Afghanistan as a unique chance for a military alliance between Russia and China

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The inglorious and hasty withdrawal of US military contingents and their allies from Afghanistan is today almost the main world news, discussed by everyone - from serious analysts to idle gossips. This is not surprising - after all, this event will undoubtedly have geopolitical consequences that go far beyond the purely regional level.

Already now, forecasts are being made with might and main, and numerous versions are being put forward as to what exactly these very consequences may be. There are already plenty of similar "virtualities" built. However, it seems that one of them is missing - rather non-trivial and extremely intriguing just for our country.



No matter how the events in Afghanistan develop further, where the war (both with the participation of foreign troops and without them) has not subsided for many decades, it would be extremely naive to hope for a peaceful scenario that will develop “by itself”. The wrong country, the wrong people, the wrong internal "alignments" and factors of external influence ... It is unlikely that a full-fledged solution to the problems of a state that is about to "break apart" again will be possible without a "power component". This is where a turn is possible, which few expected today, but more than real in the future.

Reluctant peacekeepers?


It should be noted that it is Moscow and Beijing (among the major geopolitical "players") that have the greatest and most direct interest in ensuring that Afghanistan, with the withdrawal of American soldiers from there, does not turn into a new Syria, or something worse. Let's try to consider their reasons specifically, albeit in the most condensed and schematic form. First of all, neither Russia nor China "smiles" in any way as an excessive strengthening of the Taliban, nor, even more so, the revival of ISIS, which is quite likely at the present moment (both organizations are banned in Russia). And regarding the prospects of a keen bickering of many smaller, but from this no less harmful Islamist groups that can turn both the country itself and all the regions adjacent to it into bloody bedlam, we can say exactly the same thing.

Radical and militant Islamism is an extremely nasty thing, in particular, because it has a pronounced ability, speaking in medical terms, to produce abundant metastases. Its export to the former Soviet republics of Central Asia for our country will mean a sharp increase in the terrorist threat, flows of refugees and illegal migrants, an increase in drug trafficking, arms smuggling and a lot of other "delights". China, on the other hand, has a common border with Afghanistan, and even, as a sin, in the Xinjiang Uyghur region, inhabited mainly by Muslims. There is no doubt that given the current level of Beijing's "friendship" with the West, there will be innumerable people willing to direct the expansion of radicals under a green or black banner in this very direction. However, this also fully applies to the reality of the prospects for their attacks on Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Turkmenistan. To "spoil the blood" of the Russians and their allies by the hands of the Islamists is for the "white Sahibs" the most proven and, alas, effective method.

It should also not be forgotten that the Chinese comrades absolutely do not need any changes in not only the bordering Afghanistan, but the Pakistan that has "merged" with it. They have very big plans for this country within the framework of the One Belt - One Road project, considerable investments have already been made there, and even larger ones are expected. In Beijing, they definitely do not agree to carry out a grandiose construction "under the roar of cannonade". In one of the publications I happened to come across a phantasmagoric version that the Chinese de "offered the Taliban infrastructure and energy projects worth billions of dollars in exchange for lasting peace in Afghanistan and Pakistan", having reached an appropriate agreement. This is just ridiculous. The "Islamic Emirate" (and this is how the Taliban deign to call themselves officially) is, to put it mildly, not quite the structure with which one can negotiate anything at all. The Americans tried to win - first "break" him, then negotiate ... The result, as they say, is obvious.

And as for financial investments, did the USA greatly help the US $ 137 billion, which it has poured over two decades into the "reconstruction and development" of Afghanistan in ensuring stability in this completely unpredictable country and keeping its own protégés in power there? The Chinese are not more stupid and certainly not more naive than the Yankees. They know how to take into account and not repeat their mistakes in the most beautiful way. And so, by the way, with regard to the United States and not only them ... One of the most important tasks for both Russia and China in the current situation is to prevent the preservation and even strengthening of the military-strategic positions in the region of the Americans who are now carrying out an exemplary "drape" from it and their allies, as well as the penetration of other forces there - for example, the same Turkey, worn with the ghost of the "Great Turan". Just let those in, then you will be tortured to send them out.

A Commonwealth Time to Put Into Practice


It has been known for a long time that the US army (and, in particular, specific "offices") are excellently able to "stay while leaving". However, they are not alone - for example, the British Daily Telegraph, citing sources in the Special Airborne Service (SAS), reported that the British special forces may well "stay" in Afghanistan. Allegedly "for the training of the local military." Obviously, those that today surrender to the Taliban in thousands and flee to neighboring Tajikistan. It is perfectly clear against whom all the military and other similar structures of states that have declared their enemies No. 1 not some Taliban, but Russia and China, will actually act from Afghan territory. In addition, Washington does not abandon its attempts to openly settle even closer to our country - in Kazakhstan, for example. This must not be allowed in any case.

Where do we end up? Neither Moscow nor Beijing can afford to let the situation in Afghanistan take its course, relying on "maybe it will be formed". Could things come to the point of the need to bring certain military contingents into this territory? Let's be realistic - more than that. And just do not need "oohs" and "oohs", hysterics about "the danger of repeating the" Afghan break "of the USSR model"! Firstly, even then, everything was far from being as disastrous as they tried to convince us later, and it could have been even more successful - if not for some strategic miscalculations of the country's leadership and the army. Secondly, the experience of the Syrian campaign convincingly proves that it is precisely these mistakes that Russia has realized and is not going to repeat. Well, and thirdly, forgive the cynicism, if a state with the ambitions of a world power does not participate in wars outside its own limits, the war will sooner or later come to its land. To paraphrase Napoleon, a country that does not create military bases on foreign territory will receive foreign bases on its own. In this particular case, the "alignment" is exactly this and the other is not available.

Much more interesting, perhaps, is the question of what kind of forms military cooperation between Russia and China could take in ensuring peace and stability in Afghanistan and the adjacent region? We will consider the topic primarily in a pragmatic aspect - Beijing, perhaps, is much more interested than our country in the material side of solving this problem. "One Belt - One Road" could indeed be extended to Afghan territory - provided a stable peace is established there. For our country, in turn, it is more important to ensure the security of borders - both our own and allies in the same CSTO. However, why not get additional benefits from solving these problems? The People's Liberation Army of China probably has the military-technical resources to conduct a peacekeeping operation of this magnitude. The problem here is something else - the complete absence of an extremely specific experience that is vital in this case. But just our military has it - and from some of them it was acquired directly in Afghanistan, which makes it absolutely invaluable. Each side has something to offer each other, realizing that it will be problematic for both Moscow and Beijing to cope with an incredibly large-scale task alone. That is why such a configuration of the Russian-Chinese peacekeeping contingent seems to be the most appropriate, in which the Celestial Empire would take on the main burden of the logistical and financial support of the mission, and our country would be responsible for its other aspects arising from the presence of a huge array of "developments", which became the result of both the previous Afghan campaign and the recent Syrian one.

Extending the Treaty on Good Neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation between Russia and China, the leaders of the two countries spoke very sparingly about the purely military aspects of this very cooperation. Naturally - after all, such things are not announced to the general public. Nevertheless, Vladimir Putin emphasized that "coordination between Moscow and Beijing" undoubtedly plays a serious "stabilizing role", including in the context of "increasing conflict potential in various parts of the world." Ensuring peace in Afghanistan can be an excellent example of such "stabilization" in the Russian-Chinese implementation. And this will be even more important in light of the fact that, in front of the eyes of the whole world, the corresponding mission was failed miserably and shamefully by the United States and its allies.

The military alliance between Moscow and Beijing is for the "collective West" perhaps the biggest nightmare they can imagine. On this occasion, in particular, they have repeatedly and very sharply expressed themselves in the White House, calling the very possibility of such an alliance "a direct challenge to the vital interests of the United States." In order to show that all these are not empty fears, but a very real prospect, over which the West really needs to ponder, the Russian and Chinese military sooner or later need to stand shoulder to shoulder not in exercises, but in a real combat situation, which fully checks for the strength of weapons, people, and defense alliances. So why doesn't this happen in Afghanistan?
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  1. -4
    8 July 2021 10: 05
    The inglorious and hasty departure of the US military contingents and their allies from the territory of Afghanistan

    Sorry, but in February 1989, what was the departure? Nice and unhurried?

    Afghanistan as a unique chance for a military alliance between Russia and China

    History teaches that it teaches nothing. Few of the "limited contingent performing international duty"?
    I hope the Chinese are smart enough not to go into this rocky lair of medieval savages.
    1. 0
      8 July 2021 22: 27
      Sorry, but in February 1989, what was the departure? Nice and unhurried?

      And that was what he was.

      In several stages, with the removal or transfer of property, objects.
      We came out really winners.
      1. -2
        9 July 2021 00: 03
        We came out really winners.

        Personally, you can really think so. No need to knock. This time.
        And went out not Russian, but Soviet. This two.
        The Taliban destroyed the Soviet protege Najibullah in 1996, and all the "objects and property" handed over to him flew off the ass. These are three.
        1. +1
          9 July 2021 19: 12
          Personally, you can really think so.

          Are you one of those who met those returning from across the river with the words "I didn't send you there" ??
          This explains a lot.

          And not Russian, but Soviet came out. These are two.

          I wrote somewhere that came out Russian ??
          I wrote that they went out with dignity, in the afternoon, with banners unfurled.
          And they did not fly away at night, secretly from their allies.

          The Taliban destroyed the Soviet protege Najibullah in 1996, and all the "objects and property" handed over to him flew off the ass. These are three.

          Can I tell you how many US henchmen killed around the world?
          Politics is not a chess club, where in the worst case they can pinch fish soup with a board.
          However, the memory of the "Soviet" Afghans remained.

          1. +1
            9 July 2021 21: 40
            You are one of those who met those returning from across the river with words

            I haven't met anyone. And he didn't say any words. It is clear?
            Did you personally come out of there yourself? over the river? Did Alexey Pishenkov come out of there?
            1. +1
              9 July 2021 22: 38
              I haven't met anyone. And he didn't say any words. It is clear?

              You have nothing to do with it?
              So come in?

              Sorry, but in February 1989, what was the departure? Nice and unhurried?

              To communicate with you, what to play chess with a pigeon ..

              Lullaby for you for the night ..

              1. 0
                10 July 2021 06: 24
                You remind me of a fly from a fable: sitting on the horn of a bull returning from plowing, a fly importantly proclaimed: "We plowed "... So do you:

                Мы got out really winners.
                1. -1
                  10 July 2021 23: 51
                  You remind me of a fly from a fable: sitting on the horn of a bull returning from plowing, the fly importantly proclaimed: "We plowed." So do you:

                  I'm still familiar with the topic.
                  There you are Xuli (o) Tebenado what side in the subject that you broadcast so categorically?
                  Another Cyberfront Warrior?
    2. +1
      9 July 2021 01: 05
      Quote: Xuli (o) Tebenado
      Sorry, but in February 1989, what was the departure? Nice and unhurried?

      Considering the huge contribution of the USSR to the construction of infrastructure, buildings, schools, etc., this is in no way comparable to the emptiness that the Yankees leave behind. The exit of the USSR troops was like a parade, and the Americans fled like rats from there, leaving everything they could. The most interesting is the opinion of the Taliban themselves on this score, a lot of our veterans visit Afghanistan and meet with former enemies. It is very interesting to take this information into account, you obviously cannot say anything about this.
      1. -3
        9 July 2021 04: 46
        Considering the huge contribution of the USSR to the construction of infrastructure, buildings, schools ...

        Yes, yes, the USSR built buildings and schools, foolishly believing that these wild tribes could be dragged from the 14th century with a mighty jerk to the 20th century by schools alone. In the same way, inside the USSR itself: the peoples of Siberia and the Far North with a tribal way of life by 1980 had already built developed socialism :))

        goes with the emptiness that the Yankees leave behind.

        I don't know what the Yankees are leaving there, but they recently celebrated 245 years of independence. And the "great, mighty Soviet Union" built the "infrastructure" for the savages, and 2 years later covered himself with a huge copper basin.

        The exit of the USSR troops was like a parade, and the Americans fled like rats from there

        Bravo! We, kibalchish boys, are always white and fluffy, we are always like on a parade, we are like a pioneer (an example for all the guys); and the Yankees are bad boys, they are like rats, they are bastards and bastards, such and such, they did not build roads for barmaley.
        Guys agitators, you are funny in your perception of the world :))

        a lot of our veterans visit Afghanistan and meet with former enemies

        In my city, in the cemetery, there is a so-called honorable burial quarter. There is a grave of a guy in a marine uniform, the dates of his life - 1962-1982, the inscription - "Killed while fulfilling his international duty." And there are also many graves of old men - young, cheerful guys in military uniform with three stars on their shoulder straps - with dates of birth 1959-1960 and dates of death 1982-1983 ("To the beloved Kitty from a grieving wife"). There are many "your veterans" there. And you tell their "grieving spouses" your fables about "infrastructure": ((

        ... you obviously can't say anything about this ...
        1. 0
          29 July 2021 10: 36
          Quote: Xuli (o) Tebenado
          In my city, in the cemetery, there is a so-called honorable burial quarter. There is a grave of a guy in a marine uniform, the dates of his life are 1962-1982, the inscription - "Killed while fulfilling his international duty"

          What does this lyrics have to do with the topic of discussion? Do we have no veterans left ?? Did everyone end up in your cemetery ??? Any kid growing up in the garrison knows perfectly well where the burials of the fallen soldiers came from, but nevertheless, this does not prevent him from playing the war. And it makes no sense to tell "fables about infrastructure" to everyone in a row, I am not "Ogonyok" magazine and I do not paint geopolitics with a paint brush on a fence
  2. 0
    8 July 2021 10: 20
    In addition, Washington does not abandon its attempts to openly settle even closer to our country - in Kazakhstan, for example.

    Settle in the CSTO country? With the same success, Russia can try to settle in Scotland or Italy ... By impudence - the same! And China in Taiwan is easy!
    1. +2
      8 July 2021 12: 12
      This CSTO is a complete fiction.
      The former Russian Central Asia + Kazakhstan has long been tied economically to China. The "great smuggling route" passes through these territories from China to Russia.
  3. +4
    8 July 2021 10: 46
    The inglorious and hasty departure of the US military contingents and their allies from the territory of Afghanistan

    Don't be naive ... this is not an inglorious escape, but a well-calculated plan, the essence of which is precisely to arrange another territory of chaos and create the same problems for both the Russian Federation and the PRC ... If only they would just flee, they would bring the troops home, which would be logical. Instead, they are looking for bases for these very troops in the republics of Central Asia, and they don't want to leave the region itself ... It's very convenient for them to sit in our underbelly ... And they didn't care about losses ...
    1. 0
      8 July 2021 12: 23
      And they wanted to spit on losses ...

      They have an ambivalent attitude towards losses. On the one hand, they try to protect their servicemen, and on the other, they are "state property".
    2. -1
      9 July 2021 01: 08
      So they actually returned the troops home. The bases are only in their plans
  4. +3
    8 July 2021 14: 24
    Which of the heads of state of the region came to Moscow on May 9, and this speaks volumes.
    The Taliban still need to finally break the resistance of the current government, gain a foothold in Afghanistan itself, build a system of state power and administration, pursue its own personnel policy, unite the multi-tribal population under its leadership, feed and puzzle with work, there is a lot of other things to do. That is why they say that they do not pose any threat to neighboring states. The threat to neighboring states, if it comes, is from themselves, from the mass of problems solved by the authorities that make it impossible to preserve the existing power and predetermine mass activity and interest in radical movements. Against this background, the promise of the Russian Federation to use the 201st base to support the existing authorities looks somehow premature.
    Unlike the Russian Federation, the PRC is in no hurry and does not give any promises to anyone. They bought, for example, the largest copper deposit, but they are in no hurry to invest in its development because there were Sshasovites who declared the PRC their enemy. The Sshasovites left, the Taliban came - a reason for diplomatic activity and negotiations, everyone needs money, and the Taliban too. It is not in the interests of the Taliban to give up the goose that brings the golden eggs, and who pays is the one who determines the policy. They will wait until the Afghan get-together after the departure of the Sshasovites will not end and the winner will not be determined and will begin negotiations with him, and they will certainly not climb to break with force to establish their own order there.
  5. +2
    8 July 2021 14: 53
    The best solution would be to place on the border military bases of the Russian Federation that are in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, NOT entering Afghanistan! As educational scientific centers for training operators, centers for combat use, reconnaissance and attack drones and intensively train personnel and carry out concentrated work on the creation, updating of the fleet ... of these very different, so necessary devices for our army using training on barmaley as targets ...
    1. +1
      8 July 2021 15: 46
      Or it may be easier to mine the entire border, leaving a couple of checkpoints, and there is someone to look after and update
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      2. -4
        9 July 2021 01: 10
        Yeah, but you can also dig up and put up a fence, as the Ukrainians want))
    2. 0
      8 July 2021 21: 45
      so necessary devices for our army using training on barmaley as targets.

      So for this there is something like Syria. Otherwise, it will be too much training and barmaley targets.
  6. 0
    8 July 2021 20: 37
    The anthill was stirred up in the last century. They wanted to establish socialism in a country of deep feudalism. Good neighborly relations with the royal state did not suit. Everything is done there through money. Pay-go. The Chinese and I are a foreigner in the body of this country. The services for Tajiks in Afghanistan had to work. Iran does it for us. Tajiks in this country are 27%. And they are closer to Iran.
  7. +1
    8 July 2021 22: 17
    Where do we end up? "Letting go" the situation in Afghanistan, relying on "maybe it will be formed" neither Moscow nor Beijing can afford. Could things come to the point of the need to bring certain military contingents into this territory? Let's be realistic - more than. And just do not need "oohs" and "oohs", hysterics about "the danger of repeating the" Afghan break "of the USSR model"! Firstly, even then everything was far from being as disastrous as they tried to convince us later, and it could have been even more successful - if not for some strategic miscalculations of the country's leadership and the army. Secondly, the experience of the Syrian campaign convincingly proves that it is precisely these mistakes that Russia has realized and is not going to repeat.

    They cannot let it go, I agree.

    Let's be realistic we and China have no one to support in Afghanistan. feel

    It is the experience of Syria that shows that we do not repeat past mistakes for the second time.
    Today only the Taliban have a real military force in Afghanistan ...

    China and Russia will definitely not bring in another "president" and feed him at their own expense.
    In fact, at this stage, it is necessary to establish a dialogue with the Taliban, and it goes on.
    and for a long time.
  8. 0
    8 July 2021 23: 19
    The Taliban are the enemy of the Igil. But Daesh was fostered by the enemies of Russia. And now they are the main enemy. As well as their Saka parents.

    Taliban talks are already underway. In Doha, it seems. And now in Moscow. The Taliban are not Russia's ally. But it makes no sense artificially, with your own hands, to make him a mortal enemy. We simply have nothing to share with them.

    But to the beautiful pro-European rulers of Afgan - kirdyk. Not everyone will have time to escape ... Too quickly and almost without fighting, the Taliban takes power ...

  9. +1
    9 July 2021 07: 32
    The Americans, not giving a damn about the costs, took out and took out ISIS to Afghanistan .... By airplanes! From Syria. From Iraq.
    So we should be glad that their idea of ​​creating an army of scumbags by the Taliban is about to be "torn to shreds." And it is a crime to interfere with the Taliban in this.

  10. -1
    9 July 2021 11: 18
    ... the Russian and Chinese military sooner or later need to stand shoulder to shoulder not in exercises, but in a real combat situation, ...

    What for? Russia and China will never sign a military alliance agreement. They have absolutely no need to bind themselves for a long time in such a strongly changing environment.
    These two countries are the heads of future currency areas. Their interests in the future (and even now) overlap in many ways.
    In addition, the formation of such an alliance will greatly complicate the relations of both countries with the West, especially with the United States.
    Today, Xi is in power in China, and tomorrow? Where is the guarantee that the pro-Rothschild "Komsomol members" will not return to power again? And then what should we do with this alliance? China has the same problem.
    As long as Putin and Xi are in power, oral agreements are enough for them. Putin has established himself in foreign policy as a person strictly adhering to agreements. It cost him dearly, but now he gets bonuses from it: the leaders of other countries trust him.

    ...shoulder to shoulder...

    This is not very interesting for Russia. No one knows how the Chinese army will show itself in real combat conditions, including the PLA command. The history of China's military operations in the post-Stalin period is not at all impressive. Even in Syria, they ultimately refused to simply designate a military presence. And they were going to fit the aircraft carrier, some parts ... But, they changed their minds.
    So why should Russia help raise the military image of a country that is not an ally but a competitor to us in the economy and geopolitics? Did China recognize Crimea as Russian? Despite its history with Taiwan.
  11. +1
    12 July 2021 16: 18
    It's time to return to Afghanistan, but not repeat the mistakes of the old ... use our veteran internationalists as advisers ...
  12. 0
    15 July 2021 15: 21
    Russia does not need a military alliance with China; there is no scenario where China could help us. Moreover, it makes no sense for Russia to fit into the Chinese problems. We also do not need to give the Chinese army the opportunity to train ground forces in real combat conditions. There is still no backbone of combat veterans in China, no experience of war, and it is better to leave it that way.
  13. 0
    22 July 2021 10: 10
    The inglorious and hasty departure of the US military contingents and their allies from the territory of Afghanistan

    And the Soviet troops gloriously left Afghanistan?
  14. 0
    29 July 2021 10: 58
    Quote: Xuli (o) Tebenado
    Bravo! We, kibalchish boys, are always white and fluffy, we are always like on a parade, we are like a pioneer (an example for all the guys); and the Yankees are bad boys, they are like rats, they are bastards and bastards, such and such, they did not build roads for barmaley.
    Guys agitators, you are funny in your perception of the world :))

    Yes, we, kibalchish boys, we are. And you, dear, swarm on and continue to ignore the long-obvious things
    And the Afghans, by the way, are not barmaley at all, we have even more people living in similar conditions, it's just that Afghanistan stands at the intersection of ancient routes, and we have a huge part of the country where permafrost is just such an ass of the world, where even roads are impossible to build, in principle, their unpaved breaks through the ice every year ... Afghan, compared to Russia, still has greenhouse conditions ...