Why Russia is leaving the ISS project


So it happened. In Moscow, on Cosmonautics Day, a fundamental decision was made to leave the ISS and build for Russia its own national orbital station. Why did this decision take place right now, and how might our Mir-2 look like?


Let us recall that before participating in the project of the international space station, Russia had its own multi-module research manned station "Mir". It was launched into orbit in 1986, and during this period of time it was visited by 28 expeditions with astronauts from 12 countries, who together set several records and over 23 thousand scientific experiments. The Soviet-Russian space station even featured in several foreign films and cartoons, becoming part of mass culture. "Mir" was drowned in the Pacific Ocean in 2001, the officially declared reason was its obsolescence and lack of funds to maintain it in a functional state.

Mir was replaced by the International Space Station project, in which 14 countries participate jointly. It is quite symbolic that the first module of the ISS was our Zarya, launched into orbit by the Proton-K launch vehicle, and the American Unity - only the second. Today, the United States has the largest segment in the station and bears the brunt of the financial costs of maintaining it. Despite its venerable age, the service life of the ISS can be extended until 2030. But why are both Washington and Moscow now looking in different directions?

At first, the factor of general depreciation of the station cannot be ignored. Breakdowns of varying degrees of complexity appear constantly, and there are forecasts that by 2025 their number will increase like an avalanche. It is, of course, possible to remove them and repair them, but it is very expensive, and the main sponsor of the project, the USA, is no longer very interesting.

SecondlyWashington is interested in implementing its own project called the Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway (LOP-G). Unlike the ISS, this station will be in orbit not on the Earth, but on the Moon, and will become visited. It should become a "jump launch site" for American missions to an earth satellite, as well as a transshipment base for flights to Mars, to the asteroid belt and into deep space. The project is very promising and formally international. However, its "instigator", the United States, gathered under its wing only the most loyal allies, not allowing China there and making it clear to Moscow that Russia has a place in LOP-G only in secondary roles.

ThirdlyAfter being left behind the Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway and facing the prospect of being left without the ISS, Russia was forced to seriously think about creating its own "gateway to space", otherwise we could wake up already at a broken trough. And it’s very good that they didn’t pull too long with this. The fact is that the structures of Roskosmos just a few years ago stopped developing new modules for the ISS. Had a dozen or one and a half more pass them, we would probably have lost experience and competence in this area due to the change of generations among the designers. According to the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin, RSC Energia has begun work on the first basic module of the new Russian space station, which should be ready by 2025.

So how can our national station look and form?

Roscosmos said earlier that the orbital station will consist of five modules that were previously intended for the international space station. At the same time, it will be higher than the ISS, and rotated at a more convenient angle to the Earth. This will be done, as Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov explained, for better observation:

This will allow us to see the Russian territory as much as possible and especially, which is very important, the polar regions, and this is also connected with the development of the Northern Sea Route.

In general, it is clear that the new orbital service station is entrusted not only with research tasks, but also with reconnaissance. Apparently, Roscosmos does not intend to limit itself to this only. It is reported that at the same time we will develop a project of a transport and energy complex with a nuclear power propulsion system for flights into deep space. Apparently, the work of this "nuclear-powered tugboat" to pull cargo between the orbits of the Earth and the Moon will be directly linked to the presence of Russia's own "gates to space".

Now, with regard to the national status of the new space station. The Kremlin believes that our country is capable of implementing this project on its own, but we are ready to consider the participation of other partners as well. That is, the station may in fact become international, but we will play the first violin, as Americans with our circumlunar project.
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  1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) April 20 2021 19: 01
    -7
    I love the plans of our bulk ...

    Housing and salaries for all our citizens are normal, gasification of the whole country, paved roads to all settlements, hospital wards for two beds with a shower and toilet are everywhere ...
    Well, what is needed for complete happiness? That's right, the orbital station ...
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) April 20 2021 19: 22
      +4
      You yourself do not understand how right you are! And no sarcasm is needed - the salary allows you to have modern office equipment and a car (not a Zhiguli). Hospital wards are being renovated, thieves are imprisoned (not enough, of course), gasification is in full swing (I know what I'm talking about), roads and fools are a separate issue. And a complete gesheft happens only in the morgue ... Otherwise, we can wake up with songs: - "The sun rises and sets, but it is warm in our pigsty." And the starry sky and the moral law inside will not be for us ... Something like that. IMHO.
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) April 20 2021 19: 49
        +4
        With your lips, dear Andrey, but drink honey!
        I am glad that there is a colleague who agrees that first you need to do everything humanly on earth, and then you can go to Mars, so that the apple trees bloom there ... drinks
      2. Pivander Offline Pivander
        Pivander (Alex) April 20 2021 19: 53
        +11
        Everything is correct. 98 percent of EU countries do not even dream of what you have just said. Born in debt and died in debt. I'm telling you straight from here - Latvia (a parody of the EU, but official). EU has traveled all over. Only Spain and Portugal, Spaniards and Portuguese are adequate. The Italians are nothing like that, only strongly corrupt.

        P.S. UK in general, 70 percent of the market is for individuals, used goods and delays like Hello.
      3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 20 2021 22: 44
        +8
        On account of the fact that someone out there can afford something to drive less. My wife is an engineer, I am an employee of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, family incomes are not the lowest in the region. We are not driving new Zhiguli, Grant's model, but the rise in prices for food, which has almost doubled in price over the past 3 years, despite the fact that family income has not increased, is starting to seriously hit the budget. At such a pace, people will start going to shops like a museum, and all because the desire to lead a number of people outstrips their mental abilities. To report that the Russian Federation began to earn a lot on the sale of products abroad, with such a rise in prices inside the country, this is stupidity that will lead to the genocide of the population of the Russian Federation ... on whom this country rests.
        1. Oder Offline Oder
          Oder (Wojciech) April 22 2021 11: 12
          -1
          This is the price you have to pay if you want to belong to the Empire.
          1. bear040 Offline bear040
            bear040 April 22 2021 21: 33
            +4
            Where does the empire come from ?! An empire is good when it lives at the expense of the colonies, and when the colonies live at the expense of the empire, it is no longer an empire, but a madhouse
    2. jekasimf Offline jekasimf
      jekasimf (jekasimf) April 21 2021 09: 23
      -1
      Well, of course! Why develop science, why create new weapons, and a trailer, new technologies. Back in the 90s, the West decided that no more than 15 million people should live in Russia. Field service ... And, of course, venal types talking about pregnant retirees who need to be given everything.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 21 2021 09: 57
        -3
        Quote: jekasimf
        Back in the 90s, the West decided that no more than 15 million people should live in Russia. Field service ...

        Who said that? It's a lie.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 10: 56
          +1
          After the English fakes, I stopped trusting their applicants. I don’t believe in your objectivity either, Mr. Oleg Rambover... Remember how I had to prove to you that the official date of the statehood of Russia is 862 year. laughing

          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 21 2021 13: 47
            -5
            But you believe in the objectivity of RenTV, that's enough. They probably also broadcast about reptilians there. Do you believe in them too?



            This fake has been exposed more than once, Thatcher never said that. For the first time it was attributed to it by Andrey Parshev in his book "Why Russia is not America", where he got it from is unknown, nobody managed to find such speeches in the primary sources.

            Quote: isofat
            Remember how I had to prove to you that the official date of the statehood of Russia is 862.

            I remember that the arguments were rudeness and the inscription on the monument. You called the rector of St. Petersburg University (still tsarist) and the academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences rugoli (or something like that) because their opinion did not coincide with yours.
            In this question, start with something as simple as a wiki.

            The Russian (centralized) state (also the Russian kingdom (officially from 1547), Russia (officially from 1654) [1]) is a state formation of the late 2th - early XNUMXth centuries [XNUMX], which emerged as a result of the unification of the northeastern Russian principalities at the end of the XNUMXth century, during the reign of the Grand Duke of Moscow Ivan III.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 15: 33
              +3


              The anniversary of the birth of Russian statehood was celebrated in Veliky Novgorod. The starting point is considered 862 year, which means the country has crossed the 1157th anniversary.

              Quote: Oleg Rambover
              I remember that the arguments were rudeness and the inscription on the monument.

              I am not rude to you both then and now, and I suggest you watch the video. Look, listen to the official point of view on the date of the birth of our statehood.


              PS Your quote, taken out of context, surprisingly does not contain any statements. laughing Just like then, you have not changed.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 21 2021 17: 14
                -3
                Quote: isofat
                The anniversary of the birth of Russian statehood was celebrated in Veliky Novgorod. The starting point is considered to be 862, which means that the country has crossed the 1157th anniversary.

                Why in a historical dispute you bring a video from the meeting of the Duma of the Novgorod region? Do you consider reporting from a provincial TV channel an argument? This is probably a little better than RenTV, but not much.
                There are no reliable sources about that period of history, and the argument in the form of a council meeting is generally ridiculous.
                If we are arguing about history, then it is logical to cite the opinion of historians.

                Quote: isofat
                I am not rude to you both then and now, and I suggest you watch the video. Look, listen to the official point of view on the date of the birth of our statehood.

                Since when did some fake "St. Petersburg University of Management and Economics Technologies" (what is this?) Become the official point of view (by the way, whose point of view)?
                Only the opinion of professional historians can be an argument.

                Quote: isofat
                PS Your quote, taken out of context, surprisingly does not contain any statements. Just like then, you have not changed.

                From what context? This is the title of the article.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 18: 13
                  +4
                  Oleg Rambover, I do not argue with you. I am telling you the official point of view of the Russian Federation on this historical date, September 21, 862 - the date of the statehood of Russia. And I am citing a video, any one that sets out the official point of view of our state on this date, September 21, 862.

                  Historical science and our history are behind this date. Once upon a time you stated:


                  That's when I noticed to you that you are wrong. Now you know the date, guess, I hope that there was more than one center of origin. A photo of the monument, still tsarist times, was provided to you, as well as a link to the monument to the millennium of Russia, the date itself was substantiated by tsarist historians.

                  Why do you propose to me to consider one of the periods of our history?
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 21 2021 20: 56
                    -4
                    And what happened on September 21, 862? And the holiday is called a day inception Russian statehood. Not birth, not creation, not education, but generation. And you did not give the opinion of historians. And historians have reached a consensus that the founder of the Russian state, Ivan III.
                    1. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 21: 57
                      +4
                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      And historians have reached a consensus that the founder of the Russian state, Ivan III.

                      Oleg Rambover, take it easy, Mr. Liberal, the founder of the USSR, as an example, can be called V.I. Lenin, or the Bolsheviks. Our Russia did not immediately become an empire either. Each historical period bears its own name among historians. The Russian state, as a historical concept, quite naturally, has its own time boundaries, founder and name. Don't worry, the history of the country can be divided into about seven periods.

                      Since you do not want to end the conversation, I will share information on the European University at St. Petersburg. He, the university, is not a state one, but exists thanks to foundations. One of the funds that finance the work of this educational institution, Soros Foundation... It is there that Mikhail Markovich Krom teaches. He has titles, only he is not a rector. And the university, just located in St. Petersburg, was founded in 1994, during perestroika. laughing
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 22 2021 00: 44
                        -2
                        Soviet Russia was the legal successor of the Russian Empire. Whose legal successor was the Russian state of Ivan III?

                        Quote: isofat
                        Since you do not want to end the conversation, I will share information on the European University at St. Petersburg. He, the university, is not a state one, but exists thanks to foundations. One of the funds that finance the work of this educational institution, the Soros Foundation. It is there that Mikhail Markovich Krom teaches. He has titles, only he is not a rector. And the university, just located in St. Petersburg, was founded in 1994, during perestroika.

                        Why are you doing this?
                      2. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) April 22 2021 01: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        Whose legal successor was the Russian state of Ivan III?

                        Find and sort it out yourself. I do not know which concept of succession interests you. Legally, the USSR was not the legal successor of tsarist Russia, Lenin refused to pay external debts. But this is a different legal succession, not historical. Historical succession has not suffered.

                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        Why are you doing this?

                        This I mean that there is no need to encroach on our History.
                      3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 22 2021 01: 48
                        -2
                        Quote: isofat
                        Find and sort it out yourself. I do not know which concept of succession interests you. Legally, the USSR was not the legal successor of tsarist Russia, Lenin refused to pay external debts. But this is a different legal succession, not historical. Historical succession has not suffered.

                        Some kind of dancing in the pan to begin. Soviet Russia is the legal successor of the Russian Empire, the subjects of the Ingush Republic became citizens of the USSR, the property of the elites of the Republic of Ingushetia became the property of the USSR, the cultural space of the Republic of Ingushetia became the cultural space of the USSR. The USSR is the legal successor of RI. Whose successor is the Russian state of Ivan III? This is a simple question, you are not able to answer it?

                        Quote: isofat
                        This I mean that there is no need to encroach on our History.

                        What do you care about history? You study it on RenTV, but there is no history, there is nonsense.
                      4. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) April 22 2021 13: 41
                        +2
                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        You study it on RenTV, but there is no history, there is nonsense.

                        First, you will get acquainted with the issue of succession. This is not a trivial question at all.


                        This is not my Vienne, that you find it difficult to understand me. laughing
                      5. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 22 2021 23: 51
                        -3
                        What is legal admissibility in the 21th century? What are you talking about? I didn't ask in a legal sense. What was the name of the Russian state, the statehood of which was formed on September 862, XNUMX, which was replaced by the Russian state of Ivan III?
                      6. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) April 23 2021 00: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        Soviet Russia was the legal successor of the Russian Empire.

                        Look please on the picture a little higher. Especially for your level of development, I was not too lazy. Do you not notice that your words contradict what is depicted?

                        Nice, goodbye. I just didn't have enough sick in the head. I need a break from you, do not consider it rudeness. hi
                      7. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 23 2021 09: 04
                        -3
                        You didn’t last long. I asked a simple question, which state was the predecessor of the Russian state of Ivan III, for some reason you brought Lenin, the USSR here, the question of legal admissibility, and finally began to be rude.
                        It is not interesting to argue with you, your knowledge is zero, zero. Your arguments are miserable (some noises in the microphones are worth something). And you quickly run out of these miserable arguments and you go over to rudeness. And the rudeness is the same wretched and boring. How does your wife put up with you?
                        And yes, the only thing we can agree with you

                        Quote: isofat
                        the dumber a person is, the faster he condescends to insults.

                        Here you gave yourself an exhaustive description.

                      8. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) April 23 2021 14: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        You didn’t last long. I asked a simple question, which state was the predecessor of the Russian state of Ivan III, for some reason you brought Lenin, the USSR here, the question of legal admissibility, and finally began to be rude.

                        You've sunk to an outright lie, this is how your question looked like:


                        And here is my answer to you:

                        Quote: isofat
                        Find and sort it out yourself. I do not know which concept of succession interests you. Legally, the USSR was not the legal successor of tsarist Russia, Lenin refused to pay external debts.

                        Stop lying already. laughing hi
                      9. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) April 23 2021 15: 29
                        +1
                        PS The predecessor and the assignee are not the same, although they start with the same letter. laughing
                        Your illiteracy is clearly visible, for this it is enough to read our comments carefully. hi
  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 15: 51
    +2
    And this is news from Ren TV - laughing , so what?



    In my opinion, you simply have nothing to argue with me. love
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 21 2021 17: 21
      -3
      Some kind of nonsense. What should I object to? There is NO proof that Thatcher said something like that! In the film RenTV, this evidence is also NOT! On RenTV in all seriousness they talked about reptilians and telegonia. Do you believe that too?
      PS In a decent society, refer to RenTV as a zashkvar.
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 18: 24
        +2
        Oleg Rambover, you posted a video from REN-TV, I don't know what this genre is called. Apparently he had to convince me that everyone is lying on the channel, I demonstrated in response that you are wrong - not everything. laughing
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 21 2021 18: 25
          -2
          They lie about Thatcher.
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 18: 32
            +3
            Oleg Rambover, you can believe, but I believe in Great Britain much less than REN-TV. yes At least, I admit that this could very well have happened at a closed gathering.

            There was a case, once in the rest house "Pokrovskoe", near Moscow, he became an involuntary listener to Chubais's speeches. In an informal setting, everything could be.
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 21 2021 20: 47
              -3
              Quote: isofat
              Oleg Rambover, you can believe, but I believe in Great Britain much less than REN-TV. At least, I admit that this could very well have happened at a closed gathering.

              If this is a question of faith for you, then what is the question. You are free to believe in anything, even the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or that Thatcher was going to exterminate the Russians. For me, this is not a question of faith, but a question of history, facts. There is not a single proof that she said something like that to someone else. And if you think a little, then even theoretically I could not say this publicly.
            2. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 21: 23
              +2
              Quote: Oleg Rambover
              If this is a question of faith for you, then what is the question.

              Oleg Rambover, it is not a matter of faith. I think you noticed there was a tape of what Thatcher said. This recording has been heard. At a closed meeting, a recording was made ... The British often refer to their intelligence data, make statements with a high degree of probability, etc.

              Therefore, excuse me, but I have good reason to trust the published information. We will assume that this is a worldwide practice. yes

              PS Not so long ago, they were shaking Navalny's videos on the site, your attitude to that information was not so critical. Do not be offended, and do not consider it an insult, but do not pretend to be a squirrel. Well, in general, do you understand? hi
            3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 21 2021 21: 36
              -3
              Quote: isofat
              I think you noticed there was a tape of what Thatcher said. This recording has been heard. At a closed meeting, a recording was made ... The British often refer to their intelligence data, make statements with a high degree of probability, etc.

              So where is this entry? Can I listen?

              Quote: isofat
              Not so long ago, they were shaking Navalny's videos on the site, your attitude to that information was not so critical. Do not be offended, and do not consider it an insult, but do not pretend to be a squirrel. Well, in general, do you understand?

              Certainly not so critical, because you can find confirmation from other sources, for example, you yourself can find that there is an unmanned zone. According to Thatcher, there is NOTHING. Only faith.
            4. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 22: 15
              +1
              Oleg Ramboverwhy are you offended? Most importantly, there is a record! This kind of information is never recognized. We all know for a long time how their experts do their expertise. This information was announced so that the enemy would know that his plans are not at all a secret for us! laughing
            5. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 22 2021 00: 40
              -1
              Some kind of nonsense. What information, where is this recording, who heard it? Some kind of conspiracy theory. And we know that all conspiracy theories are not worth a penny. In fact, except for Andrey Parshev, no one has heard this recording and, accordingly, with almost 100% probability, this recording exists only in his head. And you are left with nothing unjustified belief that Thatcher said that.
            6. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) April 22 2021 01: 35
              +1
              Oleg Rambover... Who, then, will give you a record, where by the level of the noise of the exchange of replicas or other noises of those present, there is a probability of detecting the position of the recorder himself?

              Do you now know what Thatcher said? It is known. Believe it or not, you are not forced. love
            7. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 22 2021 01: 54
              -2
              Do you drink or what? Are you making this stuff up yourself? I know Thatcher didn't say that. It is not clear what your faith is based on. You could not give any arguments proving the reliability of these words from the word at all.
            8. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) April 22 2021 13: 57
              +2

              Oleg Rambover, you are a caveman, behind the times. How can you stop in your development like you do? Is the world experience for you, and people like you, an empty space? laughing
            9. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 22 2021 23: 38
              -1
              You were deceived, this is not Margaret Thatcher.
              What about

              Quote: isofat
              the dumber a person is, the faster he condescends to insults.

              You will now go to my personal ban again.
            10. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) April 22 2021 23: 52
              +2
              Quote: Oleg Rambover
              You will now go to my personal ban again.

              Oleg Rambover... I really hope that during this time you will understand the concept of succession and become not stupid. What you classify as rudeness is the usual truth. If I were your enemy, I would hide this truth from you. Stop pretending to be smart, be yourself. love
    2. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) April 22 2021 01: 41
      +1
      Oleg Rambover... Again. Sorry, but I have good reason to trust the published information.

      We will assume that this is a worldwide practice. Everybody does it! yes
    3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 22 2021 01: 56
      -1
      Quote: isofat
      Again. Sorry, but I have good reason to trust the published information.

      On what basis do you "have good reason to trust the published information"? Only on the basis of your faith?
    4. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) April 22 2021 14: 00
      +1
      Oleg Rambover... Common sense, here is my guide in the world of lies and deceit! yes
    5. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 22 2021 23: 32
      0
      Something he brings you a lot.
  • cmonman Offline cmonman
    cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 21 2021 18: 53
    -1
    After the English fakes, I stopped trusting their applicants.

    Haha !! This fake was invented by the Russian Parshev!

    Russian Foreign Ministry's Official Twitter Account

    In November 1991, in her speech in Houston, ex-British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher said that 'according to the estimates of the world community, it is economically feasible for only 15 million people to live in Russia.

    On its Twitter thread on Anglo-Russian relations, the official Twitter account of the Russian Foreign Ministry quoted what it said was an anti-Russian statement by the late British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. In 1991, Thatcher allegedly told an audience in Houston, Texas that it was "economically feasible for Russia to have only 15 million people."
    #Zakharova: In November 1991, in her speech in Houston, former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher said that "according to the estimates of the world community, it is economically expedient to live in Russia for only 15 million people." people "
    Some Russian journalists initially disputed that Margaret Thatcher had given speeches in Houston in 1991. In fact, that same year, she gave a speech in Houston to representatives of the oil industry, and the New York Times published an article about it. However, it was about environmental issues and regulations and did not mention Russia.
    The "quote" quoted by the Russian Foreign Ministry is actually taken from the Russian-language book by Andrey Parshev entitled "Why Russia Is Not America."
    Parshev claimed to have heard the audio recording of the speech, but did not provide any evidence for his claim. He also changed the quote he allegedly "heard" several times. More recently, he argued that Thatcher stated that only 15 million people in the Soviet Union were employed in the most efficient sector of its economy.
    Outside of Parshev's book, there is no record of this alleged quote from Thatcher or any of its subsequent versions. "

    https://www.polygraph.info/a/fake-margaret-thatcher-quote/29292344.html

    Old noodles from the ears must sometimes be shaken off so that the new noodles fit ...!
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 19: 20
      +2
      Quote: cmonman
      Parshev claimed to have heard the audio recording of the speech ...

      cmonman, see? Another witness was found who even heard what Thatcher said. We cannot simply dismiss their testimony.

      As the last US elections have shown, they cannot be trusted. Your monstrous deception was seen by the whole world! And after that you want to be believed? Have you lost your mind or what?
  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 23: 02
    +2
    Petr Vladimirovich, from such a height it is possible to provide assistance to any country fighting for its independence. You can clear the near-earth space from satellites, better than strangers, unnecessary. Or help ourselves, you never know. smile
  • Strange war Offline Strange war
    Strange war (Vasya) April 22 2021 00: 05
    0
    Quote: Petr Vladimirovich
    I love the plans of our bulk ...

    Housing and salaries for all our citizens are normal, gasification of the whole country, paved roads to all settlements, hospital wards for two beds with a shower and toilet are everywhere ...
    Well, what is needed for complete happiness? That's right, the orbital station ...

    Don't worry, it won't make it to the station. They will call and forget. Russia is technologically incapable of developing and producing armor-piercing sub-caliber projectiles with a detachable pallet for a 30 mm automatic cannon, a wheeled armored personnel carrier has been "being developed" for 30 years, they look at modern microcircuits like the Papuans, what the hell is the station?
  • aries2200 Offline aries2200
    aries2200 (aries) April 25 2021 00: 01
    +1
    The construction of our own station will provide about 80 thousand new jobs, new technologies, salaries. demagogue YOU are liberal Peter Vladimirovich ...
  • nik8863 Offline nik8863
    nik8863 (Nikolay Redko) April 25 2021 13: 29
    0
    What to answer to this provocateur !!! As in the famous film: "Uncle Petya, are you ?!" Or working off the "green money" "sent Cossack"! Both options are not good for the author of this "bunch". To fully answer the idiotic maxim about "salaries" and so on. "Kissel banks" you need to write a whole lecture, which I absolutely do not want. Therefore, Petr Vladimirovich, take it for granted: you are either, excuse me, or the enemy!
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker April 20 2021 20: 26
    +7
    Russia is a state that can do everything on its own. And space is not only advanced technologies that we are obliged to own, but also the defense of the country. Therefore, it is already impossible to share these technologies with the enemy. We need our own station in orbit! And the fact that we have housing, roads, salaries are not the same as in the EU and the United States, it is not space to blame, but mediocrity who run the state !!
    1. Pivander Offline Pivander
      Pivander (Alex) April 20 2021 20: 37
      +3
      Russians, you simply cannot imagine what conditions you have for creating yourself. Plus - Minus as in the States. In Europe, this does not and will not happen. Union of Pensioners. The fact that Merkel let in and let the darkness of the tanned people go is not Erdogan's intentions. This is a necessary reality. There are no fools in the EU leadership. There is plenty of bureaucracy, no fools. Everything is thought out. 5 out of 10 grimy ones will work, the family of German pensioners is provided for. The rest 5 will be printed in Euros. Without a crisis and emergency, it is impossible to print Eureka.
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) April 20 2021 21: 53
        -5
        Quote: Pivander
        This is a necessary reality.

        In RF 2020, the population is minus 700. The birth rate is not higher than the German one, and the death rate is higher. Perhaps the time has come to start "tanned" in the Russian Federation as well?
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 16: 03
          +1
          Quote: Vladest
          Perhaps the time has come to start "tanned" in the Russian Federation as well?

          Vladest, did I understand you correctly? Are you testing the waters, want to come back?
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) April 22 2021 10: 15
            -1
            Quote: isofat
            Are you testing the waters, want to come back?

            I was smart enough to return home to Estonia in 1989. And I have no regrets. Altai, where I lived for 13 years, is now the most depressed region of the Russian Federation.
            The average salary in the Altai Territory in economic sectors is about 18 thousand rubles. per month. In the financial sector, the average earnings are 42 thousand rubles. per month, in the mining industry - 33 thousand rubles.
            https://visasam.ru/russia/rabotavrf/zarplata-v-altayskom-krae.html
            From whatever side you come, but we have an average of 1400 euros.
            Can you tell me where to move to the Russian Federation?
            And yet, our politicians are not an eyesore.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) April 22 2021 13: 49
              +2
              Quote: Vladest
              Can you tell me where to move to the Russian Federation?

              Vladest... Live in Estonia for now, we don't need you. Wise up, we'll see. yes
      2. Oder Offline Oder
        Oder (Wojciech) April 22 2021 11: 32
        0
        The problem for the Russians, it seems to me, is in the vast space that they must protect, in the harsh climate. It is difficult to govern such a large state with such a small population. Maybe the management system is bad, or maybe the mentality of people? Nevertheless, you have such excellent conditions to be even richer than the USA, it is a pity that you cannot take advantage of them.
        1. cmonman Offline cmonman
          cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 22 2021 23: 26
          0
          The problem for the Russians, it seems to me, is in the vast space that they must protect, in the harsh climate.

          Yes and no! The huge space is, of course, difficult to maintain economically. But the main problem is an uncontrollable itching desire to regain the status of a "great power", which would be reckoned with as the USSR. But there are no such attendants as in the USSR! Not to live within our means, but to live as in the last wish of the Pushkin old woman from the fairy tale "The Golden Fish". So Russia puffs up, developing its military-industrial complex to the detriment of the civilian economy. Yes, in the production of weapons has succeeded, but at the same time the people live in poverty.
          By the way - from whom “should they protect” (your words)? Which state does not have enough natural resources and is suffocating from the inability to buy something there from Russia? But on the other hand, if you tell the Russians 24/7 that we were surrounded / we are in the pit, then the people, tightening their belts to the spine, will silently endure ...
          1. Oder Offline Oder
            Oder (Wojciech) April 23 2021 09: 47
            0
            I agree with you. In general, nothing else needs to be added.
  • Kofesan Offline Kofesan
    Kofesan (Valery) April 20 2021 21: 34
    +2
    The ISS is a symbol of the survival of the Russian space industry with a simultaneous burning desire to please amers and get a condescending pat on the shoulder from America by the leadership of Roscosmos and not only. These are not my assumptions. It is a fact.

    For the sake of a "free" business trip to Colombia in the 90s and early 2000s, the New Queens made the business of transferring technology and know-how "as a gift", where the United States went to kindergarten. Now they hardly need a cheap cab. And if there are no more gifts for Houston from Rogozin and Co. ..., then from the ISS (including for military purposes) we will be trampled. So it is better to lead this process than to get rid of the next public meanness-dirty trick from penguins.

    This is probably not a bad news. They completely forgot that the only thing worse than a war with the Anglo-Saxons is friendship with them.
  • Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) April 20 2021 21: 41
    -6
    Barack was done, now they are running. There are only problems with Russian modules. Although it is still necessary to live up to 2025. The beginning of assembly of the first module of the future orbital station of the Russian Federation has already been shown on TV.
  • Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) April 21 2021 08: 25
    +2
    It is impossible to cooperate with people who are half-crazy with hatred of the Russian common people ...
  • I advise VVP to cost a compact battle station, with a nuclear reactor, and with missile cannons! And you can just ride on the ISS!
  • VladimirK Offline VladimirK
    VladimirK (Vladimir Kubov) April 21 2021 13: 01
    0
    Let reaming pindos finally ISS, we will work at the new station.
    1. cmonman Offline cmonman
      cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 21 2021 19: 04
      -2
      ... we will be working at a new station.

      Do you know about the pace of construction in Russia? And is the price of the project increasing in time? Those who have not yet gone to school will work at the station! And at the same time ask your great-grandchildren, who will visit your grave, to tell aloud how this fantasy ended ...
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) April 21 2021 19: 26
        +2
        Quote: cmonman
        Do you know about the pace of construction in Russia?

        cmonman, we know, but you do not! We will need to build a bridge to the moon, and also quickly. laughing love
  • Enoch Offline Enoch
    Enoch (Enoch) April 21 2021 14: 25
    -2
    The Kremlin believes that our country is able to implement this project independently, but we are ready to consider the participation of other partners.

    The same rake, but a new clamp for the Russian people.
  • Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 21 2021 15: 01
    -1
    Soon the tale will tell, but it will not soon be done in Putin's Russia
  • Vlad the Good Offline Vlad the Good
    Vlad the Good (Vladimir) April 21 2021 15: 29
    +1
    I assume the main reason for espionage by members of the International Space Station of foreign countries.
    While Russia did not have the financial ability to independently bear the costs of launching and maintaining the ISS, spies on board were tolerated.
    Now let them fly by themselves ...
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 22 2021 09: 38
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    Soviet Russia was the legal successor of the Russian Empire.

    Seriously? I have not heard.
  • Zhuvladmit Offline Zhuvladmit
    Zhuvladmit (Vladimir) April 22 2021 17: 18
    0
    There are stations, and no nails.