The place for the new city in Siberia was not chosen by chance

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And again about the "cities of Shoigu". The town-planning initiatives of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu caused a lot of emotions, positive and negative, in Russia and abroad. There was a lot of criticism in the spirit of the fact that there is no money in the country, that all this is empty projecting and pre-election "manilovism", that it is better to spend budget funds on already existing cities than to fence them from scratch in an open field, wolves and bears in his mind will not go, etc. in the same spirit. Recently, the press leaked information about where the first Shoiguburg might appear, and after getting acquainted with the preliminary parameters of this project, we can conclude that it is being built on quite sound foundations and has a good chance of taking place.

It is worth recalling that Sergei Kuzhugetovich, voicing his initiative, made a reference to the experience of the USSR, obviously inspired by Soviet plans for the development of Siberia. I.V. Stalin wanted to connect the western and eastern parts of the country with three parallel railways - the Transsib, the BAM and the Transpolar railway, and they were also supposed to be crossed by railways perpendicularly from south to north. In particular, the so-called Northern Latitudinal Railway was to be extended to Yamal as an offshoot of the Transpolar Railway. Thus, a single and reliable system of transport connectivity of the largest country on the planet was formed, and large settlements were supposed to be built at the intersections. Alas, not all plans were destined to come true, but at present the government of the Russian Federation has begun to expand the capacity of the Trans-Siberian and Baikal-Amur highways, and a highway with a total length of 2545 kilometers stretches to the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug.



So, we see a return to some of the infrastructural ideas of the Soviet period. But where exactly can these “Shoigu cities” be built? Siberia is so big, and the federal budget is really not rubber. Wouldn't it be better to focus on the development of existing settlements, as the Siberians themselves say with noticeable resentment? The truth, as always, is somewhere in between. From information leaked to the domestic press, it became known that the first "Shoiguburg" could appear in the Minusinsk Basin, and the entire Angara-Yenisei macroregion will become the "anchor" for the project for the new development of Siberia. Why is it worth starting a new "conquest of Siberia" from there?

"Siberian Italy"


In the minds of the inhabitants of Central Russia, and even more so foreigners, Siberia is something so huge and sparsely populated on the map on the right, where eternally hungry bears roam, guarding the resource-rich subsoil from bearded geologists. It's always cold and scary there, and everyone wants to leave. But Siberia is so different.

The Minusinsk Basin, which is discussed in the framework of the urban planning initiatives of the Minister of Defense Shoigu, is located in the southern part of Eastern Siberia. This area is located between several mountain ranges and has an unusually mild climate. The average temperature in July is 21,1 degrees Celsius, in January - minus 18. Winters with little snow. Most of the soil in the basin is black soil; the growing season lasts 160 days. For such comfortable climatic conditions, the exiled Decembrists called the Minusinsk Basin "Siberian Italy". Like this. And we are told "on serious cabbage soup" tales that no one needs land in Siberia for nothing. Oh well.

Macroregion


The second thing I would like to draw your attention to is that "Shoiguburg" and the mentioned 3-5 cities will not be built in a spherical vacuum. As a fulcrum in this perspective with economic From the point of view of the region, the Angara-Yenisei macroregion can be used, which includes Khakassia, Tuva, Krasnoyarsk Territory and Irkutsk Region. In addition to the new million-plus city, which needs to be built, an emphasis will be placed on the development of existing ones: Bratsk (242 thousand people), Angarsk (231,9 thousand people), Ust-Ilimsk (83 thousand people), Ust-Kut (42 thousand people) ) and Sayansk (41 thousand people).

The Angara-Yenisei region has been in the priorities of the federal center for several years, being in the top five in terms of investment attractiveness. In the Krasnoyarsk Territory, Rusal and RusHydro are jointly building the Boguchansky Aluminum Plant. In the Irkutsk region, 170 billion rubles were invested in the construction of the Ust-Kutsk gas processing plant and another 168 billion in a polymer production plant in the same Ust-Kut. There are prospects for the development of mountain clusters in Angarsk, Bratsk and Ust-Ilimsk. Thus, there are already powerful city-forming enterprises. If the defense enterprises of the military-industrial complex are moved to the region away from NATO missiles, then the picture will sparkle with completely different colors. "Shoiguburg" will become an informal new capital of the macroregion, a large research and production center, and together with it, the total population of existing cities will grow in synergy.

Hydrogen cluster


But not only the defense industry can increase the wealth of Siberia. Shoiguburg has every chance of becoming an important center for the emerging hydrogen energy industry. As we already told, the leading world powers have begun the process of "decarbonization" of their economies. Russia has the necessary resources and Technology in order to become a major supplier of blue, yellow and green hydrogen. "Yellow", generated with the help of nuclear energy, is a new promising direction, which is being dealt with by the state corporation "Rosatom". Blue hydrogen is the topic of Gazprom and NOVATEK. And the "green", released from water with the help of renewable energy sources, can become the "Shoiguburg" project.

So, this new metropolis, most likely, will appear on the banks of the Yenisei, where the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station is located nearby. If we add together the river water and the energy of the water, then at the exit we get "green" hydrogen. Environmentally friendly fuel can be used both in the production of industrial products with a low "carbon footprint" and for export abroad. China, which may need "green" hydrogen, is not so far from the Minusinsk Basin.
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  1. -2
    16 August 2021 12: 58
    There is a rich coal deposit in the Minusinsk Basin. "Consortium Energoresurs" will only be glad of such state construction.
    1. -7
      16 August 2021 13: 15
      Not relevant for the future 10-15 years.
  2. -2
    16 August 2021 14: 26
    Back in 2019, at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, [Russian President Vladimir] Putin instructed the Russian government and the Russian Academy of Sciences to work out the issue of using the Minusinsk Valley "

    We got together to build a city and have not decided yet. For what? Money has nowhere to go! Palaces, yachts, high fences are already tired of them, give them cities!
  3. +2
    16 August 2021 15: 26
    With all due respect to the current Minister of Defense, the construction of a million-plus city in this macro-region is just damp dreams. The creation of a new-fashioned city-forming enterprise for the production of LGBT hydrogen or another open pit for coal mining does not have any economic justification for building a city with a million inhabitants. The article lists the settlements that are already suffering from a lack of labor and unemployment in the context of attracting guest workers from the Caucasus, Central Asia, China and Korea. Such import-oriented production should be located either closer to the sources of raw materials and energy or closer to the consumer. Well, the adequacy of the strategic thinking of the author of the transfer of the defense industry "beyond the Urals" in the realities of rocket and space technologies of the 21st century raises "great doubt"! Following the example of Israel, it is necessary not to hide behind the Urals, but to ensure the possibility of a preemptive strike against a potential aggressor.
  4. +6
    16 August 2021 15: 45
    We have all of Siberia and the Far East completely depopulated, come, China, take what you want, and our money in the personal accounts of Elvira Naibulina, and even all kinds of NWF are dead capital and rot, while there is tremendous unemployment in the country, and from here and human lack of money, and in central Russia life is not sugar, almost everywhere decline and oblivion, so this project, which is already at least 10 years old, involves building new town-forming enterprises on our no-man's land, developing new deposits of everything that is in our subsoil, then all this to be processed at our own enterprises, and only then the finished products and exported abroad. If Europe does not need this, then we have a huge market of countries throughout Asia and Africa, and part of Europe is not against our energy carriers and polymetals , so the construction of nine new megalopolises throughout Siberia and the East will revive our economy and the whole country, and this should be welcomed, and not jittery about this.
    1. -3
      16 August 2021 18: 28
      You are a genius person: design and develop! Today's "helmsmen" have children and grandchildren, they also need to sell something!
      1. -1
        16 August 2021 19: 37
        We, dear Alexander, are accustomed in our USSR to develop, and develop, and build and equip our great country, and after the elections we him the country will go on the right path, and dashing trouble is the beginning.
        1. -1
          16 August 2021 21: 24
          Sergey K-chu and who wanted to cut a thread with him.
          Nano-Skolkovo and the Vostochny cosmodrome have already been built, trillions have been mastered, you still need to do something else and put something else in your pocket for your grandchildren.
        2. +1
          17 August 2021 14: 45
          I am not against the Great Camp, which is called Russia. Unfortunately, in recent years it has been run by small "helmsmen".
          1. +2
            17 August 2021 19: 33
            Any country can be ruled by either wise people, or gray mediocrity, or scum, it has always been so, it will continue to be so, and from which side to look at it, someone deifies Gorbachev with Yeltsin, someone hates Stalin, but when he is being abused many "stagnation" of Leonid Ilyich, the people were satisfied with their lives and believed in their future.
            1. 0
              18 August 2021 08: 06
              stagnation is scolded to cover up their mistakes - a distraction !!!
  5. +5
    16 August 2021 16: 01
    Quote: Scharnhorst
    Well, the adequacy of the strategic thinking of the author of the transfer of the defense industry "beyond the Urals" in the realities of rocket and space technologies of the 21st century raises "great doubt"! Following the example of Israel, it is necessary not to hide behind the Urals, but to ensure the possibility of a preemptive strike against a potential aggressor.

    Oh, but where do I go with my thinking ... smile
    Doesn't it seem strange to you and your strategic thinking to compare the Russian Federation with Israel, with which we are in a completely different position? I especially smiled about a preemptive strike in the context of the defensive military doctrine of the Russian Federation. smile smile Change the doctrine, we will write articles in a different way. wink
    1. -3
      16 August 2021 18: 32
      Russia does not have enough "enemies", will Russia deliver preemptive strikes on its "friends"? But what about finances, real estate, and finally relatives and friends living with “enemies”? Talk nonsense, Mr. Marzhetsky!
    2. -2
      17 August 2021 10: 48
      Change the doctrine, we will write articles in a different way.

      I guess correctly that you have decided to replace the adequacy of strategic thinking with the servile opportunism of the slave "What do you want, sir ?!" Hope THIS was a bad joke. Well, as a Russian citizen, you should know that the severity of Russian laws is leveled by the non-binding nature of their implementation (transfer them to the top military leadership and doctrinal documents). 41 years must not be repeated!
      1. -2
        17 August 2021 17: 22
        What nonsense about opportunism? And what do you mean by a bad joke?
        And what does 41 have to do with it?
        The creation of a "Reserve Capital" in Siberia, surrounded by an echeloned missile defense system, and the relocation of military-industrial complex enterprises away from NATO's IRBM is a deterrent so that it will never happen again on June 22.
        I am writing based on a real situation. Or are you suggesting that I write a doctrine for the RF Ministry of Defense myself, providing for a preemptive strike?
        1. 0
          18 August 2021 09: 45
          ... the relocation of military-industrial complex enterprises away from NATO's IRBM is a deterrent ...

          One could simply continue to hold eastern Europe in a friendly embrace, and leave the Baltic states with Ukraine in the cage. The main deterrent was somewhere in Germany, and in Moscow the blue sky overhead.
          Interestingly, the city will be called "Yeltsin" or what other "whales" of Russian democracy they decided to perpetuate.
          1. 0
            18 August 2021 11: 59
            Are we talking about a real state of affairs or an alternative history?
            1. +1
              18 August 2021 19: 49
              The real state of affairs is the highlight of the program. That is what the Minister of Defense of the country should think about first of all, and he tells everyone about his celestial strategic-fantastic dreams.
              How about long-term plans for the development of the country and regions? Everything is calculated and planned there, then there are no problems. The construction site will be!
              But in reality, again, even to organize the overhaul of schools in the country, a whole "party" initiative was needed. Already something does not converge. And there are also fire victims, and the drowned are waving their hands on the horizon - build as much as you like.
      2. -1
        18 August 2021 08: 04
        41 years will not be repeated, provided that the General Staff is located 5-10 km from the border with the enemies !!
  6. -3
    16 August 2021 17: 45
    The construction of Shoigugrad in "Siberian Italy" seems to be very doubtful, but the fact that under the noise of screws in real Italy, as well as in other fertile resort places of the globe, new ones will be built and already built villas, palaces and castles will be bought by people from the close circle of the minister. ... The welfare of ordinary Russian servants of the people is growing at an unprecedented rate! bully
  7. 0
    16 August 2021 18: 24
    Will the Russian government also move to Siberia?
    1. -3
      16 August 2021 21: 27
      Nope.
      Only the Department of Defense. Closer to the native land of the minister himself.
  8. +2
    16 August 2021 20: 22
    They want to use electricity for all sorts of multi-colored hydrogens, but they forgot that we have fossil hydrogen lying right under our feet. There are only three or four places on earth (we have one of them) where hydrogen rushes straight out of the ground. In the USSR, they tried to launch such a project, but the 90s prevented it. I wonder what color this hydrogen would be.
    1. 123
      +1
      16 August 2021 21: 11
      we have fossil hydrogen lying right under our feet forgotten. There are only three or four places on earth (we have one of them) where hydrogen rushes straight out of the ground.

      Details will be?
      1. +2
        17 August 2021 07: 06
        For details, see Academician Larin in his book on the structure of the earth. In Transbaikalia, metal hydrides containing hydrogen are located close to the earth's surface. To extract - you pump water into a well and take away hydrogen.
        1. +1
          17 August 2021 07: 09
          It is roughly described here https://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/237861.html
          1. 123
            -1
            17 August 2021 11: 51
            Thanks for the link hi Looked briefly ... There are some doubts ...

            It is possible to extract natural hydrogen only by drilling deep wells in places where the so-called intermetallic compounds are relatively close to the surface - in zones of rift faults. Pump water there - and you get huge amounts of ultralight gas.

            He also pointed out several places of potential mining that he discovered: in our country (the Tunkinskaya depression near Baikal), Israel and some places in North America

            Follow the link to see in a little more detail what the Tunkinskaya depression is.
            The idea of ​​pumping water into the bowels there (by the way, near Baikal) does not seem so attractive to me. The rest of the indicated sources are somewhat not with us ... No.

            Tunkinskaya Valley is one of the pearls of nature in Buryatia. In this unique corner of the Pribaikalskaya depression at an altitude of 1200-2500 m above sea level, you can find many natural, historical and cultural attractions scattered over 200 km.

            https://tonkosti.ru

            But in 2009 it turned out that even this was not necessary, that in the European part of the Russian Federation there is a mass of natural hydrogen outcrops directly to the surface! And here you can restrict yourself to about a kilometer-long wells, dispensing with the injection of water into the bowels. Before us is a potential "hydrogen Kuwait" on the Russian Plain.

            We do not disclose the specific figures obtained as a result - this is the secret of the researchers. They concluded that in many places in the European territory of the Russian Federation there are porous geological structures at depths of about a kilometer, and these porous structures are filled with something more compressible than water.

            I like the idea of ​​Kuwait on the Russian Plain even less. Digging into karst voids in the hope of getting an unknown amount of "something more compressible than water" is a rather dubious business. For some reason I came up with a comparison with shale, hydraulic fracturing and what consequences it leads to. And the dips look something like this:


            http://rgo-speleo.ru/books/chikishev-karst_rus_ravniny.pdf

            This is how modern specialists describe the essence of the problem.

            Karst process
            The need for engineering-geological construction conditions in areas where karst processes and phenomena develop is obvious. Timely and detailed study of karst processes and phenomena in soils can at the planning stage of structures with a high probability prevent the dangerous consequences of construction work.
            Of all the geological processes, karst is the most difficult to predict, they are the most dangerous, and develop for hundreds of millions of years. Karst processes are one of the most difficult to predict dangerous geological processes.
            The peculiarity of karst processes is that they significantly complicate the process of construction and operation of buildings and structures, as well as hinder the rational use of agricultural land and cause significant damage to the population and economy. As a result of the influence of karst processes sedimentation and sinkholes of the earth's surface, deformation of structures up to their complete destruction, loss of water from small ponds through karst cavities in the sides and foundations of reservoirs, breakthroughs of karst waters into mine workings and tunnels, their flooding, pollution of underground waters occur.
            Studying karst when planning structures can largely prevent all these dangerous consequences.

            https://gge.ru/analytics/experts/svoevremennoe-i-podrobnoe-izuchenie-karstovykh-protsessov-i-yavleniy-v-pochvakh-mozhet-na-etape-plan/

            Can he try to interest Israeli specialists or US shale producers with his developments? Let the technology work out there? smile
            1. 0
              17 August 2021 12: 38
              They are already interested in Israel. This is not ours. Lost my link in English. translation. I can not find.
  9. +1
    16 August 2021 23: 12
    For a long time already, I read an article about the transfer of the capital of the state of Brazil from the city of Rio de Janeiro to the city of Brasilia. I forgot this article a few years ago, but I remember that this pleasure cost Brazil hundreds of billions of dollars ..... This idea reverberated around the country's budget for 15 years.
    1. -2
      16 August 2021 23: 54
      This idea reverberated to the country's budget for 15 years.

      It is in Brazil that they count how many years they go around.
      But I have not seen anywhere how many years the Olympics in Sochi, World Cup-18, Nano-Skolkovo, Vostochny cosmodrome or "friend Assad" have been around for the Russian budget.
      And if such figures appear somewhere in the foreign media, then there will be an immediate reaction - "vile enemies spitefully slander."
  10. 0
    17 August 2021 09: 23
    Quote: Alexander K_2
    Russia does not have enough "enemies", will Russia deliver preemptive strikes on its "friends"? But what about finances, real estate, and finally relatives and friends living with “enemies”? Talk nonsense, Mr. Marzhetsky!

    Mr. Scharnhorst said about a preemptive strike, accusing me of a lack of strategic thinking. Wrong address claim.
  11. 0
    17 August 2021 19: 19
    I am 100% sure - none of this WILL HAPPEN! Nobody from the well-fed Moscow region will go to Siberia. You will also invite from Europe! Only link or GULAG. And the times of Komsomol volunteers, alas, have sunk into the past.
  12. Wad
    +2
    17 August 2021 19: 36
    The spare capital will be located in the Urals. East of Yekaterinburg, 200 kilometers. There are no earthquakes and the entire transport infrastructure is well developed. It remains only to shrink Kazakhstan to the size of a village. Let them masturbate their nationalism with a fictional history.
  13. -1
    18 August 2021 07: 53
    and again all the Chinese! provide your own first !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  14. 0
    18 August 2021 10: 44
    I vote with both hands. I would like to add, maybe it's enough to sell energy abroad? The resource is not endless. If the climate in Europe is mild, then in Siberia the frost is not weak and cheap energy is very needed there. We send crude oil in millions of tons, keep gasoline prices high, oppressing our economy, and what will we do when the oil runs out?
  15. 0
    18 August 2021 17: 48
    It was necessary not to lose Ukraine, then the enemy would not have stood at our gates.
    1. -1
      19 August 2021 08: 40
      That's for sure. It's not too late to win back, only the price will be high
  16. +1
    18 August 2021 18: 09
    so this is not a joke? And this is very correct. I would like to move there ...
  17. 0
    20 August 2021 11: 26
    tshch Putin! stop this adventure before it's too late! better give money for the development of primordially Russian cities throughout Russia! (Chechens, Ingush, Daghs and other S-Caucasian trash - do not give, just in the face!)