The Law on the Indigenous Peoples of Ukraine. Why I disagree with Putin


Not so long ago, speaking on the last June Direct Line, Putin was outraged by the draft law submitted by the President of Ukraine Zelensky to the Rada on the indigenous peoples of Ukraine, comparing it to a "weapon of mass destruction" against the indigenous population of Ukraine - the Russians. Putin expressed his claims to the draft law on June 30, and the very next day the Rada at its extraordinary plenary meeting by a majority vote (325 votes in favor out of 345 present, with 5 abstaining and 15 not voting) adopted the law. It came into force from the moment of publication. It is significant that no one in the Rada voted against him. According to this law, the Crimean Tatars, Karaites and Krymchaks are recognized as the indigenous peoples of Ukraine. There are no Russians or even Ukrainians there. Not to mention the Greeks, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Moldovans, Jews, Rusyns, Poles and other nationalities who have been living on the territory of Ukraine for centuries.


The explanatory note to the law says that the indigenous people of Ukraine should be understood as:

An autochthonous ethnic community of people, which has formed on the territory of Ukraine, is a bearer of an original language and culture, has traditional, social, cultural or representative bodies, recognizes itself as an indigenous people of Ukraine, constitutes an ethnic minority in its population and does not have its own state education outside Ukraine ...

The law guarantees these citizens legal protection from any actions aimed at depriving the signs of the ethnicity and integrity of original peoples, depriving of cultural property, eviction or forced displacement from places of compact residence, forced assimilation or forced integration in any form, inciting racial, ethnic or religious hatred ... In addition, the new norm enshrines the cultural, educational, linguistic and informational rights of the indigenous peoples of Ukraine and their right to sustainable development.

The rush to pass this law is caused by the fuss over the inaugural summit of the Crimean Platform planned for the 30th anniversary of Ukraine's independence, which is designed to consolidate the international community around the theme of the "temporarily occupied by Russia peninsula" (I quote the Ukrainian interpretation of events). This crazy idea is a fix, with which Zelensky and his office have been worn for the past several months. The summit is scheduled for August 23 in Kiev and should be crowned with the signing of a certain "Crimean Charter". The organizers hope for the participation of about 50 states that supported Ukraine at the UN General Assembly in its fight against the aggressor country, but so far only the leaders of Poland, the Baltic countries (who would doubt it ?!), Slovakia (but this is a surprise !), The United States and Turkey (and the last two agreed to participate not at the level of top officials, although one can expect everything from Erdogan, he may come himself).

Why is Putin so excited about this law, I don’t understand? Personally, I, living in this God-damned territory, do not care about this law (like the rest of my fellow citizens). He de jure does not infringe on any of my rights, at least more than they are already infringed upon de facto. I have been living in a moral occupation for 7 years. My brain refuses to put up and perceive all this horror and chaos that is happening around me, starting with the demolition of monuments to Lenin, and then to Soviet military leaders, and even to Soviet soldiers (the latter happened in Lvov under the guise of moving the monument to another place); the prohibition of Soviet and communist ideology and symbols (with the connivance of the Nazi!); rewriting history and renaming cities, streets and squares; the prohibition of the Russian language in schools, and from July 16 of this year in public places. Tell me - how much worse ?! These morons live in houses built by the Bolsheviks, drive along the roads built by the Bolsheviks, are heated and illuminated by power plants built by the Bolsheviks, they drive gas through a pipe laid by the Bolsheviks, and continue to pour soup on them and curse them for their "difficult" past, which, as for me, much better than the present and the future, which this country does not have.

Where did Putin look before?


Where did Putin look before? What, he didn't notice all this? Or did I think the guys would play with the Nazis and let them go ?! Yeah, let it go, keep your pocket wider! They are already starting to crumble from their own impunity. But what about - America is with them! Especially strange to me is the reaction of the President of the Russian Federation to this law against the background of non-citizens of second-class people of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, who have Russian roots and are partially impaired in their rights. This is a real genocide - either a suitcase, a railway station, Russia, or assimilate into the indigenous peoples. And after all, they are assimilated, you will not surprise anyone with the primordially Baltic Russian surnames, such as Ivanovas, Smirnovas or Petrovas (in the female interpretation in Lithuania they sound like Ivanovene, Smirnovena and Petrovena). Soon there they will forget how to speak Russian (in Ukraine, by the way, the younger generation can no longer write in Russian, because no one teaches them this at school!). That is what Putin should have been indignant with. But it's too late - the time has passed, the process has begun. While these are only flowers, the berries will be picked in the coming years. And these berries will be poisonous!

Putin, justifying them, said that there are enough narrow-minded people and extreme nationalists everywhere, even in Russia they are, and their Ukrainian colleagues, they say, "act from a pure heart, but not from a great mind." And here I am ready to argue with him. No, not about a big mind, it is not there by definition, even a small one, but I have big doubts about a pure heart. These guys went on the warpath with everything Russian not from the bottom of their hearts, but solely for money. Russophobia is the only product that is still sold in Ukraine, for which people still pay. Ukraine does not produce anything else, all that they could, these guys have already cut into metal, turning the once great industrial country (the second France at the time of the collapse of the USSR) into a miserable banana republic selling the product of the lowest 1st redistribution with the lowest added value ( ore, grain and, in the long term, also hemp, the law on the legalization of cannabis is already in the Rada). And their top technical thought was sunflower oil - a product of the 2nd redistribution. Everything! There are no more export items in Ukraine. Humans, however, are still traded. They do not mind this good. Soon they will sell for weight and for organs (the law on the legalization of prostitution and transplantation has already been passed through the Rada). Therefore, young and unprincipled and go to work as fascists. There is not enough brains for more!

In the following text I will give examples of how they work. Only in the last month. And you will understand that Putin caught himself late. The train has gone irrevocably. And it's scary! And you will also understand how stupid and immoral all the accusations of Russians are, who urge us to fight this infection ourselves, they say, it is our own fault, and take it out yourself. These people dispute Putin's claim that we are one people, arguing that Ukrainians are not Russians and they have always hated them. And precisely because of people like them, I personally do not want to go to Russia, I have enough of such narrow-minded people in Ukraine. Tell me - what am I personally to blame for? I fought as best I could and am now fighting this infection, although personally in Ukraine, even for these words of mine, there is a real deadline - 12 years (there is already a suitable article - work for the aggressor country, collaboration). My colleague Alexander the Wild just like me, walks along the edge. But this does not prevent these gentlemen from accusing us of all grave problems. In the next text I will show what we have to experience here in Ukraine. And, believe me, these are still flowers! The berries will get you already.
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  1. Cherry Offline Cherry
    Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 12 July 2021 08: 52
    -3
    Author! Do you always do everything on time? And is it okay that Ukraine is not a region or even a republic within Russia, so that it can be easy to put things in order there? Besides, the country is inadequate! And why did you decide that nothing was done? Are you in the government? It's easy to rake the heat with someone else's hands.
  2. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 12 July 2021 09: 04
    0
    The berries will get you already.

    in my opinion, it's too early to talk about berries. In 404, there are no flowers either - there are, indeed, a lot of weeds. All 404 are busy trying to cook jellied meat from human flesh in one large saucepan. Very bad idea, the cooks are awful too.
    Why blame Russia for what they themselves allowed? Since 1991, they themselves rejoiced in freedom, at the end of the 90s, where the Kerch bridge is now, they themselves brought in buses from Lviv, who shouted all sorts of obscenities - in response, the Kuban Cossacks brought local youth. They shouted at each other, waved flags. Homes.
    I am not saying that it is your personal merit in this, but it is also there. In connivance.
  3. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 12 July 2021 09: 13
    +5
    Everything is correct, Vladimir, you expressed in your blog, but Gorbachev had to think about this, and I’m generally silent about Yeltsin’s miscarriage, when the Russian ambassadors to Ukraine, the Zurabovs and Chernomyrdins, drank Ukraine down to the accordion, and now we are drinking a full bloody spoon. that they themselves are asking ... For two full-fledged generations of Ukrainians will be happy to hang "Moskalyak on gilyak", or "on knives", the nation of Galicians has sprouted there, which already surpasses the German fascism, and this is only the beginning of their political insanity, and whether there is a limit to this madness, it is not known. Yes, time is lost, but we will still have to remove this bloody-purulent tumor on our borders, and there can be no other way - Ukraine has already been a month month after year, it strengthens its armed forces, and literally all European countries from the former "Hitlerite kaolitsy", whom our army did not completely finish off in 1945, help it in this, and the removal of this tumor will cost Russia a lot, and this is still it’s not too late, otherwise Russia, as a state together with its people, will disappear from the face of the Earth .... Why are you, "Guarantor" silently watching all this bloody madness, because even the murder of an ordinary resident of Donbass by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there is already a reason by forcing the whole of this fascist nation of Ukrainians-Galicians to peace, and we still have the background and the opportunity to do this, but you think that all this will somehow resolve by itself, and we continue to chew the snot in the same way.
  4. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 12 July 2021 09: 44
    +6
    And you will also understand how stupid and immoral all the accusations of Russians are, who urge us to fight this infection ourselves, they say, it is our own fault, and take it out yourself.

    These words are not devoid of meaning. Foreign intelligence forces such as the CIA, MI6 and other NATO special services were deployed against the pro-Russian people of Ukraine. Can the common people oppose anything to such work of foreign spies who act by bribery, threat and elimination of dissent? Was any work done to protect these citizens from foreign interference by the Russian special services? It seems that in the USSR these issues were taken more seriously.
    1. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
      zzdimk 12 July 2021 10: 12
      -3
      It seems that in the USSR these issues were taken more seriously.

      where is your reasoning? Look at the old ruble, see the inscription, what is the unit of the money supply in the hands ... 15 languages ​​on one banknote. 1005000 titles won't fit. There is not a single small nation with its dialect.
      1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 12 July 2021 10: 19
        +3
        Here the whole point is not in rubles, but in the interference of NATO special services in the affairs of Ukraine.
    2. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 12 July 2021 10: 32
      +2
      Quote: Bulanov
      These words are not devoid of meaning. Foreign intelligence forces such as the CIA, MI6 and other NATO special services were deployed against the pro-Russian people of Ukraine.

      The beginning of the genocide of Russians in Ukraine was laid by Benya Kolomoisky, who promised to pay from 1 to 5 thousand dollars for each "pro-Russian quilted jacket", which he did, and prisons and pre-trial detention centers in Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, and other cities of Ukraine a week after the state. coup on February 20, 2014, were beaten to capacity, and political denunciation of their friends and relatives has become some kind of wild norm throughout Ukraine, which is still in effect, so that any dissent there is suppressed in the bud by all sorts of gangs of nationalist thugs, up to murder and lynching, so do not drag into this some foreign special services, which at that moment did not even dream of some kind of quick change of power, but all this happened spontaneously, two idiots, Vitali Klitschko and Mustafa Nayem, brought the shkolota-shkolota to the Maidan in support of his idol-boxer Vitali Klitschko for the post of President of Ukraine, and Ukraine's accession to the EU, and immediately the nationalists with the UPA and OUN-UNSO immediately "hurried in advance", bringing their ranks of militants from Western Ukraine in whole echelons and columns of buses, and this is where this bloody mess in Ukraine began, which, according to the Western special services, should have begun only next 2015 at the early presidential elections in Ukraine, by agreement with the heads Poland, Germany and France, but ... it turned out the way it turned out - Ukraine is in the fire of a civil war, in economic and political devastation, but its leadership, with lust and puppy joy, puffs its cheeks from its "peremogs" that have brought the country to the most impoverished country Europe.
      1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 12 July 2021 11: 12
        +4
        And 5 yards of greenery from the United States for the introduction and feeding of the 5th column in Ukraine - that doesn't count?
        1. Valentine Offline Valentine
          Valentine (Valentin) 12 July 2021 11: 18
          +1
          Quote: Bulanov
          And 5 yards of greenery from the United States for the introduction and feeding of the 5th column in Ukraine - that doesn't count?

          Well, why, this money was invested in the "future" of Ukraine, only then no one knew when it would come, and that "it" would be so fast.
    3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 12 July 2021 11: 04
      -8
      Quote: Bulanov
      Foreign intelligence forces such as the CIA, MI6 and other NATO special services were deployed against the pro-Russian people of Ukraine.

      The Reptilians were forgotten.

      Quote: Bulanov
      Can the common people oppose anything to such work of foreign spies who act by bribery, threat and elimination of dissent?

      Not a single intelligence service in the world is able to shape the mood of citizens, to arrange a Maidan. They can only take advantage of the existing situation. This is an axiom.

      Quote: Bulanov
      It seems that in the USSR these issues were taken more seriously.

      The experience of the USSR can hardly be called successful.
      1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 12 July 2021 11: 39
        +4
        The Soviet experience was successful until Khrushchev came. Even modern Chinese people talk about it. They went the other way.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 12 July 2021 15: 54
          -4
          The system cannot be considered successful if, with the death of its creator, a karachun and the system itself came. A successful system is sustainable.
          I don't know what modern Chinese are saying there, but they are clearly departing from socialism, rejecting the fundamental principle of public ownership of the means of production. In Stalin's time, these were called opportunists, that is, traitors to the cause of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao.
          1. beeper Offline beeper
            beeper 12 July 2021 17: 40
            +1
            The Great Depression (which the United States was helped out of only by World War II!) And the real Holodomor in the United States during the "reign" of Franklin Delano Roosevelt claimed many more millions of white lives for people, it was NOT considered, like other Indians) American citizens!
            But about this the Fashington Goebbelsuchs neither "fat-fat", "do not like" to remember, as if they "do not know" ?! request
            According to the well-known thieves' custom, they loudly shout (write) "Stop the thief!" and falsely point away from you!
            Do we forget the Biblical covenant about "a beam in our own eye" ?!
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 July 2021 00: 33
              -4
              I do not understand how the famine in the United States justifies the famine in the USSR.
              I don't know what they say in the USA about the famine of the 30s in the USSR, but I know the official position of the Russian authorities
              https://duma.consultant.ru/page.aspx?955838
          2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
            Bulanov (Vladimir) 13 July 2021 08: 53
            +3
            Mao is still revered in China. And they followed the path of the NEP, which the USSR followed until Lenin's death. Artels under Stalin are echoes of the NEP that Khrushchev strangled. By the way, he also forbade keeping cows on the farm.
          3. Dear sofa expert. 13 July 2021 13: 05
            0
            A system cannot be considered successful if a karachun came with the death of its creator

            If you are talking about Lenin, then after his death the system lasted quite a long time.
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 12 July 2021 12: 07
        +5
        Not a single intelligence service in the world is able to shape the mood of citizens, to arrange a Maidan. They can only take advantage of the existing situation.

        Color revolutions are a long-established scheme.
        And the existing situation has been created since 1992. Ever since Ukraine has been under US control.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 July 2021 00: 49
          -1
          If you believe in a world government and a Masonic conspiracy, then yes, there is a worked-out scenario of color revolutions. And we must also consider people very stupid creatures, if they can be manipulated like a herd of sheep.
          In fact, the main "color" revolutionary in Ukraine is Yanukovych, who brought the situation to such an outcome. And none of Nuland's cookies in reality influenced the situation no matter how significant, unlike Yanukovych's mistakes.
          1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
            Bulanov (Vladimir) 13 July 2021 08: 55
            +1
            And in Yugoslavia, Georgia, Moldova, too, Yanukovych played a dirty trick? Or was it all done according to the precepts of Sharpe and with the help of Soros?
          2. Dear sofa expert. 13 July 2021 13: 02
            +1
            In fact, the main "color" revolutionary in Ukraine is Yanukovych, who brought the situation to such an outcome.

            Oh, but I thought it was Yushchenko, who brought the country to Yanukovych.)
      3. Dear sofa expert. 13 July 2021 13: 01
        +1
        The Reptilians were forgotten.

        Thanks for reminding everyone)

        No intelligence in the world is able to shape the mood of citizens,

        Come on .. and some are sure that they even help to choose presidents))
  5. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 12 July 2021 10: 16
    0
    Politics is the art of the possible. I like Putin because (including) that he does not aim at what he cannot do. Sets realistic goals and fulfills them.

    Where did Putin look before?

    I think that I was looking at Russia. He is the president of Russia, not the USSR. It seems to me that Putin did not want to make a mess in Donbass either. Simply because the population was not ready. And Russia was not economically ready to help Donbass. We felt it well for ourselves. I have suspicions that Strelkov acted on the orders of ukrooligarchs. They did not need the electorate of the east of Ukraine. And they practically excluded him from the elections.
    In addition, Putin does not need Ukraine as part of the Russian Federation. It will not accept national formations into the Russian Federation. When the 404 reaches the stage of federalization, Russia will gradually take over the regions as soon as they are ready.

    The berries will get you already.

    I already wrote that the areas will be accepted as soon as they are ready. First of all - as soon as the population is ready.
    Those who do not agree to live there left long ago. Those who stayed must (everyone!) Realize that Ukraine does not exist and should not exist.

    I fought as best I could and am now fighting this infection, ...

    Unfortunately, this is not enough. The USSR, under the control of the Ukrainian mafia, disproportionately pumped up Ukraine with resources, which gave rise to arrogance and arrogance in Ukrainians towards Russians. We must get rid of this. Everyone.
    People involved in geostrategy believe that in order to annex a territory by another country, 3 conditions must be met:
    1. More than 75% of the population of the annexed territory must be in favor of the accession.
    2. More than 75% of the population of the joining country must be in favor of joining.
    3. The military power of the annexing country must exceed the military power of the annexed territory (or the country to which it belongs) at least 3 times.
    This is not counting the various political circumstances.
    In the case of Ukraine, only condition 3 is fulfilled. Dmitry Dzhangirov in "Correcting Errors" constantly makes thematic videos devoted to statistical research. Very helpful in understanding what's going on. According to conditions 1 and 2, there is nothing close. So you have to wait. And, as federalization progresses, begin to control the process. Soon Ukraine will find itself in the Russian currency zone and its influence will become noticeable.
    It seems to me very useful to arrange the regions looking at the LDNR. It is impossible to think of people more interested in eradicating Ukrainians than those who sat (according to Poroshenko's behest) in basements, who lost relatives, friends, acquaintances from the shelling of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Those who regularly see the Avenue of Angels.
    If Muscovites were engaged in de-Ukrainization, it would cause psychological rejection. And when the guys from the LDNR do this, the most stubborn will stick their tongues to hell. They will simply be afraid to tremble in the knees.
    And they will succeed.
    1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 12 July 2021 10: 49
      -2
      I like Putin because (including) that he does not aim at what he cannot do. Sets realistic goals and fulfills them.

      The May 2012 decrees were carried out especially smartly.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 12 July 2021 11: 08
        0
        You just don't understand how power works. It is necessary to distinguish between real plans and signals.
        When it comes to other countries, no one is surprised that power is very heterogeneous. It consists of many groups, whose interests are, in many respects, opposite.
        No one is surprised that Zeman (the whole president) is a purely decorative, representative figure.
        In Germany, everyone knows who Merkel is, but not immediately and not everyone will remember who the president is.
        So is Putin. He initially had the functions of monitoring foreign policy, over the armed forces, arbitration between oligarchs, in case of conflicts. Everything. At the same time, until about 2007. people were appointed to general positions only after Voloshin's visa.
        Putin had no right to get into the economy. This was the diocese of the Liberals.
        Putin was brought to power under certain agreements. And he always respects the agreements, even if he really doesn't like it.
        And in Russia, it is easier for the people to see the tsar who is responsible for everything and can do anything. Alas, the mentality and the brain are reluctant to turn on.
        But the liberals stopped keeping their promises. They are unable to provide an inflow of investments. Therefore, Putin gives signals to both the people and the liberals that they (the liberals) do not fulfill their points of agreement. And he warns that he can do it himself. And he has already started.
        Everything that concerns his original duties, he performs brilliantly.
        This topic is complex, not for the comment format.
        1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 12 July 2021 11: 14
          -1
          But the liberals stopped keeping their promises.

          Back in 1996, one of the main liberals by the name of Chubais invited the current owner of the Kremlin, who was then living in St. Petersburg, to the post of deputy of the presidential administration of Russia.
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 12 July 2021 11: 15
            0
            It was his fault. Putin competently played a blunt limited performer. KGB, school ...
        2. Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) 12 July 2021 20: 58
          +4
          Quote: boriz
          So is Putin. He initially had functions to control foreign policy, over the armed forces.

          Dear boriz.
          Namely, due to inaction in the foreign policy of Russia in the countries of the former USSR -
          and the main claims and indignation against Vladimir Putin were formed.

          Russia should have channels of influence on what is happening in the countries of the former USSR.
          Channels - cultural, educational, political, economic and on the line
          special services, in the end. This is foreign policy - for which Putin is responsible.

          The special services of all NATO countries are actively working in the post-Soviet countries, -
          through dozens of different channels to promote their interests.
          That is why Russia found itself - SURROUNDED. Surrounded - which will
          destabilize, blow up life in Russia - from within.
          And the territory of Ukraine - given over to the military bases of Britain, the United States?

          It is the diaspora of Ukrainians, Belarusians, Armenians, (charged by NATO special services)
          Diaspora of Azerbaijanis and Muslims from Wed. Asia (through Muslim channels) -
          for decades, have the ability to conduct subversive work
          inside Russia.
          It was impossible to withdraw and transfer the countries of the former USSR, - at the mercy
          Russian businessmen and all NATO special services.
          Transfer channels of influence to millions of people friendly to Russia, -
          into the hands of Russia's eternal enemies.
          And President Putin (as a former KGB officer) - could not help but know this.
          And HE is responsible for Russia's foreign policy in the countries of the former USSR,
    2. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 12 July 2021 12: 53
      -2
      Excellent post by Boris, plus with pleasure
  6. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 12 July 2021 10: 23
    -2
    ... the indigenous people of Ukraine should be understood as:
    An autochthonous ethnic community of people, which has formed on the territory of Ukraine, is a bearer of an original language and culture, has traditional, social, cultural or representative bodies, recognizes itself as an indigenous people of Ukraine, is an ethnic minority in its population and does not have its own state education outside of Ukraine.

    According to this law, the Crimean Tatars, Karaites and Krymchaks are recognized as the indigenous peoples of Ukraine. There are no Russians or even Ukrainians there. Not to mention the Greeks, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Moldovans, Jews, Rusyns, Poles and other nationalities who have been living on the territory of Ukraine for centuries

    I have a feeling that most of those discussing this law were struck by the instant loss of their minds. The Russians have Russia, the Ukrainians have Ukraine, the Greeks have Greece, the Hungarians have Hungary, the Bulgarians have Bulgaria, the Moldovans have Moldova, the Jews have Israel, and the Poles have Poland.
    And if all of the above are completely unbearable to live on the outskirts, they can move to the above countries. That's all. This process is called repatriation.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 12 July 2021 11: 13
      +5
      And if all of the above are completely unbearable to live on the outskirts, they can move to the above countries.

      Cool! First, the people, along with the land, were transferred to some non-existent country, and now - get out of your land wherever you want! Clever boy!

      The Russians have Russia, the Ukrainians have Ukraine, the Greeks have Greece, the Hungarians have Hungary, the Bulgarians have Bulgaria, the Moldovans have Moldova, the Jews have Israel, the Poles have Poland.

      Of all these countries, Ukraine until 1918. did not exist as a state. Or rather, until 1991.
      Israel was, but where and when is a dark question.
      But there was definitely no Ukraine.
      1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 12 July 2021 15: 38
        -3
        First, the people, along with the land, were transferred to some non-existent country, and now - get out of your land wherever you want!

        Everything in your head is mixed into an unimaginable mess. After the collapse of the USSR, the Ukrainian SSR turned into the Republic of Ukraine. The external borders were open, the borders between the republics too. Don't like the power? - Collect the money and go wherever you want. Do you want to leave? - comply with the laws of the country and adapt to new conditions.
        And everyone has their own land only at the cemetery. And that is not forever.
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 12 July 2021 11: 49
      +3
      Interestingly, you did not mention Romania. Just forgotten, or on purpose, as a bad example?
      The same invented country as Ukraine.
      1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 12 July 2021 15: 54
        -3
        you didn't mention Romania.

        Have you even read the opus yourself? Is the word "Romania" mentioned at least once? This is a quote from the opus!
        Simultaneously with Romania, Bulgaria was "invented".
        Around the same time, Italy and Germany were invented in other regions of Europe.
        Do you have any idea about this?

        Of all the listed countries, Ukraine until 1918. did not exist as a state.

        The Principality of Moldova was independent only in the second half of the 14th century. The eastern part of the principality (Bessarabia) was under the Russians, Romanian and Soviet.
        In 1991, the former Bessarabia, faced with the collapse of the USSR, declared its independence.
        In the same way, Ukraine - the USSR collapsed, and the former republics began their independent life. How independent is she? - This question does not apply to this topic.
    3. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 12 July 2021 17: 39
      -1
      Ukrainians, according to this law, are not recognized as the indigenous people of Ukraine, where should they move?
      1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 12 July 2021 17: 56
        -3
        )))) Ukrainians, the people who gave the name to the country Ukraine (titular nationality). Therefore, they live at home. They can move individually in search of a better life or for other reasons (for example, Yanukovych).

        Guys, you don’t know the simplest things, you are pretending to be "encyclopedists" here :))
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 12 July 2021 18: 13
          +3
          and who are you impersonating? if Ukrainians are not the indigenous people of Ukraine, then they were brought here - by whom, when? and Kievan Rus, then what? who founded it? Mongols ?! This is the whole nonsense of this law!
          1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 12 July 2021 18: 28
            -4
            and who are you impersonating?

            The main thing is that you do not stick your chase to other, normal people.
            And watch again the video about the "joint parade" of Soviet troops and Hitler's troops in Brest.
            Is free.
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 12 July 2021 19: 03
              +1
              so we will write it down - left from a direct answer
              1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 12 July 2021 20: 25
                -2
                My history lessons are expensive
                1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                  Volkonsky (Vladimir) 12 July 2021 20: 37
                  0
                  also megalomania ...
                  1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 12 July 2021 20: 41
                    -2
                    You go read for the night what "Kievan Rus" is.
                    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                      Just a cat (Bayun) 13 July 2021 06: 27
                      -2
                      and what to read there? a couple of hundred years of disappointment for Rurik. First, the capital was moved to a Jewish town, then hastily retreated to the territory of Russia, remaining the princes of Kiev. in the end, they just plundered this gadyushnik. now those who, under Catherine, were called Circassians, and then renamed into Little Russians, they yell that they are Russian. About indigenous peoples in general Hochma. They recognize Russians, Poles, Jews, Tatars, Zulu and others as a fact, but they are offended that there are no Ukrainians on the list. it does not yet reach that the Ukrainians were invented and that they did not exist a hundred years ago. either a Russian, a Pole, a Jew ... or a Ukrainian, but then to the ward to the Napoleons with the Kutuzovs. I do not understand at all their pathological desire to abandon their history, ancestors, invent a nationality for themselves and cling to others. If you can see by the last name and on the face it says that the Turks, what ... to be called a Ukrainian, and even more so to climb into the Russians?
                      Turks do not hesitate to be Turks ...
                    2. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 13 July 2021 06: 34
                      -2
                      Over there, another story EG got out.
                      I will die of laughter watching your nonsense :)
        2. Dear sofa expert. 13 July 2021 13: 10
          +4
          Ukrainians, the people who gave the name to the country Ukraine

          The name of the outskirts of their lands was given by the Russians. So it is correct to call the peoples living on the outskirts of Russia - Okraintsy. )
        3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 July 2021 19: 51
          0
          Your Ukraine became part of Russia within the borders of 1654, there are no legal grounds to consider other territories as Ukraine and will not be. You remembered the parade in Brest, so do not forget that Poland occupied part of Czechoslovakia together with Hitler, and your Ukraine is an occupier both in Donbass and in Odessa ... And by the way, when your Sobchak, sick with Bandera, from the Russian Federation, will be dumped into Ridna Zhmerenka, not tired of eating Moscow bread ?!
  7. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 12 July 2021 10: 41
    +1
    hi Eh, dear Vladimir Volkonsky, write everything right! good
    Is it really Russian (not counting the "Ukrainian" Natsiks - from the British, Polish, Estonian, now Ukrainian, and other TsIPSO, and ordinary "Svidomo") household "Russian" Natsiks on the Reporter only "one" flutters ?! smile
    They not only "do not like" Ukrainians (residents of the "territory" of the MULTINATIONAL former USSR) Ukrainians, but also Russians, too, all of us are choked! fool
    And VV Putin, yes, it happens, "with a clever air" such a frank "tolerastic blizzard" (straight-in the style of a cartoon "Leopold's cat" dear partners "did not smile ... negative ) "about the militant Judeo-Bandera-fascists (and the anti-Russian Nazi masters who are urging them on) says that" the fish soup is already withering! " request
    And reading about the current mass Coronabesianism in relation to ordinary Russians in Moscow and other Russian regions, and comparing it with our indifferent "anarchy" in wearing "muzzles of obedience" (even our factory mechanic, a diligent adherent of "covid", spent the whole last year in a rag mask "under the eyes" and film gloves, finally, stopped making people laugh with these "precautions"), you think that even in this we (in the predominantly Russian and Russian-speaking Southeast) indulgence! winked
    Local and visiting (after the war and the Khrushchev amnesty, the "zapadentsy" who took root and gave offspring in our area), the "Ukrainians" feel a general (the bulk of the population) negative attitude towards themselves and do not particularly "prostrate" (the bulk of the most zealous Maidan "skakuas" knocked out and crippled in the Donbass, the militia knocked them off the former Nazi arrogance)!
    The fact that the Kremlin did not have (and did NOT have!) Any PPP in the Washington colony "Ukraine" was clear and understandable even from the "Olympic calmness" during the Kiev Maidan coup and the imminent recognition by the Russian authorities of the legitimacy of the Kiev ameromarionettes (as well as "Minsk-1 , 2, 3 ").
    And "Judeo-Bandera berries" - yes .... Russia will "get it" too, alas!
    After all, these ultra-nationalist "dragon teeth", "sown" under Gorby Mechen, were nurtured by ALL "Ukrainian authorities" stolen, in 2014 coquettishly, by the vulgar "lips" of Vicky Nudelman, who "mentioned" his "five kopecks for the development of ukrodemocracy" - an amerocolonial fascist model!)
    And with this mega-hostile (accentedly Russophobic anti-Russian!) Insane Judeo-Bandera aggressive trash on the borders of the Russian Federation, the Russian authorities (volens-nolens, even through Leopold's "I don't want"!) Will have to "do something"!
    IMHO
    1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 12 July 2021 13: 22
      -2
      Dear colleague Pischak.
      If you post this post as an article, there is such an option in your profile, then many more people will read it and, accordingly, discuss it.
      A modest personal wish.
      Krgs, Peter drinks
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 12 July 2021 16: 12
        +1
        hi Dear Pyotr Vladimirovich, I see you, because of me, because of your friendly parting words, you have already received so many minuses (with your Pluses you evened them out a little wink ).
        To be honest, I have not thought about such an "option", but from now on I will NOT renounce! smile
        Thank you for the interesting "impulse" of thought! good
        1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 12 July 2021 16: 44
          -1
          And foreigners Russophobes are chasing me with all their wretched hatred ... I'm used to ... fellow
          1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 12 July 2021 18: 13
            -1
            A town in the West American steppe. Saloon. At the table are two cowboys, a local and a visitor, and drink whiskey. Suddenly, someone rushes along the street at great speed, scorching in all directions from revolvers. In the saloon no one leads the ear. Visiting local:
            - Billy?
            - Yes, Harry?
            “What was that, Billy?”
            - It was Elusive Joe, Harry.
            “Why is his name Elusive Joe, Billy?”
            “Because no one has caught him yet, Harry.”
            “Why hasn't anyone caught him yet, Billy?”
            - Because he's on. ... Nobody wants it, Harry.

  8. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 12 July 2021 13: 24
    -1
    The elections were held in Moldova.

    According to preliminary data from the CEC of Moldova, after processing 99,95% of the ballots, the pro-European party of President Maia Sandu "Action and Solidarity" (PAS) won 52,74% of the votes in the early parliamentary elections. This is a record figure in the entire history of the country.

    The competitors all together scored a little more than 33%. Soon they will feel the European way on their own skin, and then they will remember that Putin is to blame. Is that how he allowed it?
  9. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 12 July 2021 13: 36
    -5
    - Pfff ... - Personally, I'm here ... here ... here I still don't understand ... - what is all the fuss about ???
    - Well, Ukraine; well, it is not the first year of persecution ... - large-scale ... - large-scale on the Russian and Russian-speaking population ... - the population that lives in Ukraine ... - So what ???
    - There someone went out into the streets ??? - Someone there created some kind of organization (legal-illegal, "underground-non-underground"); some printed organs appeared, again - "legal-illegal", "underground-non-underground" ... - Or Russian patriots in this Ukraine, risking themselves ... - began to paste leaflets where it is given (no ... - not a call to overthrow "the legally elected Nazi government of Ukraine") ... but just .... mmmm ... "criticism" of this reigning arbitrariness says "disagreement" with the status quo ???
    - So even this is NOT in Ukraine !!! - Everyone is sitting there quietly and intensively learning the Ukrainian language; in order to quickly become a "full-fledged full-fledged Ukrainian" ... - And many Russians in Ukraine have already become such ... - And in a few years there - there will be even more of them ...
    - And here we are wringing our hands; "we fight for their rights" ... - And there, it turns out ... - everything happens voluntarily ... - Yes, it is voluntarily ... - And the ranks of the "schiryh" are multiplying every day ... - And the youth there is so all for the "Ukrainian nationalist way" ...
    - Even during the Second World War, during the fascist occupation ... - on the territory of occupied Ukraine and then ... - there were youth organizations that fought against the enemies (pasted leaflets, collected information about enemies, campaigned, etc., etc.) .. - And today everyone "supports" and "joins the ranks" or pretends that such creeping nationalism suits them ...
    - So what are we over here ... here ... here "we break the spears" ??? - They are happy with everything there ...
    1. beeper Offline beeper
      beeper 12 July 2021 17: 20
      0
      Nda, "wringing her hands (herself, or what ?!)" Mrs. Gorenina, you, "spear-breaking", as always, "are categorical (" there is a correct opinion, mine and wrong "!)" And again "on horseback" -recklessly "wave your saber" ...
      It is immediately obvious (of course, if you look from "Ukraine") that you are completely "out of topic", as if you are completely blind and deaf, alas!
      Anti-Maidan-anti-fascist-anti-war leaflets and, quite large letters, inscriptions on the walls of houses (which were immediately, hastily, liquidated and painted over by communal services!), Covered with red paint (symbolizing the blood of the South-East spilled by the Iudo-Bandera) and the pillars were in 2014 (and even happened in 2015), when many in Ukraine still hoped and, in spite of everything, still believed that Russia “does not abandon its own people” and will help in the fight against occupational amero-fascism.
      Apparently you DO NOT have enough "intellectual power" to realize that during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-45 (during that fascist "common European" occupation)youth organizations (and "adults detachments "?!)" was the socialist Soviet Motherland and Stalin's Moscow (which is clearly NOT a match for the feudal-capitalist Putin-Sobyanin's!), fighting the fascists with might and main ?!
      And about effective long-term "the work of the" podTSRushnoy "ISBushka" and the post-Maidan atrocities of the Banderonazi "tonton-macoutes" you, Mrs. Irina, do not even have "thoughts", are you "in the house" ?! fool

      P.S. Most of the inhabitants of the "territory" of the former Ukrainian SSR are "bilingual", i.e. we are fluent in Russian and Ukrainian languages ​​(plus also a village "surzhik").
      And here in the South-East we manage with them, without "uchUta (well, your brains are twisted, Madam Gorenina!)" This Judeo-Banderist "new" ("Newspeak", like everything else, from "1984" by J. Orwell " ).
      1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 12 July 2021 18: 13
        -4
        - Mr. pechak ... - personally, I am tired of listening to your senile grumbling ...
        - Why are you clung to me ... - there is no one else, or what ??? - Before, I remember, you were even pretty to me, but now ... - Well, what are you writing about ???
        - Well, in a nutshell:
        - you say that very, very, very many people in Ukraine speak Russian ... - since then this "multitude" allowed that all Russian schools were closed and practically forbidden to speak Russian ??? - Well, how ???
        - And tell me how ... how ... how ... it is - to the 1,5 million Russian city of Kharkov, which was simply thirsty and was ready to become part of Russia, suddenly several dozen buses from "Zapadenshchina" with "Zapadenskie" thugs and these thugs put the whole of Kharkov on their ears ... - And the 1,5 millionth Russian city of Kharkov no longer wants to be part of Russia ... - Moreover ... - The 1,5 millionth Russian city of Kharkov is running at a run to industrial enterprises - factories and factories, and there begins to work hard day and night to rivet and restore military equipment for the Armed Forces of Ukraine ??? - What's this ??? -Speak in Russian; do in Russian; and they are being made against the Russians ... - What is this ... - this is how this handful of "Zapadenskih Banderovites" frightened the 1,5 million Russian city of Kharkov; that the whole of Kharkov lost its whole mind overnight ???
        - And who is this so zealous for more than seven years now firing all types of artillery ("thanks" to Kharkov - there are a lot of shells) in the cities, towns and villages of Novorossiya ... ... - It's very easy to find them in Ukraine - those who directly shot ... at children, women, old people ... - They don't hide ...
        - So why are you here ... here ... here you write everything and criticize me all ??? - What did I do ???
        - You ask yourself questions ...
        - Everything ... - tired already ...
        - Next time I'll give you a minus ...
        1. beeper Offline beeper
          beeper 12 July 2021 18: 24
          0
          Do not bargain with "sympathies", put your minuses, Mrs Gorenina! smile
          This will NOT change the essence of what I said!
          It is a pity that you "think" so primitively and straightforwardly, absolutely DO NOT see at the root of those processes about which you undertake to "speculate (the example of your" reasoning about buses "illustrates this well, alas)"!
          Well, you are "in the house", what is the demand from you ?!
          Good luck to you!
          1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
            gorenina91 (Irina) 13 July 2021 03: 41
            -2
            - Well ; Mr. pechak ... - I see that you are an ordinary elderly pensioner-demagogue; shying away from real life questions ...
  10. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 12 July 2021 13: 55
    -1
    This cannot be considered a media article. This is a blog post. It pains me to watch the media degrade. And those who plus under these opuses accelerate the process of falling. Vivat! Food for hamsters has arrived ..
    1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 12 July 2021 16: 00
      -1
      how the media is degrading

      Who told you that this is the media? This is a blog.
      Roskomnadzor (Federal Service for Supervision in the Sphere of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media) is not registered as a media outlet. Therefore, he is not responsible for his publications in any way.
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    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 12 July 2021 17: 52
      0
      I think you've heard of such an enemy publication as The New York Times? Is this the media in your opinion or not? go to the "Columnistics" section there, and then pour the soup on the Reporter
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 13 July 2021 07: 53
        0
        Where is the columnist section on the Reporter to read letters to Grandfather Frost?
  11. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 12 July 2021 17: 29
    +1
    Quote: trampoline instructor
    how the media is degrading

    Who told you that this is the media? This is a blog.
    Roskomnadzor (Federal Service for Supervision in the Sphere of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media) is not registered as a media outlet. Therefore, he is not responsible for his publications in any way.

    Mass media registration certificate: EL No. FS77-76970, issued on 11.10.2019 by the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media (Roskomnadzor)
    1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 12 July 2021 18: 03
      -2
      Once I looked at their imprint, there was no registration certificate then.
      Then the media.
      But this does not change the essence.
  12. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 13 July 2021 05: 36
    0
    Quote: Volkonsky
    I think you've heard of such an enemy publication as The New York Times? Is this the media in your opinion or not? go to the "Columnistics" section there, and then pour the soup on the Reporter

    Of course, it is easier to drag on the yellowness and adopt the bad than to be a high-quality publication with high demands on the broadcast material.
  13. Rinat Offline Rinat
    Rinat (Rinat) 13 July 2021 09: 01
    -3
    Judging by the mood of the article, the following conclusions can be drawn:
    - the author personally supports the law on the indigenous peoples of Ukraine,
    - Vladimir Putin is personally to blame for the current mess in Ukraine
    - he is guilty of the fact that nothing is being done against Russophobes in the Baltic States ..

    Knowing the actual steps taken by Russia against the current non-states of the baltics and ukraine, knowing the cause-and-effect relationships of what is happening there, one might think that V. Volkonsky has the memory of a woman with reduced social responsibility who does not remember the faces of her clients who took her away ..
    The Ukrainians, under the leadership of the Banderaites, are flattening their own eggs by their actions, screaming in pain and screaming at the entire “civilian world” that Russia and personally Vladimir Putin are causing them pain. Volkonsky is engaged in such propaganda, and his texts have never been distinguished by sober analytics. Maybe it's time to leave your personal belongings alone and start living according to your conscience? This is a question for Volkonsky personally.
  14. Bitter Offline Bitter
    Bitter (Gleb) 13 July 2021 10: 50
    -4
    right, he de jure does not infringe, at least more than they are already infringed de facto.

    That is exactly how they put all the previous processes in a legal framework. And how it can be understood and interpreted is just a song. Therefore, the fears of the President of the Russian Federation are fully justified.

    Where did Putin look before? What, he didn't notice all this?

    Ukraine is still a different state. Moreover, Russia itself only became independent for thirty years, from the same Ukraine. So, all these years, this very "independence" was kept up, the father of Russian democracy, Boris Nikolaich, probably bequeathed this.

    ... Putin realized himself late. The train is gone ...

    The priorities are so set, Africa and Venezuela turned out to be much closer and dearer to the newly made capitalists. The train hasn't left yet, but it has already started.

    Don't wait for me, mom, a good son.
    Your son is not the same as he was yesterday.
    I was sucked in by a dangerous quagmire
    And my life is an eternal game.

    Wait, locomotive, don't knock, wheels.
    There is time to look fate in the eye.
    It's not too late for us to stop
    Conductor, hit the brakes.