The revived cruiser "Condor" will solve the main problems of the Russian Navy

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And again about our navy, its needs and aspirations. The main problems of the Russian Navy include the small number of large surface ships in the far sea and ocean zones, as well as the actual absence of aircraft carriers. (The long-suffering TAVRK "Admiral Kuznetsov" is undergoing modernization, the terms of which are continuously extended). This painful topic is the subject of constant heated discussions, so now we will add some oil to this flame.

If you look at the number and age of our cruisers, the numbers are disheartening. TARK "Peter the Great" was launched in 1989. The flagship of the Northern Fleet will soon go into deep modernization, which should extend its service life and increase its combat effectiveness. It will be replaced by our second heavy nuclear cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov", launched in 1986. This ship has been formally undergoing repairs since 1999, but in reality it began only in 2013 and continues to this day. The flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the missile cruiser Moskva, was launched in 1979. His brother in the 1164 project, the cruiser Varyag (1983) is at the head of the Pacific Fleet. Our third and last Atlant, the missile cruiser Marshal Ustinov, is part of the Northern Fleet. These are our largest and most efficient ships in the distant sea and ocean zones. As you can see, they are all quite old and in need of deep modernization. The project of the nuclear missile destroyer "Leader", which was supposed to replace the Soviet-built cruiser, was shelved due to the extreme high cost (100 billion rubles per unit).



It becomes even sadder when you look at our only aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov". During a trip to Syria, the TAVRK showed itself not from the best side, and after that it almost drowned during a scheduled repair due to an emergency at a shipyard. The situation with the Project 23900 universal amphibious assault ships looks somewhat more optimistic. Two such UDCs with a total displacement of 40 thousand tons have been laid down and are being built in Kerch. They can be used not only for the transport of troops and combat equipment, but also for the basing of helicopters in the amount of up to 16 units, as well as UAVs. For the Russian Navy, the appearance of such helicopter carriers will be a great positive step forward. However, it should be borne in mind that their commissioning is expected only at the turn of 2027-2028, as well as the fact that each such UDC, being the core of the ship formation and its command headquarters, needs escort ships and their constant protection.

In the humble personal opinion of the author of the lines, the Russian Navy needs not only frigates of projects 22350 and 22350M, but also larger strike ships of the far sea and ocean zones, as well as aircraft carriers. Heavy aircraft carriers with a nuclear power plant such as "Nimitz" or "Ulyanovsk" we cannot afford, and there are still no tasks for them, so a compromise option would be to create a series of 2-3 light aircraft carriers with a displacement of 40-45 thousand tons and an air wing up to 40 aircraft. About one of the possible projects that meets these requirements, we in detail told earlier. But, as you know, the aviation of aviation is different. I would like to talk about such a rather promising direction as drone-carrying ships.

The first began to look closely at the UAV as a sea-based unmanned aircraft, of course, the Americans. Drones can be tactical, operational-tactical and strategic or long-range high-altitude drones. Their tasks are reconnaissance and target designation to strike weapon systems, long-range reconnaissance and observation, as well as reconnaissance and suppression of enemy air defense systems, provoking his guidance systems to activate active channels. As these technologies develop, UAVs will be assigned new tasks: species and electronic reconnaissance, electronic warfare, combat against surface and underwater targets, air defense, searching for minefields and mine banks, as well as supporting amphibious operations. In general, ship-based unmanned aircraft have a great future. At the same time, UAVs are cheaper and more compact than airplanes, and they do not require pilots to be trained and trained for many years.

Naturally, the US Navy managed to advance the farthest in this direction. Note, for example, the RQ-8A and MQ-8B helicopter-type UAVs, as well as the Eagle Eye HV-911 unmanned tiltrotor. Their European allies became very interested in the achievements of the Americans in the field of naval reconnaissance and strike drones. It is worth mentioning the grandiose plans that Ankara is building. At the end of 2021, the Turkish Navy will receive its own UDC called Anadolu. Initially, it was assumed that the light aircraft carrier would be equipped with fifth generation F-35 fighters, but due to political disagreements, Washington refused to sell them to President Erdogan. Finding themselves in an uncomfortable situation, the Turks began to improvise and found a very successful option: to place on their universal amphibious assault ship from 30 to 50 Bayraktar TB2 shock UAVs. The manufacturer is currently creating their deck version, and the drones that have become famous in recent campaigns can be used for reconnaissance, air strikes against coastal targets with weak air defense, as well as a carrier of sonar buoys to search for enemy submarines.

As you can see, the need made Turkey de facto create the first drone ship. At the same time, Ankara has not yet abandoned plans to build a full-fledged large aircraft carrier, presumably according to a British project. And what can the Russian Navy say to its potential adversaries? In fact, there are some options.

On the one hand, yes, we have lagged behind the United States and its allies in the field of UAVs, but in the last couple of years there has been a noticeable breakthrough. We now have Orion strike drones, which can be a real competitor to the Turkish Bayraktar TB2, the Altius reconnaissance drones and the C-70 Okhotnik super-heavy strike drones. The latter, by the way, can be used in tandem with the fifth generation Su-57 fighter as a wingman. This means that Russia has begun to catch up with its competitors in the field of unmanned aircraft, and it already seems expedient to create a marine version of these drones.

On the other hand, the "chilled" UAVs will be able to be based on both Russian UDCs under construction and even on the "Admiral Kuznetsov" after its return to service. If desired, light aircraft carriers, which we mentioned above, can be used as carriers of drones, if a decision is made to build them. Thanks to this, "aircraft carrier" can stop worrying about the high cost of carrier-based aircraft wing, because UAVs are significantly cheaper than aircraft. Perhaps, in the future, the naval version of the "Hunter" will be able to interact in tandem with fighters, increasing their effectiveness. But this is not all the options for the Russian Navy to acquire aircraft-carrying multifunctional ships.

The fact that Russia has one long-standing project that can get a new life today was written in an article for the Center for International Maritime Security (CIMSEC) by the Polish military expert Przemyslav Zematsky, who closely follows the achievements of the domestic military-industrial complex. In his opinion, the project 1123 anti-submarine helicopter-carrying cruiser can be the optimal platform for the deployment of deck unmanned aircraft:

Today, when full-size aircraft carriers are becoming more vulnerable due to long-range missiles, including land-based missiles, the Moskva-class project may reappear from the shadow of history ... They were either well armed or could easily increase their armament, had relatively large flight decks and hangars.

Let's recall in general terms the Soviet project 1123 "Condor", which preceded the "Krechet" and the TAVRKs of the "Admiral Kuznetsov" type that followed. Only two helicopter-carrying cruisers, "Moscow" and "Leningrad", were built for the needs of anti-submarine warfare and giving combat stability to the forces of the USSR Navy in the far sea zone. The ships had a total displacement of 15 280 tons and a rather unusual appearance due to the wide rear deck, where 14 helicopters could be based at once. But, in addition to anti-submarine helicopters, "Condors" also carried quite serious anti-aircraft missile and anti-submarine weapons. But does it make sense to go back to a long-forgotten project?

It is possible that there is some sense in this. Subject to modernization for modern conditions, the Project 1123 cruiser can be equipped with powerful missile weapons, its hull will accommodate at least 96 universal launch cells for "Caliber", "Onyx" and "Zircon". This will result in serious large ships of the far sea and ocean zones, comparable in strike potential with the American "Arleigh Burks" and approaching the "Ticonderogs". But at the same time, they will surpass them in functionality due to the possibility of placing an air wing. It can be both anti-submarine helicopters and AWACS helicopters, and UAVs, reconnaissance and attack, which we talked about above. Compare for yourself: Project 23900 UDC can accommodate up to 16 rotary-wing aircraft, and Condor - 14. Almost level, but at the same time, the universal landing ship is de facto defenseless, it must be protected by other ships, and the Project 1123 cruiser, armed with anti-ship and cruise missiles, in itself is a serious combat unit.

In fact, being adapted to modern realities, the Condors will be able to close the gap of the Russian Navy both in large surface ships of the far sea and ocean zone, and in helicopter carriers, and at the same time occupy a promising niche of a drone carrier, partially compensating for Russia's lack of aircraft carriers.
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  1. -8
    12 July 2021 13: 57
    The elections are coming soon, so dreamers with aircraft carriers and cruisers, bypassing smaller destroyers ...
    1. +6
      12 July 2021 14: 14
      A drone destroyer? And what does the election have to do with it? Am I a candidate from the ruling party? Or does the ruling party pay me? (does not pay, if that). And what exactly would she have to pay me for, what is the relationship between the ship project and the elections?
      Aren't you tired of writing nonsense yourself?
      1. -11
        12 July 2021 16: 13
        Straight Don't worry. I completely understand you. Elections have nothing to do with it. Probably.

        It's just that a wave has gone on the Near-War sites - Aircraft carriers there, aircraft carriers here ... A little later, here is the same wave.
        Although in real life it would be good to master frigates with dignity and something larger. For submarines of struggle and protection of future aircrafts (let's call it that)

        And only then to swing at the Aircraft Carriers and Cruisers, .. Koi are simply expensive, laundering, and debts in design and construction, but in the steppes of the Motherland they are useless ...

        But Plus for your worthy amendments.
    2. +3
      12 July 2021 14: 41
      By the way, Mr. Expert, tell me, what kind of destroyers do you mean? "Leaders" were canceled due to the high cost. What are the real alternative projects of destroyers in Russia and how exactly can they solve the problem of the lack of naval aviation, manned and unmanned?
      1. +2
        12 July 2021 15: 10
        Dear S.E.!
        Do not get started, you already have the right word!
        A person is not from a good life here and not only sits here. Wife, little kids, but where to get pennies? Well, don't go into the trenches
        sad
      2. -2
        12 July 2021 16: 16
        Nothing will solve the problem with naval aviation if it simply does not exist. (small leftovers)
        But when it will be, then you can consider options. Including What ships are needed for this

        They made small ones for Caliber, and possibly for Drones.
        To sit in the bay, under cover, and threaten everyone ...
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  2. 0
    12 July 2021 16: 39
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    It's just that a wave has gone on the Near-War sites - Aircraft carriers there, aircraft carriers here ... A little later, here is the same wave.
    Although in real life it would be good to master frigates with dignity and something larger. For submarines of struggle and protection of future aircrafts (let's call it that)

    And only then to swing at the Aircraft Carriers and Cruisers, .. Koi are simply expensive, laundering, and debts in design and construction, but in the steppes of the Motherland they are useless ...

    Aircraft carriers are actively writing about this, since this topic is now being considered by the Military-Industrial Commission, and everyone wants to be heard.
    The frigates have already mastered it in general, the engines have been made. Destroyers Leader were chopped, they are expensive atomic, other projects are not yet visible.
    There is a lot of debate about aircraft carriers, everyone has their own truth, my personal opinion: light aircraft carriers are needed, like helicopter carriers. And there is no need to make jokes about the steppes, there are American SSBNs floating in the ocean with nuclear missiles aimed at Russia.
    Returning to the topic of what is larger than a frigate: "Condor" is 2 in 1: a missile cruiser (for a hundred missiles), and a helicopter carrier, and a platform for testing sea-based UAVs. Such ships can really be useful. They will be smaller and cheaper than UDC. (I'm not against the UDC), and cheaper than the atomic "Leader".
    At the same time, our "Eagles" and "Atlanta" are getting old and will still retire in the foreseeable future. What to exchange them for? Projects, their discussions should go on now, since everything is being built here for a very long time. For 1123, everything has already been worked out, there is both documentation and operating experience. Yes, they need to be adapted to the challenges of the time, but the project has potential.
  3. +2
    12 July 2021 16: 46
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    Nothing will solve the problem with naval aviation if it simply does not exist. (small leftovers)
    But when it will be, then you can consider options. Including What ships are needed for this

    They made small ones for Caliber, and possibly for Drones.
    To sit in the bay, under cover, and threaten everyone ...

    Nobody will solve the problem with naval aviation until there are aircraft carriers for them and the concept of their use. That is why people write on military websites, try to formulate it, argue.
    What about "small ships" for drones: this is how we write that large aircraft carriers are not needed now, we need a maximum of 40-45 thousand tons, light multipurpose aircraft carriers, for manned and, in the future, unmanned aircraft.
    1. 0
      12 July 2021 17: 44
      Essence: The cruiser is a fairly large ship, the displacement of the Condor is 3 times more than the Frigate.
      And the heavy "Leader" in general to the cashier.

      The frigates have just mastered, so you can do an intermediate stage.
      Helicopters, drones are simpler. Aircraft, alas, not yet. And dear Hunters, too. Experience is more important.

      And for Hunters and K - UDC will be. They are bigger
  4. +4
    12 July 2021 22: 00
    The Russian Federation is already building helicopter carriers (UDC), but they will not be able to replace aircraft carrying cruisers, or they will not be able to aircraft carriers, their capabilities are too different
  5. -1
    13 July 2021 04: 28
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    Essence: The cruiser is a fairly large ship, the displacement of the Condor is 3 times more than the Frigate.
    And the heavy "Leader" in general to the cashier.

    The frigates have just mastered, so you can do an intermediate stage.

    There are NO projects of modern destroyers, neither the Leader, nor any other. If they were, then the conversation would be different.
    There is a Condor project, which has been worked out for a long time, with all the documentation and operating experience. Its large size is only a plus for him for the numerous reasons indicated above. This is the same helicopter carrier as the UDC, but smaller and cheaper, while it can carry up to 100 missiles, it can hit with missiles, it can hunt for submarines, it can carry both helicopters and UAVs. One Condor occupies a niche of several ships at once.
    Everything, tired of writing about the same thing. hi
    1. -1
      13 July 2021 14: 13
      A project 60 years ago?
      Like there is. But is he a worker? Or will we make everyone laugh?

      IMHO, you want to mislead.
      On Vosites, too, controversy after controversy - you give an aircraft carrier. Even from a dry cargo ship to remake.

      It is easier for any modern frigate to build up a little.
      Then there will be no immortal: "there is no money, but hold on to all that is good ..."
  6. -3
    13 July 2021 09: 21
    Calm down already, Found a new fetish ... Project Condor is now as real as the Leader as well as a light aircraft carrier. None of them have completed draft documentation. They float only on sites near the war in the minds of dreamers.
  7. -1
    13 July 2021 09: 53
    Quote: JD1979
    Calm down already, Found a new fetish ... Project Condor is now as real as the Leader as well as a light aircraft carrier. None of them have completed draft documentation. They float only on sites near the war in the minds of dreamers.

    Yes, you yourself better calm down and do not give such advice to others.
    1. +2
      13 July 2021 10: 34
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      Quote: JD1979
      Calm down already, Found a new fetish ... Project Condor is now as real as the Leader as well as a light aircraft carrier. None of them have completed draft documentation. They float only on sites near the war in the minds of dreamers.

      Yes, you yourself better calm down and do not give such advice to others.

      Mr. Marzhetsky, I understand that you want to hyip on this topic, but so far you can only dunk. In support of your words, can you present evidence that the projects of these old ships, for which ANYTHING from the provided equipment, weapons, power systems is no longer produced, were worked out for modern, up-to-date systems? Not? I thought so.
  8. +1
    13 July 2021 12: 15
    I bought another 32 gigabytes of RAM on my computer. Now I have a full-fledged server: a good percentage, a lot of memory ... Only for what? 96 gigabytes was enough for me before. Just filled in the slots. .. Not. I understand that you cannot refuse a purchase for 1 cent. What am I doing this for? Why design, build and equip something that will be sunk in 15 minutes? And why spend a lot of money on it?
    Probably for the sake of an article so that Sergei could write.
    Or no one will spend, but the article is paid for?
  9. +2
    13 July 2021 15: 57
    A cruiser without its own "cruising" order is a potentially burned piece of iron. With a multi-hundred HUMAN crew
    1. 0
      15 July 2021 06: 57
      Well, who says that a cruiser should go alone? He should be at the head of the ship group, the unit.
    2. -1
      18 July 2021 08: 32
      Any frigate or corvette will burn even faster. Don't you need to build them either? Maybe abandon the fleet altogether, why is it at all?
  10. +4
    13 July 2021 23: 05
    The age of gigantomania is over, and this is a fact. Today, with the effectiveness of the anti-ship missiles Zircon, Onyx-m, Brahmos in the BRK Bastion, / Ball, for example, in the nuclear version, the lifetime of a huge ship or aircraft carrier is not long. And the x-35u is generally considered not knocked down. And the hope for the Ijes system, which controls the ship's air defense, is not very high. Fairy tales finished about 100% efficiency or epr with a tennis ball. An example is Israel's Iron Dome, developed by the United States, did not shoot down even 30% of primitive missiles. And during the Gorbachev-Yeltsin era, a contract was signed for the Americans to purchase Russian Mosquito anti-ship missiles without a warhead, to use them as a target for training ship missile defense systems. So the first two blanks were not shot down by the ship's missile system and fell into the stern of the destroyer, making huge holes. The destroyer was barely saved. Then they began to launch missiles in a parallel direction, but not a single missile was shot down.
    1. 0
      15 July 2021 07: 15
      15 thousand tons of full displacement - is this really gigantomania? But in this case, you can cram up to a hundred of these same Zircons, Onyxes, etc., as well as place a dozen anti-submarine helicopters. By the way, what are we going to replace the old cruisers with? They will last 15-20 years at most. And then what? We have been building a large ship for about 15 years. That is, in order to rotate, you need to start building something now. What do you think?
  11. +2
    14 July 2021 08: 27
    Very objective reflections of the author. There is an understanding and objective knowledge of the tasks of the tactical units of the fleet and its materiel. I read your articles with interest. Thank you.
    1. 0
      15 July 2021 07: 10
      Many thanks. I am not a military expert, but I have always been interested in the navy, I study this topic whenever possible, read expert articles, different opinions. I sometimes share my own vision, without insisting on its truth.
  12. -1
    14 July 2021 19: 16
    If we are to make light aircraft carriers, then you need to do it according to the type of aircraft carriers, there are helicopters, and drones and vertical take-off planes, and in addition to the air wing, the aircraft carrier is a full-fledged combat unit (unlike American aircraft carriers) and can give combat stability to an entire squadron of ships
  13. -1
    15 July 2021 02: 26
    the land state of the Russian Federation n @ f @ g generally does not need aircraft carriers. This is just an objective reality. Even in the USSR, which was several times more powerful than the Russian Federation, even pseudo-aircraft carriers of the Moscow type, etc. were very ambiguous. ...
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      16 July 2021 23: 29
      the land state of the Russian Federation n @ f @ g generally does not need aircraft carriers. This is just an objective reality. Even in the USSR, which was several times more powerful than the Russian Federation, even pseudo-aircraft carriers of the Moscow type, etc. were very ambiguous. ...

      And that's why Ulyanovsk was laid? They just did not have time to build.
      1. 0
        17 July 2021 02: 45
        Read my post below. "What opportunity ?! ..."
        Laying, releasing pre-series or making single launches, such as the Buran system, is not the same as having full-fledged augs on an ongoing basis, etc. in a slightly different concept. In fact, and in practice, it turned out to be all unnecessary and low-efficiency combat units for the USSR Navy.
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          17 July 2021 14: 24
          Mortgaging, releasing pre-series or making single launches, such as the Buran system, is not the same as having full-fledged augs on an ongoing basis, etc.

          This is it Yes They did not have time to build. "Sistership" "Kuznetsova" lives in China, Ulyanovsk was also going to build not one copy.
  14. 0
    15 July 2021 06: 55
    Quote: Gosha Smirnov
    the land state of the Russian Federation n @ f @ g generally does not need aircraft carriers. This is just an objective reality. Even in the USSR, which was several times more powerful than the Russian Federation, even pseudo-aircraft carriers of the Moscow type, etc. were very ambiguous. ...

    Yeah, and therefore immediately ordered a series of 4 ATARK type Ulyanovsk as soon as the opportunity arose.
    But the article is about something else.
    1. 0
      15 July 2021 22: 29
      What an opportunity ?! (PL). And there were opportunities both under Khrushchev and under Brezhnev to build aircraft carriers. But NOBODY could clearly explain the need for their existence within the framework of that doctrine of the USSR. The USSR did not have such communications and interests to justify the need to cover these with the help of aircraft carriers. By the middle of 45 -xx, the priorities of the USSR in many areas began to shift. And including the military. It is possible, but also NOT obvious, that the Russian Federation needs full-fledged AUGs now. It is completely incomprehensible why? China is understandable why. India is understandable. The Russian Federation why are they? What are they? tasks will be performed?
      And you can order anything and how to lay it too. What is "on the exhaust" - that is the question! The Americans laid down in the program the construction of 32 destroyers of the "Zamvolt" class. They built 2, and the third, even in the castrated version, has not yet entered service .And that's all - the Sabbath! And chito?
  15. 0
    15 July 2021 07: 00
    Quote: zzdimk
    Why design, build and equip something that will be sunk in 15 minutes? And why spend a lot of money on it?
    Probably for the sake of an article so that Sergei could write.
    Or no one will spend, but the article is paid for?

    The logic is extremely flawed. Why then build and equip corvettes and frigates? They will sink even faster. And they cost together more than 1 helicopter cruiser. Why does Russia need a fleet at all, which is still several times smaller and weaker than the US Navy? It will be destroyed in any real collision. Or are there some tasks for the Russian Navy? And a helicopter cruiser, you see, would come in handy?
    I await your reply.
  16. 0
    15 July 2021 07: 01
    Quote: JD1979
    Mr. Marzhetsky, I understand that you want to hyip on this topic, but so far you can only dunk. In support of your words, can you present evidence that the projects of these old ships, for which ANYTHING from the provided equipment, weapons, power systems is no longer produced, were worked out for modern, up-to-date systems? Not? I thought so.

    Kapets. I asked myself, I answered myself, I was offended myself. If that, in essence, I wrote right in the article about the MODERNIZATION of the project, that is, the old equipment on it is not relevant at all. What's the point of installing outdated equipment?
    And one more thing: personally, I do not have to prove anything to you at all or report to you. Who do you think you are? Head of the Military-Industrial Commission? Have I come to you for money? So who actually dunked there is still a big question.
  17. 0
    15 July 2021 07: 20
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    A project 60 years ago?
    Like there is. But is he a worker? Or will we make everyone laugh?

    I wrote about modernization old project. Already tired of commenting on nonsense.
  18. 0
    15 July 2021 09: 11
    One Pole froze the garbage, the other carried it to the masses.
    Project 1123 anti-submarine cruisers are very unsuccessful both in design and in operation.
    Alas, in addition to this, the author froze nonsense in the form of a gag in the terminology and history of the Soviet Navy. There is no such TARK, there is a TARKR. Ustinov is not the last cruiser, but the second hull in the series. And pearls like "back deck" - this is how this opus is generally adorned.
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    +1
    16 July 2021 23: 22
    Heavy aircraft carriers with a nuclear power plant such as "Nimitz" or "Ulyanovsk" we cannot afford, and there are still no tasks for them, so a compromise option would be to create a series of 2-3 light aircraft carriers with a displacement of 40-45 thousand tons and an air wing up to 40 aircraft.

    At the same time, Ankara has not yet abandoned plans to build a full-fledged large aircraft carrier, presumably according to a British project.

    Do you feel dissonance?
    The Turks are an economic superpower and everything is in order, and they will find how to use the aircraft carrier.
    We are again orphaned and miserable, they have no money to go, they have to dry sandals on the shore.
    So the Turks have where to cut on the aircraft carrier? Do they have more coastline or interests in remote regions?
    You have already got your word of honor with your zeal, as if you are shying away from every shadow. Either we cannot, we don’t need it, then we cannot, we cannot master it there.

    In fact, being adapted to modern realities, the Condors will be able to close the gap of the Russian Navy both in large surface ships of the far sea and ocean zone, and in helicopter carriers, and at the same time occupy a promising niche of a drone carrier, partially compensating for Russia's lack of aircraft carriers.

    Great offer good Invest money and take a place in the shipyard, where because of this it is impossible to build an aircraft carrier, all in order to partially compensate for the absence of aircraft carriers. Just brilliant smile
    You probably read a lot of Polish experts? Can you get to the Lithuanian admirals?
    The pans will build a way for themselves at least something, then talk about others.
  20. 0
    18 July 2021 08: 21
    Quote: 123
    You have already got your word of honor with your zeal, as if you are shying away from every shadow. Either we cannot, we don’t need it, then we cannot, we cannot master it there.

    Yes, I don't give a damn about your emotions. Don't like it, don't read it.

    Great offer good Invest money and take a place in the shipyard, where because of this it is impossible to build an aircraft carrier, all in order to partially compensate for the absence of aircraft carriers. Just brilliant smile
    You probably read a lot of Polish experts? Can you get to the Lithuanian admirals?

    ship with a full displacement of 15 tons. this is not like the ship with a displacement of 61 tons from Admiral Kuznetsov.
    As for taking a dry berth, I already made a proposal on my own to invest in a new shipyard with a building berth capable of building even aircraft carriers.
  21. 0
    18 July 2021 08: 28
    Quote: bpk572
    Alas, in addition to this, the author froze nonsense in the form of a gag in the terminology and history of the Soviet Navy. There is no such TARK, there is a TARKR. Ustinov is not the last cruiser, but the second hull in the series ..

    Regarding TARKR and TARK, both names are in common use.
    As for Ustinov, nowhere in the article does it say that this is the last ship in the series, he was the last in the list.
    Oh, forgive me for insulting your tender feelings.
  22. 0
    18 July 2021 08: 31
    Quote: Gosha Smirnov
    the land state of the Russian Federation n @ f @ g generally does not need aircraft carriers. This is just an objective reality. Even in the USSR, which was several times more powerful than the Russian Federation, even pseudo-aircraft carriers of the Moscow type, etc. were very ambiguous. ...

    Listen, Gosh, all your arguments have long ago been sorted out and refuted point by point by other knowledgeable people. On VO more than once articles on this topic were published.