The headquarters of Alexei Navalny is recognized as a terrorist organization and banned in the Russian Federation


It is likely that the story with political the activities of the former leader of the Russian non-systemic opposition of the right-wing Alexei Navalny is coming to an end. Rosfinmonitoring put an end to the legal capacity of his organizations on Friday, April 30.


By order of the authorities of the Russian Federation, from that day on, the "Headquarters of Alexei Navalny" was recognized as a terrorist organization and banned on the territory of the Russian Federation, since they saw signs of extremism in its activities. However, this is not surprising given Navalny's repeated calls for the overthrow of the existing state system in Russia by violent means - in any country that respects such rhetoric is a criminal offense.

Leonid Volkov, an employee of the Anti-Corruption Fund (FBK is a non-profit organization that performs the functions of a foreign agent), ordered the closure of the regional offices of the Aleksey Navalny Headquarters, as otherwise their members would face prosecution under the law.

Earlier, the Moscow City Court also restricted the rights of the activities of FBK and the Fund for the Protection of Citizens' Rights (FZPG - a non-profit organization that performs the functions of a foreign agent). These organizations, along with the "Shtab", are now prohibited from interacting with the media, posting materials on the Internet, taking part in elections and using their financial resources - they are only allowed to pay salaries, taxes and damages.
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  1. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) April 30 2021 17: 43
    +10
    It's time.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 30 2021 18: 07
    -10%
    Finally we did it.
    And they urgently began to adopt laws on permitted corruption and the immunity of officials.
    Well done!
    1. rjpthju Offline rjpthju
      rjpthju (Lev Atyasov) April 30 2021 20: 50
      -6
      Corruption has already been allowed, in the case of "force majeure". Navalny the terrorist was hidden, terrorized the top, as long as you could endure, now everything is possible, try to look askance at the official, you yourself will become an extremist.
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 1 May 2021 00: 22
        +1
        You know everything, you have been everywhere ... (c)
      2. oracul Offline oracul
        oracul (leonid) 1 May 2021 07: 36
        +1
        Do not look askance, but be honest and truthful, do not engage in verbiage in the interests of those who hate Russia.
        1. Hail gord Offline Hail gord
          Hail gord (Hail Gord) 30 May 2021 11: 19
          0
          That's right, it's time to expel the haters of Russia from the highest leadership positions!
    2. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) 1 May 2021 11: 30
      +3
      Sergey Latyshev is a professional foreign agent.
      Admin, please remove.
      1. Astronaut Offline Astronaut
        Astronaut (San Sanych) 1 May 2021 15: 55
        +2
        .. and block.
      2. Dear sofa expert. 1 May 2021 22: 55
        +3
        Sergey Latyshev is a professional foreign agent.
        Admin, please remove.

        Come on, what are you?
        The man is a masochist. I went in as usual - just collect the "cons". It calms him down.
  3. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) April 30 2021 18: 08
    -7
    Terrorism is a policy based on the systematic use of terror.

    Terror (lat. Terror "fear, horror") - intimidation of political opponents by means of physical violence. Terror is also called the threat of physical violence for political or any other reasons, or intimidation with the threat of violence or murder.

    Navalny constantly applies physical violence and murder to his political opponents ... Or have I mixed up the names ???
    1. rjpthju Offline rjpthju
      rjpthju (Lev Atyasov) April 30 2021 20: 55
      -9
      Now all THEM is possible. Vaughn Platoshkin, too, it turns out, was preparing an armed coup (mentally) ... These are the things.
    2. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 1 May 2021 01: 10
      +3
      Quote: Igor Pavlovich
      Terrorism is a policy based on the systematic use of terror.

      Where did you get this oil from into the light of day? fool
    3. Astronaut Offline Astronaut
      Astronaut (San Sanych) 1 May 2021 15: 56
      0
      And the attack on the cops - was that the wind?))
  4. Shelest2000 Offline Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 April 30 2021 18: 22
    -11%
    Lovely! Lovely! (S)
    In Russia, any opposition, well, except for the one that is appointed by the government itself (such as the Liberal Democratic Party, the SR, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, etc. political, uh ... women of easy virtue) are terrorist organizations by default.
    Grudinin - was defamed by the authorities in the 2018 elections and is under strong political and economic pressure. The authorities spoil him with joy and pleasure, taking revenge for the burned out nerves in the elections.
    Platoshkin - has been under house arrest for almost a year on a trumped-up charge without providing the facts of illegal actions. In winter, the court extended his arrest under the pretext that he knew several languages ​​and could flee the country. Oh, how ... We have a fifth of the country, well, even the 10th, knows foreign languages. 14,5 million fugitives. Hmm ...
    "Unknown blogger" - dared, scoundrel, to return to Russia, although the authorities hinted to him not to do this. I dared. Whoever he is, he has a sense of pride and self-respect. How many would be able to do so - to return to their homeland 100% knowing that you will be imprisoned?
    1. rjpthju Offline rjpthju
      rjpthju (Lev Atyasov) April 30 2021 21: 03
      -7
      etc. political uh ... women of easy virtue

      Feel free to call a spade a spade. This is what Lenin called Zinoviev and Kamenev - political prostitutes. And everyone studied it on the subject of Marxist-Leninist philosophy.

      Whoever he is, he has a sense of pride and self-respect. How many could do that - to return to their homeland 100% knowing that you will be imprisoned?

      I agree with you 100%. This step is worthy of respect. Not a supporter of him, but he did useful work, he opened people's eyes to many things. Terrorized the top ... Terrorist !!!
      1. Shelest2000 Offline Shelest2000
        Shelest2000 4 May 2021 16: 11
        0
        Feel free to call a spade a spade. Lenin called Zinoviev with Kamenev - political prostitutes

        Yes, I really do not know which words are allowed here and which are not. I have already been warned by the editors for, how to say this ... Oh, for being too emotional wassat

        Not a supporter of him

        Yes, I am too. Moreover, in many respects I do not directly support him, and even the enemy in terms of his statements about the "occupation" of Crimea and the return to his country 404 and the need to repent before any European and about its peeling. This "unknown blogger" has now tried to act as a "flag", but it did not happen. It reminds me of 1905. Don't you find some similarities?
        Well, I repeat - for the authorities all terrorists and drug addicts, who are against it and its lackeys. Someone will go to jail for extremism, someone for a paper cup, and someone will be planted with drugs, so as not to interfere with the necessary people from the government to cut loot.
        Where we live.
        Yes, I see a lot of Prigozhin trolls here. They are actively working out their 30 pieces of silver.
  5. Breard Offline Breard
    Breard (Serg) April 30 2021 18: 48
    -8
    Nuuuuu will correctly say "patriot" - Now only corruption itself will fight corruption! Hooray"
    Bulk is a fosterling of the West! This is not disputed.
    BUT! Has anyone questioned the results ... of the investigations of the "dug out" FBK ...
    They are REAL too!
    1. rjpthju Offline rjpthju
      rjpthju (Lev Atyasov) April 30 2021 21: 07
      -4
      I agree. They did not want to sue (they were rather afraid), otherwise this would have surfaced .... Terrorized them.
    2. Astronaut Offline Astronaut
      Astronaut (San Sanych) 1 May 2021 15: 58
      0
      They were real only at the beginning, and then fakes started.
  6. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) April 30 2021 20: 09
    +5
    Posts from foreign colleagues, but rather a bot.
    Nuuuu, lovely !!!
    1. Pivander Offline Pivander
      Pivander (Alex) April 30 2021 20: 30
      +6
      From non-profit "partners" so to speak.
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) April 30 2021 20: 53
        +1
        Sasha, or Lyosha? Perhaps I noticed that I have all the "friends-colleagues" here ...
        Foreigners who tell me how bad my life is, I suggest they share photos in Votsap. One agreed, I went out to him, among other things, took off at the entrance, which cars are now, the answer about the Israelis innocently killed by Soviet tanks ...
    2. Breard Offline Breard
      Breard (Serg) 1 May 2021 16: 50
      +1
      Nuuuu you are a bot but correct! fellow
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 1 May 2021 18: 25
        -1
        See a personal, threw Wotsap drinks
  7. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 30 2021 20: 49
    -6
    Is it really that bad if Navalny's rather harmless and toothless organization should be banned before the elections? Eh, history does not teach anything, such suppression of everything and everyone led to 1917. I don't understand, Navalny was an ideal oppositionist, not capable of not only actually competing for power, but at least seriously harming the current one. The despicable moods after the defeat of the FBK will not go anywhere, they will simply concentrate around another person, and whether this person as herbivorous as Navalny wakes up is still a question.

    this is not surprising given Navalny's repeated calls to overthrow the existing state system in Russia by violent means

    And can you link where he calls for this?
    1. oracul Offline oracul
      oracul (leonid) 1 May 2021 08: 00
      +3
      Regarding links, the seeker, yes, will find it. The FBK calls for the ignorant to go out into the street and hang out, and under their cover someone (for money) begins to call, including for a change of power, an attack on the security forces and their family members, is this normal! just give power and blood will be.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 1 May 2021 12: 07
        -3
        Quote: oracul
        And about herbivorousness, just give them power and there will be blood.

        These are your nothing, not grounded fantasies.

        Quote: oracul
        under their cover, someone (for money) begins to call

        These are also your fantasies

        Quote: oracul
        an attack on security officials and their families is normal!

        These have already been condemned, inadequate everywhere, and what does Navalny have to do with it?

        Quote: oracul
        FBK calls for the undergrowth to go out and hang out,

        According to the constitution, we declare freedom of assembly, there is nothing illegal in the calls to go to the rally.
    2. Dear sofa expert. 1 May 2021 22: 59
      +3
      Is it really that bad if Navalny's rather harmless and toothless organization should be banned before the elections?

      Who said that an organization supported by the secret services of third countries is harmless and toothless?)
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 2 May 2021 00: 01
        -5
        Who said that the harmless and toothless FBK is supported by the services of third countries? I know, I know. Agents Nick and Mike let it slip.

        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 2 May 2021 01: 09
          +1
          Oleg Rambover, the final decision on the activities of FBK, as I understand it, is still not accepted.

          If you are again dissatisfied with something, formulate your claims and state them in such a way that they believe you. You are not terrorists yet, otherwise you have been on the bunk for a long time. Apparently, it was your group that launched the article.

          PS They don't believe you on the site for a long time, you got everyone with your lies. "Terrorists" muddy the waters and are still at large, but they are already screaming about injustice. laughing
        2. Dear sofa expert. 2 May 2021 09: 32
          +3
          I know, I know. Agents Nick and Mike let it slip.

          Yes, yes ... that's how it was. Boshirov and Petrov spilled over personally ... drunk.

          Do you seem to find these arguments convincing?)
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 2 May 2021 11: 04
            -3
            Do you have any other arguments in favor of your version about the support of the special services?
            1. Dear sofa expert. 2 May 2021 11: 52
              +3
              Do you have any other arguments in favor of your version about the support of the special services?

              I have already answered your "brother in mind" to this. Hailey Likely is that for people of your "level", there is sufficient reasoning. And be content with that.)
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 2 May 2021 13: 26
                -4
                Ahhh ... Believer. Why then do you get involved in an argument, if of the arguments you and your brothers in mind have only faith? I understand that your belief does not require a reasoned justification, but for others it is not. I do not share your belief and I can only be convinced about the arguments.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 2 May 2021 14: 00
                  +3
                  Your belief does not require a reasoned justification, but for others it is not.

                  So you, too, do not give a reasoned justification for your belief in decency, twice convicted of fraud, Navalny. And then there is the connection of this "comrade" with the Western special services. Or who, in your opinion, supplied him with (dis) information for his "cinematic masterpiece" while he pretended to be "poisoned with a military (already ridiculous) poisonous substance" in a hospital of the "third state"?)
                2. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 2 May 2021 14: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Oleg Rambover
                  ... I can only be convinced about the arguments

                  Oleg Rambover, no arguments can convince you. Against stupidity, all arguments are powerless, just your case. yes
            2. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 2 May 2021 12: 36
              +3
              Oleg Ramboverenough to excite the people and create the appearance of their importance.

              You will only get tickets to the resorts of Magadan and Kolyma when you deserve it.

              Nobody is going to support you there, at the expense of the state and for no reason. laughing
        3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 3 May 2021 15: 02
          0
          Who said that the harmless and toothless FBK is supported by the services of third countries?

          It's too late to change your shoes in flight and squeal about "harmless and toothless FBK". laughing
          Lechaim, they say, has already learned the new song ..

  8. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) April 30 2021 22: 30
    -5
    However, this is not surprising given Navalny's repeated calls for the overthrow of the existing state system in Russia by violent means - in any country that respects such rhetoric is a criminal offense.

    Interestingly, in what specific statements of Navalny and his associates did the authorities find calls for the violent overthrow of the authorities?
    1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) April 30 2021 22: 58
      0
      Colleagues Oleg and Kirill cannot eat or sleep ... One thought from morning to dark night and from night to morning ...
      Well, how are they Navalny ???
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) April 30 2021 22: 59
        -4
        To mention Navalny once in a commentary on an article about Navalny - is it you "think from morning to dark at night and from night to morning ..."?

        Is your thinking process so slow that you can master 1 thought a day?
        1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) April 30 2021 23: 07
          +2
          An ordinary beggar emigrant hamlo, God forgive me! Dear Ruslan, I apologize for the not very parliamentary expression, but they got it already at your Russian forum ...
          PS: I scan the page ...
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) April 30 2021 23: 10
            -5
            An ordinary beggar emigrant hamlo, God forgive me!

            Why are you so about yourself ... However, self-criticism is good.

            Dear Ruslan, I apologize for the not very parliamentary expression, but they got it already at your Russian forum ...

            Don't cry, okay?
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 2 May 2021 08: 53
              +1
              Quote: Cyril
              Why are you so about yourself ... However, self-criticism is good.

              Don't cry, okay?

              Cyril, do not be a child, everyone here knows how to read and understands who the comment is addressed to.

              I am surprised by something else, I remember you said that the theory of argumentation is your reference book, what then caused your primitive answers, the level of "the fool himself"? laughing
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 2 May 2021 09: 00
                -2
                Isophat, I use my knowledge in the theory of argumentation in dispute... Do you know what a "dispute" is? I hope you know.

                And the comment of "Petr Vladimirovich" was not an expression of any position on any issue. He was just an insult. To which the corresponding answer was given. That's all.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 2 May 2021 09: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: Cyril
                  To which the corresponding answer was given.

                  Cyril, it is you who think that your answer is consistent, but I was disappointed with your answer. sad
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 3 May 2021 04: 43
                    -4
                    and your answer caused me a feeling of disappointment

                    Oh, woe to me, woe :) Isophat is disappointed, nightmare-nightmare :)
    2. cmonman Offline cmonman
      cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 30 2021 23: 09
      -6
      Interestingly, in what specific statements of Navalny and his associates did the authorities find calls for the violent overthrow of the authorities?

      Yes, his only desire to fight corruption (not the government!) In Russia made him and his associates an enemy of the government, and, consequently, an enemy of Russia. Conclusion - Russia belongs to the authorities! And the authorities want and will command the country as they please, any criticism / investigation is prohibited. And this is in the 21st century, not in the Middle Ages ...!
      1. Dear sofa expert. 1 May 2021 11: 16
        +3
        Yes, his only desire to fight corruption (not with the government!)

        Yes? Well, what does the Western intelligence services care about "corruption" in Russia?

        Do you at least understand the brainlessness of what you are constantly writing here?

        Although what am I talking about? The people who elect a decrepit, and therefore not particularly friendly with their brain, president, themselves, a priori, cannot be smart.
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 2 May 2021 08: 48
          -2
          The people who elect a decrepit, and therefore not particularly friendly with their brain, president themselves, a priori, cannot be smart.

          The people who choose the decrepit president are a priori smarter than the people who cannot choose at all
          1. Dear sofa expert. 2 May 2021 09: 41
            +2
            The people who choose the decrepit president are a priori smarter than the people who cannot choose at all

            Yes, you are right, here I got excited, talking about a state where there are even no direct elections.

            First, the people are slipping some obscene contenders from two parties. Then some electors decide which of these "two evils" was chosen by the people. )

            How smart should such a people be if they consider themselves a participant in the "democratic elections"?)
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 3 May 2021 04: 29
              -2
              Yes, you are right, here I got excited, talking about a state where there are even no direct elections.

              In principle, you are constantly getting excited, trying to talk about things in which you do not understand anything - including how the American electoral system functions and why it has been preserved in the United States for several centuries :)

              First, the people are slipping some obscene contenders from two parties.

              Well, yes, it’s not just one thing to slip :)

              How smart should such a people be if they consider themselves a participant in the "democratic elections"?)

              Well, not the stupidest one, given the level of its development and global domination.
              1. Dear sofa expert. 3 May 2021 10: 05
                +2
                given the level of its development and global domination.

                Tell about the "level of development" to 50 million poor Americans who do not have basic health insurance, and about "global domination", to those 600 thousand who died from the coronavirus.
                Let them be proud of their greatness, so to speak, posthumously.
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 3 May 2021 10: 55
                  -2
                  About the "level of development" tell 50 million poor Americans who do not have basic health insurance,

                  True, for some reason, in the absence of health insurance (and again you do not know how it works), the mortality rate in the United States is 8,2 per 1000 people, and in Russia - 13,4 :)

                  but about "global domination", those 600 thousand people who died from the coronavirus.

                  How is global domination connected with deaths from the corona?) Here is the freezing of the construction of the Russian naval base in Sudan on the orders of the United States - wow, it is connected.
                  1. Dear sofa expert. 3 May 2021 11: 57
                    +2
                    True, for some reason, in the absence of health insurance (and again you do not know how it works), the mortality rate in the United States is 8,2 per 1000 people, and in Russia - 13,4

                    Unlike you, I know how honey works. insurance in the usa.

                    I gave you the specific results of the "work" of this insurance: 600000 deaths from coronavirus.

                    And they died because they were late in seeking medical help. They pulled it to the last, and many, and even thought, did not arise to go to the doctor. Because it's stupid for what!

                    These 50+ million Americans don't have honey. insurance because they simply cannot afford it.
                    But even many of those who have it cannot afford to run to the doctor for the “first nozzle from the nose”, because up to a certain level from which this (initially flawed) insurance begins to operate, the little man has to spread their hard-earned "cash". Which are not.

                    This is the “real level of development” that you are humming about here, it’s not clear where you pick out your “numbers” that do not talk about anything, and besides, they smell like a banal lie.
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 3 May 2021 14: 37
                      -2
                      Unlike you, I know how honey works. insurance in the usa.

                      Nope, I don't know :)

                      I gave you the specific results of the "work" of this insurance: 600000 deaths from coronavirus.

                      600 people are explained by a complex of reasons, of which the availability of insurance is not the most important. For example, in the United States, the population is more active than in Russia, flying to other countries, including Asia, which increases the likelihood of infection - therefore, increases the number of infected - and therefore increases the number of deaths.

                      Or, for example, the population of the United States much more often than in Russia attends various social events, their service sector is much more developed, etc. - therefore, more contacts between people, more infections, more deaths.

                      Oh, and there are 330 million people in the United States, and 142 million in Russia.

                      For the purity of the experiment, you can compare the death rates from the corona in New York and in Moscow - 32 people and 626 people. The difference is only 18 times in favor of Moscow. And given the lack of public control of state statistics in Russia, there are serious doubts about the objectivity of the latest figures.

                      But even many of those who have it cannot afford to run to the doctor for the “first nozzle from the nose”, because up to a certain level from which this (initially flawed) insurance begins to operate, the little man has to spread their hard-earned "cash". Which are not.

                      On the first nozzle from the nose, no one runs to the hospital. Well, apart from you :)

                      This is the "real level of development" that you are humming about here.

                      I have given specific data on the mortality rate in both countries. If the healthcare system in Russia is more efficient, there shouldn't have been such a difference - people get sick and die in the same way everywhere.

                      and besides, smelling like a banal lie, "tsiferki".

                      Yes, yes, yes, everything that does not fit into your picture of the world is lies and provocations of Western agents :)

                      Take a walk :)
                      1. Dear sofa expert. 3 May 2021 14: 56
                        +2
                        in the US, the population is more active than in Russia, flies to other countries, including Asia, which increases the likelihood of infection - therefore, increases the number of infected - therefore, increases the number of deaths

                        Outbound tourism:
                        1. China - $ 164,9 billion
                        2. United States - $ 145,7 billion

                        that is, for a slight advantage of the Chinese, they are approximately equal.

                        Number of deaths from coronavirus:
                        1. USA - 583.148 cases
                        Somewhere in the last row .. China - 4.636 cases.

                        Something like this ... You got an unconvincing example.)

                        The rest of your "footcloth" does not stand up to criticism at all. Nonsense, driven by stupidity.)
                      2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 5 May 2021 12: 29
                        -1
                        Something like this ... You got an unconvincing example.)

                        Now let's take a closer look at the example.

                        So, the effectiveness of treatment can be assessed by the ratio of cases to deaths. So? So. The more effective and accessible treatment is, the more people recover, the fewer die.

                        China. Cases of the disease - 90 721, of them died - 4 636. Total - died 5,11% from sick people.

                        USA. Cases of the disease - 32,5 million, of which 578 thousand died. Total ratio of deaths to cases - 1,78%

                        Well, the smaller number of cases and deaths in China is explained not by free medicine, on which you do not need to spend money and which is supposedly available to the entire population, but by simple total quarantine. So total that some cities in China temporarily turned into concentration camps, where violators of the regime were punished very, very harshly.

                        Again. Fewer cases and deaths in China are the result of very tough police measures. Paid or free medicine has nothing to do with this.

                        Let's see in Russia. Sick - 4,78 million, deaths - 110 thousand. Total - 2,3% of deaths from the total number of cases.

                        So my example is more than convincing. And again you do not know what you are trying to argue about.
                      3. Dear sofa expert. 5 May 2021 13: 24
                        +1
                        Now let's take a closer look at the example.

                        We will consider it later, because you are again engaged in demagoguery inherent in you, and divert attention from the topic imposed by you.
                        Subject (your statement):

                        in the US, the population is more active than in Russia, flies to other countries, including Asia, which increases the likelihood of infection - therefore, increases the number of infected - therefore, increases the number of deaths

                        This example is weak, since it does not fit into the specific counterargument I have cited with an even more "sociable" China.

                        An example of the ratio of mortality to the number of diseases is also not convincing, since in the case of Russia, the higher (in percentage) mortality in relation to the number of diseases is due not to the worse quality of Russian insurance medicine, but, elementarily, by a large number of severe course of the disease, due to less percentage of those vaccinated. (Vaccines reduce the risk of severe illness, and with it mortality from it).

                        But your brain, these subtleties, apparently, are inaccessible.

                        As regards China, everything is even simpler and more banal here: China simply and unfortunately turned out to be a "pioneer". Until they figured out what was what, more than 4 thousand people managed to die. But in the end, they managed to take the epidemic under control. For which they have respect and respect, which cannot be said, about the always “beating itself with a heel in the chest”, but in fact, America, which turned out to be incapable of anything.
                      4. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 5 May 2021 14: 25
                        -2
                        This example is weak, since it does not fit into the specific counterargument I have cited with an even more "sociable" China.

                        So your "specific counterargument" about a more "sociable" China does not make sense, since it was in this country that the coronavirus appeared, and it was the Chinese who became its carrier around the world.

                        An example of the ratio of mortality to the number of diseases is also not convincing, since in the case of Russia, the higher (in percentage) mortality in relation to the number of diseases is due not to the worse quality of Russian insurance medicine, but, elementarily, by a large number of severe course of the disease, due to less percentage of those vaccinated. (Vaccines reduce the risk of severe illness, and with it mortality from it).

                        Vaccination is also part of medical care (prevention). And if in the United States, with its paid and supposedly inaccessible medicine, vaccination takes place on a large scale - therefore, it is more affordable for the population than in Russia with its free and supposedly affordable medicine. And this is taking into account the 2 times smaller population in Russia.

                        But your weak brain, these subtleties, apparently, are inaccessible (c) laughing

                        As regards China, everything is even simpler and more banal here: China simply and unfortunately turned out to be a "pioneer". Until they figured out what was what, more than 4 thousand people managed to die. But in the end, they managed to take the epidemic under control.

                        Yes - by means of total restriction, not medical assistance as such. Once again, this is an indicator of the effectiveness of the police / military systems of the state, not the health care system.

                        And this, of course, provided that we consider the Chinese data on the epidemic in China itself to be objective and truthful. In what there are big and very reasonable doubts. Especially given the much more overcrowded Chinese urban population compared to the US urban population.

                        what can not be said about the always “beating itself with a heel in the chest,” but in fact, America, which turned out to be incapable of anything.

                        And what were they supposed to be capable of? On the total pressure of the population to comply with quarantine measures? Do you even imagine the level of such pressure? You would be the first to howl from him, apply this in Russia or wherever you live there. And if the Chinese agree to such pressure in view of the peculiarities of their history (the patience of the Cultural Revolution alone is worth something), then the American population would simply make a blow to their own armed and police forces.
                      5. Dear sofa expert. 5 May 2021 15: 47
                        +2
                        So your "specific counterargument" about a more "sociable" China does not make sense, since it was in this country that the coronavirus appeared, and it was the Chinese who became its carrier around the world.

                        According to one version, yes: the coronavirus appeared in an American biolaboratory in Wuhan, China.
                        The rest, the fruit of your fevered imagination.

                        there are big and very reasonable doubts. Especially given the much more crowded Chinese urban population compared to the US urban population.

                        There are great doubts (with a high degree of probability - highley likely))) that it is in the United States that data on deaths are greatly underestimated. Indeed, according to the competent opinion of the "expert" named "Kyril":

                        the population of the United States much more often than in Russia goes to various social events, they have a much more developed service sector, etc. - therefore, there are more contacts between people, more infections, more deaths.

                        Or does the "expert" no longer insist on his own argument?)

                        And what were they supposed to be capable of?

                        I don’t know, this is their problem.
                        I can only see the fact: the United States lost more of its people in a year than in all the wars combined in which this country participated.

                        Even a lower percentage of deaths in relation to the number of cases, this fact does not greatly brighten up, against the background of the very (incomparable to the population) a huge number of cases, which is also off scale, in relation to many, even, as it were, much less developed, but also, densely populated countries.
                      6. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 6 May 2021 03: 28
                        -2
                        According to one version, yes: coronavirus appeared in the American biolaboratory in Wuhan, China.
                        The rest, the fruit of your fevered imagination.

                        Ummm ... I don't even know how to comment on this. It's good at least that the Reptilians were not dragged along.

                        Well, here's the official WHO opinion:

                        COVID-19 is a disease caused by a new coronavirus called SARS-CoV-2. WHO first became aware of this new virus WHO on 31 December 2019 with a group of cases of 'viral pneumonia' reported in Wuhan city, People's Republic of China.

                        About the fact that China has become a source country, there is. About the fact that it was an artificial virus developed in an American (!) Biolaboratory in China (!!) - no.

                        There are great doubts (with a high degree of probability - highley likely))) that it is in the United States that data on deaths are greatly underestimated. Indeed, according to the competent opinion of an "expert" named "Kyril"

                        Or does the "expert" no longer insist on his own argument?)

                        My argument is valid. There are indeed much more sick people in the United States (this is a fact) due to (one of the reasons) the greater social activity of the US population and a more developed service sector (these are also facts). I also talked about it.

                        But this does not mean in any way that statistics are underestimated in the United States.

                        Even a lower percentage of deaths in relation to the number of cases, this fact does not greatly brighten up, against the background of itself, (incomparable to the population) a huge number of cases, which is also off scale, in relation to many, even, as it were, much less developed, but also densely populated countries.

                        The huge number of cases may be due to better testing of the population, and not to the inefficiency of the medical system.
                        But the lower percentage of deaths in relation to the sick - yes, it just indicates that American health care is coping with treatment for covid better than Chinese or Russian.
                    2. Dear sofa expert. 5 May 2021 19: 58
                      +1
                      Vaccination is also part of medical care (prevention). And if in the United States, with its paid and supposedly inaccessible medicine, vaccination takes place on a large scale - therefore, it is more affordable for the population than in Russia with its free and supposedly affordable medicine. And this is taking into account the 2 times smaller population in Russia.

                      And then everything passed by.
                      Vaccination - yes, let it be as you like - “part of medical care” (although it has little to do with the level of medical service, and most importantly, with the ability of everyone to receive this service).

                      But the availability of a sufficient drug for vaccination is rather a question for the industry. Yes, the industry in the United States is powerful, but no matter how we are talking about it now.

                      And there is also - the desire of the people themselves to be vaccinated (and in Russia, for certain reasons, it is not high)

                      How is this related to the quality of medicine?

                      Although, however, it may just have: It is the faith of Russians in their medicine that makes them somewhat careless in relation to the threat of the disease, and this negatively affects their readiness to be vaccinated.

                      But for many Americans, the vaccine is, in general, almost the only chance to survive. The average American simply has no money to run around "on first suspicion" by doctors. And about their (not yet) insurance, you yourself, as you claim, know everything.
                    3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 6 May 2021 03: 53
                      -1
                      Vaccination - yes, let it be as you like - “part of medical care” (although it has little to do with the level of medical service, and most importantly, with the ability of everyone to receive this service).

                      Not "let it be," but "is." How does vaccination have little to do with the level and availability of health care?

                      Does the vaccine come running to you from the factory and injecting itself into your hand? Which of your rosy realities?

                      For vaccination you need:

                      The vaccines themselves - their quantity and quality depends on the production capacities of pharmaceutical companies, as well as on government spending on their purchase... It is not enough to produce vaccines - they still need to be bought. And this is already a medical budget.

                      Medical staff - it is he who injects vaccines so that you then do not have blood poisoning with an unsterilized needle and other delights of self-made treatment.

                      Vaccination sites are temporary and permanent locations.

                      Additional materials - syringes, antiseptics, etc. This is also included in the medical care.

                      All this is included in the concept of "availability and quality of medical care".

                      Writing and promulgating a law on affordable and free medical care is not the same as actually providing this most affordable and free medical care.

                      And there is also - the desire of the people themselves to be vaccinated (and in Russia, for certain reasons, it is not high)

                      How is this related to the quality of medicine?

                      Although, however, it may just have: It is the faith of Russians in their medicine that makes them somewhat careless in relation to the threat of the disease, and this negatively affects their readiness to be vaccinated.

                      I have not yet met a more wretched "argument" :))

                      The population is in no hurry to get vaccinated because they believe in Russian medicine

                      :) This is really funny.

                      First, if the population believes their medicine, as you claim, then they must also believe the official statements of this very medicine that vaccination is extremely important and necessary. If the population is in no hurry to get vaccinated, this means only one thing - they do not trust the position of their medicine.

                      Secondly, here are some specific data on the trust of the Russian population in Russian medicine:

                      https://tass.ru/obschestvo/4583735

                      MOSCOW, 22 September. / TASS /. Trust in doctors and the assessment of their position in society among Russians is decreasing, in 2017 these indicators were 36% and 32%, respectively. This is evidenced by the results of a poll published on Friday by the All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion (VTsIOM).

                      http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2019/0811/opros03.php

                      The public opinion poll conducted in April 2019 was devoted to the attitude of Russians to domestic health care, to assessing the trust in Russian medicine. As usual, 1500 Russians aged 18+ took part in it.

                      More than half (53%) survey participants believe that things in Russian healthcare are bad... A third of respondents (35%) consider the situation satisfactory, 7% is good.

                      https://medvestnik.ru/content/news/Pochti-polovina-rossiyan-nedovolna-situaciei-v-zdravoohranenii.html

                      Only 12% of those polled by VTsIOM positively assess the situation in Russian healthcare. Of these, 76% have applied for medical care in the last year. Such data were presented by Kirill Rodin, Director of Government Relations at VTsIOM, at the forum “Sociology of Health: Health Care Trusted” on November 12.

                      41% of the respondents are convinced that things in medicine are “bad” or “rather bad”, 45% rated it “satisfactory”.
      2. Dear sofa expert. 3 May 2021 12: 12
        +2
        How is global domination connected with deaths from the corona?) Here is the freezing of the construction of the Russian naval base in Sudan on the orders of the United States - wow, it is connected.

        Here you go .. To scare the "Sudans", this is the level of "domination" of the Americans.)
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 3 May 2021 14: 38
          -3
          So Russia can't even do that :)
      3. Dear sofa expert. 4 May 2021 01: 03
        +1
        Here is a freeze on the construction of a Russian naval base in Sudan by order of the United States - wow

        Even here, the "verb in the past tense" has been poorly done.)

        The Russian Embassy denied the suspension of the agreement on the establishment of a base in Sudan.
  • Dear sofa expert. 1 May 2021 23: 05
    +3
    Interestingly, in what specific statements of Navalny and his associates did the authorities find calls for the violent overthrow of the authorities?

    Hiley Likely, my "friend", Hiley Likely!

    You take it as an argument when it comes from those to whom you so obsequiously "serve".

    Well, don't betray your addictions. As the saying goes: Fabrikat verpflichtet.)
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 2 May 2021 08: 44
      -2
      Firstly, you do not know anything about my opinion regarding the Skripals, but you are already drawing conclusions, what I accept as an argument and what not.

      Secondly, do you think that the Russian authorities are no better than the British ones? OK. But what about "spirituality"?))
      1. Dear sofa expert. 2 May 2021 09: 56
        +2
        Secondly, do you think that the Russian authorities are no better than the British ones? OK. But what about "spirituality"?))

        Ah "dear friend".)
        Saying: To live with wolves, howl like a wolf, I hope you know?

        But in fact, they have been talking to "you" for a long time, in the only language you understand.

        They tried it differently, but it doesn't reach "you".

        To live with "you" according to the principle: turn the other cheek, it does not work. "You," immediately start looking for the third.)

        Here it is more suitable: tooth for tooth, and in the long term - tooth for future use. So that your frail brain could think at least two steps ahead.

        You will squeal about someone's spirituality when you have at least a little of your own.
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 3 May 2021 04: 41
          -2
          Saying: To live with wolves, howl like a wolf, I hope you know?

          Of course, it is known :) That is, all the principles of the "spirituality" type declared by Russia are just an appearance?) Principles - they either exist and you observe them independently of others, or they are not.

          No, it suits me, but then don't yell about some kind of "special role of Russia" and "Russian spirituality" :)
          1. Dear sofa expert. 3 May 2021 08: 06
            +3
            Of course, it is known :) That is, all the principles of the "spirituality" type declared by Russia are just an appearance?) Principles - they either exist and you observe them independently of others, or they are not.

            Oh, stop carrying your feeble-minded demagogy again.)

            Where are your own principles when you lovingly pour milk to your cat, and then ruthlessly kill the tick sitting on it?
            Or are you trying to spare the "civilian population", mercilessly destroying a soldier aiming at you, a representative from the same people?

            So, "spirituality", for which you, according to your bewilderment, are hooked - it is also selective.

            I will repeat once more: You will scream about someone's spirituality when you have at least a little of your own. When your idols will manifest it themselves, and not arrange "Hiroshima" around the world.

            In the meantime - with your "idols" you have to act like a "soldier aiming at you", and with you personally - like that "tick".
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 3 May 2021 14: 44
              -2
              Oh, stop carrying your feeble-minded demagogy again.)

              Don't be nervous, these are just comments on "Reporter", nobody scolds you :)

              Where are your own principles when you lovingly pour milk to your cat, and then ruthlessly kill the tick sitting on it?

              Well, if you have ticks, cats and humans are of equal importance ...

              Or are you trying to spare the "civilian population", mercilessly destroying a soldier aiming at you, a representative from the same people?

              Is someone aiming at you? O_o where? Who! Nobody is aiming at me. Well, except for a bunch of couch patriots like you :)

              So, "spirituality", for which you, according to your bewilderment, are hooked - it is also selective.

              That is, you, "highly spiritual", are no different from the "rotten Anglo-Saxons" :) Ok, it will suit me, that's what I'm talking about :)
              1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                Ulysses (Alexey) 3 May 2021 15: 07
                +1
                Don't be nervous

                You are nervous here.
                You are trying to carry nonsense, engage in sophistry.
                There is an indistinct bleating at the exit. request
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 3 May 2021 15: 12
                  -2
                  You are nervous here.

                  Nope :) I'm laughing.

                  You are trying to carry nonsense, engage in sophistry.

                  Yes, yes, yes, everything that does not fit into your pink world is all sophistry :)

                  There is an indistinct bleating at the exit.

                  You have - yes
                  1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                    Ulysses (Alexey) 3 May 2021 15: 29
                    +2
                    Nope :) I'm laughing.

                    Trying to put a good face on a bad game.

                    Typical cheating behavior, which you are definitely in my humble opinion.

                    Yes, yes, yes, everything that does not fit into your pink world is all sophistry:

                    My little world has a certain material and non-material content.
                    Yours consists of hard-to-hide pathological malice towards Russia.

                    It is interesting to read you and others like you in terms of mental disorders of personality and new forms of schizophrenia. smile
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 5 May 2021 12: 35
                      -1
                      My little world has a certain material and non-material content.

                      Even an amoeba has its own little world with material and non-material content :)

                      Yours consists of hard-to-hide pathological malice towards Russia.

                      I have no malice towards anyone, especially towards Russia. There is only contempt for leavened jingoistic patriots like you.

                      It is interesting to read you and others like you in terms of mental disorders of personality and new forms of schizophrenia.

                      Oh, another Kashpirovsky showed up :) Do you cooperate with Izofat on the basis of making diagnoses on the Internet with the absence of any specialized education?)
                    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                      Ulysses (Alexey) 5 May 2021 16: 00
                      0
                      I have no malice towards anyone, especially towards Russia. There is only contempt for leavened jingoistic patriots like you.

                      Fight fire with fire.
                      My contempt is against yours.
                      I do not like written-down Russophobes, no matter how they disguise themselves.
  • Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) April 30 2021 23: 16
    -9
    By order of the authorities of the Russian Federation --- neither name nor surname ...
  • Termit1309 Offline Termit1309
    Termit1309 (Alexander) 1 May 2021 00: 28
    +5
    It's funny. A bunch of mourners, who are not citizens of the Russian Federation, cry and whine. And he tells me to a citizen of this country how bad it is.
    So I'll tell you - THIS IS GREAT NEWS. It's just some kind of holiday!
    1. Hail gord Offline Hail gord
      Hail gord (Hail Gord) 30 May 2021 11: 24
      -1
      who whines? there are more members in this bunch than there are people in your city. and 99% Russians
  • Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 1 May 2021 00: 37
    -2
    The forum is slowly but surely becoming Israeli from a Russian one. Fine..
    Shalom guys!
    Have us here +10, rain, like in the Promised One?
    1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 1 May 2021 01: 29
      -3
      Just now I read it on the Vesti website, there is a terrible tragedy in Israel, people have died, including children!
      Most sincere condolences !!!
  • George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) 1 May 2021 11: 40
    +1
    You are on the right path, comrades!
    Stalin's "repression"? Not! Fight against the enemies of Russia!


    Judah probably had children. And I know where their descendants live.

    1. Astronaut Offline Astronaut
      Astronaut (San Sanych) 1 May 2021 16: 03
      +3
      this is such a perdimonocle

    2. Hail gord Offline Hail gord
      Hail gord (Hail Gord) 30 May 2021 11: 22
      -1
      you can see an attempt by a local deputy to find someone's ass for a prize
  • Astronaut Offline Astronaut
    Astronaut (San Sanych) 1 May 2021 15: 59
    +2
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    And can you link where he calls for this?

    Have you been banned from Google?
  • Alexey Sychev Offline Alexey Sychev
    Alexey Sychev (Alexey Sychev) 7 May 2021 17: 00
    -1
    Putin had a chance to escape - it was to support the people of Belarus, but apparently he decided to lose, his choice
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 7 May 2021 17: 29
      -1
      V.V. Putin supported the people of Belarus. Shalom, Alexey Sychev. laughing
  • Hail gord Offline Hail gord
    Hail gord (Hail Gord) 30 May 2021 11: 21
    -1
    In a time of universal lies, telling the truth is extremism

    - Jorwell (1984)