Who will live in new Siberian cities

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The idea of ​​the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu to repopulate Siberia continues to be one of the most pressing topics of recent times. About what socialeconomic and a similar urban planning program can have a military significance for our country, we in detail told previously. All this is quite feasible, financially, technically, and organizationally, and this infrastructure project can become a powerful driver for the development of Siberia and the Far East. However, one very important question remains unsolved: who, in fact, can become a “colonist” who has gone to explore distant lands?

This question is far from idle. One of the most terrible problems of our country is depopulation, despite a whole range of measures being taken to increase the birth rate, Russia still has not been able to get out of the “demographic hole”. We are getting smaller from year to year, and the socio-economic situation in the regions forces the able-bodied population to move to large cities in Central Russia, closer to Moscow and St. Petersburg, where there is more work and higher wages. According to the forecasts of the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs, by 2050 the population of our country may decrease to 132,7 million people. The problem is extremely serious and needs to be addressed. But how?



"Komsomolskaya" construction site


The future, as you know, belongs to young people, but in our country, unfortunately, "social elevators" do not work as well as they did under the USSR. Go try to get a higher education in a budget place or get a good high-paying job, and you can only dream of your own home, except with the help of your parents and the hated mortgage. Of course, this does not apply to a rather narrow layer of "golden kids" on expensive foreign cars, whose whole life is arranged in advance from the cradle. But what should everyone else do? The project "settlement of Siberia and the Far East" could be a way out for them.

Do you want to get a job at the "Great Construction", but you are not trained to work with pens? Let the state at its own expense provide an opportunity to quickly obtain technical specialty and will distribute to a guaranteed job. Do you want to get a higher education for free? Let the authorities open universities in new cities and provide migrants with an opportunity to unlearn on the budget. Do you want your own accommodation? Let the employer, represented by the state, provide a service apartment with the possibility of its subsequent privatization, while banks give mortgages on the most favorable terms at a reduced interest rate. Well, why not try to move to a new place on such conditions?

But this is an internal migration process, but what about immigration?

Foreign Russians


As you know, after the collapse of the USSR, about 30 million Russians remained abroad. In recent years, the authorities have begun to actively support the return of compatriots from abroad. Russians are leaving Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Moldova, the Baltic states, and now from Ukraine. The state really began to help them, but if they were offered the same conditions that we described above, this immigration flow would undoubtedly increase. It’s one thing to move, you don’t understand where, it’s another thing to move to a new city that is being built from scratch according to the mind, where one enterprise after another is being opened. As a result, moving to Siberia or the Far East will become not a link, but a unique life opportunity.

"German settlement"


As strange as it may sound at this stage, such a proposal could also be of interest to citizens of other countries that are not ethnic Russians. No, we are not talking about immigrants from Central Asia, but about quite civilized Europeans or even Americans. Don't be in a hurry to scoff. Of course, in the European Union and the United States, the overall standard of living is much higher than in Russia. This is true. But Russia has something to offer that neither Brussels nor Washington will.

Despite the undoubted benefits of Western civilization, it also has a downside, which does not suit everyone. This is the invasion of migrants from the most disadvantaged countries in North Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia, as well as the active imposition of policy the so-called tolerance. Not everyone, not everyone is satisfied with this, therefore, internal migration processes become noticeable, when wealthy residents of Western Europe buy real estate and move their families to countries of Eastern and Southeastern Europe, where the scale of the above problems is not so great.

What can Russia give them?

First, the notorious "traditional values" of the Christian sense, the ban on LGBT propaganda, and so on. Second, and perhaps more importantly, we could offer the Europeans who are ready to move to us land. Yes, land. Land is a tremendous value because its quantity is limited. For reference, in Lithuania 1 hectare costs 3,5 thousand euros, in Hungary - 4,2 thousand, in the Czech Republic - 5,5 thousand euros, in the Netherlands - 63 thousand per hectare, and in Italian Liguria - 108 thousand. The spread is large, but it is obvious that land is a valuable and valuable resource. There is a lot of empty land in Siberia and the Far East. It is possible to form a program "Siberian hectare" for foreigners wishing to move to us, work or simply live peacefully on retirement.

Imagine the following picture: the average German pensioner, tired of being close to migrants from North Africa, applies to participate in the Siberian hectare program. Within the framework of the program, in the vicinity of a new metropolis under construction in Siberia, he can receive for free use (without the right to sell) a hectare of land for individual housing construction or agricultural processing. A wealthy German can afford to build a house in the suburbs at his own discretion and live quietly among his compatriots in the conditional "German settlement". He is granted a residence permit, and a German pension in Russian realities will be enough for his eyes, since the cost of living is lower than in Germany. And no unpleasant neighbors or gay pride parades for you.

It all sounds not so unrealistic. There would be a desire.
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  1. -1
    14 August 2021 16: 50
    Mr. Marzhetsky once again amused. So I imagine the crowd of average German pensioners moving to Siberia for permanent residence in old age! It is necessary to give out such nonsense! I sent the link to the article to my German friends and relatives, many of whom are just these average pensioners - that will be a laugh. I want to ask a question to the author: did you have to travel beyond one-sixth of the land yourself at least once? I think that Marzhetsky has never been farther than his native regional center, because if he happened to find himself for a week, at least in some Slovakia, he would understand that the standard of living and the culture of everyday life make Russia completely unsuitable for living any normative European ... Well, a European pensioner will not eat foods in palm oil, be treated in a district clinic and vaccinated with "Sputnik". hi
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    3. -1
      14 August 2021 19: 22
      Slovakia is a beautiful country, but the gypsy quarters in Kosice and Presov are not very good.
      As for the pensioner, you will be urged.
      My top five, I ask the chela, have you tried this beer, my three-ruble note was not there. Answer, English.

      Okay, duplicate. The answer is normal. Where are we from, Germany.
      At the checkout a little closer to me, I say, Zarema penny from Germany, make our discount. No problem.
      A wheelbarrow with our numbers tells his wife something excitedly.
      1. -5
        14 August 2021 20: 16
        Gypsy quarters in any place are not very beautiful, and I mentioned Slovakia offhand - the country is far from the most prosperous in Europe, but even from there people will not reach Siberia, there is no question of pensioners at all.
    4. -2
      14 August 2021 19: 24
      Here I agree, and even if it is a pensioner from Germany who sees the miracle of Russia, the Governor-Thief, he will immediately grab a heart attack, and even Savages with a street Lezginka will remind him of migrants from Africa (although they do not dance at night and on the street) and then they will in Siberia live only officials stealing and drug traffickers cops !!!!
    5. -1
      14 August 2021 22: 19
      In the new cities of Siberia, in addition to scientific, technical and industrial specialists -
      60% of residents will be workers from Central Asia, with Russian citizenship.
      And scientific and technical specialists can be from anywhere, even from the United States.
      1. +1
        17 August 2021 17: 55
        In the new cities of Siberia ...

        And what to do with ancient cities, for example, the order-bearing city of Kansk?
        In Soviet times, this city was one of the largest industrial centers in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, whose products were sold for export. And now the city-forming enterprises have been liquidated there. Unemployment and degradation, the population has declined significantly. The authorities would have been better off taking care of such Siberian cities and the restoration of their economies.
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      1. +1
        15 August 2021 07: 04
        Thanks for your kind words smile
        1. 0
          15 August 2021 07: 14
          Please!! And at the same time I would like to read a new article here about the Narcotic Genocide of the Russians, otherwise this topic was bypassed on VO !!!
          1. 0
            15 August 2021 07: 49
            For the choice of topics, please contact the editorial board. Such a task will be set, I will write.
    7. +1
      15 August 2021 07: 28
      I want to ask the author a question: did you have to travel beyond one-sixth of the land yourself at least once? I think that I have never been to the city of Marzhetsky further than my native regional center

      It happened smile

      the standard of living and the culture of everyday life make Russia completely unfit for the habitation of any normative European. Well, a European pensioner will not eat foods in palm oil, be treated in a district clinic and vaccinated with "Sputnik". hi

      We're talking about new cities. And the culture in Russia is clearly no worse than in Israel, for example, judging by you. wink

      Mr. Marzhetsky once again amused. So I imagine the crowd of average German pensioners moving to Siberia for permanent residence in old age! It is necessary to give out such nonsense!

      Yes, no problem, fun. I noticed a long time ago on what topics your pu..an breaks, a Ukrainian-Jewish-Israeli-American emigrant. So, we write everything correctly. tongue
  2. +1
    14 August 2021 18: 06
    And, another good idealistic wishlist against the background of pre-election PR

    "Let the state at its own expense ..... Let the authorities .... Let the employer ....."
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  5. -3
    14 August 2021 19: 11
    Depopulation !!!! Washington should erect a monument to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of all Union republics, they tried so hard for their benefits and pensions to "protect" drugs that they did it very well They destroyed millions in the 90s and continue to destroy them to this day, young people are deftly trapped at every step exposed by the cops provocateurs !!!
  6. -4
    14 August 2021 19: 14
    Can you imagine this cynicism !!!! ??? They just don't need corruption, they need Megacorruption to cash in on the construction of an entire city and not one but several !!!! The cosmodrome was already under construction, then it was the most powerful center for the theft of money, and now it was not enough for them !!!!!!!! ????
    1. 0
      14 August 2021 20: 05
      If it's not a secret, which country will we be from?
      1. +2
        14 August 2021 20: 51
        Quote: Petr Vladimirovich
        If it's not a secret, which country will we be from?

        It's no secret, not from Russia laughing Here in the comments it is almost always fun, all foreigners concerned about our welfare, defense, morality, here. In fact, there are a lot of them everywhere, but here they are the same, boring people, no creativity, hackneyed cliches, tortured attempts to portray the intellect, which is not necessary at all, whether it is or not. hi
        1. -4
          14 August 2021 21: 00
          Watsap threw in a personal
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  7. +1
    14 August 2021 19: 30
    The main thing is that these new cities should be built in the RUSSIAN regions, and not in the "republics" of Khakassia, Chechnya, and so on. And they should be populated by RUSSIAN people, that is, those who know the Russian language and the Orthodox. And under no circumstances should Armenians, Azeris and others be allowed into them!
    1. +1
      14 August 2021 22: 48
      The main thing is that these new cities should be built in RUSSIAN regions, and not in the "republics" of Khakassia,

      And why did Khakassia not please you?)
      This is the Krasnoyarsk Territory, if anything ..
      I have lived there for 17 years of my life. I have never met a person there who does not speak Russian.
      1. -2
        14 August 2021 22: 50
        Because Russia is needed ONLY by Russians!
  8. +1
    14 August 2021 19: 34
    The idea is normal. Under Peter the Great, they went to Russia for a sweet soul. Both from Holland and from non-farm ... The main thing is to offer something that they cannot refuse!
    1. -3
      14 August 2021 20: 09
      Quote: radvas
      The idea is normal. Under Peter the Great, they went to Russia for a sweet soul. Both from Holland and from non-farm ... The main thing is to offer something that they cannot refuse!

      I am wondering: what can Russia offer the European so that he cannot refuse?
      1. +4
        14 August 2021 20: 16
        lack of bindyuzhniks and homosexuals ...
        1. -6
          14 August 2021 20: 18
          You do not know - where there are bindyuzhniki there are no pederasts, bindyuzhniki cannot stand them. laughing
          1. +4
            14 August 2021 20: 20
            and who represented Israel at Eurovision? a bearded woman and a pregnant chicken?
            1. 0
              14 August 2021 20: 35
              I don’t watch Eurovision, so I don’t know. And among my friends and acquaintances there is not a single gay creature. And if we talk about all sorts of showmen, then among your Russians there is also a solid blue tint.
              1. +1
                14 August 2021 20: 43
                He does not watch Eurovision, but did he manage to look into the bedroom to the representatives of the Russian stage? laughing Does the flight of imagination follow the language? By the way, a decent percentage of representatives of the "Russian" stage are your fellow countrymen-Ukrainians. Loboda, potapas with nastas, Christmas trees, Brezhnevs, shiny and other riffraff ...
                1. 0
                  14 August 2021 20: 47
                  Quote: Just Cat
                  Did you manage to look into the bedroom to the representatives of the Russian stage?

                  There is no point in looking - it is enough to glance at some thread of Kirkorov-Galkin-Baskov and everything is clear with them. lol
                  1. -1
                    14 August 2021 20: 58
                    Kirkorov is also one of those who, like Ukrainians, lay under the Turks ... from the Bulgarians. and their clothes look like Ukrainian laughing in Israel Baskov and Kirkorov show? this is popularity laughing there are fans apparently.
                    1. -1
                      14 August 2021 21: 05
                      In Israel, you have the opportunity to watch a bunch of Russian channels. Just recently - I watch a broadcast from Tokyo on the "Match Arena" channel, and during the break, Galkin advertises some nonsense.
                      1. 0
                        14 August 2021 21: 19
                        conclusions on advertising? laughing it seems that you watch Malakhov more often than sports programs laughing gossip, sensation, exposure ...
                      2. -2
                        14 August 2021 21: 23
                        Conclusions on the physiognomy of Galkin. Was I wrong? laughing
                      3. -1
                        14 August 2021 21: 45
                        judging by their physiognomy, baboons have a country, anthem and coat of arms laughing
                  2. +1
                    15 August 2021 07: 51
                    Galkin so and so of yours, of the Jews, if that wink
                2. -1
                  15 August 2021 00: 08
                  Well, the Ukrainians on the stage at least a little but represent a normal orientation and the rest are homosexuals !!!
                3. -1
                  15 August 2021 14: 07
                  I am ashamed to ask, what has prevented Russia from the existence of Ukraine?
                  1. 0
                    16 August 2021 11: 00
                    I am ashamed to ask, what has prevented Russia from the existence of Ukraine?

                    why do you need your state?

                    Therefore, Russia will take the non-state from you - well, because look at yourself, where are you and your tribe and where is state building in general

                    You need such a compact tent in the Galicia region - Russia will even sign a paper - that will be the guarantor of peace with the remains of your barn ..

                    At least the hahlavoins will stop killing people, but your dung hut will really be on the edge
                    1. -2
                      16 August 2021 18: 21
                      Anger is the first sign of Weakness! Too much has hindered Russia in recent years, maybe something is being done wrong in Russia?
        2. +2
          14 August 2021 20: 53
          Quote: Just Cat
          lack of bindyuzhniks and homosexuals ...

          good
      2. 0
        14 August 2021 20: 35
        I am wondering: what can Russia offer the European so that he cannot refuse?

        The absence of homosexuals of all stripes, your own private land is practically free, security, romance, finally! And necessarily money from the resources of Siberia. Just don't be greedy!
        1. -2
          14 August 2021 21: 00
          There are no less homosexuals in Russia than in any other place - a fact repeatedly confirmed by medical statistics. All over the world, the percentage of people with non-traditional inclinations is practically the same, regardless of race, religion and social system. The land plot is close to the devil and even the Russians do not need it for nothing, an example is the failed initiative with the "Far Eastern Hectare". About security in the conditions of Russian crime is simply ridiculous, about romance - even funnier. But money - so European salaries and pensions will be much higher than Russian handouts.
          1. 0
            14 August 2021 21: 22
            medical statistics? and in Russia there are such statistics on homosexuals, anyone other than trauma centers? laughing
            1. -1
              14 August 2021 21: 25
              Statistics WHO, Russia has membership in this organization, therefore, provides data.
              1. -1
                14 August 2021 21: 47
                it’s a private shop in general ... and the data is not even on the members of this "organization".
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          2. +2
            14 August 2021 23: 26
            A land plot near the devil on the horns and is not needed for nothing even by Russians

            You don't need it.

            And for those who know what can be done with this, they need it.

            About security in the conditions of Russian crime

            Yes, laaad! Fearless and invincible're coming out-Israeli warrior was afraid of "Russian crime"?))

            But money - so European salaries and pensions will be much higher than Russian handouts.

            Oh, but give up this stuff for idiots to drive.))
            According to official statistics, the average pension in Israel is 5300 shekels or 113 rubles.

            Sounds like cool?

            Yes .. cool .. if you do not take into account the purchasing power of your (feeble) shekel inside your "great country" and the real purchasing power of the ruble inside the Russian state.

            Compare your salaries and pensions even then, taking into account the "consumer basket".

            For the indicated 113 837 rubles, in Russia, not one pensioner will live for a month, but a whole family! And not sickly it will live like that, I tell you.

            Try this trick with your infamous 5300 shekels.)
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                2. +2
                  15 August 2021 07: 11
                  Look how our barefoot Odessa got offended smile Apparently, you hit a sore spot.
            2. 0
              15 August 2021 14: 12
              Dear sofa expert, may I ask - will you go to Siberia on the sofa?
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      3. +3
        14 August 2021 23: 04
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        I am wondering: what can Russia offer the European so that he cannot refuse?

        The author said: for example - the earth.

        You, apparently, unknowingly, simply “did not notice” that the author, apparently, so as not to shock your gentle mosque, even “cheated a little”, naming prices for European hectares, forgetting to indicate that these are prices exclusively for / x use.
        For development, they are about 50 (!) Times higher.
    2. -7
      14 August 2021 22: 42
      during the Great Patriotic War, the Russian Germans were all as one for Hitler!
      1. +2
        14 August 2021 22: 49
        You tell this to the relatives of Nikolai Gastello. good
  9. -1
    14 August 2021 20: 28
    Of course there is experience.
    How many rebuilt cities, towns and villages have ceased to exist thanks to the wise decisions of the center. After all, they were also built by the decisions of the state program. Of course the damned communists forgot to consult with the democrats, and they, in turn, having come to power, corrected everything, as it should. All "worthless" production was closed.
    So why step on a rake again? There are enough cities in the same Siberia where it is possible, as it is fashionable to say today, to "revive" the peaceful energy of the industry. So it makes sense to develop what is already there, and not to litter free space with business waste.

    ... from Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Moldova, the Baltic states, now from Ukraine.

    In principle, you can write about the rest like that, but eastern Ukraine touches a little more. Why Russian people born and raised in the south of Russia, perhaps not even in the first or second generation, should leave their homes and go somewhere in order to possibly first of all "feed" the bribe-takers and extortionists from the Russian FMS. And then somewhere it is listed as "come in large numbers". It's not so easy, to drop everything and leave.

    ... because the cost of living is lower than in Germany.

    Apparently the author had something different in mind, but it was written with a pen ... wink
    For a wealthy, average German pensioner, the cost of his life will be slightly more expensive.
    1. -6
      14 August 2021 21: 01
      About Donbass. Who can, move to Russia. At least they won't kill you. I think that Russia (GDP) will maneuver for a long time, for sure until 2024. Do not hope that you will not be taken to Russia for a long time. And this is the whole meanness.
  10. -1
    14 August 2021 20: 31
    So cities in Siberia will be built for rich German pensioners? I admire the flight of aFtora's thought!
    1. 0
      15 August 2021 07: 23
      Wealthy European pensioners are a solvent population that can meet the demand for any goods and services that is needed for the development of the city. Smart people fight for them. The foolish are foolish. tongue
      1. 0
        15 August 2021 14: 00
        Well, well, except for Siberia, pensioners have nowhere to spend money? Can't try something for your own?
  11. -4
    14 August 2021 20: 49
    Stop bleating about Siberia! Only two empires were able to somehow master and equip it: the Russian and the Soviet. And the current trading empire will never equip, because the main thing now is to snatch more! Further, the grass does not grow. And right away I want to discourage questions: Russian merchants and today's "businessmen" and "managers" are different poles.
    1. -3
      14 August 2021 21: 05
      So I am about
      what is already there must be developed and restored, and not rush about with dubious investments throughout the taiga. More national parks and gamekeepers in the field, respectively. Siberia must be protected!
  12. +1
    14 August 2021 21: 10
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    And, another good idealistic wishlist against the background of pre-election PR

    "Let the state at its own expense ..... Let the authorities .... Let the employer ....."

    When was the last time you elected the Minister of Defense?
  13. -2
    14 August 2021 21: 12
    About Donbass. What is the tragedy ... In 2014, after the Crimean spring, the Donbas decided that they were on their way to Russia. Alas. Crimea has been a strategic peninsula for centuries. And Donbass in 2014 was a territory in which a war would not allow (as we see so far) Ukraine, like Georgia (South Ossetia), to become a NATO member. Putin is a great strategist, respect!
  14. +1
    14 August 2021 22: 15
    I propose to move in, those from whom the only housing was taken away, mortgage or for debts.
    1. -2
      14 August 2021 22: 33
      It is possible in your Israel. Despite the fact that no one has their own home .. We cannot.
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      2. 0
        15 August 2021 14: 16
        An article about Siberia
  15. 0
    14 August 2021 23: 11
    can offer Russians or Russian-speakers living in Kazakhstan, the Baltic states, as well as anywhere in the world (except Ukraine), as well as any German, Frenchman, other Europeans (not all!), an apartment, lift and possibly work when moving to Siberia. To create "German" or European settlements, in general, to propose to move - to create a project out of this, to lure into another world, life without stress, the world of the future
    1. -1
      15 August 2021 07: 23
      Offer normal people to live in ... the opera of the world, they will stuff your face !!))))
      1. +3
        15 August 2021 07: 58
        You don't need to call your country ... the peace of the world. However, you are not from Russia, right?
        1. -2
          15 August 2021 16: 40
          Abandoned villages of the Urals, etc., and you will understand what they are talking about, I am generally silent about Ukraine, And yes, I consider Russia or another republic to be mine and I feel the same way, so the younger generation has grown up, let them consider it as they want, but I saw the Great country and so about it and think and perceive !! And if Putin and the Russians think that they themselves will do something, they are deeply mistaken. Yours is mine, we are all in the development of the West. An example of this is the only trump card, hypersound, and that one has already been stolen. Lagging behind again, what are you proud of !?
    2. -2
      15 August 2021 14: 17
      And why do we offer foreigners that Russians have forgotten how to work at all?
  16. +3
    15 August 2021 04: 57
    So why exactly the Minister of Defense voiced this crazy idea of ​​resettlement of the people to Siberia !? I think that our leadership assumes that in the near future the West
    will receive hypersonic weapons. And if so, the flight time to Moscow will be reduced to 2-3 minutes from the territory of Ukraine. ... Well, we are talking about something else, who will go to explore Siberia, the Far East? Now is a different time, the ideology of the Communist Party does not work! "Behind the fog and romance" there are not many people interested in it. To order, to compel also does not work. "Fill up with money" is stupid, the money will be stolen and scattered .... Remember they built BAM! Now ask how the residents of the city of Tynda, who remained there for permanent residence, now live. Their dream is to get out of there! ... There are those who have no place to go ... It's good Shoigu, he came to Siberia, as the head of the bathhouse will be heated, the restaurant will be brought ... and will sleep in a well-heated room with a fireplace, overlooking a beautiful forest or a mountain with a river. But in reality, for ordinary Russians, everything is much more severe. What Siberia is - three months of heat, nine months of cold (winter temperature is -40 and above), slush, rain and snow .... It's one thing to come to earn a couple of seasons, another thing to permanent residence. We are told that the state has no money! Remember Medvedev's famous phrase - "There is no money, but you hold on! All the best to you" ... Polite rudeness!) Our pensioners receive 12-13 thousand in Russia! What cities are you talking about? ... Do you think Shoigu and the officials do not understand what I wrote !? Everyone understands very well .... We just need "useful" ones to export the country's resources for sale ... So they begin to tell tales about a happy future in those parts.
  17. -1
    15 August 2021 07: 20
    Well, if such anthills as in the photo in Siberia are built, in a country where there is plenty of land, then the corruption themselves who sawed the loot there let them live. A person does not live on earth today, they do not allow him to feel like a master, well, perhaps on Rublevka. And since people huddle in the rocks, they also want to drive German pensioners there !!!! ????
  18. 0
    15 August 2021 07: 24
    Quote: radvas
    And Donbass in 2014 was a territory in which a war would not allow (as we see so far) Ukraine, like Georgia (South Ossetia), to become a NATO member. Putin is a great strategist, respect!

    Biden has already made it clear that this is not a problem for Ukraine's entry into NATO. Don't be under any illusion.
  19. 0
    15 August 2021 07: 26
    Quote: Bitter
    So I am about
    what is already there must be developed and restored, and not rush about with dubious investments throughout the taiga. More national parks and gamekeepers in the field, respectively. Siberia must be protected!

    And what else can he do if not rush about with crazy ideas in the taiga !! ?? ))))
  20. +3
    15 August 2021 07: 56
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    About security in the conditions of Russian crime is simply ridiculous, about romance - even funnier. But money - so European salaries and pensions will be much higher than Russian handouts.

    firstly, there is no need to tell a fairy tale about European security. there migrants slaughter and crush people with trucks today.
    secondly, moving from Germany does not at all mean that you have to give up your European pension. on the contrary, in Russia under the conditions of a new city one can afford many times more for it than in Germany due to the difference in the euro exchange rate and the lower cost of living.
    stupid Israeli Russophobic propaganda tongue
    1. -3
      15 August 2021 18: 00
      You, Marzhetskiy, put on a blatant stupidity by suggesting that German pensioners would like to move from their cozy houses to the ends of the earth in droves, your arguments are ridiculous, so you sink to insults, I’m either "Odessa bosota" or "Israeli Russophobic propaganda" ... That you have no idea about the standard of living of pensioners in developed countries is clear as God's day, and you want to present yourself in a similar capacity in your old age? I will not enumerate here in detail what pensioners have, numerous discounts, benefits and rights of senior citizens - you still will not believe it, think only about the weather factor. Is it realistic for my cousin and her husband to move from their Aachen, where in winter the temperatures are mostly above zero in the Siberian forty-degree frosts? So you say that you were a lawyer, and this is in the complete absence of logical thinking? lol
    2. 0
      15 August 2021 18: 48
      Why do we need a European penny in Russia at all? The fact that they magically on their hectare without electricity, gas, roads and markets for products is not 5 thousand km away. suddenly create a profitable business and start paying taxes and creating jobs - an empty hope. If we are to attract someone, then the young, strong and educated. Who can create something from scratch.
      And, of course, the authors of such articles, who sympathize with them, as well as the children and granddaughters of Shoigu, should also be sent there, on the virgin lands, in the forefront. And then in fact .... do not roll the bags, it turns out that way.
  21. +2
    15 August 2021 08: 00
    Quote: Bitter
    ... because the cost of living is lower than in Germany.

    Apparently the author had something different in mind, but it was written with a pen ...
    For a wealthy, average German pensioner, the cost of his life will be slightly more expensive.

    Why would you? In Germany, wages are high, but the cost of living is higher than in Russia. When you move to Russia with the preservation of the German pension in euros, you can live here like a padish because of the difference in the exchange rate with the ruble
    1. 0
      15 August 2021 16: 39
      Maybe there will be one or the other willing. Some go to Turkey and Bulgaria.
      It's hard to say for everyone, a person has lived (worked) all his life at home. Knows where, what "lies", where to go, where to get it and to whom, if anything, to call and write. Grandchildren, children, nephews ..., everything is also within the radius of the trip by car. If necessary, they will come and help. Here bam and to Siberia. laughing For what?

      Maybe Moscow and Leningrad pensioners, together with the capital allowances, are better settled there, respected people with connections will be able to find their place in Siberia. And to let young blood go to the capitals.

      There are familiar personal pensioners in the meta of residence. One already lives well, 70 years old, bachelor. He dangles as a tourist around the world, including in Russia, occasionally at home. I'm happy with everything. Another also got a good job, but his dad fought in a high rank near Stalingrad. Memories in abundance, it will be impossible to drag him to Siberia on a lasso.
      But these are, so to speak, labor veterans who in the past have a well-paid job and a good pension. But this is not the case for everyone, respectively, those who are not doing well in the best way will not be able to go anywhere. After all, if something happened, they have no right to social assistance in Russia and the German state will be able to convince them of the senselessness of such an adventure.
  22. +2
    15 August 2021 14: 10
    The Trans-Urals are inhabited by a narrow belt along the Trans-Siberian, the population density is about 1 person per 1 square kilometer - a desert with rare oases from the times of the Romanov dynasty in the form of Omsk, Novosibirsk, Novokuznetsk, Irkutsk, Chita, Khabarovsk and Vladivostok.
    Natural resources are enormous, the rotational method is expensive and does not solve the problem of territory development.
    An attempt to lure with a Far Eastern hectare did not justify itself.
    Opponents propose to develop existing cities, but, firstly, they do not provide the depth of development of the territory, and secondly, population growth at the waterline level. The population outflow continues.
    You need to populate, how? Call the Chinese? They can offer elementary 100 million for the settlement of the Trans-Ural "desert". Only then will the entire Trans-Urals speak and write in Chinese, and then demand autonomy ..
    Sergey Kozhugetovich suggested. The proposal is reasonable, economically and politically sensible.
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      15 August 2021 16: 06
      develop existing cities, but firstly, they do not provide the depth of development of the territory, and secondly, population growth at the waterline level. The population outflow continues.

      Do you need it, this depth? To whom and why? Maybe you should still save it for posterity and not put it up for sale right away. To develop already existing cities so that the outflow from them would be reduced, interrupted, and subsequently it became tempting to build a life and a career there.
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      15 August 2021 19: 02
      Sergey Kozhugetovich suggested.

      With all due respect, this is not a proposal, this is a bunch of election puddles. The proposal should be supported by a clear action plan for its implementation and a feasibility study. And so - just nice words. Fails.
  23. 0
    19 August 2021 09: 24
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    When you move to Russia with the preservation of the German pension in euros, you can live here like a padish because of the difference in the exchange rate with the ruble

    Smiled!
  24. 0
    5 September 2021 13: 56
    There is no one ... until they are built, we will already be far away ...
  25. +2
    30 September 2021 05: 36
    Thanks to the author!
    We live in the German District of the Altai Territory. Families with children from Germany began to actively return here. More and more calls. Also, the flows of people moving from big cities, from a pandemic, vaccinations and problems with money and retirement, are gradually increasing. People from other countries have become more active, for example, the Taliban scared our Central Asia. Refugees, negative attitudes towards Russians and climate deterioration are stressing families in Europe and the United States.
    We started designing City of the Future in Altai... We invite those who wish to participate in the folk project. Read more about him on my VK page.
  26. 0
    7 October 2021 09: 56
    There is no need to build cities in Siberia, this is a real utopia, this is just wastefulness, people need to be settled along highways, the highway itself is a conveyor belt in the production cycle, imagine a mega-plant smeared along the highway, each workshop can be 20-30 kilometers from each other, and around each factory floor it is necessary to build villages of cottages with one geiktar of land, settlements should be built on the principle of "one-story America", this is all very close to the way of life of the Russian people, only Russians can master Siberia, there is a lot of living space in the cottage and this will be the main attraction of a young family, a warm house, a good one, in one geyktar, a vegetable garden - what else does a Russian person need, he will drive to work by his personal car, if something does not suit him in his factory shop, in this way the region will develop steadily , the mega-plant will work with its own factory workshops and produce any product using a conveyor in the face of a highway ...