Lavrov acknowledged the existence of PMCs in Russia, which are prohibited by law

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The authorities of the African state of Mali turned to a Russian private military company for help in the fight against terrorists. This was announced on September 25 by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov during a conversation with media representatives on the sidelines of the 76th UN General Assembly in New York.

France wants to significantly reduce its military contingent, which was there and was supposed, as everyone understood, to fight terrorists

- Lavrov clarified, adding that the French did not succeed.



The minister explained that the Malian authorities had modestly assessed their own capabilities, and since the French, who had promised to help them in eradicating terrorism, began to reduce support, the Malians turned to the Russians.

As the Malian authorities assessed their own capabilities as insufficient without external support, they turned to a private military company from Russia

- declared Lavrov.


It should be noted that an extremely tense situation has developed in Mali. So alarming that Mali's Prime Minister Shogel Kokalla Maiga spoke about it directly from the UN rostrum. He honestly said that his country felt abandoned by France, so Bamako was looking for other military assistance and turned to a Russian PMC.

We were to a certain extent abandoned in the middle of the flight. This forces us to explore ways and means to better ensure our security, on our own or with other partners.

- pointed out the head of the government of Mali, explaining that "it is necessary to fill the gap."

We remind you that on June 10, French President Emmanuel Macron announced that Paris was ending its military operation "Barkhan" in the Sahel, which had lasted since 2014. France has deployed 5 of its military to fight terrorists in Mali, Burkina Faso, Mauritania, Niger and Chad. The French should be replaced by an international anti-terrorist alliance.

In turn, the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov said that there were no Russian military in Mali and that Moscow was not conducting any official negotiations on this matter. Note that Lavrov acknowledged the existence of illegal PMCs in the Russian Federation. According to Russian legislation, only private security companies (PSCs) are allowed in the country, the work of which is significantly different. Moreover, in Russia, mercenary activity is a criminal offense in accordance with Article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
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    1. Petr Vladimirovich
      Petr Vladimirovich
      +1
      26 September 2021 16: 50
      Here's what's interesting. Chopovtsy are in the network and in hospitals.
      And abroad, the type is impossible.
      If there are career officers, share your opinion
      1. Kristallovich
        Kristallovich
        +1
        26 September 2021 18: 28
        A private security company is a security organization. And PMCs are fighting. To put it mildly, they are not the same thing.
        1. Volga073
          Volga073
          0
          26 September 2021 19: 48
          Unconvincing ..
          1. Kristallovich
            Kristallovich
            +1
            26 September 2021 19: 54
            Unconvincing ..

            Argumented ..
      2. guleg
        guleg
        +1
        27 September 2021 08: 27
        Did you see the familiar letter H in both abbreviations and decide that they are the same thing? wassat
        Private security enterprise and private military company is not the same thing. The second, in fact, small private army... They are united only by the word private. PMC employees will not stand in supermarkets or in a bank. Their business is much more serious. Escorting highly valuable cargo, protecting oil platforms and ships from pirates, ensuring the security of dignitaries' summits, guarding embassies, military logistics, gathering intelligence information and strategic analytics, direct participation in military conflicts.

        All private military companies can be divided into four groups:

        1. Companies providing military services. Basically, these companies were and are accused of mercenary activities.

        2. Military consulting companies. They are engaged in strategic planning, reforming the armed forces, direct training of various army units.

        3. Companies engaged in military logistics. Their activity is to provide logistical support for troops, in the construction of military facilities and in the maintenance of complex weapons systems.

        4. Private security companies. This can lead amateurs to resemble a private security company, but completely different levels of provision of these services, and completely different consumers.
    2. 123
      123
      +4
      26 September 2021 18: 10
      Lavrov admitted the existence of illegal private military companies in Russia

      Did you yourself determine the illegality of the PMC or who helped?
      Or is it just burning about the departure of the Franco-German-Estonian invaders to their homeland?
      1. Kristallovich
        Kristallovich
        -1
        26 September 2021 18: 27
        PMCs are banned in the Russian Federation by law
        1. 123
          123
          0
          26 September 2021 19: 49
          PMCs are banned in the Russian Federation by law

          Can you tell me the number of the law? And when Mali got into Russian jurisdiction, if possible.
          1. Kristallovich
            Kristallovich
            0
            26 September 2021 19: 53
            Can you tell me the number of the law?

            359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

            And when Mali got into Russian jurisdiction, if possible.

            And in Russia, do we have immunity from crimes committed abroad?
            1. 123
              123
              0
              26 September 2021 20: 14
              359 of the Criminal Code
              1. Recruitment, training, financing or other material support of a mercenary, as well as his use in an armed conflict or hostilities

              http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_10699

              Who is our mercenary? Who established the fact?

              And in Russia, do we have immunity from crimes committed abroad?

              Will there be a list of crimes? Or do you think that the squeezing out of the European colonialists from Africa is such?
              1. Kristallovich
                Kristallovich
                0
                26 September 2021 20: 18
                Who is our mercenary? Who established the fact?

                Well, I have nothing to talk about with a member of the sect of those who refuse to believe in the involvement of Russian PMCs in hostilities.

                Will there be a list of crimes?

                Mercenary is already a crime. And it doesn't matter where you worked as this mercenary. If you are a citizen of the Russian Federation, you are subject to jurisdiction in the Russian Federation.
                1. 123
                  123
                  +1
                  26 September 2021 20: 26
                  Well, I have nothing to talk about with a member of the sect of those who refuse to believe in the involvement of Russian PMCs in hostilities.

                  You have the opportunity to write a statement to the prosecutor's office and state the available facts. Otherwise in Sportloto.

                  Mercenary is already a crime. And it doesn't matter where you worked as this mercenary. If you are a citizen of the Russian Federation, you are subject to jurisdiction in the Russian Federation.

                  As I understand it, in this case, the alleged crime is being committed in Mali. Official authorities confirm the fact?
                  1. Kristallovich
                    Kristallovich
                    -1
                    26 September 2021 20: 31
                    As I understand it, in this case, the alleged crime is being committed in Mali. Official authorities confirm the fact?

                    In Mali, there are militants with whom the French fought. Now they are gone. The Malians, assessing their own capabilities, decided to call Russia. Instead of the French, ours will now fight. If this causal relationship is too complicated for you, let me know in PM, I will write in syllables.
                2. isofat
                  isofat
                  0
                  26 September 2021 20: 35
                  Why are you fooling people? I read Art. 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, not a single word about PMCs!

                  And this note:

                  1. Kristallovich
                    Kristallovich
                    0
                    26 September 2021 20: 40
                    I read art. 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, not a single word about PMCs!

                    For that, there are many words about mercenary activities. We already know who the mercenaries are. Individuals, in particular citizens of the Russian Federation, participate in armed conflicts in Syria, Libya, Sudan, Mali for material reward. They act in an organized manner. Such organizations are called PMCs.
                    1. isofat
                      isofat
                      0
                      26 September 2021 20: 53
                      Quote: Kristallovich
                      Such organizations are called PMCs.

                      Your definition of a PMC, where did you unearth it? laughing
                    2. isofat
                      isofat
                      0
                      26 September 2021 21: 00

                      Does this definition not suit you? laughing
                      1. Kristallovich
                        Kristallovich
                        0
                        26 September 2021 21: 11
                        And how is your definition different from mine?
                        1. isofat
                          isofat
                          0
                          26 September 2021 21: 40
                          Quote: Kristallovich
                          And how is your definition different from mine?

                          It differs in its content, it is even inconvenient for me to tell you such obvious things ... smile
                        2. tulip
                          tulip
                          0
                          28 September 2021 13: 48
                          It's funny to watch how you are trying to pull gray to the hard))) PMCs do not fall under mercenary activities in any way - they are ordinary private security structures that work under agreements with officials from different countries. Now, if you have facts that Russian PMCs work for unrecognized or terrorist organizations, participate in coups, then please bring them. Your efforts are simply legally null and void)))
                        3. Kristallovich
                          Kristallovich
                          -1
                          28 September 2021 13: 56
                          PMCs work for unrecognized or terrorist organizations, participate in coups

                          Note that it was not me who wrote this.
                        4. guleg
                          guleg
                          -2
                          28 September 2021 14: 05
                          Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
                          Your efforts are just legally null and void

                          you don't even have any attempts. In nothing and nowhere. Another representative of the very bottom of the "xsperds", who does not calm down and tries to break through the bottom once again, trying to set a record in the nomination "the stupidest commentary"
                    3. Bakht
                      Bakht
                      +3
                      26 September 2021 22: 37
                      Purely legal side of the issue. Are you sure there are mercenaries operating in Mali?
                      The fact is that, according to international law, a mercenary and a combatant are different people. And the military in Mali may not be mercenaries. Even if they are not citizens of the country and receive money for their activities.
                      USA, UK and Russia did not sign International Convention against the Recruitment, Use, Financing and Training of Mercenaries
                      Regarding private companies, Putin calls them private security companies. That is, officially they are not PMCs, but private security companies. The same Wagner is nowhere registered in the Russian Federation as a legal entity. And if they do not violate the laws of the Russian Federation, then they have the right to work, to push their business interests anywhere in the world. These are the words of the President of Russia.
                      1. Bakht
                        Bakht
                        +4
                        26 September 2021 22: 56
                        Article 208 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation
                        Part 2. Participation in an armed formation not provided for by federal law, as well as participation in an armed formation on the territory of a foreign state, not provided for by the legislation of this state, for purposes contrary to the interests of the Russian Federation-

                        shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of eight to fifteen years with restraint of liberty for a term of one to two years.

                        Strictly speaking, this article legalizes the activities of citizens of the Russian Federation in other states. Even if Wagner is not provided for by federal law, the government of Mali officially recruits citizens of the Russian Federation. Their activities are recognized by the government of Mali, do not contradict the interests of the Russian Federation, and they are not mercenaries, but combatants. By definition of UN documents.
                3. Bitter
                  Bitter
                  +3
                  26 September 2021 21: 03
                  The law is that the drawbar, where you turn ...
                  Everything as usual. You can understand this, citizens joining this PMC from Singapore, at the same time receive its citizenship. Then, upon completion of the contract, the exact same process in the opposite direction. Pure formality. "Everybody does it." Indeed, on their territory, the authorities of the Russian Federation will certainly not tolerate such an education, because you never know what.
                  Normal, quite sane.
      2. oderih
        oderih
        -4
        27 September 2021 06: 49
        Lavrov is tired, let him retire to the Duma. Wrote with one finger
      3. guleg
        guleg
        -3
        27 September 2021 08: 36
        Quote: 123
        Or is it just burning

        always burns with you, from cognitive dissonance.
        There is no law on PMCs in Russia. Several times they tried to push him through the Duma, but each time the bill was broken off. But there is responsibility for the mercenary - as you have already pointed out. article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. It is against her that they initiate cases and pass sentences. So, it was under this article that the leaders of the Slavic Corps PMC, Vadim Gusev and Yevgeny Sidorov, received their real terms for recruiting mercenaries and their participation in hostilities in Syria.
        1. 123
          123
          0
          27 September 2021 12: 08
          There is no law on PMCs in Russia. Several times they tried to get him through the Duma, but each time the bill was broken off. But there is responsibility for the mercenary - as you have already pointed out. article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

          I have already suggested to the author a statement and to the prosecutor's office to write, you are also not forbidden. Otherwise, you are in Sportloto with your own conclusions.

          It is against her that they initiate cases and pass sentences. So, it was under this article that the leaders of the Slavic Corps PMC, Vadim Gusev and Yevgeny Sidorov, received their real terms for recruiting mercenaries and their participation in hostilities in Syria.

          You missed some details winked

          In October last year, they were sentenced to three years in prison for sending 2013 former Russian military personnel to Syria in 250. which supposedly were supposed to protect energy facilities... But when you find yourself there, people were subordinate to one of the field commanders fighting against government forces.

          https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2645963

          If they guarded the facilities and did not get to the militants, everything would be great.
          1. guleg
            guleg
            -2
            27 September 2021 12: 23
            Quote: 123
            I have already suggested to the author a statement and to the prosecutor's office to write, you are also not forbidden.

            You have been pointed out to reality. The fact that the harsh Russian reality does not correspond to your rosy dreams is your problem.

            Quote: 123
            If they guarded the facilities and did not get to the militants, everything would be great.

            If my grandmother had ... she would be a grandfather. If people did not break the law, they would not be held accountable. Yours if it is out of place here.

            The fact is that there is no legislative framework in the field of PMCs in Russia. Then everything would be more or less clear and would not have to swim in troubled water. As I said, they tried to push through the law several times, but to no avail. Both the military department and the government opposed this. The whole question here is who will control the PMC. After all, in fact, it is a small army. Whom to hand it over, which department to make it even stronger? As soon as this issue is resolved, everything will be so.
            1. Bulanov
              Bulanov
              +1
              27 September 2021 15: 31
              The whole question here is who will control the PMC. After all, in fact, it is a small army. Whom to hand it over, which department to make it even stronger?

              And what agency in the United States controls their PMCs?
              1. guleg
                guleg
                -2
                27 September 2021 15: 44
                Quote: Bulanov
                And what agency in the United States controls their PMCs?

                In the United States, the provision of military services is regulated by the Arms Export Control Act, licenses PMCs and controls the firm's performance on a contract by the Department of State.
                1. Bulanov
                  Bulanov
                  0
                  27 September 2021 15: 47
                  oversees the firm's performance on a contract Department of State

                  That is, the American Lavrov? So he put in a word on this issue ...
            2. 123
              123
              0
              27 September 2021 15: 50
              You have been pointed out to reality. The fact that the harsh Russian reality does not correspond to your rosy dreams is your problem.

              The reality is a statement to the prosecutor's office about the crime, everything else is nonsense of Svidomo's inflamed fantasy.

              If my grandmother had ... she would be a grandfather. If people did not break the law, they would not be held accountable. Yours if it is out of place here.

              That's right, they violated it and answered for it. There's a link above, read the details. They sat down not because the private traders went to Syria, but because they sent people to the militants as mercenaries.

              The fact is that there is no legislative framework in the field of PMCs in Russia. Then everything would be more or less clear and would not have to swim in troubled water. As I said, they tried to push through the law several times, but to no avail. Both the military department and the government opposed this. The whole question here is who will control the PMC. After all, in fact, it is a small army. Whom to hand it over, which department to make it even stronger? As soon as this issue is resolved, everything will be so.

              What do you care about our legal framework? Do you think they are breaking the law? Here's a link, go for it. You can state all your arguments there.
              https://epp.genproc.gov.ru/web/gprf/internet-reception/personal-receptionrequest
          2. guleg
            guleg
            -2
            27 September 2021 12: 27
            Quote: 123
            You missed some details

            these details do not affect the essence.

            Quote: 123
            In October last year, they were sentenced to three years in prison for sending 2013 former Russian military personnel to Syria in 250, who were supposedly supposed to guard energy facilities. But when you find yourself there

            they learned that before guarding, this object must first be recaptured from the militants. The fact remains - participated in hostilities
            1. 123
              123
              +1
              27 September 2021 15: 58
              these details do not affect the essence.

              They also influence, which is why you stubbornly do not talk about them.

              they learned that before guarding, this object must first be recaptured from the militants. The fact remains - participated in hostilities

              Will there be a link to the source? Or are you ashamed to shine on the forehead press?
              According to Kommersant, everything was somewhat different.

              They promised the retirees that for several thousand dollars a month they would guard energy facilities in the oil-rich regions of the country. Thus, according to the investigation, they managed to recruit 250 former military personnel, who were transported to Syria in the summer of 2013.
              There they were placed at a military base in the city of Latakia, which is under the control of one of the field commanders fighting against the forces of President Bashar al-Assad. It was from them that the Russian military had to fight off, guarding the approaches to the city of Deir ez-Zor, which is considered the center of oil production in Syria. All this caused the discontent of the Russians, but they could not leave the country, since their documents were taken away from them. Only in mid-October did the former military men manage to return to Russia in full force, but FSB officers met them at the plane's ramp.

              The link is above, but I can repeat.
              https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2645963
              From which astral plane you get the information of the riddle.
              1. guleg
                guleg
                -2
                27 September 2021 16: 16
                https://topwar.ru/36071-posledniy-boy-slavyanskogo-korpusa.html

                Deir ez-Zor and its surroundings at that time were in the hands of militants, the battles for it continued until 2016. In order to guard something there, it had to be fought off first. You could know this yourself, if you were in the subject, and without any links.
                Naturally, no one informed the UK fighters of this until the moment they arrived in the SAR. The details, of course, are interesting details, but again: this does not change the essence. Sidorov and Gusev were found guilty of mercenary activity by the Lefortovo Court of Moscow and received three years in prison. By 359
                1. 123
                  123
                  0
                  27 September 2021 17: 36
                  Great source !!! good

                  We went to defend the oil fields, and when we arrived, it turned out that these fields still needed to be recaptured. And when our guys were smart enough not to get involved in this massacre, they were simply and shamelessly "surrendered" to the militants, and they tried to surround and destroy a group of Russians from mortars and small arms. This is not our war, not our country, this is pure mercenarism, but the people who went there are not to blame, they did not fully realize that they were not in a beautiful fairy tale, but in the places where the fighter lives on average for 2 - 3 weeks.

                  And how can such a conclusion be drawn from this?

                  they learned that before guarding, this object must first be recaptured from the militants. The fact remains - participated in hostilities

                  This is some sort of Svidomo perverted logic. People went to guard the object when they realized that they had been set up, they refused to participate. the picture there is also wonderful.


                  What does a Hong Kong office have to do with Russia? What are your arguments whether Russia has a legal framework for PMCs?

                  Sidorov and Gusev were found guilty of mercenary activity by the Lefortovo Court of Moscow and received three years in prison. By 359

                  Quite right and right. They set up people, unbeknownst to them, they signed them up as mercenaries.
                  1. guleg
                    guleg
                    -1
                    28 September 2021 13: 54
                    Quote: 123
                    What does a Hong Kong office have to do with Russia?

                    Registered in Hong Kong. Russian citizens. Who are (and have incurred) responsibility under the laws of the Russian Federation for what they did. This is just an i-diot cannot understand
                    If they did not have Russian citizenship, they would not have fallen under the jurisdiction of the Russian system. For example, they would receive US citizenship, issue a license at the State Department, and everything would be tip-top. In the United States there is a law on PMCs, moreover, the State Department is making every effort to smear PMC employees even if they shoot at civilians. as it was in Iraq with "specialists" from Blackwater
                    1. 123
                      123
                      0
                      28 September 2021 16: 58
                      Well, since there are no more disagreements on other issues, let's analyze the "office".

                      Registered in Hong Kong. Russian citizens. Who are (and have incurred) responsibility under the laws of the Russian Federation for what they did. This is just an i-diot cannot understand

                      Who to which country and what registers no one cares, people sat down for a specific crime, and not for the fact that they registered a company and worked. Only (you have it written above who) does not understand this. It is pointless to argue about whether Russia has a legal framework for PMCs.

                      For example, they would receive US citizenship, issue a license at the State Department, and everything would be tip-top. In the United States there is a law on PMCs, moreover, the State Department is making every effort to smear PMC employees even if they shoot at civilians. as it was in Iraq with "specialists" from Blackwater

                      Not surprisingly, the United States is a vile garbage dump, for them the killing of civilians is nothing. This is not expected in our country.
                      1. guleg
                        guleg
                        -3
                        28 September 2021 17: 27
                        Quote: 123
                        people sat down for a specific crime

                        what you are told. But you "disassemble" everything

                        Quote: 123
                        It is pointless to argue about whether Russia has a legal framework for PMCs

                        naturally, it makes no sense to argue about what is not. There is no law on PMCs in Russia. Therefore, your attempts look at least strange.

                        Quote: 123
                        Not surprisingly, the United States is a vile garbage dump, for them the killing of civilians is nothing.

                        you were not told about that. PMCs are in the law, moreover, they act in the interests of the Pentagon. Representatives of PMCs for them are not "they are not there", but "their people". When did you see that the State Department and the Pentagon would not excuse their own?
                        If Wagner PMCs were their own for the RF Ministry of Defense, the Americans did not dare to shoot at it
                2. tulip
                  tulip
                  0
                  28 September 2021 13: 50
                  well smeared you with facts))))
                  1. guleg
                    guleg
                    -3
                    28 September 2021 13: 55
                    another blessed one)) Or rather - an ignoramus and an adept "I don't know anything, I don't want to know, especially since it doesn't fit into my childhood notions"
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                  5. isofat
                    isofat
                    0
                    28 September 2021 16: 51
                    Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
                    well smeared you with facts))))

                    Mikhail Alekseev, I agree with you! I wonder how quickly it will wear off? laughing
    3. Alsur
      Alsur
      0
      26 September 2021 18: 48
      Quote: Kristallovich
      A private security company is a security organization. And PMCs are fighting. To put it mildly, they are not the same thing.

      This is not even the point. Russian private security companies are registered in Russia. And PMCs are registered in those countries where it is allowed, not in Russia. I also read about this mythical Wagner that he was registered, it seems, in Singapore. Therefore, calling him Russian is also not particularly correct, even if they hire fighters on the territory of the former USSR.
    4. Sergey Latyshev
      Sergey Latyshev
      0
      26 September 2021 19: 15
      All this is secondary.
      Afghan terrorists were also banned, etc.
      But calmly, without hiding, we went to Moscow for negotiations ...
      1. 123
        123
        +1
        26 September 2021 20: 18
        But calmly, without hiding, we went to Moscow for negotiations ...

        They also lived in Qatar and calmly negotiated with the Americans.
        The world is so imperfect winked
        1. Sergey Latyshev
          Sergey Latyshev
          -1
          27 September 2021 15: 17
          just nod at others ..... not bad.
          This is all secondary, and for sure is legally correct ...
          1. 123
            123
            +2
            27 September 2021 16: 07
            just nod at others ..... not bad.
            This is all secondary, and for sure is legally correct ...

            Of course, this is different. You will not dare to reproach the Americans for such a thing. They must have formalized everything legally correct, not like our sivolapes smile And can you confirm this statement or everything that Americans do is flawless by definition?

            S.V. Lavrov ...
            We continue contacts with the Taliban. They have been implemented for many years now. We are doing this, including within the framework of the expanded "troika" - Russia, the United States, China, Pakistan.
            Foreign Minister Lavrov: The current state of affairs does not limit or hinder our contacts with the Taliban. Moreover, the sanctions of the UN Security Council, as they are formulated in the relevant resolutions, do not prohibit such contacts. On the contrary, the UN Security Council resolutions contain the need to advance the political process, which cannot be done without working with the Taliban.

            https://www.mid.ru/press_service/minister_speeches/-/asset_publisher/7OvQR5KJWVmR/content/id/4867149
            1. Sergey Latyshev
              Sergey Latyshev
              -2
              27 September 2021 20: 14
              1) I will reproach. I'll even bother with a finger.
              Children's arguments. "They started first .... uuuu"
              2) exactly. "This is not the first year." and everything is legal for sure. After all, on the forehead is not written in Russian: "Talib". , and in the passport - a respected teacher or a sports food merchant ...
              1. 123
                123
                +2
                27 September 2021 21: 10
                Children's arguments. "They started first .... uuuu"

                Your claims are strange. It's like going into a smoking room ignoring everyone, only one of those present will start to be ashamed of smoking. Moreover, this is a smoking room.
                You still read what is written above, even better on the link. There, and about the countries of the "enlarged three" and about the UN Security Council.
                1. Sergey Latyshev
                  Sergey Latyshev
                  -2
                  28 September 2021 10: 09
                  In every comment I write "All this is secondary", "everything is for sure legalized". Don't you read?
                  so claim. - only with you.

                  and the excuses are clearly childish. The kids were caught smoking ...
                  well at least do not write about the childish "jump into the well" ..
    5. Vladest
      Vladest
      -3
      26 September 2021 23: 30
      In Russia, as it were, there is no Law on PMCs at all.
      1. guleg
        guleg
        -3
        27 September 2021 08: 38
        That's the point) PMCs in Russia are the same as s-ex in the USSR. In fact, there is, and at the same time, as if not)
      2. 123
        123
        +1
        27 September 2021 16: 09
        In Russia, as it were, there is no Law on PMCs at all.

        You better tell us what your military is doing in Mali? By the way, why did they leave Afghanistan?
        1. guleg
          guleg
          -2
          27 September 2021 16: 18
          Quote: 123
          You better tell us what your military is doing in Mali?

          Is there a Russian military in Mali? Lavrov says no. You do not believe Lavrov, will you refute his words?

          Quote: 123
          By the way, why did they leave Afghanistan?

          The USSR left Afghanistan back in 89. Don't you know the history yet? And what does Afghan have to do with it?
          1. 123
            123
            +2
            27 September 2021 17: 44
            Is there a Russian military in Mali? Lavrov says no. You do not believe Lavrov, will you refute his words?

            First, I wrote to my Estonian colleague, not to you. Secondly, did you find it odd that you were talking about Russian troops?

            The USSR left Afghanistan back in 89. Don't you know the history yet? And what does Afghan have to do with it?

            Quite right, he left in 1989, with banners unfurled. The government in Afghanistan then existed for 3 years and fell when aid was cut off.
            But apparently you have been in kamatosis for the last 10 years and do not know that someone else has managed to visit Afghanistan. In this case, we are talking about the shameful night flight of the Americans with their allies and hangers-on, including Estonian ones. And the Ukrainian mercenaries were not even considered people there, they were simply abandoned. so learn history.
        2. Vladest
          Vladest
          -1
          28 September 2021 00: 08
          Why waste money to transfer to Afghanistan? Let the neighbors have a headache now. I always thought that the United States was doing idiocy there. The decision to leave Afghanistan is a wise decision.
          1. 123
            123
            +1
            28 September 2021 00: 26
            Why waste money to transfer to Afghanistan? Let the neighbors have a headache now. I always thought that the United States was doing idiocy there. The decision to leave Afghanistan is a wise decision.

            It would take them 10 years to figure this out? Soon they will understand about the idiocy in Iraq, when they understand about Europe?
            What have you forgotten there and in Mali, by the way, too?
            1. Vladest
              Vladest
              -1
              28 September 2021 09: 04
              Maybe even 20 years old?
              But each case requires specifics. Each country has its own interests. And each pulls his own strap to the best of his ability and ability. Take Iran. They are in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen. Why shouldn't they just sit at home and fatten on petrodollars? Now they would be like the United Arab Emirates or the SA. Some kind of metastases of former greatness torment.

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              Soon they will understand about the idiocy in Iraq, when they understand about Europe?

              I don’t understand this, but what’s wrong with them?
              1. 123
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                28 September 2021 11: 24
                Maybe even 20 years old?

                Have they been in Afghanistan since 2001? belay

                But each case requires specifics. Each country has its own interests. And each pulls his own strap to the best of his ability and ability.

                Oh yeah!!! Tell us about Estonia's interests in Afghanistan and Mali good Or are you just pulling the strap in the harness? Maybe you shouldn't have allowed yourself to be harnessed?

                Take Iran. They are in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen. Why shouldn't they just sit at home and fatten on petrodollars? Now they would be like the United Arab Emirates or the SA. Some kind of metastases of former greatness torment.

                As far as I remember the Saudis in Yemen, why shouldn't they just sit on dollars and "fatten on petrodollars"? Iran, by the way, will not be able to fatten, they strongly want to make Libya and Iraq of them, and they do not give fat on oil to work up. Why can't you sit at home? Would fatten on sprotodollars ... Or else they will not give subsidies?
    6. alexey alexeyev
      alexey alexeyev
      -1
      27 September 2021 05: 35
      This is what.? Lavrov recognized the illegality of the PMC.? Weird. Our people travel to Syria, Libya. Some have also visited Madagascar. And no one presents them with anything. What is this? The first bell. Only it is not clear Legalization or application of Article 359
      1. guleg
        guleg
        -1
        27 September 2021 08: 48
        Quote: Alexey Alexeev
        This is what.? Lavrov recognized the illegality of the PMC.?

        Lavrov said nothing of the kind and did not admit it. He only made a reservation that there is a PMC. Previously, the Russian authorities in every possible way to distance themselves from PMCs. High-ranking officials tried to avoid such conversations - like no comment.
        Lavrov also confirmed the official line:

        Moscow has nothing to do with this (to PMCs - approx.).
        1. Bitter
          Bitter
          0
          28 September 2021 00: 05
          Lavrov also confirmed the official line:
          Moscow has nothing to do with this (to PMCs - approx.).

          It turns out that they are not citizens of the state, but ordinary hired bandits who live according to their laws unknown to anyone and wander around the planet in search of prey. The state bears absolutely no responsibility for their activities, but if something is planted in a place where Makar does not graze calves. Fine.
          I wonder at whom these soldiers of fortune are insured, because not every company will undertake such a thing. According to this appearance, either "pan or disappear". So every "couple of years" you can open a new office on a new island and you won't owe anything to anyone. Lyapota.
    7. Igor Berg
      Igor Berg
      -2
      27 September 2021 12: 23
      To me, too, Openel's secret, all these Prigogine ...
    8. Siegfried
      Siegfried
      -3
      27 September 2021 12: 36
      with PMCs, one should only be wary of putting too thick sticks in the wheels of Islamic groups, otherwise international terrorism may decide that Russia has become a problem.