Pearl Harbor 2.0: Will the Russian Pacific Fleet Resist Japanese Attack?

1 September 2021 80

The Japanese naval squadron "Izumo" type destroyer in the foreground and the US Navy aircraft carrier in the background

Probably our main problem in the eastern direction is the complicated relations with Japan. Tokyo refuses to recognize the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over the Kuril Islands, and the idea of returning the "northern territory" has become national in the Land of the Rising Sun. After a number of changes were made to the Constitution of the Russian Federation in 2020, the transfer of the Kuriles legally became impossible, and therefore, in an amicable way, this issue of principle for the Japanese can no longer be resolved. There are only "bad" options, and the main intrigue is whether Tokyo will ever decide on "Pearl Harbor 2.0"?

History shows that the Japanese are capable of daring and decisive moves, and the level of militarization of the mood of society in the Land of the Rising Sun is constantly growing. Perhaps only the presence of a nuclear arsenal in Russia is a deterrent, but one should be aware that, according to the unwritten rules of international relations, its use is taboo. Nuclear weapons (NW) are something that you can have as a threat to potential aggressors, but really not be used. A country that has decided to launch a nuclear strike against another country in the 21st century, if it is, of course, not the “hegemon” himself, will immediately be turned into an outcast by all at the suggestion of the “civilized” Western community. In general, nuclear weapons are good, but in and of themselves it is not a panacea. Our country should be able to defeat any aggressor in a conventional way, without resorting to the "nuclear baton". Alas, in the Far East, this is not very good. The naval self-defense forces of Japan are many times superior in combat capabilities to the Pacific Fleet of the Russian Federation, and this weakness is a serious provoking factor.

Pearl Harbor 2.0

In the Axis countries that lost World War II, it is not customary to publicly discuss the possibility of revising its results. However, in Japan, the idea of returning the Kuriles at any cost reached such intensity and ferocity that even career diplomats began to speak out on this topic. For example, in an article on the Newsweek Japan portal, professional political scientist Akio Kawatao wrote the following verbatim:

In order for the Russian authorities to realize the importance of solving the territorial problem, the Japanese government must demonstrate its readiness and ability to block the Soy (La Perouse) and Tsugaru (Sangar) Strait, which are the main supply routes between the mainland of Russia and the four "northern islands."

In other words, "Pearl Harbor 2.0" may consist of a naval blockade of the Kuril Islands by the Japanese fleet, followed by a landing on them. And, unfortunately, we have to admit that Tokyo has all the capabilities to conduct such a military operation. Let's compare the forces at the disposal of the parties that can be involved in an armed conflict over the "northern territories".

On the sea

Let's face it, with regard to surface forces, we have nothing to boast about in the Pacific Ocean. The flagship of the fleet is the Project 1164 Varyag missile cruiser. He is in charge of 1 Project 956 Sarych destroyer, 1 Project 1155 frigate (former BOD) and 3 large anti-submarine ships of Project 1155. Alas, as far as large ships in the far sea zone are concerned, this is probably all of them, and they are quite old. There are also 4 corvettes of projects 20380 and 20385, 4 small missile ships (MRK) of project 1234 and 8 small anti-submarine ships, plus 4 large landing ships that may be needed when trying to return the occupied Kuril Islands back. There is still a different "trifle", but it will not make the weather, as well as submarines (SSGN, PLAB and diesel-electric submarines). And this is the Pacific Fleet, the second most powerful in the Russian Navy!

The potential adversary, alas, looks much more convincing. The Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Forces have 4 helicopter carriers, 8 URO destroyers (2 more are transferred to training), 29 destroyers (1 transferred to training), 6 frigates and 21 submarines (2 more training). Unfortunately, this is not all. In addition, Japan has another navy, formally called the Coast Guard. As of 2011, it consisted of 45 large, 39 medium and 34 small patrol ships, up to 130 service and auxiliary vessels that can be involved in the transfer of troops to the Kuril Islands. The Coast Guard also includes: 5 fire boats, 25 aircraft and 46 helicopters, over 220 patrol boats, 4 fire boats and 13 hydrographic vessels.

This is more than enough to carry out a naval blockade and the subsequent seizure of the Kuril Islands. The Japanese have a huge navy with a modern air defense system, and also significantly exceed our Pacific in the number of anti-ship and anti-submarine missiles.

In the air

Alas, the Japanese will certainly dominate the sky. Surface ships with missiles are good, but there is nothing worse at sea than aviation. The Anglo-Saxons are well aware of this, who are investing billions in the construction of aircraft carriers, which for some reason certain individuals in our country consider "useless vessels" and "easy targets." Japan, as a country that lost the Second World War, had a lot of restrictions on the development of its fleet, but managed to skillfully bypass them.

Tokyo built two 22DDH-class helicopter carriers with a total displacement of 27 tons. At the first glance at the Izumo and Gaku, it became clear that we were dealing with light aircraft carriers with a solid deck along the entire hull, called "helicopter destroyers" so as not to irritate neighboring countries. In 2017, the Japanese government announced plans to convert them into aircraft carriers by deploying fifth-generation American F-35B fighters. Structurally, they were adapted for this from the very beginning, it remains only to protect the deck with a heat-resistant coating and install a springboard on the bow. And so, at the head of the huge Japanese navy, two light aircraft carriers with an air wing of 20 SKPPV aircraft on each stand.

But that's not all. Do not forget about the two previous-generation Hyuga helicopter carriers. They are smaller, their total displacement is only 18 thousand tons, but structurally they are close to the British Invincible-class aircraft carriers or the Italian aircraft-carrying cruiser Garibaldi. Instead of anti-submarine helicopters, both Japanese ships, after modernization, will be able to take on board 8-10 F-35B fighters each.

Taken together, this means one thing: the Japanese will reign supreme in the air, at sea and under water. The Far East is so far, that you cannot quickly transfer significant reinforcements there. If Tokyo promptly cuts this military operation, a new geopolitical reality will ensue.

What to do?

But let's not say goodbye to the Kuriles ahead of time. The most negative scenario does not have to be realized, and it is in our power to make sure that this never happens.

At first, it is worth supporting the initiative of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu on the construction of new cities in Siberia and the Far East, the transfer of production and infrastructure there, including the military. The more settled and economically developed these regions, remote from Central Russia, are, the less chances there will be that they can somehow “move away”.

SecondlyThe Pacific Fleet definitely needs strengthening. Probably, after the completion of the planned modernization, it is here that the Peter the Great TARK should be sent as a new flagship, and the Admiral Nakhimov should be left to the Severomors. It is possible that in conjunction with "Peter" it is worth redeploying our only aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" with carrier-based aircraft. There, to the Pacific Ocean, it would be expedient to send a new universal amphibious assault ship (UDC) of the two that are currently being built in Kerch. It will be possible to place helicopters, anti-submarine and attack helicopters. As they are launched, the newest project 22350 and 22350M multipurpose frigates will be distributed across the Northern and Pacific fleets. This will significantly increase their combat effectiveness and stability.

Thirdly, already now it is worth thinking hard about the program of building new aircraft carriers to replace the aging Admiral Kuznetsov. For modern war at sea, carrier-based aircraft are needed, this is a fact. Aircraft carriers need at least 2 for each of our ocean fleets. It might be worth doing the following. In Kerch, after the launch of both UDCs, two light aircraft carriers with a displacement of 40-45 thousand tons can be laid. If they are built according to the traditional scheme, they will be able to carry 20-30 aircraft on board. If you try a non-standard semi-catamaran scheme, then with such a modest displacement they will be able to accommodate a very impressive wing of up to 40 aircraft. The power plant can be supplied to the GTU, and several cells of universal launchers can be installed on ships in order to classify them as aircraft-carrying cruisers. This will make it easier to resolve the issue with the passage of the Turkish straits.

It is possible to start construction in Kerch at the turn of 2027-2028 after the completion of work on the UDC. Distribute one such light aircraft carrier to the Northern and Pacific fleets, where they will act as escorts. The second series of two multipurpose nuclear attack aircraft carriers with a displacement of 60-70 thousand tons may be laid down at Sevmash after the completion of the nuclear submarine construction program at the end of this decade. As a basis, it is advisable to use the modernized project of the Soviet ATAVRK "Ulyanovsk".

If you go to the Pacific Ocean in 15-20 years, then the Russian fleet, having in the TARK of the Orlan project, a UDC with a dozen helicopters on board and a couple of aircraft carriers with a hundred aircraft, as well as modern multipurpose frigates of the 22350 and 22350M projects, will be able to to restrain any revanchist sentiments of the Japanese. And it will not cost that fantastic money. What's the alternative? Pearl Harbor 2.0?

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An K-s

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1 September 2021 13: 03

Author, Japan will defeat us in one case, when its army reaches Moscow. Everything else is verbal diarrhea in favor of the poor.
1. Understanding
  
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  2 September 2021 10: 05
  
  So Russia won the Japanese War too? Under Tsushima, Mukden and Port Arthur.
  1. Sapsan136
    
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    2 September 2021 10: 18
    
    Now battleships will not fight. Japan is in the zone of destruction of both cruise and ballistic missiles of the Russian Federation and it is not a fact that Japan's air defense will be able to repel missile attacks of the Russian Federation without losses, even if the Russian Federation does not use tactical nuclear weapons, and in fact it can use ... In addition, Japan after the victory over Russia in 1905, Russia merged three conflicts, in 1938,1939, 1945 and XNUMX ...
    1. guleg
      
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      3 September 2021 00: 19
      
      Quote: Sapsan136
      Now battleships will not fight.
      
      is not a fact. They will use conventional weapons. Nobody seeks to use nuclear weapons. Therefore, ordinary ships and submarines, aviation and land units (if it comes to them at all) will be used in the article. didn't come out at all.
      
      Quote: Sapsan136
      In addition, Japan, after the victory over Russia in 1905, merged three conflicts with Russia, in 1938,1939, 1945 and XNUMX
      
      they are all worth one 1905, when Russia not only lost its fleet, it became a national tragedy. Neither the 38th nor the 39th for Japan were disastrous. And in 45, it was not the USSR that single-handedly overwhelmed Japan, before the United States battered it very well.
      1. Sapsan136
        
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        3 September 2021 17: 33
        
        Everything that the Anglo-Saxons did in 1945 is more than canceled out by the defeat of the million-strong Kwantung Army of Japan, which was on the defensive, had long-term firing points and they did not save it, this is firstly ... Secondly, we can speak for a long time about the hardness of the eggs of the inhabitants of the Kremlin and yes, they often do not differ in hardness, but sometimes they are thrust into feats, take Crimea, for example, or distribute them across Ichkeria (2nd Chechen, despite the fact that Yeltsin preferred to stand in front of Dudayev, in fact, cancer), put in Saakishvili's place (here exactly put in place, because they could have been caught and hanged, or destroyed like Dudayev, and it would have been correct, they could, but not destroyed) ... And finally, the third and most important thing - As DeBreilly said in the famous film - Paris loves winners ... no one likes the losers and the Russian Federation is no exception ... The infusion of the Russo-Japanese War cost the 1905 revolution to Nikolai II, from which that political system could not recover ... For the current government in the Russian Federation, victory or defeat from Japan is and they will have the most serious consequences ... So if the GDP and the company still have a sense of self-preservation, they will beat Japan with all types of weapons, including nuclear weapons, and the USA and their six can be declared an outcast of the Russian Federation at any time, even it is not worth paying, because there are people in the United States whose adequacy is in question, and their desire to rule the World is off the charts ... But everyone who wanted to rule the World always ends up badly ...
2. guleg
  
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  3 September 2021 00: 15
  
  Quote: An K-s
  Japan will defeat us in one case, when its army reaches Moscow
  
  she didn’t come to Russian-Japanese. didn't even intend to. But she won. And grabbed the territory. Learn history.
  1. Ulysses
    
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    3 September 2021 22: 33
    
    she didn’t come to Russian-Japanese. didn't even intend to. But she won. And grabbed the territory. Learn history.
    
    History, vindictive aunt.
    Today you are a winner, and tomorrow you are trampled.
    1. guleg
      
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      4 September 2021 00: 07
      
      Quote: Ulysses
      History
      
      history is what it is. Or argue with the obvious? In your parallel reality, Japan had plans to occupy the capital of Ingushetia? Or did Russia not suffer defeat as a result of the RYAV, although the Japanese boot did not set foot on the streets of St. Petersburg?
Bulanov

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1 September 2021 13: 17

This is more than enough to carry out a naval blockade and the subsequent seizure of the Kuril Islands.

After the first captured or sunk Russian vessel heading for the Kuril Islands, the entire Japanese fleet and Japanese ports could easily become targets for non-nuclear hypersonic weapons of the Russian Federation. If the conflict unfolds further, then according to the defense doctrine of the Russian Federation, nuclear weapons can be used.
Japan wants to also lose Hokkaido, which, according to the results of 2 MV, should have belonged to the USSR?
1. Alexander K_2
  
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  1 September 2021 19: 58
  
  Except in cartoons of non-nuclear hypersonic weapons of the Russian Federation is not observed!
  1. Ulysses
    
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    1 September 2021 22: 56
    
    Professionals in this area (and not on our part) disagree with you, to put it mildly.
    
    Although recent history shows that there are enough bearded Taliban with a minimum of weapons for you, there would be a desire, and the fairy tale becomes a reality.
    1. guleg
      
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      3 September 2021 00: 22
      
      Quote: Ulysses
      Professionals in this area (and not on our part) disagree with you, to put it mildly
      
      Yes? And what do the "professionals" say?
      1. Ulysses
        
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        3 September 2021 19: 15
        
        The United States recognizes that Russia and China are ahead of the Americans in the development of hypersonic weapons, said at a briefing at the Pentagon Department of Defense Research and Engineering Program Manager Mark Lewis; and his deputy for hypersonic systems, Michael White.
        
        guleg
        
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        3 September 2021 23: 57
        
        It's funny, really)) As if you don't know why such statements are made. With only one goal - "we have an enemy, he is ahead of us, and therefore give us more money so that we create our own miracle weapon." And if you scare them properly, they will give you. A trick that has been done with the US Congress more than once.
        But the mention of China and the "frenzied lag" of the United States in the field of hypersonic weapons from your lips suggests that you yourself are very ignorant of the state of affairs in this area.
2. guleg
  
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  3 September 2021 00: 24
  
  Quote: Bulanov
  After the first captured or sunk Russian vessel heading for the Kuril Islands, the entire Japanese fleet and Japanese ports could easily become targets for non-nuclear hypersonic weapons of the Russian Federation.
  
  it is, is it the most hypersonic weapon? And do you have any idea how rockets are used (at least hyper, at least not hypersonic)?
  
  Quote: Bulanov
  Japan wants to lose Hokkaido too
  
  Japan is a member of the United States. I don't think the US will want to lose Japan.
  1. Sapsan136
    
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    3 September 2021 17: 36
    
    The United States can lose itself if it unleashes a war with a nuclear power, so here they need to think about themselves, and not about Japan, especially since if a new Russo-Japanese war begins, it will be at the initiative of Japan, and it is very stupid occupation ... The military doctrine of the Russian Federation clearly states that if more than one country starts to fight against the Russian Federation, the Russian Federation will use its Strategic Missile Forces.
    1. guleg
      
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      4 September 2021 00: 03
      
      Quote: Sapsan136
      The military doctrine of the Russian Federation clearly states that if more than one country starts to fight against the Russian Federation, the Russian Federation will use its Strategic Missile Forces.
      
      firstly, it says something completely different. or you do not understand the meaning of what is written. Secondly, no one is going to throw nuclear weapons at once. The United States and NATO will have enough forces and means to wage war with conventional precision weapons, the damage from which will be no less than from nuclear weapons. And for the first to use nuclear weapons, the consequences will be extremely sad. Nowadays, strategic nuclear weapons are a kind of deterrent, but which no one will use unless there is a very, very urgent need.
      Otherwise, everything would be simple - you don't need a fleet, an air force, or an army. The Strategic Missile Forces alone are enough. Whoever looks askance at us (even the zashtatniki, even the barmaley, even the pirates) - that one will immediately go to nuclear ashes. Nonsense, don't you think? And it does not fit in with reality.
      1. Sapsan136
        
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        6 September 2021 12: 44
        
        You scared a hedgehog with your bare booty. In a country that has lost the war, the consequences will be sad, so the Russian Federation will use both nuclear and volume-detonating weapons in order to exclude its defeat, at least and by the way, Japan is not included in NATO ... and the agreement between the United States and Japan does not apply to the Kuriles. I find ... the United States used nuclear weapons against Japan to scare the USSR with it, so the Russian Federation is good at protecting its borders ...
  2. Ulysses
    
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    3 September 2021 22: 36
    
    Japan is a member of the United States. Do not think, that the US would want to lose Japan.
    
    But sometimes the brain must be turned on.
    Especially after the Afghan events ..
    
    There was a "special relationship" too.
    1. guleg
      
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      4 September 2021 00: 03
      
      Quote: Ulysses
      But sometimes the brain must be turned on
      
      include. Or is the switch broken? ..))
    2. guleg
      
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      4 September 2021 11: 33
      
      Quote: Ulysses
      Especially after the Afghan events ..
      
      There was a "special relationship" too.
      
      nothing you compare Afghanistan with Japan))) Japan is a strategically important ally, an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Pacific Ocean. And who are the Afghans? Indeed -
      
      Quote: Ulysses
      sometimes you have to turn on the brain
Marzhecki

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1 September 2021 13: 46

Quote: An K-s
Author, Japan will defeat us in one case, when its army reaches Moscow. Everything else is verbal diarrhea in favor of the poor.

In Russian-Japanese, did the Japanese also reach St. Petersburg (Moscow)? We did not reach, but Tsushima took place, the defeat was recorded, and we gave up half of Sakhalin.
Learn the story ..
Even now they don't need to go as far as Moscow. It will be enough for them to squeeze and hold Kurila.
1. An K-s
  
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  1 September 2021 16: 16
  
  Give me an example when, in a large-scale conflict, an island could overcome a continent?
  1. Marzhecki
    
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    1 September 2021 17: 32
    
    Russian-Japanese War of 1905.
    The numerous wars that Great Britain has fought around the world. For example, the Falklands War
  2. Alexander K_2
    
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    1 September 2021 19: 56
    
    Can Russia get involved in a large-scale conflict at the moment? Does Russia have human and financial resources for this?
    1. Marzhecki
      
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      2 September 2021 04: 28
      
      And who offers Russia to get involved in the conflict? The article is devoted to how to defend their Kuril Islands from the possible aggression of Japan.
      1. Alexander K_2
        
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        3 September 2021 20: 01
        
        And how to defend it can be seen from the article, the article itself?
  3. Understanding
    
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    2 September 2021 10: 13
    
    Russian-Japanese War, early 20th century. Now the situation in our country is similar to 1904. Wild capitalism, the wildest theft and a super wild system of state management. All the reasons to fuck up the war are obvious.
2. Dear sofa expert.
  
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  1 September 2021 21: 44
  
  … .But one should be aware that, according to the unwritten rules of international relations, its use is taboo. Nuclear weapons (NW) are something that you can have as a threat to potential aggressors, but really not be used. A country that has decided to launch a nuclear strike against another country in the 21st century, if it is, of course, not the "hegemon" himself, will immediately be turned into an outcast outcast by all at the suggestion of the "civilized" Western community ...
  
  Firstly, the rules are really “unwritten”, so it makes no sense to “read” them here and now.
  
  Secondly, in the ninth article of the basic law (constitution) of Japan, it is said that in Japan "land, sea and air forces, as well as other means of war, will never be created in the future." In addition, the document clearly prohibits an offensive war.
  This was once insisted on by the WWII victor countries.
  Creating an army and navy today, the Japanese initially violate the rules established for them, therefore, as “repeat offenders” who violated the ban, they will be treated with any measures that Russia deems acceptable for the current situation, and without any regard for any “ civilized worlds ”. (and "worlds", by the way, in the course).
  
  PS By the way, Putin, by the way, has already answered you with his well-known phrase to the "prospect of an outcast outcast": "Why do we need such a world in which there will be no Russia?"
  
  In general, with regards to:
  
  Perhaps only the presence of a nuclear arsenal in Russia is a deterrent,
  
  Frankly speaking, a small territory of Japan has about 40 active nuclear reactors (17 nuclear power plants). This makes the use of nuclear weapons by Russia optional. It is enough to use conventional high-precision weapons to replicate Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so to speak, in twenty-fold size.
3. Ulysses
  
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  1 September 2021 23: 18
  
  In Russian-Japanese, did the Japanese also reach St. Petersburg (Moscow)? We did not reach, but Tsushima took place, the defeat was recorded, and we gave up half of Sakhalin.
  Learn the story ..
  
  The defeat was initiated by interested parties from Great Britain to other interested countries.
  
  Has a Japanese boot set foot on the territory of Russia proper?
  
  The land army lost the battles in China, but the Japanese were able to overpower only part of Sakhalin.
  
  In 45, they were kicked towards the rising sun.
  
  At the exit, what did we give ???
  And who is there to teach history ...
  1. Understanding
    
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    2 September 2021 10: 19
    
    Has a Japanese boot set foot on the territory of Russia proper?
    
    Stepped and it is common knowledge. And the Yapas of that time did not need to go to Moscow or at least to the Urals. And in 45m they were already at war with another state. So we're not talking about revenge. RI lost to the trash.
4. Rum rum
  
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  2 September 2021 01: 11
  
  Pan Marzecki. Let me ask you: What will the rest of the Russian army do in your scenario? Well, for example, classical aviation, or missile systems of all types? And nothing, that from Sakhalin to Japan there is only one spit, even from Vladivostok it is not a problem to spit it out?
  Stop spinning the "spherical horse in a vacuum".
  Any aggression against Russian territories gives Russia the right to respond by ANY means (except nuclear).
  I understand that you really like aircraft carriers (I also like these beautiful ships), but now this question is not very timely - there are enough other problems in the fleet. Everything has its time.
Sergey Latyshev

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1 September 2021 14: 31

On the one hand, everything is close.
On the other hand, what is Japan now in the world in terms of GDP and population? moreover, they do not have oil, gas, nickel, timber, wheat and steel for export. Pure economic power.

1-2 aircraft carriers will not decide much, Yapi will build 1 on 5.
And it is stupid to repeat the 2nd World War, to go head-on and squeeze, they will not, the times are not the same. The buffer zone technique has been known for a long time.
1. Marzhecki
  
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  1 September 2021 18: 22
  
  1-2 aircraft carriers will not decide much, Yapi will build 1 on 5.
  
  You are totally wrong.
  even 1 aircraft carrier turns the Pacific Fleet into an AUG and radically expands its capabilities:
  1) air cover for our ships from Japanese fighters,
  2) the possibility of air strikes against Japanese ships by our carrier-based aircraft,
  3) target designation by an AWACS aircraft launched from an aircraft carrier for DA bombers that flew from the coast with "Daggers" on a suspension;
  4) export of Tu-22M3 in the sky over the sea by carrier-based fighters for safe access to the distance of striking the Japanese
  it turns out that only 1 aircraft carrier at the head of the fleet in conjunction with naval missile-carrying aviation (long-range) is able to repel the attack of the Japanese, who outnumber us.
  
  On the other hand, what is Japan now in the world in terms of GDP and population? moreover, they do not have oil, gas, nickel, timber, wheat and steel for export. Pure economic power.
  
  the Turks are not doing very well in the economy either, but they are pushing their idea of reviving the Ottoman Empire and pushing forward. For the Japanese, the Kuril Islands are a symbol of revenge and rebirth.
  1. Sergey Latyshev
    
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    1 September 2021 19: 53
    
    Everything is correct. Air cover is strong, but it ends quickly, WW2 showed.
    
    1) It must be borne in mind that they will not sit idly by. Will build and strengthen. 4th world economy, like?
    2) There are close to Korea, China, islands, and everyone is at knives with each other.
    It is worth zhahnut some Chelyabinsk meteor, the PRC rocket, the Taiwan mess, and following the example of the LPR, Karabakh, Abkhazia, Panama or the Dutch Heights, you can play combinations without formally capturing anything, they say we have nothing to do with, purely volunteers ...
  2. Ulysses
    
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    1 September 2021 23: 45
    
    You are totally wrong.
    even 1 aircraft carrier turns the Pacific Fleet into an AUG and radically expands its capabilities:
    1) air cover for our ships from Japanese fighters,
    2) the possibility of air strikes against Japanese ships by our carrier-based aircraft,
    3) target designation by an AWACS aircraft launched from an aircraft carrier for DA bombers that flew from the coast with "Daggers" on a suspension;
    4) export of Tu-22M3 in the skies over the sea by carrier-based fighters for safe access to the strike range against the Japanese.
    
    Storyteller..
    1) Not one, not two or more aircraft carriers will not be able to provide cover for ships from massive coastal air raids.
    No such cases have been recorded in history.
    
    2) Tell us about what kind of our carrier-based aircraft will be able to deliver your mythical air strikes ???
    "The outfit of forces and means" clearly does not correspond to your fantasies.
    
    3) We do not have an "AWACS aircraft" launched from an aircraft carrier, perhaps you have such a phantom, then present it to the general public.
    
    4) Not an export, but an escort, you are ours.
    You are in such a hurry to scribble articles that you have completely stopped using at least a cheap proofreader.
    
    And again you are carrying nonsense.
    By themselves, long-range bombers now do not need fighter escort.
    They will shoot at you many kilometers away and by no means trivial cast iron ...
    1. Marzhecki
      
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      2 September 2021 04: 42
      
      2) Tell us about what kind of our carrier-based aircraft will be able to deliver your mythical air strikes ???
      "The outfit of forces and means" clearly does not correspond to your fantasies.
      
      The point is that it is not in the Pacific Fleet. The article is dedicated to what it should be.
      
      We do not have an "AWACS aircraft" launched from an aircraft carrier, perhaps you have such a phantom, then present it to the general public. feel
      
      Again, he is not there, but he is needed. About that and the article. At least try to understand what you are reading and undertake to comment.
      
      And again you are carrying nonsense.
      By themselves, long-range bombers now do not need fighter escort.
      They will shoot at you many kilometers away and by no means trivial cast iron.
      
      Yeah of course. in the coverage area of the AUG wing. F-35s also fly "many kilometers."
      
      e export, and escort Dear you are ours.
      You are in such a hurry to scribble articles that you have completely stopped using at least a cheap proofreader.
      
      You are not rude to me. What do you allow yourself?
      1. Ulysses
        
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        2 September 2021 15: 46
        
        The point is that it is not in the Pacific Fleet. The article is dedicated to what it should be.
        
        Uh-huh.
        Tomorrow you will give birth to her, solely by the power of writing a couple of dozen more articles?
        There is no need to agitate me for what I understand perfectly well without you.
        Better tell us about the real steps in this thread.
        
        The construction of defenseless self-propelled barges with a helicopter deck can only surprise me.
        Like most experts in this topic.
      2. Ulysses
        
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        2 September 2021 16: 17
        
        You are not rude to me. What do you allow yourself?
        
        Let me be critical of your "articles".
        I have the right.
2. guleg
  
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  3 September 2021 00: 28
  
  You forget that at least the United States is behind Japan. Add up their fleet and their aviation.
  1. Ulysses
    
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    3 September 2021 22: 52
    
    You forget that at least the United States is behind Japan. Add up their fleet and their aviation.
    
    So they stand behind their backs.
    The Americans will definitely not fight for Japanese interests in the Kuril Islands.
    "Hegemon" is not up to it now.
Guest throat bone

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1 September 2021 15: 19

What are the Japanese ??? This is the most depressed nation, they were broken, physically, morally and spiritually .. there is no one to fight there ..
1. Marzhecki
  
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  1 September 2021 17: 33
  
  You are mistaken, the nationalists have now raised their heads, they want revenge.
  1. Ulysses
    
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    1 September 2021 23: 49
    
    You have beguiled the nationalists with the chrysanthemum lovers society.
    1. Marzhecki
      
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      2 September 2021 04: 33
      
      I have not confused anyone with anyone and, unlike you, I understand the subject of the conversation better.
      1. Ulysses
        
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        2 September 2021 15: 17
        
        You are carrying an outright blizzard, representing Japanese society as a bunch of revanchists.
        The Japanese government, of course, uses the Kuril theme to distract society from internal problems, but there is no general understanding.
        The carrot does not fire, because the ordinary Japanese knows that nothing will break off from these islands.
        
        In fact, you disperse the hysteria of the Japanese militant margins, which are found in any country that has lost the war.
        
        Why do you need this ??
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2. Ulysses
  
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  1 September 2021 23: 47
  
  Well, Marzhetsky should write articles.
  Tomorrow he will think of something else ..
  1. Marzhecki
    
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    2 September 2021 04: 34
    
    I will definitely come up with it. If anything, you can try to write your scribble and send it to the editorial office. You clearly consider yourself very smart.
    And we will read, discuss, see if you are as smart as you think.
    P.S. judging by the greyhound in the comments, there is no mind at all
    1. Ulysses
      
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      2 September 2021 15: 28
      
      Um.
      I'm not a writer, however ...
      It's just a classic education, still Soviet.
      Intermediate to Advanced.
      Again, he is curious about historical topics.
      
      The lifestyle does not allow me to earn by writing articles on topics where I am not with my ear, not my snout.
      Like some "writers".
      Therefore, I will remain in the category of "critics".
Tektor

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1 September 2021 17: 34

We have Iskanders and Daggers. These missiles can sink any yupps' surface troughs at most - within 7 minutes. You just need to place them on time on the lines of duty.
And there are submarines with Calibers. DBK Ball and Bastion ... No need to be ashamed of your complexes! If the yappas are just getting started ...
1. Marzhecki
  
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  2 September 2021 04: 37
  
  For Zircons, Iskander and Daggers, target designation is needed so that they hit the target.
  Submarines are superb, but the Japanese have an advantage in submarines and in their means of fighting submarines.
  Balls and Bastions are a thing, but a potential enemy will have at least 40 5th generation aircraft on aircraft carriers, for which coastal missile systems are the primary target.
  In general, not everything is so simple.
  1. Ulysses
    
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    2 September 2021 16: 46
    
    For Zircons, Iskander and Daggers, target designation is needed so that they hit the target.
    
    You definitely don't need a floating trough with helicopters for this.
    You were somehow blown away so quickly ...
    
    Showing complete ignorance of the matter.
Alexander K_2

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1 September 2021 19: 53

Who will live in the "new cities" -1? Will the Peter the Great TARK reach the Pacific Ocean-2? Who and where will build the newest aircraft carriers, how to arm these ships, where to store them, who will use them -3?
Dust

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1 September 2021 20: 52

Perhaps only the presence of a nuclear arsenal in Russia is a deterrent, but one should be aware that, according to the unwritten rules of international relations, its use is taboo.

What a taboo ?! Have you read the military doctrine when you can use nuclear weapons? Here is an excerpt from it - III. Conditions for the transition of the Russian Federation to the use of nuclear weapons

17. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when it is itself at risk the existence of the state.

18. The decision to use nuclear weapons is made by the President of the Russian Federation.

19. The conditions that determine the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons by the Russian Federation are:

a) the receipt of reliable information about the launch of ballistic missiles attacking the territory of the Russian Federation and (or) its allies;

b) the use by the enemy of nuclear weapons or other types of weapons of mass destruction in the territories of the Russian Federation and (or) its allies;

c) the enemy's influence on critical state or military facilities of the Russian Federation, the disabling of which will lead to the disruption of the response actions of the nuclear forces;

d) aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is jeopardized.

In the event of a real military incident, the Japanese will simply be buried on these islands.
Ulysses

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1 September 2021 22: 34

History shows that the Japanese are capable of daring and decisive moves, and the level of militarization of the mood of society in the Land of the Rising Sun is constantly growing.

The entire post-war history of Japan shows the opposite.

If there is no order, turn everything upside down.
In Afghanistan, everyone was seen, including Estonians.
The Japanese were not seen.
The "daring and decisive" have never been seen anywhere since the end of the Second World War.
There have been so many non-fighting post-war generations that the "level of militarization" can be safely attributed to the irrepressible fantasies of the author of the article.

If you go to the Pacific Ocean in 15-20 years, then the Russian fleet, having in the TARK of the Orlan project, a UDC with a dozen helicopters on board and a couple of aircraft carriers with a hundred aircraft, as well as modern multipurpose frigates of the 22350 and 22350M projects, will be able to to restrain any revanchist sentiments of the Japanese. And it will not cost that fantastic money.

The author forgot the lessons of Port Arthur and the sad fate of Rozhdestvensky's squadron.
The USSR did not defeat Japan in naval battles.
One Japanese heavy cruiser of those times would have melted the entire DF of the USSR without much difficulty.

Revanchist sentiments of the Japanese restrain the Strategic Missile Forces and coastal units , without crazy fantasies about "our squadrons, plowing the expanses of the Sea of Japan."
1. guleg
  
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  4 September 2021 00: 20
  
  Quote: Ulysses
  The "daring and decisive" have never been seen anywhere since the end of the Second World War.
  
  uuu ... how everything is neglected)) You do not know history at all. Japan is prohibited from participating in wars, except for the defense of the Japanese islands proper, by the Constitution. According to the results of the Second World War, she was allowed to have only the Self-Defense Forces. But now in Japan there are forces that are advocating the revision of these provisions and the introduction of amendments to the Basic Law. Which will allow Japan and a strong (including aircraft carrier) fleet to have, and not only to run around the islands with machine guns, nor anywhere else. "Fortunately," there has already been a precedent - Japanese forces took part in the operation in Iraq in 2004. In addition, Japan supported the MNF during the Gulf War with a lot of money.
Siegfried

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2 September 2021 00: 56

Why do we need a fleet if the islands are close by? We from the mainland can perfectly drown everything that floats in our sea zone. And given the size of Japan, the strikes with cruise and, in the long term, hypersonic missiles on the naval infrastructure of Japan will quickly bring them to their senses. We have nothing to lose there .. well, they will sink TF, strike at what? Vladivostok? airfields? We won't even have to rush, we will tighten up the missile strike capabilities and turn off the lights for them, for a start in the northern prefecture. We do not have critical vulnerabilities there, except for the loss of the fleet ... but this is conditional and the best fleet we do not need there. All the same, we cannot build a TF that can compete on an equal footing with Japan. Shock submarines are needed there to sink their ships and strike at the mainland.
Vladimir Mamkin

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2 September 2021 01: 12

I won't say about the fleet, but Japan will disappear into the abyss for sure. The military potentials are too different. One nuclear submarine will be enough to destroy the Japanese bases.
Marzhecki

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2 September 2021 04: 29

Quote: Rum Rum
Pan Marzecki. Let me ask you: What will the rest of the Russian army do in your scenario? Well, for example, classical aviation, or missile systems of all types? And nothing, that from Sakhalin to Japan there is only one spit, even from Vladivostok it is not a problem to spit it out?

Khlopets Roman, I have already answered this question to your colleague Serzh Latyshev
Marzhecki

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2 September 2021 04: 31

Quote: Ulysses
The author forgot the lessons of Port Arthur and the sad fate of Rozhdestvensky's squadron.
The USSR did not defeat Japan in naval battles.
One Japanese heavy cruiser of those times would have melted the entire DF of the USSR without much difficulty.

The author, unlike you, knows the story very well, and therefore does not want a repetition of Tsushima-2, which is provided for us in the current state of affairs. Moreover, unlike you, the author offers very specific measures.
1. Ulysses
  
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  2 September 2021 16: 26
  
  The author, unlike you, knows the story very well, and therefore does not want a repetition of Tsushima-2,
  
  The author is still pushing Russia to Tsushima-2, since the General Staff does not share his opinion "to instill and drown."
Marzhecki

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2 September 2021 04: 32

Quote: Dust
What a taboo ?! Have you read the military doctrine when you can use nuclear weapons? Here is an excerpt from it - III. Conditions for the transition of the Russian Federation to the use of nuclear weapons

Don't poke me. I have already said everything about this.
An K-s

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2 September 2021 06: 15

Pan author, they are trying to convey to you that the state of Japan will fight for the islands not by D.F.O, but by the state of Russia. And unlike you, the author of a big fan of huge ships in the Japanese General Staff knows that Russia is in a state of impunity to shoot non-nuclear weapons at the cities and villages of Japan, so they need to get to Moscow to stop this disgrace,
shinobi

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2 September 2021 07: 03

Japan will not make any sudden moves without the help of the United States, against anyone, not at all. The United States will now be extremely cautious about any adventures. Hypothetically, the seizure of the islands can be carried out even with small forces, subject to surprise. BUT! With surprise now in this region is sooo tight. Everyone is watching everyone. To reach the ports of deployment of the Japanese fleet now, this is not at all the same as in the great war. Actually for this, even it is not necessary to take anything far into the sea-ocean. So this is all from the category of scary scenarios and theorizing. Japan is well aware that the islands are not the price for a full-fledged military conflict with a nuclear power.
Valery Vinokurov

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2 September 2021 08: 08

Who wrote this Russophobe?
It is not aircraft carriers (floating coffins worth billions) that need to be built, but airfields in the Far East
From the Elizovo airfield in Kamchatka, we easily reach America without any aircraft carriers, as an example
We have the strongest army in the world, and if Japan sticks out, then no matter how we annex Japan to the Kuriles, and not vice versa, Japan, unlike the author-Russophobe, or an idiot at best, understands this and will never stick up
Because the author agitates to throw us billions down the drain, at least something, but only who will listen to idiots ??
1. Ulysses
  
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  2 September 2021 16: 40
  
  Who wrote this Russophobe?
  It is not aircraft carriers (floating coffins worth billions) that need to be built, but airfields in the Far East
  From the Elizovo airfield in Kamchatka, we easily reach Omeriki without any aircraft carriers, as an example
  
  "Patriot Marzhetsky" knows better from his sofa.
  The further I read his opuses, the more I am convinced, a cossack sent.
  He was especially touched by the post that it was useless to poke around in Antarctica, when all the riches of the Arctic were at hand.
faiver

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2 September 2021 09: 38

Japan has a problem that negates its entire combat potential - it is a very small territory and fifty nuclear reactors located in this territory. There is no need for the Russian Federation to use nuclear weapons against Japan, enough non-nuclear missile strikes on Japanese nuclear power plants and the state of Japan will cease to exist. You can also recall the overpopulated cities of Japan, there is such an experience, because the bombing and subsequent fire in Tokyo in March 45 during WW2 claimed more Japanese lives than in Hiroshima or Nagasaki
1. boriz
  
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  3 September 2021 11: 19
  
  Unfortunately, their nuclear power plants, destroyed by our missiles, will become our problem as well. Distance to Japan is too short Fukushima too little?
  The bombing of Tokyo as in 1945 is not relevant now. Then the city was made of wood and paper, all buildings burned like matchboxes. Now - concrete / glass / metal. The building itself can catch fire, but it is unlikely to set fire to the neighboring ones.
KrasOld

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2 September 2021 16: 32

Interestingly, if Poseidon is blown up from the southeastern coast of Japan, the wave, overflowing the Japanese islands, will reach Vladivostok?
NikolayN

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2 September 2021 21: 17

Let's calm down. We don't need to get involved in an arms race. And there is no need to weaken a potential adversary. M. b. and the eighth civilized world led by Ukraine ... but Japan will no longer be there, probably it should be important for them, in any case it is more important what the whole civilized world will say there, led by Ukraine. And the geographic location of Japan is very convenient, just like that of Britain. Compact enough.
BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine

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2 September 2021 22: 46

Nadys kin saw (forgot what it is called), but there Trshch Yn drowned 3 (!!!) Amerskih AUGs with a single bomb! So too, we - when the Japs attack, we will simply bomb their islands with hydrogen - and - SILENCE ...
py si
Firstly, the three Shoigov towns are a gamble that only the enemy of the people will go for.
secondly, we do not need the Pacific fleet - there are enough coastal batteries of atomic missiles
thirdly, aircraft carriers are junk, a floating target!
So don't be fooled, Putin, they make a fool of you, they make a fool of you in broad daylight, you see, they consider themselves very smart!
guleg

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3 September 2021 00: 14

Alas, in the Far East, this is not very good.

- with this in general, everything is bad. And to use a nuclear baton, you need will and steel eggs. Which is also not observed.
Pavel57

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3 September 2021 00: 23

It is necessary to threaten Japan with nuclear weapons as a tsunami generator.
Denis radish

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3 September 2021 06: 02

what kind of fantasy?
mobile741

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3 September 2021 13: 47

The author has got some kind of spherical horse in a vacuum. The most terrible enemy of the ship is an aircraft with an anti-ship missile, 2 helicopter carriers will not provide an advantage in the region that the continental aviation can reach.
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Alexander Klevtsov

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9 October 2021 13: 33

And this one stands up for cities in Siberia, the people are definitely sick ...
k.slavyanin

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26 October 2021 13: 03

Stupidity. Erase Japan is half an hour for Russia. Nothing can save Japan
Altdoch

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6 December 2021 19: 16

Where is the money zine? In Cyprus, in the states, in the same Japan, in Austria, in Switzerland. What to build and maintain?
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Kade_t

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10 February 2022 16: 32

The Bal and Bastion complexes, from the Kuriles and from the mainland, will melt all landing and attack ships like kittens. The S-400 will not even let them take off, tactical missiles with SBC will be used 100%, they will extinguish airfields, port infrastructures, power plants, and no one will help them. Everyone is shaking with fear.
Cambustiologist

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11 February 2022 20: 27

All this, of course, is more or less correct, but the author forgot about tactical nuclear weapons with which we surpass all NATO members combined. The Japanese will never forget September 45. And the fact that the fleet needs to be strengthened is not even going to a fortune teller. Don't make waves.