Two scenarios for Ukraine, one of which is the complete defeat of the country


In light of what is happening between Ukraine and Russia, political scientists on both sides of the border continue to express their points of view on how the military conflict between the two countries could end. Thus, the Ukrainian expert Andrey Golovachev sees in this case two scenarios for the development of events for Kiev and Moscow.


Golovachev is confident that it will not be possible to avoid a military confrontation between the Ukrainians and the Russians in the Donbass, since this conflict has an existential nature - like that of the Israelis and the Palestinians. From this point of view, a peaceful resolution of problems between the two states is impossible.

In this case, much will depend on the actions of the West. It is unlikely that the United States will be able to stop Russia from taking the steps it is planning. At the same time, war can be avoided if NATO makes it clear that it will not take the side of Ukraine in the event of an aggravation of the conflict with the Russian Federation - in this scenario, Kiev may decide to abandon forceful measures, as well as to revise its relations with Western "partners. ".

If war does happen, there are two options for the future - the complete defeat of one of the participants in the confrontation (few doubt that it will be Ukraine) or the reconciliation of the warring parties, as was the case between France and Germany.
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  1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) April 19 2021 16: 51
    +3
    Complete defeat for the Ukrainians is the only scenario. If they do not rot in the trenches, they will roll along the gateways. The "economists" are not considering the scenario without the IMF, and the IMF is no longer considering Hohland. laughing and then dad was offended and decided to cover the tap with diesel fuel ...
  2. GRF Offline GRF
    GRF April 19 2021 17: 23
    0
    existential nature - I don't understand Ukrainian, what did he mean?
    1. silver169 Offline silver169
      silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) April 19 2021 17: 40
      +1
      The fact that Ukrainians and Russians are in fact the same "brothers" as Israelis and Palestinians, that is, mortal enemies. Yes, unfortunately it is. Finally, people in Russia are beginning to understand this.
      1. GRF Offline GRF
        GRF April 19 2021 17: 47
        +1
        Then why is it precisely the "brother", the Ukrainian expert, who is sure that it will not be possible to avoid a military confrontation between the Ukrainians and Russians in the Donbass, and that Russia should begin to understand this, and not finally in Ukraine ...
        1. silver169 Offline silver169
          silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) April 19 2021 17: 55
          -2
          Did you happen to fall from the moon?
      2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) April 19 2021 18: 01
        +1
        Descendants of Circassians, Turks and Iranian Jews are Russian brothers? That is, apart from the anatomical similarity of the Ukrainians (and even then not in everything), there is nothing more in common with the Russians.
    2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) April 19 2021 17: 44
      +1
      Possibly the opposite of mentality.
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) April 19 2021 18: 25
        0
        There is such an amazing film "Rabbi Jacob" with Louis de Funes.
        Look better in French, some of the nuances are inevitably lost during translation.
        There, with an inimitable expression on his face and intonation, he asks: are you not relatives? Answer: yes distant ... fellow
  3. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) April 19 2021 18: 01
    0
    Galician Bandera are really enemies. and the rest are Little Russians (read Russian) and you shouldn't write them all down as enemies. If you follow this logic, then the Chechens in the 90s are also all enemies, but as it turned out now, this is not true.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) April 19 2021 18: 05
      +1
      Lukoml, together with the Tatars, who cut out? Who reached Arkhangelsk? Bandera? And the Chechens admit their mistake and are not divided into right and wrong.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) April 19 2021 23: 15
        +3
        If you delve deeper into history, then (with your approach) Muscovites should always be cut with Ryazan, Tver, Kazan Tatars, etc.
        Ukraine needs 2 - 3 generations of people trained with a normal school curriculum. And then under the USSR, such as Kravchuk was in charge of ideology there. He's been real since 1960. engaged in ideology and propaganda from the Communist Party of Ukraine. And what do you want from the Ukrainians? Kravchuk since 1989 was the head. ideological sector of the CPU. And with him appeared in December 1992. in with. Old Ugrinov is the first bust of Bandera. The top of the Communist Party has been Bandera since the mid-1950s. We see the results of 65 years of Bandera propaganda.
  4. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) April 19 2021 20: 18
    +2
    do not whip up hatred of Ukraine, this is what the Zaokena strategists want. Take the fraternal country of Russia and turn it against Russia itself. Thus, undermining the general potential of the Slavic space and making it impossible for the rapprochement between Europe and Russia. Now the main task is the separation of the Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian government. It is necessary to convey to the Ukrainians that their enemies are not Russian, but Ukrainian fascists. And those, in turn, out of stupidity, blindly act on instructions from the langley, thereby destroying their country. After all, it is obvious that two fraternal peoples, neighbors, whose economies are closely connected (they were but can become again), with the same faith and history - then God ordered them to cooperate and try to create a common economic space. It is good that Ukraine tried its orientation only to the west and saw that it had nothing to offer Western markets. Therefore, she is now selling her hatred of Russia at the expense of self-destruction. But the majority of Ukrainians are no different from Russians, they also just want a normal rule of law and moderate corruption like in Europe. They are not fascists and not our enemies. Their current government is stupid and there is a minority of fascists in the country, which is a deadly poison for a country where 30-40% are Russian-speaking. When and if they understand this, they themselves will hang all these clowns. And this is what needs to be communicated now, not hatred of Ukraine and Ukrainians
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) April 19 2021 20: 38
      +3
      For some reason, it is impossible to whip up with the Serbs. and the Ukrainians, now with the Poles, now with the Turks, now with the Austrians, are whipping up against Russia. now it turns out the Americans are to blame, and the Ukrainians, as always, are white and fluffy. And with swords under Peter, clowns were chopped and hung up under Stalin, but clowns are not translated. They have been choosing power for themselves since 1991. So far, no one stood out with intelligence and ingenuity. What did they do in Russia during the Troubles with a common faith and history ??? Poles, Czechs, Croats apparently also belong to the common Slavic space and are a fraternal people? Or maybe for a nemchura, the parasyuk and Mikhail Lomonosov look the same?
      1. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
        Siegfried (Gennady) April 20 2021 00: 54
        +2
        the reason is that it is not in the interests of the Russian Federation. Why make of a country where now at least 40-60% treat the Russian people well, perhaps they do not approve of the leadership, but are clearly not the fierce enemies of the Russian Federation, enemies? Obviously, after all, it is better that they themselves understand what kind of feud with Russia has brought them. They will understand this for economic reasons, the country is bent over. Most of the "patriots" who are ready to fight are simply shocked by the loss of the Crimea and eastern territories, and they can be understood. If I were Ukrainian, I would also not look at all this unequivocally. They just need to open their eyes to the fact that they lost Crimea because of the Ukrainian fascists who incite hatred between our countries (Odessa). In essence, Ukraine simply did not come up with a better basis for self-identity, as opposing itself to Russia ... we are NOT Russia, we are Europe. Russians are bad, we are not Russians .. we are Europeans. The Russian world is not us. We are the European world. Hence the separation of religion, culture and language. They are trying to completely reformat society on the basis of anti-Russian self-identity. Something like the Germans, we are not Jews, we are Aryans. We know how it ended. It would be better for the Russian Federation if this process stopped. Otherwise, we will get a hostile state, where the new generation will already forget the former closeness of peoples and perceive Russia from birth as an enemy.
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) April 20 2021 05: 31
          +2
          how neatly got it wrong again laughing there is no desire to parse every sentence. for 1000 years Russia had the opportunity to study the crest.
        2. Oder Offline Oder
          Oder (Wojciech) April 20 2021 09: 00
          -1
          I think Ukraine is already lost for you. They see you as an enemy who invaded them and stole the land. Their mentality is so cruel that you will remember it for the rest of your life. It's hard to get along with them.
          1. silver169 Offline silver169
            silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) April 20 2021 10: 40
            +1
            Why is it lost? Even you do not consider it lost to yourself. Although at one time it was you who humiliated and oppressed Ukrainians and Belarusians more than fascists. And now you think for it the East Kresy will break off. Don't get your hopes up. And don't worry, Russia and the Ukrainians will somehow come to an agreement without you.
            1. Oder Offline Oder
              Oder (Wojciech) April 20 2021 10: 51
              -1
              I don’t believe this. And you hope that everything will be the same as before 2014?
              In Poland there is a proverb “Hope is the mother of stupid people”, and a Czech would say “To se ne wrati”.
              1. silver169 Offline silver169
                silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) April 20 2021 11: 13
                +1
                In Russia, there is a good proverb "D.U.R.a. to dumkoy is getting richer." This is just about your unrealizable dreams of the seizure of Belarus and Eastern Ukraine.
                1. Oder Offline Oder
                  Oder (Wojciech) April 20 2021 13: 50
                  -1
                  But we don't want to attack anyone. If people themselves do not want to join us, then they will not want to. It cannot be done by force.
  5. Oder Offline Oder
    Oder (Wojciech) April 20 2021 09: 23
    +1
    It seems that the United States will not abandon Ukraine and support the Bandera supporters.
    On April 19, 2021, dozens of American F-15 and F-16 fighters flew to Poland for a training exercise.
    And I believe that today Ukraine is primarily degraded and enslaved by the henchmen of the Bandera and Yankees, who are waiting for release, and the Russians will be greeted with flowers.
    1. silver169 Offline silver169
      silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) April 20 2021 10: 33
      0
      Odra (Wojciech) In case of such support, it is your country that can receive a couple of Russian vigorous bombs. And it would be good if you have become too arrogant, I'm afraid now, you just won't get off with the redistribution of your country.
  6. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) April 20 2021 09: 42
    +1
    Most of the "patriots" who are ready to fight are simply shocked by the loss of the Crimea and eastern territories, and they can be understood.

    And how many in Russia are shocked by the loss of the hero cities of Odessa, Kiev, Kharkov, Zaporozhye ...