oil, negotiating with them.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 29 October 2021 23: 32
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      In addition to compensation, there are other agreements, there is also the support of friends.

      And, that is, 500 million euros will we forgive again?)

      Boy, remember one simple thing - there are never "friends" anywhere in politics. This is not a get-together with the yard boys in the evening. Until you and others like you remember this - you will always burn out after another "friend" throws Russia for money, or even becomes hostile.