Historian Solonin: If the Bolsheviks had not appeared in Russia, the Nazis would not have won in Germany


Russian historian and writer Mark Solonin believes that the Second World War and its colossal sacrifices were the result (consequence) of the emergence of the USSR on the world map. He stated this on May 7, 2021, during the BATSMAN program, to the editor-in-chief of the GORDON online publication Ales Batsman.


According to Solonin's logic, if the Bolsheviks had not appeared in Russia and the "Leninist-Stalinist outrage" had not begun, then the Nazis would not have won in Germany and there would have been no World War II. The 62-year-old anti-Soviet explained that the Nazis had no chance to come to power in Germany, but the very existence of the USSR made it possible. The historian called the emergence of the USSR - the main problem of mankind in the twentieth century.

And the victory of the monstrous in its cruelty, inhumanity and madness of its organization of the totalitarian communist regime was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the twentieth century

- said Solonin.

The presenter asked what the historian thinks about the words of Vladimir Putin, said on December 16, 2010, when the Russian leader was the head of the Russian government.

Now about our relations with Ukraine. Let me disagree with you when you just said that if we were divided, we would not have won the war. We would have won anyway, because we are a country of winners ...

- Putin said then, recalling that more than 70% of all losses were incurred by the RSFSR.

Solonin called Putin's words "trolling and provocation", adding that they should not be paid attention to at all.

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  1. Don36 Offline Don36
    Don36 (Don36) 8 May 2021 17: 20
    +16
    And if Solonin were a grandmother, then perhaps he would have nursed his grandchildren and he would not have had time to carry such nonsense. Who is to blame for the First World War and other wars, the Bolsheviks or Hitler ?! There is always one reason for the war: The redistribution of spheres of influence ... This was under Kaiser Wilhelm and under Napoleon and under Frederick the Great and under Charles-12 ... and with Poland's attempts to conquer Russia through the False Dmitriev ...
    1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
      Kofesan (Valery) 8 May 2021 23: 43
      +9
      I don't know "grandmother" Solonik or ... but he is the same historian as Gollum from "Lord of the Rings". At least it looks like the latter much more ...


      By the way, who said that he was a "historian"? What kind of "Ukrainian"? HHa! .... and why was he called "Russian" if he is from Estonia?

      But if he is nobody, then why break a spear, you never know what kind of nonsense can occur to the "Napoleons" and other impostors "from the 6th chamber", especially Estonian, and not "Russian" as it was presented in the article.
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 9 May 2021 09: 54
      +4
      Another thing is interesting to me - since when did this abomination become a "Russian historian"? Did he confer this title on himself? Like Rezun? Well, then it is clear what kind of "historian" he is.
    3. Gadlei Offline Gadlei
      Gadlei 10 May 2021 08: 33
      +1
      All right, corned beef seems to have senile amnesia. And why the heck of such old senile people to print
  2. nikolaj1703 Offline nikolaj1703
    nikolaj1703 (Nikolai) 8 May 2021 17: 25
    +12
    History shows that the global confrontation between the West and Russia will continue forever, as long as the West and Russia exist. And in order not to become defeated in this confrontation, Russia should never renounce its national interests and demonstrate weakness. Otherwise, she can pay very hard for this. As history has shown, the Russian state is able to reborn from the ashes, but it is very expensive, and it is better not to experiment.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 May 2021 20: 42
      -4
      History just does not testify to this.

      1. Don36 Offline Don36
        Don36 (Don36) 9 May 2021 02: 49
        +5
        This only suggests that any nobility of Russia, the United States and the like will always be answered with black ingratitude, and therefore the Russian Federation is no longer worth helping them all, never, for it is not for a horse to feed
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 May 2021 11: 52
          -5
          It's funny, it's funny. Do you know what this picture is? Aivazovsky's "food distribution" is called. It was presented by the author to the American government together with the picture "Relief Ships" in gratitude for helping the Republic of Ingushetia with food during the "great" famine of 1892. The painting depicts the delivery of American food to a starving Russian village. How did you succeed with black ingratitude?
          1. Fourth Offline Fourth
            Fourth (Fourth) 9 May 2021 12: 07
            +3

            Russian fleet off the coast of America during the Civil War in 1862-63. Aivazovsky.

            The collection of humanitarian aid for the starving Russians by the Americans was organized by the philanthropist W. Edgar, who in the summer of 1891 published the first articles in his magazine, which spoke about the outbreak of famine in Russia.

            W. Edgar reminded his fellow citizens that during the Civil War of 1862–63, the Russian fleet rendered invaluable assistance to their country. Then distant Russia sent two military squadrons to the shores of America. At that time, there really was a real threat from England and France, which at any moment could come to the aid of the Southerners. However, the Russian flotilla stood at the American coast for about seven months - and the British and French did not dare to get involved in a conflict with Russia. This helped the Northerners to win the civil war.
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 May 2021 12: 11
              -6
              What did you want to say?
          2. Don36 Offline Don36
            Don36 (Don36) 18 May 2021 11: 31
            +4
            Only Russia was involved in the distribution, when it saved Alaska, already under US control, from the diphtheria epidemic, and the United States always only robbed everyone, and if they gave them for a ruble, they stole a hundred rubles.
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 18 May 2021 19: 03
              -2
              Dadada, who is Aivazovsky, he is not even Russian, the ancestors of the Armenians came from Galicia to Crimea. Bandera is shorter. And his paintings are Russophobic propaganda.

              We are all deeply touched that ships full of food come to us from America.

              Nikolashka said the second. But he is German, what can you take from him.

              By sending bread to the Russian people in times of hardship and want, the United States of America is the most moving example of fraternal feelings. Russian chemists who have dedicated themselves to the service of world science, at their meeting on May 7 (19), decided to ask their brothers from the Smithsonian Institution to convey their sincere gratitude to all individuals and institutions that have contributed to the provision of fraternal assistance.

              Mendeleev said that, although he is Russian, he invented vodka. Obviously the enemy.
              What a horror, 130 years ago, but still there are only Russophobes around.
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 9 May 2021 09: 36
        +4
        History just does not testify to this.

        As evidenced. Do you want to study it in separate fragments? Will not work No. We remember everything.


        Do you like how the Americans helped with food during the famine in 1891? And what did they do in Arkhangelsk in 1918 does not interest? Don't you like this story?
        I understand that you are a lackey and are always looking for what, in your opinion, we should owe them. Don't worry, nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten. We are getting ready to pay back, the production of chicken legs is growing.
      3. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 9 May 2021 09: 40
        +2
        Are you aware of the history of the appearance of this picture? I see that no. Otherwise, this nonsense would not be spread here! Shame.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 May 2021 13: 51
          -7
          Ahh ... Mr. internationalist who considers Ukrainians to be subhuman. Come on, bomb.
          1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex (Secret information) 10 May 2021 20: 04
            0
            You are always welcome - BAM !!! Feel better?
            And about the Ukrainians ... I myself am 1/6 of him! My ancestors first moved to the current Kursk region, and then, from there, to the South Urals (in the village we have such an area - Kurshchina), and in memory of Ukrainian roots (then the Ukrainians ALSO moved to YuU directly from Zaporozhye), the Garbuzovka district appeared .Therefore, I am an internationalist, unlike YOU.
            So here you are too! laughing
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 11 May 2021 00: 03
              -2
              Quote: A.Lex
              You are always welcome - BAM !!! Feel better?

              I thought you had something to say about the history of the food distribution picture. And all of you, then BAM?

              Quote: A.Lex
              And about the Ukrainians ... I myself am 1/6 of him! My ancestors first moved to the current Kursk region, and then, from there, to the South Urals (in the village we have such an area - Kurshchina), and in memory of Ukrainian roots (then the Ukrainians ALSO moved to YuU directly from Zaporozhye), the Garbuzovka district appeared .Therefore, I am an internationalist, unlike YOU.
              So here you are too!

              Do you think internationalism is inherited with genes? I am 1/4 Ukrainian (Granny also ran from Zaporozhye at 32 to the Kuban from hunger), 1/4 Kuban Cossack, 1/4 Belarusian and 1/4 Russian. But, unlike you, I do not give Ukrainians (like any other
              people) diagnosed for their choice of presidents. Moreover, the choice of the Russians (Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev) is also difficult to call adequate. So you and internationalism are not in the diversity of the nationalities of your ancestors, but in your attitude towards people of other nationalities. And your diagnosis of a whole nation contradicts the idea of ​​internationalism.
              1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                A.Lex (Secret information) 15 May 2021 21: 38
                0
                Not to the people - to its separate part - to the Galicians. Here they are sick in the head! And that's exactly the diagnosis.
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 15 May 2021 21: 51
                  -2
                  Do you think it changes something? You are wrong. For example, the Nazis made a diagnosis for any people. The people cannot be diagnosed. Can be diagnosed for
                  Your statements are only for you.
                  1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                    A.Lex (Secret information) 16 May 2021 22: 36
                    0
                    Nazis? Come on! And in the former Ukrainian SSR, what is the regime in this territory? Who actually rules the ball there ???
                    Everything is clear with you ... nEzalEzhny you are ours ...
                    ....... damn ... I won't even put "-" - it is a sin to evaluate people who are sick on the head ...
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 17 May 2021 17: 08
                      -2
                      Quote: A.Lex
                      And in the former Ukrainian SSR, what is the regime in this territory? Who actually rules the ball there ???

                      Let's bomb, who runs the show there? And even if this is so (and it is not so), you have taken a worthy place among the German Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists in making a diagnosis to the whole nation.

                      Quote: A.Lex
                      Everything is clear with you ... nEzalEzhny you are ours ...
                      ....... damn ... I won't even put "-" - it is a sin to evaluate people who are sick on the head ...

                      On this site, you are not the first who, due to the paucity of knowledge or intelligence, is not able to reasonably defend your position and moves on to the last argument of not a smart person, rudeness.
  3. there Offline there
    there 8 May 2021 17: 37
    +8
    The delirium of an ideological swindler.
    1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
      Kofesan (Valery) 8 May 2021 18: 20
      +2
      Highly paid parasitism is rampant in the RAS. And when the salaries are not according to merit, in complete isolation from the results of "activity", everyone begins to grieve from the mania of their own "genius". And "academicians" in particular and in the first place.

      It is like a plague and strikes everyone on whom freebies fall, from "bloggers" to "presidents".
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      2. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 8 May 2021 19: 16
        -9
        M.S.Solonin has nothing to do with the Russian Academy of Sciences and never had, never received a penny from this department. And in fact, there is nothing to object to, he is completely right, even in the Soviet school we were told in history lessons that Italian fascism and German National Socialism appeared as a reaction to the Bolshevik power in the USSR. Solonin did not mention the fact that the rise of the National Socialists led by Hitler to power as a result of the victory in the elections became possible thanks to Stalin, who forbade the German communists to run in elections in a bloc with the Social Democrats. If such a bloc had been created, the Nazis would not have won the victory, and Adolf Hitler would not have become the Chancellor of Germany, and the history of the twentieth century, perhaps, would have developed differently.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2021 19: 26
          +8
          Another delirium. Minus from me personally.
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 8 May 2021 19: 28
            -8
            And besides the minus, there are no arguments? What is not true in my post?
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2021 19: 43
              +8
              Nothing matches. You had a disgusting history teacher.
              1. Binder Offline Binder
                Binder (Miron) 8 May 2021 19: 50
                -6
                Clear. There are no arguments. bully
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2021 20: 06
                  +7
                  What are the arguments? In addition to the far-fetched phrase You have nothing. It was the Social Democrats who failed the alliance with the Communists. For the sake of justice, it should be noted that the communists were not eager for such an alliance. The Social Democrats have repeatedly failed all attempts by the Communists to create a united front against the Nazis. But this is beyond your knowledge.

                  And it seemed to me that the Fuehrer patted you on the cheek encouragingly

                2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2021 20: 21
                  +8
                  In July 1932 ... the KKE proposed organizing a general strike. This proposal of the German communists was debated for a long time by the leaders of the trade unions and social democrats, but was rejectedas too radical.

                  On January 23, 1933, the Nazis staged a provocative march on the headquarters of the Communist Party, the Social Democrats withdrew the Iron Front divisions from Berlin under the pretext of field exercises. to prevent the united struggle of the workers of the military organizations against the stormtroopers.

                  In the last presidential elections held in pre-war Germany on March 13, 1932 ... the SPD did not nominate its candidate, did not support the communists and did not even offer the KKE to nominate a single leftist candidate, and urged to vote for Hindenburg. And all this was done under the demagogic slogan: "Whoever chooses Hindenburg hits Hitler." The main candidates were Hindenburg, Hitler and Thälmann

                  As you know, the elderly Hindenburg was elected president, and less than a year later he appointed Hitler as chancellor and instructed to form a government. Did your teacher tell you about this?
                  1. Binder Offline Binder
                    Binder (Miron) 8 May 2021 21: 08
                    -11%
                    Good gentleman, you certainly do not assess the level of my knowledge. You don't really know the school curriculum either. Below I give short quotes from a Soviet textbook for the 9th grade of high school. Apparently you didn’t manage to finish your studies to this level, or did you study history in Azerbaijan using other textbooks?

                    Quote: Bakht
                    In addition. No historian in the school of the Soviet period could say this by definition.

                    Your knowledge is amazing. laughing
                    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2021 22: 33
                      +6
                      I have every right to assess the level of your knowledge. You have already been answered before me.
                      It is not news that socialism and communism scare capitalists. This has always been written about. And all the achievements of the West in the social sphere are due to the victory of socialism. These are vacations and an 8-hour working day and all other social services. And pensions too, by the way. But the fact that in 19 they began to create gangs of fascists ... You don't even understand that you are refuting your own arguments. Bavaria is the birthplace of fascism and Stalin brought the fascists to power, who aimed to destroy the communists. That is, Stalin was a complete idiot? And that Stalin brought Hitler to power is a complete lie. I already wrote why. In the late 20s, the NSDAP was on the verge of exhaustion. It was saved by capital infusions from the industrialists of the Ruhr. I also quoted quotes about who refused to cooperate - communists or social democrats.
                      Solonin pulls out only those facts that suit him. Somehow I did not see from him that it was the Social Democrats who had failed the united front against the fascists.
                      So, according to history, you have a two. Solid. And according to the knowledge of the structure of power in Germany in the 30s, the unit.
                      Now try doing arithmetic. Although both you and Solonin should have a unit in arithmetic. In the last elections, the NSDAP won more than 50% of the vote, the KKE - 30%, the Social Democrats - 15%. Add up the numbers and tell me how 45% could have failed Hitler in the elections? It seems to me that 50 is more than 45. The Germans voted for Hitler because he promised them a job and the destruction of Versailles' articles. And the German burghers were impressed by National Socialism more than International Socialism.
                      And the whole phrase of the "historian" Solonin

                      If the Bolsheviks had not appeared in Russia, the Nazis would not have won in Germany

                      which you believe to be true, is deceitful from beginning to end. The correct phrase should sound like this: "If the Allies had more wisdom in Versailles, Hitler would not have come to power. Solonin claims that if it had not been for Stalin, the Germans would have wiped themselves out and agreed that their country was so mercilessly plundered. Lloyd George's phrase has already been quoted to you. Solonin has not matured to this understanding, just like you.
                      It's useless to argue. You believe your idol and you hate your former homeland. It cannot be cured.
                      1. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) 8 May 2021 22: 42
                        -11%
                        Quote: Bakht
                        It is useless to argue.

                        It is really useless to argue with you, you consider your one-sided meager knowledge and conclusions made on its basis, fundamentally erroneous conclusions about the political, social and economic situation in Germany in the 20s and early 30s. and about the reasons for the Nazis coming to power as an absolute truth. Continue to think so in the future, I do not intend to educate the arrogant ignoramuses for free. hi
                      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2021 22: 44
                        +7
                        I can say the same to you. What do you know besides Corned beef? What facts can you cite? I have given you three facts when exactly the Social Democrats refused to cooperate with the Communists. Can you refute these facts by citing sources? Refute this fact if you can.
                      3. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                        A.Lex (Secret information) 9 May 2021 09: 52
                        0
                        Germany 20s and Germany 30s a bit from different socio-political situations:
                        The first is a republic (which is still up to the age of 33).
                        The second is the NAZI state.
                        Are you all in a bunch? Well then, it's clear with your "history"!
              2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2021 20: 35
                +10
                The KKE called on all workers, regardless of their party affiliation, together with the communists to create a united front in the struggle to overthrow the Hitlerite government. The governing body of the Social Democratic Party rejected this appeal by the German Communist Party as unacceptable.

                On February 19, 1933, the Socialist International bureau finally responded to the calls of the KKE and adopted a resolution in which it agreed to enter into negotiations with the Comintern on organizing a rebuff to fascism. In response to this appeal, Stalin, despite colossal opposition from the Leninist guard, who considered any concessions to the Social Democrats a betrayal, nevertheless pushed for the ECCI's adoption of a resolution on consent to negotiations with the socialists. However, given that the leadership of the Socialist International poorly controlled the leadership of its parties, the resolution of the Comintern of March 5 proposed to conduct these negotiations at the level of parties in those countries where the threat of fascism directly existed. Of course, primarily it was about negotiations between the KKE and the SPD, but it was the leadership of the German Social Democrats, who took a conciliatory position in relation to the Nazis, and opposed the alliance with the Communists.

                Didn't they tell you about this at school? For some reason, your idol "historian" Solonin does not mention this anywhere.
          2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex (Secret information) 9 May 2021 09: 41
            -1
            At school in the West Quite possible!
      3. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
        Kofesan (Valery) 8 May 2021 19: 34
        +7
        The truth is yours. But only about belonging to the Russian Academy of Sciences.

        Lives in Estonia. 9 programs on radio station "Echo of Moscow", radio "Liberty" (five large interviews were released). Anti-Soviet and admirer of Ukrainian obscurantism. He is considered to be a falsifier, including Russian academicians ...

        Why is his opinion here? Why is he being quoted here at all? I would chat with Gordon in Kiev and nobody would know anything about him. And I would not have known ... Well, I gave some lectures in Tallinn and ... But what's the difference ...! Insignificance and his name is "Nothing"

        Therefore, I confused it with another. This Mark ... And that one ... It doesn't matter. I have never heard of this before ... Excuse me ...
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2021 19: 58
          +12
          If you ask these "truth-tellers", it turns out that they had no idea about the program of the Social Democrats, had no idea about the structure of government in Germany. In the early 30s, no government held a majority in the Reichstag. All governments were anti-constitutional and the chancellor was personally appointed by the president. The election results influenced nothing. Germany in the early 30s was a PRESIDENTIAL republic.
          In addition. No historian in the school of the Soviet period could say this by definition. So all the knowledge of this Bindyuzhnik is taken from the programs that you indicated.
          I have one question for these "experts". When I read the biography of R. Zorge, I was surprised. The leadership knew that he was a member of the German Communist Party, was personally acquainted with Ernst Thälmann. This was absolutely no secret and did not in any way denigrate him in the eyes of the Nazi leadership. The question is simple. Where have the millions of members of the German Communist Party gone? They for the most part went over to the NSDAP. Because for them the ideas of National Socialism were higher than the ideas of International Socialism.
          The reason for the war is the unjust Treaty of Versailles and the attempts of the West to destroy the USSR.
          At the beginning, Solonina read his writings. Then he stopped. Apart from splashing saliva, he has nothing.
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 8 May 2021 21: 27
            -10%
            Quote: Bakht
            At the beginning, Solonina read his writings. Then he stopped. Apart from splashing saliva, he has nothing.

            Solonin's every word is supported by documentary evidence that he finds in Russian and foreign archives, he is completely devoid of ideological bias and the desire to hide or embellish any historical realities - only facts. And his illiterate opponents sprinkle saliva.
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2021 22: 37
              +6
              Solonin is a purely ideological hack. His facts are refuted by the scientific works of real scientists and historians. Solonin, Beshanov and other pack ... I read their writings to be aware of. But they have not a penny of faith. Especially Beshanov distinguished himself. I even hate to take his book "1945" in my hands. I don’t even want to give its name in full. So choose and shuffle only facts that are beneficial to him and skip those that do not suit him. Solonin also sins the same.
      4. chemyurij Offline chemyurij
        chemyurij (chemyurij) 8 May 2021 19: 43
        +7
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        he is completely right

        You have a strong logic, according to which I understand that if there were no Jews, there would be no Holocaust, if it were not for Stalin, then Israel would never have appeared as a state. Straight mind, does not shake your head?
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 8 May 2021 19: 53
          -12%
          Do not worry about my head, you try to refute with facts what I wrote, if you have your own head.
      5. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
        Kofesan (Valery) 8 May 2021 20: 04
        +7
        in the Soviet school we were told in history lessons that Italian fascism and German National Socialism appeared as a reaction to the Bolshevik rule in the USSR.

        And here, you lied ... Probably - by accident! Did you study poorly?

        I also studied in the secondary school and studied excellently ... I don’t remember something, what would someone write like that in Soviet textbooks. I remember something else: National Socialism - as a reaction to extremely humiliating peace with the Entente (read with the Anglo-Saxons and the French) and insane contributions from the defeated Germans. This is how I was taught at school. So they think now.
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 8 May 2021 21: 01
          -8
          Quote: Kofesan
          And here, you lied ... Probably - by accident! Did you study poorly?

          I also studied in the secondary school and studied excellently ... I don’t remember something, what would someone write like that in Soviet textbooks

          Especially for you, here are a couple of quotes from the textbook Recent History: P.N. Kuzmichev, G.R. Levin. for grade 9 high school, ed. 1983
          p. 56. “The victory of the October Revolution and the widespread dissemination of the ideas of socialism aroused fear for their future among the exploiting classes throughout the world. The November Revolution and the Bavarian Soviet Republic frightened the German bourgeoisie and landowners even more. gangs of fascist pogromists. It was Bavaria that became the birthplace of German fascism "
          p.57 "Hitler assured the representatives of the monopolies that his party considers the main task to be" the eradication of Marxism in Germany. "
          And who among us studied poorly? lol
          1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
            Kofesan (Valery) 8 May 2021 21: 40
            +6
            A-ha-ha-ha ... And then the quote was not continued .. From the textbook ... Ha-ha-ha ... Well, they made me laugh! What were you hoping that I would be too lazy and not go into the same tutorial ...? Oh, they killed me.

            To deceive the masses, the Nazis called themselves National Socialists. Taking into account the dissatisfaction of the general population with the terms of the Versailles Treaty, they put forward the slogan "Down with Versailles ..."

            Further in the textbook it is written about the slogans on which the Nazis conquered the mass character. This is "Down with Jewish financial capital" (PS, that is, in your opinion, according to Bindyuzhny, the Jews are also to blame for the appearance of the Nazis? ... ") bourgeoisie - loans.

            All this in the tutorial right after your quote. And the fact that the bosses of the Nazis were afraid after the crisis, which caused a sharp deterioration in the situation of "workers", competition from the Communists of Thälmann, is in the textbook before your quote.

            Losers -You. Sorry mua. Look in the book, but you see ... only one sentence from a text of ten pages ...
            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) 8 May 2021 21: 54
              -10%
              Yes, it is not clear why you were given "excellent" at school - you are completely deprived of the ability to think logically. Well, why should I give extra phrases from this textbook? I just wrote out what concerns the topic of the publication: "If the Bolsheviks had not appeared in Russia, the Nazis would not have won in Germany." And further delirium of this textbook in this case, was left overboard. You here told me that nothing like this could have happened in the Soviet school, so I poked you with my nose at the quotes. You probably did not even study in high school, but in a vocational school, hence the weak thinking abilities. lol
              1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
                Kofesan (Valery) 8 May 2021 22: 03
                +3
                The primary reason is the deterioration of the position of the masses in connection with the crisis and humiliation following the results of the First World War, and the USSR, by its example, was more attractive than the fascists and their capitalism. Therefore, the bosses of capital invested in Hitler. And he won on populist slogans. But the source of discontent is the Versailles Treaty and the global crisis.

                Thank you for analyzing my thinking ability. That means ... I am for you, secretly and inwardly, of course, although you don’t admit it, I’m already an "authority". Amen.
                1. Binder Offline Binder
                  Binder (Miron) 8 May 2021 22: 30
                  -8
                  Do not flatter yourself, your thinking abilities are still sparse, but all is not lost - work, improve and you will be happy. good And if

                  Quote: Kofesan
                  The USSR, by its example, was more attractive than the fascists and their capitalism.

                  then the Germans would not go to the Nazis without exception, but would continue to be members of the KKE and sympathizers with the cause of communism. However, this is a huge historical topic ...
                  1. Fourth Offline Fourth
                    Fourth (Fourth) 8 May 2021 22: 39
                    0
                    ... Our struggle against Bolshevism is not a struggle against socialism, but for socialism. Our attitude grew out of a deep conviction that real, genuine socialism can only be realized if we manage to put an end to its youngest and ugliest offspring - Jewish Bolshevism...

                    Joseph Goebbels, Nuremberg, September 1936
                    (Goebbels: Explaining the Causes of World War II)
                    https://cont.ws/@slavikapple/1941502
              2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                A.Lex (Secret information) 9 May 2021 10: 16
                +1
                laughing laughing laughing So in the same textbook - there is the ultimate truth, and in another place -

                further delirium of this tutorial

                ??
                It's like you have such a SELECTION with "extraordinary ease" ??? How are the classics there?

                here we play, here we do not play, here we wrap the fish

                Or is it MUCH EASIER? You are citing only those facts from the textbook in a LIMITED composition, which can be interpreted in the RIGHT way if you want to! And we have already passed this - "Add a piece of lie to the truth and the meaning of the truth changes to the exact opposite of what was originally declared!"
                Straight from the written:
                Lie a HUNDRED times and WILL THE LIE BECOME TRUE?
                Oh well....
      6. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 8 May 2021 22: 55
        +4
        Solonin did not mention the fact that the rise of the National Socialists led by Hitler to power as a result of the victory in the elections became possible thanks to Stalin, who forbade the German communists to run in elections in a bloc with the Social Democrats. If such a bloc had been created, the Nazis would not have won the victory, and Adolf Hitler would not have become the Chancellor of Germany, and the history of the twentieth century, perhaps, would have developed differently..

        Nonsense.

        In the elections on March 5, 1933, the NSDAP received 43,9% of the vote, and with the allies) 51,9%. The lists of the SPD and the KKE together - 30,6%. How the presence of a single electoral list could have a decisive influence on the situation with such an alignment of forces remains completely unclear.

        Under these conditions, the Social Democrats declared the need for cooperation with the Nazis. Things went so far that on March 17, the Reichstag deputies from the SPD approved Hitler's revanchist foreign policy speech, and on March 30, party leader Otto Wels, in protest against the publication of harsh statements by the Socialist International bureau condemning Hitler's unconstitutional actions, withdrew from it. How complacent at that time the German socialists were in relation to the Nazis can be clearly seen from the statement made to the Danish newspaper Sotsial-Demokratin by the Reichstag deputy from the SPD Hertz: “The Social Democratic press is banned throughout Germany. The ban ends on March 28. Goering, in his speech in the Reichstag, sharply opposed exaggeration, but not against business criticism of current political methods. " However, on May 10, Goering defined the boundaries of these "legal" possibilities, ordering the occupation of the SPD-owned newspaper premises and the closure of party offices. After that, most of the leaders of the SPD began to hastily emigrate from Germany, leaving the party to the mercy of fate.
      7. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 9 May 2021 00: 05
        +5
        In the Soviet school, they also talked about one rifle for three, accusing Stalin of this. You have to have your head on your shoulders. The entire history of this period has been greatly corrected since the time of Khrushchev. And you can't believe this person in anything. Everything needs to be rechecked three times.
      8. Artyom76 Online Artyom76
        Artyom76 (Artyom Volkov) 12 May 2021 16: 10
        0
        We celebrated our holiday, decided to mock us chtoli on our Day? If your logic (yours along with this senile paid for) - there would be no Jews there would be no war !!! Remind you from whom the Nazis "saved" the Soviet people ?! From the "Jewish communist clique" in power in the land of the Soviets !!!
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 12 May 2021 17: 28
          -1
          Quote: Artyom76
          Remind you from whom the Nazis "saved" the Soviet people ?! From the "Jewish communist clique" in power in the land of the Soviets !!!

          In the classroom in the Hitler Youth, you would be given an excellent mark - you have firmly mastered the basics of the Nazi worldview. yes
          1. Artyom76 Online Artyom76
            Artyom76 (Artyom Volkov) 20 May 2021 13: 32
            0
            Was not noticed in racism, chauvinism and anti-Semitism. And the phrase that I wrote sounded from the lips of fascist officers, propagandists, and I do not need to ascribe it. My note was like a reproach to your own logic. And with her, you probably have drawbacks.
  • there Offline there
    there 8 May 2021 17: 52
    +6
    The Versailles Peace Treaty is the most important of the series of peace treaties that ended the First World War; the document signed at Versailles on June 28, 1919, put an end to the state of war between Germany and the anti-German coalition. "This is not peace, this is a truce for 20 years!" This is how the French Marshal Ferdinand Foch, commander-in-chief of the allied forces, reacted to the conclusion of the Versailles Peace Treaty, and he was right. Hitler would never have come to power in Germany if it had not been for the humiliation of Versailles and what it led to: political instability, economic crises, impoverishment of wide sections of the population.
  • GRF Offline GRF
    GRF 8 May 2021 17: 54
    +8
    But when will the Russian Academy of Sciences begin to deprive such "historians" of their diplomas for nonsense? Or have you received a document, and then carry what you want?
    History does not know the subjunctive mood, and if the corned beef begins to speculate on something, then he is not a historian, but a storyteller who for some reason is ashamed of the stigma - a foreign agent.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 May 2021 18: 07
      -5
      He is not a historian, but a publicist. He has no diploma in history.
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 8 May 2021 20: 13
        +3
        Publicist diploma ... Why, it's also smart ...
        1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
          Kofesan (Valery) 8 May 2021 20: 49
          +6
          I think it's May 9th. As the eve of the holiday, so they, literally, grieves. Until the village nobody knows "Corned beef" and a little more scandalous "Gordons" and "Batsman" .... immediately crawl out of all the cracks, as if they were sprinkled with holy water ...

          Pay attention to the tags at the end of the article ... Gordon, Gordon and Gordon in the article too !? Links to the "guru" from the outskirts ... Same for me, they found "authority."

          Maybe he is the author of this opus, about the useless and uninteresting "Corned beef"?

          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 8 May 2021 23: 27
            +2
            They are not so unknown.
            Solonin was very popular 20 or even 15 years ago. When many amateur "historians" proved (each in his own way) that in 1941. Stalin really wanted to attack first. But Hitler got ahead of him.
            Moreover, each of them has interesting things. When they do not rest against their idee fixe. For Suvorov, this is the book "Purification". It can be included in those recommended for extracurricular reading on the topic "how Stalin's repressions defeated the Red Army before the Second World War." From this book it is clear and understandable that there was no defeat. And if they hadn't been shot, it would have been much worse. Life has shown that they didn't shoot enough, and often they didn't shoot the right people. Many traitors remained war heroes.
            Solonin has a rather interesting book "On Peacefully Sleeping Airfields". But it is better to read the first edition of it, in the second he excluded some important things. Solonin is an aircraft designer by training, this book opens the eyes to many technical details and mafia showdowns in the aircraft industry.
            The official history "did not notice" these questions, therefore, both negative and positive results in this area are the work of amateurs.
            Batsman is Gordon's wife. And Gordon is an accomplished interview journalist.
            But his human qualities defy description within the lexical constraints set by topcor. You can type in any search engine "Gordon" and "golden pyramids" and be amazed at this cesspool in human form. In short, he was selling "golden pyramids" for not sickly money, as a radical means of combating oncology, and when the client realized that he was stupidly thrown, there was no time or money left. Plus, he raised and promoted a whole galaxy of "psychics" (in terms of quality - not the level of the pyramids). The result for gullible suckers is the same: lost time and money.
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 9 May 2021 10: 21
              +1
              The main "teacher" of corned beef is rezun - this Caudla is from one cesspool.
              1. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) 9 May 2021 12: 10
                +2
                Who would argue!
                But more importantly, all the same - the official history. Where an information vacuum is formed, there is a wide field for speculation of rezun and salted fish.
                1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                  A.Lex (Secret information) 10 May 2021 19: 55
                  0
                  That's what we are talking about !!! drinks
        2. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 8 May 2021 22: 55
          +4
          He also does not have a publicist diploma. He graduated from the Kuibyshev Aviation Institute.
          His thoughts on aircraft design are interesting. As a publicist, he has an unpleasant tendency to make a global phenomenon out of small particulars and to adjust everything else to suit his idee fixe.
          For example, he stumbled upon the fact that Stalin wanted to be the first to attack Germany, and the bulk of the population of the USSR hated Stalin himself and the Soviet regime, which made the start of the war unsuccessful.
          In short, black and white vision, and what is black and what is white, is determined personally by Solonin.
          Now it is generally easy to identify among the researchers of the beginning of the Second World War the hack: if a person does not completely mention the topic "five questions of General Pokrovsky", then one should not read the text and take this "research" seriously - all the more so.
          When you begin to thoughtfully read the generals' answers to these questions, the topic “Stalin wanted to attack first” disappears by itself. The theme of a surprise attack also disappears. And the theme of betrayal of a considerable part of the command staff of the army, the unfinished Tukhachevites, is emerging.
          But Solonin himself does not want to discuss the topic of betrayal of the command staff of the Red Army.

          I just don't believe it - that's all.

          This is the motivation.
  • Anatoly Osipov Offline Anatoly Osipov
    Anatoly Osipov (osipov) 8 May 2021 17: 55
    +5
    Hmm, how can you hate your country and history. Although I think he was kicked off the trough. Now everyone and everything is to blame
    1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 8 May 2021 21: 39
      -1
      Do you know why? He dumped at 89, and who remained, even became billionaires. At our expense ... On the same Gusinsky, eat it, yeah, try ... But on Russian forums on Russians, be it ...
  • Kofesan Offline Kofesan
    Kofesan (Valery) 8 May 2021 18: 09
    +2
    If only rivers and lakes were to be drained into one lake,
    And out of all the pine trees Make one tree,
    Axes would melt everything And cast one ax,
    And of all people, make a Man higher than the mountains,
    If only, taking a mighty ax, This formidable giant
    This trunk brought down from the steep Into this sea-ocean, -
    That would be a loud crack, That would be a noisy splash!
  • there Offline there
    there 8 May 2021 18: 48
    +4
    The famous English military theorist and researcher John Fuller in his book "The Second World War 1939-1945. formulated a conclusion regarding the Second World War:

    There is no doubt that Hitler caused the 1939-1945 war. and equally there is no doubt about who and what brought Hitler to life. This is Clemenceau, the uncontrolled but all controlling chairman of the peace conference, and his masterpiece is the Treaty of Versailles.

    Georges Eugene Benjamin Clemenceau
    was a French statesman who served as Prime Minister of France from 1906-1909 and again from 1917 to 1920.
  • zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 8 May 2021 18: 53
    +6
    Solonin. The Bolsheviks are gone, but the problem for the United States remains. Again they want to set the "peace lovers" on the ground of Russia. Who do you plan to be, commandant, or adjutant? For a while, you will be above your ears.
    1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 8 May 2021 20: 18
      +1
      commandant, or adjutant

      He will start as a policeman, and then, as he goes ... Maybe he will reach the Lagerführer ...
  • BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
    BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 8 May 2021 19: 25
    +2
    But in fact, if it were not for Stalin, then there would be no salt beef, no batsman, no other Gordon ...
    1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 8 May 2021 21: 02
      +3
      Rambover disagrees ...
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 May 2021 21: 27
        -11%
        Do you decide for me? If it were not for Stalin, there would be Bazhenovs, Vavilovs, Walters, Gessens, Druzhinins, etc., and just Ivanovs, Petrovs, Sidorovs. Which did not become earlier than their term during the reign of Stalin. These were his direct duties to ensure the protection of the fundamental rights of citizens of the USSR (primarily the right to life) and, judging by the monstrous losses in the Second World War, he coped with his duties so-so.
        1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 8 May 2021 22: 10
          +2
          Already in many forums I love to communicate with colleagues from Israel.
          Stalin did not see, May 1953, because. But I saw Khrushchev many times, we met on Metrostroyevskaya street several times, he went to the Kremlin, I went to school 587. He was wearing a hat in Chaika, reading something.
          Which is amazing. When I propose to exchange life in a pensioner according to Votsap, oh, but we can't ...
          + 7-977-six six four 93-07.
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 8 May 2021 23: 45
      +2
      Incorrect formulation of the question.
      Now, if Stalin had not been killed, then there certainly would have been no salt beef, no batsmen, no other Gordons.
      1. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
        BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 11 May 2021 14: 34
        0
        It is truth too! good
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2021 23: 05
    +5
    NSDAP program (temporary). The so-called "25 points"

    The program of the German Workers' Party is a temporary program. After the implementation of this program, the party leaders abandon attempts to put forward new program goals only in order to ensure the continued existence of the party by artificially increasing discontent among the masses.

    1. We demand the unification of all Germans in Greater Germany on the basis of the right of peoples to self-determination.

    2. We demand equality for the German people on an equal basis with other nations and the abolition of the provisions of the Versailles and Saint-Germain Peace Treaties.

    3. We demand living space: territories and lands (colonies) necessary for the sustenance of our people and for the resettlement of its surplus part.

    4. A citizen of Germany can only be one who belongs to the German nation, in whose veins German blood flows, regardless of religious affiliation. Thus, no Jew can be attributed to the German nation, and also not be a citizen of Germany.

    5. Anyone who is not a citizen of Germany can live in it as a guest, as a foreigner. Every foreigner is obliged to comply with the requirements of the legislation on foreigners.

    6. The right to hold office related to lawmaking, as well as the administration of the state, may belong exclusively to citizens. Therefore, we demand that all positions in any public organization, at any level - national, regional or municipal - should be occupied only by citizens of the state. We are fighting against the corrupting parliamentary practice of holding office only depending on party affiliation, without taking into account character and abilities.

    7. We demand that the state first and foremost undertakes to take care of the employment and life of German citizens. If it is impossible to feed the entire population of the state, then persons belonging to foreign nations (not citizens of the state) must be expelled from the country.

    8. All further immigration to Germany of persons of non-German origin must be suspended. We demand that all persons of non-German origin who immigrated to Germany after 2 August 1914 be expelled from the state.

    9. All citizens of the state should have equal rights and duties.

    10. The first obligation for every German citizen is to perform mental or physical work. The activities of each individual citizen should not contradict the interests of society as a whole. On the contrary, such activities should take place within the framework of society and be directed towards the general benefit. Therefore, we require:

    11. Destruction of unearned and easy incomes, as well as the destruction of interest slavery.

    12. In view of the enormous loss of life and property demanded of the nation in every war, personal enrichment in war must be considered a crime against the nation. Thus, we demand the complete confiscation of all profits associated with personal enrichment in wartime.

    13. We demand the nationalization of all (previously) created joint-stock enterprises (trusts).

    14. We require the participation of workers and employees in the distribution of profits of large commercial enterprises.

    15. We demand the development and creation of a truly decent pension.

    16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its preservation, as well as the immediate withdrawal from private ownership of large stores and their lease, at low prices, to small producers. We require the maintenance of fairly strict accounting for the supply of goods from small producers, carried out on the basis of government orders, orders from communities and lands.

    17. We demand a land reform that meets the needs and interests of the nation, the adoption of the law on the gratuitous confiscation of land for public purposes. Cancellation of interest on land mortgages, the prohibition of land speculation.

    18. We demand a ruthless struggle against those who by their activities harm the interests of society. We demand the introduction of the death penalty for criminals who have committed a crime against the German people, usurers, speculators, etc., regardless of their religion or race.

    19. We demand the replacement of Roman law, which serves the interests of the materialist world order, with German popular law.

    20. In order to provide every capable and diligent German with the opportunity to obtain a higher education and take a leading position, the state must take care of the all-round wide development of our entire system of public education. The curricula of all educational institutions must be brought in line with the requirements of practical life. From the very beginning of the development of the child's consciousness, the school should purposefully teach him to understand the ideas of statehood. We demand that especially talented children of poor parents, regardless of their position in society and their occupation, receive education at the expense of the state.

    21. The state should direct all efforts to improve the health of the nation: to ensure the protection of motherhood and childhood, prohibit child labor, improve the physical condition of the population through the legislative introduction of compulsory training sessions and physical exercises, and support clubs involved in the physical development of young people.

    22. We demand the elimination of the mercenary army and the creation of a people's army.

    23. We demand an open political struggle against deliberate political lies and their dissemination in the press. In order to create a German press, we require that:

    a) all employees, editors and publishers of German newspapers printed in German were citizens of the state;

    b) non-German newspapers must obtain special permission from the state to publish. However, they must be published in a non-German language;

    c) persons of non-German nationality are legally prohibited from having any financial interest or influence in German newspapers. As punishment for violating this law, such a newspaper will be banned, and foreigners will be immediately deported. Newspapers that harm the public interest should be banned. We demand the introduction of a legislative struggle against literary and cultural movements that have a corrupting influence on our people, as well as the prohibition of all measures that contribute to this decomposition.

    24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the state, as long as they do not pose a threat to it and do not oppose the moral and moral feelings of the Germanic race. The party, as such, stands on the positions of positive Christianity, but at the same time it is not connected by convictions with any particular confession. She fights against the Jewish materialistic spirit inside and outside us and is convinced that the further recovery of our people's body can be achieved through constant healing within ourselves. The latter can be accomplished by realizing the principle of priority of public interests over personal ones.

    25. To implement all of the above, we require:

    Creating a strong centralized state power.

    The indisputable authority of the central political parliament in the entire state, as well as in all its organizations.

    Creation of class and professional chambers for the implementation of laws adopted by the state in all federal states.

    Party leaders commit themselves to ensure the implementation of the above points at any cost, and if necessary, even sacrificing their own lives.

    Read carefully and tell me, which point of the program will not please a German? This is the reason for the popularity of the National Socialists.

    PS I'm afraid to even suggest replacing the words Germany and Germans with Russia and Russian. How many people will support this program?
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 8 May 2021 23: 56
      +3
      PS I'm afraid to even suggest replacing the words Germany and Germans with Russia and Russian. How many people will support this program?

      Well, except for item 3 and the discussion of "blood", perhaps. The Russian people have never been obsessed with nationalism. Often - to their own detriment. And now, with a developed DNA genealogy, this generally promises very funny surprises for nationalists on the basis of the purity of "blood". And even more so for the leadership of the NSDAP.
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 May 2021 23: 10
    +2
    The NSDAP claimed the role of a "people's party" representing the interests of all strata and social groups of the German population. However, being called "worker", it relied primarily on the middle class. The main contingent of its members, functionaries and voters were urban small traders and artisans, middle and small officials and employees. Since 1928, the party also received support from the rural population. After 1930, the share of workers among the members of the NSDAP was about 30% (predominantly non-union skilled workers and apprentices employed in small and medium-sized enterprises). Since the beginning of the 1930s, the party received powerful financial support from German large industrial and banking capital, large landowners.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 9 May 2021 01: 01
      +3
      Since the beginning of the 1930s, the party received powerful financial support from German large industrial and banking capital, large landowners.

      And German big business didn't have any extra money. The money for the support of Hitler was appropriately transferred from the United States. Large companies either received loans from the United States or were already American property (as, for example, Opel from 1929 was owned by GMC).
      1. Fourth Offline Fourth
        Fourth (Fourth) 9 May 2021 01: 40
        +3
        During the war, a loan was issued to the USSR, Lend-Lease is called. If the country ended the war as a strongly weakened state, it would immediately fall into the hands of "creditors". Apparently, this is how it was intended.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 May 2021 03: 18
          -6
          This is a lie. For materials, equipment, food, medicines, etc., spent or lost during the war, payment was not provided at all. The equipment and materials remaining after the war, under the terms of Lend-Lease, had to either be returned or paid for. The USSR retained several oil refineries, many machine tools and other industrial equipment, several dozen ships and ships. The supplies were worth $ 11 billion, after the war they agreed to pay 722 million, of which the USSR paid 48 million in the 70s, the dollar exchange rate at 45 was about 5 rubles, that is, at 45 prices, about 240 million rubles were paid, it was delivered under the lend-lease for 47 418 million rubles, in total the USSR paid 0,5% of the supplies. The rest of the amount was paid by the Russian Federation, 647 million dollars, this is at the rate of 45 years, approximately 3 370 million rubles, or 7,1% of the amount of supplies. Moreover, these amounts are excluding inflation.
          1. Fourth Offline Fourth
            Fourth (Fourth) 9 May 2021 10: 41
            +1
            As if you do not know fraudulent schemes, how crooks breed respectable citizens. The usual scheme is to throw your neighbor.

            You are strongly idealizing the capitalist world. Credit called Lend-Lease, the divorce is still the same. If the USSR was bled and weak after the war, the Allied lawyers would quickly find loopholes. Today's realities confirm this conclusion, as well as the behavior of the "allies" during the war and today.
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 May 2021 14: 00
              -6
              What the hell is this? Where do you get this from? Who threw whom? The USSR did not pay even under that agreement without any loopholes due to the outbreak of the Cold War. And not long before that, the frankly weak USSR refused to pay the debts of the tsarist government. If they wanted to bleed, they would not supply weapons and materials free of charge. What are the realities, what do they confirm? What kind of behavior?
              1. Fourth Offline Fourth
                Fourth (Fourth) 9 May 2021 15: 41
                0
                This is not nonsense or nonsense, this is the well-deserved reputation of the United States.
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 May 2021 16: 09
                  -6
                  I don’t know what’s there with the reputation, but your maxim that “a loan was issued for the USSR, Lend-Lease is called“ rubbish you sucked out of your finger and has nothing to do with reality. Lend-lease was a free lease that saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of the lives of Soviet citizens.
                  1. Fourth Offline Fourth
                    Fourth (Fourth) 9 May 2021 16: 55
                    +2

                    Don't tell tales about the honest USA.
                  2. Fourth Offline Fourth
                    Fourth (Fourth) 9 May 2021 17: 16
                    +3
                    Free cheese only comes in a mousetrap. Do you not know this, the catch phrase of the liberals of the 90s.
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 10 May 2021 10: 44
                      -4
                      The fact that you copied something somewhere does not negate that it is

                      During the war, a loan was issued to the USSR, Lend-Lease is called. If the country ended the war as a strongly weakened state, it would immediately fall into the hands of "creditors". Apparently, this is how it was intended.

                      Nonsense.
  • Cucumbers Offline Cucumbers
    Cucumbers (Cucumbers) 9 May 2021 00: 08
    +1
    And if the Germans had not supplied Lenin with money and sent him to Russia, the Bolsheviks might not have won. Everything would be limited to the February bourgeois revolution and history would not complete a circle. The experiments of building communism would take place in the homeland of Karl and Marx
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 9 May 2021 00: 46
      +5
      And it would end very badly for Russia. Kerensky would have destroyed the country, and there would have been no one to collect and restore it. There were no competitors on the scale of Lenin and Stalin. And it’s scary to think about what Trotsky would have built.
      And the money was German, very conditional. They were also American in origin, just when passing through the banks they were given the appearance of money of the German General Staff.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 May 2021 03: 22
        -7
        Quote: boriz
        And it’s scary to think about what Trotsky would have built.

        In fact, Trotsky, the second person in the country after Lenin, is rightfully called the creator of the USSR and the Red Army. And it was Trotsky who was busy collecting the country, and certainly not Stalin.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 9 May 2021 09: 54
          +3
          In fact, Trotsky, the second person in the country after Lenin, is rightfully called the creator of the USSR and the Red Army. And it was Trotsky who was busy collecting the country, and certainly not Stalin.

          Why is he considered the creator of the USSR? Since when and by whom is it considered? What did he collect?
          If you consider him the "creator", then aren't there some responsibilities attached to the title? As you put it about Stalin ... sad

          These were his direct duties to ensure the protection of the fundamental rights of citizens of the USSR (first of all, the right to life)

          And judging by the monstrous losses in the civil war, he coped with his duties so-so. winked
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 11 May 2021 01: 55
            -2
            Quote: 123
            Why is he considered the creator of the USSR? Since when and by whom is it considered?

            Well, I don’t know, read anything about the history of the October coup. It is as if it is generally known that Trotsky created and directed the Petrograd Military Revolutionary Committee, which carried out this coup and brought the Bolsheviks to power.

            All work on the practical organization of the uprising took place under the direct supervision of the chairman of the Petrograd Soviet, Comrade Trotsky. It can be said with confidence that the party owes first and foremost to Comrade Trotsky. Comrades Antonov [-Ovseenko] and Podvoisky were the main assistants of Comrade Trotsky

            From the recollections of an eyewitness.

            Quote: 123
            If you consider him the "creator", then aren't there some responsibilities attached to the title? As you put it in relation to Stalin ... And judging by the monstrous losses in the civil war, he coped with his duties so-so.

            Do you think that Rambover is my last name, that's why I'm a Jew and that's why I have a different attitude to Trotsky? If so, then you are deeply mistaken. Rambover is a derivative of the name of my hometown, I am not a Jew and Trotsky is considered a bloody ghoul. If Trotsky had won that fight, then for the citizens of the USSR it would not have changed anything.

            It is difficult to expect efficiency from the extremists who have just come to power, and even in a civil war.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 11 May 2021 09: 48
              +3
              Well, I don’t know, read anything about the history of the October coup. It is as if it is generally known that Trotsky created and directed the Petrograd Military Revolutionary Committee, which carried out this coup and brought the Bolsheviks to power.

              The creation and leadership of a group of militants who carried out a coup directly in Petrograd and the creation of the USSR are not exactly the same thing. Destroying the old and building the new, as they say, are two big differences.

              From the recollections of an eyewitness.

              Why don't you name the eyewitness? What would not tell how the "eyewitness" later slightly changed his attitude to a comrade-in-arms and gave him an encouraging slap on the head with an ice pick?

              Do you think that Rambover is my last name, that's why I'm a Jew and that's why I have a different attitude to Trotsky? If so, then you are deeply mistaken. Rambover is a derivative of the name of my hometown, I am not a Jew and Trotsky is considered a bloody ghoul.

              Where did you see hints of nationality in my words? I didn’t write anything like that, and I didn’t even say a word about Trotsky’s connection with overseas bankers. This is not the first time you have told about the origin of the old name of your glorious city and how your nickname is connected with it. You are a strange person. if I have a different opinion from yours, then I am an anti-Semite and I consider you a Jew? I have to disappoint, this is not so, I am not even a nationalist. And I disagree with you solely because you are talking rare nonsense.

              If Trotsky had won that fight, then for the citizens of the USSR it would not have changed anything.

              It is difficult to expect efficiency from the extremists who have just come to power, and even in a civil war.

              Here you are mistaken, there really would be no less blood, but certainly more.
              The decimation in the 2nd Petrograd regiment and the practice of taking hostages quite clearly demonstrate the methods of Trotsky's leadership, his attitude towards the people. But you consider him the creator of the USSR, and you said something about the leadership ...

              These were his direct duties to ensure the protection of the fundamental rights of citizens of the USSR (first of all, the right to life)

              And it seems he coped with his duties so-so. But you are wrong about efficiency, Trotsky could only destroy, all his creative work was aimed at creating tools and instruments for destroying the old, this bloodsucker could not create anything new by definition.
        2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 May 2021 09: 55
          +3
          Your Tgotsky agent of Zionism
          1. aries2200 Offline aries2200
            aries2200 (aries) 9 May 2021 14: 20
            +2
            Bronstein is his surname.
          2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 10 May 2021 10: 46
            -4
            I do not know whose agent he is there, but it was he who brought the Bolsheviks to power, and he also created the Red Army from scratch.
        3. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 10 May 2021 22: 56
          +4
          Trotsky was no one to be called. And Lenin had a resource, a party. Trotsky has only the money of the bankers of the corresponding nationality. Without a resource, a tool, Trotsky would not have done anything.
          And I was not talking about the gathering of the country by Trotsky, but about what he would have built there without Lenin. And that would really be a nightmare.
          And Trotsky (his resource) was used by the Bolsheviks, up to a certain point, and then thrown.
          Just like Piłsudski used the Germans.
          And the Red Army was created by the military experts of the old army. Trotsky used their services, made tribal speeches, signed execution orders, and then organized a "red spring", destroyed most of the specialists. Then he was thrown out of the army. And in real creation, it turned out to be worse than zero. I was going to use Russia as firewood for the world revolution. Who will love the role of firewood? He was also thrown out of the party. And if not for his connections with bankers, they would have shot him. And so - they sent.
          And here is how Trotsky was engaged in collecting the country - more details please.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 12 May 2021 10: 15
            -2
            I cited the memories of an eyewitness there above, I repeat

            All work on the practical organization of the uprising took place under the direct supervision of the chairman of the Petrograd Soviet, Comrade Trotsky. It can be said with confidence that the party owes first and foremost to Comrade Trotsky. Comrades Antonov [-Ovseenko] and Podvoisky were the main assistants of Comrade Trotsky

            In the absence of Lenin, Trotsky was the leader of the party in Petrograd.

            Quote: boriz
            Trotsky - only the money of the bankers of the corresponding nationality.

            Can you tell us more about Jewish money?

            Quote: boriz
            And the Red Army was created by the military experts of the old army. Trotsky used their services, made tribal speeches, signed execution orders, and then organized a "red spring", destroyed most of the specialists.

            It seems to me that you deny the obvious. It was Trotsky who collected military officers (which even caused a conflict with Stalin), under his direct leadership the Red Army created by him won the Civil War.

            Quote: boriz
            I was going to use Russia as firewood for the world revolution. Who will love the role of firewood?

            Like Lenin and, I think, Stalin at that time.
            Regarding the creation, all the Bolsheviks were still leaders, for example, "hard" collectivization was originally Trotsky's idea, only then Stalin took it for us.

            Quote: boriz
            And here is how Trotsky was engaged in collecting the country - more details please.

            What is more detailed here? The Red Army, under the direct leadership of Trotsky, won the civil war and suppressed separatist sentiments in most of the provinces of the former empire. The accessions of the Stalinist period are much more modest.
  • Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 9 May 2021 01: 13
    0
    In the very center of Geneva I saw on the house a memorial plaque to the Founder of the Soviet Union.
    And not far from the head of the Red Capella.
  • Fourth Offline Fourth
    Fourth (Fourth) 9 May 2021 01: 55
    +5

    Happy Holidays!
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 9 May 2021 09: 55
      +3
      Happy Holidays!

      At least someone guessed good drinks
      And then the respected editorial staff threw up the topic for the holiday ... negative
  • Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) 9 May 2021 05: 29
    +4
    The editors of "Reporter" introduced us to the original opinion of one Estonian citizen.

    But why didn't you tell us - and what does Ksyusha Sobchak think about this?

    And Alexei Navalny (as a historian) could also express his interesting opinion here.

    And a fascinating discussion could start on the pages of "Reporter", on the topic -
    "The love of European democracies for Russia, Peter the Great, Yemelyan Pugachev and other Bolsheviks. And if Nicholas II had not been shot, would Hitler have come to power?"
  • oracul Offline oracul
    oracul (leonid) 9 May 2021 07: 01
    +2
    It is a lot of honor to waste time on anti-Sovietism of a supposedly Russian historian and supposedly a writer. And a series of detractors - alas! does not end, because there are publications about them. A piece of glory, albeit with a rotten smell, but they get it. That is what they live on.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 9 May 2021 08: 44
    0
    Solonin has long turned from an interesting historian into an uninteresting provocateur.
    All with VICTORY DAY!
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 9 May 2021 09: 57
      +5
      All with VICTORY DAY!

      good drinks soldier
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 10 May 2021 22: 57
      0
      He was never an interesting historian. So, some worthwhile thoughts due to the fact that he is an aircraft designer.
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 9 May 2021 08: 59
    +2
    The revelations of this anti-Russian false historian are complete nonsense. Fascism is a product of the Versailles Peace and the economic crisis. I do not understand why such nonsense of this Jew, and clearly Russophobic, should be disseminated.
  • Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 May 2021 09: 53
    +1
    If it were not for Jewish bankers and businessmen, then there would be no fascism
    1. aries2200 Offline aries2200
      aries2200 (aries) 9 May 2021 14: 19
      +2
      the Zionists have to speak.
  • Yevgeny Mikhailov (Vyacheslav Plotnikov) 9 May 2021 10: 00
    +1
    Both WWI and WWII were invented and organized by those who are now commonly called the "deep state".
    We offer another name for these, figures, it is more suitable for them. These are ,, ordinary nonhumans ,, (convenient and sensible in the sense - ,, ufo ,,). Real, not cinematic ,, strangers ,,. Outwardly similar to people, their a n t and p o d s. People serve God, e and-Satan, people love their own kind, e and - use people to obtain hemoglobin, pleasures, etc. ... And for themselves, and for people, political, color, , ufo doesn't matter. And ,, red ,,, and ,, brown ,, UFOs equally loved, for example, concentration camps.
    .. When the UFOs organized WWI, the Bolshevik party did not represent much of itself, and the fascists did not exist in nature yet. And the war was “blinded” and “launched” ... By the way, in 1918, initially, they did not intend to retire. Stopped because of Soviet Russia. They thought they could profit from her ...
  • aries2200 Offline aries2200
    aries2200 (aries) 9 May 2021 14: 18
    +2
    it sounds like ... STALIN was such a monster that he drove Hitler to suicide .... the liberal turned everything upside down.
  • Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 May 2021 22: 35
    0

    Happy Victory Day!
  • Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 10 May 2021 06: 19
    0
    Solonin responds to the general trend of the information field in our country. Victory Day, and on TV there are war films with anti-Soviet stuffing. I don't expect anything more from such people. We live in another state.
  • Old man Offline Old man
    Old man (Old man) 10 May 2021 12: 01
    0
    If our government does not understand in the near future that Russia is the Core of human Evolution ("Concept of the Core and Periphery" https://www.proza.ru/2018/12/17/810), there will be blood and suffering again. The purpose of the NUCLEUS (i.e., Russia), and not the PERIPHERALS (i.e. the West), is to determine the direction of human development.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 10 May 2021 19: 13
      -2
      Geopolitics pseudoscience
  • Fourth Offline Fourth
    Fourth (Fourth) 11 May 2021 00: 07
    0
    It always seemed to me that Germany was specially dispatched to fight communism. The national component is a game on patriotic feelings after the First World War. The socialist component, a tribute to the popularity of these ideas at the time. National Socialism is ready for use. The militarization of Germany.

    It is interesting how Europe was handed over to the Nazis. Quickly, without bloodshed, and most importantly, production and people did not suffer, but became part of the German economy, increasing its real strength. On the one hand the USSR, on the other Europe, but under the leadership of Nazi Germany. War.

    Solonin slyly distorts history, forcing us to forget about these strange coincidences. In Solonin, the very existence of the USSR is the reason for the war, the poor fascists had nowhere to go.

    I do not like to write for a long time, the requirements for the quality of the text are increasing. The reason for the outbreak of war, it seems to me, lies in a different plane.

    I really hope that I correctly understood the words of V.V. Putin when he said he knew where the decision-making center was.
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 11 May 2021 08: 51
    0
    ok, not from the Yeltsyn Center? There are many of them.
  • Anatoly Osipov Offline Anatoly Osipov
    Anatoly Osipov (osipov) 12 June 2021 12: 13
    0
    Hmm, another political scientist, a historian, wants to show with his conclusions how he hates Mother Russia. So our icebreaker is on the right course