Instead of the "Chinese" CR929, Russia needs its own Il-96-400M

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It is reported that China has begun assembling its first long-haul wide-body liner CR929, developed jointly with Russia. Serial production of this promising aircraft should begin as early as 2025. News belongs to the category of positive, however, on common thought, several uncomfortable questions arise.

The CR929 project (C - China, R - Russia) is considered the most high-tech cooperation between Beijing and Moscow. China is striving to finally gain a foothold in the closed club of aircraft-building powers, which have a full cycle of production of all types of airliners. Wide-body airliners with powerful engines are aerobatics, and the Chinese comrades turned to Russia for help, which has Soviet experience and technological developments. So let's take a look at what both sides end up getting without any unnecessary emotions.



CR929


An agreement on cooperation between the PRC and the Russian Federation was signed back in 2014. It is planned to jointly develop and create a modern wide-body long-haul liner in three configurations at once. The base model will be called CR 929-600 and will carry 281 passengers in a three-class version, 291 passengers in a two-class cabin and 405 in a single-class cabin layout. The younger, shortened version of the liner is called CR 929-500 (230 passengers), and the older, longer version will be called CR 929-700 (320 passengers). At the request of the customer, it is even possible to create a model capable of transporting up to 440 people, but only for short flights. The flight range of the Russian-Chinese airliner will vary from 12 to 14 thousand kilometers.

In general, this is an interesting aircraft capable of real competition with the products of the Western duopoly. But this is where unpleasant questions begin to arise. On the one hand, the shares of Moscow and Beijing in the project are distributed 50% to 50%. An engineering center is located in Russia, we will have all the technical documentation, and we will supply composite wings for the liner. On the other hand, all other production and final assembly of the CR929 will take place in China. Is it good or bad?

How to look. In total, within the framework of cooperation, it is planned to produce at least 800 CR929 liners in the next 20 years, but where will they go? The Chinese partners do not hide the fact that they are developing an aircraft for their domestic market, and the buyers will be national air carriers. China's needs for long-haul liners for the next two decades are estimated at 1000 aircraft. This means that there will definitely be demand for CR929 in the Celestial Empire.

But what are we going to do? The Russian sky is now totally dominated by American and European airliners, which, of course, must be fought against, gradually replacing them with domestic products. But as for the long-haul segment, domestic demand for wide-body aircraft in our country is estimated at a modest 50-120 airliners for the next 20 years. Let's face it, sparsely. Is it worth it for the sake of such small volumes to completely localize the production of CR929 in Russia? This is a lot of money. Buying assembly parts in China? It’s easy, if the story with the "Superjet" didn’t teach anyone anything. Now we are kind of friends with China, but what will happen in 10-20 years?

Of course, you can try to increase production by starting to export liners abroad, but where? Recall that Boeing and Airbus, which found themselves in a systemic crisis due to the consequences of the coronavirus pandemic, entered into a truce against potential competitors from the PRC and the Russian Federation. The US and the EU will do everything possible to prevent Russian-made aircraft from flying in the skies over the Old and New Worlds. Where else can you export? Third World countries? CIS? But Boeing and Airbus dominate there, and China with CR929 will soon appear. Will we be able to compete with the Chinese by selling the same aircraft? Yes, the PRC will simply crush us with large production volumes and better terms of delivery and after-sales service.

It turns out that we helped the Celestial Empire get a modern wide-body aircraft, but we ourselves seemed to be left without it. Yes, we have a 50% stake in a joint venture in China, which is good, but for the production of a liner in our country we will depend on Beijing's goodwill. Somehow not very much. Are there any other options?

IL-96-400M


Fortunately, there are options, and not bad ones. Recall that within the framework of the CR929 project, the developments on the Soviet and Russian long-haul Il-96 liner were undoubtedly used. This wide-body aircraft, depending on the layout, can carry from 300 to 435 passengers, which makes it competitive in this indicator with Chinese, American and European counterparts. The airliner is so reliable that it is in the IL-96-300PU version that is used as a presidential aircraft in our country. The most important thing is that its entire production base has been preserved, and there is no need to create or restore anything from scratch. In 2016, the Russian government allocated 50 billion rubles for the development of a modernized version of the airliner under the Il-96-400M index.

A natural question naturally arises, why are we investing billions in a joint project with the Chinese when we have our own wide-body aircraft? Why not just start serial production of the Il-96-400M?


Alas, everything is a little more complicated than we would like. The Il-96 is an excellent and reliable aircraft, which is not scary to entrust the lives of top officials of the state, but its weak point is its low fuel efficiency. The liner is equipped with four PS-90A turbofan engines, which together consume more fuel than Western aircraft of the same class. For a presidential plane, this is not critical, but for commercial carriers it is. Despite all its advantages, the IL-96 did not find demand from airlines. However, this may soon change. There are two options at once for making a domestic liner competitive.

The first involves the installation of four PD-90 engines, developed for the medium-haul MS-14, instead of the PS-21A. The second option is much more attractive. We are talking about the PD-35 super-powerful aircraft engine, which is being developed in our country for the Chinese CR929. Beijing initially counted on Western-made power plants: General Electric or Rolls-Royce, but due to the aggravation of relations with the United States, their deliveries are now in question. If domestic developers are in a hurry, Russia will receive a guaranteed sales market for 800 hundred long-haul airliners and subsequent maintenance of aircraft engines. The main thing here is not to give any licenses for the production of PD-35 to Chinese partners.

More importantly, we will be able to use this super-powerful engine on the Il-96-400M, where there will be only two of them. Instead of trying to compete with the PRC by selling the same CR929 in foreign markets, we can make a deep modernization of our Il-96, for example, using composite materials in the production of wings and empennage elements, which will lead to a reduction in weight. In terms of such an important indicator as fuel efficiency, the Russian airliner will be on par with foreign counterparts. No additional localization will be needed, since the entire component base in the country is already available, production, albeit small-scale, is underway.

This makes it possible to breed Il-96-400M and CR929 on the market. Let the Chinese sell joint-developed airliners in Southeast Asia, while Russia will receive 50% of the profits and guaranteed sales of the PD-35. We will be able to build completely domestic wide-body aircraft, both for our own needs and for promotion in the CIS market and in third world countries, where Soviet-made technology is known and respected. In addition, the mass production of the super-powerful PD-35 for two types of passenger airliners will make it possible to revive the An-124 Ruslan cargo aircraft in Russia under a new name. In general, with a rational approach, solid pluses are obtained.
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  1. +1
    3 September 2021 12: 36
    the Chinese are cunning, they have already thrown the Germans with high-speed trains, creating a joint venture with the Germans, copied su27, it will also be with our plane, copy the glider and install the engines of the United States or England, it is necessary to separately conclude an agreement not to copy, and that all the profit of the joint venture is divided in half , including the Chinese market. but it is better to leave the joint venture altogether, the Russian Federation itself can produce this aircraft, and the Chinese will buy it because they themselves cannot develop it, and they are stupidly afraid of copying Boeings Airbuses because of sanctions and the possible closure of the Western market, and they do not care about the Russian Federation , due to the small ross market for their junk
  2. +3
    3 September 2021 12: 48
    Quote: somsh chk
    copy the glider and install the engines of the United States or England, it is necessary to separately conclude a non-copying agreement, and that all the profit of the joint venture is divided in half, including in the Chinese market

    1) whether the Americans and Britons will supply them with engines is a big question. they are afraid of competition, why should they help the PRC?
    2) the profit in the joint venture is already divided in half according to the shares.
    3) the agreement on non-copying of technologies with the Chinese is an oxymoron. here the question is only in the competence for production, heavy-duty engines are an extremely difficult thing.
    in the dry residue, it turns out that it is better to do as described in the text. hi
  3. 0
    3 September 2021 13: 29
    Yes, we have a 50% stake in a joint venture in China, which is good, but for the production of a liner in our country we will depend on Beijing's goodwill. Somehow not very much. Are there any other options?

    First, we will have half of the profits of this enterprise. And if the market for this aircraft is already guaranteed, so will the profitability of the joint venture, respectively. In addition, we will not only transfer our technologies to China, and have their technologies, as well as those that they managed to snatch from Boeing and Watermelon. Having given the opportunity to the Chinese to sell some of the finished boards from us, in return we can get the right to sell something of our own. The same Il-96-xxx ...
    1. +1
      3 September 2021 13: 55
      In the article, all this seems to be already painted
  4. -2
    3 September 2021 14: 05
    If we recall the recent history of IL, with its oligarchic "effective managers" attached, then the Chinese are doing everything right.
    They surely give money, and they control so that they are not thrown, like the IL of the Indians.

    Only the Chinese will be able to produce massively and inexpensively, these are not 1-3 aircrafts a year on the IL, which are not promoted.
    They need it more according to the article, they also have money and power for it.
    In real life, sometimes they put on a model different types of engines for different countries. if there will be.
    Все.

    And to develop with a delay new aircraft that completely duplicate the Chinese - only give new real estate to "effective managers", without the final result.
  5. 0
    3 September 2021 16: 02
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    Only the Chinese will be able to produce massively and inexpensively, these are not 1-3 aircrafts a year on the IL, which are not promoted.
    They need it more according to the article, they also have money and power for it.
    In real life, sometimes they put on a model different types of engines for different countries. if there will be.
    Все.

    And to develop with a delay new aircraft that completely duplicate the Chinese - only give new real estate to "effective managers", without the final result.

    The point is that to duplicate the production of cr929 is complete nonsense. the Chinese will have faster, larger and cheaper, which means that the cr929 in their version will have a market advantage over the analogue of our production.
    It makes sense to develop the Il-96 with new engines, the entire component base is there, production has not collapsed, since this is a presidential aircraft. And the plane is really good and reliable. You can produce and export it yourself.
  6. 0
    3 September 2021 16: 26
    Apparently the time has come when we practically cannot alone,
    to carry out such a project, alone, due to the lack of competencies, clearly showed IL 112, especially with such leaders as CHEMEZOV and MANTURS, who are more concerned with personal enrichment than production ...
  7. -1
    3 September 2021 17: 55
    In general, the IL-96 and CR-929 are different dimensions of wide-body models: the first is the B1 dimension, and the second is the B777 dimension (slightly less). And the volume of the Il-2 market is even less than the CR-787 / B96. Corresponding The Il-929 will also have to be produced in conjunction with China, because for our market a complete modernization of the original 787 will not pay off. We will always produce for bureaucratic needs, but there is an opportunity to enter the Chinese market, but such a product will also have to be localized in Great China, together with the CR-96.
    What I agree with the author is on the issue of PD-35 - that it can and should be done in large quantities of goods and it makes sense to invest in its production. But here again there are 2 snags: it will not be developed anytime soon, and even more slowly - it will be brought into series, and even making large series with consistently high quality from our dviglodels is not very good at all. So if you do invest, it's not so much in airplanes as in engines. Well, in composites, which we also went to, but the question is again - in large series. In civil avionics, we are unlikely to be able to compete with the same China now, so it is better to give this part to them.
  8. +1
    4 September 2021 06: 14
    Quote: whitebeard
    In general, the IL-96 and CR-929 are different dimensions of wide-body models: the first is the B1 dimension, and the second is the B777 dimension (slightly less). And the volume of the Il-2 market is even less than the CR-787 / B96. Corresponding The Il-929 will also have to be produced in conjunction with China, because for our market a complete modernization of the original 787 will not pay off. We will always produce for bureaucratic needs, but there is an opportunity to enter the Chinese market, but such a product will also have to be localized in Great China, together with the CR-96.

    the modernization of the Il-96 is going on, production is also carried out in small batches. Already now it is enough to replace the engines with PD-14 and make a small trial run with them. Then you can replace the wings, keel and empennage with composites, since we have mastered their production for the MC-21 and are ready to supply them to the PRC. With less weight, range and fuel efficiency will increase.
    After the appearance of the PD-35, we will get a ready-made competitive aircraft that can be exported.
    Over time, no one bothers to make a shortened version of the Il-96 in order to fit it into another market segment.
    As for "payback", has the Superjet paid off? Will the MS-21 pay off? No, their production is a matter of national security, because one fine day Boeing and Airbus may refuse to supply new aircraft and service the already purchased ones, if the relationship goes completely into gear.
    1. 0
      12 September 2021 19: 45
      I have no doubt that the Il-96 can and should be upgraded for a small batch. The problem is in large-scale production - you already need to invest a lot of money in this, especially in a service network that will cost the same price as an aircraft, and for a narrow market segment, such as wide-bodied or the SSJ-100 you mentioned, more more. Therefore, both Boeing and Airbus pay off these networks at the expense of the most massive segment - B737 / A320, and they are mainly designed for their maintenance. In our country, Sukhoi was unbearable to try his hand at civilian life, as a result of which they chose an inexpensive small segment of the regionals and predictably could not create a high-quality service network for it. You say - "MS-21 stranded"? It is precisely it that must be recouped as an aircraft of the most massive segment, and those resources that were spent on an excessive STJ (if there was then, though not optimal, but already ready for the Tu-334 series - ideal for your idea of ​​industrial independence ), could be spent on the fastest design and launch of the MS-21, as well as to combine the forces of not only Yakovlev, but also the same Tupolev and Sukhoi for its design and production (since he wanted to become a citizen). And on its basis it would be economically feasible to build a network of service centers that would already be "built on" for servicing both regionals and wide-bodied bodies, as is done in the West. , will also have to cooperate with China, especially since the C21 / MS-919 pair - the first one is easier and cheaper to buy, the second one - in terms of economy - it will be much easier to bite off a good piece of the market from the B21 / A1 pair. On its own, it will be too long and expensive, but in the civilian sector it is important, therefore it is necessary to cooperate in it as much as possible. With China, we have such opportunities, we must use them, we cannot boil in our own juice - the experience of the USSR has already demonstrated the dead end of this approach
  9. -1
    4 September 2021 14: 00
    Russia invests almost nothing in this project, since they don’t take money from the poor.
    1. +1
      4 September 2021 22: 04
      Russia has retained its competences (for now). They are more valuable than money.
  10. 0
    4 September 2021 22: 02
    China's needs for long-haul liners for the next two decades are estimated at 1000 aircraft.

    Is not a fact. The world is facing a severe crisis. And most of all, it will affect the United States, China and the EU. The crisis will most sadly affect the infrastructure created in recent years.
    In China, these are high-speed railways. and air transportation (but not only).
    In August 2021. railway level China's traffic fell in August:
    - in comparison with July of this year - by 50%,
    - compared to August last year - by 38%.
    Think about it. After the crisis, the profitability of such infrastructures will fall below zero. They regret building it.
  11. -2
    5 September 2021 16: 11
    Our demand for wide-body aircraft does not exceed 100.
    Thus, Russia needs to develop technologies, but the organization of a full cycle seems unprofitable in any way.
    And let's stop talking about the IL-96. I flew the IL-86 one hundred and fifty times. But that was in the past.
    The CR929 project seems reasonable from all points of view.
  12. +1
    6 September 2021 10: 48
    The Il project was frozen. They will make a couple to carry a zeroed one and that's it.
  13. +1
    6 September 2021 17: 05
    Quote: Nicholai Ivanitsky
    Our demand for wide-body aircraft does not exceed 100.
    Thus, Russia needs to develop technologies, but the organization of a full cycle seems unprofitable in any way.
    And let's stop talking about the IL-96. I flew the IL-86 one hundred and fifty times. But that was in the past.
    The CR929 project seems reasonable from all points of view

    you contradict yourself.
    CR929 is unprofitable to produce in Russia. The Il-96 is already in production, it is only necessary to supply new engines and increase the series, and that is all.
    How can such incompatible things unite in one head?
  14. +1
    23 September 2021 19: 07
    Yes, investments and shares and responsibility are 50 to 50, but you can count the profit from the sale of 800 aircraft, which will also be halved, and this is a turnover comparable to Airbus ... And Airbus is not alone in France.
  15. 0
    28 September 2021 10: 57
    We ourselves need to produce our own planes on our territory.
  16. 0
    19 October 2021 23: 29
    The main thing is not to drain our technologies to the Chinese under the guise of friendly gestures, no licenses for the production of our engines in China can be issued, if we really want to restore our aircraft and engine building industries, then in this case we need to forget about the concept of friendship and about gestures of goodwill. Nothing personal just business!!!
  17. 0
    9 November 2021 15: 33
    Who needs the IL-96? Show with your finger !!!
    There are several at the factory in Voronezh - go and take them.
  18. 0
    1 December 2021 22: 21
    If anyone needs an IL-96, go to the Voronezh plant and take it. There are several, but no one needs them. There are no idiots who will take this plane for themselves.
  19. 0
    5 December 2021 23: 14
    Financial efficiency issue. How much IL-96 does Russia need? 30..50..70 pieces? And then, this is together with special versions in the form of air command posts, President's aircraft, as well as options for tankers and DLRO aircraft, if the Air Force decides that the IL-76 is needed more as transport aircraft, and not in the IL78 and A50 / 100 versions. And the payback of the project comes if the series is more than 100 cars .. And what for? Better to do ms21-400 in the ultra-long range version
  20. 0
    8 December 2021 18: 39
    What are we talking about, well, Chemezovomanturovskaya shobla does not cope with our aviation, which they also ditched, is it really incomprehensible to anyone, it's just that the guys are pumping money from the budget for their real estate and their other Wishlist ...