The media spoke about the likely response of Turkey to the US recognition of the Armenian genocide

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After US President Joe Biden сообщил on the recognition of the Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire, and the Turkish policy began to make various harsh but promising statements, the West began to wonder what the likely response of official Ankara might be. For example, analysts of the Bloomberg agency think that Turkey may “freeze” or even terminate some bilateral agreements with the Americans, especially those that have been “lame” recently.

In particular, we are talking about an agreement that refers to a partnership in the field of defense and economics... This document was adopted over 40 years ago. Washington pledged to support Ankara in the development of the Turkish army and industry. Now the Turks cannot even get paid F-35s.

The emotional Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has not yet publicly spread on this topic, since he can denounce this or that treaty only with the consent of the parliament. However, the echoes of intra-office discussions have already swept over the already agitated local media. The Turkish Foreign Ministry called Biden's words "interfering and negatively affecting" the bilateral relations of NATO allies.

Ankara has always recognized the fact of mass deaths of Armenians, but it categorically objects to the use of the term "genocide". In Turkey, they believe that the Armenians died as a result of the civil war that raged in the country, and not because of the intentional actions of the government. According to various estimates, in the period 1915-1922, from 600 thousand to 1,5 million Armenians died.

All previous US presidents tried to avoid using the word "genocide", but in 2019 the US Congress recognized the Armenian genocide. Biden's words were welcomed in Yerevan.

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Dukhskrepny

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April 27 2021 12: 13

The Turkish authorities need to expel from the country the citizens of Armenia - illegal immigrants (from 50 thousand to 80 thousand people), and the Armenians to repent of their crimes and stop groveling and begging
Dukhskrepny

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April 27 2021 12: 16

The Armenian Genocide has not been recognized by any court in the world, including the International Tribunal in The Hague, which determines the fact of "genocide"
1. Hayer31
  
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  April 27 2021 15: 47
  
  Yes, the Baku International Court too, which means ??
  1. Dukhskrepny
    
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    April 27 2021 15: 48
    
    From the point of view of international law, there is a Convention on the Prevention of Genocide, signed, inter alia, by Armenia and Russia. It indicates who has the right to recognize the crime as genocide - this is the court in The Hague, and only he.
Bulanov

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April 27 2021 13: 12

Biden took the first step. As a second step, he can try to eliminate Erdogan, as they were going to do with Lukashenka.
Alexzn

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April 27 2021 13: 59

Quote: Spiritual
The Armenian Genocide has not been recognized by any court in the world, including the International Tribunal in The Hague, which determines the fact of "genocide"

Defines a fact? Something new! There was no Holocaust, there was no extermination of the Slavs in WWII, because the International Court of Justice in The Hague did not define all this as genocide. How simple it is!
The genocide, it turns out, must be recognized by the court and necessarily in The Hague (!!!), the decision of the legislative bodies of the states is no longer satisfied.
1. isofat
  
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  April 27 2021 14: 22
  
  Comparison of the number of Jews in Europe before and after the war, carried out in 1949 World Jewish Congress, led to the conclusion that the death toll in the Holocaust is six million.
  
  Alexzn, is the number of victims a fact?
  
  PS What do you call a disaster, the Holocaust or the genocide?
2. Dukhskrepny
  
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  April 27 2021 15: 51
  
  Each state can recognize a lot of things. Many states have claims against each other. Armenian terrorism has not yet been canceled.
Alexzn

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April 27 2021 14: 38

Quote: isofat
A comparison of the number of Jews in Europe before and after the war, carried out in 1949 by the World Jewish Congress, led to the conclusion that the death toll in the Holocaust was six million.

It's not that simple, statistics don't work that way. There is no exact number of Jews killed during the Holocaust. The generally accepted figure - six million - is named by Adolf Eichmann, one of the highest ranks of the SS. Most researchers are inclined to believe that the number of victims ranges between five and six million. The very first calculations start at 5,1 million (Professor Raoul Hilberg) and go up to 5.95 million (Yakov Leshchinsky). More recent studies by Prof. Israel Gutman and Dr. Robert Rosett, published in The Holocaust Encyclopedia, estimate the loss of the Jewish people at 5.59 to 5.85 million, while studies led by Dr. Wolfgang Benz indicate numbers between 5.39 and 6 million.
1. isofat
  
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  April 27 2021 14: 58
  
  Quote: AlexZN
  The generally accepted figure - six million - is named by Adolf Eichmann, one of the highest ranks of the SS.
  
  Who was caught in 1960 by Israeli intelligence agents "Mossad", taken to Israel and executed there?
2. Dukhskrepny
  
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  April 27 2021 15: 43
  
  Most are leaning towards the figure from 500 thousand to 1,5 million
Alexzn

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April 27 2021 14: 41

Quote: isofat
What do you call a disaster, the Holocaust or the genocide?

The genocide of the Jews is usually called the Holocaust. In Hebrew, the word Shoah (Catastrophe) is accepted.
1. isofat
  
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  April 27 2021 15: 05
  
  Alexzn... Genocide, it was this definition that figured from the very beginning. Then came the term Holocaust, why? What is written there, in the Torah, is it written about the Holocaust?
2. isofat
  
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  April 27 2021 15: 51
  
  Quote: AlexZN
  In Hebrew, the word Shoah is accepted
  
  Shoah ... Shola ... Hola ... Holacaust?
Dukhskrepny

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April 27 2021 15: 42

Quote: AlexZN
Quote: Spiritual
The Armenian Genocide has not been recognized by any court in the world, including the International Tribunal in The Hague, which determines the fact of "genocide"

Defines a fact? Something new! There was no Holocaust, there was no extermination of the Slavs in WWII, because the International Court of Justice in The Hague did not define all this as genocide. How simple it is!
The genocide, it turns out, must be recognized by the court and necessarily in The Hague (!!!), the decision of the legislative bodies of the states is no longer satisfied.

Resolution 260 (III) of the UN General Assembly of December 9, 1948 approved the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which defines and recognizes genocide (as well as attempted genocide, public calls for it, complicity in genocide and conspiracy with the purpose of genocide) an international crime, whether committed in peacetime or wartime, by a private, official or government. With regard to the extradition of perpetrators, genocide is not considered a political crime and the perpetrators should not be granted political asylum.

Persons accused of committing genocide must be tried by the competent court of the state in whose territory the act was committed, or by an international criminal court, provided that it has jurisdiction over the parties. Since 1998, the International Criminal Court in The Hague has been the international criminal justice body responsible for prosecuting those responsible for genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and military aggression.
Dukhskrepny

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April 27 2021 15: 47

Quote: AlexZN
Quote: Spiritual
The Armenian Genocide has not been recognized by any court in the world, including the International Tribunal in The Hague, which determines the fact of "genocide"

Defines a fact? Something new! There was no Holocaust, there was no extermination of the Slavs in WWII, because the International Court of Justice in The Hague did not define all this as genocide. How simple it is!
The genocide, it turns out, must be recognized by the court and necessarily in The Hague (!!!), the decision of the legislative bodies of the states is no longer satisfied.

From the point of view of international law, there is a Convention on the Prevention of Genocide, signed, inter alia, by Armenia and Russia. It indicates who has the right to recognize the crime as genocide - this is the court in The Hague, and only he.
Dukhskrepny

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April 27 2021 15: 48

Quote: Hayer31
Yes, the Baku International Court too, which means ??

Yerevan court is fake
Dukhskrepny

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April 27 2021 15: 54

The European Court of Justice in Strasbourg in October 2017 did not recognize the "Armenian genocide" as a historical fact, calling it only "an opinion, the prohibition of challenging which is itself a violation of human rights."
Dukhskrepny

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April 27 2021 16: 02

Taking advantage of the opportunities provided to them, the Armenians were able to take control of the entire land trade of Asian Turkey, concentrate in their hands significant money turnover, minting coins. They owned large gunpowder, iron, mechanical, cloth, silk-processing factories and factories, jewelry workshops. Throughout Ottoman history, 29 pashas, 22 ministers, 33 deputies, 7 ambassadors, 11 general consuls and consuls, 41 high-ranking officials came out of the Armenians. In the government, they served as ministers of the interior, finance, trade, and post offices. At the end of the XIX century. the leaders of the Ottoman intelligence and gendarmerie were the Armenians - Artashek and Adisi Tigran.

Thus, the Armenians occupied a strong position not only in the economy of the Ottoman Empire, but also had access to a number of top positions.
Petr Vladimirovich

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April 27 2021 16: 35

19 comments, 10 of them are colleagues from Baku ... OK ...
Alexzn

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April 27 2021 16: 46

Quote: Spiritual
Each state can recognize a lot of things. Many states have claims against each other. Armenian terrorism has not yet been canceled.

What is the connection?
Alexzn

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April 27 2021 16: 50

Quote: Spiritual
Resolution 260 (III) of the UN General Assembly of December 9, 1948 approved the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Was the Armenian genocide in 1949? Are the events that occurred before the creation of the court within the competence of the court? Maybe we will blame the UN for not preventing the Armenian genocide.
Think about what you write. Although what am I talking about.
Alexzn

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April 27 2021 16: 56

Quote: Spiritual
From the point of view of international law, there is a Convention on the Prevention of Genocide, signed, inter alia, by Armenia and Russia. It indicates who has the right to recognize the crime as genocide - this is the court in The Hague, and only he.

RF has recognized the fact of the Armenian genocide! Bliiiiin, had no right! She's not in The Hague!
1. isofat
  
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  April 27 2021 17: 07
  
  AlexznThe United States recognized the Armenian Holocaust, but Turkey considers it illegal. Does this mean that the US covered Turkey earlier?
Alexzn

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April 27 2021 17: 20

Quote: isofat
AlexznThe United States recognized the Armenian Holocaust, but Turkey considers it illegal. Does this mean that the US covered Turkey earlier?

The fact has been recognized in the academic environment for a long time and is not disputed at a serious level (only in Turkey and Azerbaijan), at the state level, most of the leading countries have recognized it. Recognition was often hampered for political reasons, but this is common knowledge.
The recognition has no judicial prospects, it is about historical justice.
Dukhskrepny

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April 27 2021 18: 49

Quote: AlexZN
Quote: Spiritual
Resolution 260 (III) of the UN General Assembly of December 9, 1948 approved the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Was the Armenian genocide in 1949? Are the events that occurred before the creation of the court within the competence of the court? Maybe we will blame the UN for not preventing the Armenian genocide.
Think about what you write. Although what am I talking about.

In 1920, there was a Maltese court that did not recognize the genocide In 1920, the British occupation authorities in Istanbul, on an Armenian tip, arrested 144 people as the main culprits in the Armenian genocide. A year before that, namely in 1919, a certain Aram Andonian published a book in which incriminating documents were collected - telegrams from Talaat Pasha, proving the irrefutable guilt of the Turkish authorities in organizing the genocide. This book has been widely distributed in many countries in massive print runs. A year later, a trial took place in Malta, which did not find a single document proving the guilt of those arrested, despite the fact that the judges already had Andonian's book at hand, which was recognized as a gross forgery. By the way, Andonyan never presented a single original of Talaat Pasha's telegrams, saying that they were lost. The prosecutor's office announced the termination of the proceedings on the basis that not a single document was presented proving the guilt of the prisoners, and this at a time when all the archives of the empire were in the hands of the British and all the witnesses of the so-called genocide were alive. It should be noted that the British Foreign Office conducted its own investigation, which led to the conclusion that Andonian's "telegrams" were fake.
Dukhskrepny

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April 27 2021 18: 56

Quote: AlexZN
Quote: Spiritual
Each state can recognize a lot of things. Many states have claims against each other. Armenian terrorism has not yet been canceled.

What is the connection?

There are hundreds of valid documents, not falsifications, including the charter of the extremely Nazi Dashnaktsutyun party, which denounces Armenians for organizing massacres and ethnic cleansing in Turkey and Azerbaijan, or even far from Armenia, Turkestan. It is the Nazis from "Dashnaktsutyun", having made the entire Armenian people hostage for the sake of the extravagant idea of building a chimerical state "Great Armenia", and are the main culprits in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people on the territory of Turkey and Azerbaijan. Armenian nationalists, taking advantage of the plight of the Turkish army at the fronts and having received weapons from the Russians, began to exterminate the civilian population in the territory intended for the "Great Armenia". The ethnic cleansing undertaken by the Armenians in the rear was notable for particular cruelty, the wells were thrown with corpses so that people no longer even thought about returning to their villages. To prevent a military defeat, the Turkish authorities had no choice but to begin the eviction of the Armenians in order to secure the rear on the eve of the advancing Russian army. Columns of the now unarmed Armenians being expelled walked through the territory where the population had fled earlier, fleeing from the Armenian militants, and something happened that could not but happen. Evil begat evil. This was a spontaneous revenge of people, many of whom lost their loved ones, and it is groundless to take it for the beating of Armenians specially organized by the authorities. It should be noted that a large number of Armenians living in Istanbul were not affected by any genocide, which irrefutably testifies to the failure of the genocide planned by the Turkish government. It is because of these circumstances that the Armenian guardians of the genocide fear like the fire of the trial and continue to sow lies in the hope of persuading the world community to their side.
Dukhskrepny

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April 27 2021 19: 00

Quote: AlexZN
Quote: Spiritual
Resolution 260 (III) of the UN General Assembly of December 9, 1948 approved the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Was the Armenian genocide in 1949? Are the events that occurred before the creation of the court within the competence of the court? Maybe we will blame the UN for not preventing the Armenian genocide.
Think about what you write. Although what am I talking about.

Maybe you need to think before you write? Why Armenians were denied recognition of the genocide in 2 courts! Why did they go to court in Strasbourg in 2013, and after 1949 they cannot go to The Hague? After all, Turkey and Armenia signed the Genocide Convention? Apparently not so "white and fluffy" Armenians?
Dukhskrepny

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April 27 2021 19: 02

Quote: AlexZN
Quote: isofat
AlexznThe United States recognized the Armenian Holocaust, but Turkey considers it illegal. Does this mean that the US covered Turkey earlier?

The fact has been recognized in the academic environment for a long time and is not disputed at a serious level (only in Turkey and Azerbaijan), at the state level, most of the leading countries have recognized it. Recognition was often hampered for political reasons, but this is common knowledge.
The recognition has no judicial prospects, it is about historical justice.

Only some of the countries have been recognized. This is an ordinary speculation on a political moment.
Dukhskrepny

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April 27 2021 19: 04

Quote: Petr Vladimirovich
19 comments, 10 of them are colleagues from Baku ... OK ...

Where did they get that from Baku? Or is the whole of Russia now to tear the hair on its head because of the alleged genocide of Armenians? Something all of Russia did not run into the trenches a few months ago to fight for fake Artsakh
1. Petr Vladimirovich
  
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  April 27 2021 19: 21
  
  Okay, from Moscow, as you say ...
  And where do we run, or not run, we will somehow decide for ourselves, can we?