After the success of "Sputnik V" in the West, they started talking about the abolition of patents for vaccines


The raging pandemic of the dangerous coronavirus infection COVID-19 and the success of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine forced the West to talk about the temporary cancellation of patents and the restriction of intellectual property rights for such medicines. For example, US Trade Representative Catherine Tai is inclined to allow the above actions in difficult epidemiological periods, as reported on April 30, 2021 by the American newspaper The Washington Post, citing its sources.


According to informants of the publication, trade representative from the Joe Biden administration last week discussed similar issues with the head of the National Institute of Allergic and Infectious Diseases of the United States, Anthony Fauci. The functionary, who is also an adviser to the US president on COVID-19, explained to Tai that such a decision would help developing countries that are most affected by the pandemic. Fauci believes this will allow for rapid vaccine production worldwide.

After that, the trade representative in charge of patent issues shared in a narrow circle that a temporary violation of existing rights could be a way out of this situation, but she is still studying the issues. But some of the employees of the US Department of Commerce are confident that this decision may lead to negative consequences. They worry that US competitors will gain access to American intellectual property.

Earlier, about 400 MEPs and representatives of national legislatures of the EU countries supported the temporary "freeze" of the WTO agreement on trade aspects of intellectual property rights for vaccines against COVID-19. They joined the petition of 34 international organizations to promote equitable distribution of vaccines around the world.

In mid-April, 175 Nobel laureates and former heads of state and government called on the White House to support the initiative. In turn, US pharmaceutical companies are trying to convince the authorities not to allow the transfer of Technology mRNA vaccines in Russia and China. At the end of 2020, India and South Africa made a call to the countries of the planet that produce vaccines against COVID-19 to temporarily abandon drug patents in view of the scale of the pandemic. The initiative was approved by more than 100 countries of the world, members of the WTO.
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  1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 1 May 2021 16: 04
    -9
    After the success of "Sputnik V" in the West, they started talking about the abolition of patents for vaccines

    The note is informative, but the title is entertaining. I would like to know something else about the success of Sputnik in the west. In the third world - wherever it went, there is a certain success, but in the West ... Where? What is it?
    1. Miffer Offline Miffer
      Miffer (Sam Miffers) 2 May 2021 08: 57
      +3
      In the third world - wherever it goes, there is a certain success,

      Come on, in the third world!
      In Russia itself, the fight against covid has taken on a planetary scale!

      https://vk.com/away.php?to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFyyr4XwMFPc&cc_key
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  2. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 1 May 2021 16: 20
    +1
    Such a measure has long been provided for in the Patent Law. In case of emergencies related to the life and health of people, production is possible without patent support.
  3. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 1 May 2021 16: 28
    +1
    Civil Code of the Russian Federation Article 1359. Actions that are not a violation of the exclusive right to an invention, utility model or industrial design

    3) the use of an invention, utility model or industrial design under extraordinary circumstances (natural disasters, catastrophes, accidents) with notification of such use to the patent owner as soon as possible and with subsequent payment of proportionate compensation to him;

    There is about the same article in other countries.
    Another thing is interesting here. After the failure of the American vaccines, they decided to produce Russian or Chinese. Moreover, in the Stronghold of Democracy. But what about the "medicine of freedom"?
    1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 17: 05
      -4
      Did American vaccines fail? And the United States decided to produce Russian and Chinese vaccines? Is this news from a parallel reality?
      1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
        Kofesan (Valery) 1 May 2021 18: 25
        +3
        In the US, 200 million are vaccinated. What's the point?

        I didn’t recognize it in Russia, but I think it’s 5 million. They don’t rush for vaccinations, and this is a fact.

        And here is the site https://coronavirus-monitor.info/country/usa/ on which the schedule of infection in the United States by day ... Fresh. Until today, the Americans believe, in what is called in real time ...

        Shaw then, how does it not go with them, in America, "coronavirus" on the "recession" ???
        Despite more than half of the "accustomed" !? belay Paradox?
        Maybe they are injected with glucose, instead of "fayzers"?

        1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 18: 49
          -4
          I can cite the example of Israel - today about 70% of the adult population has been vaccinated, exclusively by Pfizer. The result is a sharp drop in morbidity, a minimum number of seriously ill patients (who have been hospitalized for a long time) and for several days there have been no deaths at all.
          1. Dear sofa expert. 1 May 2021 19: 08
            +4
            for several days there have been no deaths at all.

            Maybe you do not know about this, but Israel reports more frequent severe cases of myocarditis among young people vaccinated with Pfizer.

            https://pharmvestnik.ru/content/news/Izrail-proverit-62-sluchaya-miokardita-posle-privivki-vakcinoi-Pfizer.html

            Before vaccinations, all patients were considered healthy. A 22-year-old girl and a 35-year-old boy died from myocarditis the other day.
            "Berries", as they say, climbed from where no one was expecting them. Nobody knows what will happen next.
            So it's too early to talk about the complete success of the drug you have named.
            Wait and see.
            1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 19: 22
              -2
              I actually work in healthcare and I am a little aware of everything that happens here in this area. So there is not a single proven case of myocarditis, somehow related to the vaccine. And since more than 70% of the population is already vaccinated, you can tie anything to the vaccine But the complete success, it is obvious - as already written above, a very sharp decrease in the incidence, the absence of deaths and the removal of most restrictions.
              1. Dear sofa expert. 1 May 2021 19: 29
                +2
                I actually work in health care and I am a little aware of everything that is happening here in this area. So there is not a single proven case of myocarditis,

                Why not, when I gave you the link ..
                I can give it again if you haven't noticed:

                https://pharmvestnik.ru/content/news/Izrail-proverit-62-sluchaya-miokardita-posle-privivki-vakcinoi-Pfizer.html
                1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 19: 34
                  -2
                  And I can repeat once again - there is no proven connection with vaccinations, especially against the background of the complete success of vaccination, expressed in a very sharp decrease in morbidity and the absence of deaths, and as a result of the removal of most restrictions.
                  1. Dear sofa expert. 1 May 2021 19: 40
                    +2
                    And I can repeat once again - there is no proven connection with vaccinations, especially against the background of the complete success of vaccination, expressed in a very sharp decrease in morbidity and the absence of deaths, and as a result of the removal of most restrictions.

                    Well, that is, you here and now, indirectly called the Israeli health officials - liars?

                    This is quite official data, which is discussed not only in Russia, but also in the West.
                    1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 19: 42
                      -5
                      Do not try to engage in demagoguery - do you have evidence that some cases are somehow connected with vaccinations? There are none, and the fact is that our covid departments are being closed en masse.
                      1. Dear sofa expert. 1 May 2021 20: 04
                        +5
                        Do not try to engage in demagoguery - do you have evidence that some cases are somehow connected with vaccinations? There are none, and the fact is that our covid departments are being closed en masse.

                        You are engaged in demagoguery here. I am just quoting the information I received from more or less serious media sources.
                        Where else can you get this information, if not from the health officials of your country?

                        Why do you think your information is correct?
                        Just because you want to?

                        I will give you links to the source. You are your enthusiastic emotional outbursts to me.

                        Well, which of us is engaged in demagoguery here?
                    2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 3 May 2021 15: 09
                      -2
                      Your link says:

                      Israeli specialists are studying cases of myocarditis after vaccinations by the American manufacturer Pfizer. Experts trying to install the link between the vaccine and the disease, writes Bloomberg. The publication reports that 62 cases of myocarditis have been recorded in the country after being vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine.

                      And nowhere is it written that the causal relationship between the vaccine and these cases of myocarditis is precisely established.

                      So demagoguery, giving out a simple medical precaution for an established causal relationship, is only you who are engaged here :)

                      You were told three times that this connection has not yet been established, and you are talking about it as a fact :)
                      1. Dear sofa expert. 3 May 2021 16: 38
                        +2
                        And nowhere is it written that the causal relationship between the vaccine and these cases of myocarditis is precisely established.

                        You look in the book, you see a fig. This is probably about you. Or can you give an example where I argued that "a causal relationship between the vaccine and these cases of myocarditis is well established"?

                        Here are my words:

                        Maybe you do not know about this, but Israel reports more frequent severe cases of myocarditis among young people vaccinated with Pfizer.

                        https://pharmvestnik.ru/content/news/Izrail-proverit-62-sluchaya-miokardita-posle-privivki-vakcinoi-Pfizer.html

                        Before vaccinations, all patients were considered healthy. A 22-year-old girl and a 35-year-old boy died from myocarditis the other day.
                        "Berries", as they say, climbed from where no one was expecting them. Nobody knows what will happen next.
                        So it's too early to talk about the complete success of the drug you have named.
                        Wait and see.

                        Excuse that I have to poke your nose into your lies again.

                        And about the cases:
                        The official version of the investigation of these cases of myocarditis by Israeli specialists is an autoimmune reaction. Yes, this is still under study. But even if it, this version, for some reason, cannot (or do not want) to confirm, then the causal relationship, all the same, albeit indirect, but still visible.
                        Even the fact that the Biontech vaccination does not prevent the disease, but only ensures its easier course, can play a very bad "joke" in the case of Israel.
                        A person who has become ill, thanks to such a vaccination, an "asymptomatic" form of coronavirus, is unaware of his illness, and continues to lead a normal life in society. That is, it initially violates the sparing regimen, desirable for the patient. Due to a false sense of security, he actively participates in personal and social life. And in the case of young people - maybe even hyperactive.

                        So he loaded the heart, which is "in the background" and so loaded with the struggle with the "asymptomatic".
                        Here is myocarditis in (predominantly) young people.

                        But for you, with your brain clogged with your own idle chatter, this is apparently too complicated matter.

                        Well, God be with you.
                      2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 5 May 2021 12: 42
                        -1
                        Or can you give an example where I argued that "the causal relationship between the vaccine and these cases of myocarditis is well established"?

                        Easy, you just need to read all your correspondence with your opponent.

                        Quote:

                        So there is none proven cases of myocarditissomehow related with vaccination.

                        To which you answered her:

                        Why not, when I gave you the link ..
                        I can give it again if you haven't noticed:

                        Your opponent told you that there are no proven cases of myocarditis associated with vaccination. That is, about the absence of cases of myocarditis, the causal relationship of which with the vaccine is precisely established. You, in your words quoted by me, say "how not, when I gave you a link."

                        You are either spinning again, or you forget about what you wrote a couple of comments ago. Happenes.
                      3. Dear sofa expert. 5 May 2021 13: 43
                        +1
                        You are either spinning again, or you forget about what you wrote a couple of comments ago. Happenes.

                        It's funny to read your next chatter about nothing. You are like a wood grouse on a current.
                        While clucking, you do not notice anything around. Meanwhile, cases of myocarditis, in direct temporary connection with the "bayontech" vaccination, described by Israeli specialists, are beginning to be confirmed by doctors from other countries. Between cases of myocarditis and vaccination, established
                        "Immediate temporary connection" is the connection that you, with your weak brain, are trying to find, adding words from letters.)

                        Although why am I here in front of you again "sword beads"?)
                        You and Highly Likely are fine when you need it.)
                      4. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 5 May 2021 14: 36
                        -1
                        Meanwhile, cases of myocarditis, in the immediate temporal the links with the Bayontech vaccination, described by Israeli specialists, are beginning to be confirmed by doctors from other countries. Between cases of myocarditis and vaccination, established
                        "Immediate temporary connection" is the connection that you, with your weak brain, are trying to find, adding words from letters.)

                        Now read about the error of substituting a causal relationship with a temporary one (post hoc ergo propter hoc).

                        The presence of a temporary connection between the two phenomena speaks only of probabilities the presence of a causal relationship between them (which needs to be proved), but not that it is definitely there.

                        Here's the news - https://www.vestniksr.ru/news/40310-v-smolenske-kursanta-voennoi-akademii-paralizovalo-posle-privivki-ot-koronavirusa.html

                        Cadet of the Smolensk Military Academy paralyzed after being vaccinated against coronavirus COVID-19

                        Will you argue about the exact existence of a causal relationship between the corona vaccine and this case? Let me remind you that Russian military personnel are being vaccinated with Russian vaccines. Tellingly, the news did not say what vaccine the cadet was vaccinated with. Perhaps so as not to destroy the myth of "perfectly safe Sputnik-V?")
                      5. Dear sofa expert. 5 May 2021 15: 59
                        +1
                        The presence of a temporary connection between two phenomena speaks only of the likelihood of a causal relationship between them (which needs to be proved), but not that it definitely exists.

                        Conventionally, but something like this (for clarity):

                        Yes, once or twice, it is most likely an accident.

                        The presence of frequently recurring cases, and even with the presence of a direct temporal connection in each individual case, translates randomness into the category of regularity.

                        How many cases of a soldier have you cited? One.
                        It is an accident.
                        In the case of Bayontech - only in Israel - more than 60
                        And Europe also reports such cases.

                        You as that with me challenged in a similar vein "Astra zeneka"?
                        So who was right?
                        In Europe, in many countries, this vaccine is either banned or restricted in use (by age).
          2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) 2 May 2021 18: 03
            0
            And I can repeat again - there is no proven connection with vaccinations.

            All those who disagree with your version are fired en masse.
            You know that very well.
  4. Oleg Kir Offline Oleg Kir
    Oleg Kir (Oleg) 1 May 2021 21: 04
    0
    According to the Israeli Ministry of Health, as of April 30, 5403356 people received the first dose of the coronavirus vaccine (about 4 in the last day), the second dose - 5090923 people (about 9 in the last day).

    Fully vaccinated about 55% of the country's population and about 75% of the adult population (over 16 years old). The first vaccination was received by about 58% of Israelis, more than 79% of the adult population.

    Already we can talk about 80% of the vaccinated adult population in Israel. Data for yesterday
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 1 May 2021 17: 52
    -5
    Another thing is interesting here. After the failure of the American vaccines, they decided to produce Russian or Chinese. Moreover, in the Stronghold of Democracy. But what about the "medicine of freedom"?

    I wish I could find out where, when, and how American vaccines failed. It is interesting to know how many people in the same west are grafted by the satellite. Cheer us up - indicate how many doses of the satellite were produced and compare with the volume of production of American vaccines (okay, you can compare not with Americans, but with synovac).
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 1 May 2021 18: 56
      +5
      I would like to know where, when and how American vaccines failed.

      Talking about failures and successes is rather an exaggeration. In general, as far as I understand, there are also cases of thrombosis in the United States, although not numerous. Unless, of course, the Europeans do not slander Johnson & Johnson.

      https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-vaccine-janssen-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood
      1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 19: 26
        -7
        I won't talk about the United States, but as I wrote above, more than 70% of the population in Israel is vaccinated exclusively by Pfizer. No cases of thrombosis are known.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 1 May 2021 19: 49
          +3
          I won't talk about the United States, but as I wrote above, more than 70% of the population in Israel is vaccinated exclusively by Pfizer. No cases of thrombosis are known.

          I am glad that you have no thrombosis. But as for the total number of vaccinated, it is probably still less, about 56%, for certain age groups it is incorrect and more than 70% is recruited, but in general it is still 56.

          https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
          1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 19: 50
            -5
            Not by individual age groups, but by 70% of the adult population, that is, over 16 years old.
    2. Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 2 May 2021 04: 41
      +1
      Why do you need to know anything?
      Selyuk is not supposed to know.
  • Kofesan Offline Kofesan
    Kofesan (Valery) 1 May 2021 18: 00
    0
    Do not believe it! As recently as yesterday, I got into conversation at dinner with one person. I went to see them at the enterprise. He has a sister. She is married to a Czech. We flew here, to Voronezh, both a few days ago, to get vaccinated. Here, in Russia, he says, for both of them, they will be injected for free ... (why did not understand, or rather, did not ask again. Then the question came to mind). And so my friend asks his sister - "... why go to Russia? Why haven't they taken root there?"
    - "At" us "there everyone thinks that the Russian Sputnik is the best in the world. At the same time, we'll see ..."

    Never an advertisement. As you wish ...
    1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 18: 45
      -10%
      Personally, I quite believe. On the former Soviet Kremlin propaganda is very powerful. It is not for nothing that people eat bread. We also find similar examples in Israel.
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 1 May 2021 19: 01
        +2
        Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
        We also have similar specimens in Israel.

        tatiana korzhenko, there is also a circumstance that can affect the situation. Have you heard this expression?

        The Forbidden fruit is sweet!
        1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 19: 28
          -5
          Yes, this is not the point, just for many former Soviet older generation, the belief in telepropaganda "from there" is simply sewn into the minds.
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 1 May 2021 19: 40
            +5
            Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
            ... sewn into consciousness.

            tatiana korzhenko, I advise you to take seriously, for example, the promotion of a healthy lifestyle.

            Do not go overboard, people have an established point of view, life experience. It is possible that the truth is on their side.

            PS Is propaganda bad? It's bad when they cheat. The old people are not to blame. yes
            1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 19: 47
              -7
              What does a healthy lifestyle and life experience have to do with the quality of a vaccine? They receive information about it exclusively from the Russian media, and the price of their "truthfulness" is known.
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 1 May 2021 20: 14
                +1
                Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
                How does a healthy lifestyle as well as life experience relate to the quality of the vaccine?

                tatiana korzhenkoand both are the subject of propaganda. I gave you an example that propaganda is good as long as it does not deceive people.

                I myself choose and evaluate the veracity of the sources of information that I use. I think that the people of Israel are doing the same, using the sources they believe. love
              2. Aleksey2691 Offline Aleksey2691
                Aleksey2691 (Alexey) 1 May 2021 23: 00
                +3
                How you fell behind! In Russia, as before, there is only a box with one Kremlin TV program, there is no Internet, instant messengers, etc.? How you have been promoted!
                I was vaccinated with Sputnik and in my personal account on State Services I keep a "Vaccination Diary". Do you have something like this?
                The fact that the growth of cases continues in the States, despite the vaccination, my life experience suggests that the source of the coronavirus infection is located there.
              3. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
                akarfoxhound 2 May 2021 08: 01
                +2
                Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
                They receive information about it exclusively from the Russian media, and the price of their "truthfulness" is known.

                The price of the "truthfulness" of the Western media is also more than known, as is well known the irrepressible desire of some copies to prove to the whole world that he pulled from Russia in order to live in "chocolate" and is now puffing rubbing in, that yes - everything around him is chocolate, regardless of color and smell, and where it escaped from is the most unapplicable bad.
                This is also medical and the diagnosis has a name laughing
          2. meandr51 Offline meandr51
            meandr51 (Andrei) 2 May 2021 15: 48
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
            Yes, this is not the point, just for many former Soviet older generation, the belief in telepropaganda "from there" is simply sewn into the minds.

            Are you saying that they don't believe in Western TV propaganda like the rest of the natives?
      2. sharp-lad Offline sharp-lad
        sharp-lad (Oleg) 1 May 2021 20: 55
        +4
        For former Soviet people, Kremlin propaganda is very powerful.

        Empty Western nonsense really does not work on the "former" Soviet ones.
        1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
          Kofesan (Valery) 1 May 2021 22: 53
          +1
          God bless him, with Israel. The light did not converge on it like a wedge. Another thing is strange. Everything is good in Israel, but in America, with about the same indicators, it is bad. The vaccine is the same, the result is different. In Europe, there is generally a pipe. According to their own feelings. In truth, they are hysterical sissies. As well as the Jews ...

          But, anyway, something is wrong here. Time is needed for conclusions.
      3. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
        Kofesan (Valery) 1 May 2021 21: 59
        +1
        Nonsense. Ambitious and categorical. It seemed to me, sorry moa.

        Mass herd formation is characteristic of all people, of any skin color, of any level of "education". I think the Israelis are not in the top ten on this "list." And as Americans or Europeans, xxx .... ahead of the entire planet. You "Shrek" look how the peasants were going to the swamp ... They were filming about themselves.

        And when people discuss something "among themselves", this is exactly how they form personal conviction. Better proof of this is your posts. With the conviction of the "superiority" of the Jewish state. Who inspired this to you? Think about it!

        Which is not really there. Myth. Historical anomaly.

        I personally remember the time when, ... for example, in Israel there was a law that gave tax benefits when using concrete. So they put asphalt there, then they opened it, laid the cable and ... poured it with concrete, and then put the bitumen-asphalt patch again. This is where the Soviet Union, looking at Israel, "rested"!

        So, what if nationality was associated with superiority ... The Soviet Union would not have survived in the Second World War, and the Jews would have been the first to fly into space.
      4. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
        Kofesan (Valery) 2 May 2021 00: 58
        +2
        Tatiana Korzhenko (Tatiana Korzhenko) Kremlin propaganda is very powerful on the former Soviet

        And cool! Look at your post Tatiana from the side. This is a slander. Explicit. What a mythical "stupidity" of the Soviet people, to whom you clearly belong too! You obviously have "Soviet roots". And where does this bias come from ?! I would even say hate.

        But not for love of the USSR for the sake of, but only for the sake of justice, you still need to tell you ...: "If it weren't for the Union, YOU would rot, like your brothers and sisters, even without getting out of the" dad ", as a representative Hitler's "beloved" people, in the land of some concentration camp! We would now be some kind of weed. Or a spine ... Brainless and wordless ...

        Maybe that's why Israel is not loved? Because of a hatred like yours for what you owe your whole worthless life. Responding with burning hatred not just "for kindness", but even "to save life"! ... Your grandparents ... Horror.

        Do you all think so there? Judging by your posts - the overwhelming majority. Horror Horror!
        And you still dare to say something from Israel about Russia or the USSR disrespectfully? ...
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 1 May 2021 19: 01
    0
    Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
    Personally, I quite believe. On the former Soviet Kremlin propaganda is very powerful. It is not for nothing that people eat bread. We also find similar examples in Israel.

    We'll have to confirm. Israel is full of Russian-speaking pensioners waiting for a satellite.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 1 May 2021 19: 24
      +3
      We'll have to confirm. Israel is full of Russian-speaking pensioners waiting for a satellite.

      People have lived their lives, they know what's what. yes Not like gullible youth raised on American advertising laughing
      1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 19: 36
        -5
        Well, of course, they believed the Soviet box all their lives, and suddenly doubted?
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 1 May 2021 19: 51
          +3
          Well, of course, they believed the Soviet box all their lives, and suddenly doubted?

          Later, American products were shown on Soviet boxes. The box does not matter what to show. Tellingly, everyone still believes him laughing
        2. Aleksey2691 Offline Aleksey2691
          Aleksey2691 (Alexey) 1 May 2021 23: 10
          0
          You have some kind of perverted understanding, obsessed with the box.
          People know "what's what" in practice, and not on TV.
        3. Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 2 May 2021 04: 53
          +1
          But they had to believe the American box!
          You just have to!
          And not how much to doubt its veracity.
          And generally speaking. How a certain Mamchur screamed - Omerika is with us!
          DRY! Triple!
        4. meandr51 Offline meandr51
          meandr51 (Andrei) 2 May 2021 15: 57
          +2
          In the USSR, people never believed in a TV box, nor did they believe Spidola with the Voice of America. They did not trust anyone. Most have developed the ability to relate information to experience and to think independently and correctly evaluate important information. They have the opportunity to compare Western TV with Soviet and Russian. And they made their own conclusions. And you did not compare anything, you are quite satisfied with Western propaganda full of absurdities, you are comfortable in it. You don't need to think ...
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 1 May 2021 19: 12
    0
    Quote: Kofesan
    In the US, 200 million are vaccinated. What's the point?

    I didn’t recognize it in Russia, but I think it’s 5 million. They don’t rush for vaccinations, and this is a fact.

    And here is the site https://coronavirus-monitor.info/country/usa/ on which the schedule of infection in the United States by day ... Fresh. Until today, the Americans believe, what is called in real time ...

    Shaw then, how does it not go with them, in America, "coronavirus" on the "recession" ???
    Despite more than half of the "accustomed" !? belay Paradox?
    Maybe they are injected with glucose, instead of "fayzers"?

    They tried to prove similarly with Israel ...
    Pfizer and Art Nouveau work great! Let's look at the results in a couple of months (a time lag is needed to trigger herd immunity). Then we'll talk.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 1 May 2021 19: 43
      +3
      Let's look at the results in a couple of months (a time lag is needed to trigger herd immunity).

      What other herd immunity? You will get tired of waiting for him. winked You get 56% fully vaccinated, with 60% of the first vaccine. If you wait for 70%, then you still have to form and shape it. Mostly Arabs and Orthodox remained unvaccinated. The Arabs are probably sorry, but the Orthodox cannot be forced.

      https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
      1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 19: 48
        -6
        70% of the ADULT population is already there.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 1 May 2021 19: 54
          +3
          70% of the ADULT population already has

          According to the link, the top left chart is not the percentage of vaccinated?

          1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 19: 56
            -1
            I can only repeat the official message of the Ministry of Health - 70% of the ADULT (over 16 years old) population of Israel has been vaccinated.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 1 May 2021 20: 04
              +3
              I can only repeat the official message of the Ministry of Health - 70% of the ADULT (over 16 years old) population of Israel has been vaccinated.

              Am I against it? You probably watched it on TV laughing
              The New York Times counts vaccinated by country, which characteristically they also indicate 56%.
              So the information on the site under the link is incorrect? Have you watched it?
            2. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 1 May 2021 20: 22
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              I can only repeat the official message of the Ministry of Health - 70% of the ADULT (over 16 years old) population of Israel has been vaccinated.

              Thank you yes Are you an official representative of the Ministry of Health?
              So the information on the site is incorrect? Or you can't comment on this?
            3. sharp-lad Offline sharp-lad
              sharp-lad (Oleg) 1 May 2021 21: 02
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              And if you count all, then there will be only 56% of the total population and 70% - from 16 years old.
              If you remember the math, 70% of the portion will be less than 70% of the total.
            4. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
              kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 1 May 2021 21: 07
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              Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
              I can only repeat the official message of the Ministry of Health - 70% of the ADULT (over 16 years old) population of Israel has been vaccinated.

              COVID-19 vaccination statistics in Israel
              As of April 30, 2021 in Israel:
              5 404 497 people (62.44% of the population) - vaccinated with at least one component of the vaccine
              5 092 858 people (58.84% of the population) - fully vaccinated
              10 497 355 pcs. - total vaccinations done
              According to our information, this is the latest information available in the region.

              Vaccination rates over the past week:
              3 498 people per day (0.04% of the population) - the number of new vaccinations per day.
              9 223 pcs. per day - the number of all vaccinations (first and second).
              https://gogov.ru/covid-v-stats/izrail hi
              1. Diver d Offline Diver d
                Diver d (Oleg) 2 May 2021 01: 14
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                Don't mislead everyone. In Israel, 28 percent of children are under the age of 14. In addition, since March 1, the Ministry of Health has allowed health insurance companies to vaccinate against coronavirus for persons who have had coronavirus, provided that they are 16 years old and that more than 3 months have passed since their recovery.
                Vaccination of the ill began on March 2. Unlike those who have not been ill, those who have been ill receive only one dose of the vaccine to strengthen the immune response.
                In addition, 830625 have recovered from the coronavirus (8.93%), and this population can be subtracted from the total population, or they will cost one vaccine. Plus more than seventy-nine percent of adults vaccinated, according to the Israeli Ministry of Health. There are only a little over ten percent of unvaccinated adults, in addition, there are unaccounted-for illnesses, so the situation is even better. Not for nothing, Israel is in the first place in terms of vaccination in the world and masks have already been officially canceled on the street.
                OurWorldInData resource publishes data on vaccination rates in various countries. By the number of vaccinated in relation to the population in the TOP-10: Israel, United Arab Emirates, Chile, Bahrain, Great Britain, USA, Hungary, Serbia, Germany, France. For some reason, Russia was not included in this list. Perhaps the owners of the world's best vaccine will explain this phenomenon? Okay, other countries, but what about their own, where this vaccine was created.
              2. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 2 May 2021 01: 31
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                I'm completely confused laughing
                Your link says:

                Why our statistics can be trusted: every figure in the table is confirmed by links to the data source (media or headquarters). Our data is used by reputable foreign sites: Our World in Data, Financial Times, New York Times.

                https://gogov.ru/articles/covid-v-stats

                Looked at the same New York Times, as I understand it, 56% of the fully vaccinated, 60% of the first vaccination. wassat

                https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html
                1. Diver d Offline Diver d
                  Diver d (Oleg) 2 May 2021 10: 02
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                  In translation, the percentage of vaccinated from the entire population of Israel.

                  This is the percentage of vaccinated people in relation to the entire population in Israel. From this number, you need to subtract 27,5 percent of children under 14 years of age who have not yet been given permission to vaccinate. And another four percent for children between the ages of 14 and 16, for whom vaccination has not yet been authorized, but this decision will be made soon. Total: minus 33,5%, which means that the allowed amount for vaccination is 66,5 percent. Fully vaccinated more than 56% from the source that you indicated, by the way, is correct. In total, only 10,5 percent are currently available for full vaccination and not vaccinated. You can also subtract the number of people who have been ill, of which only one vaccine is needed for vaccination, and this is almost 9 percent more.
                  So, hello to those who succumbed to your own propaganda and were not vaccinated here, and by the way, they are not religious, this trend did not last long, but just pensioners from the former USSR and Arabs, who make up the lion's share of seriously ill patients. "Thank you" to Russian TV channels, because they are watched by those who do not understand Hebrew and Arabs, who have their own opinion on everything that is different from the rest.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 2 May 2021 17: 31
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                    In translation, the percentage of vaccinated from the entire population of Israel.

                    What am I talking about? Is not this amount considered 70% necessary for, cook here put it, "herd immunity"?
                    I don't understand your nerves at all. request There, according to the New York Times link, there is data on Russia, 5,2% are fully vaccinated, and in my opinion, no one here has any complexities about this.
                    In terms of vaccination coverage of the population, everything is natural, the Pareto law fully explains everything, initially 20% of efforts give 80% of the result, and the remaining 80% of efforts - only 20%. Everything goes well at first and requires less effort, the residues are more difficult to vaccinate.

                    So, hello to those who succumbed to your own propaganda and were not vaccinated here, and by the way, they are not religious, this trend did not last long, but just pensioners from the former USSR and Arabs, who make up the lion's share of seriously ill patients. "Thank you" to Russian TV channels, because they are watched by those who do not understand Hebrew and Arabs, who have their own opinion on everything that is different from the rest.

                    They wrote about the slowdown and "problem" categories of the population back in February. And what is typical, pensioners from the former USSR are not listed there, but elderly people are noted in the Arab community and among the "ultra-Orthodox".
                    Are they the ones who are most susceptible to the propaganda of Russian channels and do not understand Hebrew?

                    https://time.com/5947967/israel-covid-vaccine-rollout/

                    Don't you think that you yourself got involved in propaganda and are trying to create some kind of fabulous image? The people of Israel all as one stood up to fight the virus and only Arabs and pensioners from the USSR are out of step, and of course Russian propaganda is to blame for everything? Come on, it doesn't happen, people are people everywhere.
                    How about organizing mass events? Is everything ok with social distance there? I didn’t want to show the video of the tragedy, but it’s too visual. Full stands, of course, no masks, and I suppose the bulk of these people are not vaccinated.

            5. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 2 May 2021 17: 56
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              I can only repeat the official message of the Ministry of Health - 70% of the ADULT (over 16 years old) population of Israel has been vaccinated.

              They lie, as usual.
              In general, I wonder how you can believe the government propaganda. request
            6. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 2 May 2021 18: 25
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              I can only repeat the official message of the Ministry of Health

              Does Tatiana believe in Israeli officialdom?
              You have been deceived.
              Yes, you yourself are ready to believe ..

              Prokhindey Kashpirovsky has long been excommunicated from Russia, but you have a lot of fun.

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      2. Diver d Offline Diver d
        Diver d (Oleg) 2 May 2021 00: 03
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        What other herd immunity? You will get tired of waiting for him. winked You get 56% fully vaccinated, with the first vaccine 60%. If you wait for 70%, then you still have to form and shape it. Mostly Arabs and Orthodox remained unvaccinated. The Arabs are probably sorry, but the Orthodox cannot be forced.

        Here I really disagree. Here is the latest data on vaccinations in Israel from a source provided by you. https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
        We look at the population vaccination table. I will explain it in translation. This is a vaccination chart according to age. Green is two vaccines, blue is one.


        As you can see, the threshold of seventy-five percent has already been overcome long ago in all categories of the adult population. We are already talking about eighty percent of adults, more precisely, more than 79 percent of adults are already vaccinated, according to the same Israeli Ministry of Health. Lord, so who is engaged in propaganda and dissemination of false information, referring for greater importance to the original source ... I think it should be a shame to mislead everyone and give inaccurate information as the truth.
    2. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
      Kofesan (Valery) 1 May 2021 22: 03
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      I'm not an expert. But at the beginning of the pandemic, I heard a version of 60% ... In the meantime, in America, if we exclude the peaks, there were 60 infected per day, and it remains ...
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 1 May 2021 19: 19
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    Quote: 123
    I would like to know where, when and how American vaccines failed.

    Talking about failures and successes is rather an exaggeration. In general, as far as I understand, there are also cases of thrombosis in the United States, although not numerous. Unless, of course, the Europeans do not slander Johnson & Johnson.

    https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-vaccine-janssen-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood

    Is this a failure? Should I scoop up all the dubious information and talk about the satellite's failure? Scandal in Slovakia with refusal and claims, Czech Republic refusal, Brazil refusal ... Lack of transparent statistics on side effects. To pretend that I don't understand the mechanisms of dirty competition?
    So what is Sputnik's success in the west?
    1. Dear sofa expert. 1 May 2021 19: 27
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      Czech refusal, Brazil refusal ...

      Do you understand that both the Czech Republic's refusal and Brazil's refusal have a purely political motive, which has nothing to do with the quality of the Russian vaccine?)
      1. tatiana korzhenko (tatiana korzhenko) 1 May 2021 19: 39
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        Of course, this is a global anti-Russian conspiracy :))) In Slovakia, they also came up with the idea that the sent vaccine is different from the one advertised. And the absence of many research materials is also fiction.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 1 May 2021 19: 55
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          Of course, this is a global anti-Russian conspiracy :))) In Slovakia, they also came up with the idea that the sent vaccine was different from the one advertised.

          Well, the conspiracy of the West against Russia is obvious, so it makes no sense to be ironic (and even more so to debate) on this matter.

          As for the differing composition, here, unfortunately, there may well be (I do not claim!) Negligence. After all, export versions of the vaccine are produced mainly under a license, and directly in the countries that bought it. It is more difficult to control the quality of such a drug than that released at our own enterprises. If so, they will figure it out.
          By the way, the sad "Astra Zeneca" also faced about the same problem. It is also produced in different countries, but not all of them have "distinguished" themselves with thrombosis.
        2. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 1 May 2021 20: 21
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          Of course, this is a global anti-Russian conspiracy :))) In Slovakia, they also came up with the idea that the sent vaccine is different from the one advertised. And the absence of many research materials is also fiction.

          Did they tell you that on TV too? In the old way, still Soviet?
          They were told, since they do not like it, return it.
          In response, silence, or rather a loud chomping and grunting. The vaccine was not returned, they say it will come in handy on the farm, but they continue to grunt.

          https://iz.ru/1133511/2021-03-06/premer-slovakii-iskliuchil-otkaz-ot-ispolzovaniia-v-strane-vaktciny-sputnik-v
        3. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
          Kofesan (Valery) 1 May 2021 22: 04
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          This is the same herd, about which you yourself, as applied to the USSR, and interpreted.
    2. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 2 May 2021 02: 03
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      Is this a failure? Should I scoop up all the dubious information and talk about the satellite's failure?

      Are you still in the mood for a scandal? If you want exaggeration, you can of course speculate about failure. Does this make sense?

      Scandal in Slovakia with refusal and claims

      Why then didn’t they return the vaccine if you don’t like it?

      Czech refusal

      You have forgotten Ukraine winked They are as principled and independent as Czechs and Slovaks. laughing

      Brazil refusal ...

      At the press conference, the chairman of the commission said that the technical department had identified problems by reading the documents sent by the developer belay They are psychics winked
      In general, they will read on until no one has given up on anything.

      https://brazilian.report/liveblog/2021/04/29/anvisa-refutes-accusations-of-sputnik-v-developers/

      Lack of transparent statistics on side effects.

      Here it is really interesting to watch. Is there an opaque one? Where did you look? Would the countries where they apply would become silent in case of problems?

      To pretend that I don't understand the mechanisms of dirty competition?

      You just demonstrated this with the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Brazil yes

      So what is Sputnik's success in the west?

      What is Pfizer's success in the east? Or what is the failure of Sputnik in the west?
      Who is the west and who is the east?
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 1 May 2021 19: 58
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    Quote: 123
    Let's look at the results in a couple of months (a time lag is needed to trigger herd immunity).

    What other herd immunity? You will get tired of waiting for him. winked You get 56% fully vaccinated, with 60% of the first vaccine. If you wait for 70%, then you still have to form and shape it. Mostly Arabs and Orthodox remained unvaccinated. The Arabs are probably sorry, but the Orthodox cannot be forced.

    https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general

    You did not understand. It was about the United States. In Israel, we have already reached the level of herd immunity. In May, they plan to start working with children 12-16 years old.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 1 May 2021 20: 26
      +1
      In Israel, we have already reached the level of herd immunity. In May, they plan to start working with children 12-16 years old.

      And what about children?)
      Does herd immunity not apply to them?

      I heard that in Israel there will be a third inoculation "to catch up" to the two already available.
      Is there something wrong with the “herd”, or how is this to be understood?
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 1 May 2021 20: 28
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    Europe needs a Russian vaccine against the Sputnik V coronavirus, said Hans Kluge, director of the regional office of the World Health Organization (WHO), in an interview with TASS.

    “I hope that in the foreseeable future, very close, the vaccine will be used in the region,” said Kluge, pointing out that the EU and other countries are facing drug shortages. The WHO spokesman said he did not understand "this hesitation, sometimes international and sometimes skepticism" about Russia's intention to get Sputnik V registered with the EU.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 1 May 2021 20: 52
    +1
    In Israel, 70% of the adult population is actually vaccinated, about 70% of the total population have antibodies.
    The least vaccinated sector of the Israelis was not the Orthodox, but the Russian-speaking Israelis.
    The number of cases is steadily falling, has gone below 100 people / day, mortality is 0-2 people / day. Pfizer is working.
    A side effect is an unpleasant thing, but one must be naive to assume that some vaccine does not have it. A side effect was observed even with the introduction of a placebo.
    Seasonal vaccination of risk groups is planned in autumn.
    1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
      Kofesan (Valery) 1 May 2021 22: 09
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      Faizer can and does work. But there are no guarantees that in a certain number of ampoules, instead of him, undefined biomolecules diluted to uselessness are not. There are no guarantees. There is a chance. The "West" has very low authority. And it wasn't just Powell's test tube that started. And much earlier ...

      Better tell me how the American drug manufacturers got hooked on amphetamines. "Billions" have earned !!! Millions got hooked !!! And the Children too ... !!!
    2. Oleg Kir Offline Oleg Kir
      Oleg Kir (Oleg) 2 May 2021 09: 29
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      I'll correct your message a little. More than 79% of the adult population of Israelis are vaccinated. Data from Israel's Ministry of Health as of April 30. The seventy percent threshold has long been passed.
    3. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
      Kofesan (Valery) 7 May 2021 07: 49
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      Strange, according to almost your own "Bloomberg" - only 55,9%! And with the infected, not everything is as smooth as in your posts.


      after being vaccinated with the infamous Pfizer vaccines, more (!!!) 12000 people tested positive for the new ARVI.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 2 May 2021 08: 03
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    Quote: Kofesan
    Faizer can and does work. But there are no guarantees that in a certain number of ampoules, instead of him, undefined biomolecules diluted to uselessness are not. There are no guarantees. There is a chance. The "West" has very low authority. And it wasn't just Powell's test tube that started. And much earlier ...

    Better tell me how the American drug manufacturers got hooked on amphetamines. "Billions" have earned !!! Millions got hooked !!! And the Children too ... !!!

    They still lynch blacks!
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 2 May 2021 08: 26
    +1
    So they did not find out what the Sputnik's success was. There is not a single country vaccinated by Sputnik where herd immunity has been created. All the talk about how Europe will start producing and stabbing in the millions has remained (for now) just talk. All talk about tens of millions of vaccines comes down to production projects in China, India, Turkey.
    Since the beginning of the year I have been writing that until the beginning of summer Sputnik will not be allowed to reach Europe. It seems that only by the fall due to a failure in the timing of vaccination. This does not make Sputnik bad, I am just stating the obvious things. Lacking a production base, Russia is still building projects. If at least part of it can be realized, it will be (future tense) success. Today we have Russia in 40th place in terms of vaccination and a ridiculous volume of production. Call it a success - ....
    1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
      Alexzn (Alexander) 2 May 2021 08: 33
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      Remembered! There is one country vaccinated by Sputnik! San Marino. 30 thousand people. Undoubted success!
    2. meandr51 Offline meandr51
      meandr51 (Andrei) 2 May 2021 16: 02
      +1
      There is such a country. San Marino is called. There are 40 thousand people there, and all are vaccinated by the Sputnik. Patients - 0.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 2 May 2021 08: 45
    +1
    Quote: 123
    To pretend that I don't understand the mechanisms of dirty competition?
    You just demonstrated this with the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Brazil

    Again you did not read carefully! I am not a supporter of simplifications and gave an example with these countries just as the use of dirty competition. Russia is pouring slops on Western vaccines, the West (which has a more significant resource) wipes its feet on Sputnik. Somewhere Western vaccines showed their shortcomings, somewhere Sputnik got into dubious situations.
    1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
      Kofesan (Valery) 2 May 2021 16: 48
      +1
      And here is a recent publication on the topic of Sputnik efficiency. San Marino (population 30) has completely recovered. Thanks to the satellite. Exclusively to him. I think it's a good example ... https: //vz.ru/world/000/2021/4/30.html
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 2 May 2021 19: 00
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      Russia sprinkles Western vaccines with slops,

      Stupidity, it is enough for Russia to operate with data on competing vaccines on the foreign market.
      They are in favor of the Russian vaccine.

      You habitually try to blame everything from a sore head to a healthy one.
      It turns out to be primitive and extremely ineffective. love

      PS Has the competition been canceled in this world?
      Or are you not aware that there is competition now?
  • NoN importa Offline NoN importa
    NoN importa (NoN importa) 2 May 2021 10: 11
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    I read the abuse in the comments, it's funny ... I want to note that the pfizer vaccine has been working for 5 months and this is not the formation of herd immunity, but a vicious circle
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 2 May 2021 18: 07
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    Quote: meandr51
    There is such a country. San Marino is called. There are 40 thousand people there, and all are vaccinated by the Sputnik. Patients - 0.

    36 thousand and vaccinated 15-20 thousand. One can say - Europe is saved!
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 2 May 2021 18: 51
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      36 thousand and vaccinated 15-20 thousand. One can say - Europe is saved!

      We can say that you are very unhappy.
      Russia, by the way, did not advertise "the salvation of Europe."
      The smart can get help in the form of a vaccine.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 2 May 2021 19: 23
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    Quote: Ulysses
    36 thousand and vaccinated 15-20 thousand. One can say - Europe is saved!

    We can say that you are very unhappy.
    Russia, by the way, did not advertise "the salvation of Europe."
    The smart can get help in the form of a vaccine.

    What am I not happy with? The fact that Europeans, for the sake of politics, refuse, most likely, a good vaccine? Or by the fact that they are trying to prove to me the huge successes of Sputnik, which simply do not exist?
    The only thing I'm not happy with is false information.
  • Kapany3 Online Kapany3
    Kapany3 3 May 2021 12: 33
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    Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
    Personally, I quite believe. On the former Soviet Kremlin propaganda is very powerful. It is not for nothing that people eat bread. We also find similar examples in Israel.

    Sorry, but apparently you are the "instance". I find no other explanation for your disrespect for me.