Poles told what needs to be done for good relations with Russians


Relations between Russia and Poland are traditionally characterized by complexity and a tendency towards mutual claims and grievances. Now, after the expulsion of the diplomats of the two countries from Warsaw and Moscow, the quality of bilateral ties has deteriorated even more. The Polish edition Onet analyzes the reasons for the disagreements between the two countries, and also gives its recipes for improving relations with the Kremlin.


Onet experts see several reasons for the quarrels between Poland and Russia. One of them is the difference in approaches to geopolitics. Warsaw adheres to the NATO position of containing the Russian Federation and preventing it from entering Europe, as well as maintaining American dominance on the European continent. In Moscow, they strive for a balance of power and a "concert of powers". At the same time, according to the Poles, Russia is an aggressive state that should not be allowed to the European security system.

The second reason for the bad relations between the two countries is the buffer zone between Russia and Poland in the form of Ukraine and Belarus. Poles are interested in both countries remaining free and independent from the Kremlin. Moscow, on the other hand, seeks to subordinate these regions to its influence. Moreover, neither Russia nor Poland is ready for compromises in this regard. The independence of Kiev and Minsk from the countries of the West and Russia, respectively, is not yet possible.

Another reason for the quarrels can be called different views on history. Moscow accuses the Polish authorities of falsifying the events and results of World War II, while in Poland they adhere to different views on this matter, recalling Katyn and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and its consequences for the countries of Eastern Europe and the Baltic states.

Onet believes that Poland needs to build up its military potential anyway. Moreover, this is true both in the event of a deterioration in relations between Russia and the United States, and in their warming. To minimize possible foreign policy losses, Warsaw must take a number of steps towards Moscow.

First of all, Poles must abandon their irrational Russophobia, especially with regard to historical monuments and Soviet burials in Poland, and stop equating the Soviet Union of the 30s-40s with Nazi Germany. It is also necessary to show at least a minimum of respect for Russia's point of view, despite the difference in approaches to solving international problems.
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  1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
    Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 May 2021 17: 53
    +12
    Poland is a mono-ethnic state - because other nations were expelled from there or exterminated. And now a representative of this sad state talks about aggressive Russia - in which 756 nationalities coexist in peace and harmony.

    - 1939 – 1944 years. Extermination of the Jewish population by the Nazis with the support of Polish nationalists.
    - 1945 – 1946 years. Persecution and "squeezing" into emigration of Jews returning from the USSR and concentration camps.
    - 1945 – 1947 years. The expulsion of Ukrainians and Lemko (Rusyns) in the framework of the treaty with the USSR "on the exchange of population". Refusal of the “voluntary” resettlement led to deportation to Ukraine.

    Here about us, about the Slavic population -

    “Sooner or later, the Belarusian population is subject to polonization. It is a passive mass, without a broad popular consciousness, without its own state traditions. In rural volosts where the Belarusian population lives, the material culture of the Poles must, of course, be raised to the highest level. In short, our attitude towards Belarusians can be formulated as follows: we want one thing and insistently demand that this national minority think in Polish - give nothing in return and do nothing in a different direction. It is necessary to make a decision that any reserve of land or private parceling of Polish estates takes place on condition that the land is transferred to the hands of the Poles and, if possible, to the Belarusian elements, then only showing the tendency of polonization. The proletarianized Belarusian element moving from village to city is generally subject to faster assimilation there than in the countryside ... The point is not to reduce the land holdings of the Poles, because from the point of view of the country's politics, those in whose hands the land are higher ... "

    At the same time, according to the Poles, Russia is an aggressive state that should not be allowed to European security system.

    laughing for good relations with Russians - to repent and beat your brow. And then, I will not treat the Poles normally. These are the enemies of my state. We will share them in general again.
    1. argo44 Offline argo44
      argo44 (mac) 13 May 2021 18: 39
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      Poland is mono-ethnic mainly because the USSR after 1945 illegally appropriated our eastern territories, inhabited mainly by Belarusian and Ukrainian populations. Under the guise of "liberation from Polish oppression" - as we know it - extermination and deportation to Siberia. Polecam:
      https://news.tut.by/society/415857.html
      1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
        Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 May 2021 18: 41
        +10
        and we are Jews too, yeah.
        I tell you - we will divide you. Here in Russia, no one even asks - but what for the Poles?

        Everything here vkurse. Everything will go smoothly and like a brother, don't worry. Siberia is waiting for new blood
        1. argo44 Offline argo44
          argo44 (mac) 13 May 2021 18: 52
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          Jews were exterminated in Poland by the Germans. Raising the topic of participation of Polish citizens - whether forced or not - to participate in these events - and spreading it to the entire Polish people is a great abuse or manifestation of intellectual laziness. There are bad and weak people everywhere, including in the USSR and in Russia. War is not black and white, and such discussions lead nowhere. Pre-war Jews - a minority of about 10% - were very burdensome for Polish citizens - because they were like a state within a state - they did not assimilate, but tried to influence the policy of the Polish state in accordance with their own interests. regardless of the interests of the majority and all non-Jews, they were often treated shamefully. Unsurprisingly, some of them disliked them.
          1. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
            Alexndr p (Alexander) 13 May 2021 18: 54
            +10
            Pre-war Jews - a minority of about 10% - were very burdensome for Polish citizens - because they were like a state within a state - they did not assimilate, but tried to influence the policy of the Polish state in accordance with their own interests. regardless of the interests of the majority and all non-Jews, they were often treated shamefully. Unsurprisingly, some of them disliked them.

            I understand that the Poles have already justified this movement in front of themselves) it seems to me that the Nazis, too, somehow justified it in front of themselves. This is psychology. Defensive reaction to created evil.

            Jews were exterminated in Poland by the Germans

            - 1945 – 1946 years. Persecution and "squeezing" into emigration of Jews returning from the USSR and concentration camps.

            yeah laughing
            1. argo44 Offline argo44
              argo44 (mac) 13 May 2021 19: 03
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              1945-1946. The persecution and "squeezing" into emigration of Jews returning from the USSR and concentration camps.

              yeah
              Thanks for this comment.

              The fact is that post-war Poland was mainly ruled by officials elected and imprisoned by the Soviet government.
              It was the Soviet government and its puppets who decided everything in Poland - about the export of coal, uranium to the USSR, about the export of industrial infrastructure, about the method of building a political system, about party membership, even about the language - there was never a "comrade" in Poland - this is an imposed move Soviet power and its communist allies.

              The Soviet government filled the offices - and also organized the Security Directorate - where it attracted criminals, traitors, Gestapo agents, including the Polish-speaking Gestapo from Gdansk - it was the USSR that created the Polish People's Republic and our current problems.
            2. argo44 Offline argo44
              argo44 (mac) 13 May 2021 19: 26
              .
              https://maciejsynak.blogspot.com/2021/05/spisek-drugowojenny.html
          2. Bakht Online Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 May 2021 20: 14
            +5
            You'd better remember pre-war Poland. Madagascar was not invented by the Germans, but by the Poles.

            The Polish nationalists put forward the slogan Żydzi na Madagaskar! ("Jews to Madagascar!"). It was a call to "free Poland from Jewish influence" - to deport to Madagascar first 40-60 thousand Polish Jews, and then the rest of their co-religionists, whose "surplus" haunted Polish anti-Semites
            1. argo44 Offline argo44
              argo44 (mac) 13 May 2021 23: 06
              -5
              You see, the influence of outsiders in that Poland was so strong that loud bells rang out - Madagascar ...
              1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                Ulysses (Alexey) 13 May 2021 23: 14
                +4
                "Outsiders", are the citizens of Poland not the titular nation ??
                And how are you different from Nazi Germany? belay
                1. argo44 Offline argo44
                  argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 01: 23
                  -6
                  Poles brought to Madagascar?
                  No.
                  Did the Germans start a war in which 40 million Russians died ??
                  YES.
                  So what don't you understand? Can't you distinguish the robbers who systematically kill innocent defenseless people from the Righteous Among the Nations ??

                  Why do you Russians love Germans so much? I do not understand this.
                  After all, back in 1933, they built camps for their citizens.
                  1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                    Ulysses (Alexey) 14 May 2021 23: 07
                    +4
                    So what don't you understand? Can't you distinguish the robbers who systematically kill innocent defenseless people from the Righteous Among the Nations ??

                    Why do you Russians love Germans so much? I do not understand this.

                    Our historical memory does not allow us to refer the Polish state to the "Righteous Among the Nations". request
                    Throughout the history of Polish statehood, I don’t remember that we were allies (except for the short post-war period of socialist Poland).

                    Ivan Susanin did not lead the Germans through the thickets. negative

                    Lzhedmitriev was not brought to Moscow either by the Germans.

                    PS We do not love everyone who encroaches on "our" (land, culture, religion).
                    In that sense, you, as your closest neighbors, have committed many heinous deeds.
                    Your repentance for the atrocities you have committed will undoubtedly improve our relationship.
                    Ready?
                    1. argo44 Offline argo44
                      argo44 (mac) 22 May 2021 18: 43
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                      Nie wiedziałem, że tu na forum wpuszczają 15-to latków. Odpowiem ci po polsku, żeby nie było, że tłumacz gogla coś przekręcił. Twoja wrócić do szkoła - tam twoja miejsce.
                2. argo44 Offline argo44
                  argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 01: 36
                  -5
                  Don't you know that either?

                  https://www.belta.by/interview/view/v-muzee-istorii-vov-rasskazali-ob-eksponiruemyh-predmetah-iz-sozhzhennyh-fashistami-dereven-7771
                3. argo44 Offline argo44
                  argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 01: 57
                  -5
                  In modern France, the military appealed to the state authorities with an appeal to "save the country in danger of collapse" - the same happened in Poland before the war, the Poles learned from the past, tried to fix it, France is likely to have a civil war.

                  What don't you like ??
                  Are you now going to accuse the French of "anti-Islamism" ???

                  They are fighting for their country.

                  I expected smart people here, not media eaters.
              2. Bakht Online Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 May 2021 23: 23
                +5
                What are the outsiders? This was the decision of the Polish government. Poland pursued a discriminatory policy towards all minorities. They decided to expel the Jews altogether.
                Poland is the only European country that had territorial claims to ALL of its neighbors. By the way, she still has them.

                In December 1937 came out official government announcement in the publication "Polska Informacja Polityczna", which stated that the issue of Jewish emigration to Madagascar "moved from the field of theoretical discussions to the path of existing opportunities"
                1. argo44 Offline argo44
                  argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 01: 26
                  -6
                  Poland is the only European country that had territorial claims to ALL of its neighbors. By the way, she still has them.

                  Конечно.
                  In the end, Poland fell as a result of internal Prussian sabotage - and her lands were plundered between the three countries.
                  That is why we demand ours.

                  What is the source of this quote?
                  1. Bakht Online Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 May 2021 07: 35
                    +5
                    The eviction of Jews from Poland was the policy of the Polish state. Whose idea it was is not important. Madagascar then belonged to France. There were negotiations with France about the settlement of the island by Jews. A completely official delegation was sent to Madagascar. Polish.
                    In pre-war Poland, of the 35 million population of Poles, there were only 22 million. The rest were discriminated against. Basically, pre-war Poland was a fascist state. But at that time in Europe, half of the states were fascist.
                    And it is interesting to me that this is "your own" do you demand? I say that Poland (both old and new) has territorial claims to all its neighbors. You should erect monuments to Stalin in every city, because he created Poland. Wrong, of course.
                    1. argo44 Offline argo44
                      argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 08: 47
                      -5
                      I already answered what you wrote in the comments below. Maybe I will add - as far as I know, you in Russia say to people from the south of Russia: black. This is a contemptuous term. Are these blacks Muslims too?
                      There are Muslims in Europe who demand that European girls wear a veil. Do you think it's normal for a minority - a visitor to your country - to tell you how to deal with your children and wife?

                      Do you know what will happen when Muslims in Russia start telling you how to behave?

                      Pogroms will begin, and you will be accused of ANTISEMITISM - but no, sorry, I was wrong - you will be accused of anti-Islamism.

                      Do you understand what is the difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Islamism? There's nothing here.

                      This is just propaganda.

                      When the Americans want to attack you, they say: "Putin is evil, he is a murderer and a despot - we must free the Russians from tyranny."
                      And the dramatization of the war begins.
                      You resist this, and then the media in the world start calling you anti-Semite - I mean, no, I was wrong again - they call you anti-democratic or anti-American - or even anti-humanism!

                      Do you want to stigmatize Poles as anti-Semitism or do you want to establish facts?

                      Instead of persistently convincing me of your anti-Polish propaganda, perhaps it is better to engage in reliable journalism, analysis, deception and build good relations with other countries.
                      1. Bakht Online Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 May 2021 09: 02
                        +5
                        Lots of letters and little meaning. I don't blame anyone. I'm just lining up the facts.
                        Poland is an aggressive state with territorial claims to all its neighbors. And now too.
                        Pre-war Poland was a semi-fascist state that carried out forcible polonization and pursued this policy at the state level. Do you understand the difference between the state level and private manifestations of xenophobia?
                        Modern Poland in its present borders exists only thanks to the USSR and personally to Comrade Stalin.
                        "What do the Poles need to do for good relations with the Russians?" Stop anti-Russian propaganda and thank the USSR for its existence.
                        The ball is on the side of Poland. She SHOULD think about what she needs to do.

                        PS I am not conducting anti-Polish propaganda. I just clearly define who is the enemy and who is the friend. Modern Poland is the enemy of Russia.
                      2. argo44 Offline argo44
                        argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 12: 24
                        -5
                        Katyn is an unproven case. The fact that the traitors to the USSR admitted something does not make this fact reliable.

                        When something is uncomfortable, they are traitors.

                        So similarly:

                        The fact that the traitors of Poland confessed to something does not confirm this fact.

                        Lipsky was a German agent.
                        Beck was a German agent.
                        Pilsudski and all his entourage were German agents.

                        What do Poles need to do for good relations with Russians? Stop anti-Russian propaganda and thank the USSR for its existence.
                        The ball is on the side of Poland. She SHOULD think about what she needs to do.

                        Ahhhh ... so you know perfectly well, you only pretend you don't know - because here you are going to make imperial politics.

                        Yes, we killed the Poles, yes, we robbed and took your lands from you. Now keep quiet, because we do not want to pay you compensation, we do not want to fix this, we want to be heroes, not robbers. ... And if you do not, then we will hit you with an atom, and the problem will be solved.

                        All my life, all sorts of people have talked to me in code and made me understand something, and I really don't like it when someone says something to me - in code.
                        Find yourself someone for your encrypted speech.
                      3. Bakht Online Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 May 2021 12: 29
                        +3
                        It turns out that the entire leadership of pre-war Poland was German. This is something new in the history of Poland. I especially liked about Pilsudski.
                        For a little while you were enough. Pshek never had a culture.
                        You ought to read the Katyn affair not only what the propagandists of Poland dashed off. And the details.
                        In general, I realized that you do not know the history of Poland (except for propaganda).
                        I understand that it is difficult for you with translation, but try to translate and understand

                        Donkey cannot be proven because he is a donkey
                      4. argo44 Offline argo44
                        argo44 (mac) 22 May 2021 18: 46
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                        Nie mam w zwyczaju się powtarzać, ale być może tłumacz gogla coś przekręcił i nie zrozumiałeś co napisałem, więc napiszę ci to po polsku. Jak twoja lubi szyfrowana mowa, to twoja znajdzie sobie głupka na swój poziom iz nim głupotki uprawia. Twoja się do moja nie odzywa więcej.
                      5. Bakht Online Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 May 2021 21: 45
                        +3
                        The translation is clumsy, but I understood something.
                        We do not understand each other because we see the world differently.

                        I worked a lot with the Poles. And for a long time. We talked a lot about politics. I was always amazed at their ignorance of elementary things. And you know, they agreed with my arguments in the end.
                        Have you read the Potsdam conference papers? Not what the newspapers say, but the transcripts? The Yalta conference in general was under threat of breakdown precisely on the Polish question. It was Stalin who drew the western borders of Poland. And the eastern border was drawn by the British and Americans along the Curzon line. So there is nothing of yours in the east. And if there is, then you need to make claims not to Russia, but to Ukraine and Belarus. Try to take away from Lukashenka, for example, Brest. I myself would gladly give Lviv to you.
                      6. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                        Ulysses (Alexey) 22 May 2021 23: 07
                        +1
                        Nie mam w zwyczaju się powtarzać, ale być może tłumacz gogla coś przekręcił i nie zrozumiałeś co napisałem, więc napiszę ci to po polsku. Jak twoja lubi szyfrowana mowa, to twoja znajdzie sobie głupka na swój poziom iz nim głupotki uprawia. Twoja się do moja nie odzywa więcej.

            2. argo44 Offline argo44
              argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 09: 06
              -5
              Stalin did not create Poland.
              There was no Poland in Stalin's plans, as evidenced by the Ribentropp-Molotov Pact.
              Stalin, wishing to defeat Germany, inevitably liberated Poland from the Germans.
              If Germany was defeated - why did Stalin recreate the eastern border of the German Empire ???
              They don't tell you a lot of things. You in Russia do not know that in Poland we were occupied by the USSR - they think similarly in Belarus and other countries of the former USSR.
              In the end, the reluctance of these countries towards Russia did not arise out of nowhere.
              1. Bakht Online Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 May 2021 09: 10
                +2
                You have a misconception about history. After the war, Stalin did not occupy Poland, but created it. Read the documents of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences. Not what the Polish propagandists put into your head, but specific documents. They don't tell you a lot. Poland is half made up of German lands that Stalin gave her.
                Poland proudly said that it was she who buried the Eastern Pact. Poland was the first to sign the Pact with Germany. Poland was the first to start World War II by attacking Czechoslovakia. Poland hatched plans to seize Ukraine.
              2. argo44 Offline argo44
                argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 09: 22
                -4
                Katyn is a proven case.
                I see that you adhere to the propaganda line established in the USSR.
                You only know what the authorities consider necessary to give you.
                As the saying goes, "What did you want? What you put in your brain is what you get!"
              3. Bakht Online Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 May 2021 09: 29
                +4
                Katyn is an unproven case. The fact that the traitors to the USSR admitted something does not make this fact reliable. Most likely the Germans killed there.
                You need to study specifically for you. In Poland, historians are being tried for raising the issue of the oppression of Jews. There was a political scandal with the cancellation of a visit to Israel. Most recently - in 2019. Israel considers the cooperation of Germans and Poles in the Jewish question wave proven.

                Israeli Foreign Minister Yisrael Katz said during an interview with Israel's i24: “I am a child of Holocaust survivors. We will not forgive or forget this, and many Poles collaborated with the Nazis"
                "Poles collaborated with Germans during the Holocaustand I don't know anyone who has ever been tried for such statements. "
                Yisrael Katz said: “The Prime Minister was clear ... Poles absorbed anti-Semitism with mother's milk"

                You only know what you put into your head. Learn. Read on. And do not litter the Russian segment of the Internet with your false opinions. You have nothing to say but quotes from writers. And that's not all. If you want to measure yourself with quotations, then I will fill you up with official letters and telegrams from the leading officials of pre-war Poland.
              4. Bakht Online Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 May 2021 09: 40
                +2
                Recording of the meeting of the heads of government
                February 6, 1945, 16 p.m., Livadia Palace

                Stalin says that, as Churchill just said, the question of Poland is a matter of honor for the British government. Stalin understands this. For his part, however, he must say that for the Russians, the question of Poland is not only a matter of honor, but also a matter of security. A matter of honor, because Russians in the past had many sins before Poland. The Soviet government seeks to atone for these sins. A security issue because the most important strategic problems of the Soviet state are connected with Poland.

                The point is not only that Poland is a border country with us. This, of course, matters, but the heart of the problem goes much deeper. Throughout history, Poland has always been a corridor through which an enemy attacked Russia passed. Suffice it to recall at least the last thirty years: during this period, the Germans passed through Poland twice to attack our country. Why did the enemies still pass through Poland so easily? First of all, because Poland was weak. The Polish corridor cannot be closed mechanically from the outside by Russian forces alone. It can only be securely closed from within by Poland's own forces. This requires Poland to be strong. That is why the Soviet Union is interested in creating a powerful, free and independent Poland. The question of Poland is a matter of life and death for the Soviet state.

                Hence the sharp turn that we made in relation to Poland from the policy of tsarism. It is known that the tsarist government sought to assimilate Poland. The Soviet government completely changed this inhuman policy and took the path of friendship with Poland and ensuring its independence. This is where the reasons why Russians stand for a strong, independent and free Poland.

                Now about the specific issues that were raised in the discussion and on which there are disagreements.

                First of all, about the Curzon line. He, Stalin, should note that the Curzon line was not invented by the Russians. The authors of the Curzon line are Curzon, Clemenceau and the Americans who participated in the 1919 Paris Conference. There were no Russians at this conference. Curzon's line was adopted on the basis of ethnographic data against the will of the Russians. Lenin did not agree with this line. He did not want to give Poland Bialystok and the Bialystok region, which, in accordance with the Curzon line, were to go to Poland.

                The Soviet government has already retreated from Lenin's position. Well, do you want us to be less Russian than Curzon and Clemenceau? That way you will bring us to shame. What will the Ukrainians say if we accept your proposal? They would probably say that Stalin and Molotov turned out to be less reliable defenders of the Russians and Ukrainians than Curzon and Clemenceau. With what face would he, Stalin, return to Moscow then? No, let it be better that the war with the Germans continues a little longer, but we must be able to compensate Poland at the expense of Germany in the west.

                During Mikolajczyk's stay in Moscow, he asked Stalin which border of Poland in the west was recognized by the Soviet government. Mikolajczyk was very happy when he heard that we recognize the line along the Neisse River as the western border of Poland. By way of explanation, it must be said that there are two rivers Neisse: one of them flows more to the east, near Breslavl, and the other - more to the west. Stalin believes that the western border of Poland should go along the Western Neisse, and he asks Roosevelt and Churchill to support him in this.
          3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) 14 May 2021 22: 33
            +5
            According to the decisions of the Potsdam Conference, which was followed by the Soviet-Polish Treaty of 1945, the eastern regions of Germany located east of the Oder / Neisse line were annexed to independent Poland: part of West Prussia, part of Silesia, Eastern Pomerania and East Brandenburg, the former Free City of Danzig, and also the district of Szczecin to the west of the river.

            The lip is not cracked from "Stalin recreated the eastern border of the German Empire" ?

            Apart from most of East Prussia. repeat

            PS You don't know the history of your own country cholera jasna.
      2. Bakht Online Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 May 2021 07: 38
        +4
        Are there no such quotes in the Polish segment of the Internet? But what about freedom of speech and European values? It seems that in Europe they are brainwashed quite successfully. You only know what the authorities consider necessary to give you.
        As the saying goes, "What did you want? What you put in your brain is what you get!"

        https://interaffairs.ru/news/show/26813
        1. argo44 Offline argo44
          argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 09: 14
          -3
          I do not read Russian, I only use a browser that translates automatically. Translation is not precise.

          Not everything is so in this text, I see a lot for the first time.

          In August 1942, the writer Zofia Kossak, head of the underground Catholic organization Front for the Renaissance of Poland, published a leaflet: “We speak for the Poles. Our attitude towards Jews has not changed. We still regard them as Polish politicians. economic and ideological enemies

          You see, a lot of things are broken down into semantics.

          She must say:

          Our attitude towards Jews has not changed. We continue to believe that Jews saw themselves as political, economic and ideological enemies of Poland.

          As I wrote in the introduction to Werwolf.

          http://werwolfcompl.blogspot.com/
          1. Bakht Online Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 May 2021 09: 17
            +4
            Again for your own?
            It seems Napoleon said that from quotes from any writer he can make a staircase to the scaffold.
            Do you still not understand the difference between a writer and a politician? I know a bunch of people who are not xenophobic. But the policy of their state is precisely xenophobic. The OFFICIAL position of the Polish government throughout the 20s and 30s is the forcible polonization of national minorities. And the Jews are generally expelled from the country. Why did Ambassador Lipsky offer to erect a monument to Hitler in Warsaw?
            It's clear?
    2. argo44 Offline argo44
      argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 01: 29
      -7
      Jews in Madagascar are a slogan mistakenly assigned to the Polish right-wing circles, which is an element of the political struggle in Poland.

      The concept of a Jewish settlement in Madagascar was one of the alternatives proposed by some Zionist circles in their search for a new political formula for the Jewish nation in the form of an independent state [footnote needed]. This issue is discussed in the article "Project for the Resettlement of European Jews in Madagascar."

      https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBydzi_na_Madagaskar
    3. argo44 Offline argo44
      argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 01: 33
      -8
      And also about the bankers who, out of fear for their interests, financed the power of Prussia.

      https://www.nacjonalista.pl/2019/11/12/prof-iwo-cyprian-pogonowski-elita-zydowska-przeciwko-polsce/

      Every thing has a reason.
  • silver169 Offline silver169
    silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) 14 May 2021 07: 56
    +6
    argo44 I cannot agree with you that your country is a mono-ethnic state. In Poland, Jews and Gypsies, Belarusians and Ukrainians, as well as other nations that do not consider themselves Poles, still live in considerable numbers. Take, for example, the Belostotsk voivodeship, inhabited predominantly by Belarusians who, for the most part, do not identify themselves with the Poles. Despite the traditional Polonization, these people retained their faith (Orthodox), language (a mixture of Russian and Belarusian). In almost every locality where there is a church, there is also an Orthodox church nearby, where services are conducted not in Old Slavonic, but in RUSSIAN LANGUAGE. At Orthodox cemeteries in this voivodeship, all the inscriptions on monuments and crosses are in RUSSIAN ... In general, it seems to me that you got a little excited about calling Poland a monoethical country. As always, you, Poles, wishful thinking.)) By the way, what I wrote about I know firsthand, my wife is from Bielsk Podlaskie, she is Polish by her father and Belarusian by her mother. I know your country very well, where I have been many times. Unfortunately, I don't go there anymore, because of the frenzied anti-Russian propaganda, a Russian-speaking person becomes uncomfortable there, and sometimes just dangerous. ((
    1. argo44 Offline argo44
      argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 08: 31
      -7
      I used the word mono-ethnicity, quoting the previous speaker, of course, that there are various ethnic groups and national minorities in Poland. The insane nati-Russian propaganda is organized by the services and aims to divert the attention of the Poles from the real danger that the West now poses, in the Russian press I see a similar anti-Polish propaganda - the media controlled from Germany are pushing Poles against nuclear Russia and the Russians against weaker Poland. These people in Bialystok call themselves: HERE.
      1. silver169 Offline silver169
        silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) 14 May 2021 09: 21
        +3
        argo44 It seems to me that the secret services have nothing to do with it, your anti-Russian propaganda began after the Kaczynski brothers' Law and Justice party came to power. If my memory serves me, it happened in 2005, it was then that Russian-Polish relations rolled down an inclined plane. What we have as a result of such an unwise policy of the party of twin brothers - now Russian nuclear missiles are directed against your country, and in the event of a conflict between the Russian Federation and the United States, your country will be one of the first to fall under the distribution. That is, there will not be another partition of Poland, your country will simply be wiped off the face of the earth. (
        1. argo44 Offline argo44
          argo44 (mac) 14 May 2021 12: 10
          -5
          Anti-Russian propaganda began in 1990.

          And how long has anti-Polish propaganda dominated the Russian press?
  • BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
    BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 15 May 2021 17: 18
    +2
    Quote: argo44
    After 1945, the USSR illegally appropriated our eastern territories inhabited mainly by the Belarusian and Ukrainian populations.

    Doesn't it seem somewhat strange that the lands are "yours" and that they are inhabited by the Belarusian and Ukrainian populations? Where did it come from on these lands? The answer is outrageously simple: Poland has appropriated what should not belong to it.
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  • Benders have worked in Katyn, Russia is out of business!
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 13 May 2021 20: 12
      +5
      these were the wrong Ukrainians, and the right ones are waiting for Putin's buckwheat and stew and Russian pensions. and most importantly, new factories, so that they can then be put back into ferrous metal. it is not at the bench for a broad Ukrainian to stand. there will be no time to panu.
      1. Ukrainians just want a normal life, and in Russia they also let the factories go under the knife, Putin is still restoring!
  • Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 13 May 2021 18: 14
    +2
    The policy of endless curtsies to the "partners" is clearly not leading to anything good. Smolensk is a vivid example of this ...
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 13 May 2021 19: 56
      +2
      for the capture of Smolensk, crawling in shit and snot in front of the king, Khmelnytsky received a sabel from the Polish king

      According to the Chronicle of the Samovid, when Vladislav IV ascended the Polish throne and the war between the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Russian Empire began, Khmelnitsky in 1634 participated in the battles near Smolensk, which was besieged by Russian troops in 1632-1633.

      in honor of this gentry, the streets were named. now he turns out to be Russian too.
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 13 May 2021 21: 03
        0
        Hey! How are you? Actually, I'm talking about permission to land foreign aircraft in Severny Smolensk. Never an international airport.
  • Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 13 May 2021 19: 18
    +12
    The imperial ambitions of Poland are the reason for bad relations with the Russian Federation, and Poland has always looked at neighboring countries, including Russia, with contempt and a desire to chop off their lands, or occupy them completely.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 13 May 2021 20: 01
      +3
      they understand with the false Dmitry "freedom" brought Russian in times of turmoil, and in the end ate the servants of the Ukrainians, when the cats and rats ran out and were expelled. that's offended. who will like it when the shish kebab speaks on mov.
  • Ivancarafuto Offline Ivancarafuto
    Ivancarafuto (Ivan) 14 May 2021 08: 39
    +2
    The author is raving!

    Poles are interested in both countries remaining free and independent from the Kremlin.

    They are interested at least that these countries (Belarus and Ukraine) lie under the United States and at most under Poland, by the way, and do not hide this. This is especially illustrated by the latest events in Belarus.
  • Igor Lyamin Offline Igor Lyamin
    Igor Lyamin (Igor Lyamin) 15 May 2021 06: 56
    +1
    Silly article - Poles are saturated with vanity and pride and, as a result, Russophobia - and this is forever!
  • George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) 15 May 2021 13: 04
    +1
    Poland has always tried to stick to some predatory European power, so as to eat up like a vulture what remains after the predator's dinner. In the 1880s, the predators were England and Austria, in the 1920s - France, in the 1930s - Germany, and from the late 80s - the United States. However, everyone knows what atrocities these powers are to blame. Zoologists say that the hyena is always ready to bite the feeding hand ...

    And now, when ... England, leading France, proposes to guarantee the integrity of Poland - the very Poland that just six months ago with the greed of a hyena took part in the robbery and destruction of the Czechoslovak state,

    - wrote W. Churchill in his memoirs "The Second World War". Let's remind. In 1938, in alliance with Nazi Germany, the "long-suffering and peace-loving" Poland occupied Czechoslovakia. Yes, it was she who started that terrible massacre in Europe, which ended with Soviet tanks on the streets of Berlin. Hitler took the Sudetes for himself, and Poland took the Teshin region and some settlements on the territory of modern Slovakia.
  • George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) 15 May 2021 13: 07
    +1
    It became difficult for me in Poland. Cold and deceitful people live there. I did not know their snake tongue. Everybody hisses ... What are they hissing? It was God who gave them such a serpentine tongue for being deceitful

    Old Isergil

    The Red Army entered Poland only on the 17th day of World War II, when the Polish state as such did not exist, the Polish leadership fled to Romania and there was a threat of the Wehrmacht troops' withdrawal to the Soviet border (signing in Moscow on August 23, 1939 of the Soviet-German treaty about non-aggression did not cancel the threat).
    Poles are very fond of quoting Molotov's statement, made after the fall of Poland in 1939, that Poland is the ugly brainchild of the Treaty of Versailles. Molotov actually said these words. But Molotov only repeated the statements of one of the Polish diplomats, who similarly spoke about Czechoslovakia in 1938. That Czechoslovakia is a freak born of the Versailles Treaty.
    After the entry of Soviet troops into the territory of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus, Poland did not qualify the actions of the USSR as a war. In the same way, neither Britain nor France, the allies of the Poles, declared war on Moscow. In fact, they all agreed that the actions of the Soviet Union in Western Ukraine and Western Belarus were not in the nature of a war against Poland.

    About Polish concentration camps and the 1920 propaganda war
    https://www.fondsk.ru/news/2021/03/15/o-polskih-konclagerjah-i-propagandistskoj-vojne-53150.html

    On Polish fascism: there was practically no difference between the regimes of Hitler and Pilsudski https://www.fondsk.ru/news/2021/04/13/o-polskom-fashizme-53362.html

    Poland's bloody crime
    https://www.vesti.ru/article/2443107?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com