Ukraine's entry into NATO means the emergence of US nuclear missiles near Kharkov

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On the eve of the North Atlantic Alliance adopted a new defensive strategy, taking into account the growing military capabilities of China. President Vladimir Putin immediately personally criticized NATO, accusing the Western bloc of breaking a promise not to expand eastward. Indeed, where is the alliance, built mainly on the basis of the countries of the Old World, and where is China, located in Southeast Asia? What is happening is very reminiscent of how, under the pretext of protecting against the "Iranian missile threat", elements of an American dual-use missile defense system appeared in Europe.

Recall that Washington managed to push through the deployment of elements of its anti-missile system under the rather absurd pretext of the need to protect Europe from Iran. Why Tehran, which is vitally interested in the export of hydrocarbons to the EU countries, should hit its most important business partner with medium-range missiles was not convincingly explained. But in Romania, and then in Poland, Aegis Ashor missile defense systems appeared, the design of which allows literally within XNUMX hours to secretly replace anti-aircraft missiles with Tomahawk cruise missiles, including those that can be equipped with a nuclear warhead. Obviously, the main target of Washington with its hypocritical statements was on Iran, and Russia. The Pentagon received ready-made missile batteries on the territory of Eastern Europe, capable of striking at the objects of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation up to the Urals. But what will happen if the "defensive alliance" draws closer to Russia, absorbing Ukraine and Georgia?



The prospect is absolutely real. The fact that Kiev and Tbilisi may actually become part of NATO in one form or another is directly stated in Washington and the leadership of the alliance at the highest level. What does this threaten us with, who is to blame and what to do?

Speaking about problem points on the map of the South-West of Russia, today it is customary to mean the Crimea and the Black Sea region as a whole. Literally 10-15 years ago, Turkey actually ruled the Black Sea, whose navy was almost 5 times stronger than the Russian Black Sea Fleet. A lot has changed since 2014. With the return of Crimea to Russia, the peninsula was turned into a powerful military bastion, and the numerical and qualitative composition of the Black Sea Fleet increased significantly. The previous dramatic difference with Turkish has long since disappeared.

There is a lot of talk about how the cancellation or revision of the provisions of the Montreux Convention, which would allow American warships, including aircraft carriers, to enter freely and remain indefinitely in the Black Sea waters, can change the situation. In fact, there will be no particular practical sense from the introduction of the US Navy AUG. Against. The carrier strike group is truly terrible in the far sea zone, where it has a total advantage over any enemy due to the presence of carrier-based aircraft, which it always carries with it. In the Black Sea, which is fired by missiles from coast to coast, and the RF Ministry of Defense has powerful coastal aviation, the AUG will indeed turn into an easy target. The entry of an American aircraft carrier with a group of escort ships into the Black Sea area will have no other effect, except for PR. The media will "buzz", but the military knows and understands everything very well.

However, the situation may radically change not in favor of Russia if Ukraine and Georgia are admitted to NATO.

At first, the aviation of the United States and the North Atlantic Alliance, in general, will be able to permanently station itself on a network of airfields in Ukraine and Georgia. This will allow NATO to secure an air superiority if the bloc decides to launch some kind of military operation in the Black Sea.

Secondly, in the Ukrainian Odessa, Ochakov and Nikolaev, as well as in the Georgian Batumi and Poti, official military bases of the North Atlantic Alliance may appear. Under the protection of the missile defense system, destroyers and cruisers equipped with guided missile weapons can stand there. On D-Day, they will be able to simultaneously deliver pre-emptive strikes against the Russian Defense Ministry's facilities with the Air Force.

Thirdly, a military base is already being actively built in Ochakov, from where the British military will be able to monitor the ships and submarines of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, giving NATO data for target designation.

Finally, elements of the Aegis Ashore missile defense system may appear somewhere near Kharkov or Zaporozhye. From there, American Tomahawks with a nuclear warhead will shoot our country not even to the Urals, but to Siberia.

This is an absolutely real prospect, which was obvious from the very beginning of the Russophobic regimes coming to power in Georgia and Ukraine. However, in 2008, after the successful defeat of the Georgian aggressors, the victorious Russian troops were stopped 40 kilometers from Tbilisi. In 2014, instead of bringing in troops, giving them to legitimate President Viktor Yanukovych to restore constitutional order in Ukraine (see the recent Belarusian experience), Moscow recognized the election of President Petro Poroshenko and received a permanent threat near its western border. The fact that everything will end with the entry of Independent into NATO and the appearance of American aircraft and missiles on its territory was repeatedly said and written in the spring and summer of 2014, but all these warnings were ridiculed and showered with ridicule. And now President Putin personally speaks about it:

Missiles will appear near Kharkov tomorrow, what should we do with this?

And really what? Probably, we should already stop pretending that everything is under control, admit the mistakes made and start correcting them. The problem of Ukraine and Georgia as a threat to the national security of Russia must be resolved promptly and radically, preventing these countries from joining the North Atlantic Alliance. Methods are possible different - from purely military to hybrid. Perhaps it is time to learn from the Americans, who have extensive experience in organizing "color revolutions". If we are afraid to fight directly with Ukraine and Georgia, then we need to facilitate the change of the ruling regime there from pro-Western to neutral or pro-Russian.

Or just sit in one place and wait for the Tomahawks with nuclear warheads to actually appear near Kharkov.
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  1. +3
    24 October 2021 12: 35
    Mr. "Guarantor"! Sitting on the shore, we will never see a corpse passing by our enemy Ukraine, passing by, until we take care of it ourselves. Now the Yankees and Jimmy will turn Ukraine into an impregnable fortress, stuffing it with their naval bases, airfields, Tomahawk complexes, etc. and so on, and we will just contemplate this and squeal, wagging our tail. Come on, force this crazy "nenka" to peace, and Shoigu will do it quickly and accurately, otherwise this whole pack of the USA, England, Japan, Turkey, China, Ukraine, etc. Europe will tear Russia from all sides and at the same time. do not expect a repeat on June 22, 1941.
    1. -2
      24 October 2021 12: 51
      Mr. Garant has one non-standard move in stock - buying Ukraine from the United States in exchange for China.
      I fear our sales to China much more than the need for our showdown with Ukraine.
      I do not know what can be expected from this power, and to whom it obeys. Unfortunately, my trust in any Guarantors has been exhausted.
      1. 0
        24 October 2021 14: 08
        And you are not considering the option of "selling" by China in exchange for the same Taiwan?
        1. 0
          24 October 2021 15: 43
          Joining a defensive alliance involves risk. There is no other way.
          The relationship with the counterparty should be close and informal. True friendship should develop. Only then can one count on adequate understanding with him, and the absence of mistakes.
          Nevertheless, abandoning the union is an order of magnitude greater risk for us.
          As for the issue of "selling" China.
          I don’t understand the motives that drive the leadership of the Russian Federation, and I don’t have reliable information either. These are all just my guesses. Extrapolation of the "line" of his previous solutions
        2. -3
          24 October 2021 16: 21
          Now about Taiwan.
          Yes, of course, this is a very important issue for China. But he is everyday, not strategic. China has lived with us for many years.
          The issue of China's strategic loneliness in the world cannot be secondary to it.
          We are, in life, candidates for strategic allies.
          We went through part of our history together.
          At one time, we helped China a lot, and they have not forgotten it.
          We are half a step away from returning to the path of building socialism, which China probably continues to count on.
          We will have to start with building a socially oriented state capitalism, which we still need to do, and what coincides with their state structure.
          I think they would be happy to help us with this. This is the basis for restoring friendship.
          So, there will be much more factors that hold the union together.
          1. -1
            24 October 2021 19: 28
            this is a very important issue for China. But he is everyday

            So the Russians in twenty years, too, could get used to a different Ukraine. So if you don't push it, then the question will also become everyday. About half a step back on the road to socialism, you are wrong, here the modern capitalists all zealous proletarians immediately raise their teeth. The 90s will seem like paradise.
            1. 0
              24 October 2021 21: 07
              So the Russians in twenty years, too, could get used to a different Ukraine. So if you don't push it, then the question will also become everyday.

              Your logic is strange, Gleb.
              This is not to say that China should forever renounce its claims to Taiwan. The point is that it will simply be much more profitable for him to seek Taiwan, having behind his back such an ally as Russia (even a neutral one in this matter), than to sell Russia for Taiwan, and then deal with the States alone.

              About half a step back on the road to socialism, you are wrong, here the modern capitalists all zealous proletarians immediately raise their teeth. The 90s will seem like paradise.

              You convey my words incorrectly, therefore your categorical conclusion seems convincing to you.
              I wrote "half a step before returning to the path of building socialism" and that we will have to BEGIN "with building a socially oriented state capitalism."
              Agree - these are two big differences. If the authorities begin to build socially-oriented capitalism in the country, there is clearly no reason for realistic capitalists to bang their teeth.
              And there is no one. Because what has to do with zealous proletarians, if we are talking about the power itself? And there are no proletarians for a long time.
              If you want us to abandon development and remain in the current mess, then I think that many will disagree with you.
              1. 0
                25 October 2021 11: 17
                So the question is still not everyday, but burning, and the Chinese are sharpening a knife day and night and are preparing for the return of the Taiwanese aircraft carrier to their home harbor. China has no need to deal with the United States, they have trade. Share profits and markets. Russia with its own market, the American one cannot replace in any way.

                BEGIN "by building a socially oriented state capitalism."

                A kind of mixture of German and Chinese systems. You can try, but the liberals will violently resist. After all, they will have to share all the back-breaking labor they have acquired with some kind of slaves and other gopota.

                You want us to give up development ...

                From what? The ruling capitalists will have to promise everyone else some preferences and "super profits" not otherwise. The crow will not peck out the crown, and will not abandon its own eyes, but the rest will still have to wait.
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  2. M.A
    -7
    24 October 2021 12: 54
    You lost Ukraine exactly when you started killing
    1. +4
      24 October 2021 16: 33
      Quote: M.A
      You lost Ukraine exactly when you started killing

      Just about, dear, it was you who lost Ukraine, when on February 20, 2014, near Korsun, you began to kill and maim Crimeans, your fellow citizens, traveling on eight buses from Kiev to your home, to Crimea. Then you killed and maimed more than 70 residents Crimea, and on the same day the Crimean Armed Forces decided the withdrawal of the Crimean Autonomy from Ukraine, and neither Crimea nor Donbass had risen before that, so you were the first to unleash this massacre, and now reap what you deserve.
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  3. 0
    24 October 2021 13: 08
    In the event of a war, it will not be protracted and maneuverable. Everything will be decided by the effectiveness of the first strike with high-precision weapons on control centers, perhaps even with non-nuclear weapons or low-yield nuclear weapons. A "torso" without a "head" poses no threat. Then a dilemma will arise - to respond with all available forces and means, i.e. start a global war, or be drawn into a maneuvering war with the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the European theater of operations in which the Russian Federation has minimal chances of success due to NATO's multiple advantages in economic, mobilization and military potential.
    NATO clearly proceeds from the fact that the Russian Federation will never dare to use the entire available arsenal of forces and means in response to an invasion with the use of operational-tactical nuclear weapons, and the Russian Federation gives a reason to think so by allowing it to violate its sea and air borders with impunity, simulate the delivery of nuclear strikes against their territory, non-resistance to rabid propaganda and the inability to protect their citizens abroad.

    Missiles will appear near Kharkov tomorrow, what should we do with this?

    Officially declare that the deployment of the RIAC on the territory of state formations adjacent to the Russian Federation - Finland, the Baltic state formations, Poland, Ukraine, Georgia and others - will be perceived as a threat with the right to launch a preemptive strike with the necessary forces and means to eliminate the threat.
    1. 0
      24 October 2021 16: 40
      And what do you think the Europeans are so stupid as to expose their states to a nuclear strike by Russia?
      There are no such fools there to fight for the possessed "nenka", and there will be enough "calibers" for European megacities.
  4. +2
    24 October 2021 13: 14
    For the appearance of American (as it were, "Ukrainian") missiles near Kharkov, the entry of "Ukraine" into NATO is not at all necessary(especially since the European NATO member states actively "do not welcome" such "Ukrainian membership", the overseas masters avoid unnecessary "tyrok" with increasingly vague European allies, if so "everything is on the ointment" with "agreeable" puppet Kiev ) -these "Tomahawks" soon and so there will be the efforts of Washington!
    Dear Author forgot to mention (in the disposition of anti-Russian forces on "Ukrainian territory") the "Ukrainian" naval base on the Sea of ​​Azov, because "Ukrainian" missile boats (most likely, delivered not through the Kerch Strait) will be in Berdyansk as well.
    Alas, every day it becomes more and more obvious that the "time lag" for Moscow to make the right fateful decisions is rapidly decreasing!
    1. -3
      24 October 2021 15: 27
      ... "time lag" for Moscow to make the right fateful decisions ...

      Only the country began to wake up after the adoption of "extreme" fateful decisions from the 90s, it is high time to make new ones. Well, don't build.

      Ukraine's accession to NATO means ...

      That she will still enter there. With or without atomic. recourse
      1. 0
        24 October 2021 15: 50
        Vitter
        That she will still enter there.

        This, Vitter, is also a "pitchfork on the water"! Yes
        After all, except for "maidan vlastas" and their hangers-on from "Svidomo" skakuas, this "NATO membership" no one else needs!
        NATO members ALREADY use the territory and resources of Ukraine as they want!
        Without any obligation on our part!

        Thus, keeping Kiev on a short leash of the MAP, Washington and NATO have much more room for maneuver in international politics, as was the case with Georgia in the "8.8.8." winked
        Vitter, is it unlikely that Washington is so hopelessly stupid to quarrel with the rest of the "European members" because of the "arrogance" of its Kiev puppets and unequivocally "excite" Moscow, and at the same time limit themselves to unnecessary obligations to their disenfranchised "ukroindaytsy"? ! No.
        1. 0
          24 October 2021 18: 53
          Yes, what a year, the pitchfork will soon wear off. These aspirations did not grow out of the blue, this carrot has long been hung up and not in vain. I am frankly surprised by this your except for "maidan vlastas" and their hangers-on from "Svidomo" skakuas, this "NATO membership" no one else needs!... There have been more than one election after a successful scam for the collapse of the USSR, and the course has not changed. Who goes to the polls there, who is elected there, for what and why?

          in Washington, they are so hopelessly stupid

          Recent events in Afghanistan have shown that there is a hole in the old woman, but also not a fact. Perhaps this is part of the plan, almost HPP. And they will decide to quarrel or not without you and me. Before the campaign in Afghanistan, the Americans also did not really consult with the "European members" and in many other parts of the world in the same way. Who knows what plans they have in Ukraine.
          So if "with a pitchfork on the water, but on a short leash and not so hopelessly stupid to" excite "someone there, then there is nothing to discuss. good drinks
          1. +1
            24 October 2021 21: 39
            Bitter, you will probably be surprised, but whether we go to the "elections" or not, the course has not changed in "Ukraine" for 30 years!
            As determined (even under Gorbachev!) The Kiev authorities, non-burzhuin komrenegates like Kravchuk-Kuchma, that they "go with the grabbed to the West" deceitful "European integrators" of all these selected Judomazepines, after winning the elections, immediately meanly betraying the customs union, aspirations and hopes for the promised state status of our native Russian language, the majority of the Ukrainian population, their voters!) their "successors" pull us, even though carcass, even a scarecrow, there too!
            At the "pre-elections" without a choice, we, by the majority of those who nevertheless went to the "electoral" precincts (although the "Maidan legislation", in case of general obstruction of the "elections", stipulates that they are considered valid at any voter turnout, i.e. even if none of us comes to vote - the owners of "Ukraine" will "choose" whoever they want!), voted against the dominance of Maidan banderlog, whose symbol was Giblets ("chosen" from a handful of Maidan Fuhrer "Maidanoprez" Payette and Nuland, although the Germans wanted to make their Nickname a "dill", and Yatsenyukh also had "presidential ambitions" ...)!
            The column "against all" in the Ukrainian bulletins was removed even under Yanyka!
            As, quite theatrical, mockery of the "Maidan regime", as a real symbol of the extreme absurdity of the ongoing "action", among other "candidates" there was clearly a "technical candidate" from Benny - a real clown from the "comic show", a tongue-tied Jewish boy with guilty eyes and an eternally sour face, as it turned out in practice, "without a piece of paper" unable to even say a couple of meaningful sentences himself!
            And he also bleated that first of all, as the Maydanoprezik-Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, he promises an end to the war-punitive ATO and for the sake of Peace in the Donbass, and the end of the civil war, the Banderonazi Russophobic ethnocide in Ukraine! Like, he is for the equality of all Ukrainian residents and for not prohibiting the Russian language - "I myself speak it, how can Russian and Russian fellow citizens be prohibited, good people ?!"
            He whined about the fact that the Jew was not at all on the way with the adherents of the Jewish Holocaust executioners, they say, his grandfather was an officer of the Red Army, a war veteran hero and he honors the memory of the Victory over Hitler's "Common Europe" ...
            So, instead of in this "choice" (of "guano varieties"!) Protestingly spoil their newsletter, many of us (and I too), in the desperate "last hope of the gallows" - "what if a miracle happens and this sad the stuffed animal will do at least something useful if it tries ?! " put a "cross" in front of his name ...
            But this our "vote" absolutely would not have changed anything if the American State Department had decided to leave Giblets for a "second term" (again, they would have "drawn" the old pass "55%" or more to him)!
            But that, too hardened nouveau riche politician, even got his Washington masters with constant "tricks" and resonant "corruption deals"!
            Therefore, the Fashington people decided to replace the low-rating Petrukha with a new doll, a completely dependent young small-town Chaldean, without any political and managerial experience!
            ***
            Washington's plans for its European colony "Ukraine" are clear and understandable, the Americans do not particularly hide them - they are acting insolently!
            Everything can be seen "by their deeds"! request
      2. -1
        24 October 2021 16: 24
        Ukraine's accession to NATO means ...

        That she will still enter there. With or without atomic.

        Well, how will she enter there, with her unresolved territorial problems? The NATO Charter, as it were, does not allow admitting such “members”.
        Well, if Donbass seems small, then (already) nothing will prevent Russia from “aggravating the situation”, up to an open armed conflict with a hostile “neighbor”.
        1. -1
          24 October 2021 19: 13
          Why not? How is it in Turkey or Greece, Yugoslavia with the territories?
          Why are there still no missiles in Poland and the Baltics, and why should they necessarily appear near Kharkov? Who urgently needs to warm up the situation? What for? Ordinary dances with tambourines, what or who is it counting on?
          The NATO Charter can, like the Russian Constitution, be augmented by amendments, if there is a will.
          Some hoopoes (may this bird forgive me) in the government at one time pokurales from the heart, and now ordinary citizens are now under bombs and bullets. Well done, fathers of nations!
          A preemptive war with a hostile neighbor is serious. They raised the problem themselves, now they themselves heroically correct it. Fine.
          1. 0
            25 October 2021 00: 36
            Gleb, where did you get the information that:

            there are still no missiles in Poland and the Baltics

            Who checked it and how?
            And then, even if these missiles appeared there, are you sure that now we would make a fuss?
            If we do not know what to do even with our, crossed by the West, "red lines"?
            And why do you think that the States will suddenly deny themselves the pleasure of placing missiles near Kharkov?
            1. 0
              25 October 2021 10: 20
              Who checked it and how?

              Roughly speaking, these countries are visible through binoculars, so they probably would have noticed. wink Do not be like the uncle with the test tube, the kingdom is to him ...

              Will the states suddenly deny themselves the pleasure of placing missiles near Kharkov?

              There it is more likely that the Ukrainians themselves will bungle and put something, and the States will be happy to watch from the sidelines.
              1. +1
                26 October 2021 15: 36
                Roughly speaking, these countries are visible through binoculars, so they would probably have noticed. wink Do not be like the uncle with a test tube, the kingdom is to him ...

                The contents of the container cannot be seen with binoculars. Transportation is carried out in many streams. You can't keep track of everyone. In addition, there are modern methods of camouflaging and disorienting the enemy. And then, you inattentively read my comment.
                What's the point of power to dig deep?
                Well, they will discover this politically inconvenient fact for themselves. So, what is next?
                They still do not know what to do with their repeatedly crossed fake "red lines".

                There it is more likely that the Ukrainians themselves will bungle and put something, and the States will be happy to watch from the sidelines.

                So it probably will be.
                Only you yourself answered your own question:

                why should they necessarily appear near Kharkov?

                Don't trust the quality of Ukrainian missiles? The Americans won't either.
                They will urgently create a joint venture and release their own ready-made missiles by the hands of Ukraine.
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  6. -4
    24 October 2021 16: 19
    Ukraine's entry into NATO means the emergence of US nuclear missiles near Kharkov

    Why didn't NATO deliver "nuclear missiles" in the Baltic states? From Lithuania or even more so Latvia to Moscow to shoot missiles no further than from Kharkov.
    Unfortunately, all Russian propaganda is focused on complete ignoramuses! .. Ignorants in geography, medicine, economics, history or energy.
    It's not very nice to keep compatriots for boots

    1. +1
      24 October 2021 17: 38
      The fact that on March 29, 2004, with the accession of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania to NATO, appeared as a theoretical potential possibility, the corresponding direction of the missile threat from NATO is true.
      But why do you think that, for this reason, we are now obliged to calmly treat other areas of the missile threat that are emerging now, in a completely different geopolitical situation?
      It would be just stupid of us.
      Or not?
  7. 0
    24 October 2021 16: 38
    Finally, elements of the Aegis Ashore missile defense system may appear somewhere near Kharkov or Zaporozhye. From there, American Tomahawks with a nuclear warhead will shoot our country not even to the Urals, but to Siberia.

    If everything were so scary, then the Russian authorities would not supply Ukraine with solarium for its tanks and other fuels and lubricants, would not provide electricity and other energy resources that can be used for the construction of NATO military bases in Ochakov, etc. If all this continues to be supplied to Ukraine from Russia and Belarus, which means that Russia does not see a threat in Ukraine for itself. Otherwise, how can all this be understood?
    1. +1
      24 October 2021 22: 49
      hi Comrade Bulanov, isn't he going to help the bourgeois bourgeois ?! request
      In the hot time of the suppression of the Russian Spring in the South-East, the beginning of the ATO in Donbass, the Russian non-bourgeois authorities "honestly returned" to the Kiev "Maidan regime" urgently recognized by Moscow, the most combat-ready armored vehicles, aviation and artillery "left by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Crimea"!
      And, probably, as in the case of Crimea in February-March 2014, only the Kremlin's fears that Russian Russians will “misunderstand and disapprove” of the Russian authorities in the event of a “loud” massacre of self-organize and arm, the Russian population (as before that they had already "quietly" dealt with the unarmed anti-bourgeois people's Russian Spring in the Kharkiv region, Dnipropetrovsk region, Kherson region, Zaporizhzhya, Odessa region) in the event of the occupation of the entire territory of Donbass by the Bandera Nazi gangs, and the spontaneously arising "quasi" prevented the Russian bourgeoisie from finally "not abandoning their own"!
      And, along with close Maidan-Russian cooperation on gas transit and other "nishtyaks", they forced the Kremlin to "put eggs in the basket of" anti-Maidan-Russian support for the "self-proclaimed republics of Donbass" ?! winked
      Moreover, after the strangulation of the anti-Maidan regions of the South-East by the w / banderonazis, with the "total cleanup" of the informal "anti-Maidan capital" - Kharkov, on the depopulated and constantly terrorized by the banderonazi "army" Donbass, dangerous (for both Ukrainian and Russian) bourgeois - "privatizators", the passionate people's Russian Spring came to naught, and all its "leaders and standard-bearers" - perished in battles or, one way or another, "cleaned up"!
  8. 0
    24 October 2021 16: 45
    As soon as American missiles appear near Kharkov, Russian missiles will immediately appear. They will only arrive on their own.
  9. +3
    24 October 2021 17: 28
    It is interesting how the Russian Federation will respond to the decision of the Sshasovites to classify Russian citizens as Homeless Nationalities and issue visas in Warsaw.
    An adequate answer was the decision to apply for visas for Sshasovites, for example, in Cape Verde.
    For classifying the citizens of the Russian Federation as the homeless, let’s assume there is a reason - the consent of the Spot Committee of the Russian Federation to perform without a flag and anthem.
    But if you have to go to Warsaw for a visa, then you will have to fly from Warsaw - not to return to Moscow later to fly to New York.
    Then direct air transportation between the Russian Federation and the United States also makes no sense, and if so, why not introduce a ban on flights of SSH airlines through the airspace of the Russian Federation.
  10. M.A
    -4
    24 October 2021 17: 50
    Quote: Valentine
    so you were the first to unleash this carnage

    Ask Girkin who started what and where, he boasts to you more popular, your fairy tales in the style of ich are not there, and for the first time we are fed up to the very throat.
    1. -1
      24 October 2021 18: 21
      The first appearance of Girkinv in Sloviansk was subsidized by your authorities on April 12, 2014, when he seized the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs there, and before that you yourself smashed and robbed warehouses with weapons and food supplies of military units throughout your "nenka" Nonsense from the manuals of your idiot Butusov. Remember how he spent the money you collected for the Maidan on drink, and then told everyone that he was robbed by Donbass "henchmen", and he drove around in the newest Mercedes and boasted to everyone about an expensive laptop.
    2. 0
      25 October 2021 15: 19
      What a liar, your lies won't go down your throat?
  11. -2
    24 October 2021 17: 57
    Ukraine's entry into NATO means the emergence of US nuclear missiles near Kharkov

    - Well, what ... - Russia can only guess; wait and guess ... - and then again - guess and wait ... - what exactly America (USA) wants to achieve from her ...
    - To ensure that Russia does not meddle in its own business, if NATO has a short military conflict with China ... - Or that China does not meddle in its own business ... -Ukrainian border ... - Yes, China will not get into this matter anyway ...
    - But China can perceive these American manipulations as "permission" (that the United States "gives it the go-ahead") to conduct an operation to seize Taiwan ...
    - And something like that is absolutely not "equivalent" ... - some pathetic American missiles on the Russian border, on the one hand ... - and the seizure of the whole of Taiwan by China - on the other hand ... - In this case, China remains "in debt "from the United States ... -" and the debt is good for payment ... " (and China will pretend that it does not concern it) ...
    - And Russia finds itself in a rather complicated disgusting situation ... - Russia cannot invade the territory of Ukraine, it cannot use strategists (heavy aviation); to use missiles of medium and small radius - also cannot ... - strikes on Kiev (which so many here ... here ... here dreamed so) - are canceled ... - And what remains ??? - And what remains is a frenzied artillery firefight across the border areas with the use of front-line aviation, UAVs; local tank battles and the use of motorized infantry of up to several divisions, etc. ... - And no parachute landings deep into enemy territory and invasions of foreign territory more than 100-150 km ... - and so on ad infinitum ...
    - So this local war with Ukraine will be waged practically "on equal terms" ... - And NATO will actively support Ukraine with "NATO limitrophes" (Balts, Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians, Czechs, etc.) ...
    - And the "real NATO" at this moment (after in the West this military conflict begins to go beyond the local ...
    - So Russia can only wait and guess ... - what the US (NATO) will actually do ... - Will old man Biden have enough courage to dare to do this ...
  12. AND
    +1
    24 October 2021 18: 26
    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    In the event of a war, it will not be protracted and maneuverable. Everything will be decided by the effectiveness of the first strike with high-precision weapons on control centers, perhaps even with non-nuclear weapons or low-yield nuclear weapons. A "torso" without a "head" poses no threat. Then a dilemma will arise - to respond with all available forces and means, i.e. start a global war, or be drawn into a maneuvering war with the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the European theater of operations in which the Russian Federation has minimal chances of success due to NATO's multiple advantages in economic, mobilization and military potential.
    NATO clearly proceeds from the fact that the Russian Federation will never dare to use the entire available arsenal of forces and means in response to an invasion with the use of operational-tactical nuclear weapons, and the Russian Federation gives a reason to think so by allowing it to violate its sea and air borders with impunity, simulate the delivery of nuclear strikes against their territory, non-resistance to rabid propaganda and the inability to protect their citizens abroad.

    Missiles will appear near Kharkov tomorrow, what should we do with this?

    Officially declare that the deployment of the RIAC on the territory of state formations adjacent to the Russian Federation - Finland, the Baltic state formations, Poland, Ukraine, Georgia and others - will be perceived as a threat with the right to launch a preemptive strike with the necessary forces and means to eliminate the threat.

    There is the cheapest option: One Sarmat for Poland, if they rock the boat, of course. The territory will of course be infected, but it will calm everyone at once. How will NATO fight through contaminated Poland? And to whom will the people of Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia go to Europe? The body needs to be chopped down the center. "Divide and rule". Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia will shut their mouths once and for all and will sit quieter than water, below the grass.
    1. -4
      24 October 2021 19: 36
      Quote: AND
      There is the cheapest option: One Sarmat for Poland,

      And you get one glass wasteland from St. Petersburg to Petropavlovsk. There is no understanding that the response will arrive instantly? fool
  13. AND
    0
    24 October 2021 18: 31
    Quote: gorenina91
    Ukraine's entry into NATO means the emergence of US nuclear missiles near Kharkov

    - Well, what ... - Russia can only guess; wait and guess ... - and then again - guess and wait ... - what exactly America (USA) wants to achieve from her ...
    - To ensure that Russia does not meddle in its own business, if NATO has a short military conflict with China ... - Or that China does not meddle in its own business ... -Ukrainian border ... - Yes, China will not get into this matter anyway ...
    - But China can perceive these American manipulations as "permission" (that the United States "gives it the go-ahead") to conduct an operation to seize Taiwan ...
    - And something like that is absolutely not "equivalent" ... - some pathetic American missiles on the Russian border, on the one hand ... - and the seizure of the whole of Taiwan by China - on the other hand ... - In this case, China remains "in debt "from the United States ... -" and the debt is good for payment ... " (and China will pretend that it does not concern it) ...
    - And Russia finds itself in a rather complicated disgusting situation ... - Russia cannot invade the territory of Ukraine, it cannot use strategists (heavy aviation); to use missiles of medium and small radius - also cannot ... - strikes on Kiev (which so many here ... here ... here dreamed so) - are canceled ... - And what remains ??? - And what remains is a frenzied artillery firefight across the border areas with the use of front-line aviation, UAVs; local tank battles and the use of motorized infantry of up to several divisions, etc. ... - And no parachute landings deep into enemy territory and invasions of foreign territory more than 100-150 km ... - and so on ad infinitum ...
    - So this local war with Ukraine will be waged practically "on equal terms" ... - And NATO will actively support Ukraine with "NATO limitrophes" (Balts, Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians, Czechs, etc.) ...
    - And the "real NATO" at this moment (after in the West this military conflict begins to go beyond the local ...
    - So Russia can only wait and guess ... - what the US (NATO) will actually do ... - Will old man Biden have enough courage to dare to do this ...

    The cheapest way to calm America down is to tear the underwater internet cables to shreds.
  14. +1
    24 October 2021 19: 01
    Well, and what is silent, this connoisseur of gateways? When will you hit first?
  15. AND
    -3
    24 October 2021 19: 46
    Quote: steel maker
    Well, and what is silent, this connoisseur of gateways? When will you hit first?

    When .... you are like a "(patriot)", you will be the first to know about it.
  16. +1
    24 October 2021 19: 51
    President Putin asks US ??? - "what should we do with this ???"
    But WE have to ask the President - "What did YOU think and did in 2014?"
    And it is President Putin who must tell US what he intends to do now,
    in connection with the accelerated military development of the territory of Ukraine by NATO?
    The President will not answer US or tell us anything.

    The Kremlin businessmen are absolutely not interested and do not care about the expansion of Turkey, Britain,
    USA, NATO expansion - in Ukraine, in the Caucasus, in Central Asia ...
    The Kremlin has only business projects EVERYWHERE.
    Business is POWER in Russia.
    1. +1
      25 October 2021 09: 15
      I agree with you.
      Hearing this from the President, you yourself lose the sense of reality
  17. AND
    0
    24 October 2021 19: 53
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Quote: AND
    There is the cheapest option: One Sarmat for Poland,

    And you get one glass wasteland from St. Petersburg to Petropavlovsk. There is no understanding that the response will arrive instantly? fool

    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Quote: AND
    There is the cheapest option: One Sarmat for Poland,

    And you get one glass wasteland from St. Petersburg to Petropavlovsk. There is no understanding that the response will arrive instantly? fool

    From whom otvetka izya? Russia will arrive? Who wants another end? Do not make me laugh? Your Israel has been erased with such success. Look at the map at once, find Israel and then Russia, smile.
    1. -2
      24 October 2021 20: 40
      The Americans will not think twice about using nuclear weapons against us if we strike first. The United States is the only country in world history that has repeatedly used nuclear weapons in a real war (Hiroshima and Nagasaki), the United States has 55 nuclear warheads in Turkey, the Incirlik base, less than a 10-minute flight to our Moscow and St. Petersburg. The US also has nuclear weapons in Belgium, Britain, Italy, France and 30 submarines, each with 24 nuclear missiles.



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    2. -2
      25 October 2021 00: 38
      You are dark and arrogant, Vasya. It happened more than once in the history of Russia that the Russians underestimated the enemy and raked them specifically. It's sad that you don't know history at all.

      Quote: AND
      Look at the map at once, find Israel and then Russia, smile.

      If you looked at my modest house and other real estate in Israel, an apartment in the United States, and then looked at your hut with all the amenities in the yard, then you would not have time for smiles, you would die of envy. And I'm not any richer - a normal representative of the middle class. bully
      1. +2
        25 October 2021 01: 26
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        If you looked at my modest house and other real estate in Israel, an apartment in the USA ...

        Binder! No one on this site needs your house or your apartment.

        Please! Don't turn this discussion into an advertisement for your depreciated property. hi
        1. +1
          25 October 2021 15: 25
          Funny. He boasted that he was already proud of himself ... and went to clean up after decent people. The attendants always boast so much. They are forgivable).
  18. AND
    -1
    24 October 2021 20: 54
    Not funny, from the word at all. The United States has nuclear missiles ,,, sii. Russia also has IRs. Who is scared? Russia will not think about whose nuclear missiles, if any. They will beat immediately at those who made the decision to shoot, at the American Pentagon, the CIA and ................ Please look at Putin's speech on this topic before you write. Thanks for the movie, Americans are good at making it, especially on the moon.
  19. -1
    24 October 2021 21: 15
    rare nonsense, isn't it easier to place missiles near Narva (estonia) ??? St. Petersburg is just a stone's throw away
    and the distance to Moscow is the same as from Kharkov. Moreover, Estonia is already in NATO and there is no need to fence anything
    1. +2
      24 October 2021 21: 43
      Why do you think they don't stand there?
      Why do you think that this direction is enough to start a war on the enemy?
      Why do you think that the missiles near Narva solve the issue of missiles near Kharkov for us?
  20. -4
    24 October 2021 22: 43
    You were the first to talk about a nuclear attack, let's remember that the United States was ready for the third world war in the Caribbean crisis of 1962, and it was our USSR (and the USSR was much stronger than Russia) that was defeated and took nuclear missiles from Cuba, also Putin's daughter lives in the Netherlands and now a citizen of the Netherlands, the Peskovs' children live in Europe (France and Great Britain), Lavrov's daughter and granddaughter are US citizens, live in Miami, this is just a small list of our patriots living in NATO countries. As for me, I hope that you become the president of Russia and send nuclear missiles (since you really want it), then within 5 minutes we will receive a retaliatory strike, let's remember that the USA has more than 2500 satellites, we have 150, the USA everyone sees from the sky



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      1. +1
        25 October 2021 10: 33
        Not "we", but they. That is, the USSR with the sworn communists at its head, do not put the newly-made capitalists on the same level with the USSR, they (the capitalists) are completely different. In the 90s, all the allies were taught to love democracy, they will not forget this for a long time.
        1. 0
          25 October 2021 10: 59
          Can you speak a little more?
        2. +1
          25 October 2021 11: 20
          I am still one of these - "they", in your opinion.
          The husks will fly off. The country itself will select the present for its future
          1. +1
            25 October 2021 11: 31
            After the Yeltsin coup, this very "husk" filled their pockets and headed the selection process. So, a goby on a string, where they will lead ...
            1. -1
              25 October 2021 12: 16
              The country knows how to get rid of garbage. Her story speaks about it.
              How she will do it this time - we do not yet know
              1. 0
                25 October 2021 13: 08
                Here milestones are laid in the direction of the monarchy, nobility and other beautiful life. Soon everyone in the nobles will rush, as before in managers and lawyers. I don’t feed on the holy spirit, I do not know ... What is there in the Kremlin still unable to decide where to go? Artful Moses laughing doing business.
                1. 0
                  26 October 2021 16: 25
                  I don’t know what is in the Kremlin, and whether the Kremlin is in control of the process. Rather, the opposite is true
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    2. -1
      25 October 2021 01: 53
      But since it became clear to me - who you are, I will add, Abakan, just in case:
      To be mistaken for a Russian (Russian):
      - do not abuse Western sources (dilute with Russian)
      - fewer advertisements like: "The USA sees everything from the sky"
      - more thought, if you can't - let it be, at least some (this is the most important thing)
      I remembered, by the way, a good anecdote about a Negro, whom you sent to Ukraine as a "garbage lad"
  21. 0
    24 October 2021 22: 56
    Let them enter, we will simply demolish the entire Ost-Europe with the atomic bombing of the nalys, along with the ukrami and katso.
    1. 0
      27 October 2021 14: 09
      this is, of course, a joke, no need to pay attention to NATO at all!
      1. +1
        27 October 2021 21: 09
        py si
        It is dangerous to get involved with NATO, they will even get involved in some kind of adventure like the Afghan one! They then fled across the ocean, and the crowd of emaciated Afghanoids is all on us!
  22. +6
    24 October 2021 23: 58
    Yes, nothing will happen, the United States will eventually deploy nuclear missiles in Ukraine and the Baltic states. Our Foreign Ministry will, as always, be concerned and issue more Chinese warnings. Along the perimeter of Russia's borders, where possible and where not, there will be US bases with air defense systems and nuclear missiles. It's called living with a pistol to your temple.
    1. +3
      25 October 2021 14: 50
      Much more terrifying is the American military biolaboratory along the perimeter of the Russian borders. In the hour "H" they can release such an infection that the consequences are unknown.
    2. 0
      25 October 2021 17: 37
      Your words, yes to the President's ears. Yes, deeper. To make it come at last
    3. 0
      25 October 2021 17: 48
      The fact is that it will be IMPOSSIBLE for the country to live normally in such conditions.
      This situation can only be changed through a war in a knowingly losing situation.
      The power all this time (20 years!) Wasted the resource of our FUTURE.
      And keeps on doing it
  23. -4
    25 October 2021 00: 32
    The US removed old obsolete missiles (PGM-19 Jupiter) and supplied new ones in 1963, the US has 50-55 nuclear missiles from the 1960s to the present, Russia has no nuclear missiles in Cuba. USA = 1, USSR = 0

    Russia Today Video Channel:



    1. 0
      25 October 2021 10: 04
      It's not about your missiles, it's about the fact that we broke the spine of your invulnerability back in 1962.
      It's about your fear for your ass
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  25. +1
    25 October 2021 02: 33
    Quote: BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine
    Let them enter, we will simply demolish the entire Ost-Europe with the atomic bombing of the nalys, along with the ukrami and katso.

    how are we going to send a nuclear missile to Miami when every fifth person is Russian? Lavrov's daughter and granddaughter live there, Peskov's current wife lived in Miami for 15 years, Valentina Tereshkova's daughter lives there (Valentina brought her there at a young age, but on television she says that the United States is a bad place to live, apparently not bad for her own families), etc.
    1. AND
      +1
      25 October 2021 13: 33
      Text for Abokan. For some reason, he does not write to whom the text belongs.
  26. +3
    25 October 2021 06: 37
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    Well, how will she enter there, with her unresolved territorial problems? The NATO Charter, as it were, does not allow admitting such “members”.

    Biden personally said that the charter is not a problem if you really want to.
  27. AND
    +1
    25 October 2021 08: 18
    The propagandist is driven by the water, it is their problem that they went to the enemies. Whoever needs it will return.
  28. AND
    +1
    25 October 2021 08: 26
    Don't confuse the meaning! America will only stick to itself; it will not use nuclear weapons against Russia for others. And if he uses his European nuclear power, he will get it on his own, it will not be enough. In war, they do not regret, you have more pity than the logic of a Euro-patriot-propagandist. America will pity you, go there caring. You confused the times, Caribbean 1962 and today is the 21st century. At 21 people are different.

    Do not forget to upload a video of what America and NATO were doing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and they really wanted to go back to Iran. How many people did they kill there?
    1. +1
      25 October 2021 10: 53
      today is the 21st century. At 21 people are different.

      Well, yes, loot wins everything! Monetizing relationships, business and nothing else.
      1. AND
        0
        25 October 2021 13: 39
        There are two guards, old and new, someone for money (evil) and someone for justice (truth-good). They say good will meet evil, so let's see what the people choose.
        1. -1
          26 October 2021 00: 26
          As presented, formulated, so the people will choose. Voting technologies are honed and digitized. Plus the recommendations of himself, plus a couple of one-time payments to pensioners and KOs, plus the Pamfilov calculation. Everything will be as recommended and instructed.
          They also voted for the USSR at one time, and? So, according to Stanislavsky ...
    2. +1
      25 October 2021 18: 22
      Abakan is an American (maybe even "Afro"). Here he pretends to be "his", naively tries to mislead people.
      The Cuban missile crisis is our victory, and theirs is a shameful page. In the 60s in the USSR there were people who had gone through the war, with "eggs of steel", as they say now.
      Read about the undisclosed present page of this crisis: https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5fe624c58b9da069054d7540/karibskii-krizis-tainik-s-orujiem-kotoroe-pobedilo-60b75136e8a8c866ff376596
  29. AND
    0
    25 October 2021 09: 02
    Don't confuse the meaning! America will only stick to itself; it will not use nuclear weapons against Russia for others. And if he uses his European nuclear power, he will get it on his own, it will not be enough. In war, they do not regret, you have more pity than the logic of a Euro-patriot-propagandist. America will pity you, go there caring. You confused the times, Caribbean 1962 and today is the 21st century. At 21 people are different.

    Do not forget to upload a video of what America and NATO were doing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and they really wanted to go back to Iran. How many people did they kill there?
  30. -2
    25 October 2021 15: 56
    For that fought for it and ran. And the USSR cannot be returned. And someone stubbornly does not want to understand this, and climbs with his idea of ​​a new (old) empire.
  31. 0
    2 November 2021 19: 40
    It is time for Putin to admit that his hope for the "brotherly people", "one people", etc., and the desire to conscientiate Ukraine and set it on the right path in August 2014 by order of the command of the Novorossiya army to stop the offensive on the completely defeated and demoralized Ukrainian Armed Forces was as Napoleon said, worse than betrayal, it was a mistake.
    It is necessary, sadly to say, to radically solve the problem of Ukraine - surgically. This "state" must be liquidated before the NATO countries put to a vote the question of Ukraine's admission to NATO.
    It is quite possible that the same decision will have to be made with regard to Georgia.