"It is necessary to judge for this": how the Russians reacted to the refusal of Lavrov and Shoigu from mandates to the State Duma

29 September 2021 58

After the parliamentary elections in Russia, which were won by United Russia, a number of key party figures resigned from their parliamentary mandates. Among them are key representatives of the top five of United Russia: Sergei Lavrov, Sergei Shoigu, Denis Protsenko and Elena Shmeleva.

The federal list of the "party of power" in the lower house of the legislative body of the Russian Federation is headed by Anna Kuznetsova, who will deal with issues of motherhood, childhood and family support. Lavrov and Shoigu, in particular, will remain in the posts of heads of the foreign policy and military departments of Russia, respectively.

Russians perceived ambiguously news on the refusal of the above persons from the Duma mandates. Here are some comments from readers of RIA Novosti and RT:

Why then did they nominate themselves if they didn’t plan to go to the State Duma, thus “throwing” their voters?

- asks Valery Kritik.

I wonder how much they sold their mandates for?

- asks serg1234serg.

After such actions, you need to arrange a second vote.

- Teymur Vasnetsov considers.

Yes, this should be tried as a fraud to deceive voters.

- offers info Agent.

It was immediately clear that they would choose those who are known to many residents of Russia in a positive way. At the same time, the bulk of the members of the United Russia will be hidden, since everyone is already tired of this party

- suggests Savely Ermakov.

They actually deceived the citizens of Russia, this is an unscrupulous act, to put it mildly

- says Alexey Ustinov.

In the districts of these nominees, new elections must be held, and without the participation of the parties whose representatives have refused mandates.

- such a proposal was expressed by Alex to Eustace.

All this is not at all surprising. In Russia, the deputy corps still does not decide anything

- the user with the speaking nickname "Nationalization of the Central Bank" notes pessimistically.

Legal deception of voters. By not accepting mandates, they made other people responsible for the fate of the legislature. And someone voted for them. But from the legal point of view, absolutely do not care about this "small" nuance

- posted by qwerty12345.

They are accustomed to working and not pressing buttons on command. But it still smells like deception (although it was obvious at the time of the list). It is necessary to change the practice of "exhibition" candidates. Those on the list have refused to work in the Duma, which means that the mandate is transferred not to party members, but to the next party. Then we will vote for those who actually go to parliament.

- suggested VID_rus.

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0

29 September 2021 15: 29

Sleight of hand and no fraud .......
1. Then
  
  +3
  
  29 September 2021 16: 06
  
  Quote: Bone
  Sleight of hand and no fraud .......
  
  And you want to say that they, Shoigu, Larov and others, that they somewhere publicly promised to enter the Duma as deputies? If someone thoughtlessly thought that this would be the case, then what is the fault of these "refuseniks"? I think that it is not at all bad for the Foreign Ministry and the defense to be commanded by people from the party that supports the president's line.
Alexndr p

+1

29 September 2021 15: 32

We did everything right. Mission accomplished. The opposition can moan and endure further.
The caravan continues to move. EP won the majority and no emo communist clowns will interfere with the will of the President)

They actually deceived the citizens of Russia, this is an unscrupulous act, to put it mildly

to put it mildly, such sad clowns can be free) Deception is when Grudinin is a communist and when Zyuganov bleats that a plant has not been built in 30 years

And someone voted for them.

Those who voted for them on the forums are not groaning now. Those who voted for the ruling party got what they expected. And our wet opposition groans, which voted for emo communists in conjunction with liberda

But these patient sad people can go back to their stall and whine from there. These creatures are no stranger)
1. Cyril
  
  -9
  
  29 September 2021 18: 30
  
  Those who voted for them on the forums are not groaning now. Those who voted for the ruling party got what they expected. And our wet opposition groans, which voted for emo communists in conjunction with liberda
  
  You and other voters spat in a pug with relish, wiping off the allocated mandates, and you and others like you just squealing happily, ask for more :) Good dog
  1. Alexndr p
    
    +3
    
    29 September 2021 18: 35
    
    You and other voters spat in a pug with relish
    
    I added 5 years to you to be patient, eccentric. you be patient further and push the minus, whine, write pee - in general, work out your daily struggle
    
    Good doggie
    
    you are very cocky. but a patient warrior with a mode)
    
    We need these. We need only such. Patient)
    1. Cyril
      
      -9
      
      29 September 2021 19: 06
      
      The whole irony of life lies in the fact, kid, that in the end you are the one who is patient :) Moreover, the best kind of terpily - agreeing to absolutely everything, rejoicing when they wipe them. People like you are used - and then thrown away as unnecessary.
      
      Well, the arrangement of minus and plus signs (and the latter you put to yourself) is exclusively your prerogative. Yours and people like you :) Just for your level of intelligence functional.
      1. Fourth
        
        -1
        
        29 September 2021 19: 13
        
        I gave him a plus, and a minus for you.
        
        Cyril
        
        -1
        
        1 October 2021 19: 39
        
        I don’t care, I’m not 5 years old.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. Ivan Semenov
        
        +1
        
        30 September 2021 14: 03
        
        We have seen enough of such "impatient" in Ukraine. For American money, they made a mess in the country and called it a revolution of dignity. They threatened to demolish any government. But several years have passed, the standard of living of the population has dropped significantly, dignity has somehow been transformed into tolerance. Visiting "guest workers" under the guise of reforms finish off the remnants of the economy, but the dignity in the heroes of the Maidan did not leap for some reason. They tolerate "impatient". And this is how your brothers-Russians will be if you tolerate your “impatients”.
        
        Alexndr p
        
        -1
        
        30 September 2021 14: 14
        
        And this is how your brothers-Russians will be if you tolerate your “impatients”.
        
        we have these animals put in a corner. their under-table birba applies only to posts full of pain on the forums.
        
        They see the next election results, publish another plaintive whine - well, then the same way - just like 20 years before that.
        
        Suffer, patient) Yes, and you yourself see everything on this branch and for 20 years. This is +5 years old - it doesn't cost anything at all. I give you a guarantee. In Russia, this substance is trained
  2. Fourth
    
    -1
    
    29 September 2021 18: 58
    
    Quote: Cyril
    You and other voters spat in a pug with relish ...
    
    Nobody spit on anyone. I agree to shift my responsibility for the choice of a deputy onto a person whom I trust. Normal move.
    1. Cyril
      
      0
      
      1 October 2021 20: 33
      
      I agree to shift my responsibility for the choice of a deputy onto a person whom I trust.
      
      This is the problem.
123

+2

29 September 2021 15: 40

Perhaps people are right about something and such a point of view has a right to exist, but ... I don't know who Protsenko and Shmeleva are, but Shoigu and Lavrov will definitely have no time to sit in the Duma.
1. Petr Vladimirovich
  
  +2
  
  29 September 2021 18: 48
  
  Hey! Protsenko is the head doctor of the 79 hospital, she is the main one in our village for covid.
  Spas already many thousands
2. Bitter
  
  0
  
  30 September 2021 11: 04
  
  ... there will be no time to sit in the Duma.
  
  Of course they didn't know about it?
  Maybe they just decided to hold a place for their protégés? The crisis of personnel, there was no one else to put up for the elections? It doesn't smell good, but it's okay. Everyone wins as best he can.
Bakht

+3

29 September 2021 15: 40

If they had rivals, then the mandates should be received by those who passed the second number.
In whose favor did they refuse?
1. Kristallovich
  
  -1
  
  29 September 2021 15: 56
  
  In favor of the party members, of course. The mandates were received by people from EdRa, for whom no one voted.
  1. Alexndr p
    
    +1
    
    29 September 2021 15: 57
    
    The mandates were received by people from EdRa, for whom no one voted.
    
    here they are, come dreamers.
    1. Kristallovich
      
      -1
      
      30 September 2021 14: 42
      
      The mandates of the representatives of the federal part of the United Russia list - the ministers of defense and foreign affairs Sergei Shoigu and Sergei Lavrov, as well as the head physician of the Kommunarka hospital Denis Protsenko and the head of the Talent and Success Foundation Elena Shmeleva - were transferred to candidates from United Russia from four regional groups. Shoigu's mandate went to the group for the Penza region, Lavrov - in the joint group for Crimea and Sevastopol, Protsenko - in the Krasnodar Territory, Shmelevoy - in the Sverdlovsk region.
  2. Bakht
    
    +4
    
    29 September 2021 15: 59
    
    I am not very well versed in the electoral process. Not only Russian, but also Azerbaijani. I was never interested in this issue, and in principle I voted once or twice. But it seems to me that not everything is so simple. There is an Election Law and it should be studied. I do not know on what lists and on what constituencies these .... candidates passed.
    Now I'm trying to skim the Law. No patience will be enough to read all this. While looking for Chapter 12.
    http://pravo.gov.ru/proxy/ips/?docbody=&nd=102171479
    1. Kristallovich
      
      -1
      
      29 September 2021 16: 07
      
      In case of refusal of the winning candidate from the federal part of the list (this is just Shoigu and Lavrov), the party has the right to propose a registered candidate from another regional group of candidates.
2. Alexndr p
  
  -1
  
  29 September 2021 15: 58
  
  If they had rivals, then the mandates should be received by those who passed the second number.
  
  why voting for the EP - my vote should be with their rivals? I voted for the party in power. If my vote would be thrown for the Liberal Democratic Party / Communist Party, this is a deception.
  1. Bakht
    
    +8
    
    29 September 2021 16: 01
    
    Cheating is going to elections, knowing that you do not need this mandate. And you will give it to someone who definitely has no chance to get through. In general, the Law says that a candidate according to party lists must (!) Withdraw his candidacy no more than 5 days before voting.
    1. Alexndr p
      
      0
      
      29 September 2021 16: 02
      
      there, the vote for the Party is given in the elections - and not specifically for Shoigu or Protsenko.
      Their names were not on the ballot
      1. Bakht
        
        +6
        
        29 September 2021 16: 03
        
        If the Party is confident in its positions, then such a focus was unnecessary. If there were no these candidates, would the Party have won the elections?
        
        Alexndr p
        
        -2
        
        29 September 2021 16: 04
        
        If the Party is confident in its positions
        
        then advertising is not needed, right? These faces reminded the Russians that United Russia is the party in power. Leading politicians and literate people fit in for the EP.
        
        It's like advertising. Any party invites media people to elections for greater coverage. United Russia invited the Minister of Defense. And someone invites Zverev, Prilepin and other Shnurov
        
        And the fact that they would hand over the mandates was clear to anyone. Shoigu has nothing to do in the State Duma. He has things to do. And Lavrov has not yet finished his high post.
        
        Bakht
        
        +7
        
        29 September 2021 16: 10
        
        Article 96 Replacement of vacant deputy mandates in a federal electoral district, exclusion of a registered candidate from the federal list of candidates admitted to the distribution of deputy mandates
        
        I do not know which constituency they were on, which list, party or federal. Was not interested.
        But in any case, this is unethical. In your case. You voted for the Party. So you don't care who exactly will be the deputy. Are you not interested in personalities?
        Do not misunderstand me. I am not a citizen of Russia and even in my own country I do not really like elections. Moreover, the deputies. But the act itself is unethical. Even if it conforms to the Law. I agree that this is voter deception. Many people vote not for the Party, but for the person. Therefore, in Parliaments there may be actors, singers, athletes or prostitutes (Italy). But this is the LEGISLATIVE body of the country.
        
        Alexndr p
        
        -4
        
        29 September 2021 16: 11
        
        Are you not interested in personalities?
        
        Certainly. I am interested in the general course. The course of the country under the EP - I am completely satisfied.
        
        Therefore, in Parliaments there may be actors, singers, athletes or prostitutes (Italy)
        
        Yes, and we can have this - it does not matter at all. Even if a prostitute (thief) turns out to be in the EP, it will not embarrass me in any way. Because she does not solve anything there.
        
        Personalities decide on another vote.
        
        Bakht
        
        +1
        
        29 September 2021 16: 14
        
        You know better.
        It’s good that I don’t elect deputies.
        
        Alexndr p
        
        -3
        
        29 September 2021 16: 14
        
        so he sang to himself) Life and not so can joke on such clowns
        
        Bakht
        
        +2
        
        29 September 2021 16: 15
        
        I don’t mind. Good films were Radio Day and Election Day
        
        Alexndr p
        
        -2
        
        29 September 2021 16: 18
        
        servant of the people also say the series is nothing) But it turned out the way it happened
        
        Bakht
        
        +1
        
        29 September 2021 16: 20
        
        The servant of the people began to look. I didn’t finish it. Did not like.
        
        A.Lex
        
        +4
        
        29 September 2021 19: 17
        
        The whole world is watching this series ... Its second name is "Ukraine" ... Everyone is watching and very few people like it ... But in order to stop it, this series, you will have to immediately think - WHERE IS THERE SO MANY NAZIS? And there are VERY few of them!
        
        Fourth
        
        -1
        
        29 September 2021 18: 34
        
        Well? Let us assume that we are taught this way to elective wisdom. I agree to shift my responsibility for the choice of a deputy onto a person whom I trust. Such as Lavrov, for example.
    2. shiva
      
      +2
      
      29 September 2021 22: 02
      
      The leader of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia Vladimir Zhirinovsky refused the deputy mandate of the Duma of the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug (Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug (KhMAO - Yugra) of the seventh convocation). This was reported in the press service of the district election commission, writes TASS.
      
      Also, the Ugra election commission received a statement from the deputy of the Tyumen Regional Duma Artem Zaitsev, who refused the mandate of the deputy of the Duma.
      
      According to the press service, the mandate of the Liberal Democratic Party leader will be transferred to the chairman of the party faction in Ugra, Viktor Sysun.
      
      Earlier, Vladimir Zhirinovsky refused his deputy mandate in the State Council of Chuvashia. It was given to Konstantin Stepanov. The CEC clarified that the reason for this was the personal statement of the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party, who refused the mandate of the State Council of Chuvashia in connection with his election as a deputy of the State Duma.
      
      And let's deny Zhirinovsky the privileges of a State Duma deputy - and let him be a deputy in Chuvashia!
      From the outside it looks like - I will still get through, even through a hole in the fence.
3. Boa kaa
  
  +5
  
  29 September 2021 16: 21
  
  Quote: Bakht
  mandates should be received by those who got the second number.
  In whose favor did they refuse?
  
  Bakhtiyar, in addition to the first four, another 60 people refused mandates ... (media today). Therefore, the question is: who will represent the ruling party in parliament? and what are they like "unknown snowdrops"? And you can even teach a monkey to press the buttons at the direction of the center. They just don't want to accept my proposal: ZP of the deputy db. doubled from the previous job. This is so that the trough is covered and the chosen ones think about the people, and not about their own pockets.
  1. Bakht
    
    +6
    
    29 September 2021 16: 26
    
    So I am FOR with both hands. I have been saying for ten or fifteen years that the salary of a deputy (I am more humane than you) should be no more than three salaries on the average countrywide. If the deputies want to receive more, they must raise the average salary of their voters.
    Otherwise, our deputies were given cars, personal computers, assistants, and a pension of 80% of the deputy's salary. A rhetorical question in the astral plane "why do servants live better than masters"?
    1. Alexndr p
      
      -2
      
      29 September 2021 16: 28
      
      The salary of a deputy should be (I am more humane than you) no more than three salaries AVERAGE IN THE COUNTRY
      
      then any plumber from Germany will be able to buy a Russian (or your) deputy. Well, if not a plumber, then a master from a car service - for sure. Even the resource of intelligence and black cash will not be needed.
      
      You are looking at everything a little more globally.
      
      Otherwise, our deputies were given cars, personal computers, assistants, and a pension of 80% of the deputy's salary
      
      they would have gotten theirs anyway. If the state gives them little, they will figure out what to do about it, having the opportunity.
      
      We are all human. And the deputies are especially cunning, as is usually the case. It is not necessary to do so - so that the politicians of your (our) state would feel insecure about financial opportunities.
      
      They will find the money anyway. The main thing is not to have foreign intelligence or some kind of landfill kings (to push through a ban on the construction of waste processing plants, for example)
      
      In general, the topic is family continuity and dynasties in politics. - then it will be dumb to steal. As well as ordering the study of anal fissures or some other game.
      
      That is why the elite of England looks at our oligarchs with their billions - as wonderful Papuans - who can be milked. They feel their superiority over this stealing servants)
      1. Bakht
        
        +5
        
        29 September 2021 16: 50
        
        then any plumber from Germany will be able to buy a Russian (or your) deputy.
        
        This is the crux of the problem. When they vote for the Party, and not for the person. I once read the book of Titus Livius "History of Rome".
        There are no such people.
        
        And at this time, the flaming of Quirin and the Vestal Maidens, forgetting about their own property, consulted which of the sacred objects should be taken with them, and which should be left, for there was no strength to carry everything away. Pondering where to find the most reliable Ukrainians, they thought it best to put them in barrels and bury them in a chapel near the dwelling of the Flamin Quirin, where now the sacred custom forbids spitting. They divided the rest of the cargo among themselves and carried it across the Pile Bridge on the road leading to the Janiculum. A line of people unfit for military service stretched from the City. In the crowd of others, a certain Roman plebeian Lucius Albinus took away his wife and children in a cart. In the middle of the bridge, he noticed the Vestals. Even in such circumstances the difference between the divine and the earthly was not forgotten: Considering it a sacrilege for the state priestesses to walk on foot and carry the shrines of the Roman people in their hands, while his family rides in a cart in front of everyone, Albin ordered his wife and children to get off, placed vestals with shrines on a cart and brought them to Caere, where the priestesses headed.
        
        A.Lex
        
        +1
        
        29 September 2021 19: 51
        
        Bakhtiyar, PARTIES are not about the people at all. If earlier the party, at the very least (the CPSU), somehow at least worked for the people, then the current parties - making money by participating in the party. ALL parties that are in the Duma - sit on the country's budget. Someone to a lesser extent, someone to a greater extent, BUT EVERYTHING.
        That is why there will be no sense. And in general - the time of the parties is over. Nowadays, the political personality is important, and not a bunch of eaters of the country's budget. They DO NOT know how to do ANYTHING WITH HANDS. All their work is to grind with their tongues, to a greater extent useless, and puff out their cheeks from their importance.
        I was most surprised not by the refusal of Shoigu and Lavrov, but by their participation in general. It is clearly seen that both, in their essence, are leaders. Moreover, leaders who do not need an entourage (in the form of a party)! Such as they are quite capable of being the leader of the COUNTRY, and they ... in the party. Sheer idiocy, from which they came out in this way. Once again - I was VERY MUCH surprised by their participation in the party in general! They had to go to the presidential elections (especially Shoigu), and not to the Duma!
radvas

-1

29 September 2021 16: 43

Normal policy. What a thought, such is the attitude to mandates. In their ministries, they will bring much more benefit to the country.
Valentine

-2

29 September 2021 17: 35

Are we guys so stupefied that we didn't know why this "landing" was being done? It used to be called storming, or a breakthrough, when the most respected specialists in their various guises were thrown into some big and important business for a short period of time. Of the five, Shoigu was the very "first number", whom most of our people simply respect for his perseverance and hard work , after all, to raise the former "firefighter", the worn-out Civil Defense, (GO) and again revive our army, which Gorbachev and Yeltsin turned into a "Walk the Pole" - you need to be able to, the second was Lavrov, who "neither this way, nor that", well and the third was the doctor Protsenko, who, by the will of the pandemic, became a celebrity, and the rest of the couple, so, dark horses, but by chance they also got to the pinnacle of power. And at the elections, their appearance to the people there had very little effect on the outcome of our expression of will, so the EdRo party and the government not in vain benefited almost 40 million pensioners for 10 thousand rubles, and 19 million families with children received 10-15-20 thousand, and not in one month, so this is the reason for the multi-percentage of EdRo, no matter how they call it, but they made their right move, after all, both children and pensioners need money, and this is not carrots and beets to be handed out to Muscovites at the Zhirinovsky market. ... So you don't need to grin your teeth at Kozhugetovich, etc., they acted like real men, and each of them looks great in their old place.
Jacques sekavar

+2

29 September 2021 18: 13

If this is true, the refusal to part with their homes after being elected to the Duma shames them, the party that nominated them, the State Duma, the electoral system and the state as a whole.
1. Valentine
  
  -2
  
  29 September 2021 18: 50
  
  You should sit in your place like Shoigu sits, but wherever there, it needs brains, not sawdust.
Cyril

+1

29 September 2021 18: 53

In general, in an amicable way, it would be necessary to prohibit persons belonging to the executive branch of government from participating in elections to the legislative branch. Otherwise, such freaks will continue. If they "really work" in their places, then let them continue to do just that. If they want to go into politics, let them vacate their jobs.

Well, yes, the "party of power" had a bench press because of the unexpectedly strengthened positions, so they pulled this simple, but rather effective trick, once again fooling their own voters. However, some voters like to smear someone else's saliva, so it's hard to blame EDRO for this.
1. shiva
  
  +1
  
  29 September 2021 22: 23
  
  And here's a plus for you. Right. Any party can use popular faces for their posters. This is a normal political game.
  And now count up - on the poster of EP Ksyusha Sobchak, of course the world has turned upside down, if this happens, but - you can hang any face on the poster, even Chikatilo. But this is the face of the party. Of course, an erysipelas should attract voters. It is an idol that is worshiped. But there is a law! Election law and so on. And if the government goes against the law to strengthen its position, the government is illegitimate!
  Ay, lawyers! How is it in the laws - is it possible to be elected on a single mandate throughout the country? Can a minister be elected as a deputy? These are different branches of government that do not intersect in any way! Probably it is possible, but he will have to resign as minister. Do the voters completely fail to understand this?
  If, in order to saturate the ballots with attractive faces, it was necessary to sacrifice those who will definitely not go to the Duma, they are busy with other important things, which means that the authorities have no other attractive faces.
  It is sad.
  Okay, there were no riots and revolutions, and thank God.
Mihail55

+1

29 September 2021 19: 50

Circus and more! In the USSR, the presence of deputy crusts did not add to the bureaucrats' worries, meetings were short-term and formal. Nowadays, the gatherings are longer and the procedures of all kinds are immeasurable! Why is this mess ??? Will we become a country of pros, not talkers ???,
Sergey Latyshev

+2

30 September 2021 00: 05

This is all slyness - they "reacted", all the non-EROS talked about it in advance, that it will be so.
Only naive people believed and wrote that Shoigu, as a deputy, would go to build cities in Siberia.

The technology of deceiving and dragging unpopular PZhV into the Duma, such as Valuev or Butina, has been worked out 100 years ago, back in the capitalist foreign land - "Steam locomotive"
Siberian southerner

-3

30 September 2021 07: 49

They are good in their places, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Military District of the Russian Federation.
assault 2019

0

30 September 2021 10: 27

You just need to annul those voting bills in which people voted for these candidates.
The United Russia party should be removed from the elections for using dummy candidates.
They would have done just that with other parties!
1. Alexndr p
  
  -4
  
  30 September 2021 12: 49
  
  You just need to annul those voting bills in which people voted for these candidates.
  
  The United Russia party should be removed from the elections for using dummy candidates.
  
  you pretended to be a Russian, but you never found out that these candidates were not on the ballot
  So you might as well take yourself out of the election
  
  although you can't - you don't even know what kind of vote was, because, apparently, you are writing to us from the Ukrainian maneuver
steelmaker

0

30 September 2021 17: 50

Everything is written correctly. I support!
Vladimir Mamkin

+2

30 September 2021 20: 30

Putin put them to take votes from other candidates, the Moor has done his job, the Moor can leave.
Pilot

+2

30 September 2021 22: 44

Right. Take offense. Diluted you. I did not vote for EP. I was not divorced.
Havana

+2

1 October 2021 08: 05

A State Duma deputy and a minister of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Ministry of Defense are not comparable things. What should they do in the Duma, among ... non-professionals in business and who can only push speeches? This is not rational. I didn’t even think that they would be in the Duma, they were in their place and that they were not in the spirit of sitting their pants.
Sergey Novitsky

0

3 October 2021 10: 39

If we assume that this "scam" was invented for the good, prosperity and stability of Russia, then I am for, the confrontation of the Great Russian Empire with the Anglo-Saxons after the "collapse" of the USSR escalated, there is a real war to destroy the Russian World, albeit "cold", but in war - all methods are good.
shogun live

-1

3 October 2021 16: 08

this is a success, Medvedev is the head of the party without a mandate and these are gone .... what to say zrada