Super-Dry: India May Ditch Rafale For Deal With Russians

17 September 2021 24

The Indian Air Force plans to purchase a batch of foreign fighters totaling 1,3 trillion rupees (about $ 17,7 billion). Moreover, the first aircraft will be delivered no earlier than in ten years.

According to The Eurasian Times, the F-114EX, F-15 Super Hornet and F-18 (F-21) are offered in the deal for 16 US aircraft. Russia is betting on the MiG-35 and possibly the Su-57, Su-35 (or even the Su-75). Sweden's Saab is putting up an improved version of the Gripen for sale, while France is offering the Rafale. India has previously purchased 36 Dassault Rafale aircraft for its Air Force.

Meanwhile, experts talk about the advantages of the Su-30 over its French counterparts. This is a highly efficient Russian aircraft aimed at gaining air superiority, high-quality target interception and strikes against ground targets. At the same time, the Su-30 is not inferior in combat qualities to the Rafale, but costs almost three times less.

It is also important that the Su-30 can be equipped with Indian-made BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles. This provides tremendous opportunities for striking vital strategic targets of the enemy and great flexibility in conducting offensive operations at sea.

It is known that Russia has a program to modernize this aircraft. Super-Sukhoi can get a new radar, avionics, an all-glass cockpit and modern electronic warfare systems. In this configuration, the Su-30 will be virtually unbeatable, the media said.

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Alexander K_2

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17 September 2021 12: 56

The question is $ 17.7 billion, maybe it's worth trying?
1. guleg
  
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  18 September 2021 11: 47
  
  The fact is that the Indians certainly want a car with AFAR. On Su aircraft (except for the Su-57), there is no such radar. Therefore, the Su-30 will not win the tender even in the updated version, here we can only speak of another contract, for the modernization of the Su-30MKI fleet that India already has. The situation with the MiG-35 is also sad, the car is damp, and has already "flown" twice at the Indian tender. There is nothing more to offer, the rest of the aircraft will not be delivered in the shortest possible time. It was necessary to start fussing earlier
  1. Alexander K_2
    
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    18 September 2021 19: 14
    
    Otherwise, the article is wishful thinking! Yes, this has been applicable to the entire military-industrial complex of Russia in the last 30 years.
    1. andreypilot
      
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      18 September 2021 19: 34
      
      Wishful thinking about the military-industrial complex in 30 years ?? Where have you been for the last 30 years? In another universe or parallel reality ??? Pzdts, or how do you like Viyu-should you raise your eyelids ???
      1. Alexander K_2
        
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        19 September 2021 09: 17
        
        Name at least 1 (one) type of weaponry in the Russian Armed Forces, which was invented, mastered and entered the army over the past 30 years (Just don't talk about Armata, ChykPyk, sea tugboats)?
        
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    2. guleg
      
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      18 September 2021 20: 14
      
      Quote: Alexander K_2
      Otherwise, the article is wishful thinking
      
      with regard to the Su-30, yes. In general, the MMRCA tender itself for the purchase of 114 light multi-role fighters is in question. The Indians again have "dances and songs" - now they want to cancel the competition altogether and give preference to the domestic fighter LCA "Tejas" (India slowly but systematically, as a result of 5 years of sluggish competition, changed the requirement for a promising aircraft towards the characteristics of "Tejas"). However, this has already happened - in 2015, the Indians canceled the first stage of the competition and forcibly gave the victory to the French "Rafal", having purchased 36 aircraft. It is clear that nothing is clear yet. Indian tenders are cooler than Santa Barbara
      1. Alexander K_2
        
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        19 September 2021 09: 19
        
        It is quite understandable that the Indians want to get the most for their money! Unfortunately, Russia has nothing to offer other than weapons of the 60-80s!
        
        andreypilot
        
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        19 September 2021 13: 29
        
        Repeat your mantra more often, otherwise you will suddenly lose faith. Yes .. And improve your grammar.
        
        Alexander K_2
        
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        19 September 2021 21: 11
        
        But is there anything to offer, in the 60s and 70s of the last century, the USSR did not have problems with the sale of weapons, even for money, even for minerals, apparently nothing remained in 50 years, or the weapons remained at the damage of the last century?
        
        andreypilot
        
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        21 September 2021 17: 01
        
        Hey, just googled on the topic of arms sales by Russia. For what amounts, in what countries, what weapons.
        
        Alexander K_2
        
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        21 September 2021 20: 40
        
        So it is necessary to prove it to India, and not to me, can you convince the representatives of India that they need equipment of the 70-90s model? If yes, then India will be able to refuse "Rafale"!
        
        andreypilot
        
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        24 September 2021 05: 03
        
        Are you obsessed with the 70s ??? What kind of Su-30SM from the 70s do you want? Then there is nothing to talk about with you. some ...
        
        Alexander K_2
        
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        25 September 2021 08: 28
        
        SU 30 (hereinafter letters to taste), this is T-10, (prototype SU-27) which made its first flight in 1977. It was an attempt to respond to the F-15. And then a continuous attempt to reach the F-15 level, hence all the games with letters! But in the United States for more than 20 years, the next generation vehicles have been flying, in Russia it turns out so far only to add + to 4k. A little more and there will be no room for weapons, everyone will take +!
        
        andreypilot
        
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        25 September 2021 11: 44
        
        You have letters in your head. In this thread, it's simply useless to talk to you.
        
        Alexander K_2
        
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        25 September 2021 16: 13
        
        Then don’t, don’t answer - the IL-2 is the best plane in the world, it was in the past, it is in the present, and it will remain in your head in the future!
  2. 123
    
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    19 September 2021 00: 04
    
    The fact is that the Indians certainly want a car with AFAR. On Su aircraft (except for the Su-57), there is no such radar.
    
    Radar "Zaslon" on the MiG-31 was developed under Brezhnev, as far as I remember then no one had anything like it.
    "Irbis" has been on the Su-35 since 2012.
    There is talk of unification of the Su-30 and Su-35, so nothing is impossible.
    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2020/09/21/653477.html
    
    Yes, there is still a "Beetle" on the MiG-29, if they want a miniature one to take home for the night.
    1. guleg
      
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      19 September 2021 01: 22
      
      Quote: 123
      Radar "Zaslon" on the MiG-31 was developed under Brezhnev, as far as I remember then no one had anything like it.
      "Irbis" has been on the Su-35 since 2012.
      There is talk of unification of the Su-30 and Su-35, so nothing is impossible.
      
      why did you write this? How does this refute my words? Or are you a stupid person? On domestic production aircraft, except for the Su-57, no AFAR... The modernization of the Su-30 includes, among other things, the installation of an on-board radar from the Su-35, its N035 Irbis - from the PFAR. The Indians want a plane with AFAR, and no other. Are you generally tight on all the components? Why write off-topic comments? HYIP catch, for not a name what to argue in essence?
      1. 123
        
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        19 September 2021 08: 50
        
        why did you write this? How does this refute my words? Or are you a stupid person? On domestic production aircraft, except for the Su-57, there is no AFAR. The modernization of the Su-30 includes, among other things, the installation of an on-board radar from the Su-35, its N035 Irbis - from the PFAR. The Indians want a plane with AFAR, and no other.
        
        Do not blame others for stupidity if you do not understand what it is about.
        Installed AFAR on fighters in this case is not the main thing, more important is its very presence, the possibility of production and installation on a fighter.
        PAR is not a novelty for Russia, the MiG-31 was a pioneer in this area, Russia has a decent experience in this area. If it has to be made active for the Indians, there is nothing impossible. It is on the Su-57, you say it yourself. And I did not write about the "Beetle" by chance, modifications of "Beetle-A" and "Beetle-MA"
        In 2007 they were offered MiG-35 with AFAR "Zhuk-AE"
        https://www.aex.ru/fdocs/1/2007/2/21/9827/print/
        It seems that this is not about AFAR, the desires of Indian partners are so changeable.
        They are even made for helicopters.
        https://www.aex.ru/news/2019/6/25/198886/
        And here you tell through your lip that they say no and where are you bast shoes.
        If they need AFAR on the Su-30 and that's the point, no problem, they will do it. And I mentioned the plans for unification, too, not by chance, if a contract is signed with the Indians, they will make adjustments to the plan and install the same on their fighters (well, perhaps not an export modification). All this costs decent money and since it can be done at the expense of the Indian side, why not.
        
        Are you generally tight on all the components? Why write off-topic comments? HYIP catch, for not a name what to argue in essence?
        
        The commentary was calculated on the basis of a thinking person, which you apparently are not. I hope now I have explained more clearly? If you need to chew something in more detail, contact
        
        guleg
        
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        19 September 2021 16: 28
        
        Quote: 123
        If you need to chew something in more detail
        
        alas, you have to chew on it, and the common truths.
        
        Quote: 123
        PAR is not a novelty for Russia
        
        it is not for the PFAR, but for the AFAR. If you don't know the difference, then you are a layman.
        
        Quote: 123
        In 2007 they were offered MiG-35 with AFAR "Zhuk-AE"
        
        in 2007 they could not offer an aircraft with an AFAR radar, because even in 2009, Zhuk-A was still under testing... The fact that the Zhuk-A radar with an active phased array is ready for serial production was announced by the General Designer of the Fazotron-NIIR Corporation OJSC only at the end of 2014. Therefore, seven years ago, from 2014, there was no AFAR for the MiG , and the plane with him simply could not be offered.
        
        Quote: 123
        They are even made for helicopters.
        
        Imagine, they are even made for UAVs. So what? Speech for a specific aircraft (MiG-35, Su-30) and a radar for it... And not for "something"
        
        Quote: 123
        If they need AFAR on the Su-30 and that's the point, no problem, they will do it.
        
        Indians said tender for the purchase of aircraft, not for its development (design)... They need a real-life, tested, ready for serial production (with full localization) aircraft. They are not interested at the moment what will be developed in the future. In the future, they will bring laser weapons and will fight in space - but we are talking about a specific competition. Airplanes are boring to them now, combat aircraft, and inexperienced models. You, like many other dudes like you, all live in the future (they will create, accept, do, urrah! Although you need to shout hurray only when you have created, done, accepted). Only the equipment available now flies and enters the battle, and not sometime later can be created. When AFAR is created for the Su-30, then there will be something to talk about.
        
        Quote: 123
        Don't blame others for stupidity
        
        why don't you use your own advice?
        
        123
        
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        19 September 2021 18: 25
        
        in 2007, they could not offer an aircraft with an AFAR radar, because even in 2009 Zhuk-A was still under testing. The fact that the Zhuk-A radar with an active phased array is ready for serial production was announced by the general designer of the Fazotron-NIIR Corporation OJSC only at the end of 2014. Therefore, seven years ago from 2014, there was no AFAR for the MiG , and the plane with it simply could not be offered.
        
        Thank you for your educational activities, burn the Kremlin propaganda with napalm. Pour at the same time to Kommersant, they also told about Mig with AFAR in 2007
        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/795697
        
        Imagine, they are even made for UAVs. So what? Speech for a specific aircraft (MiG-35, Su-30) and a radar for it. And not for "something"
        
        What is the problem? Is this not a solvable problem? There is on the Su-57, on the Mig there is, they will do it for this one too. Or does it infuriate you that Indians can participate in financing the production?
        
        the Indians have announced a tender for the purchase of aircraft, and not for its development (design). They need a real-life, tested, ready for serial production (with full localization) aircraft. They are not interested at the moment what will be developed in the future.
        
        They constantly announce something, they want even more. What didn't you buy from the French with full localization? Did not like? The Indian Air Force fleet is aging, they need fighters, they will spend a long time wandering around, they will change to elephants and camels. Instead of localization, we can offer our Indian partners lip-rolling machines from Uralvagonzavod. Well, or they still walk along the market, they will approach Macron again
        
        In the future, they will bring laser weapons and will fight in space - but we are talking about a specific competition. Airplanes are boring to them now, combat aircraft, and inexperienced models.
        
        That's right, planes right now. And about localization, you can conduct long-term fruitful negotiations.
        
        You, like many other dudes like you, all live in the future (they will create, accept, do, urrah! Although you need to shout hurray only when you have created, done, accepted).
        
        Only animals live in the present, the future and the past are abstract for them. Thinking about the future can hardly be called stupidity. In my subjective opinion, of course, I do not impose this point of view on you, you can live exclusively in the present. But when to shout hurray, let yourself decide and not ask your permission
        
        Only the equipment available now flies and enters the battle, and not sometime later can be created. When AFAR is created for the Su-30, then there will be something to talk about.
        
        Actually, we talked about the Su-30 and the Indian tender, you are hooked on the radar. are you worried? Are competitors crossing your path?
        
        guleg
        
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        19 September 2021 19: 14
        
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        Thank you for your educational activities, burn the Kremlin propaganda with napalm. Pour at the same time to Kommersant, they also told about Mig with AFAR in 2007
        
        Of course, what is Kommersant and the chief designer of the design bureau that Zhuk-A developed. Of course, the journalists know better! Who are the designers, production workers, testers? Fuckers in your opinion, not like representatives of the second oldest!
        
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        There is on the Su-57, on the Mig there is, they will do it for this one too.
        
        the key word is they will. When they do, then you will speak. In the meantime, there is nothing to talk about. How about the skin of an unkilled bear.
        
        Quote: 123
        The Indian Air Force fleet is aging, they need fighters, they will spend a long time wandering around, they will change to elephants and camels. Instead of localization, we can offer our Indian partners lip-rolling machines from Uralvagonzavod.
        
        They will switch to something, but not to camels for sure - there are more than enough offers on the market. But Russia with the approach you recommend runs the risk of being left without orders and without money, respectively. When you are looking for an urgently needed item (for example, spare parts for a toilet bowl), come to the store, and the seller for you - not yet, but will be in a month. Or there is one, made of gold, at the price of diamonds. Will you wait a month (and not poop and write all this time), pay big money, or just go and buy from another place? The answer will be obvious.
        
        Quote: 123
        You, like many other dudes like you, all live in the future (they will create, accept, do, urrah! Although you need to shout hurray only when you have created, done, accepted).
        
        Only animals live in the present, the future and the past are abstract for them. Thinking about the future can hardly be called stupidity.
        
        ok, you just signed that you did not understand the meaning of what was said from the word at all. However, what else to expect? You have been told that in the present moment it is only what you have that matters, not what will be. And therefore hurray, too, should be shouted only on the fact of an accomplished event, and not the event being announced. There is a Russian saying: don't say hop until you jump over. Apparently not familiar to you?
        An example for you. You live in a bad area, gopniks constantly gather and thump at your house. You walk through them every night. Once they otmuzhohayas you. But if you had a house in another area, if you had a pistol, or if you had mastered fighting techniques at the CCM level, then maybe they would not have beaten you. But - you can buy a pistol, change an apartment for an area where it is calm - but all this is in the future. How have these dreams helped you now? Nothing, you've already been fucked up. Is it clear now?
        
        Quote: 123
        Actually, we talked about the Su-30 and the Indian tender, you were hooked on the radar
        
        Su-30 without AFAR will not win the competition. Is that clearer?
        
        123
        
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        19 September 2021 21: 09
        
        Of course, what is Kommersant and the chief designer of the design bureau that Zhuk-A developed. Of course, the journalists know better! Who are the designers, production workers, testers? Fuckers in your opinion, not like representatives of the second oldest!
        
        So expose the "journalist" everything is in your hands. With suckers and the most ancient I am not your assistant, I suppose here you yourself will figure it out as an expert in your native element.
        
        the key word is they will. When they do, then you will speak. In the meantime, there is nothing to talk about. How about the skin of an unkilled bear.
        
        Dear, have you misled anything? I didn't ask your permission whether to tell me or not. It is you here who are jealous of Indian money and are talking about their inflated Wishlist. I think the competition will be determined without your participation.
        
        They will switch to something, but not to camels for sure - there are more than enough offers on the market.
        
        Truth? Will they buy from the French? Or the Chinese? Or will they go to the Americans, the same one that in 5 years they promise all the old planes will surpass? Oh yes, there are also Swedes, but for some reason the Indians are still not interested in them, apparently not everything suits. There is also a European Typhoon, but somehow it is not offered, and it will probably be a little expensive if they agree to produce it for India. Did you miss anyone? Has Antonov set up production?
        
        But Russia with the approach you recommend runs the risk of being left without orders and without money, respectively.
        
        Thank you for taking the interests of the Russian military-industrial complex so close to your heart. Don't worry, everything will be fine.
        
        When you are looking for an urgently needed item (for example, spare parts for a toilet bowl), come to the store, and the seller for you - not yet, but will be in a month. Or there is one, made of gold, at the price of diamonds. Will you wait a month (and not poop and write all this time), pay big money, or just go and buy from another place?
        
        Are you drawn to high matters again? It's hard to argue with you, in this topic you are like a fish in water, well, or what is there
        
        ok, you just signed that you did not understand the meaning of what was said from the word at all. However, what else can you expect from the stupid? You have been told that in the present moment it is only what you have that matters, not what will be.
        
        Is it you who will determine what matters and what doesn't? Someone authorized you, or we don't need impostors, will I be the commander?
        
        And therefore hurray, too, should be shouted only on the fact of an accomplished event, and not the event being announced.
        
        I did not ask you for advice when and what to shout.
        
        There is a Russian saying: don't say hop until you jump over. Apparently not familiar to you?
        
        You demonstrate excellent knowledge of Russian folklore. True, some argue that in the original it sounds like this:
        
        Don't say "gop" without jumping over the docks
        
        Apparently you know it better. But in any case, thanks for being translated into Russian. And the idea is good, let's wait for the results of the competition.
        
        An example for you. You live in a bad area, gopniks constantly gather and thump at your house. You walk through them every night. Once they otmuzhohayas you. But if you had a house in another area, if you had a pistol, or if you had mastered fighting techniques at the CCM level, then maybe they would not have beaten you. But - you can buy a pistol, change an apartment for an area where it is calm - but all this is in the future. How have these dreams helped you now? Nothing, you've already been fucked up. Is it clear now?
        
        Are there no other examples? Stories from your harsh reality drive me into depression. It is difficult to imagine such a thing, gopniks around our house do not thump, pistols and hand-to-hand fighting techniques are usually not required.
        
        Su-30 without AFAR will not win the competition. Is that clearer?
        
        How impulsive you are I suggest you wait for the results and evaluate your prediction.
        
        guleg
        
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        19 September 2021 21: 40
        
        those. there is essentially nothing to answer. Well, nothing, when you do not have intelligible answers, your profession can always help you. You can laugh and grimace as much as you like, this will not negate the fact that you simply merged from the answer.
        
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sgrabik

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17 September 2021 13: 14

After a deep modernization, the Su-30SM2 will have a good export potential, the main thing is not to delay this modernization and to further increase its combat effectiveness and capabilities to try to introduce the newest and most modern solutions into this aircraft to the maximum.