The West refuses to think about the Third World War because of Ukraine


The Ukraine 30. Country Security forum that took place not so long ago in Kiev can rightfully be considered one of the best comic shows organized by Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his “team”. The speeches delivered at this event by its participants (including personally by the President of the country) should be interpreted either as outright clownery, or, if, God forbid, all this was said seriously - as undoubted evidence of the utter inadequacy of the speakers.


As it is already clear from the name of this "get-together", it was, as usual, about "aggression", "defense", membership in the North Atlantic Alliance and some other, much more real prospects of "nezadezhnoy". It turned out to be extremely enticing and very instructive ...

Shish you, not World War III because of Ukraine!


Answering a question asked to him during a press conference held within the framework of Ukraine 30 as to whether the country is ready for a “full-scale Russian invasion,” Volodymyr Zelenskyy began, as usual, to carry the duty crap about “heroic and powerful military men” who, they say, , are indestructible at the borders. But in the end, he agreed to the most complete absurdity. According to him, in the event "if Moscow still goes for it, there will be a world war." What does this passage testify to? Yes, only that the Ukrainian leader continues to be in unshakable confidence about the truth of O. Bender's formula: "Abroad will help us!" And it will not just help, but will actually rush into battle, defending the "integrity and sovereignty" of the wretched "nezalezhnoy".

A strange thing is that there are so many signals, or, as figures like Zelenskyy chirp in their bird language tainted by Anglicism, the "message" about the complete unwillingness to participate on the side of Ukraine in the armed conflict with Russia, which Kiev received at least recently, should have would be enough for the eyes of individuals with the most severe developmental delays. What was the cost of one visit to Blinken's country with Nuland, who made it very concretely clear that further expressions of "concern" and even "indignation" that did not touch the stone heart of the Kremlin, Washington was not in a single situation of conflict unfolding along the "Kiev-Moscow" axis, will not move a hair. However, as you can see, it does not reach. Representatives of the Ukrainian government, like little parrots trained in just a couple of phrases, continue to repeat about the West's “all-embracing support” and its “unbreakable determination” to fight for Ukrainian “interests”.

Honestly, this is already beginning to remind an old parable about a very alternatively gifted character, who (solely for the purpose of enlightenment) was beaten on the head with a stick, and he only blinked and wondered: "Where is this knocking ?!" Not so long ago, the Washington Post, which is difficult to reproach for being a tabloid leaflet, printing whatever comes to mind, and not an organ of quite certain layers of US politics, came out with an article in which the most, that neither is openly interpreted what exactly awaits Ukraine in the event that it gets into its head in relations with Russia from belligerent speeches to get down to business. “If Kiev acts as an aggressor, it may not count on the protection of the United States or NATO” - the title, which is already being translated, hits, as they say, on the spot. That is, how is it - "Ukraine-aggressor" ?! And so, imagine. In its article, the publication refers to many experts, moreover, which is typical, not even American, but British, that is, representatives of the country who take an even tougher and more irreconcilable position on the confrontation between Kiev and Moscow than the United States.

It turns out that the local "smart people" from various organizations - from the British Defense Academy to King's College London regularly hold some "staff games" during which they simulate various scenarios of the "hot" phase of confrontation in eastern Ukraine, turning into a direct military clash with Moscow. The result is just like in the advertizing everyone in the teeth from the 90s - "consistently excellent." Speaking specifically, the uttermost military defeat of Kiev, which is completely in vain counting on the armed intervention of the West in the mess it has started. Nobody intends to start a world war over Kiev. Yes, yes - for some reason, in the quiet of their own offices, British and American analysts (who are also attracted to these virtual “battles”) immediately cast aside Russophobic cliches and consider exclusively situations, the “starting point” of which is the outbreak of war by the Ukrainian side.

The steadfast tin Zelensky


However, there is nothing to be surprised at here - who, if not Western puppeteers, know the true essence of their own puppets. Based on the scenarios set out in the Washington Post as an example, worked out by experts, most of all Kiev's overseas "friends" are worried about the fact that sooner or later the situation there may finally get out of control, and the radicals who have come to power will not think of anything better than to start. an offensive in Donbass, to which Moscow will simply have to react. That is, in the West, Ukraine is not considered a reliable, predictable, or fully controlled "partner." And if this is the case, then there can be no talk of "NATO membership", about which the same Zelensky has been cracking up lately. However, the relatively sane representatives of Kiev admit this themselves. The same head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry Dmitry Kuleba, for which a Russophobe and "Euro-Atlanticist" to the marrow of his bones, is forced to admit: there is no plan of action for the membership of the "nezalezhnaya" at the upcoming summit of the Alliance in June.

And the whole point here, according to the minister, is in "some of its members, who are guided by the logic that it is better not to irritate Russia" and prefer "to sit and do nothing so as not to disturb the peace of Moscow." No, Pan Kuleba, of course, intends to "start a discussion and start a process" which, as he believes, "sooner or later will bring Ukraine the MAP." Well, in this case, "early" is a hundred years from now. Or something like that ... In fact, none of the representatives of the "nezalezhnoy" was even invited to the very summit, about which its chief diplomat is speaking. “Members only” - no exceptions. However, Zelensky's office continues to assure that "the Ukrainian issue will be discussed in any case." Well, yes - they have no other problems there ...

However, the president of the “nezalezhnoy” himself, it seems, is slowly beginning to see clearly the meaning of the frivolous saying: “Promising is not the same as marrying” in relation to himself and the “state” he heads. It was not for nothing that during the same forum “Ukraine 30” he suddenly started talking about the fact that in vain, they say, “until now, in the issue of national security, everything has been focused exclusively on the military component”. It turns out that the country is simply vital - it is the "National Concept of Resilience", the development of which is right now beating the best minds of the presidential team. In fact, for the Ukrainians who survive in the current conditions of complete collapse economics, medicine, law enforcement and everything else, only exceptional vitality and incredible resourcefulness allows, it sounds like a uniform mockery. Where else is it!

However, Zelensky, saying that the country needs to provide "stable" systems, for example, water supply, food supply or public transport, for some reason says that this is what "will bring the country closer to NATO standards and help it become a component of the global security system of the Alliance ”. That is, it is already blatant nonsense. Where is the water supply - and where is NATO ?! The comic president, apparently, is already starting to get completely confused in meanings and concepts, losing touch with the surrounding reality. On the other hand, he answered the truth to at least one question asked by journalists during the event: “What are we going to do if they attack, and the West does not help? - To stand to the last ... "Naturally, to the last Ukrainian, on which policies the showman does not care deeply.

What else can be called among the most striking moments of Ukraine 30 is the speech of Colonel-General Ruslan Khomchak, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the “nezalezhnoy”. No, he began his speech, as befits his status - cheerfully and bravely: he began to assert that "all components of the country's security sector are currently ready to repel aggression at 100%." But then, somehow, suddenly "blown away" and began to say things completely indecent to the general. Namely, he admitted that "how it will go further, when the real battle begins," he "is completely unable to predict." A good commander-in-chief, there is nothing to say! It turns out that both he and his subordinates are ready for "indestructible defense" exactly as long as the "aggressor" exists exclusively in propaganda propaganda campaigns generated by the inflamed fantasy of Ukrainian politicians? And how will it come to a fight - there really "save yourself, who can" ?! This seems to be the case. At the same time, Khomchak added that, of course, according to common reasoning, "Kiev is much weaker than Moscow, and this is objective." According to him, the country does not have a military fleet at all ... And if something happens on the Black Sea, then there is perhaps that "NATO allies will intervene." Yes, do not interfere, how many times to repeat!

A real "masterpiece" demonstrating how Ukraine is actually "preparing for defense" and "strengthening its own security" can be considered the victorious report of the head of the State Pongran Service there, Sergei Deineko, about the completion of a truly titanic work carried out precisely for these purposes. It turns out that the construction of an "insuperable defense line" has been completed on the Ukrainian-Russian border. That is, a 400-kilometer-long ditch was dug, a metal fence was erected (albeit only 100 kilometers long), on top of which (again, not everywhere, but only on a section of 70 kilometers) a real barbed wire was also screwed up. Everything! Border is locked tight! The "tank hordes of the aggressor" will never overcome it! At the same time, the chief guard of the nezalezhnoy cordons does not ask questions about what to do with combat aircraft and missiles. Obviously, Pan Deyneko also has no idea about the modern means of clearing and overcoming obstacles in the arsenal of the engineering troops of Russia. So far, instead of "enemy tanks", which, in his opinion, should get bogged down in an "insurmountable" ditch, more than two billion hryvnias (over 5 billion rubles) of state money have safely "dropped" to the bottom of this completely useless structure from a military point of view.

Given the presence of such “unsurpassed strategists”, “brilliant commanders” and thieving lovers of “great construction projects” in the country's leadership, Ukraine really should develop, first of all, resilience. Naturally - against such "defenders", since you don't need any enemies with them.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 18 May 2021 10: 28
    +2
    The West's main task in Ukraine is to buy up its land on the cheap, so that later it can be rented out to the Ukrainians themselves and their "Monsants" at a high price. And so that there are fewer Ukrainians, 15 American military biological laboratories are working hard on the territory of Ukraine. And what kind of infection they can spread across Ukraine, only the Pentagon and the CIA know ...
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 18 May 2021 10: 56
      +2
      They may well add a reason for national Ukrainian pride. Will develop a new strain of the crown, which the diggers of the Black Sea were sick with laughing
  2. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
    aquarius580 18 May 2021 10: 51
    -2
    Some kind of adolescent scolding about a serious issue: the possibility of a nuclear conflict in the center of Europe.
    It is unworthy of a forum trying to get on a par with "VO".
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 18 May 2021 10: 54
      +1
      there will be no conflict because of these creatures laughing
      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 18 May 2021 10: 55
        0
        We just walked along the very edge. Biden backed off at the last minute.
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 18 May 2021 11: 06
          +3
          the edge was when the crest Khrushchev in Cuba decided to place nuclear weapons.
          1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
            Bulanov (Vladimir) 18 May 2021 11: 43
            +3
            And when the Irishman Kennedy in Turkey decided to deploy nuclear weapons, was that quite acceptable?
            1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
              Just a cat (Bayun) 18 May 2021 13: 00
              0
              did the appearance of nuclear weapons in Germany and Israel feel better? It is not known yet what is underwater and in orbit. The two-pronged primates in an embroidered shirt with a stinking slipper were no longer in power.
          2. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
            aquarius580 18 May 2021 12: 12
            -1
            Now there was an edge too; I forgot to tell you the TV, so as not to get nervous.
            1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
              Just a cat (Bayun) 18 May 2021 12: 53
              +2
              as the sectarians who decided to commit suicide in the hope of the end of the world when the year 2000 came? laughing follow the doctor's prescription and do not miss your medication laughing
            2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 18 May 2021 21: 49
              +2
              Now there was an edge too; I forgot to tell you the TV, so as not to get nervous.

              The edge was solely in the inflamed brains of the cyber warriors, stirring up a wave of fear.
              Including here.
              Russia slightly stretched its muscles and the mice scattered.

              PS Along the way, it became clear that the stinking overseas scavenger is not ready for a serious mess.
              And without him there is no one to fight.
    2. shinobi Offline shinobi
      shinobi (Yuri) 19 May 2021 04: 07
      +1
      Who and with whom will exchange nuclear strikes? Only France has its own nuclear weapons in Europe. The rest belongs to the United States, which it quietly takes out of harm's way. Do you seriously think that the Yankees or the French with nuclear weapons will overbalance to defend the outskirts?
      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 19 May 2021 09: 50
        0
        If you are a Russian, then it is strange that you have not studied your own military doctrine. It is based on the idea of ​​being the first to use nuclear weapons, and not just on the battlefield, but at "decision-making centers."
        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 20 May 2021 00: 10
          0
          You studied the military doctrine of Russia according to the principle "I see here, I don't see here, I wrap the fish here" ??
          It is clearly spelled out there, when and under what circumstances we will be the first to use nuclear weapons. repeat

          PS Potential suicide candidates need to learn them by heart.
          1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
            aquarius580 20 May 2021 00: 11
            0
            The principle itself is important: (a) application first; (b) not on the battlefield, but in headquarters.
            1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 20 May 2021 00: 19
              0
              The principle itself is important: (a) application first; (b) not on the battlefield, but in headquarters.

              A preemptive nuclear strike was not invented by us. repeat

              The destruction of enemy headquarters is of paramount importance in the planning of any military action.
              From offensive to defensive.
              This is the basics, it is not clear why you are so excited smile
              1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                aquarius580 20 May 2021 00: 25
                0
                That I am calm as a boa constrictor. I just clarified that my initial comment did not contain any errors. hi
        2. shinobi Offline shinobi
          shinobi (Yuri) 20 May 2021 03: 29
          0
          And who in their right mind will turn their attention to us? And ... do not turn the coolies. The West has been going at war for 70 years. In words.
          1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
            aquarius580 20 May 2021 04: 39
            -1
            Why did you surrender your empire in 1991? And how willingly they were destroying their own industry.
            1. shinobi Offline shinobi
              shinobi (Yuri) 20 May 2021 16: 23
              +1
              No one is safe from fools and cowards in power. Worry more about yourself. We will return ours anyway, but we have returned a lot.
              1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                aquarius580 20 May 2021 16: 26
                0
                You have nothing, dear man. Flip through the lists of boards of directors of all kinds of Rosneft and Gazprom. Americans, Germans, Arabs, etc.
                1. shinobi Offline shinobi
                  shinobi (Yuri) 20 May 2021 16: 30
                  0
                  Yes, blessed are those who believe. I can see what and how. You can write anything. And first of all, look at yourself who owns what.
    3. jack clubs Offline jack clubs
      jack clubs (Eugene) 19 May 2021 23: 06
      0
      Quote: aquarius580
      Some kind of adolescent scolding about a serious issue: the possibility of a nuclear conflict in the center of Europe.
      It is unworthy of a forum trying to get on a par with "VO".

      Exactly. Somehow it is forgotten that the main enemy in the international war of 18-22 was not the Americans or the Germans, another 14 states, but the whites, the former Russians. So today it is not the Americans who are scary, but the former Russians, who today are embittered and strongly motivated against Russia.
      Something like you, limited people, against Ukraine and other "useless" countries. Here's the puzzle and add up. Can we stop despising each other?
      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 19 May 2021 23: 48
        0
        I am Russian / Ukrainian by birth in exactly half. For me, who grew up in the Brezhnev USSR (Leonid Ilyich was a Ukrainian), what is happening is an absurdity of the highest category. Throughout the history of Ukraine's independence, the only pro-Ukrainian government was the government of Poroshenko-Groisman, for which it was mercilessly demolished with the help of "galabarotka". After the population, by a majority of three to one, contributed a professional clown to Bankovaya, for me all these territories (both Russia and Ukraine) are part of the unfortunate USSR, betrayed and sold by its own corrupt ruling class. They traded industrial superpower for golden toilets.
  3. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 18 May 2021 15: 42
    +2
    The collective west supports and will support Ukraine in all of its actions. Financial assistance from the IMF and the ECB alone amounts to tens of billions. Not disinterested, but the Russian Federation does not receive that either.
    Ukraine's membership in the EU and NATO is a matter of time and depends on the United States. Therefore, it is not surprising how any representatives of the United States are courted in Ukraine.
    As Vladimir Putin said, speaking before the federal assembly, the Russian Federation will draw its “red line” where and when and where it considers it necessary. Today, this is the main problem for the United States and an obstacle to Ukraine's admission to NATO.
    Therefore, the United States and NATO are probing and analyzing the reaction of the Russian Federation to all sorts of provocations and NATO military exercises near the borders of the Russian Federation, while the Russian Federation’s determination to draw a “red line” in Ukraine is somehow not yet visible. It's time to mark at least in the DPR-LPR.
    1. shinobi Offline shinobi
      shinobi (Yuri) 19 May 2021 04: 14
      +3
      These lines have been drawn for a long time, they just can't believe in them in the West. So they try to provoke. They get Lula. But it seems to be gradually coming. Hence the last demarches about the participation of NATO troops in a hypothetical conflict. There will be no participation. Absolutely. And support in words is nothing.
  4. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 18 May 2021 18: 07
    0
    However, the president of the “nezalezhnaya” himself seems to be beginning to slowly begin to see clearly

    But this is unlikely (c)
  5. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 19 May 2021 08: 52
    0
    Why and why have we been strenuously instilled in recent years with the idea that Ukraine is going to attack us (well, it seems that it has no one else to attack), that it wants to unleash World War III?
    1. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 19 May 2021 09: 24
      +2
      This is how the whole world made fun of the "possessed Fuhrer" in the late thirties, but he took and occupied the whole of Europe with almost no losses, and made its entire defense industry work for himself.
      1. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
        Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 19 May 2021 09: 39
        0
        I don’t want to offend, but this is how much "intelligence" is needed for believers in this and comparing today's Ukraine, its ambitions, and Germany, its army, industry, treaties with the USSR and the Axis countries, and the number of allies and the regime in the 30s. It's called bullshit.
        1. Valentine Offline Valentine
          Valentine (Valentin) 19 May 2021 10: 46
          +1
          Quote: Igor Berg
          and Germany, her army

          Until 1933, the army in Germany, as such, did not exist since the time of the Weimar Republic, and Hitler recreated it anew, already being chancellor, in FIVE years.

          Quote: Igor Berg
          It's called bullshit.

          - and you could have believed 30 years ago in such nonsense that Ukraine, our brotherly people, will soon become our worst enemy, so in our current and changing world not everything is as clear as we would like
      2. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 19 May 2021 09: 52
        +1
        Ukraine, without a single nuclear warhead, is going to attack the Russian Federation, which has at least 10000 nuclear warheads? Are you firmly convinced of what you write?
        1. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
          Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 19 May 2021 11: 02
          -2
          this is the Kremlin's doctrine to justify and cover up all kinds of all their actions
          1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
            aquarius580 19 May 2021 23: 38
            0
            You know what amazes me: the population takes tales about the "Bender threat" seriously! There are four million Muslims in Moscow; But it turns out that for a Russian there is no enemy worse than a Galician, who in Moscow can be counted on one hand.
        2. Valentine Offline Valentine
          Valentine (Valentin) 19 May 2021 11: 08
          +2
          Quote: aquarius580
          Ukraine, without a single nuclear warhead

          And you are sure that they do not have anything such "dirty nuclear" on their territory, about which we learn only "after the fact", already when it is applied. Please note that the Galicians are a nation of motivated thugs who will do anything, and to the chopping block, and to the rack, and to the stake, for the sake of creating their own geographical formation, and Ukraine is just a springboard for their predatory aspirations to the adjacent territories of Russia-Kuban, Belgorod, Voronezh and others are our territories, and they are "firmly convinced" that all these lands belonged, belong and will belong to them, the empire of Galicia.
          1. jack clubs Offline jack clubs
            jack clubs (Eugene) 19 May 2021 23: 10
            +1
            Ours and yours are only dirty - brains. They destroy us with these weapons. And you are afraid of some kind of nuclear bombs.
          2. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
            aquarius580 19 May 2021 23: 41
            +1
            Your information is indeed political news, worthy of the front pages of newspapers. It turns out that in Ukraine there is a single Galician nation, the existence of which the Ukrainians themselves do not suspect. Can I get answers to a few questions from you?
            1) What is the name of the Galicia political party?
            2) Who are its leaders, and where is the program of this party published?
            3) How many seats does its faction hold in the Verkhovna Rada?
            1. Valentine Offline Valentine
              Valentine (Valentin) 20 May 2021 09: 32
              +1
              I will answer you only to the last question:

              Quote: aquarius580
              3) How many seats does its faction hold in the Verkhovna Rada?

              Several tens of thousands of these Galicians have brought the forty-million Ukraine to their knees, and they are strenuously reflashing the brains of the second generation of the Banderyugend in special camps all over Ukraine, so do not pretend not to know and not to know what is happening in your country.
              1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                aquarius580 20 May 2021 10: 14
                0
                Turchynov - from the Dnepropetrovsk region; Poroshenko - from Odessa; Zelensky is from Krivoy Rog.
                Where are the Galicians?
                1. Valentine Offline Valentine
                  Valentine (Valentin) 20 May 2021 10: 23
                  0
                  Quote: aquarius580
                  Where are the Galicians?

                  Come on, Hitler was also Austrian.
                  1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                    aquarius580 20 May 2021 10: 45
                    0
                    As expected, there is not a single fact from you to support your fantasies.
                    1. Valentine Offline Valentine
                      Valentine (Valentin) 20 May 2021 14: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: aquarius580
                      there is not a single fact from you

                      My facts are my living in Gorlovka for 2,5 years under your shelling and bombing, and millions of people whose lives and destinies you have ruined have been surviving for the eighth year under the constant shelling of your thugs. Who. It's not the residents of Lugansk and Donetsk who came to your house in Lvov, Ternopil and Kiev with weapons in their hands, and killed peaceful women, old people and children, but it is you, a product of Galicia-Western Ukraine, who brought death, fear and pain, starting a war there against those who did not want to participate in your coup d'état. You were there on your Maidan, and the Donbass was working, you were there killing the Berkut members and your own brothers-in-arms from the so-called. "Heavenly hundreds", and Donbass worked, and when you arrived in tanks and with weapons in your hands to Donbass, to establish your own "laws", then the whole Donbass took up arms and gave you a worthy rebuff both near Izvarino, and near Ilovaisk and under Debaltseve, having arranged "boilers" for you, where 3695 of your soldiers died just near Debaltseve, which was reported to your President Poroshenko by the head of the SBU Valentin Nalyvaichenko.
                      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 20 May 2021 14: 56
                        -1
                        Your lies have been refuted many times; do not repeat yourself. The calendar can't lie. On March 1, 2014, the Federation Council officially launched a war against Ukraine; On March 1, the flags of Ukraine were torn down in Donetsk and replaced by Russian ones; On April 13th, Girkin's unit captures Slavyansk, and only on April 14th Turchinov gives the order to start the ATO. When you compose your versions - at least check with the chronology of events. Of course, Ukraine will never forget the death of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Russian Grads launched from Gukovo.
                      2. Valentine Offline Valentine
                        Valentine (Valentin) 20 May 2021 17: 03
                        +1
                        Your whole sabbath began not on March 1, 2014, and not on April 13 or April 14 of the events you listed, but on February 20, 2014, when there was no smell of Crimea or Slavyansk or Donetsk. On this day, your "brothers-in-arms" stopped a column near Korsun of eight buses with four hundred Crimeans traveling from "Anti-Maidan" to their home in the peaceful Crimea, threw Molotov cocktails on them, dragged the Crimeans out of them, broke their skulls and spines with bats, fittings and chains , and those who tried to escape into the snow-covered steppe, those were shot from pump guns and machine guns from the arsenals of the Ministry of Internal Affairs that you had already plundered. In total, in that massacre more than 70 people died, suffered and disappeared at your hands, and when the survivors reached the Crimea, the Crimean Armed Forces were immediately convened, where by a majority of votes a resolution was adopted on secession from Ukraine, with the subsequent entry into the Russian Federation .... So I want to ask you why it was necessary to do this, and if not for this, then Crimea and Donbass would probably be a part of Ukraine, although on the same day you and your accomplices, by the coup d'état, seized all power in Ukraine, except for Donbass, where people did not want to banderize their native land. And about the "Grads", the firing range of which is no more than 40 km., And Debaltseve is almost 120 km away. from Gukovo, and to the Ilovaisky boiler-130 km, so your version of the shelling of your "boilers" by the Russian "Grads" is not a sound business, but the shelling of Donbass by your "Grads" this will not be forgiven. I once talked with one of the Berkut members who defended Kiev from you, and they said that what you did with them, killed and brought to your knees, they will never forgive you, and if necessary, as he said, will gnaw your throats with their teeth, these are his words, which are supported by the whole people of Donbass .... Asked, sign and get it.