The period during which Ukraine will hold out in the event of a war with the Russian Federation has been named


If a war really broke out between Kiev and Moscow, it would not last long. This was announced by ex-Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov via video link during the Pulse talk show of the Ukrainian TV channel NewsOne.


The statesman named the alleged line during which, in his opinion, Ukraine could theoretically hold out in the event of a real armed confrontation with the Russian Federation.

Let us think soberly how long such a war would last if it were really real and the Russian armed forces took a real part in it. Two days, three, a week. Probably not more

- said the former head of government.

Azarov is sure that the current President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky and his predecessor Petro Poroshenko are deliberately "procrastinating" the topic of the war with Russia. They talk about the "aggression" of the Russian Federation to justify their political miscalculations and huge economic problems in Ukraine.

The politician explained that the Ukrainian authorities have pledged a military levy (a 1,5% tax introduced in 2014 to finance the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which is levied on the income of individuals in the country) in the draft budgets until 2024. Therefore, we can assume that all these years Kiev's rhetoric will not change. Azarov believes that the plight of Ukraine is directly related to the coup d'etat, as a result of which the United States brought to power its incompetent puppets, who absolutely do not understand the economy.

  • Photos used: Ministry of Defense of Ukraine
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  1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 10 June 2021 20: 42
    0
    ... theoretically hold out for Ukraine
    ESOs will always give money for the murder of Russians ...
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 11 June 2021 07: 55
      0
      and there will always be a "Khmelnitsky" ready to take by storm for "sabel" from the owner of "Smolensk"
  2. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 June 2021 21: 23
    +8
    The General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is asked a question:
    - Why are you shooting at Donbass?
    - Because the Russian army is located there.
    - Why don't you shoot at Crimea?
    - Because the Russian army is really located there.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 10 June 2021 22: 10
    -14%
    How the media wants that Blood.
    Ukrainians then once again did not come to the war, as the media did not relish the plans ...
    So now they dream on the news weekly ...
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 June 2021 22: 27
      +10
      Ukrainians once again did not come to the war

      Monya is calling from Israel to a friend in Odessa:
      - Senya, what is going on there?
      - Yes, Ukraine is fighting a little with Russia ...
      - So what, there are losses?
      - Yes, there is ... Ukraine has lost the Crimea, a couple of regions, several planes and helicopters, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, various weapons there, it’s decent for the people and ...
      - And what did the Russians lose?
      - Monya, you won’t believe it, the Russians haven’t come to the war yet ...
    2. Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 11 June 2021 07: 32
      +2
      - the Ukrainians once again did not come to the war ...
      Strange, they have been fighting for seven years already, in their own words, and have not appeared.
      How is it at all ???
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 11 June 2021 08: 34
      +3
      Ukrainians then once again did not come to the war, as the media did not relish the plans ...
      So now they dream on the news weekly ...

      They are still busy on the other front. The battle is in full swing there.
      Crimea is in a water blockade, the birds dry up on the fly, Putin sobs pitifully in the corner, the damned Akhresors are still holding on, but Donbass will be returned for a bucket of water. But for the warriors of the world, it is unacceptable to trade in their homeland, a little more davanut and Crimea will be taken away. David Arakhamia runs in circles and puts click marks on the Kremlin Goliath. The rest are practicing throwing their caps into the air. In general, by Monday, the main forces will be free and then ...
      https://inosmi.ru/economic/20210610/249896867.html
  4. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) 10 June 2021 23: 30
    +9
    Ukrainians should be aware that NATO bases near their homes could, if escalated, become targets for a Russian retaliatory strike.

    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 11 June 2021 08: 36
      0
      This is your weekend routine. On weekdays instead of lunch feat
  5. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 08: 05
    +4
    - Hello, is this a boiler room?
    - Well, how can I tell you ... This is the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine!
  6. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 08: 06
    -6
    It is much more interesting to find out the possible losses of the sides in manpower. But what is certain that Russia suffers much greater losses without a war, but already on the financial front. The losses due to the sanctions are estimated at approx. $ 100 billion. https://topwar.ru/167602-geopoliticheskie-sankcii-ih-opasnost-uzhe-pritupilas-v-soznanii-ljudej.html
    Although in 2014, having the worst army, Ukraine held out for a long time. Why neither Mariupol nor Kharkov were captured then. And the battles for Donetsk airport did not last a week.
    I like a good expression.

    You can conquer power with bayonets, but you won't be able to sit on them.

    One can only theorize about the war. In reality, there is not one front for one state to fight against another. It's very expensive and doesn't make sense. It is necessary to understand this for a long time.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 11 June 2021 08: 39
      +5
      One can only theorize about the war. In reality, there is not one front for one state to fight against another. It's very expensive and doesn't make sense. It is necessary to understand this for a long time.

      With your army, there are no other options. The orchestra was reduced, leaving the Minister of Defense and a prominent military theorist with a cleaning lady. Well, and a civilian accountant, Russian losses from sanctions to count and dream of reparations.
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 14: 33
        -6
        Quote: 123
        With your army, there are no other options.

        And you do not get distracted from the topic. Don't troll. Estonia is part of NATO. That is why we do not have Narva NR.
    2. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 08: 45
      +3
      Announcement of the Düsseldorf Chamber of Commerce

      Die Russland-Sanktionen kosten die deutsche Wirtschaft jedes Jahr 5,45 Milliarden Euro an BIP-Wachstum. Für die Europäische Union summieren sich die Kosten auf 21 Milliarden Euro

      The losses of the European Union are estimated at 21 billion euros per year, of which Germany's losses are at 5.45 billion euros per year. You can multiply by 7 years and get the total.
      Nobody even undertakes to calculate the losses of Ukraine.
      Your link to topwar is simply irrelevant and ridiculous. Russia suffered economic losses. But she survived, and money is not blood. And nobody was going to take Mariupol and Kharkiv. But one phrase pleases me. So you admit that Russia is not waging a war. This is already progress.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 08: 53
        +3
        Necessary addition. I completely missed it. Your phrase

        You can conquer power with bayonets, but you won't be able to sit on them.

        Is this about Ukraine?
      2. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 14: 39
        -6
        Quote: Bakht
        The losses of the European Union are estimated at 21 billion euros per year, of which Germany's losses are at 5.45 billion euros per year.

        Losses of the EU and losses of the Russian Federation. Can this be compared? Russia's GDP is about $ 1,5 trillion. EU GDP 18.
        For the best activation of the imagination, imagine. EU is 27 men RF is one. All hit the enemy once. Each of the EU muzhiks receives musal once. And a man from the Russian Federation receives 27 times on musal.
        It would still be nice to compare the growth of states. In the Russian Federation, this is at most 1,5% - 2% per year. EU 2,5% - 3%. USA is generally higher than 3x
        Who hurts more?
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 15: 29
          +4
          Sicker than the EU. Comparison by GDP has long been out of date and incorrect. For example, in the Chinese economic development plans, there is no GDP at all. Non-market, exaggerated indicator.
          For example. Many in Russia do NOT want the sanctions lifted. In Europe, they only talk about losses.
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 15: 33
            -8
            Quote: Bakht
            Sicker than the EU. Comparison by GDP has long been out of date and incorrect. For example, in the Chinese economic development plans, there is no GDP at all. Non-market, exaggerated indicator.
            For example. Many in Russia do NOT want the sanctions lifted. In Europe, they only talk about losses.

            I personally do not see confirmation of your words. Just comparing the standard of living in Russia and Estonia, for example. RF looks more modest.
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 16: 45
              +2
              Not everything is measured by sausage
              1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 18: 58
                -6
                Quote: Bakht
                Not everything is measured by sausage

                This is if you don't have a family or don't give a damn about it. If you are also an orphan.
                It is important what kind of ideal you want to defend.
                The ideal can be criminal.
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 18: 59
                  +5
                  Lord, another guardian of forty varieties of sausage.
                  Keep in mind that sausage can also be criminal.
                  1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                    Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 19: 49
                    -4
                    Quote: Bakht
                    Lord, another guardian of forty varieties of sausage.
                    Keep in mind that sausage can also be criminal.

                    You just have nothing to answer. And you definitely love sausage.
                2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 19: 02
                  +5
                  In order not to argue for a long time.
                  On this topic. The APU will hold out against the Russian army for a couple of days. I don't even give a week. All other chatter is not worth a damn. Nobody is harnessing for Ukraine. The neighbors can't wait to see if they start to harass her. Only Russia can preserve statehood in Ukraine. Don't even count on anyone else.
                  The same applies to Belarus. A fresh example - the statehood of Armenia is supported only by Russia.
                  To date, no other options are visible.
                3. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 19: 20
                  +4
                  So, sir. You cited a successful Estonia as an example. Let's be glad for the successful Estonian citizens. We will not count non-citizens, who are more than 5%. This is not a fascist state.
                  So the EU subsidies to the successful Estonian economy amount to more than 1 billion euros per year. Program until 2027. The population of Estonia is just over 1 million people.
                  We divide one by the other and we get 1000 euros per Estonian snout per year. You can run to the store for sausage.

                  But this is Estonia with 1 million people. There is no need to talk about Ukraine. 30 or 40 million people will not be fed by the EU.
                  1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                    Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 20: 08
                    -7
                    Quote: Bakht
                    You cited a successful Estonia as an example.

                    You made a lot of inaccuracies. The population of Estonia is 1, not a million. If for you 330 thousand. this is a trifle, then I wish you an accountant when calculating the salary of the same.

                    In the next budgetary period of the European Union 2021-2027, the contributions paid by Estonia may increase from 200 to 320 million euros, while the amount of agricultural subsidies and funds from the cohesion funds received from Brussels may decrease from 1,03 and 2,32% of GNP to 0,79 and 1,39% of GNP, respectively.

                    As you can see, subsidies will be reduced. And strange as it may seem, they are not going to the projer, but to the infrastructure. The EU is pulling new ones up to the EU level. Is that even clear?
                    But in the EU, EVERYONE receives subsidies.
                    Or take Crimea. Crimea is a PARASIT compared to Estonia. 73% of the budget is CENTER. The EU is a single structure, a new USSR. But much smarter. They want to go there, but they do not flee as it was from the USSR.
                    So you should be politely silent. And more often in the mirror. IN THE MIRROR!
                    In order to say something to the enemy and know more, and not to make copies from Solovyov.
                    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 20: 41
                      +6
                      You know how to use Wikipedia. I wrote "a little over a million." But the subsidies are just over 1 billion a year. Basically, I haven't watched TV for several years. So I don’t know Solovyov.
                      But you would carefully read the same Wikipedia. Estonia is a showcase for the European Union and is being helped. There is no developed industry there. And I have never considered the service sector and tourism a sign of a developed state. And no one in the world thinks so.
                      So apply your advice about the mirror to yourself.
                      You are straight to the EU. On subsidies like Poland, Estonia. But there you are unlikely to be given the status of a citizen.
                      As for the Crimea, I do not specifically look at the calculations. People are more important. They are at home and can speak freely. This is the main thing. Subsidized region? So in Russia there are many subsidized regions. To do this, you need to equip your country and not cry here on the forum.
                      And I know the enemy well enough. Trust the man who has traveled half the world and visited dozens of countries.
                      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                        Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 21: 29
                        -6
                        Quote: Bakht
                        You know how to use Wikipedia. I wrote "a little over a million"

                        For you, 300. Is it a little bit error in a quarter of the country's population? For me, the loss of the population of the Russian Federation in 000 is 2020 horror. and you a little.
                        And the subsidies are less than a billion. Would be even less, but a program to recover from Covid was adopted. Threw it to EVERYONE.
                        I don’t want to offend you. Estonia compared to the Russian Federation bug. But if you are interested, then they will tell you everything on the shelves.



                        You will not find a single person in Estonia who has "Subsidy" in the salary column
                        This money is used to build roads, renovate schools and universities, renewable energy sources, etc., etc. Everything that has become rotten since the days of the USSR. In short, OF (fixed assets).
                        In the Russian Federation, by the way, their wear is off scale. 50%, for housing and communal services 70 - 80 %%. Therefore, there are often accidents at heating systems.
                      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 21: 44
                        +4
                        And who spoke about subsidies? This all goes to your favorite GDPR. That is, in salaries too.
                        Not only Estonia is supported. Poland and other countries are also supported. That is, these countries sit on subsidies.
                        For me something else is more important. I don't watch YouTube videos. You reproach me with Solovyov, but you yourself give links to someone unknown.
                        Yes, in Europe and in Estonia in particular, salaries are higher. But the country still lives on subsidies. Previously from Moscow, now from Brussels.
                        Besides, I also read about economics. Everything related to GDP and the service sector can be safely written off. I told you that GDP is not an indicator of a country's development. Other factors are more important. At one time, I refused a salary higher than the existing one, because with a lower salary I had more guarantees. And he made the right decision.
                        Economics is a strange science. Monetarists have perverted many concepts.
                        I repeat again. Russia is emerging from a 20-year nightmare of the country's collapse. It is the collapse. The level of salaries and pensions in Russia is comparable to that in Ukraine. So what? Where is it better for a Russian to live? In Ukraine, in Estonia (where he has no rights) or in Russia. If you have a couple of millions to spare, you can move to Estonia.

                        As always, they switched from jokes about the Armed Forces to the economy. But under no circumstances would I compare Estonia or Ukraine with Russia. Chickens are counted in the fall. What is such a general crisis of capitalism read? So now the general crisis of capitalism is in full swing. If they get out of it, good. But history shows that they can get out only by war.
                      3. Vladest Offline Vladest
                        Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 21: 56
                        -6
                        Quote: Bakht
                        ala. The level of salaries and pensions in Russia is comparable to that in Ukraine. So what? Where is it better for a Russian to live? In Ukraine, in Estonia (where he has no rights) or in Russia.

                        The only thing is that there is no possibility in elections to the supreme authorities.
                        I am not a young guy and I remember how the USA and Capitalism were buried forty years ago.
                        I see no sign. Capitalism is very flexible. If you compare it modern and the one that was under Marx, then the difference is very noticeable. And Marx would be out now.
                        And you are wrong about the GDP. Or tell us how the wealth of the state is measured now. I personally have not heard about this. GDP only.
                      4. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 22: 04
                        +4
                        Is a visa an indicator of freedom? Hear it for the first time. Is being a non-citizen a plus?
                        Marx is being studied 40 years ago and now in serious institutions in the West. The wealth of the state has always been measured by its industry. Not agriculture, not servants in restaurants and hairdressers. Specifically by industry. What the monetarists have been doing with the world economy over the past 50 years - for this you have to be shot by hanging. There are other methods of state development. And they have been known for 300 years already. But there is no such thing as GDP.

                        Listen, what does Estonia, Poland, Brussels or the Martians have to do with it? I believe that the status of "non-citizen" is a direct indication of Nazism. I believe that the ban on language and culture is direct Nazism. Therefore, for me, these countries cannot be an example to follow. And in relation to this article, Ukraine will face an inglorious end. Despite any of their salaries and visas.
  7. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 June 2021 19: 14
    +3
    Well, if it's men, and if there are several drunks, drug addicts and glamorous stylists, not like everyone else, then it's not so scary. One man will write them out for all of them. By the way, if I were in the place of people like you, I would think about what will be left of your Estonians if the NATO troops stationed at your place jump on the Russian Federation? !!!
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 20: 21
      -7
      Quote: Sapsan136
      Well, this is if there are men, but if there are several drunks, drug addicts

      Are you sure that there are fewer of them in the Russian Federation?
      As far as I know, with all the efforts in the United States, for example. premeditated murders per 100 population less than in the Russian Federation is much lower. RF is 000, USA is 8,21.
      Estonia 2,2.
      But we suddenly have more drunks and drug addicts!
      When you climb on the forum mat. do you cook part?
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 June 2021 20: 25
        +3
        I'm sure it's enough to compare the commercials of the armies of the Russian Federation and the United States ... In the Russian Federation there are men from the Airborne Forces, in the United States something female raised by two mentally ill women of unconventional orientation serving in the US Air Defense ... We do not recruit mentally ill people into the army, but in the United States for a long time and they take them .. As for the crime, in the USA there are areas where their police are afraid to go, in the Russian Federation there is no such thing ... I know well, you consume more alcohol than the Russian Federation, and women with the most beaten muzzle by their husbands live in a prim UK...
        1. Vladest Offline Vladest
          Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 21: 34
          -6
          I have UN statistics. Where is yours, or the United States in Afghanistan suffered greater losses than the USSR?
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 June 2021 21: 53
            +3
            The UN is the parrot of the United States, and the United States is to believe, not to respect itself, because the Yankees lie as they breathe
  8. magma Offline magma
    magma (Tatyana) 12 June 2021 10: 37
    +1
    The EU is 27 men ... Every EU guy ...

    Do you think you are men? lol I am afraid that you have fundamentally misidentified your place in the food chain.

    Here are your so-called "men" -


    From this and "dance" in your calculations ...
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  • Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 11 June 2021 19: 33
    +3
    Quote: Vladest
    It is much more interesting to find out the possible losses of the sides in manpower

    About the losses of Ukraine from June 2014 to July 2018, according to the report of the National Security Service of Germany, Chancellor A. Merkel was reported on the irrecoverable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the amount of 70 thousand people, and Mariupol was not taken, although there were no Ukrainian troops there, only from commercial considerations, because. there at that time there were "ties" of both our and Ukrainian oligarchs.
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 20: 38
      -5
      Quote: Valentine
      and Mariupol was not taken, although there were already no Ukrainian troops there, only for commercial reasons, because

      Some sort of grating between the oligarchs sounds very convincing. Then the bill for the water in the Crimea to them. Or now the Russian Federation is not bothered about the "land corridor" to the Crimea. And then there are some oligarchs whom Putin did not unscrew for such a proser Bosko.
      70K is still an exaggeration.
      And what were the assessments of the opposing side, or only the Ukrainian Armed Forces suffered losses? Or is it only the losses of the Armed Forces that matter to you, and they buried their own soldiers quietly like unknown soldiers?

      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 June 2021 22: 04
        +2
        We know how many of your fellow citizens died in the Caucasus and are now dying in the Donbass, but it is more pleasant for you to trust your official authorities ... If you only knew what they were doing with your snipers in the Caucasus ... I remember their beastly howl of death ... They loved Russian soldiers shoot at genetics ... well, they received a response from the whole breadth of the Russian soul ...
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  • sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 11 June 2021 09: 00
    +3
    Quote: Vladest
    It is much more interesting to find out the possible losses of the sides in manpower. But what is certain that Russia suffers much greater losses without a war, but already on the financial front. The losses due to the sanctions are estimated at approx. $ 100 billion. https://topwar.ru/167602-geopoliticheskie-sankcii-ih-opasnost-uzhe-pritupilas-v-soznanii-ljudej.html
    Although in 2014, having the worst army, Ukraine held out for a long time. Why neither Mariupol nor Kharkov were captured then. And the battles for Donetsk airport did not last a week.
    I like a good expression.
    "You can conquer power with bayonets, but you won't be able to sit on them."
    One can only theorize about the war. In reality, there is not one front for one state to fight against another. It's very expensive and doesn't make sense. It is necessary to understand this for a long time.

    There is no need to pass off wishful thinking and exaggerate what actually does not exist, the role of Western sanctions is negligible, they even benefited Russia to some extent, much of what was not previously produced in Russia and was fully purchased abroad, is now produced, or will soon be produced in Russia, and this is the main plus, all this thanks to these very Western sanctions, agriculture and mechanical engineering have gradually been restored and have already begun to export agricultural products and agricultural machinery in increasing volumes, in contrast to Ukraine, where everything is still only degrading and falling into decay, and all this is under the strict guidance of pro-Western clowns led by the comedian Zelensky !!!
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 14: 45
      -6
      Quote: sgrabik
      There is no need to pass off wishful thinking and exaggerate what actually does not exist, the role of Western sanctions is negligible, they even benefited Russia to some extent

      The data is not mine, but RBC. 100 billion. Is it "negligible"?
      Something is not visible Putin's declared growth of the Russian Federation above the world average.
      There is stagnation in the Russian Federation. That's when Putin's dreams come true then it will be possible to talk about some kind of progress in the Russian Federation.
      Russia is fatally lagging behind its "colleagues" in the West.
  • GRF Offline GRF
    GRF 11 June 2021 11: 52
    +3
    Ukraine is as invincible as the elusive Joe ...
  • Gosha Smirnov Offline Gosha Smirnov
    Gosha Smirnov (Smirnov) 11 June 2021 12: 51
    +1
    Well, this is all from the area of ​​the grandfather's wishlist, who is not strong in military affairs and has been removed from the real information in the Armed Forces for at least 7 years. I can quite agree that it will not last long itself, without the help of tizvne, although in 2014 it would actually be actually a walk across Ukraine for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Now it will be an order of magnitude more difficult, and 30-50 thousand sufficiently combat-ready Ukrainians will be able to drink blood too. And to defeat the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is one thing, but then it will be very difficult to keep and feed the Ukrainians. what to do, given that the West will provide tremendous assistance in the partisan and so on. then another fight with Russia.
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 14: 50
      -5
      Quote: Gosha Smirnov
      and 30-50 thousand fairly combat-ready Ukrainian military

      We also forgot the nationalist formations. And these are the most motivated, unlike the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, who are not known for what to drive to war.
      But all the same, all these are fantasies, the Russian Federation will not stick its way into Ukraine. It will definitely not be forgiven.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 15: 31
        +5
        Who won't forgive? Yes, everyone is only dreaming of throwing off this ballast, Ukraine. The problem is that nobody takes it.
        1. Vladest Offline Vladest
          Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 19: 21
          -6
          Quote: Bakht
          Yes, everyone is only dreaming of throwing off this ballast, Ukraine.

          You are not right. For Putin, this means leaving the Russians there. Maybe he doesn't care about them personally. But he is more afraid of losing his credibility as a defender of the Russians. This should be clear to you.
          And for the United States, Ukraine is an excellent reason to spread rot on the Russian Federation as an aggressor and a renegade state.
          And if you look at our Sharik. Then all states are happy to grab a piece from a neighbor.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 19: 24
            +5
            Don't talk nonsense. What territory did Russia seize? Crimea does not have to be Ukrainian. And remember for the rest of your life. If a person is denied the right to their native language, then this person will go home. a place with the land on which he lives.
            A referendum was held in Crimea. And if you run it again, you will get the same result.
            Until 2014, the issue of Crimea was not even raised. Consider why it surfaced in 2014. And then the fog in my head will clear up. May be.
            1. Vladest Offline Vladest
              Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 22: 04
              -7
              Quote: Bakht
              Don't talk nonsense. What territory did Russia seize? Crimea should not be Ukrainian

              What else shouldn't be? Or, then, explain why the world does not recognize this right to Crimea?
              Or then admit that all the captures of Hitler in the 30s were legitimate.
              Austria doesn't have to be Austrian.
              Czechoslovakia shouldn't be ....
              Poland doesn't have to be Polish.
              THE USSR ?
              All you have to do is to answer "And we Pohhh!".
              And why have you still not taken the LDNR, or are there not the same Russians as in the Crimea or New Russia is not the business of Catherine II and Potemkin, or are there Russians of the wrong sort?
              New Russia is even more Russian than Crimea. In Crimea, there are indigenous Tatars who had statehood there.
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 June 2021 22: 09
                +4
                You don’t write to me for Tatars in Crimea, there are no Tatars, these are Crimean Turks, the same as in Abkhazia and the indigenous population of Crimea, they are not and have no relation to the Kazan Tatars, I know this probably better than you, because to the Kazan I have a direct relationship with the Tatars. As for the World, he does not give a damn about whose Crimea, and the serfs of the United States, this is not the whole World, but a smaller part of it, and believe me, is far from the best. Most foreigners are not interested in the question of the nationality of Crimea at all, and if they are, then only in the question - Which country should be issued a visa to go to Crimea ...
                1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                  Vladest (Vladimir) 12 June 2021 00: 15
                  -4
                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  Don't write to me for Tatars in Crimea

                  I still taught history at school. And I wish you the same. To study.
                  1. Antidote Offline Antidote
                    Antidote (Vladislav) 12 June 2021 10: 02
                    +2
                    I advise you to read something smarter than Estonian textbooks, and at the same time specifically study the issue of the mass transition to the side of the Nazis and the desertion of the so-called Crimean Tatars ... And the little box just opens. At that time, Turkey was planning to start a war against the USSR on the side of Hitler, so the Crimean Turks (whom you consider to be Crimean Tatars) and hurried in advance, going to fight in the Turkish army against the Soviets.
              2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 June 2021 22: 12
                +5
                Where have you taken. What does Hitler have to do with it? Russia did not take Novorossiya because it considers it a part of Ukraine. While counting. It's clear. Crimea was taken because it did not originally belong to Ukraine. But there were other reasons as well. I personally can only guess. BUT Crimea had to go to Russia. Everyone in the West knew about it. In particular, the same Saakashvili said back in December 2013 that Ukraine would lose Crimea.
                Crimea is not recognized as Russian? Politics. Anyway, this question should disappear soon. But I still find it funny about Crimea. What kind of statehood did the Tatars have there? When? Or will we get the old cards? I like the 1914 model of the Russian Empire. Maybe we will consider it carefully?

                I'll explain it to you again. Especially for those who do not understand anything in Ukraine. The statehood of Ukraine is possible only with the support of Russia. If it does not exist, then there will be no Ukraine either. By the way, if you are Russian living in Ukraine, then you are probably no longer an indigenous people. You will also become a "non-citizen".
                I remember back in the days of Yushchenko, in a dispute with a Jew from Kiev, I prophesied that Crimea would leave. And it would be nice for him to learn the "Turkish March" before performing "The Farewell of the Slav".
                1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                  Vladest (Vladimir) 12 June 2021 00: 19
                  -5
                  Quote: Bakht
                  Statehood of Ukraine is possible only with the support of Russia

                  According to my data and knowledge, it is the support of the Russian Federation that ends in devastation and poverty.
                  Or tell me where there is prosperity thanks to the Russian Federation?
                  The Finns fought back during VM2, and there is one of the richest countries. Estonia is 30 years old without and is also already ahead of the Russian Federation in terms of living standards.
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 June 2021 01: 44
                    +3
                    So far, all these 30 years Russia has supported the Baltics and Ukraine and all the post-Soviet republics. Now the trough ends. Do you know why Ukraine and the Baltic states are so worried about transit?
                    And then you are mixing sausage and politics again. I was not talking about prosperity, but about statehood.
      2. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 11 June 2021 19: 44
        +4
        And your natsbats will remain in Galicia, which will go to Poland, and the Poles will teach you the freedom to love, they have not yet forgotten the bandera's rampant on their lands during WWII, and they will never forgive you.
      3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 June 2021 22: 00
        +2
        I saw Banderites in shit and snot captured. They have the same motivation - you dream of the United States defeating the Russian Federation, and you, like your grandfathers behind the Wehrmacht, would follow the US Army and (fight) with the civilian population, because the soldiers from you are like from the contents of a chamber pot bullet, and marauders, rapists, sadists, and murderers are first class.
    2. Antidote Offline Antidote
      Antidote (Vladislav) 12 June 2021 09: 58
      0
      Who said that someone is going to feed you ?! The Russian army was able to defeat the enemy in the mountains, after which the staggering of Bandera bandit formations in the fields of Ukraine is not such a big problem for the Russian army.
  • George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) 11 June 2021 14: 49
    +1
    Yesterday's words of VVP about Nazism in Ukraine and the threat of a powerful blow to the Russian world acquire a special SENSE - VVP does not just talk like that!
    I took his words as a WARNING for ukronatsistov. And the story "08.08.08" clearly demonstrates that Putin does not throw words to the wind.
    Zelensky needs to think hard, otherwise the punishment will be terrible and instantaneous - he won't even have time ...
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 15: 38
      -8
      Quote: George W. Bush - Medium
      I took his words as a WARNING for the people and ukronatsistov. And the story "08.08.08" clearly demonstrates that Putin does not throw words to the wind.

      According to my observations, only to the wind.
      For example, here



      or here



      Need more ?
      1. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) 13 June 2021 10: 23
        0
        According to my observations, you are a professional liar and provocateur.
        You have lost, you will not be there, and this is good and pleasant.
        So it is necessary.
    2. Antidote Offline Antidote
      Antidote (Vladislav) 12 June 2021 10: 06
      +3
      Unfortunately, Putin then did not hang Saakashvili on the first bitch, so all these Poroshenko will become impudent today
  • Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 19: 14
    -6
    For information . USA against Hussein "Iraqi Freedom" As an example for analysis. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA
    The invasion army is 309 people. Loss approx. eight thousand US and allies.
    Iraq's population is 10 million less than in Ukraine and there are no forests.
    The success of the space reconnaissance operation. They saw Hussein's columns still far on the way.
    By the way, the Russian Federation still has only optics in space. There are no locators.
    In which case, the United States will help the Ukrainians with its space. They have all-weather locators in orbit.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 June 2021 20: 19
      +3
      You would have remembered the US attack on Grenada ... And even Iraq fired at Israel with its antediluvian Scud missiles, from the times of Khrushchev, and not all the vaunted American air defense of Israel could intercept ... Russia is not Iraq, we have better Scud missiles and there are more of them , so if you want to get a burial mound, such as the one under which the entire Royal Army of Hungary lies in the Voronezh region of the Russian Federation, you can continue to hound in the Russian Federation ...
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 12 June 2021 00: 22
        -7
        Quote: Sapsan136
        Voronezh region of the Russian Federation lies the entire Royal Army of Hungary,

        Did she die in your memory?)))
        1. Antidote Offline Antidote
          Antidote (Vladislav) 12 June 2021 10: 05
          +2
          Do you think that today your Estonian army will hold out longer than the Hungarian army did then, or are you counting on the victory parade of the Estonian army on Red Square ?!
    2. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 June 2021 01: 46
      +2
      What a naive dream. The states will help us. "The Cardinal and the Grocer".