Biden was advised to end support for Ukraine. And "as soon as possible" ...


The attitude of the "collective West" to Kiev is changing literally before our eyes and far from for the better. Before he heard a couple of diplomatic "slaps" in the face, given to him by Berlin after an openly extortionate interview with Volodymyr Zelenskiy, which he gave to one of the German publications, a much more serious "resentment" emerged from the main "strategic partner" of Ukraine - the United States.


The local press for the first time, perhaps since the "Euromaidan" of 2014, openly sounded a call for the current US administration not only to reformat relations with the "non-profit" or, for example, to reduce their level, but to break with this country completely, and even do it in the shortest possible time. Does this sound like a verdict that could indeed be signed on US-Ukrainian cooperation? More likely yes than no, and now we will try to figure out why exactly.

What kind of democracy ?! Solid authoritarianism with neo-Nazism!


The article we are going to talk about was published recently in the American magazine The National Interest. This publication may well be considered the spokesman for the opinion of a certain (and far from being the smallest) part of the Washington political community, including on the “Ukrainian question”. This is evidenced by quite specific points, which we will talk about a little later, but for now - about the main meaning of the material. Its author, Ted Galen Carpenter, gives Ukraine a fatal, from the American point of view, "diagnosis." It turns out that this is not at all "tolerant and energetic democracy", as they are trying to prove it in words in Kiev, but a real "pseudo-liberal" and almost totalitarian state formation, which from the very beginning has been playing a dishonest game with the West.

It's terrible to say, but the journalist puts Ukraine on a par with the level of “anti-democracy”, not only with Turkey, but even with Russia! From this alone, all the "faithful patriots" in Kiev should already have a nervous fit. Further more. The National Interest finally (and not ten years has passed!) Will deign to notice and admit that in the coup d'etat of 2014, which in the article is called a "pro-democratic popular uprising", it turns out, in addition to those who "at the call of their hearts protested against the corrupt the authorities of Yanukovych ", the most active participation was also taken by the most real" radicals ". It is hard to believe it, but Mr. Carpenter does not limit himself to such a vague and vague definition, but directly says that the “Maidan” was not only attended, but played a “decisive role” in it by “ultranationalists” and even “outright fascists”! At the same time, the "Svoboda" and "Right Sector", banned in Russia, are specifically named.

Moreover, the author of the article with obvious sarcasm points out that the same structures (for example, the Azov battalion, which he openly calls neo-Nazi) have become an "integral part of the new democratic Ukraine", its army, special services and political life. But what then is this "democracy" - with Nazi stormtroopers? And Carpenter absolutely unambiguously states that it is they who reign on the Ukrainian streets after 2014, speaking of “numerous manifestations of extremism and anti-Semitism” that have become “commonplace” there. However, the author does not dwell on them alone, directly saying that "authoritarianism" became the state policy of Kiev, which "introduced censorship, persecuted dissidents" and allowed himself such things that were unacceptable from the point of view of advocates of "democratic values" during the presidency. Poroshenko.

However, according to The National Interest, with the coming to power of Volodymyr Zelensky, "the bad situation has become even worse." The closure of the 112, NewsOne and ZiK TV channels, which are objectionable to the authorities, the prosecution of Viktor Medvedchuk and the detention of the SBU of "public activists" on charges of "pro-Russian activities" - the author of the article cites all these facts as evidence that Volodymyr Zelenskyy carries out political repressions "on the basis of completely vague standards and emotions ”. Tellingly, another example of the president's "authoritarianism", Carpenter considers the "showdown" that unfolded between him and the mayor of Kiev Vitali Klitschko, in which, according to the journalist, Zelensky sees "an annoying rival." In a word, from all those accusations that are put forward in the article against the Ukrainian authorities without the slightest sentiment, to the classification of it as a "regime" with which, as you know, Washington speaks exclusively in the language of ultimatums and sanctions, the distance is already less than half a step ...

"Odious client state"


This is precisely what Carpenter characterizes modern Ukraine when he speaks of its relationship with the United States. At the same time, the above revelations are by no means record-breaking in terms of the sensationalism of the approach - the author not only openly admits that the "American trace" in the 2014 coup d'etat is "impossible to hide", but also voices something even more important. In his opinion, "Washington's policy on the Ukrainian issue" since the time of the "Maidan" has been largely "fraudulent". What I mean here is that some "representatives of American foreign policy" have tried and are trying to create a false image of "non-profit" in their country, which is clearly not corresponding to reality. As an example, Carpenter cites a speech in the US Congress by former Acting Ambassador to Kiev, William Taylor, who tried to broadcast about a kind of "all-encompassing democratic nationalism" that allegedly guides the leaders there. Moreover, he allowed himself to compare the current Ukrainian realities with "the United States in its best moments."

To make such comparisons and, in general, to build relations with Kiev on the basis of absolutely inappropriate in this case "democratic solidarity" the author of the article considers "offensive for the American side from a moral point of view." "Treating Ukraine as an ally is by no means unacceptable and reckless!" - he makes a categorical conclusion. And he sums up that the Joe Biden administration must "give up all relationship with it" and the sooner it does, the better. Note that this is not about reducing the amount of financial or military aid, not about refusing to support certain initiatives of Kiev, but about completely "deleting" it from Washington's foreign policy agenda. This is a verdict, of course.

Is it possible to consider what has been written as an expression of private opinion that does not play a special role? Unlikely. Let me remind you that during the period of the "spring aggravation" of Ukrainian-Russian relations, which came to the redeployment of our troops to the borders of this country, The National Interest published material of a very similar tonality, which belonged to the pen of the same author. Its meaning boiled down to the fact that the United States should in no case interfere in this conflict. Then Carpenter wrote that the expression of support from Washington is likely to push Kiev to repeat the mistakes of Tbilisi in 2008 and the very sad consequences that followed. The author unambiguously asserted that "no sane American" can advocate military support for Ukraine. How did it end, I hope, no need to remind? That's right - Mr. Biden's call to Vladimir Putin and a sharp turn of the US Navy destroyers ... The National Interest is not a "yellow" leaflet or a tabloid, its publications mean something.

There is one more point that works in favor of this version. The publication of the article in this magazine somehow very successfully coincided with the publication of the report of the UN Monitoring Mission on Human Rights in Ukraine. This document has a purely negative connotation and directly indicates that what is happening in the "nezalezhnoy" directly "contradicts international standards regarding the observance of human rights." Examples of violations are cited, which is, again, very typical, almost all the same that Carpenter talks about. Like a carbon copy. In addition, UN officials mention the incessant killings by the Ukrainian side of civilians in Donbass, the continuing arbitrariness of the SBU, the atrocities of radicals who remain absolutely unpunished, no matter what crimes they commit.

In his recent interview with the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, among other things, mentioned his firm intentions "to discuss with President Biden" some "plan B for Donbass that goes beyond the Normandy format". There are enormous doubts that the head of the White House will discuss anything at all with this leader, and even more so, some "plans" there, the mere mention of which caused an extremely negative reaction both in Berlin and in Paris. Biden now already has rather tense relations with his European allies, and because of Kiev's absurd "wishes" he will definitely not spoil them. Most likely, he will not quarrel over them and with Moscow. It is quite possible that it is not in vain that the meeting of the US and Russian presidents is not in vain awaiting the meeting of the presidents of the United States and Russia with poorly concealed horror. Washington, perhaps, will defend an ally. But the "client state", and even the "odious" - this is unlikely.

And, by the way, about odiousness. Truly, there is no such bad situation that Ukraine could not make it worse. In light of the increasingly frequent accusations against her of rampant radicals and obvious neo-Nazi tendencies in the local "politic", the story that took place just yesterday, June 3, looks very characteristic. For consideration by the local parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, its deputy Maxim Buzhansky submitted a bill banning the legalization of Nazism and the glorification of war criminals. However, during a discussion in the session hall of this issue, which cannot have a double interpretation for any normal person, Oksana Savchuk, a deputy from Carpenter's article "Svoboda", said that "SS fighters" are "heroes."

Is it any wonder that the bill was not passed. The local nationalist rabble is accustomed to absolute permissiveness to such an extent that it already allows itself to openly “zigzag” in public during openly Nazi marches and other similar events being held unrestrictedly in Kiev. This public does not intend to give up its positions even under the threat that such antics may well become a formal reason for breaking off relations with overseas "partners", not realizing that without their support Ukraine in its current state will not exist for a very long time.
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  1. marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) 4 June 2021 11: 09
    -4
    In general, it turns out that when the United States becomes not interested in Ukraine, then they will allow Russia to show their either brotherly feelings or the feeling of one people, the main thing here is "When they allow", well, we may have thousands of such brothers !!! Geopolitics !!! )))
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 4 June 2021 11: 31
      +10
      In general, it turns out that when the United States becomes not interested in Ukraine, then they will allow Russia to show their either brotherly feelings or the feeling of one people, the main thing here is "When they allow", well, we may have thousands of such brothers !!! Geopolitics !!! )))

      Your brothers in the barn.
      We will decide what and when to do with the wild field.
      1. marciz Offline marciz
        marciz (Stas) 4 June 2021 13: 30
        -10%
        You have already decided in 2004, 2014 and now continue on the site !!!!
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 4 June 2021 13: 51
          +10
          You have already decided in 2004, 2014 and now continue on the site !!!!

          And in 2004, what was that? Yushchenko? smile You did your best in 2004 and in 2014. And now you continue to shit on the site. Destroy your own country with your own hands.
          We are getting ready to explore the wild field ...
    2. Old Skeptic Offline Old Skeptic
      Old Skeptic (Old Skeptic) 4 June 2021 22: 38
      0
      Do you have this?
  2. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 4 June 2021 13: 26
    -7
    Neither the United States nor Europe will stop supporting Ukraine - this is more than obvious. The format may change. Ukraine is a strategic victory in the fight against Russia. This is also obvious.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 4 June 2021 14: 16
      +11
      Neither the United States nor Europe will stop supporting Ukraine - this is more than obvious.

      I would not be so categorical. Iran once had close ties with the United States and Europe, Saddam was no stranger, Mubarek. Gaddafi was quite accepted in Europe. There are a lot of examples.

      The format may change.

      How's that?

      Ukraine is a strategic victory in the fight against Russia. This is also obvious

      So they think so. Is this really so? A dead Polish "thinker" has decently shit in their brains about - Russia is not an empire without Ukraine.
      What have they achieved?
      Previously, the showcase of "entry" into Europe, or rather Europe and the United States, was Poland; now, for those standing in the dressing room, the showcase is Ukraine, and a showcase with broken glass, boarded up with plywood.
      Does this prevent Russia from expanding? In my opinion, no. Eating with Ukraine during or before Yanukovych was virtually impossible. Too high was the conceit of their own importance there and the underestimation of Russia. It was "almost storage", there would have been incomparably more problems than with Lukashenka.
      The Ukrainian project is essentially no different from the Russian one, they did not come up with anything new and claimed the same territory. In principle, they were for the same state (Ukraine + Russia and probably Belarus), but they saw themselves at the head. And in my opinion they expected the West to help them. fill up with money like Poland, and they gradually rake Russia up for themselves.
      Since then, something has changed. Russia is growing stronger and developing despite all kinds of sanctions, opposite metamorphoses are taking place with Ukraine, despite "the whole world is with us." fellow
      In my opinion, this is a dead end for the West, the maximum that they can unleash a conflict. The results are predictable, the consequences are the fixation of the failure of the strategic course of the West.
      All they achieved by organizing a confrontation in Ukraine, the devastation of its territory (population and economy). Perhaps this delayed the development of Russia somewhat, but this time was not in vain, you know, import substitution is beneficial. In general, their successes are mostly tactical.
      Can you have some other explanation for their strategic victory? What is it?
      1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
        Alexzn (Alexander) 4 June 2021 14: 47
        -5
        You surprised me. I wrote really obvious things, there is not even a subject for discussion.
        It is only about the volume and nature of aid to Ukraine.
        You contradict yourself. Russia is developing, Ukraine is degrading - you present this as the absence of a victory for the West. It's strange. If Russia developed together with Ukraine and in the same vector (and this is + a quarter of the potential), then they would talk about the absence of a strategic victory.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 4 June 2021 15: 54
          +5
          You surprised me. I was hanging really obvious things, there is not even a subject for discussion.
          It is only about the volume and nature of aid to Ukraine.

          How does Ukraine differ from Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Libya? They will support her forever because ... will they support? A decrease in the volume of support will inevitably lead to the fall of the current regime. It's just a postponement. Maintaining support at the current level does not yield results, the situation is frozen, but this will not last long. There are not enough resources for existence, the system is not stable, the pendulum will inevitably swing in one direction.
          An increase in support for the results will not give, the maximum of which will be achieved, aggravation and military conflict, its results are described above. This is a dead end. Time is working for us.

          You contradict yourself. Russia is developing, Ukraine is degrading - you present this as the absence of a victory for the West. It's strange. If Russia developed together with Ukraine and in the same vector (and this is + a quarter of the potential), then they would talk about the absence of a strategic victory.

          Are you also a fan of Brzezinski? Note that you have outlined the strategic goal of uniting Russia and Ukraine. Who told you that this is the strategy of Russia? Ukraine is only part of the puzzle, a separate piece, although it is really important.
          You overdid it about "a quarter of the potential". But this is exactly how they evaluated themselves (almost Storage), unification in these conditions was practically impossible, at most an analogue of Poland in the EU (there is no common army, currency, the largest subsidies and ambition beyond the rank, plus it defends the interests of the United States). Do we need it?
          The "local" elite "had enough resources for an autonomous existence, and they believed that they could also pinch off something from Russia.
          A lot of funds were poured into the outskirts during the Soviet era, and their potential was artificially inflated. After 1991, the supply of the former republics continued. It is gradually decreasing, without financial support from Moscow, their degradation is inevitable.
          Let's say the union has taken place. Does this fundamentally change the situation?
          Population + 30-35 million, GDP + 540 billion, some economic indicators will add ... We will move from first place to first in wheat production ... in steel smelting from fourth to fourth ... But resources will be needed there. pour in decently, this is 20 years, everything will go there. Hanging all this on the neck of the Russian budget is not the right decision.
          What does the strategy have to do with it? Increase potential, even let's say by 25% (although very controversial). On the world stage, this does not change anything at all; a similar result can be achieved in other ways. With the exception of population growth, Russia has increased its potential more than this 25%, if the unification took place, money would be invested in Ukraine. We would still buy there helicopter engines for planes, ships, wagons, and the list is endless.
          1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
            Alexzn (Alexander) 4 June 2021 16: 12
            -7
            How does Ukraine differ from Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Libya?

            They were never part of a world power, part of a strategic rival. All these Iranian-Egyptians, etc. these are satellites falling into the sphere of influence, Ukraine is something more. Well, you shouldn't confuse the Asian semi-colonies with the European states.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 4 June 2021 16: 26
              +7
              They were never part of a world power, part of a strategic rival. All these Iranian-Egyptians, etc. these are satellites falling into the sphere of influence, Ukraine is something more. Well, you shouldn't confuse the Asian semi-colonies with the European states.

              What it has become more in the composition of Russia, without Russia it is exactly the same satellite rushing between the spheres of influence.
              Do you call Ukraine a state? belay Don't be ridiculous, the European semi-colony is no better than the Asian ones. In my opinion, Iran or Egypt, which you think so against the background of Ukraine, look pretty decent and have much more reason to be called states.
              I recommend watching straight from the tin, here a little about gas, Ukraine and not only they tell hi

              1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
                Alexzn (Alexander) 4 June 2021 16: 31
                -4
                Quote: 123
                What it has become more in the composition of Russia, without Russia it is exactly the same satellite rushing between the spheres of influence.

                Is this not a victory for the West? As part of Russia and even being a friendly country, Ukraine would be a significant part in the confrontation with the West, but today it does not confront him and has become an enemy of Russia.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 4 June 2021 16: 39
                  +7
                  Is this not a victory for the West? As part of Russia and even being a friendly country, Ukraine would be a significant part in the confrontation with the West, but today it does not confront him and has become an enemy of Russia.

                  What kind of victory is this? Figuratively speaking, there is a war going on, it is too early to trumpet victory, nothing has been decided yet. "Friendly countries" tend to be expensive for the budget. You still watch the broadcast on the link. Interesting words are spoken there.
                  "We are obliged to feed someone"? (in my opinion, not literally, but something like this).
                  How will it help in the confrontation with the West? In the form that it was and is, Ukraine will not go to any confrontation. "Elitka" was going to creep into the West, do it at the expense of Russia and, with the support of the West, also pinch off something from Russia. From the same Lukashenka, and even then there is more sense. What kind of support is there ...
                  So what changes the positioning of Ukraine as an enemy in a global sense?
                  You exaggerate its importance too much.
                  Imagine that you have Lebanon is Ukraine. Well, let's say you made friends there until kissing in the gums. They don't shoot from there, they talk about friendship from the stands, and you help them 10 billions a year ... What does this change globally for you?
          2. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
            Alexzn (Alexander) 4 June 2021 16: 24
            -4
            Are you also a fan of Brzezinski? Note that you have outlined the strategic goal of uniting Russia and Ukraine. Who told you that this is the strategy of Russia?

            Forget you a character already sucked out of your finger - Brzezinski! He was not even 20-40 years ago, but now he is generally remembered only in the vastness of Russia. When Russians refer to him in discussions, Westerners are bewildered. Political scientists generally have an unspoken criterion - if an opponent mentions Brzezinski or the Rothschilds, then one should think about whether it is worth taking him seriously.
            In fact, in the proposed model, we had Ukraine as a given, and it was important for any and strategic players to influence the position of such a significant country.
      2. Quote: 123
        Russia is growing stronger and developing despite all kinds of sanctions, opposite metamorphoses are taking place with Ukraine, despite "the whole world is with us."

        Look at yourself from the outside! .. The Middle Ages ...
        You, Russia, the Russian Empire, are no longer an authority! ..
        In the eyes of "Russian-speaking Ukrainians" you are a kind of unlucky relative with whom it would be nice to be friends, but God forbid to get closer!
        Explain this to your management ..! To have no illusions
        1. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
          Rico1977 (Alexander) 4 June 2021 22: 49
          +4
          And here you are a Kharkiv mankurt. Is it not enough for you to look at spitting? Then I decided to get the minuses too. Brexal there, and there is a gap?
        2. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
          Rico1977 (Alexander) 4 June 2021 23: 13
          +4
          And yes, we do not care what people like you think in Ukraine. Firstly, you are a minority, and secondly, whatever they do with Ukraine, they will ask you last. You are not a state in world politics, but, as the Americans said, you are a territory. You are the subject of politics.
        3. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 4 June 2021 23: 15
          +7
          You, Russia, the Russian Empire, are no longer an authority! ..

          What a tragedy crying How long has it been? What happened that the authority collapsed?

          In the eyes of "Russian-speaking Ukrainians" you are a kind of unlucky relative with whom it would be nice to be friends, but God forbid to get closer!
          Explain this to your management ..! To have no illusions

          Perhaps I will not explain who you are in the eyes of the Russians, otherwise they will be banned.
          How are you going to be friends? To throw a portrait of Bandera and a ridge at a meeting? What language are you planning to speak at the meeting? Russian is then derived from training.
          Our management does not need to explain anything, it understands everything, unlike yours.
          What illusions are there? Everything is clear with you.
        4. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
          Rico1977 (Alexander) 4 June 2021 23: 50
          +6
          And I'm also interested - you scribble from morning to evening exclusively on "enemy" Russian sites. When do you work as a teacher as you said? Or were you fired?
        5. Robert49 Offline Robert49
          Robert49 5 June 2021 00: 04
          +4
          Another Puppyfuck! That already your Nezalezhna is dead! And you, neo-Banderites, were left with a naked ass in lace panties!

          The Ukrainian has "Ridna Mamo"
          And her name is Obamo
          Black tit between legs
          You suck the crest, son!
          That Obama promised
          Make heaven and send lard
          If Ukrainians
          They will spit in the direction of Moscow ...
          Just how many did not spit,
          Nefiga Ukrainians were not given
    2. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 4 June 2021 14: 35
      +3
      Neither the United States nor Europe will stop supporting Ukraine - this is more than obvious. The format may change. Ukraine is a strategic victory in the fight against Russia. This is also obvious.

      Explain what kind of victory will the United States and Europe win by continuing to support Ukraine? what should it contain, and it will definitely not be Russia, was the West striving for this? is this its victory?
  3. ... in the American magazine The National Interest. This publication may well be considered the spokesman for the opinion of a certain (and far from the smallest) part of the Washington politics.

    A-ha-ha ..!
    This is probably because Pushkov is on the editorial board of this magazine?
    And this publication is run by Dmitry Simis (known as Dmitry Simes according to Solovyov's programs), he is a former Muscovite and an honest worker of the Russian special services ...? What everyone has known for a long time ..))
    Guys .. well, at least a little space for common sense!
    The National Interest is an information dump that (apart from being quoted in the Russian press) no one else knows or reads. And which is financed from the Russian budget! ..))
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 June 2021 17: 38
      +6
      The National Interest is an information dump, which (apart from being quoted in the Russian press) is more nobody knows or reads.

      American analytical publication on military-political topics with a printed magazine published twice a month and a popular website published by the NGO Center for National Interest (better known as the Nixon Center - founded by Richard Nixon on January 2, 20) ...

      There is no data on the size of the audience from the publication itself, but the site analysis systems estimate the attendance of NationalIntrest.org from 2,5 to 8 million people per month and about 20 links to publications per month.

      The National Interest has a highly respected international readership, therefore, excerpts from his articles are published by The New York Times, The Financial Times, etc.
      1. alex5450 Offline alex5450
        alex5450 (Alex L) 4 June 2021 22: 40
        -5
        This is how the Russians visit, since almost two-thirds of the articles in the style of "Americans have recognized ..." are links to this resource. This has long been not some kind of respected platform, but simply a branch of RT, to which there is a corresponding attitude.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 June 2021 23: 59
          +6
          Did you do your research on who exactly visits it? An English-speaking resource that is mostly visited by English-speaking people. Reprints not in the Republic of Tatarstan, but in English-language newspapers. I didn’t know that the Nixon Center was financed from the Russian budget.
          One wrote nonsense, the other defends him. You write something unfounded here. I am so often required to confirm my words. I will not demand this from you. You can demand something real.
        2. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 June 2021 00: 05
          +5
          In addition to foreign policy theorists, NI publishes comparative reviews of US and Russian military equipment quite often. Among the editors of such materials, the most famous are former US Secretary of Defense and former US foreign intelligence chief James Schlesinger, strategic weapons expert Graham Allison and the creator of the theory of the use of weapons as offensive realism, John Mearsheimer. A feature of weapons reviews in NI is not just a technical assessment of weapons, but usually a critical assessment of advertising statements by weapons suppliers, but the main thing is an assessment of the military-political significance of a given weapon and the ability to use it in a real military conflict and the political consequences of such use.

          NI is not limited to "Foreign Policy" in the narrow sense of military technology or diplomatic efforts, but also analyzes what cultural, social and economic differences, future technological innovations, history and religion affect the behavior of states. Including for a broad humanitarian analysis of international problems one of the regular contributors to the publication, Saul Bellow, won the Nobel Prize in Literature, who is best known for his publications in the NI on the consequences of the collapse of the USSR, published after receiving the award.

          Of course, a "trash heap" that is not even worth reading. And the authors are all entirely Russian propagandists.
          1. alex5450 Offline alex5450
            alex5450 (Alex L) 7 June 2021 16: 57
            -2
            Everything (someone edited something there, or even wrote something) this does not negate the fact that NI was turned in a few years into a garbage lobbyist branch of RT with a corresponding focus (Russia is cool - you have to be friends!) And the quality of the materials.
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 June 2021 19: 34
              +3
              Have you read THI? There are translations of articles into Russian. There, 90% of the articles are anti-Russian. There are a couple of authors who are (not pro-Russian), but simply neutral. I have looked through those articles that have been translated into Russian. I have not found almost a single pro-Russian one.
              For example

              The National Interest (USA): Waiver of sanctions against Nord Stream 2 sparks new crisis
              The National Interest (USA): with what intentions Russia is again committing hacker attacks against the United States
              The National Interest (USA): no, Russian aggression in the Baltics will not be a repetition of the Crimean model
              Russia Follows: Why Ukraine and Georgia Should Join NATO (The National Interest, USA)

              And a bunch of articles. Since when has this resource become a lobbying branch of RT? I would say that given author was marked by a neutral attitude towards Russia. But in the eyes of Westerners, this is already a mortal sin.
              1. alex5450 Offline alex5450
                alex5450 (Alex L) 7 June 2021 21: 56
                -1
                That's how much I don't read NTI, I don't find any anti-Russian message there. On the contrary, directly or veiled, either a direct pro-Russian line is given under various slopes (I already wrote above what it consists of - you have to be friends, otherwise it’s a helluva lot of scary), or veiled (we are so weak, we spend a lot of money, but there’s no point, but you can be friends. ..).
                And the Russian media likes it so much (a coincidence!) That TNI is one of the most cited publications on the Russian Internet, "The Americans Recognized ..." ))

                But in general, something like this:

                Center director Dmitry Simes (Dima Simis, an emigrant from the USSR) worked as Nixon's assistant and for decades used his connections with the Kremlin - real or perceived - to create a reputation in Washington as one of the few Russians who know the politics of this country well. Over the years, the Center for National Interest has partnered with the government-funded Russian Institute for Democracy and Cooperation, a New York-based institution whose head Adranik Migranyan was personally appointed by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.In 2013, Simes graced the stage with Putin at the International Discussion Club Valdai .... At Valdai, Putin called Simes his "American friend and colleague" ....

                Now he is a regular guest on Russian television, he leads some kind of "Big Game". In general, there is one in the board and is not particularly encrypted, since there is practically nothing to present to the American side of TNI.
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 June 2021 22: 43
                  +2
                  That is, the US presidential aide had close ties with the Kremlin. It is not clear how an emigrant had an entrance to the Kremlin. Well, not the point. Nixon, Trump or direct agents of the Kremlin or they are surrounded by agents of the Kremlin. By the way, Kissinger also worked there at one time. Another Kremlin agent. Poor States. And the Institute for Democracy and Cooperation in the States was closed in 2015. He worked from 2007 to 2015. Only 8 years old.

                  That's how much I don’t read TNI, I don’t see the Russian orientation. I gave examples of articles. On the contrary, all the articles (most) are about how to stop Russia. And if someone participates in Russian political broadcasts, then it is clearly an agent of the Kremlin.
                  Don't you think that the era of "witch hunt" never ends.

                  20 million views per month, cited by well-known Western news agencies. Quite famous people are involved in writing articles. Or is the US Secretary of Defense also an agent of the Kremlin? It's all the same "trash heap". For God's sake - don't read if you don't want to. And if this publication writes about the strength of Russia, then for you it is an indicator of betrayal of the interests of the West.
                  Haven't you heard the phrase "There is no prophet in his own country"?

                  You can discuss the identity of the author of the article. He has repeatedly offered to be friends with Russia. Well. The picture is quite clear. For you personally, normal relations between the United States and Russia are terrible. Anyone who suggests it is ostracized. There are also many people in Russia (and on this site) who propose enmity instead of friendship.

                  I look at my opponents in a very selective position. What you don't like is not necessary to consider. Pasted a label and it's in the bag. What is the essence of the article? America needs to end its support for Ukraine. What's wrong? Recently, French deputies sent a request to the French Foreign Ministry demanding an explanation "why France supports the Nazis of Ukraine"? Are they also agents of the Kremlin? The states will throw Ukraine anyway. It's unavoidable. So the article is written correctly.

                  But I don’t insist. If you don't want to, don't read. But I remain of the opinion that the publication is quite authoritative. And if I personally do not agree with something, then in any case I don’t stick to labels and try to beat my opponent’s argumentation.
  4. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 4 June 2021 14: 49
    -5
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Neither the United States nor Europe will stop supporting Ukraine - this is more than obvious. The format may change. Ukraine is a strategic victory in the fight against Russia. This is also obvious.

    Explain what kind of victory will the United States and Europe win by continuing to support Ukraine? what should it contain, and it will definitely not be Russia, was the West striving for this? is this its victory?

    And you have a strange logic.
    1. Ukraine is not together with Russia. That's enough already.
    2. Politically Ukraine is an enemy of Russia. This is already a bonus to the victory.
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 4 June 2021 15: 26
      +6
      1.Ukraine is not together with Russia, this is enough "enough for what? And when was Ukraine with Russia? Since the collapse of the USSR, they were economically tightly connected with Russia, but politically looked at the West, and this sitting on 2 chairs comes to an end
      2. "Political enemy, this is a bonus to victory" what is the bonus and to what victory? Do you answer abstractly, is there a concrete answer?
  5. ibn.shamai Offline ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai (Vanya and the bear.) 4 June 2021 15: 47
    +4
    All this is good .... but. The United States needs Ukraine as an anti Russia! What will be inside them deeply spit, democracy or even feudalism, if only Russia crap! But the signal is good.
  6. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 4 June 2021 15: 55
    -3
    Quote: ibn.shamai
    All this is good .... but. The United States needs Ukraine as an anti Russia! What will be inside them deeply spit, democracy or even feudalism, if only Russia crap! But the signal is good.

    I think it's obvious.
  7. Heroes Heroes Offline Heroes Heroes
    Heroes Heroes (Sergei) 4 June 2021 16: 04
    +2
    Hopefully 6-ke named Ze, at least at the end will be informed?
    Although what am I talking about?
  8. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 4 June 2021 16: 05
    -5
    1.Ukraine is not together with Russia, this is enough "enough for what? And when was Ukraine with Russia?"

    It was just a part of Russia (the empire), but after the collapse of the USSR, the question became - together, neutral or against. The West got the maximum result for itself - against.

    Crimea is what this whole Maidan color revolution was conceived, the Americans took it away from under their noses

    It's naive. Maidan, like the policy of the West in general, was aimed at the whole (!) Of Ukraine. It turned out without the Crimea. It didn't work out to the maximum.

    I repeat once again, without Crimea and the status of a transit country, no one needs it.

    Are you serious? Poland does not have Crimea and transit, Hungary does not ... Bulgaria ... the Baltic states, Georgia, Moldova ... Belarus ...
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 4 June 2021 16: 43
      +3
      Are you serious? Poland does not have Crimea and transit, Hungary does not ... Bulgaria ... the Baltic states, Georgia, Moldova ... Belarus ...

      The population of these countries dreams of dumping or dumps anyone who has the opportunity over the hill, while being for the more prosperous countries of old Europe an ordinary market for their goods, the path of Ukraine as from one of the richest republics of the Union to an agrarian power of the level of these countries is a shame, and there is absolutely nothing to be proud of
  9. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 4 June 2021 16: 16
    -3
    There are not enough resources for existence, the system is not stable, the pendulum will inevitably swing in one direction.

    Yes. So what? Ukraine will become a satellite of Russia? Not! Russia also does not have the resources for this, and a significant number of Ukrainians will not have the desire. Ukrainians will not forgive Russia for their humiliation (well, they will not understand that they themselves are the initiators of this)
    1. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 4 June 2021 18: 51
      +2
      SatelliteLit (rightly so) is needed in order to correct the "center of mass", to make the system more stable ... Every year, the present Ukraine can give less and less to this or that system ... Therefore, it can no longer be a "prize", or its "value" is declining exponentially ...
      The entire policy of Russia since 2004 has been following the path of removing dependence on Ukraine, excluding it from production, logistics and commodity chains ...
      It can be compared to the athlete dropping the chains entangling him ...
      This is the victory of Russia ...
  10. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 4 June 2021 17: 02
    -7
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Are you serious? Poland does not have Crimea and transit, Hungary does not ... Bulgaria ... the Baltic states, Georgia, Moldova ... Belarus ...

    The population of these countries dreams of dumping or dumps anyone who has the opportunity over the hill, while being for the more prosperous countries of old Europe an ordinary market for their goods, the path of Ukraine as from one of the richest republics of the Union to an agrarian power of the level of these countries is a shame, and there is absolutely nothing to be proud of

    So what? Did I ask what they are? They are part of the collective west. All these arguments about how bad it is in Eastern Europe and the population is fleeing to the West is ridiculous! The population of most of Russia, if it has not yet fled to several large cities, is dreaming about it ... How do you like this parallel? We draw a conclusion - no one needs 2 \ 3 of Russia.
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 4 June 2021 17: 59
      +3
      How do you like this parallel?

      Absolutely delusional, to compare migration between countries and within one country, drawing conclusions that a part of the country from which they migrate is not needed. Apart from the name "collective" there is nothing collective in it, Bulgaria wanted to build a gas pipeline, they did not give it, Germany wanted, they could not ban it , and where is collectivism and equality here? All that they have collective is Russophobia, otherwise a clear division of labor, Poles wash toilets in Germany, and in Poland Ukrainians.
  11. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 4 June 2021 18: 58
    -1
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    How do you like this parallel?

    Absolutely delusional, to compare migration between countries and within one country, drawing conclusions that a part of the country from which they migrate is not needed. Apart from the name "collective" there is nothing collective in it, Bulgaria wanted to build a gas pipeline, they did not give it, Germany wanted, they could not ban it , and where is collectivism and equality here? All that they have collective is Russophobia, otherwise a clear division of labor, Poles wash toilets in Germany, and in Poland Ukrainians.

    ... wash toilets. This is how it works everywhere, no need to pretend that you do not notice it. Or are the toilets being washed or the streets are being swept by Muscovites? And there is no fundamental difference between migration in the Russian Federation and in the European Union. People everywhere are looking for a better place because Moscow is made up of people who have come in large numbers. And the interests between the subjects of the federation do not always coincide and are far from always resolved successfully, and the difference in the standard of living can be enormous.
    1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 4 June 2021 20: 14
      +1
      In M. Obl. along the highways Kievka and N. Riga 10 rows each, completely cottages, townhouses, duplexes. The high-rise buildings are beautiful and colorful. On the side of the megamall. And I remember when there were villages with gray fences ... laughing
  12. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 4 June 2021 19: 29
    -5
    Quote: House 25 Sq. 380
    SatelliteLit (rightly so) is needed in order to correct the "center of mass", to make the system more stable ... Every year, the present Ukraine can give less and less to this or that system ... Therefore, it can no longer be a "prize", or its "value" is declining exponentially ...
    The entire policy of Russia since 2004 has been following the path of removing dependence on Ukraine, excluding it from production, logistics and commodity chains ...
    It can be compared to the athlete dropping the chains entangling him ...
    This is the victory of Russia ...

    In some ways I agree * completely agree with the satellite). You indicated 2004 as the starting point - this is already after the fact, when geopolitically Russia has already lost to Ukraine and began to minimize the damage. Crimea, by the way, is a success, but within the framework of the very minimization of damage. Ukraine will be kept in the orbit of the West only so that it does not go east. This is a parody of the multi-vector Old Man. Everything is as old as the world.
    1. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
      Rico1977 (Alexander) 4 June 2021 23: 02
      +3
      Interesting conversation. Let me add. They wrote to you right here - under Yanukovych, the chance for unification with "Ukraine" was minimal. And now, oddly enough, these chances have increased. And the lower the standard of living in Ukraine, the higher the chances for the unification of all Russian lands into one state. This will happen in the next 10 years. There will be much fewer people in Ukraine, but it's for the better. Because it will put an end to the age-old Khokhlyatsky cunning and "multi-vector". And in fact, you were rightly told - "Ukraine" is just a small, albeit important, puzzle of the Russian picture. But the question here is more global than the unification of the Russian lands. This is a global and long-term struggle for Europe.
      1. Digital error Offline Digital error
        Digital error (Eugene) 4 June 2021 23: 41
        0
        Quote: Rico1977
        And now, oddly enough, these chances have increased. And the lower the standard of living in the ruin, the higher the chances for the unification of all Russian lands into one state

        Maybe this was the original plan of Western strategists playing "for a long time" - to hang on Russia the bankrupt post-Soviet regimes on the verge of a new technological revolution? Well, so that we do not exactly "catch up and overtake them," but be concerned about how to "feed the returned fraternal peoples"?
    2. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 5 June 2021 02: 09
      +1
      Russia and Ukraine since 1991 are different states ... You cannot "lose" what you do not have ...
  13. SemVale Offline SemVale
    SemVale (Vale) 4 June 2021 22: 19
    -5
    The old pro-Putin trick is to throw in your made-up information from the outside,
    and then build conspiracy theories on it.
    Who can RECOMMEND to the US President? Skabeeva?
    Support for Ukraine, as well as sanctions for Russia, are only increasing.
    1. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
      Rico1977 (Alexander) 4 June 2021 23: 09
      +4
      Will not increase. Nobody will support 30 million people in Ukraine. Neither the United States nor the EU. And the stock of sanctions is practically exhausted. All the following sanctions will hit the West even harder than Russia. The most they can do now is to create chaos on the territory of Little Russia. Most likely this will end. This is beneficial for the United States, but it is not beneficial for the EU and Russia, and therefore they will quickly end this situation. How - the future will show, but it will be fast enough. Some years.
      1. SemVale Offline SemVale
        SemVale (Vale) 4 June 2021 23: 13
        -7
        What is Little Russia? The project is closed. Russia has already caused chaos in the LPNR.
        Are you an analyst strategist?
        Write a review, we will laugh together.
        You don't need to support anyone. You just need not to interfere.
        30 million is it on the subconscious of the readers? laughing
        1. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
          Rico1977 (Alexander) 4 June 2021 23: 22
          +3
          Read about the first and draw analogies. And about Little Russia you're wrong. There is a process of not just unification of lands, but the process of removing from the semantic contexts such concepts as "Ukraine" and "Ukrainian". This is all artificial and will quickly disappear without support. Moreover, nothing good will be associated with these concepts for people living in this territory. "Ukrainians" did everything to associate it only with the negative - poverty, shame, collapse, theft, war, betrayal, fear, deception, cruelty. And they don't like to use names with such associations. But how will this territory be called? Little Russia is the historical name of this land, and this name was given by the Poles, therefore, most likely we will return to this. And the "Ukrainians" will suddenly disappear, as in the Crimea. It's more fashion than identity.
          1. SemVale Offline SemVale
            SemVale (Vale) 4 June 2021 23: 26
            -6
            The historical name is Muscovy, or the Golden Horde Khanate.
            Don't tell me, I just drank beer.
            1. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
              Rico1977 (Alexander) 4 June 2021 23: 42
              +5
              You probably either drank too much beer or do not know the History at all. We were called Muscovy only and exclusively by Polish-Lithuanian propaganda since the 16th century. All the others, both before and after, called us Rus, Gardarika, Ross, Rusia, Rusland.
        2. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
          Rico1977 (Alexander) 4 June 2021 23: 24
          +1
          And no one bothers you. The whole world is with you? Or how? But something is still not very good at it.
        3. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
          Rico1977 (Alexander) 4 June 2021 23: 25
          +3
          How many are you? When was the last time you took the census? BUT? And why?
          1. Cherry Offline Cherry
            Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 5 June 2021 08: 10
            0
            The last time was in 2001. We planned for this year, but postponed to 2023 because of covid, as it were.
        4. Cherry Offline Cherry
          Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 5 June 2021 08: 05
          +3
          Chaos in the LDNR was caused by Turchinov, the acting president! You shouldn't blame it on Russia.
  14. Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) 5 June 2021 01: 53
    +1
    CIA will stop working with Ukraine on subversive activities in Russia ???

    This joke reminded of the unforgettable ones - Mikhail Zhvanetsky and Mikhail Zadornov.
    Especially - Zadornova.
  15. Radar62 Offline Radar62
    Radar62 (Novel) 5 June 2021 08: 53
    0
    Ha! So what if Ukraine is a "son of a bitch"?
    The main thing is their son of a bitch. Such an alignment has never stopped the United States. Something like this, slightly paraphrasing.