In Kiev, Russia promised many thousands of losses in the event of an invasion


In Ukraine, the discussion continues in the "enemy at the gates" style concerning the possible "aggression" of Russia against the "conciliar state". In Kiev, many have already forgotten how, quite recently, during the first three months of 2021, they themselves actively campaigned for "resolving the issue with Donbass and Crimea." Now the notes and intonations have changed markedly, and the noise about the "return of territories" is not so strong and categorical.


For example, according to the ex-head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Andriy Zagorodnyuk, who is a member of the Ukrainian pool of the American "philanthropist" George Soros, the invasion of the Russian Armed Forces into the "square" will result in many thousands of losses for Moscow. In any case, a freelance adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky and the son of a local oil and gas oligarch, a member of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine and the supervisory board of Ukroboronprom, promised this publicly.

He is confident that Russia will not be able to keep Ukraine under its control in the event of an "occupation". Moscow allegedly does not have enough "strength". He stated this during the program "Right to Power" on the "1 + 1" TV channel.

They (Russians - ed.) Do not have a single scenario, not a single option, where the positive would triumph over the negative. In fact, they already lose in all variants. For them, it was a huge strategic mistake to start this whole campaign. This campaign will not end positively for the Russian Federation. Even if we consider the scenario of a full-scale military offensive, combined arms operation, well, they will go somewhere, it's not a question, what's next? And then nothing, they have no strength to hold any serious territory. It will simply end in a long, boring, difficult one, where thousands of Russian servicemen will die, in a conflict that will not bring them any advantages.

- said the former minister, who did not serve in the army for a single day.

Zagorodnyuk stressed that all this time the "valiant" Ukrainian Armed Forces will strike at the Russian troops, the forces of the territorial defense of Ukraine and a huge number of volunteers will "beat" them. In his words, "behind every fence, around every corner" the enemy will be ambushed, and bullets and shells will fly in his direction.

What is the general chance of their (Russians - ed.) Victory in this case? No

- Zagorodnyuk summed up meaningfully.
  • Photos used: Ministry of Defense of Ukraine
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  1. wolf46 Offline wolf46
    wolf46 April 17 2021 12: 48
    +9
    Why publish nonsense generated on Independent here ?!
  2. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk April 17 2021 13: 34
    +6
    Today, I have only lost the belief that someone knows how to think about the future of their country. What hurt .... Idiots. And there is titanium, uranium. A bunch of rare earths .... Sheep. Grow whatever you want on earth. Everything is gone. In general - everything!
  3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 13: 37
    +11
    Fighting against the Russian Federation in the Caucasus, UKROPIA lost 50000 of its Bandera thugs, new thousands disappeared in the boilers in the Donbass. Fighting with Russian culture and the Russian people was a big mistake kaklov
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 17 2021 14: 42
      .
      Why are you being shy? Write 50 million at once.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 14: 46
        +9
        Good gentleman, do not consider yourself smarter than others, there is also intelligence in the Russian Federation and we are still in the know.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 17 2021 14: 52
          .
          Intelligence probably works, but what does this have to do with your imagination? You cannot confirm these 50 thousand by independent sources.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 14: 55
            +10
            Fantasies, this is with you, because you lost there having lost your fighters, so you have to fantasize, pretending that you were not there. Your special forces in Crimea in 2014 also failed and you wrote it off, pretending that you did not send them there, but we know the truth, even though you would like to forget it. What you deign to call independent sources, these are sources controlled by the United States and their slaves, and they are not independent
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 17 2021 15: 13
              .
              I, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, do not fully understand your maxim. Why do you call the Russian army militants? Yes, the Chechen militants were not successful in defeating, and the Russian Federation pays tribute, but it cannot be called a total loss either. So I do not agree with you that the Russian Federation lost in Chechnya.

              That is, even in the Russian Federation there are no sources confirming your words? Are they, too, all controlled by the "USA and their slaves"? Oh, May! Where is Russia heading?
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 15: 20
                +9
                The fact that people like you are still citizens of the Russian Federation is a mistake that will be corrected, because there is no place for patients with Russophobia in the Russian Federation ... I call the Bandera herd militants, which has been done in Chechnya and Ossetia and in the Donbass and dragged into their native huts scratching the recaptured asshole with Russian boots ... Enough to carry this Bandera nonsense, alas, there are enough subsidized regions in the Russian Federation and Chechnya is not the most subsidized of them ... The Russian Federation took Grozny twice, all your Dudayevs, Maskhadovs died, and the Kadyrovs' clan was smart enough not to fight against Russia , they quietly surrendered their Gudermes without a fight ... Say hello to the widows of the Romanian special forces, which you sent to die in the Russian Crimea and wrote it off ...
                1. Binder Offline Binder
                  Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 15: 53
                  -9
                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  Say hello to the widows of the Romanian special forces that you sent to die in the Russian Crimea and wrote it off ...

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  Your special forces in Crimea in 2014 also failed and you wrote it off, pretending that you did not send them there.

                  You will decide somehow whose special forces were killed in the Crimea. And then, you see, in the next comment you will write that there our Israelis from "Sayeret Matkal" were killed in thousands, so I will tell you in advance that this is a complete blizzard. bully
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 16: 05
                    +8
                    So I wrote about the NATO special forces that died in Crimea, you and your Israel are allies of the United States and NATO ... I have not seen Israeli special forces in Crimea and Donbass, but Romanian, American and Polish were noted there ... and managed to get nuts get everything ... So for example, in Kharkov on 16.08.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX, in a pool of blood, they found the carcass of a US officer who got lost and forgot that Kharkov is not America ... A brigadier general of the USA died near Luhansk, the list is long ... One of them was Sean Fuller, US citizen, Iraq War veteran, professional saboteur and demolition officer, Texas alias.
                  2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 16: 17
                    +9

                    Here is another fighter with the Russian World, an Estonian citizen who died in Donbass ... I can enumerate all your animals that died in battles against Russia and the Russian people for an infinitely long time
                    1. Binder Offline Binder
                      Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 18: 03
                      -8
                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      I can endlessly list all your animals that died in battles against Russia and the Russian people.

                      Well, unlike you, I will not be engaged in listing your animals - I was not very interested in this topic. I know a few. They, as I heard, are also far from immortal ...
                      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 18: 11
                        +8

                        There are no immortals, but your supposedly indestructible tanks, so far, burn better than the T-90 in Syria. However, this does not prevent you from still threatening us with your burnt meat.
                      2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 18: 13
                        +6

                        Here's another sample of your supposedly foremost military genius burning with a torch and also supposedly invincible
                      3. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 18: 16
                        -4
                        I draw your attention to the open hatch - the crew survived.
                      4. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 18: 19
                        +6
                        The hatch could be opened with a flash from a fuel explosion and an explosion from the detonation of a part of the ammunition load. When loaded into the Abrams high-explosive shells, its ammo rack explodes as easily as on the antediluvian T-55.

                      5. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 20: 19
                        -4
                        After the explosion of ammunition, the view is somewhat different. fellow
                      6. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 20: 23
                        +5
                        It also happens, and it also happens

                      7. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 20: 25
                        +1
                        This is more like the truth.
                      8. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 20: 29
                        +5
                        And this is the truth. It's just that tanks sometimes burn out completely so that the metal melts, sometimes they burn for a long time, and then explode, and sometimes they explode right away and Abrams is your most lousy modern tank, your Merkava and British Challenger, and that is more durable than this popular American something ...
                      9. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 20: 35
                        -7
                        No, well, where do we all go to your legendary "Armata". lol
                      10. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 20: 40
                        +7
                        Armata is a fundamentally new tank, and given the fact that even the T-90 proved to be excellent in Syria, it is stupid to laugh at our tanks. Your Merkava structurally partially repeats the Wehrmacht tanks, with a front-mounted transmission. You have created a kind of Hitler's self-propelled guns Elephant, heavy, clumsy, low-speed, weakly powered, your monster's ground cross-country ability in the European theater of military operations will be close to zero ... Yes, you have not bad armor protection, which, however, often only partially saves the lives of the crews your tankers, and the tanks themselves you have to evacuate in tow ...
                      11. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 20: 43
                        0
                        Our tanks are designed for local conditions and for solving specific tasks, if we had to fight in Europe, they would have been done differently.
                      12. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 20: 48
                        +6
                        Here you are right, your tanks are specific and only for actions in Israel and in neighboring territories, but as practice has shown, our T-90s, created for the conditions of Europe and in Syria, have shown themselves not very bad
                      13. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 20: 54
                        -5
                        It is difficult to speak about the positive results of the use of the T-90 in former Syria - they had to resist hordes of poorly armed and poorly trained Arabs. Russian tanks did not meet with an equal enemy there.
                      14. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 20: 55
                        +7
                        Well, why, there are Islamic scumbags who are completely prepared in Turkey at war ... Besides, you have never fought with anyone except Arabs ...
                      15. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 21: 06
                        -5
                        Those regular armies of the Arab states, with which the Israelis fought at one time, were no match for the current Syrian bearded warriors. The armies of Egypt and Syria were armed to the teeth with the latest Soviet weapons for those times, trained by Soviet instructors, the officers were all graduates of Soviet schools. The Jordanian army was organized and trained by the British, armed with European weapons and fought, by the way, much more professionally than the Egyptians and Syrians. In addition, servicemen from Iraq, Algeria, North Korea, Cuba also took part in the battles, and Soviet instructors repeatedly took direct part in hostilities.
                      16. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 21: 13
                        +5
                        And now the Russian Federation is fighting in Syria with graduates of NATO military schools and field military camps, with bandits who have combat experience in the war with the Russian Federation in the Caucasus ... Soviet instructors, these are air defense missilemen and pilots ... Cuba fought in Angola, but not with you, the DPRK also had enough of its own worries ...
                      17. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 21: 26
                        -4
                        You can easily find information about the Cuban tank brigade that fought on the side of Syria on the Web. The fact that the Syrian reactor, destroyed by the Israelis in 2007, was designed and built by specialists from the DPRK is also no secret to anyone.
                      18. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 21: 27
                        +5
                        The reactor is possible, but the nuclear power plant is not a military facility
                      19. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 21: 28
                        -4
                        What kind of nuclear power plant is there? The enterprise was conceived as a production of nuclear weapons.
                      20. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 21: 30
                        +5
                        You and Iran accuse Iran of the same, and in the end you will achieve precisely the fact that it will create weapons, instead of a nuclear power plant, which it is prevented from building
                      21. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 21: 32
                        -5
                        The charges against Iran are well founded. And the Persians cannot see nuclear weapons - this is an axiom. We will not allow it.
                      22. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 21: 33
                        +4
                        The bomb can be bought, today it is not so difficult ...
                      23. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 21: 47
                        -3
                        Can. And we will not allow this to be done.
                      24. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 21: 54
                        +5
                        Well, it will be problematic, today a nuclear charge is placed in an ordinary case
                      25. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 22: 10
                        -5
                        Our guys are working ...
                      26. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 22: 12
                        +5
                        Rather dig their own grave
                      27. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 22: 40
                        -8
                        They stand to defend their homeland and their people.
                      28. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 April 18 2021 11: 45
                        +3
                        So you can defend your interests with missile and bomb strikes against foreign countries, but the Russian Federation cannot ?! You are crazy if you think so!
  4. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 22: 02
    +3
    You can easily find information about the Cuban tank brigade that fought on the side of Syria on the Web.

    Bedouins, Israel's last hope ...
    You can easily find it on the net.
  5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 21: 22
    +6
    My mother's acquaintances were then there, one pilot, the second air defense officer, both returned from that war ... but you were still in the USSR ... By the way, what do you care about Bandera, you are a Jew ?!
  6. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 21: 30
    -6
    I don't care about Ukrainian nationalists, but Russia's violation of international law is annoying.
  7. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 21: 31
    +6
    And what can Israel and NATO do, but the Russian Federation is not allowed ?! By the way, the actions of Ukraine are unambiguously interpreted by international law as genocide, but you prefer not to notice it
  8. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 21: 35
    -5
    I don’t remember a single case of genocide recognized by the international community on the territory of Ukraine.
  9. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 21: 38
    +6
    This suggests that NATO's international law has a penis, and you don't even consider Russians as people, whose rights should be taken into account ... Why do you think that you can climb into foreign countries with your own charter, but the Russian Federation is not ?!
  10. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 22: 05
    -3
    Which of the NATO member states in the period after World War II annexed a part of a neighboring state to its territory? The unification of Germany is something different.
  11. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 22: 06
    +5
    Yes, even your Israel ...
  12. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 22: 13
    -6
    Israel is not a member of NATO, and of the territories it conquered, only the Golan and East Jerusalem are annexed. Moreover, they were conquered during defensive wars.
  13. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 22: 15
    +5
    So Israel can do it, but Russia can’t ?! Is it because you call yourself God's chosen one ?! Wait until God calls you as such ... In addition, since you take 1945 as a starting point, then Ukraine stole Crimea from Russia in 1954, grossly violating the Constitution of the RSFSR, so the annexation of the Crimean region of the RSFSR to Ukraine is annexation.
  14. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 22: 31
    -9
    How can you talk about theft? The leadership of the USSR, headed by Khrushchev, then decided to transfer the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR.
  15. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 22: 51
    +6
    And who is Khrushchev ?! Is he a king ?! There was an absolute monarchy in the USSR and no constitution was written for it ?! The constitution is violated, so it is not legal, not legal, it means theft!
  16. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 22: 20
    +4
    NATa prefers to annex entire states.
    So many rogue parasites joined together that they turned into a jelly-like substance.
    NATO's "commander-in-chief" (who remembers by ear what to call the current one?) May squeak something.

    Decision making is not in his competence.

    Which of the NATO member states in the period after World War II annexed a part of a neighboring state to its territory?

    Turkey. repeat
  17. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 22: 32
    -7
    Quote: Ulysses
    Turkey.

    Even the Turks did not agree to this, preferring to create the Turkish Republic of North Cyprus.
  18. Dear sofa expert. April 17 2021 22: 55
    +4
    Which of the NATO member states in the period after World War II annexed a part of a neighboring state to its territory?

    Well, Turkey chopped off part of Cyprus.
  19. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 22: 00
    +3
    Soviet instructors repeatedly took direct part in hostilities.

    And well, so yours were grounded ..
  20. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 22: 15
    -7
    Yeah, especially in that air battle in the summer of 1970 - the score was 5-0 in favor of the Israelis. yes
  21. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 22: 54
    +6
    5 - 3 and not 5 - 0, and then taking into account the mistakes of the Arab aircraft controllers, the significant numerical superiority of your side and the empty tanks of MiGs that went home after completing the assignment ... In addition, these were MiG-21s, no longer the most modern in that time ... Against the MiG-25, your newest F-15s could only play in a draw, 2 - 2.
  22. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 18 2021 18: 29
    -6
    Are you retelling patriotic tales? Not worth it - everything about the details of that incident is known for sure. And the Israeli F-25s did not fight with the MiG-15.
  23. Shadow041 Offline Shadow041
    Shadow041 April 18 2021 22: 45
    +6
    Prefer to believe Israeli propaganda, you sleep so tightly ?! Your problems. If it comes to war, we'll see who was right. The wreckage of your planes is supposedly fake, the Crimean bridge is supposedly the decoration of Mosfilm ... Yeah, the orderlies from the psychiatric clinic will help you. If there were myths, they would write that all your aviation was shot down with bast shoes, well, like the Germans about the mythical exploits of Melders ...
  24. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 19 2021 00: 36
    -5
    I prefer to know the truth. And tell your friends about the wreckage and the Crimean bridge.
  25. Don36 Offline Don36
    Don36 (Don36) April 18 2021 16: 13
    +6
    You again forgot that those 5 MiGs, before accepting their last battle, managed to shoot down 1 of your Skyhawk and 1 Phantom-2, and in his last battle against 36 of yours, the captain of the USSR Air Force Zhuravlev managed to shoot down 1 of your Mirage before he he himself was shot down ... So not 5/0, but 5/3, albeit in your favor, at that time.
  26. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 18 2021 18: 30
    -5
    Myths of the patriotic electorate. lol
  27. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 21: 48
    +4
    Where did the Jewish tanks meet with an equal adversary?
    Specify.
  28. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 April 18 2021 11: 43
    +3
    Why do you call Syria the former, but do not consider Ukraine as such ?!
  29. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 18 2021 18: 31
    -5
    Because Syria that existed before 2011. is no longer and never will be.
  30. Shadow041 Offline Shadow041
    Shadow041 April 18 2021 22: 48
    +5
    So there is no Ukraine that was before 2014 and never will be. So what's the difference?
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  32. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 21: 44
    +6
    Our tanks are designed for local conditions and for solving specific tasks, if we had to fight in Europe, they would have been done differently.

    Under the local conditions, the creation of the Jewish twilight brain still somehow fit in.
    However, with attempts to get foreign buyers involved, predictably, it did not grow together.
    Seems one country on the way out?

    PS For Europe, the design is not subject to definition.
  33. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 20: 11
    +5
    The crew successfully fled
    Perhaps even before defeat .. winked

    The armor is strong, and our tanks are fast.
    Running into the bushes, Jewish tankers
  34. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 20: 25
    -9
    Israeli tankers may be the best in the world ...
  35. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 20: 38
    +6
    A good epitaph for the tombstone of Jewish tankmen.
  36. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 20: 40
    -7
    They still need to be put to rest first, but this is not an easy task.
  37. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 21: 32
    +4
    The last time Israeli tanks were noted in an unsuccessful attempt to intimidate the Lebanese Hezbollah.
    Raked out.
    Since then they have been sitting in the burrows, not sticking out.
  38. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 22: 19
    -4
    Everything is exactly the opposite - the Fuhrer of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah has been sitting in his bunker since 2006, and his Hezbollons do not even dare to fart loudly near the Israeli border. laughing
  39. Dear sofa expert. April 17 2021 22: 58
    +3
    Israeli tankers may be the best in the world ...

    And which is better, Israeli tank crews, or Turkish "Baikataro-glider pilots"?)
  40. Dear sofa expert. April 17 2021 22: 35
    +5
    I draw your attention to the open hatch - the crew survived.

    "The surviving crew", is that the guy in the white "armored jacket" walking imposingly around the burning car?)
  • Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 17 2021 16: 53
    .
    Dreaming dreaming. You and others like you will never be in power in Russia. Russia does not need fascism. But Pasaran.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 16: 57
      +10
      You forget that fascism and Russophobia are one and the same, and we will not lose the enemies of our people and state on our land. Do not dump yourself, the time will come, you will be hanged on the aspens ... like these

      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 17 2021 17: 07
        .
        Oh, you are greatly mistaken. Fascism and mythical Russophobia are not the same thing. Here you are a fascist, but not a Russophobe. Although you are not even a fascist, but rather a Nazi, which is even worse. It's the same for the Nazis that people of other nationalities interfere with their lives and they dream of evicting or annihilating someone. Your grandfather turns over in his grave, he fought with the Nazis, and his grandson became a Nazi.
        By the way, I forgot to ask, how do you explain why the Russian army won in Chechnya, and the people who fought with the federal forces are in charge of Chechnya?
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 17: 13
          +9
          Good gentleman, you kill and approve of the murder of Russians on a national basis, this is pure fascism and fascists in the Russian Federation have every right to hang on the first bitch ... In addition, no one canceled the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Treason to the Motherland No. 275, and for such as you have long been a prison parasha misses ... My grandfather fought with your Bandera and fully approved my opinion on your question ... Your Ichkeria lost the war of the Russian Federation, as much as you would not want the opposite. laughing This is your destiny

        2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 17 2021 20: 03
          -9
          Quote: Sapsan136
          Good gentleman, you kill and approve of the killing of Russians on ethnic grounds,

          No, no, no, it is you, according to your own words, who are killing and calling to kill Russians in Ukraine (because the ATO is being carried out with their tacit consent). I am against the killing of people of any nationality in general, including Russians. So it turns out strangely, you call to hang yourself.
          And in Chechnya, former militants of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria are getting richer at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation, which should be especially pleasant for you, at the expense of taxes of the mainly Russian population of Russia, and you are flooding me here about brilliant victories.
        3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 20: 20
          +6
          Well, what Russian are you, if you are for the Banderaites, who offered to throw them in jail even for speaking Russian on the street, called to fight the Jews and Muscovites (Tyagnebok), called to kill Russians with an atomic bomb (Timoshenko) and the like ... with a Russian surname, you are a national traitor and therefore more disgusting than an enemy ... The militants of Ichkeria are those who fought against the Russian Federation under its banners ... The Kadyrovs quietly sat in Gudermes and surrendered it without a fight, Gantamirov fought against Dudayev in general , so go get drunk and do not repeat the dull rainy ravings of drunken Bandera girls of easy virtue like Sobchak
        4. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 20: 41
          +2
          And in Chechnya, former militants of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria are getting richer at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation, which should be especially pleasant for you, at the expense of taxes, mainly of the Russian population of Russia,

          Can you see the list of militants who got rich in Russia?

          Is it customary to answer for the market?
        5. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 18 2021 00: 47
          -7
          Are you not enough of the hero of Russia, the former militant Ramzan Kadyrov? And his father, the hero of Russia Akhmat Kadyrov?



          Or the hero of Russia Suleiman Yandarbiev? Hero of Russia Ruslan Yamadaev? Hero of Russia Magomet Daudov?
          We can still walk through the holders of the Order of Courage.
        6. bear040 Offline bear040
          bear040 April 18 2021 12: 04
          +2
          Suleiman Yandarbiev - On February 13, 2004, he died as a result of an explosion in his car, when he was returning home after Friday prayers in the central mosque in Doha ... He was not a hero of the Russian Federation, so you are an ordinary UKROP liar ... fought against Maskhadov, for which they were pardoned.
        7. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 18 2021 14: 14
          -5
          Sorry, I got confused in the heroes of Russia, of course I meant the hero of Russia Suleiman Bekmirzaevich Yamadaev. So sometimes it is difficult to distinguish a hero of Russia from a Chechen militant.
          In the first, they fought against the federal troops. And call things by their proper names, they were not pardoned, they were bought.
  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) April 17 2021 21: 54
    +1
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    And in Chechnya, former militants of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria are getting richer at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation ...

    Oleg Rambover, no need to blow into the extinguished fire, it went out, thank God. yes
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 17: 58
    +1
    By the way, I forgot to ask, how do you explain why the Russian army won in Chechnya, and the people who fought with the federal forces are in charge of Chechnya?

    Have you heard anything about the "Union of German Officers" ??
    It included officers who fought against the USSR.
    Led by General of Artillery Walter von Seydlitz-Kurzbach, read his military biography.

    After Germany's defeat, committee members returned to their homeland in the Soviet zone of occupation, replacing Nazi officials. They played a leading role in the creation of the German Democratic Republic, and the members of the "Officers' Union" in the organization of the National People's Army.
  • Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 17 2021 19: 50
    -8
    And what, someone from this union became the leader of the GDR? And dared to urge to shoot at representatives of the USSR? Something Walter this background did not want to live in the GDR
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 20: 30
    +1
    Lived in the GDR Friedrich Wilhelm Ernst Paulus

    (I hope you don't need to introduce one of the authors of Barbarossa ??)

    In the GDR, Paulus was given a guarded villa in the elite district of Dresden, a car, an adjutant and the right to have personal weapons. In 1954, he began teaching as the head of the military-historical center that was being created. He lectured on the art of war at the Higher School of the Barracks People's Police (the forerunner of the GDR army), made reports on the Battle of Stalingrad.

    All the years after his release, Paulus did not stop proving his loyalty to the socialist system. The leaders of the GDR praised his patriotism and did not mind if he signed his letters to them as "Field Marshal of the former German army." Paulus condemned "West German militarism", criticized the policy of Bonn, who did not want Germany's neutrality. At meetings of former World War II participants in East Berlin in 1955, he reminded veterans of their responsibility for a democratic Germany.

    PSI the GDR is not Chechnya with a teip organization, which even the Soviet regime could not overcome. repeat
  • Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 18 2021 00: 52
    -8
    And what did you mean by that? One can only sympathize with Paulus that he lived in the GDR.
    I told you right away that your parallel between the GDR and Chechnya is not correct.
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 17: 37
    +6
    Dreaming dreaming. You and others like you will never be in power in Russia. Russia does not need fascism.

    It's time to smash Navalny's headquarters.
    Spawned admirers of the failed Fuhrer of the nation.

    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 18: 06
      +7
      An impudent Polish Jew sick with Russophobia, he is a Fuhrer and the leader of the Russian people, like a bullet from shit ... This Polish Jew is not allowed to sleep with the Lavra of Judushka Gorbachev, dreams of repeating, but breaks off
      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 19: 15
        +2
        Already broken off. smile
        The heirs are dividing the household.
        The Russian state can rest while Sisyan's associates grappled in the fight for financial flows.
    2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 17 2021 19: 53
      -9
      Thinks then it will be possible to arrange fascism in Russia? Yes, our authorities like you Natsik in the first place to the nail. It was already like that.
      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 20: 15
        +7
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover)
        Usually failed "Fuhrer" trumpets about fascism in Russia.
      2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 18 2021 00: 54
        -5
        Usually, the Nazis arrange pogroms of legitimate organizations. Google "crystal night".
    3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 20: 26
      +6
      Who is our government ?! Putin's rating is falling and what do you think, who will be the first to merge with the people dissatisfied with the authorities ?! And your Chubais will be merged, their people have been wanting to see them on the gallows since the 90s, and the revolution in the Russian Federation that you naively dream of will give you the same result, you will be torn to shreds ... The people need those guilty of the bandak in the country, he will want to lynch them, but you don’t need to look for you, you can’t erase your drawing ...
    4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 18 2021 01: 09
      -8
      Yes, ours and Putin too. What, you have a different power? State Department? Chubais is ours, just like yours. Take away, do not crap. Only stupid romantics dream of revolutions, I am not one of them.
      If you think that your Nazi views are shared by the majority of Russians, then you are deeply mistaken. No more than 2% of Russian citizens sympathize with you. It's amazing how similar you are to Bandera in Ukraine, they are also supported by 2% of Ukrainian citizens.
    5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 18 2021 07: 27
      +4
      You are praying for Chubais and the USA. People like you in the Russian Federation have long been contemptuously called (also Russians) .My views are shared by the majority of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, you really got it with your rudeness and Russophobia. When you kill and rob Russians, this is supposedly normal, but as soon as you hit you in the face, you immediately start yelling that you were beaten by Russian fascists. Yes, it is you fascists, all of you who staged pogroms of the Russian population on ethnic grounds in their non-states separated from Russia. Canate home, we are not obliged to endure your Russophobia and rudeness in our Russia! You shouted for a long time that Ukraine is not Russia, now we ourselves have understood this ... You shouted that you want to live in your own non-states separated from Russia without Russians ... We also want to live without a Russophobic Hamla in our Russia ... How there in Ukraine in such cases they say - GET FROM HERE!
    6. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 18 2021 08: 41
      -7
      But still, how similar you are to Bandera, this is something. Want to take the fascism test?
    7. bear040 Offline bear040
      bear040 April 18 2021 11: 32
      +3
      And what do you want to be given free food coupons for crimes against the Russian Federation and the Russian people, right ?! So break off what you sow, then you will begin to eat! And you have sown mountains of hatred, so choke on it!
    8. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 18 2021 14: 15
      -5
      You are healthy? Want to take the fascism test?
    9. bear040 Offline bear040
      bear040 April 27 2021 07: 44
      +2
      You are the disease, I am the medicine. You think that killing Russians on the basis of ethnicity is normal, but I believe that it is done and approved by those whose rights are not higher than those of a mad dog, and you should be treated accordingly. The Nazis killed and are killing Russians, and you give them six
    10. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 27 2021 19: 49
      -5
      What are not healthy fantasies, are you a medicine? Do you need help. I believe that it was not okay to kill someone on any grounds. And it doesn't matter what kind of sign it is, nationality, religion, skin color or belief or something else. A person who dreams of killing someone is not healthy. He needs treatment or isolation from society. You are all looking for fascists somewhere out there, but in fact, to see a fascist, you just need to look in the mirror. For me, you are no different from the Banderaites, for them the Russians and the Poles are to blame for everything, for you the Ukrainians and whoever else is there. And these are all the differences, but otherwise you are twins brothers.
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  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) April 17 2021 22: 51
    +3
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    Dreaming, dreaming. You and others like you will never be in power in Russia. Russia does not need fascism. No pasarán!

    Oleg Rambover, whoever told you this told the truth! laughing
  • George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) April 17 2021 22: 54
    +7
    You are not a citizen of the Russian Federation. You are a Banderite.
    I despise.
  • Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) April 17 2021 17: 29
    +5
    I already reminded you, and gave links, that the Armed Forces of Ukraine from June 2014 to July 2018 in battles with the militias lost about 70 thousand of their servicemen, and only near Debaltsevo your losses amounted to 3695 people, and the wounded and cripples - 4262 people, and you all continue to hang on our ears Poroshenko's agitation.
  • beeper Offline beeper
    beeper April 17 2021 13: 46
    +2
    Here is such a "Yukrainian" non-professionalism, such a miserable dumbbell was already a "head of the Ministry of Defense" ?! wassat
    They pick up "clever words" and sprinkle them completely without a clue - another question of questions, but does the suburban selyuk know the meaning of the word "strategy", which he uses so "smartly" ??! request
    This homegrown "strategist" parasitizes "in Ukraine", but clearly does not know what "the country breathes" and what about all these "Ukrainian" Russophobes "w / Bandera people" and their destructive anti-people-anti-state-anti-constitutional lawless "Maidan regime" , think millions of "peresichnyh hulks (ordinary citizens)", on behalf of whom these vile Maidan skakuasses "broadcast" so pompously and self-confidently! fool am
    In which case, this small-town farm "w / Bandera" kleptosvo, together with the servants, "Svidomo" snapped horns and rakl, will run to the West without looking back, urged on by the stusans in the back! winked
    Although, many of the same, Crimean apologists of "Svidomo" Russophobic ukrobanderism, "changed their shoes in a jump" and easily "joined" the Russian government on the peninsula! request
    1. Dima Dima_2 Offline Dima Dima_2
      Dima Dima_2 (Dima Dima) April 17 2021 13: 53
      -2
      What did he say wrong?
    2. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 15: 56
      .
      Quote: pishchak
      Here is such a "Yukrainian" non-professionalism, such a miserable dumbbell was already a "head of the Ministry of Defense" ?!

      Quote: pishchak
      a former minister who did not serve in the army for a single day.

      I, of course, apologize, but in which troops did Comrade Shoigu serve urgently, eh?
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 16: 33
        +10
        Mr. Shoigu is one of the most successful ministers of post-Soviet Russia, everything else is not essential and is not your business. In addition, if you have not yet forgotten the time when you lived in the USSR, then you must remember that in the USSR, along with military schools and a police school, there were fire schools. It looked something like this, graduates received special officer ranks.

        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 18: 13
          .
          What does this picture have to do with S.K. Shoigu? He did not study at such a school, he graduated from the Polytechnic Institute with a degree in civil engineer.

          Quote: Sapsan136
          it's not your mind

          I will somehow decide for myself what is the work of my mind and what is not.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 18: 16
            +10
            You are not a citizen of the Russian Federation and you have nothing to do with the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, so you will decide in your own Israel, and if you stick your head in the Russian Federation, we will rip off your decision-maker to the very root.

            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 18: 24
              .
              Let me remind you that it is not the Israelis who are fighting for the bloody dictator near the borders of Russia, but the Russians from the Shoigu department are supporting the unfinished Assad a few tens of kilometers from my house. And only because the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation understands that if something happens, the Israelis will be able to destroy all Russian objects in the former in a matter of minutes. Syria, our territory remains intact.
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 18: 29
                +10
                Assad has not occupied an inch of Israeli territories, does not kill Jews living in Syria on a national basis, as Ukraine does with the Russians, and nevertheless, this does not prevent you from bombing Syria, which you just do not like ... If you destroy Russian objects in Syria, your Israel will only have memories and only this stops you from taking such a step.

                1. Binder Offline Binder
                  Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 18: 54
                  .
                  There are no Jews in Syria at all, so there is no one for Assad to kill.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  If you destroy the objects of the Russian Federation in Syria, only memories will remain from your Israel, and only this stops you from such a step.

                  And you naively believe that in this case Russia will continue to exist?
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 18: 57
                    +10
                    And who will stop us from existing, one and a half diesel Israeli submarines with cruise missiles, with nuclear warheads, which you illegally acquired ?! Not the fact that your submarines will survive our nuclear strike, not the fact that they will be able to enter the launch position and will not be sunk, and it is not at all a fact that your missiles will not shoot down the missile defense and air defense of the Russian Federation ... In addition, even the death of a dozen of our own It is difficult for cities of the Russian Federation, but it will survive, your Israel will be destroyed, and the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, enraged by your actions, will cut out all the Jews in the Russian Federation. So I do not advise you to fight with the Russian Federation ... you will regret it ...


                    By the way, this is the F-15 in the sight of the MiG ... They lie to you that the F-15 was allegedly not shot down ...
                    1. Binder Offline Binder
                      Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 19: 07
                      .
                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      They lie to you that the F-15 was allegedly not shot down ...

                      Really dared!

                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      And who will prevent us from existing

                      They will erase you into dust, are you really not even able to understand this? Therefore, Shoigu is not the worst defense minister - he understands.
                      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 19: 12
                        +6
                        You were laughing at the photo in the sight of someone else's fighter of your supposedly unkillable F-15?!? In Russia they say: Laughter for no reason is a sign of foolishness ... Who exactly, in your opinion, will erase us into dust, risking getting a similar answer from us !? Do you want to name these heroes ?! I assure you, your shirt is closer to your body, and if the Russian Federation destroys your Israel in the United States, several thousand politicians and military men will die of diarrhea ... By the way, this is already the wreckage of the supposedly unkillable F-15, by the way, with the identification marks of the Israeli Air Force ...

                      2. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 19: 23
                        .
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        wreckage of the supposedly unkillable F-15, by the way, with the identification marks of the Israeli Air Force ...

                        This is a primitive fake. laughing

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        In Russia they say: Laughter for no reason is a sign of foolishness ...

                        And they also say - "Do not boast about the army walking ..." But you, apparently, do not know this proverb.
                      3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 19: 25
                        +7
                        And they couldn't think of anything smarter ?! Here is another photo of your NATO tin can in our scope.


                        By the way, who exactly, in your opinion, will destroy the Russian Federation ?! You somehow did not take the trouble to answer this question
                      4. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 19: 38
                        -8
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        By the way, who exactly do you think will destroy the Russian Federation?

                        Can't you guess yourself, pride obscures your eyes? I advise you to read at your leisure the books by the Russian author S. Anisimov "The Day Before the Day After Tomorrow" and "Behind Moscow". Anisimov is clearly a patriot of his country, never a "Russophobe", but his description of the collapse of Russia is extremely convincing.
                      5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 19: 45
                        +6
                        You still think that the US and NATO will fight for you. I assure you they will not, neither for you, nor for Sprat extinctions, nor for rodents, nor for Bandera. They will not fight with us, even if we occupy Norway. NATO film `` Occupation '' will help you, it contains a subtle hint of fat circumstances ... And this is another NATO tin can in our sight, another of your supposedly unkillable wunderwaffle, F-16



                        This pride does not allow you to clearly answer my question, for you are afraid to become a laughing stock
                      6. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 20: 06
                        .
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        for you are afraid to become a laughing stock

                        I simply do not consider it necessary to talk about what is already clear to all sane people, including Russians. It was no coincidence that Putin mentioned going to heaven.
                      7. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 20: 10
                        +7
                        Oh my God ... I could argue with you that the United States will not fight with the Russian Federation because of countries like your Israel, or even more so Ukraine, but if your Israel is blown to pieces by our YARS, and the United States in response will impose another terrible sanctions on the Russian Federation , who will give me the winnings !? laughing You know, one funny Romanian in the winter of 2014 proved to me that by the spring of 2014 the Russian Federation would no longer exist, and he would bring me cigarettes to a prisoner of war camp, in which the remnants of the defeated Russian army would sit ... It’s already spring 2021, I wish I could hear his opinion on this issue now ... laughing
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 18: 57
    +6
    Let me remind you that it is not the Israelis who are fighting for the bloody dictator near the borders of Russia, but the Russians from the Shoigu department are supporting the unfinished Assad a few tens of kilometers from my house.

    Assad will first put things in order in his house.
    Then you will flee from a temporary settlement in the Israeli-occupied Golan.
    He was never yours.
    Come in large numbers from Odessa ...

    PS The precedent has already been when your illegal settlements have already been razed to the ground.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 19: 08
      .
      Quote: Ulysses
      Then you will flee from a temporary settlement in the Israeli-occupied Golan.

      Have we got a humor night here tonight? laughing
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 19: 48
        +7
        Something like that. Here we watch as you inflate your cheeks and laugh. This is another NATO can of yours, already on sinful earth


        Judging by the keels, this is F-18
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 19: 53
          -8
          Quote: Sapsan136
          your NATO tin can

          Israel is not actually a NATO member, if you don't know. True, along with Israeli, I also have US citizenship, so to some extent NATO is also my bloc. hi
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 19: 57
            +7
            You are an ally of the United States, so as a goat, do not call it, it will still remain a goat ... By the way, this is another NATO can of yours, the allegedly unkillable newest US armored personnel carrier Stryker

          2. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 20: 03
            -6
            You, as a person who fought, must understand that unkillable equipment does not exist, the question is how and with what it can be killed and what are the chances of the crew surviving when killed. Russian armored vehicles in this regard are in no way superior to foreign counterparts.
          3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 20: 07
            +7
            Well, firstly, we do not shout to the whole world that it is indestructible with us, and secondly, our equipment is cheaper than yours, and in terms of quality it is often better, or not worse than yours, at least.


            However, you are a very funny person, this does not make you laugh ?!
          4. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 20: 17
            -9
            Quote: Sapsan136
            we do not shout to the whole world that we have it unkillable

            Wow, even shouting, showing cartoons, and your Zvezda TV channel in general: it looks like a humorous program. yes
          5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 20: 34
            +6
            Well, not so humorous. Some of our weapons are really no worse than yours, and some are much better.

          6. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) April 17 2021 20: 39
            -7
            Quote: Sapsan136
            and the row is much better.

            Is your pride showing up again? Well, well, believe in these mantras and further.
          7. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 20: 46
            +7
            Well, why, I am quite objective. So, for example, the Russian BMP-3 is much better than any of your western BMP ... What's with the BMP Bradley ?! 25 mm cannon and 2 ATGMs, which no one will allow to reload in battle, because they are reloaded only from the outside ... the BMP must support the infantry with fire, and the expensive Bradley can handle this function hardly and much worse than the BMP-3 ...
        2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 23: 00
          +8
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136)
          Do not throw beads in front of pigs.
          The same "bindyuzhnik" is an ordinary Gaster and came in large numbers for the locals.
          Tears a vest here, so that at least a carcass, at least a stuffed animal, enroll in "his".
        3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 23: 04
          +6
          It has long been clear that these Russophobic characters don't really need it. I remember the United States created the Taliban against the USSR ... and now they are nursing Bandera. It's even funny to talk about international law and human rights against this background, they only consider themselves people, they believe that only they have rights, and the problems of the Indians, whom they consider us, (the sheriff) whom they consider themselves to be, are not of interest. It's just that they constantly pour slop on us, and they are supposedly white and fluffy.
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 22: 55
      +4
      Bindyuzhnik (Miron)
      Miron, you won, Odessa relatives are moving to you. love hi
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 22: 46
    +5
    You, as a person who fought, must understand that unkillable equipment does not exist, the question is how and with what it can be killed and what are the chances of the crew surviving when killed. Russian armored vehicles in this regard are in no way superior to foreign counterparts.

    You must remember that the Russian armored vehicles perform the tasks (Georgia, Syria)
    You only have a big bummer with Hezbollah.

    We are fulfilling our tasks.
    While the local gopniks are taking away weapons from your "special forces" in the lanes ..
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 22: 35
    +6
    Israel is not actually a NATO member, if you don't know. True, along with Israeli, I also have US citizenship, so to some extent NATO is also my bloc. hi

    You are an ordinary tumbleweed without a Fatherland.
    Tomorrow, somewhere, you will die in your citizenships.
    An unknown kitten will go to the grave. crying
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 20: 44
    +2
    Inevitable retribution.
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 23: 22
    +2
    No, evening of wishes.
    Seelie.
    Which will naturally not be accepted.

    But you won't be able to create another "holocaust" either.

    No one will believe.
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 17 2021 17: 17
    +6
    I, of course, apologize, but in which troops did Comrade Shoigu serve urgently, eh?

    Defense Minister, managerial position.
    There is a General Staff for solving combat missions.

    Can you show us command or staff positions marshal USSR Dmitry Fedorovich Ustinov, twice Hero of Socialist Labor, Hero of the Soviet Union and Chevalier of 11 Orders of Lenin ??


    He is rightfully considered one of the best (if not the best) defense ministers of the USSR.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 17 2021 17: 21
      +9
      In NATO, women, gynecologists by training, serve as defense ministers, so it would be better for a Jew to keep quiet and not open his mouth to the Russian Federation and Shoigu. In general, the Jews are clearly degrading. It would seem that at the genetic level they should remember how the Banderaites took them to Babi Yar for slaughter, but Russophobia destroyed the last remnants of their brain
  • Cherry Offline Cherry
    Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) April 17 2021 14: 23
    +9
    if they go somewhere, it's not a question, what's next? And then nothing, they have no strength to hold any serious territory. It will simply end in a long, boring, difficult one, where thousands of Russian servicemen will die, in a conflict that will not bring them any advantages.

    Parrot! This is almost what Bismarck said, warning bully against attacking Russia. You can think of an adornment the size of Russia to talk like that. And who needs it, destroyed by their own "patriots"?
    1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) April 17 2021 17: 04
      -1
      Dear Tatiana!
      We haven't talked here before, I'm sure we'll continue.
      Colleague Miron, according to him, a native of Odessa, is currently a citizen and resident of Israel. A new house has been built, the site is equipping. A little younger than me (I am 1953), according to him, he works as a deputy head of a department of a very serious company, so he cannot throw pictures of Wotsap)) and cannot throw mail.
      Here he rests and helps us in fun ...
      wink winked smile
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  • rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) April 17 2021 14: 39
    +4
    there are a lot of idiots on the outskirts and this brothel strategist is one of them
  • Obama Barack Offline Obama Barack
    Obama Barack (Obama Barack) April 17 2021 15: 02
    +1
    Are the losses the same as in the Crimea? )
  • Piramidon Offline Piramidon
    Piramidon (Stepan) April 17 2021 17: 41
    0
    according to the ex-head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Andriy Zagorodnyuk

    How many defense ministers were there? Every day new exes hatch.
  • Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) April 17 2021 17: 42
    0
    ... told the former minister, who did not serve in the army for a single day ...

    - he is not alone, the Minister of Defense does not have to serve in the army - for example, Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu also did not do military service in the army ...
  • if Russia occupies all of Ukraine, then first of all they will demolish all nuclear power plants so that there is no second Ch-byl. And then it will be possible to blow up all the dams of hydroelectric power stations - and go home!
  • silver169 Offline silver169
    silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) April 19 2021 10: 48
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    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Israeli tankers may be the best in the world ...

    Rather, the best of the worst ...))))))
  • silver169 Offline silver169
    silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) April 19 2021 10: 57
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    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    It was no coincidence that Putin mentioned going to heaven.

    You are not in danger of going to heaven. You will die under the fence ...
  • Tektor Offline Tektor
    Tektor (Tektor) April 19 2021 14: 14
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    Stingy on the mind svidomit Zagorodnyuk.
  • Valery Vinokurov (valery vinokurov) April 19 2021 22: 22
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    why would we invade?
    I think that we have enough hummingbirds to destroy all administrative buildings in regional centers, including the parliament and the bank
    Aerospace Forces will destroy all their Armed Forces in Donbass and in places of deployment with carpet bombing
    Well, then let the militias join the case, or whoever they are there .. and drove
    Now they let them arrange the massacre and genocide the Banderas
    No pity..