Nord Stream 2. Complete, unconditional and final victory for Gazprom


Some News in one line: 1) Germany allowed the construction of the Nord Stream 2 to continue; 2) the Biden administration decided to abandon sanctions against SP-2 (the American agency Axios writes about this with reference to two sources at once, informed about the decision of the head of the White House, the wording is contrary to national interests); 3) The US State Department intends to impose sanctions against four ships that are building Nord Stream 2 (this is reported by Politico, citing its own sources); 4) SWIFT confirmed to the Central Bank that there are no risks of disconnecting Russia from the system. This was stated by the 1st Deputy Chairman of the Central Bank Olga Skorobogatova during a meeting of the working group of the State Duma Committee on the Financial Market; 5) The German Foreign Ministry confirmed the refusal by the United States of sanctions against the operator of the SP-2 gas pipeline Nord Stream 2 AG and its general director, a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany, Matthias Waring; 6) Trump's party submitted to Congress a new bill on total sanctions against Nord Stream 2; 7) The US Treasury Department imposed sanctions against 13 Russian ships that are laying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Also, four organizations from the Russian Federation were included in the sanctions list. At the same time, the sanctions list does not include the operator of the Northern Channel-2, as well as other German companies that are associated with the project.


Does nothing on this list bother you? I have only one question, what does the new Republican bill against Nord Stream 2 do there? Indeed, until now, sanctions against SP-2 were the prerogative of the Democrats, and the Trumpists resisted this as best they could. The leader of the Republicans in the Senate, Mitch McConnell, was even nicknamed Moscow Mitch for this (for his inexplicable love for the Kremlin). From this we can draw an obvious, but paradoxical conclusion - Russophobia in American politics is not purposeful. policies White House, but serves only as an instrument of internal political struggle. For a long time, the United States has not seen Russia as an enemy that threatens American domination, with which it is necessary to purposefully fight as a top priority. Under Trump, the Kremlin's agents were Republicans. Under Biden, the Democrats took their place. As they say, nothing personal - the law of conservation of energy. The cycle of Russophobia in nature.

Feint ears with US national interests


Biden considered that the sanctions against the operator of the "Nord Stream-2" Nord Stream-2 AG and German gas consumers are contrary to national interests. Friendship with the FRG for the United States turned out to be more important than the war with the Russian Federation. Biden is rebuilding Trump's shattered relationship with major allies. And he has not yet met with Putin! It is possible that, in the name of national interests, he will not wipe himself up with Ukraine (I myself don’t believe in this, but what the hell is not joking? It’s important what he will demand in return). But the issue with Nord Stream 2 is closed. There is nothing more on the way of its completion. At least for the next 90 days. For those who are not in the know, I report that the State Department reports to Congress on the implementation of the laws it has passed once a quarter. He will have to report on his next steps in this direction only in September. By that time, the construction of the SP-2, I think, will have already been completed with a probability of 120%. As of the current moment, TUB "Fortuna" on the "B" branch has already finished laying pipes in the Danish section and switched to German (there she has to lay 13,6 km, at a laying speed of 1,21 km / day, consider yourself!). On the "A" line of the KMTUS "Akademik Chersky" in the Danish exclusive economic the zone still needs to go about 63 km, and on the German section, finish off the remaining 14,4 km (at a laying speed of 3,15 km / day, this is for a month of work, even in very bad weather). Now it is calm on the Pomeranian coast, the brigades are working tirelessly, fines are provided for disrupting the laying schedule. Everything suggests that by the time Frau Merkel surrenders her powers on September 26, 2021, SP-2 will be completed. We will see how Putin will bypass possible problems with its certification, licensing and commissioning. I think that gasket firms with a charter capital of $ 1 and a staff of two people will appear again.

We have already seen how "harshly" the Americans dealt with Umka and 12 other Russian courts that fell under the sanctions of the State Department. How they politely bowed to the Federal State Budgetary Institution "Marine Rescue Service" (MSS), participating in the project, too. For those who are not in the know, I report that the US Treasury punished the MCC and any organization where it owns 50 or more percent of the shares, only for SP-2 and TP (Turkish Stream), leaving other types of its financial activities outside the zone of application sanctions. Everything has been said about Putin's friend, a former employee of the Stasi (Stasi is the secret police of the GDR, an analogue of the KGB), and now the director of Nord Stream-2 AG. Okay, even if Matthias Waring is a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany, with which Biden does not want to quarrel, but the operator company Nord Stream-2 AG itself is registered in Swiss jurisdiction. Is Biden also afraid of ruining relations with Switzerland?

How Biden bypassed the law of the US Congress, this is "finally a separate spot"! I myself thought (and wrote about it) that this is impossible. Sanctions against SP-2 were carried out by amendments to the US Defense Budget for 2021, for which both houses of Congress voted on January 1, 2021, overcoming the president's veto for this (which happened for the first time during the Trump administration). Biden was put in a situation where, in order to repeal this law, it was necessary to pass a new one, because the laws of Congress are not regulated by presidential decrees, and in Congress there is complete consensus on this matter - both "elephants" and "donkeys" with all their hooves (or that there they still have) were for sanctions against the hated Russia. If at the same time Germany also suffers, then the "elephants" were also satisfied (which we immediately saw!), Even allies are drowned in the struggle for survival, expensive gas will make European products uncompetitive in comparison with the products of American manufacturers (and the Germans are competitors to Americans , primarily in the American domestic market). In the situation of the global world crisis of the entire capitalist system, only one can survive, and it is somehow even stupid to accuse the Republicans, who stand up for the priority of national interests, that they want the United States to be this one.

For all Biden's love for Frau Merkel, the situation was hopeless. So it seemed to me. I never imagined that the White House could ignore the law of the US Congress, citing national interests. However, it turned out that nothing is impossible in this world. The State Department has beautifully handled the US Congress, vowing that the next time will return to this issue no later than 90 days, when the SP-2 is already completed.

Who scared us with the evil and vengeful old man Biden? In fact, the old man turned out to be a kind-hearted man. That's when Alzheimer's help. Remembers nothing! What kind of Ukraine? .. I don't know. And where is it? .. What kind of Poland? .. Our friend? So what? .. What kind of "Nord Stream-2"? .. I don't know anything. Yes, God bless him. Let it be ... Putin? Russia? .. I remember these. Scary people, wild country, hypersonic missiles. We need to negotiate, otherwise it will be too late ... So it turned out that if for Putin SP-2 is a matter of political prestige, then for Biden it is nothing more than a bargaining chip.

Shrewd Gazprom


Gazprom did not want to speed up its construction at all. Purely economically, it turned out to be even more profitable for him. You will laugh, but it is. The situation has developed in such a way that Russia can abandon the Ukrainian GTS even without SP-2. Moreover, in connection with the drop in production as a result of the systemic crisis complicated by the coronavirus infection, gas consumption in Europe has decreased. And it is not known whether rapid growth will follow this, since the EU is actively adopting regulations blocking hydrocarbon energy, declaring its stake on the development of hydrogen and other types of "green" energy. It looks, at least, strange, because the EU is erecting artificial obstacles on the way of hydrocarbon carriers to the European market, while having no alternative to them. If this suicidal policy continues, then some of the existing and emerging gas delivery capacities may turn out to be in general excessive.

In this sense, LNG, although more expensive than pipeline gas, makes it easier to maneuver in the directions and volumes of supply. In addition, Russian LNG is still cheaper than competitors. Gazprom has already hinted to its European partners that it is ready to abandon the SP-2, since the partners themselves treat the project as if only it needs it. At the state level in the EU, only Germany defended the SP-2, and even then not always consistently. The rest pretended that it was none of their business, and that not their French, Austrian and other companies were involved in the project.

However, the Kremlin almost immediately disavowed these timid hints from Gazprom. Which once again confirmed the fact that the political and economic components of the project were at least equal in importance for the participants in the global confrontation. If Gazprom, based on purely economic preferences, at the moment would not mind to mothball the construction site and wait until better times, then for the Russian Federation, as a state, such a decision is in fact unacceptable. Because all over the world it will be perceived as a defeat for Russia in a direct confrontation with the United States. Accordingly, not only the political authority of the Kremlin will be undermined, but also the possibilities for the development of trade and economic cooperation, and not only in the European direction. Therefore, Putin is undoubtedly glad that the decision to complete the SP-2 was successfully pushed through. He kept his promises to Frau Merkel.

How Gazprom got "boiled over" at the same time, will be discussed in the next text. To be continued.
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  1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 29 May 2021 08: 43
    0
    Does nothing on this list bother you?

    Personally, I am a little embarrassed how, on this portal, at first, the Western "partners" are spat viciously, to put it mildly, and then they rejoice violently when these same "partners" manage to add their own gas or get them to make any concessions, even if they are quite trifling.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Wolf) 29 May 2021 19: 11
      +1
      personally, what do you dislike about this situation? for you, any success of the Russian Federation is a bone in your throat? do you receive a salary in dollars or in rubles? if in dollars, follow the sherkhan, he clearly told you his position, if in rubles, then you should be happy, and not dripping on the keyboard with sulfuric acid, but if you get your salary in zlotys, then I understand your sadness, khan to you!
      1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 29 May 2021 20: 33
        -5
        Here, personally, I can advise you to go and watch the newsreel of the "joint parade in Brest" in 1939. There are also Krivoshein and Guderian on the podium.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Wolf) 29 May 2021 22: 51
          0
          and what has the parade to do with it? you have already wiped your nose there, you seem to have even admitted your ashipka that they drove out the demon with the parade, what else is needed?
          1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 30 May 2021 11: 38
            -1
            The parade is an example of the fact that you understand history, how the ox-horse understands oranges, that is, nothing at all.
            I was inaccurate in saying that I admitted. A-horse just completely fucked up, after which,

            and we will write it down - left the answer, pretended to be d * cancer
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Wolf) 30 May 2021 17: 43
              0
              I am not paid for communicating with you, I myself decide with whom to talk and with whom not
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 29 May 2021 20: 28
      -1
      Personally, I am a little embarrassed by how, on this portal, at first, the Western "partners" are spit viciously, to put it mildly,

      What are these "partners"? belay
      This, my friend, consumers .Consumers considering their benefits. repeat
      Viciously bargaining for their profits, suing at every opportunity to change the agreement in their favor.

      It's just that Europe needs gas, preferably cheaper and without force majeure.
      The rest is lyrics.
      1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 29 May 2021 20: 56
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        Consumer-Buyer Partners.
        And the buyer is always right, as you know.
        If you are not right, then do not have anything to do with him. You cannot love the euro so much and at the same time hate those who pay you with it.

        This, my friend ...

        Fortunately, I'm not any "my friend" for you. If I had such a "son", I would have hanged myself.
        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 29 May 2021 22: 24
          +2
          And the buyer is always right, as you know.
          If you are not right, then do not have anything to do with him. You cannot love the euro so much and at the same time hate those who pay you with it.

          Not always, no need to distribute stupid cliches.
          The buyer has the right to choose (allegedly)
          Although this is a fairy tale for naive fools.

          You do not understand at all in business, otherwise you would not be carrying outright nonsense. No.

          Fortunately, I'm not any "my friend" for you. If I had such a "son", I would have hanged myself.

          Happiness is a relative concept.
          One forum acquaintance spoke, the poor fellow drowned. crying
          1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 30 May 2021 08: 03
            +3
            You along the way in business you don't understand at all

            "Great publicist-zhurnalizZD" in his speech uses in his speech frank garbage jargon "along the way."
            Fuuuu,: ((
            1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 30 May 2021 21: 45
              0
              I am not a trampoline area instructor. repeat
              This is your merci there - sorry, would you please from the trampoline directly on the asphalt ..

        2. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 29 May 2021 23: 39
          -2
          If I had such a "son", I would have hanged myself.

          It's five :)
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 May 2021 09: 07
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    Yes, loot doesn't smell.
    No matter what they decide, the news will be peremoga .... and chaotic somehow.

    Shareholders come out happily sharing future profits ...
    Either Gazprom set its sights on building the second tower of Babel in St. Petersburg, they write ...
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 29 May 2021 21: 36
      -1
      Is your news exclusively criminal and funeral schedule for the week?

      The fate of those who were crushed, pushed through and squeezed out of SP-2 is sad.
      Failed shareholders bite their elbows. wink
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 May 2021 21: 40
        +1
        You wrote some nonsense. Eka everything is kinda black and white.

        Squeezed out - I do not follow.
        But since, they wrote, Gazprom wants to build the 2nd tower in St. Petersburg without completing the long-term construction of the first, which means it's not bad with the money ...
        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 29 May 2021 21: 43
          -1
          But since, they wrote, Gazprom wants to build the 2nd tower in St. Petersburg without completing the long-term construction of the first, which means it's not bad with the money ...

          On which fence did you read this?

          Eka everything is kinda black and white.

          I don't remember anything positive in your comments.
          Do you only have black paint in your arsenal?
          1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 May 2021 21: 48
            0
            It's difficult with you subcommenters.
            Tolley trolls at work only know how to cheat, or they can only read selectively ...

            1) Search in Yandex finds everything easily ...
            2) Purely your black fantasies.
            I have exactly the opposite - "it means it's not bad with money ...."
            1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 29 May 2021 22: 03
              -1

              I understand your Baltic sadness.
              Hegemon once again threw you, recognizing the inevitable.
              All efforts, vigils for Klava down the drain. laughing

              All that was left was to screech quietly after the fight.
              Sherkhan missed, the fate of the jackals is sad .. yes
              1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 May 2021 22: 09
                0
                I turned out to be right, trolls only know how to stupidly cheat, they have enough time even for troll pictures ...
                1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                  Ulysses (Alexey) 29 May 2021 22: 41
                  0
                  I turned out to be right, trolls only know how to stupidly cheat, they have enough time even for troll pictures ...

                  SP-2 will be completed. repeat

                  What turned out to be right Sergey Latyshev (Serge) ??
                  Cyber ​​fighter of the famous Baltic center.

                  This is your place and it's not for you to mumble about trolls.

                  PS And remember that you are nobody, you will be thrown into the lungs for the "national interests" of the United States. laughing
                  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 May 2021 23: 17
                    0
                    Trolls have long fought heroically against windmills.
                    Invented a cyber fighter, you attribute all sorts of nonsense to him and you are rude.

                    That's the whole point of trolls,
    2. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
      Kofesan (Valery) 29 May 2021 21: 51
      +2
      Previously, the surplus was chosen from the "raw materials producers" in favor of the "non-raw materials workers". As a result, both were equal. And there was no Babylonian foolishness and there was no unreasonable, well, unjust satiety of some specialists in comparison with others. But there were specialists.

      Now, of course, they continue to build communism (and what to call the mind-boggling difference in salary for Miller and Sechin and the "others"?), But only in a narrow circle close to the amp ... and there were no specialists left anywhere. Everything is imported. Well, almost everything.

      And soon the oligarchy will import the means for vomiting. To get drunk, accept, vomit and eat again, getting fresh pleasure.
  3. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 29 May 2021 10: 02
    +1
    With a high degree of probability, the northern stream will be completed, is it a victory? As if it were not Pyrrhic.
    The terms of construction and commissioning have doubled - what is it like, not to mention the existing sanctions that have not been canceled? Estimate the losses.
    Completing this is not even half the battle, this is only the beginning of the main events.
    Cross-border and carbon tax, restrictions on distribution networks through which gas will go to consumers and, therefore, on the filling of the pipe. In addition to the agreed price, there are always special conditions, including terms, volumes, prices, the exchange rate of payment and all sorts of things, including technical and political ones - the obligatory volume of transit through Ukraine and Poland, for example, about which no one except Gazprom knows.
    The case is dark, with a continuation. It's too early to talk about victory, let's see how things go.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Wolf) 29 May 2021 19: 30
      -1
      The terms of construction and commissioning have doubled - what is it like, not to mention the existing sanctions that have not been canceled? Estimate the losses.

      here I see obvious problems with mathematics, the project started in February 2017, when Nord Stream 2 AG (100% of shares belong to PJSC Gazprom) signed an agreement with the Swiss company Allseas, which owns unique pipe-laying vessels, to lay the underwater part of the gas pipeline. In April 2017, five more European companies entered the project in equal shares ($ 1 billion each) - French ENGIE, Austrian OMV, British-Dutch Royal Dutch Shell and two German Uniper and Wintershall, which signed an agreement with Nord Stream 2 AG. on long-term financing of the project in a 50/50 proportion. And only after that, in September 2018, the first pipes lay on the bottom of the Gulf of Finland. The deadline for the completion of construction was 2020, reaching the design capacity of 2024. The shift to the right occurred by 1,5 years, this is definitely not 2 times, during these 1,5 years Gazprom only earned on the absence of a pipe, moreover, this is just a profit exceeded 2 times exactly how it worked, I will tell you in the next. article

      Cross-border and carbon tax, restrictions on distribution networks through which gas will go to consumers and, therefore, on the filling of the pipe. In addition to the agreed price, there are always special conditions, including terms, volumes, prices, the exchange rate of payment and all sorts of things, including technical and political ones - the obligatory volume of transit through Ukraine and Poland, for example, about which no one except Gazprom knows.

      I see tovarisch here everything I knew I shoved, come on, tell us, dear, what obligatory volume of gas Gazprom must pump through Poland, and I will listen. Zero point and zero tenths! Read the 3rd energy package! Say hello to fellow Poles, with the launch of the SP-2, they will be able to hand over their pipe for scrap
      1. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
        Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 30 May 2021 09: 29
        +3
        The delay in construction and commissioning according to your opinion is beneficial for the Russian Federation. The sanctions imposed against the Russian Federation are also said to have benefited - import substitution and all that. Somehow all this is illogical, and what is illogical is wrong. Apparently because no one except the Russian Federation is happy about such a turn of affairs.
        The opponents of the Nord Stream are in the majority in the EU and will do everything possible to minimize the influence of the Nord Stream. Therefore, the completion of construction is not the end of history and it is clearly premature to talk about a victory, especially an unconditional one.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Wolf) 30 May 2021 17: 48
          -2
          prematurely to argue about anything! this is the first text, there will be two more, there is all the evidence that the delay (what kind of words is that? tovarisch from Ukraine?) in the construction of SP-1 only played into the hands of Gazprom
          https://topcor.ru/20080-hitryj-miller-i-lovkij-putin-kto-vyigral-na-zaderzhke-zapuska-severnogo-potoka-2.html
  4. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 29 May 2021 10: 38
    -3
    An unconditional victory in a couple of years! During this time, the United States forced the Russian Federation to renew the agreement on compulsory gas transit through Ukraine. And how much profit is lost and unnecessary expenses are not counted?
    And it's not autumn yet. There is no victory yet. Victory will come when the pipe starts to justify itself.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 29 May 2021 11: 24
      +4
      Victory will be when the pipe starts to justify itself.

      The pipe is already justifying itself. How much did the delay in the construction of JV2 cost Europe? I mean the price rises like crazy? I wrote last summer that the delay with SP2 is beneficial to Gazprom. This became obvious in the past heating season.
      The agreement with Ukraine is a purely political matter. Russian part of the agreement on the implementation of the Minsk agreements. At the same time, they signed both the protocol on this treaty and the protocol on the implementation of the Minsk agreements by Ukraine. Russia has fulfilled its part. But Zelensky could not. As a result, he showed everyone that he is not a politician or a leader. ... Now it begs for a conversation with Putin. All Western politicians directly point out that his place is at the bucket. Such scammers do not pass without leaving a trace.
      And thanks to SP2, Russia will be able in the near future to lower Poland, which has completely lost its head. They will change the leadership and come running to make up, squealing plaintively.
      And you yourself understand that from the transit of 40 billion cubic meters. m Ukraine itself is not delighted? It's just a sophisticated mockery. They even have nothing to steal, let alone keep the pipe in good working order.
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 29 May 2021 13: 01
        -6
        Quote: boriz
        And thanks to SP2, Russia will be able to lower Poland in the near future,

        Again, everything is possible, and not what is. You should know that there are many gas sellers and the growth of its production outstrips the growth of its consumption. The current surge in gas prices was an episode. But in reality, in the retrospective of five years, gas prices fell. The world is moving towards Green Energy. Naturally, gas will still be in debt as fuel, but its value will fall as the value of coal falls. The same Germany sharply reduced the purchase of coal from Kuzbass.
        Global gas consumption continued to grow in 2019 (+ 2,6%),
        Gas production grew at a steady pace for the third year in a row (+ 4% in 2019)
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 29 May 2021 13: 26
          +6
          Only the weak-minded people believe in green energy. So far, it has only led to an increase in prices. Those who have the greenest energy have the most expensive electricity. And the prices for mineral resources, first of all, for metals, went up. You were thrown as if underdeveloped.

          But in reality, in the retrospective of five years, gas prices fell.

          As they fell, they will grow. Why is it necessary to compare it with a period of 5 years? And look further away? Everything develops cyclically, but in the direction of increasing prices.
          And what about Germany? We have a problem, we cannot send enough coal to China. For 5 years, officials have been unable to build a 300 m long bridge across the Amur in the Jewish Autonomous Region (the Chinese part is ready). And all because the Rotenbergs were not connected. Would have stood for a long time. And it would be cheaper. And we need to replace Australia in the Chinese market. Here's the problem ...

          Global gas consumption continued to grow in 2019 (+ 2,6%),
          Gas production grew at a steady pace for the third year in a row (+ 4% in 2019)

          Here are just fewer and fewer people willing to supply gas to Europe. The Netherlands dropped out, Norway ends. Algeria, in addition to long-term contracts, did not supply a single cubic meter in winter. No optimism.
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 29 May 2021 17: 47
            -6
            Quote: boriz
            Only feeble-minded people believe in green energy

            You even lagged behind Russian reality along the way. We must be able to adapt more quickly to the official propaganda. Or has the Russian Federation not adopted a plan for the accelerated construction of chargers for electric vehicles, or is there a fight between the regions for the construction of a Tesla megafactor in the Russian Federation?
            Perhaps your statement about the "idiots" is your personal opinion. But there have always been retrogrades.
            There is such "The Russian government discussed plans for the development of electric transport in the country"
            Link https://russian.rt.com/russia/news/706302-pravitelstvo-plany-elektrotransport
            You understand with wolves to live like a wolf howl. RF is barely 1,5% of world GDP. There will be less than a percent soon. If the RF does not go in the stream, then being in the F will be permanent.
            A plant for the production of wind generators and solar parks has already been built in the Russian Federation. Of course, compared to the leaders in the topic, these are crumbs, but already move.
            In Estonia, for example, renewable energy is already 20% of electricity generation and parishes are inundated with applications for the construction of wind and solar parks. A plant for the production of the same wind turbines is under construction in Narva.
            If I have enlightened, I will be glad.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 29 May 2021 19: 45
              +4
              Electric cars are not yet green energy. The widespread development of electric transport is possible only after the start of industrial production of electricity by thermonuclear generation. And this, of course, is not for you. Here we can slowly prepare.
              They forgot to write what the blades for the wind farm Russia are doing for export. Lenin wrote about useful idiots in the West. Nothing new.
              As soon as you get into this adventure deeper, you will immediately understand. But there will be no turning back.
              Russia would also be able to handle green energy more easily than Europe, due to a single energy system. And for you this is khana. Can you imagine the state of prices, at least for copper? And what about the rest of the metals? This is all due to the green hysteria.
              Passion for green energy is an adventure worse than Khrushchev's voluntaristic projects.
              No one has yet imagined a normal calculation of this system as a whole, but everyone has already rushed, hair back, to build it, chopping off the ends back.
              For Russia, all these things are not a revelation. Produced "collective farm" versions of both wind and hydro power plants. in the 40s, 50s, early 60s. You did not come up with this, you have nothing to enter.
              Why are you silent about the price of electricity? Check out the price ratings in Europe. Who has the higher price? And your tiny country can't wait to kill itself? Germany has a margin of safety, but it fights against the USA with the last bit of strength for SP2. Probably not more stupid than you.
              Green energy is as much of a collapse of the global economy as the coronavirus. The idiots believe.
              1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                Vladest (Vladimir) 30 May 2021 00: 14
                0
                As you wish. Your opinion is also an opinion. But in the subject you are weak. You would have been trampled against the internal combustion engine for a horse 130 years ago.
                In Germany, there was a moment when the receipt of electricity from renewable energy sources was above 50%.
                Elon Musk has thousands of his electric charging stations in the USA. They all take energy from the panels. In the Southern States, a house cannot be built without panels. But your opinion has the right to life for the time being. And time is working against you.
                I think over time there will be no change in opinion of the problem.
                By the way, China is the leader in renewable energy sources. And not as you broadcast the stupid West.
                Here on the site you can read a lot of interesting things about RES and many other things, only news from the Russian Federation is not enough. https://hightech.plus/
                1. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 30 May 2021 00: 39
                  +1
                  In Germany, there was a moment when the receipt of electricity from renewable energy sources was above 50%.

                  And then they looked at how much this electricity costs and stopped.
                  And now they are fighting for SP2 with the United States the way they did not fight for Berlin with the Red Army.
                  I wrote to you to look at the rating of the cost of electricity. Then they would not write any nonsense.

                  In the Southern States, a house cannot be built without panels.

                  And did they help them a lot this winter?

                  I think over time there will be no change in opinion of the problem.

                  When it comes to you that it is time to change your opinion, nothing will depend on you.
                  The future lies not with your farm windmills and solar panels, but with tokamaks.
                  And renewable energy sources are good in their place in their conditions. In Yakutia, for example, on Dikson and in other pleasant places. That's where we have them. There (in Yakutia) international conferences are held on the integrated use of renewable energy sources, people come there for experience. The Egyptians are already embodying this experience in their own lives.
                  But you, of course, have not heard about this.
                  RES is an auxiliary topic. Transferring all the energy to it is like transferring all transport to pedal traction.
                  1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                    Vladest (Vladimir) 30 May 2021 08: 04
                    -1
                    Smart people have a place for everything that is sensible. Renewable energy sources are only at the beginning of the journey, which means that prices for equipment will fall. And there is no need to make the incident in the United States a rule. What has now begun is the transition from centralized energy production to dispersed ones. By supplementing the house with the Power Wall system, the owner can live without being connected to the networks at all. The process is in line for systems in the thousandths.
                    As for prices, I came across this "The price of electricity in Russia turned out to be higher than in the US and EU countries" True, this is for industry. https://www.amic.ru/news/482734/
                    Even at prices. The standard of living is determined primarily by the salary. In Estonia, prices may be higher than in Russia, and salaries are much higher.
                    The average salary is already almost 1500 euros. And you can see the prices here. https://www.globalprice.info/?p=estonia/tsenu-tallin-produkti
                    1. boriz Offline boriz
                      boriz (boriz) 30 May 2021 12: 42
                      +1
                      Our domestic electricity prices have nothing to do with real ones. Our main problem is getting out of the liberal system. Its representatives in our government are ruining our industry and economy in every possible way.
                      And when electricity is exported, it is cheaper not only than domestic prices in the Baltics, but also lower than in Ukraine.
                      Hence the income of the population. Characters such as Nabiulina and Siluanov pump the resources of the Russian Federation to the West. When this stops, everything will fall into place.
                      This is our main problem. That is why Putin is strengthening the army.
              2. AICO Offline AICO
                AICO (Vyacheslav) 5 June 2021 17: 07
                0
                There will never be such a thing - green energy! An average power plant consumes about 30 tons of various types of oil per month - this is transformer oil, respectively, for transformers, greases for support bearings of generators, it is also a turbine oil for lubricating and cooling turbine units. From green nothing electricity will not appear - this is such a global wiring for suckers, again, Texas can be remembered !!!
            2. shinobi Offline shinobi
              shinobi (Yuri) 29 May 2021 20: 25
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              Yeah, but electricity appears by itself. Just don’t pump about solar panels and wind turbines. Yankees this winter have taken a full sip of environmentally friendly. Thermal power plants in the next 50 years will not go anywhere, but they will have to be heated in all sorts of different ways. Hydrogen you say? Well, well, it still needs to be obtained, and it requires energy. Even taking into account the achievements in catalytic chemistry. In general, do not repeat the nonsense of the green.
            3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 29 May 2021 21: 30
              -1
              You even lagged behind Russian reality along the way. We must be able to adapt more quickly to the official propaganda. Or has the Russian Federation not adopted a plan for the accelerated construction of chargers for electric vehicles, or is there a fight between the regions for the construction of a Tesla megafactor in the Russian Federation?

              Um.
              Do you really know what ordinary Russian people don't know about ??laughing
              Our governor whined about Tesla.
              Once, Karl !!!
              The next day everyone forgot, because without this crap there is enough nonsense.

              Where do you get the "Russian reality" ??
      2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
        Volkonsky (Wolf) 29 May 2021 19: 34
        0
        thank you comrade Boriz, everything was accurately painted, this is how it will be, more on that in the next. two articles, I take off my hat to your awareness (I say without irony!). Your opponent Vladyest is dense as his idol Greta Tumberg, an adherent of the church of green energy
  5. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 29 May 2021 20: 12
    -1
    Hello colleagues! Your intelligent discussion inspired. You fly to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf, admire the windmills from 10 km.
    The hotel is amazing in a village, there is a gas tank on the side, the question, of course, is in English, where does the gas come from?
    The answer is Russland ... fellow
    1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 30 May 2021 18: 56
      +1
      A couple of anonymous people disagree, but as always, they don't write with what ...
  6. n.taratuhin Offline n.taratuhin
    n.taratuhin (Nikolay Taratukhin) 29 May 2021 23: 14
    0
    Someday, but not now
    We still recognize the Donbass.
    Biden suddenly promised us
    Relieve tension,
    He does not want to butt with us,
    I decided to refuse the sanctions,
    Well, bear with me a little,
    We will complete the Nord Stream,
    Then we will open our arms:
    "Welcome brothers to us!"
    And now we are looking over the hill,
    So as not to run into a reproach ...
    But Biden is a cunning gentleman
    Crimea will ask us in return,
    Then Putin, for sure, will get angry.
    And the deal will be immediately unstuck.
    Yes, apparently, everything will go wrong.
    Then we will remain with the nose.
    Complete darkness will come in business:
    Don't trust the Russians!
  7. FrankyStein Offline FrankyStein
    FrankyStein (FrankyStein) 30 May 2021 00: 01
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    Statements that it was economically profitable for Gazprom to delay or freeze construction are devoid of common sense and facts. I have already heard such assumptions before. Any protracted construction cannot be economically profitable, money is allocated, people are hired, equipment and materials are purchased.
  8. AICO Offline AICO
    AICO (Vyacheslav) 5 June 2021 16: 56
    0
    Victory will be when the Russian gas in Boshev's comforts will perform the dance of fire, but while the hen is in the nest, the egg is in #ope, and you will harness the cart for the steam locomotive !!!