Ground operation in the Gaza Strip may result in the defeat of Israel


On Friday night, the Israeli army carried out an operation against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. Airstrikes on a network of underground tunnels used by militants of Arab groups, simultaneously inflicted 160 aircraft. At the same time, the IDF is considering the possibility of introducing troops and conducting a ground operation. More and more units of the Israeli army are being drawn to the border of the enclave. But what could a military invasion turn out to be for the Jewish state this time?


Reading the comments of the Russian-speaking Israelis, one can see how they sincerely regret that the IDF, under pressure from the international community, once withdrew its troops from the Gaza Strip. They say that Arab terrorists have now proliferated, there is no way for them to live for honest people, they have completely lost their fear, crossed the "red line", and now they will get nothing to spoil. And here's what I would like to say about their righteous anger.

Undoubtedly, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, which relapsed a few days ago, is an extremely complex and multifaceted topic with very long roots. It is part of an even more complex and controversial Arab-Israeli conflict, where each side considers itself to be unconditionally right. In the most general terms, the problem is that the Jewish State of Israel was created on the territory of the British Mandate of Palestine in 1948, and the State of Palestine for the Arabs appeared only de jure, but not de facto. It has no real sovereignty and is essentially under Israeli occupation. There are two Palestinian exclaves divided by the territory of the Jewish state, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. The first is controlled by militants of the Hamas movement (recognized as a terrorist organization in some countries), the second is controlled by Fatah. It is from the territory of the Gaza Strip that the periodic shelling of Israel is carried out.

Now for the legal side of the issue. The reason for the massive mutual rocket attacks was the harsh actions of the Israeli police (shooting at the crowd with rubber bullets and the use of stun grenades) near the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount, a sacred site for Muslims, as well as an attempt to evict six Palestinian families from their homes in the eastern parts of Jerusalem. I would like to make a short excursion into recent history.

The West Bank and East Jerusalem were captured by the Israelis following the Six Day War. Note that the UN General Assembly refused to recognize the legality of this annexation. Later Tel Aviv began policies the gradual squeezing out of the Arab population from the occupied territory: Jewish quarters, military bases began to be built in East Jerusalem, the city was surrounded by the so-called "security perimeter", dividing it into Western and Eastern parts. In 2009, the "Report of the Heads of the EU Mission for East Jerusalem" was released (not at all the Kremlin propaganda), in which the following summary was made:

Israel's “reality” - including new settlements, the erection of a barrier, discriminatory housing policies, house demolitions, restrictive permitting regimes and the continued closure of Palestinian institutions - strengthens the Jewish Israeli presence in East Jerusalem, weakens the Palestinian community in the city, complicates Palestinian urban development, and separates East Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank.

In fact, the Palestinian families mentioned above were subject to eviction from their homes in East Jerusalem as part of this policy. The Israeli organization Nahalat Shimon intended to free up "living space" for new settlers under the Israeli law of 1970 on legal and administrative issues, which gives Jews the right to claim land and real estate that they owned before the emergence of the State of Israel. And now, having dealt with the legal side of the issue, let's move on to the military component.

The international community calls on Israel and Palestine for peace, and the United States even sent its special envoy to Jerusalem to mediate in the negotiations. However, Tel Aviv is still in a very belligerent mood, wanting to "restore order" in the Gaza Strip. The IDF declares that the ground forces are ready to move forward. What could be the goals of such a military operation?

On the one hand, the Palestinians can be punished within the framework of a limited operation: to carry out a powerful missile and bomb strike to destroy underground tunnels and other objects of the Arab military infrastructure, to rapidly lead troops and occupy key points. On the other hand, quite a lot has changed by 2021. Hamas militants have rockets that hit 100-120 kilometers, and in order to get them, they will have to go far into residential buildings. Now the Arab groupings have powerful anti-tank systems and grenade launchers, they will undoubtedly mine all approaches to their positions. This means that the Israelis will not be able to take an easy walk and blitzkrieg, and the punitive operation in the occupied Palestinian territories will result in significant losses in technology and manpower.

Merkavas will burn, Israeli commandos will die, and no vaunted attack drones will be able to provide a cleanup. All that remains in this case for Tel Aviv is to conduct a demonstrative local action under the cameras and quickly retire in order to avoid reputation losses.
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 14 May 2021 12: 22
    -1
    The ground operation is not needed neither by Israel nor Hamas. In my opinion, there is an imitation of violent activity on both sides.
  2. bobba94 Online bobba94
    bobba94 (Vladimir) 14 May 2021 12: 54
    +2
    And now, having dealt with the legal side of the issue, let's give the floor to the head of the transport department ...
  3. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 14 May 2021 13: 09
    -6
    There are three solutions:

    1. Israel is the center of the world, at the junction of three continents and world religions. The entire history of Israel is continuous endless wars, and the land is saturated with blood like no other.
    The capital of Israel is Tel Aviv. The UN is redeployed to Jerusalem, which becomes the capital of the World and is transferred to the full jurisdiction of the UN.
    2. Israel's refusal from the policy of preventive strikes and the principle of "Eye for an eye", "Tooth for a Tooth" and negotiations with the LAR on peaceful coexistence and the conclusion of an agreement.
    3. Deportation of the Arab population to neighboring states, in which there are already many Palestinians, with the payment of compensation and allowances.
    1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 14 May 2021 14: 06
      -5
      Thank you, but you'd better make Moscow the capital of the world and hand it over to the UN jurisdiction.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 May 2021 16: 27
        +2
        You will decide where you are scribbling from, from Israel or from Ukraine
        1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 14 May 2021 18: 05
          -2
          Am I hiding that I am writing from Israel?
          1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
            Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 11: 19
            +2
            Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
            Am I hiding that I am writing from Israel?

            How do you relate to Palestine: Palestinians have more rights to this land than you immigrants
            1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 15 May 2021 12: 08
              -3
              You have nothing to do with our places at all
              1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
                Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 14: 27
                -3
                I do not claim these lands, unlike you.
              2. Rosko-63 Offline Rosko-63
                Rosko-63 (Dmitriy) 17 May 2021 22: 44
                +1
                Grandma Sarah's Tales?
              3. Rosko-63 Offline Rosko-63
                Rosko-63 (Dmitriy) 17 May 2021 22: 45
                +1
                That's right, what do we have to do with banderlog ...
      2. meandr51 Offline meandr51
        meandr51 (Andrei) 14 May 2021 20: 11
        +2
        But what about Vasyuki?
      3. Vasil K. Offline Vasil K.
        Vasil K. (Vasil K.) 17 May 2021 17: 38
        +2
        I agree to Moscow's jurisdiction over Mir!
      4. Rosko-63 Offline Rosko-63
        Rosko-63 (Dmitriy) 17 May 2021 22: 43
        +1
        Advice from a Khokhlushka overturned in the air?
  4. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 14 May 2021 14: 04
    -5
    You can continue to dream about “Merkavas” will burn, but these are nothing more than dreams, these tanks have more than once entered the territory of the bandit enclave and left without any losses, despite all the efforts of the terrorists. By the way, the evicted families lived in illegally built houses, and the land itself was bought there by Jews many years ago. In general, it would be better if you did not disgrace yourself, but wrote about what you know about.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 14 May 2021 14: 18
      +4
      This means Poland can introduce tanks to western Ukraine. After all, there are houses illegally built by the Ukrainians on the land purchased by the Poles hi
      1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 14 May 2021 18: 21
        0
        Firstly, the Poles did not buy any land in Ukraine, and secondly, if you mean the restitution of some private property, then the law on restitution in Ukraine was not adopted and today Poland has no official claims against Ukraine, all the more territorial.
    2. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 14 May 2021 14: 29
      -2
      According to my observations, Mr. Marzhetsky does not really understand most of the questions about which he writes. No, before you give out ridiculous texts to the mountain, read at least some basic information on a particular topic. But here, as in an old joke about the Chukchi writer ... As for our Israeli affairs, here the lack of knowledge of this author is multiplied by his, to put it mildly, hostile attitude towards Israel and the Jews in general, the result of such a combination of qualities is quite predictable. So in this publication, the title is already very eloquent and far from objective reality.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 May 2021 16: 20
        +1
        As for our Israeli affairs, here the lack of knowledge of this author is multiplied by his, to put it mildly, hostile attitude towards Israel and the Jews in general, the result of such a combination of qualities is quite predictable.

        First, if you have something to object to in the case, object. Without getting personal. I always read basic and not only basic texts on the topics I write about.
        Secondly, my hostile attitude extends personally to you and those like you. I have no complaints about the Jewish people in general. It just so happens that three of my three friends are Jews. For me, there is no equal sign between Jews and Israelis.
        It's funny that accusations of anti-Semitism are the last refuge of the backed Israelis. wink
        As for my hostility towards Israel as a state, the people of Israel must personally thank you and a couple of other local characters. Because of your cold ... it changed from neutral to negative. Here you will get it.
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 14 May 2021 17: 25
          -3
          Quote: Marzhetsky
          if you have something to object to in the case, object

          The case is just not being observed, you are deliberately distorting the facts. The Arabs occupied someone else's real estate (land plots), which they were obliged to release by court order. Purely legal conflict, no politics. If Jews had occupied someone else's property, they would have been subjected to exactly the same actions by law enforcement officers. Only in this case it would not have occurred to anyone to raise an uprising and start riots. As for the direct armed confrontation in Gaza and the methods used by the Israelis, then you are frankly not in the subject, but you undertake to predict the defeat of Israel.
          Personally, your dislike does not bother me at all, who to sympathize with and who does not - it is the master's business, but why did you decide that you pinned me to the wall? With your evidence base, this is impossible. You, like many other narrow-minded gentlemen, simply envy the Israelis, their successes, growing influence in the world, the ability to defend their rights, overcome difficulties and defeat the enemy.
          1. FrankyStein Offline FrankyStein
            FrankyStein (FrankyStein) 14 May 2021 22: 42
            +1
            The last line sounds like self-persuasion. Modern Israel has not overcome or won anything. How many meteors are there in the sky? The present Jewish state is the same.
            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) 14 May 2021 23: 41
              -1
              Israel, if you are not aware, has existed for 73 years since the declaration of independence, this is longer than the USSR existed. It is clear that seven decades is not a period for history, but everything is learned in comparison ...
            2. Danila46 Offline Danila46
              Danila46 (Daniel) 15 May 2021 02: 53
              +1
              then the same can be said about modern Russia ...
            3. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 15 May 2021 12: 11
              -5
              In fact, it has existed longer than your favorite "great-mighty"
              1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
                Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 14: 36
                +5
                How long does it exist? You have nothing to do with the biblical people and your goy tribesmen, who are drowning here for Israel. They brought rabble from Odessa, Chisinau and Tashkent
    3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 May 2021 16: 16
      +2
      Marzhetsky, of you a specialist in the Middle East, as you know from whom - a virgin.

      Excuse me, but who are you to judge this?

      By the way, the evicted families lived in illegally built houses, and the land itself was bought there by Jews many years ago.

      It is touching how the Israeli occupiers and Ukrainian Nazis merged in ecstasy. bully

      In general, it would be better if you did not disgrace yourself, but wrote about what you understand.

      I guess I can do without the advice of characters like you in my work. hi
      1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 14 May 2021 18: 09
        -3
        Yes, of course you can, but this stupidity that you squeeze here will not cease to remain stupid. And by the way, you are not looking for Nazism there. The Nazis are your friends from Hezbollah and Hamas, as well as your bosom friend Assad, who is completely legal in the country. there is a Nazi party.
        1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 14: 36
          +4
          Zionism is Jewish Fascism
          1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 May 2021 14: 47
            -1
            Quote: Spiritual
            Zionism is Jewish Fascism

            And how is this expressed specifically, may I ask?
      2. Danila46 Offline Danila46
        Danila46 (Daniel) 15 May 2021 02: 55
        +3
        whose cow would moan ... I'm talking about the occupation.
    4. Galina Pigareva Offline Galina Pigareva
      Galina Pigareva (Galina Pigareva) 15 May 2021 12: 15
      0
      Tatyana, you'd better read the Bible and see a map of the Old Testament times. There is not a word about the state of Israel. There are lands of 12 and tribes of Israel. The State of Israel emerged in 1948 and since then has been pulling its tentacles in all directions.
      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 May 2021 13: 20
        -2
        Quote: Galina Pigareva
        Tatyana, you'd better read the Bible and see a map of the Old Testament times. There is not a word about the state of Israel. There are lands of 12 and tribes of Israel. The State of Israel emerged in 1948 and since then has been pulling its tentacles in all directions.

        Galina, excuse me generously: Are you the State of Israel, for an hour with another state you were beguiled? This is me about the tentacles. How was Israel exactly half the size of the Moscow region in 1948, and still has 0.1 square kilometers of East Jerusalem? So it was never passed on to Jordan by anyone. Which, having unleashed a war against Israel, illegally occupied this part of the city. And it does not pretend to be. Jerusalem has been the united and indivisible capital of Israel since 1950. What else ? A couple of hundred kilometers of Jewish property - the Golan Heights? In violation of the decision of the League of Nations, they illegally passed to Syria. Refunded based on the results of the Six Day War. And it's all! By the way, the territory of Crimea is larger than the territory of Israel with everything that our tentacles have reached. And about the Old Testament - in general, not at any gate. I will not list the countless number of works confirming the existence of ancient Israel and Judea on the basis of documents, archaeological excavations, artifacts. Answer only one question: in which country and when was Jesus of Nazareth executed? Sometimes it is better to be silent than to speak. hi
        1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 14: 38
          +4
          These kingdoms were the size of one block of present-day Jerusalem. And the Palestinians are the owners of the land. Would you like to tell the binyuzhnik that your ancestors were from a town near Zhitomir and were fellow tribesmen of Jesus?
        2. Galina Pigareva Offline Galina Pigareva
          Galina Pigareva (Galina Pigareva) 16 May 2021 16: 06
          +2
          Who can argue, impolite Tramp? The Jews fought constantly and occupied the neighboring lands of Benjamin, Ephraim, etc. Too much to write.
          1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 16 May 2021 17: 56
            0
            Quote: Galina Pigareva
            Who can argue, impolite Tramp? The Jews fought constantly and occupied the neighboring lands of Benjamin, Ephraim, etc. Too much to write.

            Do not replace the subject of the dispute. You specifically write about the modern Israeli state, and not about ancient Israel and Judea. I can only repeat: 0.1 sq. km. territory that never belonged to the Arabs of Jerusalem and a couple of hundred square kilometers. the Golan that never belonged to Syria is there "octopus tentacles" spread out in different directions?
            1. Galina Pigareva Offline Galina Pigareva
              Galina Pigareva (Galina Pigareva) 16 May 2021 19: 31
              +2
              Tramp, on whose lands was the state of Israel proclaimed? The question is rhetorical. The result is constant wars.
              1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 16 May 2021 19: 42
                -1
                Quote: Galina Pigareva
                Tramp, on whose lands was the state of Israel proclaimed? The question is rhetorical. The result is constant wars.

                On their own. Since the destruction in 78 AD By the Romans of the Second Temple, not a single state existed in these territories. The battles for the Holy Sepulcher led to the complete devastation of the earth. On which the Jewish presence was maintained all this time. After the 1st World War and the defeat of Turkey, the lands of Palestine were found to be ownerless. And on the basis of the decisions of the conference in San Remo, the League of Nations and the UN, the state of Israel was de jure, which had existed de facto since the 20s. The Arabs followed the Jews to Palestine in the early 20th century. From Yemen, mainly from Sudan. Because here you could earn some money and not die of hunger. "Brief World History. Imperial Bank."
      2. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 15 May 2021 14: 06
        -3
        You would not be disgraced by your "knowledge" of the Old Testament. There are both about Judea and about Israel.
        1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 14: 39
          +3
          Tatiana is not for you to talk about the Bible and Israel.
          1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 May 2021 16: 05
            -3
            Quote: Spiritual
            Tatiana is not for you to talk about the Bible and Israel.

            How is it not for her, if she is Jewish, and even Israeli. Also, as you may not know, the Bible is in two parts. And the first part - the Old Testament - the basis of Judaism. In other words, Christians borrowed the foundations of their religion from the Jews. And is it only ...? Even the most common Russian names - Ivan da Marya - are XNUMX% Jewish. As well as Mikhail, Alexey, Elizabeth, Tamara, Anna, Joseph. The days of the week are also Jewish, except for Sunday, a lot of words, etc. So learn to look older. But you prefer radical Islamists, read terrorists. Well, who studied what.
            1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
              Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 17 May 2021 05: 22
              +2
              Since when do the descendants of the Turkic-speaking Khazars teach on the Torah. How long ago did Tatyana Korzhenko become an Old Testament? Can she still bring a certificate from Moses? How did her ancestors carry thousands of years ago from Palestine to Birobidzhan?
        2. Galina Pigareva Offline Galina Pigareva
          Galina Pigareva (Galina Pigareva) 16 May 2021 15: 49
          +2
          Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
          You would not be disgraced by your "knowledge" of the Old Testament. There are both about Judea and about Israel.

          Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Dinah, Joseph, etc. Total 12. Read it yourself.
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    6. Rosko-63 Offline Rosko-63
      Rosko-63 (Dmitriy) 17 May 2021 22: 46
      +1
      Will be, will be like your leaky dome ..
  5. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 14 May 2021 14: 29
    +3
    And Israel no longer strikes Syria. I think Iran is using this time for itself with benefit. Iran intends to take revenge on Israel for the provocations and deaths of its citizens. Therefore, I agree with the author - if Israel starts a sweep, it will wash itself in blood.
    1. Danila46 Offline Danila46
      Danila46 (Daniel) 15 May 2021 03: 08
      +2
      not equal to Israel. It is only in Russia that the Matrosovs are found ... They will first think about how to attach a motor to this shovel ...
  6. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 14 May 2021 14: 35
    -5
    Israel will not lose, and Iran will not openly attack either, because it knows the famous phrase from Israel -

    Firstly, we do not have nuclear weapons, and secondly, if necessary, we will use it.
  7. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 14 May 2021 16: 22
    -2
    The intelligent club party is almost complete!
    Hello everyone! Hi! Shalom! Salam!
    I am sure the evening will not be languid !!! drinks
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 May 2021 16: 30
      +1
      Right now, all our Russian-speaking Israelis will come running, they will prove how they are right in everything, how they are only terrorists around, and how they will defeat everyone with one left. soldier
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 14 May 2021 16: 57
        -1
        I don’t know how anyone, dear, but I really like this song

      2. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 14 May 2021 18: 12
        -6
        Also, now all the bearers and Muslim lovers will come running and tell how the Arabs and Persians will take revenge on Israel and how cruel this revenge will be.
        1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 11: 23
          0
          Now "(Madame Korzhenko) hereditary swindlers" will come running and start screaming about the hard lot and suffering of the Palestinian Cossacks
          1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 15 May 2021 12: 06
            -4
            Yes, something I didn’t notice that some of us were yelling about “hard lot.” This is more here all sorts of spiritually crying, crying about their hard lot under the conditions of the Jewish occupation and terrible ukrah under their bed :)))
            1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
              Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 14: 41
              +6
              Your masters cry at all for the long-suffering people, covering up their atrocities, and the Zionists brought you sixes with Polish, Lithuanian, Ukrainian blood to Palestine to guard the settlements.
        2. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 May 2021 13: 22
          -3
          Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
          Also, now all the bearers and Muslim lovers will come running and tell how the Arabs and Persians will take revenge on Israel and how cruel this revenge will be.

          How many muskets do we have, Tatiana? Four ! Let's break through! Keep it up, sister!) hi
          1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
            Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 17 May 2021 05: 24
            +2
            What kind of muskets? At best cut-offs and 30 shekels
        3. Rosko-63 Offline Rosko-63
          Rosko-63 (Dmitriy) 17 May 2021 22: 51
          +1
          Hollovers who have repainted are already getting dirty here I look at the page. laughing
      3. Danila46 Offline Danila46
        Danila46 (Daniel) 15 May 2021 02: 59
        0
        do not shift your small toilet dashes to others. hey you are ours.
      4. Gosha Smirnov Offline Gosha Smirnov
        Gosha Smirnov (Smirnov) 16 May 2021 02: 30
        +1
        Well, if I were you, I would not speak so dismissively. And the IDF is still able to pile up on the hills to so many people, which it has demonstrated many times. And there are no wars without losses. Only big or small they will be for everyone - time will tell.
      5. Rosko-63 Offline Rosko-63
        Rosko-63 (Dmitriy) 17 May 2021 22: 49
        +1
        Yes, there are some Rambo circumcised judging by their writings. laughing
  8. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 14 May 2021 17: 34
    +2
    In 1948, the Jewish state of Israel was created, and the State of Palestine for the Arabs appeared only de jure, but not de facto. It has no real sovereignty and is essentially under Israeli occupation.

    1. Right in 1948 and fell under the Jewish occupation?
    2. Or did it happen in 1967?
    3. What happened from 48 to 67?
    4. Is the exclave of Gaza also occupied? Are there Israelites in Erichon? In Ramallah? In Hebron? What is occupation (in essence)?
  9. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 14 May 2021 17: 41
    -1
    The West Bank and East Jerusalem were captured by the Israelis following the Six Day War. Note that the UN General Assembly refused to recognize the legality of this annexation.

    Some kind of incomprehensible somersault. Israel invaded, the UN General Assembly refused to recognize ... annexation. Capturing is not annexing. The West Bank was captured (this is Judea and Samaria), no one annexed it. Israel defines it as a disputed territory. East Jerusalem is indeed annexed.
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 17 May 2021 05: 25
      +1
      Typical shtetl verbiage
  10. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 14 May 2021 17: 53
    +2
    Jewish quarters and military bases began to be built in East Jerusalem, the city was surrounded by the so-called "security perimeter", dividing it into Western and Eastern parts.

    Don't you notice the contradiction? The city is surrounded by a security perimeter ... which divides it into West and East ...
    Indeed, there is a security fence, but it separates East Jerusalem (annexed), or rather just Jerusalem from the Arab territories, i.e. Israel from not Israel (not East from the West as in the article)
    1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 14 May 2021 18: 14
      0
      It will be too difficult for the author.
      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 May 2021 13: 25
        -3
        Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
        It will be too difficult for the author.

        The author, as the famous hero of Yaroslav Hasek, Second Lieutenant Dub "wrapped himself in a toga of silence." There is essentially nothing to say. Rolled up Sivka, steep hills (Jews) hi
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  11. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 14 May 2021 18: 04
    0
    The Israeli organization Nahalat Shimon intended to free up "living space" for new settlers under the Israeli law of 1970 on legal and administrative issues, which gives Jews the right to claim land and real estate that they owned before the emergence of the State of Israel.

    Again, some somersaults. Israel has a complex system of land rights, we will not go into it. It is a fact that the property rights issued in the Ottoman Empire and during the British Mandate are recognized, both for Jews and Arabs. This approach is recognized by international practice. The Jewish Fund presented to the court documents confirming the ownership of a plot of land in Sheikh Jerrah, the court confirmed this right.
    But then the case moved from the legal to the political plane.
  12. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 14 May 2021 18: 10
    0
    Merkavas will burn, Israeli commandos will die, and no vaunted attack drones will be able to provide a cleanup.

    I already wrote - few people in Israel today are seriously considering the option of a ground operation. It will be real with the mobilization of another 30-40 thousand reservists, which is very unlikely. In a political crisis, no one will give Netanyahu permission for a ground operation. Only in exceptional circumstances, which do not yet exist. Maximum clearing of the northern part of the sector, which will leave the civilian population.
  13. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 14 May 2021 18: 12
    -2
    Quote: 123
    The ground operation is not needed neither by Israel nor Hamas. In my opinion, there is an imitation of violent activity on both sides.

    Israel even more so.
  14. TermNachTer Offline TermNachTer
    TermNachTer (Nikolai) 14 May 2021 20: 42
    +3
    There will be no defeat, the Jews will not go that far. But there will be losses in the l / s composition, and this is not acceptable for Israel. Therefore, there will be a lot of "show-off for visitors".
  15. Joker62 Offline Joker62
    Joker62 (Ivan) 15 May 2021 04: 19
    +1
    It's time to bend the Jews to the ground on the very sopatki ... they are completely morose and everywhere they see terrorist threats to the integrity of Israel itself ... And if you look from the other side - Israel from its very initial existence, artificially created after the Second World War and not without the help of the USSR led an aggressive policy. The place is to live peacefully and develop your country, and so as not to lose your statehood, as it lost its statehood under King David (Jews know what this is about and who King David is). If you want to lose your statehood again - go for it, fight with the Muslim Arabs and they will grind you to dust and again make you slaves and shepherds of sheep and camels. However, this nation like the Jews - a little danger - fled to another country, where the greatest security for their rotten soul ...
    1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
      Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 07: 18
      0
      Another petaushnik cut through.
      The loss of statehood under King David is a masterpiece!
      1. Rosko-63 Offline Rosko-63
        Rosko-63 (Dmitriy) 17 May 2021 22: 58
        0
        Another petaushnik cut through.
        The loss of statehood under King David is a masterpiece!

        Well, are your three classes at the parish school better? laughing
    2. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
      Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 15 May 2021 08: 46
      -1
      One to one licked as in Russia. Instead of living peacefully and developing the country within the borders after the collapse of the USSR, everyone also sees terrorist threats from the whole world, and from neighbors, Ukraine, the Caucasus, Moldova. And you also climb to everyone with your wars. And the Jews never shed ... who sat in tanks and planes in all the wars with the Arabs? And who is sitting there now?
    3. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 15 May 2021 12: 18
      -4
      Well, yes, approximately like in 1967 and 1973 they "faded", At the same time the Arab united armies "wiped out" Israel, so that then they cried crocodile tears at the UN, complaining about the cruel Jews ..
  16. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 07: 24
    +2
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Right now, all our Russian-speaking Israelis will come running, they will prove how they are right in everything, how they are only terrorists around, and how they will defeat everyone with one left. soldier

    Right now, let's begin to explain that we need to be more careful and correct when writing notes, then there will be no invented perimeters separating East Jerusalem from West, etc.
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  17. Vasily Ivanovich Chepaev (Semyon Gorbunkov) 15 May 2021 09: 18
    +3
    The thing is that Israel is wrong to seize Arab territories. So he "begged" the pill. He (Israel) for some reason thinks that if he is friends with the United States, then he can do anything. This is not so, the United States will not fight for him. The United States will simply be the loudest of all indignation and nothing more. Hence the conclusion that the solution of this conflict by military means is fraught with defeat for Israel.
    1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 15 May 2021 12: 36
      -2
      In 1967 and 1973, who fought for Israel, really the Americans? No? Maybe Israel was defeated then? Also not? How then did it happen?
      1. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
        Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 16 May 2021 10: 50
        -1
        And you can't prove anything to stoned ones, a waste of time. Many simply do not want to know history, do not know how to compare facts, etc. They already feel good. He devoured, pos "al, slept, and nothing else is needed from life.
      2. Rosko-63 Offline Rosko-63
        Rosko-63 (Dmitriy) 17 May 2021 23: 01
        +1
        without states you are 0. laughing
  18. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
    aquarius580 15 May 2021 10: 59
    -1
    The British Mandate for Palestine (and Transjordan) provided for the immediate right of Jews to settle anywhere in these territories, in order to create a national homeland. There was no mandate for any Arab "states" on this territory. "Palestinians" were invented by Primakov and Andropov in 1964; Egyptian terrorist Arafat was appointed as the overseer of the PLO organized crime group.
    1. Galina Pigareva Offline Galina Pigareva
      Galina Pigareva (Galina Pigareva) 16 May 2021 16: 48
      +2
      580, so "the Palestinians were invented by Primakov and Andropov"? Low bow to you for such knowledge. Are you probably a victim of the exam?
      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 17 May 2021 00: 48
        -2
        I, unlike you, know history. The USSR was the creator and main sponsor of the PLO. All these thugs were armed with Soviet weapons, and trained at the KGB and GRU training grounds (in particular in Kubinka).
        1. Rosko-63 Offline Rosko-63
          Rosko-63 (Dmitriy) 17 May 2021 23: 02
          +1
          Bot you, unlike everyone else, but most likely a troll. laughing
    2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 17 May 2021 05: 27
      +1
      British Mandate for Palestine this Balfour fraud is called
      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 17 May 2021 06: 55
        -1
        Nobody is interested in your emotions on this issue. There is a decision by the League of Nations; it is confirmed by the UN Charter (Article 80, Chapter 12).
  19. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
    aquarius580 15 May 2021 11: 00
    -3
    Quote: Vasily Ivanovich Chepaev
    The thing is that Israel is wrong to seize Arab territories. So he "begged" the pill. He (Israel) for some reason thinks that if he is friends with the United States, then he can do anything. This is not so, the United States will not fight for him. The United States will simply be the loudest of all indignation and nothing more. Hence the conclusion that the solution of this conflict by military means is fraught with defeat for Israel.

    Israel did not seize any Arab territories. Israel strictly follows the provisions of the British Mandate.
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 14: 52
      +3
      MainAll NewsInside Israel 6 out of 7 repatriates are not Jews according to Halakha

      6 out of 7 repatriates are not Jews according to Halakha
      Only 14% of new immigrants who arrived in Israel under the Law of Return in the past 8 years are not Jews.
      More than 150.000 new immigrants who have arrived in Israel over the past 8 years under the Law of Return are not recognized as Jews by any religious definition.

      This figure comes from a report compiled by the Department of Religious Freedom and Equality under the Office of Population and Repatriation.

      The figures show that only about 1/7 of the total mass of repatriates who arrived, we repeat, in accordance with the Law on Return over the years (specifically - 25.375 people) are Jews.

      The overwhelming majority - 154.474 people - came to Israel as members of Jewish families (spouses, children and grandchildren), having the right to do so with obtaining Israeli citizenship after the repatriation process.

      In all countries from which new people came to Israel in recent years, the number of non-Jews according to Halakha (religious law) significantly exceeds the number of Jewish repatriates. For example, from Russia, only 1 out of 25 repatriates was recognized as a Jew in Israel (specifically, 2.244 Jews compared to 50.093 non-Jews who came to our country), and among those who came to Israel this year [more precisely, until 31.10.2019] , only 1 in 40 is Jewish by religious definition. From Ukraine - only 1 out of 12 (3123 Jews - for 34 835 non-Jews), and this year - only 1 out of 25.

      Approximately 27% of French immigrants are Jews (7.851 against 20.825 people) and about 30% of immigrants from the United States (5.487 against 12.785), and specifically this year only 2.031 American Jews arrived in Israel, and with them 20.948 non-Jews. in all forums indicate to the Palestinians and others who and how should live in Palestine
      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 17 May 2021 00: 52
        0
        The Law on the Return provides for the right of all whose 1/4 ancestors (i.e. at least one grandmother or one grandfather) were Jews to repatriate to Israel. Commitment to Judaism is not a condition for repatriation; about half of the population are atheists.
        The Arab world occupies 99.8% of the territory of B.V. Basically it is a desert, the same as Palestine was under the Ottomans. Countless Palestinians can be organized there.
        1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 17 May 2021 05: 29
          +2
          Here the Americans or Germans must allocate land for Israel for the Holocaust. They have compassionate lands in bulk. The Palestinians don't owe you anything
          1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
            aquarius580 17 May 2021 06: 54
            -2
            Who are the "Palestinians"?
  20. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 11: 15
    +3
    The author is 100% right. "Russian-speaking Israelis" are emigrants, people without clan and tribe, brought by the Zionists to Palestine
  21. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 11: 17
    +3
    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    There are three solutions:

    1. Israel is the center of the world, at the junction of three continents and world religions. The entire history of Israel is continuous endless wars, and the land is saturated with blood like no other.
    The capital of Israel is Tel Aviv. The UN is redeployed to Jerusalem, which becomes the capital of the World and is transferred to the full jurisdiction of the UN.
    2. Israel's refusal from the policy of preventive strikes and the principle of "Eye for an eye", "Tooth for a Tooth" and negotiations with the LAR on peaceful coexistence and the conclusion of an agreement.
    3. Deportation of the Arab population to neighboring states, in which there are already many Palestinians, with the payment of compensation and allowances.

    Deportation of Israel to Alaska, where "compassionate" Americans can continue to keep this safe haven for scammers from all over the world
  22. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 11: 21
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
    You can continue to dream about “Merkavas” will burn, but these are nothing more than dreams, these tanks have more than once entered the territory of the bandit enclave and left without any losses, despite all the efforts of the terrorists. By the way, the evicted families lived in illegally built houses, and the land itself was bought there by Jews many years ago. In general, it would be better if you did not disgrace yourself, but wrote about what you know about.

    In fact, it is you who have been living there for several years, no one knows what rights. The Palestinians have been living there for hundreds of years, thousands. And you are a nomad.
    1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 15 May 2021 12: 38
      0
      Why not millions? Arabs settled there together with dinosaurs :)))
      1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
        Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 14: 31
        +4
        Unlike you, they have documents, and you have a link to the rewritten Bible. By the way, what side are you there? You never answered that you lost there and now you sit and take up the actions of the Palestinians.
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  23. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 May 2021 11: 30
    +2
    The publication resembles a dashing cavalry charge. The author's arguments are more emotional than reasoned. I will try to justify.
    Preamble of the article:

    Israel was created in 1948, but the Arab state was not created de jure. Its territory is under Israeli occupation.

    Just like in a joke.

    There's a Texas sticker on the back pocket of the guy's jeans. A Jew walking behind says to another: "Look, Chaim, there are two mistakes in one word."

    So is Marzhetsky. Two bloopers with an automatic burst.
    1. Israel has officially recognized the UN decision to create an Arab state. Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, CA - no. They unleashed the war of 1948-1949, seizing the West Bank of the Jordan and the Gaza Strip as a result in 1949. And on this annexed territory, a Palestinian state was never created.
    2. “The Palestinian esclavs are under Israeli occupation.” Again, not true.
    Not found. Israeli laws do not apply to them, there is no occupation administration, and there is no Jewish military and civilian presence in the esclavs.

    Further, the author tells about the West Bank of Jordan and East Jerusalem allegedly annexed by Israel. Completeness, Sergei. Israel never annexed the ZB Jordan, that is, did not include it by law within its territory and did not extend its sovereignty. Classical annexation - Crimea, included in the Russian Federation. With regards to East Jerusalem. 0.1 sq. Km territory, if anyone does not know. And again, the author is bashfully silent that East Jerusalem was annexed and annexed by Jordan as a result of the aggression against Israel in 1949. In violation of the UN resolution on the international status of this city. As a result, it was not implemented, and the status of Jerusalem found itself in a legal vacuum. Which filled Israel, proclaiming Jerusalem as its one and indivisible capital. Back in 1950. Today, no one claims to the international status of Jerusalem. Not the UN, not a single country in the world. The Arabs consoled themselves with the annexation of Bethlehem, which, along with Jerusalem, had international status. But Marzhetsky is apparently not interested in this fact. Or maybe he just doesn't know. Further, the shadow is cast on the wattle about "the eviction of the Palestinians from their homes." Stop. The property did not belong to six Palestinian families, but was Jewish property. Documented. Which served as the legal basis for the court's decision. If you don’t like it, challenge it, even to the international authorities. Instead, the Arabs staged pogroms. It's time to understand all the haters of Israel and Marzhetsky, including that Jerusalem is the one and indivisible capital of the Jewish state. So it is incorrect to talk about squeezing out someone and somewhere. It doesn't matter what to say about the evicted Muscovites in connection with the construction of a new residential area.

    And finally, a bravura chord about the military component of the operation - its land unit. Here, the author did not go well either with the facts or with the arguments. Primarily. The Gaza Strip received missiles from Iran.
    Striking targets not at 100-120 km. , as Marzhetsky is misleading, but at 250 km., launched from underground mines, with a warhead weighing 100 kg. And the distance from the Gaza Strip to Tel Aviv is 70 km. And about 2000 rockets were fired. Hamas got the full amount of Alaverdi. And he whined. But this time we'll get to the end. Victory, as always. For a land operation. It is necessary to prepare publications more thoroughly, Sergey. More responsible. Israel announced the beginning of a ground operation, brought tanks and artillery to the borders of the Gaza Strip. The terrorists, quite logically, decided that they could more effectively resist the Israelis by going down into the underground labyrinths dug for this purpose in advance. And we went down. There they were covered. From the air. Copper basin. How many died is still unknown. But it is reliably known that everything. And no one thought to carry out the land operation. Joke. Unobtrusive and so beloved all over the world Jewish humor. So our tanks will not burn. And in general, talking about these dreams of yours to a self-respecting publicist is not solid. These are emotions. When they burn, then we'll talk. That is, never.
  24. Makhlin Victor Offline Makhlin Victor
    Makhlin Victor (makhlin viktor) 15 May 2021 11: 33
    +3
    To the author of the opus:

    Since your mind is at a low price,
    Since only an eccentric is completely serene
    Drown the rest of your mind in wine
    Maybe fate will smile at you!
  25. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 May 2021 11: 34
    +2
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Right now, all our Russian-speaking Israelis will come running, they will prove how they are right in everything, how they are only terrorists around, and how they will defeat everyone with one left. soldier

    I am one of them, Sergei. I analyzed your publication in great detail. Do not want to debate on the topic you raised. I'm all for it". To the barrier!
    Military operations are underway. But our cause is just, the victory will be ours!
    Our light tanks will pass a hard span, And Muslim women will shout at us and throw their hijabs into the air. hi
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 14: 33
      +1
      Your business is a fraud. Aas was brought by the Zionists to Palestine and now you are here pretending to be the masters of this land. You are impostors.
      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 May 2021 17: 18
        -1
        Quote: Spiritual
        Your business is a fraud. Aas was brought by the Zionists to Palestine and now you are here pretending to be the masters of this land. You are impostors.

        It is not clear what relation your statement that "Jews are not Jews" has to do with the publication. In which we are talking about the ground operation of the IDF in the Gaza Strip. This is a flood. When there is nothing to say on the merits of the question. But I will answer. Being Jewish by mother and father. Yes, Jews are repatriated to Israel along with their non-Jewish husbands, wives and children, grandchildren from mixed marriages. Will you order the families to be separated? Or to persecute to the third generation and kill, as the Nazis did in the Reich, those who have at least a Jewish grandfather? This will never happen. If a person has linked his life with the Jewish people, the state of Israel, he is an integral part of it. Just like the mixed families who left for Greece, Germany, Poland are becoming an integral part of these peoples. In addition, you can become a Jew by passing a conversion. And this moment was introduced by the very ancient Jews to whom you are appealing. Because a nation is a political concept to a greater extent than an ethnic one. Moreover, you contradict yourself. You call Zionism Jewish fascism. And then you write about the internationalism of the Jewish nation. And the last thing. Your statistics are incorrect. The Israeli Ministry of Internal Affairs admitted a statistical error. The data is completely different. In France, for example -97% are ethnic Jews. 74.9% of Israeli citizens at the end of 2020 are Jews according to Halakha. 5% non-Jewish. The rest are Arabs. That's it.
  26. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 14: 42
    0
    Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
    Why not millions? Arabs settled there together with dinosaurs :)))

    Formerly dinosaurs!
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 15: 35
      0
      Early goyim Aleksov and Tatyan
  27. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 15: 01
    +1
    Israel's Sephardic Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef in October 2019 declared the "law of return" to be problematic. According to him, this law allowed the Zionists "to bring hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands of goyim to the Jewish state." "Some of them are communists who hate religion," Yitzhak Yosef said.
    The words of the chief rabbi that a significant part of the repatriates are Christians who attend churches "every Sunday." And on all forums, these "bindyuzhniki, Alexs, Zeevs, Atalefs" and other immigrants teach everyone how and who should live in Palestine and why should the indigenous people live in the ghetto, and they (immigrants) are supposedly the owners of these lands and only they feed and drink, take care of the "ungrateful Palestinians"
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  28. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 15: 09
    0
    Quote: Spiritual
    According to him, this law allowed the Zionists "to bring hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands of goyim to the Jewish state." "Some of them are communists who hate religion," Yitzhak Yosef said.

    1. Yes, more than 30% of those who arrived under the law of return are goyim (not Jews).
    2. Yes, some of them are communists who hate religion.
    3. The chief Sephardic rabbi has the right to dislike points 1, 2 and 4
    4. Yitzhak Yosef is a goat, which he has the right to be, and I consider him as such.
    What's the problem?
  29. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 15: 13
    -1
    So concerned about the purity of the Jewish race? What is the goal of haphazardly throwing in dubious information collected from all the garbage dumps?
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 15 May 2021 15: 34
      0
      These are not garbage dumps, with Yitzhak Yosef knows what he is talking about. And it is not for you to sit here and determine who and how should live in Palestine. Pretending to be the breadwinner of the Palestinians: we give them electricity, water, etc.
      1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 15 May 2021 16: 24
        0
        Oh, how - a spiritual adherent of Rabbi Yosef! This is already something new :)))
  30. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 15: 44
    0
    Quote: Spiritual
    And it's not for you to sit here and determine who and how should live in Palestine.

    Did I define it somewhere?
    Chatterbox!
  31. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 15: 56
    0
    Quote: Spiritual
    Your business is a fraud. Aas was brought by the Zionists to Palestine and now you are here pretending to be the masters of this land. You are impostors.

    Martians!
    I still do not understand who is worse in your coordinate system - gypsies or Zionists.
  32. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 16: 00
    0
    Quote: Spiritual
    Early goyim Aleksov and Tatyan

    Early so what? In our madhouse, whoever first put on a robe is a doctor! Which side are you here? Have you read Marzhetsky's articles?
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  33. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 16: 40
    0
    Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
    Apparently, he somehow drove up to a beautiful Jewish woman, who, in response to the courtship, sent him on an erotic journey on foot (and, judging by his writings, very deservedly), which inflicted an incurable trauma on his wretched soul. Now all his thoughts are only about revenge on the accursed Zionists. By tormenting the Claudia, of course, he is not capable of anything else.

    She left for Israel, but she didn't take him.
  34. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 17: 28
    0
    Quote: Galina Pigareva
    Tatyana, you'd better read the Bible and see a map of the Old Testament times. There is not a word about the state of Israel. There are lands of 12 and tribes of Israel. The State of Israel emerged in 1948 and since then has been pulling its tentacles in all directions.

    Why are you showing your lack of education?
    Israel is the name of the people (descendants of Israel \ Jacob), historically the name LAND OF ISRAEL (Eretz Israel) was used, the current state is called the State of Israel (i.e. the state of the Jewish people - Israel). In Russian, a distorted language is used - the State of Israel.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 15 May 2021 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: AlexZN
      Why are you showing your lack of education?

      Alexzn, Galina Pigareva demonstrated that your state is very young, it was formed in 1948. You have already accused her of illiteracy, it is not at all justified. Let's leave this fact on your conscience. sad

      You yourself, what do you have to do with the people who lived in this territory three thousand years ago?
      Those who have never left this land, they have. This is their land, the land of their ancestors, which they cultivated, and she fed them. Even during the occupation, no one drove them out of these lands.

      Before trying on someone else's story and accusing people of being illiterate, answer - a you who came to this earth from different parts of the world, who are you?
      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 17 May 2021 01: 19
        -2
        On the territory of modern Israel, there have never been any independent states except for the Jewish ones in history: in the 1st century BC. there were 1st and 2nd Kingdoms. Then two thousand years of foreign occupations (from Rome and the Mamluks and the Ottomans). In 1948 the Jewish state was restored.
  35. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 21: 45
    0
    Quote: isofat
    AlexZN, Galina Pigareva demonstrated that your state is very young, it was formed in 1948. You have already accused her of illiteracy, it is not at all justified. Let's leave this fact on your conscience.

    The man claims that there is no mention of the state of Israel in the Bible - is this not because of poor education? Well, the fact that our state was formed in 1948 is a fact, although they are trying to challenge it. If several countries talk about Zionist education, and Israel is absent on their maps ... Let's leave it on their conscience.
    The connection between Galina's lack of education, me and the people who lived here 3 thousand years ago is a painfully complex structure. If you want to find out my right as a repatriate to this land - just ask. The connection with those people and the right to this land are not the same thing.
    Communication - at my father's grave, I read Kaddish in the same language as people read 2-2,5 thousand years ago on this land, I am circumcised just like 3 thousand years ago in accordance with the vow made by my people, that's why this land is promised. Because I consider myself a part and continuation of that people.
    Does this give the right to consider this land mine? Count - yes. Whether the Arabs who lived here have such a right (to consider it theirs) - of course. There was an option - two peoples to live side by side on this land looking for a compromise, but it did not grow together. The globe is not a resort or an alley for walking, you do not want a compromise, get a war and let the strongest win. This is how objective civilizational processes work.
    I don't think I need to comment on my right of residence in accordance with international law?
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 15 May 2021 22: 50
      +1
      I know that according to the biblical legend, God brought the Jews from Egypt to the promised (Old Slavonic: promised) land of Palestine.

      According to the Bible, God told Moses that he would lead the Jews to “a good and wide land, where milk and honey flow” (Exodus 3: 8 and 17; Deuteronomy 8: 7,8, 9 and XNUMX). The Promised Land of Palestine is named in the Epistle to the Hebrews.

      Historians say that before founding their state, the Jews were nomads and there were twelve nomadic tribes.

      And here are your words:

      Quote: AlexZN
      Israel is the name of the people (descendants of Israel \ Jacob), historically the name LAND OF ISRAEL (Eretz Israel) was used, the current state is called the State of Israel (i.e. the state of the Jewish people - Israel).

      Not only were you unable to refute Galina, but you also insulted her, calling her poorly educated. For some reason you kept silent about the Bible. yes

      PS That's what she said Galina Pigareva:

      Quote: Galina Pigareva
      Tatyana, you'd better read the Bible and see a map of the Old Testament times. There is not a word about the state of Israel. There are lands of 12 and tribes of Israel. The State of Israel emerged in 1948 and since then has been pulling its tentacles in all directions.
  36. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 23: 30
    -2
    Quote: isofat
    I know that according to the biblical legend, God brought the Jews from Egypt to the promised (Old Slavonic: promised) land of Palestine.

    According to the Bible, God told Moses that he would lead the Jews to “a good and wide land, where milk and honey flow” (Exodus 3: 8 and 17; Deuteronomy 8: 7,8, 9 and XNUMX). The Promised Land of Palestine is named in the Epistle to the Hebrews.

    Historians say that before founding their state, the Jews were nomads and there were twelve nomadic tribes.

    And here are your words:

    Quote: AlexZN
    Israel is the name of the people (descendants of Israel \ Jacob), historically the name LAND OF ISRAEL (Eretz Israel) was used, the current state is called the State of Israel (i.e. the state of the Jewish people - Israel).

    Not only were you unable to refute Galina, but you also insulted her, calling her poorly educated. For some reason you kept silent about the Bible. yes

    PS That's what she said Galina Pigareva:

    Quote: Galina Pigareva
    Tatyana, you'd better read the Bible and see a map of the Old Testament times. There is not a word about the state of Israel. There are lands of 12 and tribes of Israel. The State of Israel emerged in 1948 and since then has been pulling its tentacles in all directions.

    I didn't even understand right away ... Have you read the Bible at all? Should we discuss common knowledge? Or is there not in the Bible the story of the king of the KINGDOM OF ISRAEL Saul, the story of the kings of Israel David and Solomon? Or is the presence of a king and a kingdom the absence of a state? Are you trying to prove to me that the Old Testament does not mention the land of Israel and the kingdom of Israel? I am already silent about the KING OF THE JEWS, the prefect of the Jews, Pilate ...
    Map of the 12 borders of the country of Israel is an illustration of how Jacob divided the land between his sons.
    The Promised Land of Israel has been called since the moment of Britt - the union between God and the people even under Moses ...
  37. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 15 May 2021 23: 35
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    Quote: isofat
    Historians say that before founding their state, the Jews were nomads and there were twelve nomadic tribes.

    By your logic, they created it in 1948 ...
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  39. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 16 May 2021 17: 05
    0
    Quote: Galina Pigareva
    580, so "the Palestinians were invented by Primakov and Andropov"? Low bow to you for such knowledge. Are you probably a victim of the exam?

    And again, Galina, you will have to point out to you the lack of basic knowledge.
    Until 1948, all residents of the mandated Palestine were called Palestinians, and PALESTINE was written in Golda Meir's passport. In our case, we are talking about the people - the Palestinian people, which (at least the name) was invented by the KGB. Arabs living in Palestine at the moment turned into a Palestinian people. Local Arabs call themselves Palestinians or Palestinian Arabs. You need to understand how identification works among the Arabs. The Arabs liked the idea of ​​a Palestinian people; today we can already say that there is a Palestinian people. The truth is largely due to the fact that all the surrounding countries (maybe except for Jordan) at the everyday level very harshly drive the Palestinians into refugee camps and keep them as outcasts.
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 17 May 2021 05: 11
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      You are illiterate. In our time, the rabble that the Zionists brought to Palestine in the last forty years call themselves "mythical Israelites"
  40. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 18 May 2021 09: 31
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    - This is how the Israeli police took it, went up to the mosque and began to pour rubber bullets on peaceful Arabs ?! Stupid and blatant lie!
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    Michael1950 (Michael) 18 May 2021 09: 34
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    Quote: Spiritual
    Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
    Am I hiding that I am writing from Israel?

    How do you relate to Palestine: Palestinians have more rights to this land than you immigrants

    - The homeland of the Palestinian Arabs is Saudi Arabia.
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    Michael1950 (Michael) 18 May 2021 09: 40
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    Quote: Marzhetsky
    ... that my dislike applies personally to you and your kind. I have no complaints about the Jewish people in general. It just so happens that three of my three friends are Jews. For me, there is no equal sign between Jews and Israelis.

    - Why haven't your three Jewish friends spat in your face so far? Or are your Jewish friends still hanging around among Russian anti-Semites? And the scribblers who draw their libels from the anti-Zionist pamphlets of the early 70s?
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