Three reasons why Russia needs an updated Buran-2


In Russia, work has begun on an updated version of the Soviet "Buran" for servicing orbital stations with it. It sounds very expensive, and it becomes incomprehensible, but what will then be the future fate of other promising programs of Roscosmos, for example, the reusable spacecraft Orel? Does our country need Buran-2 at all, especially in conditions of constant sequestration of the budget of the space industry? What is this, another useless and harmful "projection", or, on the contrary, a step in the right direction?


Olga Sokolova, General Director of the NGO Molniya, said that this is not a joke:

Over the past year, we have made very serious progress in terms of developing a new civil aerospace complex. Up to this point, there were some separate developments, but there was no clear task. Now the task has been set and the development of a civilian reusable complex with an orbital aircraft is in full swing.

And what kind of task is this, and why is the head of the structural unit of the defense concern Kalashnikov so pressing on the civilian nature of the project? Let's figure it out.

Space Carrier


Let's take into account the geopolitical background against which work on a modern analogue of Buran has been resumed. One of the main News In recent months, this is a fundamental decision of the Russian leadership to withdraw from the International Space Station project. That one has practically served its purpose, and with its further operation, the lump of technical problems will continue to grow. At the same time, a new trend is the creation by the leading powers of their own "gates to space". China is continuously progressing in development Technology construction of orbital stations. The United States, together with its closest allies, are designing a near-lunar station visited, which will serve as a springboard for the development of an earth satellite and will become a transshipment base for flights to Mars and the asteroid belt. Albeit with a significant delay, but Russia also went by the way of opening its own national orbital station.

And then a lot of problems arise. Its first module will be launched in four years, and the Russian station will gradually begin to be assembled in orbit. But what are we going to fly there? The question may seem a little strange for a country that served as the main "cab" for the ISS. Roscosmos has its own "Soyuz", a proven and reliable one, but the head of the state corporation Rogozin himself recognized the endless modernization of old equipment as destructive for the development of technologies. There is also a modern design of the reusable spacecraft "Eagle". However, it was designed for long-distance flights to the Moon and its use for the needs of the national space station would be too expensive and ineffective. According to Dmitry Olegovich himself, Russia needs a reusable winged manned ship, similar to the Soviet Buran, capable of landing on the runway:

I set this task to our engineers. The Energia Corporation and other teams will now offer such options for space technology.

It is not surprising that the technical solutions were found at the NGO Molniya, which in the Soviet period was engaged in the development of Buran. But wouldn't it be expensive for the sake of periodic flights to the national orbital station to revive a huge amount of half-forgotten technologies and lost production? The industry of an entire superpower worked for the Soviet Shuttle. Is the modern Russian Federation capable of such ambitious tasks, if we take into account the constant sequestration of budget expenditures? Or is it still worth choosing simpler solutions?

Air start


Let us remind you that Buran was launched into orbit by an Energia super-heavy launch vehicle. We have nothing of the kind now and is not expected in the foreseeable future. But, apparently, this time Roscosmos may take a different path. Back in 2012, NPO Molniya resumed work on aerospace systems designed for suborbital flights. It is about the "air launch" technology.

The idea is not at all new, it was once taken up in the USSR and in the West, but it is still very relevant. The advantages of this technology include the ability to save on the construction of expensive infrastructure, such as cosmodromes, the environmental friendliness of the fuel used by the carrier aircraft, as well as the greater energy efficiency of the system, because the spacecraft overcomes the low dense layer of the atmosphere without spending fuel. The disadvantages of the "air launch" include the limitation on the carrying capacity of heavy aircraft: An-225 lifted 247 tons, An-124 - 120 tons. In our reality, you can forget about the Ukrainian "Mriya" and do something only with "Ruslan". The math is simple: a rocket capable of placing up to 2 tons of payload into orbit itself weighs from 100 to 200 tons. As a result, satellites can be displayed in this way, of course, but there are simpler methods that everyone prefers to use.

But the launch weight of the Soviet "Buran" reached 105 tons, that is, the ship could fit on the "hump" of a heavy aircraft, and it itself is a useful load. If you look at the parameters of the project from NPO Molniya, it follows from them that the winged spacecraft should start from a carrier aircraft, enter orbit, reaching an altitude of 105-120 kilometers, and then independently land on the airfield. It looks quite realistic and is no longer as expensive as if you had to create a super-heavy launch vehicle. Still, is it worth throwing so much money into a civilian project?

Our answer is X-37B


If you remember, we are in detail told about the American mini-shuttle to the X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle (OTV) and its possible purpose. If desired by the Pentagon, this dual-purpose spacecraft from a "research" can turn into a space fighter, destroying military and reconnaissance satellites and space stations of the enemy, as well as producing orbital bombardment of the earth's surface with thermonuclear bombs. Then we wondered what would be more rational: to build an expensive anti-space defense system over a huge country, or to create a symmetrical space threat for a potential aggressor?

Perhaps we were right in our reasoning, and "Buran-2" will also be a dual-use project. At the same time, Roscosmos is even going one step ahead of the United States. Recall that among the problems standing in the way of the creation of a full-fledged orbital bomber by the Pentagon, we pointed out the relatively modest size of the X-37B, which can fit no more than three thermonuclear bombs with a body kit, and made the assumption that in the future the Americans will go by increasing the size of orbital UAVs, making them no longer "mini", but full-fledged "Shuttles" capable of years conduct combat patrols offline. Apparently, the Russian "Buran-2" will immediately be full-size, with a spacious cargo compartment.

Well, if everything really is that way, then in the future, real "star wars" can begin in near-earth space, when space UAVs of the opposing ones will maneuver, track down and try to destroy each other.
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 4 June 2021 13: 00
    +5
    we indicated the relatively modest dimensions of the X-37B, which can fit no more than three thermonuclear bombs with a body kit

    As far as I remember, the X-37 is produced in two versions, they have different carrying capacities. If I am not mistaken, we have built 3 of both. In total, in total they can all lift 27 warheads into orbit.

    American spacecraft X-37 can carry up to six nuclear warheads, said Yan Novikov, general director of the Almaz-Antey VKO concern

    https://ria.ru/20210522/x-37-1733467460.html

    Well, if everything really is that way, then in the future, real "star wars" can begin in near-earth space, when space UAVs of the opposing ones will maneuver, track down and try to destroy each other.

    Everything leads to what to do, we have no choice. The United States is striving hard to militarize outer space. The expression "American military" has not lost its relevance.
  2. marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) 4 June 2021 13: 41
    -11%
    "Why does the Cow need a saddle?" People all over Russia live in trailers and wooden houses and give them Buran !! ??
    Jews at the expense of ordinary Russians are exploring space !!!!!
    1. Old Skeptic Offline Old Skeptic
      Old Skeptic (Old Skeptic) 4 June 2021 14: 30
      +5
      When was the last time you were in Russia? Never?

      We have wagons, I do not argue. But gaster dzhamshuts mostly live in them.

      For yours, perhaps at the expense of space exploration?
      Simple rr-oo-shining - damn it.
      1. marciz Offline marciz
        marciz (Stas) 4 June 2021 16: 21
        -3
        Well, ok build Burana !!!!
        1. Old Skeptic Offline Old Skeptic
          Old Skeptic (Old Skeptic) 4 June 2021 18: 54
          +1
          You are like that ...,
          On Saturdays, or what?

          Buran, this is the 80s, now they will build something else.
          1. marciz Offline marciz
            marciz (Stas) 4 June 2021 22: 48
            0
            Well, as far as I remember, he never came in handy))) there was no pancake order as always)))
        2. SemVale Offline SemVale
          SemVale (Vale) 4 June 2021 22: 38
          -3
          So already ..... The phrase about the batuda was realized in a strange way.

        3. Buran can be taken as a basis, but now you can do something more perfect
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    3. Strange war Offline Strange war
      Strange war (Vasya) 7 June 2021 00: 40
      -2
      They master money, not space. They did not intend and are not going to build anything really. Since 2000, they have been hanging all sorts of noodles, and everything is cooler and cooler. That reusable launch vehicle with wings "Baikal", the reusable shuttle Clipper, then "Federation", then thousands of super-duper tanks "Armata", BMP "Kurganets" (strangely not yet "Mogilets"), armored personnel carriers "Boomerang" ", nuclear super destroyers" Leader ", some super-heavy transport aircraft" Elephant "(more than An-225), hundreds of Su-57s, a new MiG-41 interceptor with a speed of 4500 km / h, supersonic passashir aircraft. And that's it, in the news on TV they show the models, just vote for Putin - the best friend of all Jews. Already in general they have gone crazy - Ostap has suffered. And the Russians, meanwhile, live in information isolation, laugh at the Khokholsky guest workers, not even suspecting what those guest workers have, even in Poland, what are the prices for food, and the standard of living in general. And they would have known - they would have demolished the fucking border and run away, but then who will work for Putin's friends and wait for some next unparalleled in the world of light-future bullshit?
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      2. anatolstrash Offline anatolstrash
        anatolstrash (Anatol Strashko) 11 June 2021 17: 43
        -1
        Vasya, and you can already be designated as laborers for Putin's friends. They got the word out.
    4. And you yourself, what color? Halachic?
    5. anatolstrash Offline anatolstrash
      anatolstrash (Anatol Strashko) 11 June 2021 17: 40
      +1
      Stas, do you mean yourself when you write about a cow and a saddle?
  3. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 4 June 2021 14: 55
    -3
    But the launch weight of the Soviet "Buran" reached 105 tons, that is, the ship could fit on the "hump" of a heavy aircraft, and it itself is a useful load. If you look at the parameters of the project from the NGO "Molniya", then it follows that the carrier aircraft must reach an altitude of 105-120 kilometers, there it is already from it to launch a winged spacecraft and go into orbit, and then independently land on the airfield. Looks quite realistic and is no longer as expensive as if you had to create a super-heavy launch vehicle.... Still, is it worth throwing so much money into a civilian project?

    The carrier aircraft itself overstepping the Karman line? How? If it is simply equipped with a WFD, then it will not rise above 50 km due to the rarefaction of the atmosphere. If it is also equipped with rocket engines to reach a given altitude, then the system is very expensive.
  4. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 4 June 2021 15: 04
    -6
    X-37B vs. Our Answer. Do they already have when to expect an "answer"?
    In the United States, the second is being delivered to the Sierra Nevada company under the name



    We ought to hurry up with the second answer! )))))
    1. Old Skeptic Offline Old Skeptic
      Old Skeptic (Old Skeptic) 4 June 2021 18: 39
      +4
      Tell Tribaltun, what can Tribaltia and Geyropa in general boast of in space? Well, for an adult?

      You are Tibaltuns all the industry left by the "occupants" about ...

      And we have something to raise from the archival shelves - look for information about the "spiral" shuttle program. Find out where your roller legs grow from.

      And Buran himself flew into space and returned himself, and this was in the 80s, thirty years earlier than your masters could repeat it, and then on a smaller scale.
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 4 June 2021 19: 13
        -5
        Quote: Old Skeptic
        Tell the tribalton

        An article like about the Russian Federation and the United States? I am a third-party comrade give you an assessment, if I am wrong then refute.
        If you are interested in what happened to the "prone" industry in Estonia, you can watch this video. Just prepared on time.



        Estonia is smaller than Russia, hence the scale of the industry is smaller. But in terms of quality, Estonia is ahead.
        2 workers in Estonia do as much as in the Russian Federation 3.
        This can be seen in the level of salaries and pensions. See the level of motorization.
        1. Old Skeptic Offline Old Skeptic
          Old Skeptic (Old Skeptic) 4 June 2021 22: 11
          +3
          The tribaltun evaluates the Russian Federation and the United States, it is like a flea evaluates two wolves.
          The one who cannot do anything himself (meaning your limitrophy), always climbs, with his assessments that are useless to anyone.

          You tribaltons, from your new masters, have learned to genre well with numbers.
          You are not numbers for me, you show me the factories.
          How it was - how it became.
          Leave the myths to yourself
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 4 June 2021 22: 32
            -4
            Quote: Old Skeptic
            You are not numbers for me, you show me the factories.

            Everything is in the video. If you do not understand the numbers, then there is already a diagnosis. The fact that you are a troll is clear. The main thing is that others also read us. And there are not all trolls) And this is the main thing.
            We have no masters, we have allies and like-minded people. If you are against unions, then welcome to the Stone Age. Yes, and there they were friends with a crowd.
            You just ENJOY that no one wants to be friends with you.
            Let's make more stupid statements, statements and questions.
            HDI in Estonia 29 in the Russian Federation 42. By the way. Do you know what this is?
            Or maybe back to discussing the topic?
            RF Sun US 2021 number of space launches. RF 8, USA 21.
            1. Old Skeptic Offline Old Skeptic
              Old Skeptic (Old Skeptic) 4 June 2021 22: 35
              +2
              He made me laugh. Thank you.
              Especially about the allies.
              Tell me, what proportion of your state budget comes from the EU?
              You are just a leech state
              1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                Vladest (Vladimir) 5 June 2021 18: 22
                -2
                Quote: Old Skeptic
                tell

                And what do you know?



                Check your knowledge.
                The title of the video is about you.
                In Estonia, the standard of living is higher than in the Russian Federation. This is a fact and you cannot refute it.
                1. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
                  Rum rum (Rum rum) 5 June 2021 18: 33
                  0
                  Personally, my level is higher. And I'm not the only one. And my city is cleaner and more comfortable than your limitrophy.
                  1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                    Vladest (Vladimir) 7 June 2021 06: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Rum Rum
                    Personally, my level is higher. And I'm not the only one. And my city is cleaner and more comfortable than your limitrophy.

                    These are just words.
                2. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
                  Rum rum (Rum rum) 5 June 2021 19: 03
                  -1
                  I can show two dozen such videos.
                  Show me the link to the official state statistics. Otherwise, you can cite social networks as proof.
                  1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                    Vladest (Vladimir) 7 June 2021 07: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Rum Rum
                    I can show two dozen such videos.
                    Show me the link to the official state statistics. Otherwise, you can cite social networks as proof.

                    Into the easy! But not for you personally, but for everyone who needs to know the TRUTH.
                    Department of Statistics. Do you understand English? https://www.stat.ee/en
                    Bro! We are married? Everything is relative. There is already a lot of data on Estonia. When will you start comparing the real figures for the Russian Federation with the Estonian ones?
                    Just do not need data depending on the size of the country and the size of its population, otherwise I will send you to China or India)))
        2. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 4 June 2021 22: 59
          +3
          If you are interested in what happened to the "prone" industry in Estonia, you can watch this video. Just prepared on time.
          "Estonian Industry | Myth or Reality?"
          Estonia is smaller than Russia, hence the scale of the industry is smaller. But in terms of quality, Estonia is ahead.

          Or you can just look at the statistics.


          https://take-profit.org/statistics/industrial-production/estonia/и

          This can be seen in the level of salaries and pensions. See the level of motorization.

          Last year, Estonia ranked 22nd in the European Union (EU) in terms of actual individual consumption (AIC), taking into account the consumption capacity of the population, behind only five member countries.

          https://majandus.postimees.ee/7001361/eesti-elanike-ostujoud-on-euroopa-liidu-viimaste-seas

          The purchasing power is one of the lowest, 25% lower than the EU average. I don’t know what kind of members are there, which is worse than you in Europe, they are pulling you by the ears for 30 years, pouring money in, not a fig. Not a horse feed?
          If we take away subsidies from the “economic miracle”, for example, for 2018 at least 550 million euros (about 400 thousand per person), it is unlikely that they have become less. Somehow achievements fade
          https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2759645.html
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 7 June 2021 07: 29
            -3
            I compare with Russia "Great and Mighty". As always, you need to distort everything.
            In the video above, there is everything in detail about the subsidy policy in the EU.
            Not as much as I remember from the budget of the last seven-year plan, not even 550, but 700 million a year came out.
            But you see, you were in such a hurry that you could not divide 550 by 000 of the population of Estonia and you ended up with 000 per person. How are you doing with math?
            The error is obvious in "thousand" after 400.
            But once again, I have already written to you more than once that EU subsidies go to the development of the country. A rich partner is beneficial for the EU. A rich partner buys well. This can be seen from the number of cars.
            What's the point that Putin has already fed Belarus 120 billion dollars (subsidies?) Even subsidies must be skillfully spent.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 7 June 2021 12: 19
              +2
              Whatever the standard of living we have, it is our own, earned by our own hump.
              And with all sorts of restrictions and sanctions.
              All you have are handouts from the European Union. I gave you approximate figures. Don't like math? Try to divide 550 million by the population of one million three hundred with a tail. And then you can divide by another 12. That comes out to roughly € 35 a month per person, including the elderly, babies and toilets in Ireland. And so for 30 years in a row. This is your entire standard of living. It's easier to close everything and directly pay 2-3 thousand benefits directly. Have you ever wondered where the rest of the money goes? You should have ridden everything in limousines for a long time and lay out paths in the garden with gold bars. So tell us how you skillfully spend subsidies lol Wealthy and profitable partners laughing



              As they were under the USSR as a bottomless pit, they remain. No matter how much you invest in you, there is no sense.
              But you have nothing to say, that's why you are nodding at Belarus. By the way, the amount of 120 billion is interesting, where do not you tell me the data? Will there be a link to the source?
        3. magma Offline magma
          magma (Tatyana) 5 June 2021 08: 58
          +3
          Quote: Vladest
          Estonia is smaller than Russia, hence the scale of the industry is smaller. But in terms of quality, Estonia is ahead.

          - less is not the right word ... lol
          Okay, I'll try to remember at least some Baltic goods in our or European stores, besides canned fish (which are no longer there either) ...

          Mmmm ...
          No, no way ...

          Maybe someone from our respected audience will be able to?

          PS And there's no need to talk about the quality of these invisibles. laughing
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 7 June 2021 07: 54
            -4
            Quote: magma
            Okay, I'll try to remember at least some Baltic goods

            And before that, you remembered what kind of trade turnover between the RF and the EU? RF for the EU is about 6% of trade. Very modest. And the main goods for the EU are raw materials and fuel.
            From here and this fight for SP2.
            For the EU, Russia is not a very big trading partner.
            Estonia has only approx. 7% of exports. Although if you see a BOLT taxi on the street, then this is Estonia. Skype has Estonian roots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype)
            But the fact is that in Estonia people live RICHER than in Russia, and not in what you see or know. And vision and level of knowledge can fail)))
            And yet, in the end, you need to know that in all modern states, services form a large part of the GDP. How can you know about our services?
            Even in Russia! Did you know that?
            By the main sectors of the economy, the structure of Russia's GDP is as follows: Agricultural structure - 4%; Industry - 36,3% Service sector - 59,7%.

            And this is about our services. Here are some examples. In Tallinn, public transport is free for city residents.
            We even sort the garbage and an empty bottle costs 10 cents. (9 rubles) There is no container lying around the bushes.
            What interesting things will you share about your place of residence?
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        4. anatolstrash Offline anatolstrash
          anatolstrash (Anatol Strashko) 11 June 2021 17: 57
          +1
          I read and laughed. For example, the production of meat fell, but the production of sausages increased. Milk production fell, but cheese and cottage cheese production increased. Without thinking about what has been said, he smartly speaks nonsense.
  5. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 June 2021 15: 34
    +1
    Quote: Cyril
    If it is also equipped with rocket engines to reach a given altitude, then the system is very expensive.

    It is all the same cheaper than making new "Energy". Yenisei was suspended for an indefinite time.
  6. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 June 2021 15: 48
    +3
    Quote: 123
    As far as I remember, the X-37 is produced in two versions, they have different carrying capacities. If I am not mistaken, we have built 3 of both. In total, in total they can all lift 27 warheads into orbit.

    You understand that mini-shuttles can just be a transitional step in evolution? They can simply run in dual-use technologies, without particularly disturbing anything. Amers will need real orbital bombers, so they will already have the entire base worked out.
  7. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 June 2021 15: 49
    +2
    Quote: Vladest
    X-37B vs. Our Answer. Do they already have when to expect an "answer"?
    In the United States, the second is being delivered to the Sierra Nevada company under the name

    Listen, and people like you still laughed at the "Putin cartoons" hi
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 4 June 2021 22: 40
      -6
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      Listen, and people like you still laughed at the "Putin cartoons"

      You are deeply mistaken. I'm not like that )). I do not understand how there are blinkered by Putin's propaganda and those who hate everything in Russia. Only facts and evidence.
      Here is an example, Estonia is on the 29th place in the HDI of the Russian Federation somewhere after 40. Is this not true?
      Of course, you can endlessly slander Estonia for its size. Sprats and Khutor. But the fact remains that Estonia is ahead of Russia in many quality indicators. My facts will reach thinking and reasonable people.
      1. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
        Rum rum (Rum rum) 5 June 2021 15: 17
        +1
        HDI? Are you serious?
        Another nonsense in the style of British scientists.
        Life expectancy is considered according to those born in the USSR, and what is your merit?
        How long will you live?
        What is the decline in your population?
        30% left for the British aftershocks, and do you count the duration according to the rest?
        How much do you have with higher technical education?
        Or all with some sort of "Higher cultural-planktonic"?
        Another distortion of numbers, for the sake of the political conjuncture, in this rating, Liechtenstein is almost ahead of the rest of the planet.

        You're just ridiculous with such arguments.

        You are here telling how good it is in geyrope and how bad it is in Russia.
        I have been to the EU, and have you ever been to Russia to talk about, or "do you draw judgments from forgotten newspapers"?
        Let's compare the ranking of higher education institutions, and where are you there?
        Maybe math and physics olympiads?
        1. Vladest Offline Vladest
          Vladest (Vladimir) 7 June 2021 08: 07
          -2
          Quote: Rum Rum
          HDI? Are you serious?

          Very serious! You look at the data on the country and this index is always there.
          I do not want to offend you, but the level of your knowledge shocks me.
          Don't know what the HDI is.
          When will you stop talking and start writing something significant?
          I have not received a single fact that people in the Russian Federation live richer than in Estonia.
          Once upon a time, a lot left Estonia. Those who also came to Estonia for a long ruble left.
          These are all the same Russians. In the same way as now they are fleeing from Russia.
          In Estonia, the population has started to grow since 2016. Our average salary has become very tasty) What can not be said about Russia.
          Can we check or teach how?
          1. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
            Rum rum (Rum rum) 8 June 2021 17: 15
            0
            Did you understand what you wrote yourself? I deliberately raised the articles on this crazy rating.
            The rest is "the average temperature in the hospital."
        2. Ugr Offline Ugr
          Ugr 9 June 2021 13: 13
          +1
          Yes, do not feed the Estonian troll, let him fill in whatever he wants, theirs in Russia has nothing at all from the word, but in the EU countries, only hard workers, about which this tribalt interprets incomprehensibly, in Europe there is nowhere to go ...
      2. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
        Rum rum (Rum rum) 5 June 2021 19: 27
        0
        That there is nothing more to say about the HDI?
        Can you show any other ratings of your achievements?
        Don't be shy.
      3. anatolstrash Offline anatolstrash
        anatolstrash (Anatol Strashko) 11 June 2021 18: 03
        +2
        Vladimir, don't make people laugh. With these places. In Rwanda, production grew by 100% over the year. In 2019, they made one buffalo cart. And in 2020 two! Rwanda is in the first place in terms of production growth in the world. It is sickening to look at the limited-profits trying to prove how well they have come to live under the American guardianship.
  8. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 4 June 2021 20: 26
    +3
    It is not surprising that the technical solutions were found by the NGO Molniya, which in the Soviet period was engaged in the development of Buran.

    So the technology has survived. And this is good news, now it's all about money and political will. The X-37 flew in 2010. So then it was necessary to attend to Buran. It’s good at least now it’s realized that something needs to be done. Mediocrity. I cannot find other censorship words.
    1. anatolstrash Offline anatolstrash
      anatolstrash (Anatol Strashko) 11 June 2021 18: 05
      0
      Steelmaker, your destiny is to cook steel. And you here are broadcasting to us about mediocrity with such aplomb.
  9. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 4 June 2021 21: 39
    -1
    Do you need? Needed.
    But "there is no money, but you are holding on." Classic.
    How many recently have there been articles about the closure of the trampolines. And there is not even a mention of spending millions and cases for the stolen ...

    and on the Internet there is an article "The Eleven Arrows of Artemis", with a listing of what they are already overtaking us ...
    1. anatolstrash Offline anatolstrash
      anatolstrash (Anatol Strashko) 11 June 2021 18: 06
      +1
      How do they overtake? We're always in the back.
  10. Our answer is X-37B

    Well .. "Buran" was stolen from the Americans .. And you are stealing the X-37B
    As Vladimir Vladimirovich used to say: "And then we have them scratch-claws"
    Dac-scratch- and all the problems ..! No need to create if you can just steal
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 4 June 2021 22: 48
      -5
      Quote: Kharkiv resident - Saltovchanin
      Well .. "Buran" was stolen from the Americans.

      The hardest thing for them is to admit that all problems rest on the power of thieves. According to various estimates, a couple of trillion dollars of spending on anything during Putin's rule. Up to 300 families close to Putin are fattening. Sanctions, excessive military spending, Lukashenka alone is already pulling tens of billions.
      On Vostochny, theft was discovered again. The fish rots from the head.
      1. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
        Rum rum (Rum rum) 5 June 2021 18: 45
        0
        Listen, well, you know what you know about the government in the Russian Federation.

        According to your "shitty" ratings, the level of public confidence is off the charts. There is no iron curtain and many of us have been to your gamerope, we have something to compare with.

        We know our problems, but these are far from the ones you are trying to tell us about (funny, isn't it - the Baltic balabol tells us about our problems).
        1. Vladest Offline Vladest
          Vladest (Vladimir) 5 June 2021 18: 49
          -1
          Quote: Rum Rum
          Listen, well, you know what you know about the government in the Russian Federation.

          More than yours). Or has a new theft not been revealed in the East?
          Maybe "we" know, but you personally hardly.
          What is there in the Russian Federation with the depreciation of fixed assets, for example? Wait for an answer?
          1. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
            Rum rum (Rum rum) 5 June 2021 19: 11
            +1
            Catch
            https://rosinfostat.ru/osnovnye-fondy/
          2. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
            Rum rum (Rum rum) 5 June 2021 19: 20
            0
            So we have thieves, at least somehow they are caught, and the governors are imprisoned (and the acting ones). So that you know about the theft in Vostochny, if not for the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation.
            What about this in your gamerope? Or do they not steal from you?
          3. Rum rum Offline Rum rum
            Rum rum (Rum rum) 6 June 2021 18: 52
            +1
            Balobol, where are you?
            Tell us about fighting theft in your gamerope!
            This is the second question in this thread, to which you are silent.
    2. SemVale Offline SemVale
      SemVale (Vale) 4 June 2021 22: 50
      -3
      Quote: Kharkiv resident - Saltovchanin
      Well .. "Buran" was stolen from the Americans.

      Understood, but not so.
      The tragedy of Buran and Energy separately.
      The shuttle, thanks to its powerful engines, drove the fuel of the tank through its engines ...
      The buck was worth a penny. Energy was a very expensive structure that was used ONCE.

      ...... Buran's own engines are not used in most of the active phase of launching the spacecraft into orbit - it is launched by the Energia carrier rocket, while the Shuttle, starting from the moment of launch, goes into orbit on its own engines ( in addition to two solid fuel boosters) .......

      How did Musk reduce the cost of the project? It is through the preservation of accelerators and their reuse.
      Each Buran launch cost much more than a Shuttle launch.

      You also need to steal wisely.
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 4 June 2021 23: 22
      +6
      Well .. "Buran" was stolen from the Americans .. And you are stealing the X-37B

      This is a Ukrainian folk tradition.
      Quietly "slammed" and went, called found.
      If you stop being blunt, I advise you to take a look. well, for example, the differences in engines for the Shuttle and Buran (so as not to overload your intellect). As you find a complete match, write. Write the same when the Shuttle was flying in automatic mode.
      1. SemVale Offline SemVale
        SemVale (Vale) 5 June 2021 20: 06
        -4
        What a coincidence? Stole the principle.
        This is precisely the Russian tradition ... to remind about the B-29? Cars, toys, films, household appliances ...
        Even his own ice cream was not, Mikoyan brought from the USA.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 5 June 2021 20: 54
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          What a coincidence? Stole the principle.

          How do you know such words? What other principle?

          This is precisely the Russian tradition ... to remind about the B-29? Cars, toys, films, household appliances ...
          Even his own ice cream was not, Mikoyan brought from the USA.

          What does the B-52 and ice cream have to do with it? Are these also Ukrainian inventions? What does this have to do with Buran?

          Do you write from kindergarten? Well, you can't be so limited.

          It doesn't matter where I write from, it is much more important that it reaches your insane asylum.

          Pretending? So the troll is on the payroll. No options.

          Come on, it's boring negative Your peasant agro-humor will not be appreciated.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 6 June 2021 12: 38
            -4
            How do you know such words?

            Just think, for someone the word "principle" is not as difficult to understand as it is for you :)

            What does the B-52 and ice cream have to do with it?

            So you were the first to say about the traditions of stealing technologies - so they showed you with specific examples how it happened in the USSR :)

            And not about the B-52, but about the B-29 you were told.

            This is it Ukrainian inventions too?

            Don't be so nervous, you have already started to stutter :)
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    5. Kirill Valkovsky (Kirill Valkovsky) 5 June 2021 12: 27
      +2
      They did not steal anything. Buran differs from the Shuttle in its principle of operation.
    6. Ugr Offline Ugr
      Ugr 9 June 2021 13: 16
      +1
      They steal everything from you nevmerlik, just don't judge by yourself, you can't keep up ..
  11. SemVale Offline SemVale
    SemVale (Vale) 4 June 2021 22: 34
    -2
    It's time to speculate about Buran
  12. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 June 2021 07: 48
    +2
    Quote: Vladest
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Listen, and people like you still laughed at the "Putin cartoons"

    You are deeply mistaken. I'm not like that )). I do not understand how there are blinkered by Putin's propaganda and those who hate everything in Russia. Only facts and evidence.
    Here is an example, Estonia is on the 29th place in the HDI of the Russian Federation somewhere after 40. Is this not true?
    Of course, you can endlessly slander Estonia for its size. Sprats and Khutor. But the fact remains that Estonia is ahead of Russia in many quality indicators. My facts will reach thinking and reasonable people.

    What do I care about Estonia and its size and sprat? It's not about her at all. You refer to some "cartoons" without realizing how funny it is. And don't even feel the irony
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  13. gorenina91 Online gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 5 June 2021 10: 55
    -4
    Three reasons why Russia needs an updated Buran-2

    - Yes, you need, you need ... - what is there ... here ... there is also "explain and prove" ...
    - But, unfortunately ... - it all comes down to a simple "talker", namely:

    "I want to buy a house, but I can't;
    -I have the opportunity to buy a goat, but I have no desire ... "

    - and so on etc. etc.
  14. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 5 June 2021 11: 20
    +3
    Quote: marciz
    "Why does the Cow need a saddle?" People all over Russia live in trailers and wooden houses and give them Buran !! ??
    Jews at the expense of ordinary Russians are exploring space !!!!!

    We forgot to ask you what we need to do !!!
    1. SemVale Offline SemVale
      SemVale (Vale) 5 June 2021 19: 57
      -3
      And I would ask in March 2014 before moving to Crimea.
      And the Georgians would have asked both the Czechs and Hungarians and Afghans ...
      So what's the point?
      "A German thinks while sitting, an American on the run, a Russian then"
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  16. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 5 June 2021 11: 46
    +3
    Quote: Kharkiv resident - Saltovchanin
    Our answer is X-37B

    Well .. "Buran" was stolen from the Americans .. And you are stealing the X-37B
    As Vladimir Vladimirovich used to say: "And then we have them scratch-claws"
    Dac-scratch- and all the problems ..! No need to create if you can just steal

    In China, military-industrial espionage is developed an order of magnitude higher, but it somehow gives the desired end result, so it's not for you to reproach or teach us something, unlike the Baltic countries and Ukraine, we have our own aviation and space industry in In recent years, it has not degraded, but has been developing rather dynamically, but if problems arise with the development of any particularly complex elements, then ready-made solutions to these problems can be borrowed from the side, and why not, the main thing is the final result, and the ways to achieve it are already second question!!!
  17. Kirill Valkovsky (Kirill Valkovsky) 5 June 2021 12: 26
    0
    The project is civil probably because the military purpose of Buran ruined it. But something is not clear. The carrier aircraft rises to an altitude of 105-120 km? Something doesn't add up.
  18. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
    Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 5 June 2021 18: 47
    0
    So on the ground, the holes in the sides can be tighter with Scotch tape!
  19. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 June 2021 10: 31
    0
    Quote: Kirill Valkovsky
    The carrier aircraft rises to an altitude of 105-120 km? Something doesn't add up.

    Well, of course, not a production plane. A carrier will have to be specially designed based on something like Ruslan.
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  21. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 June 2021 07: 10
    0
    Quote: SemVale
    And I would ask in March 2014 before moving to Crimea.

    The Russians have already been to Crimea, if anything.
  22. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 8 June 2021 08: 21
    0
    Quote: SemVale
    What a coincidence? Stole the principle.

    How can you steal a principle? All principles are laid down in physics, they are not someone's property.
  23. Friend of the People_2 (Kirill Vetrov) 9 June 2021 12: 50
    -2
    So that the Russians would have raised taxes by 3 times on these toys
  24. Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 9 June 2021 21: 08
    +2
    Quote: Strange War
    without even suspecting what those migrant workers have, even in Poland, the salaries, what are the prices for food there, and in general the standard of living

    Hosspadi, nod to Poland it's such a bottom
    Although, for the Hohlopithecus, Poland may seem like a European paradise, but to normal people it even looks ridiculous. With a salary half the Moscow salary and huge expenses
  25. Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 10 June 2021 01: 22
    +1
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Russians have already been to Crimea, if anything

    Ukraine did not exist on the map yet, but Crimea and Russia were already
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  26. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 11 June 2021 07: 41
    -2
    Quote: 123
    Try to divide 550 million by the population of one million three hundred with a tail. And then you can divide by another 12. That comes out to roughly € 35 a month per person, including the elderly, babies and toilets in Ireland.

    You definitely have a problem with math.
    550: 000 = 000 and that's not even a month, but a year!
    But even this money goes to infrastructure projects.
  27. Anchonsha Offline Anchonsha
    Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 13 June 2021 16: 13
    0
    And yet we need to have a semblance of Buran in order to be able to send goods of a certain weight, and Buran will take its position. The United States, and indeed now the West, will militarize space and we should not be left with a nose.
  28. michey_2 Offline michey_2
    michey_2 (michae x) Yesterday, 20: 00
    -2
    Buran is needed not to fly into space, but to steal on a large scale.