The main battles in Ukraine will unfold for Mariupol


An attempt at military revenge in Donbass could cost Ukraine Mariupol. The popular American edition of The National Interest writes about this. Recall that this strategically important industrial and port city was originally part of the territory of the DPR, but was lost by it. How realistic is his return to the unrecognized republic, and are the Donbass curators ready to work on their mistakes?


First you need to understand why the loss of control over this city was a criminal mistake. Mariupol is one of the leading Ukrainian metallurgical centers, with two large factories located here. The city itself is a port city, it is located on the coast of the Azov Sea, from where it is convenient to export metallurgical products. Also, the export of Ukrainian grain passes through Mariupol. The city's population initially held a predominantly pro-Russian position, having voted in a referendum in 2014 for independence from Independence. The loss of this industrial agglomeration would be a heavy blow for Kiev, reducing the possibilities of the Russophobic regime that has settled there. So why was Mariupol abandoned by the militia?

Subsequently, many versions were put forward to justify this event. Allegedly, the Armed Forces of Novorossiya (remember this name?) Could not hold him, and then they could not beat him back. And in general they were very humane, they wanted to avoid unnecessary bloodshed. However, the extremely unsightly version of an "agreement" with the local oligarch, owner of metallurgical enterprises and mines, Rinat Akhmetov, looks much more realistic. It is believed that he "asked" the curators of the DPR and LPR to keep the city as part of Nezalezhnaya, otherwise his entire business in Mariupol would have been subject to Western sanctions. Sounds very mundane, but very believable.

Why are they talking about the possible return of the city to the DPR now, and even in the United States? There are a number of reasons for this.

At first, "Minsk agreements" clearly ordered to live long. The Kremlin's hopes of returning the DPR and LPR back to Ukraine on its own terms completely failed, and for this, in 2014, an ambitious project of Greater Novorossia from Kharkov to Odessa was buried. All the efforts of the Russian curators of Donbass ended in complete failure, and now everything must be started from the very beginning on even less favorable terms. Ukraine is already different, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not the same now.

Secondly, the return of Mariupol suggests itself as a logical possible step in the framework of a counteroffensive, if the Ukrainian army tries to make a "blitzkrieg" against the DPR and LPR. The city is located just 25 kilometers from the Russian border. The APU will be extremely problematic to keep him and then try to recapture. There are all signs of preparation for such a scenario. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, without hiding, transferred from the Caspian Sea to the Azov Sea a whole flotilla, consisting of high-speed landing and artillery boats. In addition, three large landing ships go from the Baltic to the Black Sea at once, which can also be loaded with marines and armored vehicles for landing from the sea to Mariupol simultaneously with a counteroffensive on land. Social networks are now full of evidence of how the Azov regiment of the National Guard of Ukraine is being transferred to this city with T-64B1M tanks, BTR-3 armored personnel carriers, and MT-LB tractors. All Kiev's hope is only on the ideologically savvy National Guardsmen.


ThirdlyMariupol, strictly speaking, is still formally part of the proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic within its original administrative boundaries. The movement of the militia forward within their limits may well be considered acceptable by the Kremlin curators.

Finally, in the event of a further escalation of the armed conflict with Ukraine, more ambitious options are possible. Undoubtedly, the participation of the Russian armed forces in hostilities will be marked by the next package of tough Western sanctions. Therefore, it would be advisable to make such a high payment not in vain for our country, while at the same time solving a number of geopolitical problems. For example, by inflicting a counterattack on the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbas, the militia could advance much further towards Crimea, taking control of the entire coast of the Azov Sea, effectively making it internal. Thus, the threat from the deployment of a Ukrainian military base in Berdyansk, from where regular anti-Russian provocations against the Crimea and the Crimean bridge will undoubtedly be carried out, would be fundamentally eliminated. As far as the peninsula itself, Russia would thus be able to cut through the "land corridor" through the Ukrainian territory to the Crimea.

Of course, the price of such an expansion for our country will be very high in military, economic and political terms, but such is the price for "agreements" between the oligarchs behind the backs of ordinary people.
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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker April 15 2021 14: 38
    +19
    What's the point? Take Mariupol and leave Odessa? If you take it, then that's it. So that Ukraine has no access to the sea! And NATO will immediately calm down.
  2. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) April 15 2021 14: 38
    +3
    I think it's more important to clean up Zap. Urkainu from shit, otherwise there will always be problems with this abscess. Radically.

    At present, the Polish government intends to support the national Ukrainian movement in order to create an independent Ukrainian state and in this way weaken Russia ... creating a sales market, and political.

    Jozef Piłsudski, head of the Polish state, hyena of Europe.
    Thus, an independent Ukraine, according to Warsaw's plans, should be nothing more than a puppet of Poland.
    1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
      Kofesan (Valery) April 15 2021 19: 31
      -1
      Who will "clean up"? Or is there still hope for HPP? He is not here. HPP. And there is not even hope. It is necessary to take it away. Vital! But who will do it? ... Who can give such an order? Name in the studio ...
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    3. Oder Offline Oder
      Oder (Wojciech) April 16 2021 10: 29
      -4
      Yes, this is the same Jozef Piłsudski who defeated the Soviet Red Army on the outskirts of Warsaw in 1920.
      1. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) April 16 2021 12: 03
        +3
        There was practically no difference between the regimes of Hitler and Pilsudski.
        The dictatorship of Pilsudski in the interwar years was like the dictatorship of Hitler. The only difference was that Hitler came to power within the framework of a democratic procedure, and Pilsudski - as a result of a military coup. The regime of "sanitation" under Pilsudski is the bans of political parties, anti-communism, political trials, concentration camps, beatings of demonstrators, restrictions on freedom of the press and assembly, anti-Semitism, militarization of society, internment without court decisions, extrajudicial killings ...
        In Poland, there was, in general, the same fascist regime as in Germany, adjusted for the traditional Polish carelessness. In Germany, workers' rights were only better protected. And the German-Polish war in the fall of 1939 was a clash between two fascist states. At the same time, since 1920, Poland has been waging a constant border war with the USSR, which Germany did not do.
        Today, Polish nationalists are trying to emphasize the difference between their predecessors and the Ukrainian Nazis: they say, if the latter collaborated with the Nazis, then they, the Poles, fought against Hitler. And nod to the Home Army (AK). This army was heroized even in the Polish People's Republic, but that is why the whole truth was never told about it. What was called the Home Army was a remnant of the Polish fascist regime, subordinate to the government in exile, that is, the successors of the Piłsudski dictatorship. This military education was heterogeneous, but its backbone was the Polish Nazis. There is no difference with the Ukrainian Nazis. Ukrainian and Polish Nazis slaughtered each other, but even more destroyed the civilian population: Ukrainian - Polish, Polish - Ukrainian.
        Hyenas of Europe negative
        1. Oder Offline Oder
          Oder (Wojciech) April 16 2021 14: 46
          -7
          Among the collaborators who went over to Hitler's side, citizens of Soviet Russia predominated. Among all countries that fought during World War II, the highest percentage of political and military cooperation with Nazi Germany was recorded among the citizens of Soviet Russia. Almost 1,5 million citizens of the Stalinist empire served in the divisions of the Russian Wehrmacht in 1940-1945 (in 1944 alone, about 1 million citizens of Red Russia fought in the Nazi divisions). According to K. Aleksandrov, 400 ethnic Russians (including 000 in the Cossack units) served on the side of Nazi Germany.
        2. Oder Offline Oder
          Oder (Wojciech) April 16 2021 14: 51
          -4
          Probably yours!







          1. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) April 16 2021 16: 40
            +3
            Beryoza-Kartuzskaya - concentration camp created by the Polish authorities - hyenas / trash of Europe



            And you, you pathetic bastard, do you know that damned Poland has sent more than 500 thousand volunteers for the war on the side of Hitler? For comparison - France has about 200 thousand volunteers. By the way, the rest of the European "fighters against fascism" sent more than 2 million of their citizens to fight for Hitler. There, in general, everything was passionate about love. The text of the oath of the Polish soldiers read:

            "I swear before God by this sacred oath that in the fight for the future of Europe in the ranks of the German Wehrmacht I will be absolutely obedient to the Supreme Commander Adolf Hitler, and as a brave soldier I am ready to devote my efforts at any time to fulfill this oath".

            Here is an interesting archival document - a list of prisoners of war who surrendered to Soviet troops during the war. Let me remind you that a prisoner of war is one who fights in uniform with a weapon in his hands. So, Germans - 2, Hungarians - 389, Romanians - 560, Austrians - 513, Czechs and Slovaks - 767, Poles - 60 280, Italians - 48, French - 957, Croats - 23, Moldovans - 136, Jews - 21, Dutch - 822, Finns - 14, Belgians - 129, Luxembourgers - 10, Danes - 173, Spaniards - 4, Roma - 729, Norwegians - 2, Swedes - 377. And these are only those who survived and were captured.
            On January 26, 1934, the "Declaration on the Non-Use of Force between Germany and Poland" was signed, which went down in history as "Hitler-Pilsudski pact"And allowed the Nazis to prepare for World War II. A secret annex was also signed to this pact - in fact, an agreement on a military and economic alliance. It provided, in particular, for the free passage of German troops through the territory of Poland in the event that these troops are called upon to repel a provocation from the east or from the northeast, that is, from the side of the USSR. It was thanks to such an exclusive relationship with Hitlerite Germany in the fall of 1938 Poland, together with her, took part in the partition of Czechoslovakia, having received the Teshin region... When Hitler demanded to pay for this service and provide Germany with the opportunity to build an extraterritorial road to the Baltic Danzig (now Gdansk), Warsaw decided to once again turn their eyes to the Western allies. True, neither England nor France provided real military support to Poland in September 1939, and this country again disappeared from the map of Europe.
            And no one missed her laughing
          2. bear040 Offline bear040
            bear040 April 18 2021 12: 18
            +4
            ROA lists are now available without exception. The ROA was formed not from Russians, but from Soviet nationals who were sick with Russophobia, like you.
            1. Oder Offline Oder
              Oder (Wojciech) April 19 2021 12: 49
              -3
              Have you heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? It is officially recognized in the world as a pact between Russia and Germany, which marked the beginning of the Second World War.
              1. bear040 Offline bear040
                bear040 April 26 2021 21: 44
                +2
                Have you heard that France and England signed the treaty with Hitler before the USSR ?! So it's not very smart to blame Russia for something against this background! And your Poland, together with Hitler, occupied Czechoslovakia ... If you now write that Poland had rights to the Tesh region, then the Russian Federation has much more rights to the Crimea than Poland has to the Tesh region ...
  3. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk April 15 2021 14: 42
    +7
    Not. Even if you leave something to Zelensky, if he is still alive, then only what the Poles will take later. It sounds proudly: Lviv is the capital of Ukraine, and in general: what is Ukraine? If Ukraine appeared somehow by chance, then it is a fragment of Russia.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 15 2021 21: 36
      -7
      Well, Russia is a fragment of Russia. Like Belarus.
  4. wolf46 Offline wolf46
    wolf46 April 15 2021 14: 54
    +3
    Reading a lot of information, in general, about foreign policy, you ask yourself a rhetorical question:
    Has Russia achieved something significant in the international arena not by military force, but by diplomatic means ?! The latter often secured what was obtained by weapons.
    1. Oder Offline Oder
      Oder (Wojciech) April 16 2021 10: 28
      -1
      You speak well.
  5. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) April 15 2021 14: 55
    +4
    Subsequently, many versions were put forward to justify this event. Allegedly, the Armed Forces of Novorossiya (remember this name?) Could not hold him, and then they could not beat him back. And in general they were very humane, they wanted to avoid unnecessary bloodshed. However, the extremely unsightly version of an "agreement" with the local oligarch, owner of metallurgical enterprises and mines, Rinat Akhmetov, looks much more realistic. It is believed that he "asked" the curators of the DPR and LPR to keep the city as part of Nezalezhnaya, otherwise his entire business in Mariupol would have been subject to Western sanctions. Sounds very mundane, but very believable.

    Try to answer the questions:
    1) Why is the front line in the suburb of Donetsk and not on the administrative border of the region?
    2) Why in many places there is no continuous front line, but only fortified posts.
    3) Just look at the map, first at Debaltseve, then at Mariupol. Paint over the Mariupol area with red. Doesn't it look like anything? Are there no analogies?


    The simplest and most obvious explanation is usually correct. And conspiracy theories can be built as much as you like.
  6. Binder Online Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 15 2021 15: 07
    -13%
    The fantasy of Mr. Marzhetsky gushes. laughing What are the landings from the sea to Mariupol, what are the seizures of Berdyansk and the land corridor to the Crimea? I have a serious suspicion that Mr. Marzhetsky not only retired from military service at one time, but even never fired from a slingshot in childhood - he was an obedient boy, it is from such obedient boys that the most aggressive analysts grow up. In the current situation, the Russian leadership will not dare to send regular troops to the seizure and subsequent annexation of the territory of a neighboring state, firstly for political reasons - in this case, the Russian Federation will finally oppose itself to the entire international community, and secondly, for military reasons - after all, if the attacking Russian troops will be repulsed and incur significant losses in manpower and equipment (and this is quite likely), then the image of Russia will be seriously damaged.
    1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound April 15 2021 20: 30
      +8
      Well, where is there without the "high" opinion of the Jewish sportsman, so recently. fellow ). Worry about your image, runners in Russia were somehow not interested in our opinion wink
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) April 15 2021 21: 01
        -8
        In fact, you have something to say, a good citizen, or my modest personage as a Jewish sportsman does not suit you as an opponent? what
      2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) April 16 2021 07: 40
        +2
        Bindyuzhnik is a Jewish emigrant from Odessa. His opinion is very valuable to us. laughing
        1. Binder Online Binder
          Binder (Miron) April 16 2021 09: 23
          -1
          Thank you for your understanding, Mr. Marzhetsky! hi
        2. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
          kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) April 16 2021 10: 41
          +4
          Quote: Marzhetsky
          Bindyuzhnik is a Jewish emigrant from Odessa. His opinion is very valuable to us. laughing

          I will tell you a terrible secret, Mr. Marzhetsky laughing ... There are Jews and there is a Jew. I have been to Israel quite often, I know many worthy people who have moved to permanent residence since the late 70s. Competent, adequate people, mostly with a "tower", there is not a physical education teacher from Odessa, but graduates of serious universities.
          They can be identified by their knowledge of topics, language of communication, knowledge of the Russian language, education, but for some reason, “offended physical education instructors” from “Odessa” who, except for a set of words with a mandatory attempt to “offend” Russians, can do nothing "give birth".

          I would like to ask: what weapon did the Chechen shepherds use to beat the Russian army?

          etc.
          Zelya is a typical Jew, but Mr. Kolomoisky is a Jew, feel the difference.
          Jewish emigrants from Odessa, unfortunately, Israel's misfortune, they accept any "riffraff" who will sell their mother for 30 hryvnia.
          Unless, of course, this Jew is from Israel !? And he really wants to be considered a Jew! laughing
    2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 15 2021 20: 34
      +7
      The US sixes are not all The world community and the Russian Federation need them only in the form of an obedient lackey, which is not acceptable for the Russian Federation ... Will they repel the attack of the Russian army with heavy losses ?! Morzhetsky writes a lot of nonsense, but now you have surpassed him on the head .. Who will smash the Russian army, Bandera criminals with antique weapons !? Fighting unarmed Donetsk women and the Russian army are two different things ... You can shoot a grandfather who came out in a quilted jacket to chop wood, or a grandmother sitting at the window, knocking out a T-90 is much more difficult ... , neither Bayraktars, nor the antique Soviet MiG-29 type 29-9 of the 13 model of the year, or something more ancient, and this is what the Wind Forces are armed with ...
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) April 16 2021 06: 26
        -5
        Quote: Sapsan136
        Who will beat the Russian army, Bandera criminals with antique weapons!

        I am interested to ask: what weapon did the Chechen shepherds use to beat the Russian army? They had neither aviation, nor armored vehicles, nor artillery at all.

        Quote: Sapsan136
        You can shoot a grandfather who came out in a quilted jacket to chop wood, or a grandmother sitting by the window, knocking out a T-90 is much more difficult ...

        About grandfathers, grandmothers and crucified boys, who were deliberately killed by Ukrainian servicemen - not to me, tell someone else about it. fool And the T-90 can be knocked out with a Javelin or destroyed with the Bayraktar TB2, as has been successfully demonstrated in Karabakh. I will not be too lazy to remind you of your words when / if the Russian army really engages in battle with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and videos of the destruction of Russian equipment, like the Karabakh ones, begin to appear on the Web in droves.
        1. Dear sofa expert. April 16 2021 12: 22
          +4
          I am interested to ask: what weapon did the Chechen shepherds use to beat the Russian army? They had neither aviation, nor armored vehicles, nor artillery at all.

          Learn materiel, "sportsman")

          Armed Forces of Ichkeria:

          The commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, according to the Constitution, was the president of the republic.
          Organizational structure:
          The main headquarters of the armed forces of the CRI
          Presidential Regiment of the National Guard
          Special purpose regiment
          Tank regiment
          once loyal to the president of Chechnya, semi-guerrilla "Abkhaz" and "Afghan" battalions, taken by Dudaev under the control of the General Staff (to give them the status of legal military formations)
          Separate aviation detachment
          Aviation Training Center
          Military transport aviation
          other support units
          Military college
          civil defense units
          military registration and enlistment offices and other structures involved in solving problems at the interface "army - society"

          Wikipedia
        2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 16 2021 17: 24
          +5
          Chechen shepherds are a very broad concept, considering that the entire population of Chechnya is less than the population of my city and hardly half of this population fought for Dudayev, but there were many Bandera, Islamic radicals of all stripes and NATO instructors there, so systems like the Czechoslovak large-caliber sniper rifles Elephant, caliber 14,5 mm and other nishtyaks, with which illiterate shepherds did not know how to handle, because this requires special training, I have seen there. In Chechnya, there were many different ATGMs and RPGs, this did not help them, and Saakashvili had drones that did not run against the Russian Air Force ... In Syria, it turns out badly to knock out the T-90 ... Let's wait and see ... captured 200 units of serviceable enemy armored vehicles ...
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) April 16 2021 17: 33
            -4
            The old Russian proverb - "Do not brag about the army while walking ..." - has not lost its relevance to this day, and you are celebrating the victory of the Russian army in advance.
            1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
              Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 16 2021 23: 35
              +4
              Well, in order to defeat the Ukrainian army, an army and weaker than the army of the Russian Federation will suffice, and the UKROPs have not won a single war in their entire existence ... Here is what one decent person wrote about the national anthem of UKROPIA:
              Words, however! Listen only to what those who are singing want to say! That the country is barely alive ("has not yet perished"), that our share will still smile (and now then what?), That in the future "our enemies will perish like dew in the sun" (which means that now the enemies are strong) and "we will reign and we are on our side" (and now it turns out, who are you and where?). And then - "we will lay down a soul, a body for our freedom", that is, now you are not free yet? Let's show that we are a Cossack family - that is, you still need to prove it?
              The song of the exiles, slaves from the homeland captured by the enemy! Or, what is more like, living slaves and dreaming of freedom! And so far not even rebels - nothing is said about the ongoing war, and even more so about victories. The hymn of the wretched, poor - with the melody of a funeral march.
  7. nov_tech.vrn Offline nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn (Michael) April 15 2021 16: 05
    0
    Sergei, what kind of half-measures are you proposing. It is clear that the semi-partisan and small forces, trying to hold Mariupol in 2014, would have been cut off and destroyed, well, you are Seryozha talking about the Russian army, so that the landing on the Danube looks much more effective with cutting off non-brothers from the western borders, and then with the prospect of doing logging in Siberia, to restore the infrastructure of the Donetsk agglomeration.
  8. Mastixin Offline Mastixin
    Mastixin (Ruslan) April 15 2021 16: 21
    +6
    Russia will not let regular troops go there. Saboteurs - yes, mercenaries - yes, but regular troops will only help from afar, a massive targeted strike on the deployment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They will help with intelligence, weapons, equipment. But further, the militias can seize Mariupol and other cities, of course, with the tacit help of Russia. But in the international arena, Russia will claim to have ceased fire, we just sit and watch. And the West will again shoot a video about how Russia used chemical weapons, or they themselves will poison some kind of platoon and they will yell that Russia is poisoning again as a "novice".
    In 2014, Russia also did not take part in the war. But there were a lot of mercenaries. One of my acquaintances went, fought there for a year and a half, two of them were very torn, but did not go. So it will be now, Russia will not introduce troops in the event of an attack by Ukraine, but the number of DPR militias will increase tenfold.
    1. wolf46 Offline wolf46
      wolf46 April 15 2021 16: 48
      +2
      And the presence of hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens in Donbas and the corresponding analogy with Georgia in August 2008 ..
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  10. Dima Dima_2 Offline Dima Dima_2
    Dima Dima_2 (Dima Dima) April 15 2021 16: 49
    -2
    Sofa troops assembled) What Mariupol, what are you talking about. There will be a sea of ​​blood, it is necessary.
  11. MAP Offline MAP
    MAP (Alexey Zigalov) April 15 2021 17: 03
    -1
    Sergey You are great !!!
  12. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) April 15 2021 17: 03
    -1
    Plus to all colleagues, I read with pleasure fellow
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  14. MAP Offline MAP
    MAP (Alexey Zigalov) April 15 2021 17: 17
    0
    There can be no half measures in war. If it's yours, take it back. So it turns out the oligarchs, excuse the elite of the society agreed to give it back, but people, women are still reluctant ???
  15. Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) April 15 2021 17: 46
    +1
    The variant with the landing at the mouth of the Danube is gorgeous and very competent. There are practically no Ukrainian Armed Forces there. The people of Bessarabia are already groaning from ukrovlast. Flowers are provided. Simultaneously landings in the areas between Nikolaev and Odessa, Berdyansk. Do not enter the cities yet, go to the northern borders of the southern regions. Of course, disarming strikes against the Armed Forces of Ukraine and military infrastructure throughout the territory. The surrounded garrisons offer an unarmed exit and amnesty. Or offer local residents a head bounty. They will bring the whole "Azov".
    Further military administration to full order. Proclamation of an independent republic. Then the elections. And a normal life according to your means. There is work where (industry) + ports. It will be a disarming blow to NATO and the rest. They don't like the strong, but they are afraid (respect).
    1. Binder Online Binder
      Binder (Miron) April 16 2021 06: 35
      -6
      Yes, you, my friend, strategist, all the great generals in their graves turn over with envy - you have developed such a brilliant plan! lol However, you had a worthy predecessor, Pasha-Mercedes, who also once intended to restore order in Chechnya with the help of one airborne regiment in three days. History does not teach you anything ...
  16. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) April 15 2021 18: 30
    -6
    - Yes, if Mariupol would not have stayed with Ukraine; then Ukraine would have long ago cut off the water supply for the DPR ... - from the Seversky Donets ... - Or someone doubts it ???
    - And then what ??? - Water for the DPR from the Crimea, or what will be served ??? - Hahah ...
    - Site "sofa" sometimes just amaze with their tu_po_st_ty ...
  17. Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) April 15 2021 18: 38
    +2
    Yes, of course, - there was an agreement between Donbass and Akhmetov, - "don't touch Mariupol -
    Akhmetov sends humanitarian aid to Donbass. "
    But the Ukrainian elite has a more serious version.
    Before the attack on Mariupol, Merkel called Putin and warned: - "If the battles
    in Donbass will not stop - the United States will "cut down" all the Nord Streams of Gazprom to Germany. "
    And not only the Mariupol operation, but the entire operation "Novorossiya" was immediately stopped.
    Therefore, I believe - and today the Russian authorities have their hands tied for any military action in the Donbass.
    The war in Ukraine is needed in order to simultaneously hit the Russian economy and
    the EU economy.
    The outcome of the Second World War - Europe collapsed, the USSR suffered, the USA rose
    to unprecedented heights. In modern war to rise, USA-Britain
    the same, similar situation is needed.
    Why hasn't the war in Donbass started yet?
    After a serious blow to the economies of the EU and Russia, the long-awaited
    World Economic Crisis. China wins. And the United States and Britain are calculating, -
    how the new Economic Crisis will affect them loved ones.
    This is a dialogue, with dear Sergei Marzhetsky, for a new serious article.
    1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) April 15 2021 19: 10
      -5
      Why hasn't the war in Donbass started yet?
      After a serious blow to the economies of the EU and Russia, the long-awaited
      World Economic Crisis. China wins. And the United States and Britain are calculating, -
      how the new Economic Crisis will affect them loved ones.

      - Yes, the war in Donbass is already going on ... - for 7 years already ... - Why start it ...
      - As for the war between Russia and Ukraine; then Russia will drag on to the last ... - Here is the concept - "forcing to peace" ... - and so with Russia they carry out "compulsion to war" ... - From which one can assume that ... what ... that for Russia it is very scary ... - Scary because a blow has been struck on the Russian economy long ago ... - And this blow is the very economic political social criminal-oligarchic management of the state of Russia ...
      - For this reason, Russia today is simply not defensive ... - or rather - "not militarily suitable" ... - Some income from the sale of oil and gas; some income (in recent years) from the supply of agricultural products abroad; some income from the sale of weapons ...
      - But, alas ... - this is not the same economy; relying on which, Russia can wage a war ... - even a local war ... - This was shown by Russia's actions in Syria ...
      - So Russia today simply does not have the means and resources to wage war ... - And the blow to the Russian economy has long been inflicted ...
      - As for China ... - yes ... - China wins ... - It wins because it has chosen the future for itself ... - is to feed on the blood and flesh of Russia ... - And today it is gradually persuading the United States to join to this meal ... - The United States is still hesitating ... - after all, they are used to playing the first violin and making the rules themselves; but it seems that soon they will abandon this snobbery of theirs and accept the rules that China is proposing ...
      - And the World Economic Crisis is completely irrelevant here ... - this is not the point ... Here things unfold more terrible than this crisis ...
  18. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) April 15 2021 19: 20
    -4
    Another delirium from Marzhetsky. He wants war so much that he has already lost his sense of reality.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) April 15 2021 19: 43
      +3
      Why did you immediately lose your sense of reality? it's just that a person adheres to leftist views, believes in the friendship of peoples and in the fact that you can remove a baboon from a donkey and teach him to talk. but mikola, as he relieved the need for a piano, so he will laughing but the oaths of the Muscovites do not understand Mikola laughing
      1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) April 15 2021 20: 37
        -4
        Do you measure by yourself about the need for a piano? Well, not all are like that.
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) April 15 2021 21: 17
          +2
          well, your president can put a device on the piano laughing voted for the people's president laughing
          1. Mykola Onishchenko (Mykola Onishchenko) April 15 2021 21: 21
            -4
            If we want something new, we will choose it in the next elections. And you will stay with your Emperor forever. Nothing depends on you.
            1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
              Just a cat (Bayun) April 15 2021 21: 30
              +6
              how we "envy" you laughing Well, it just doesn't work out to ruin the country and stop its development. not like yours. with each new haidamak it gets worse laughing how good it is to be free, you want to collect strawberries in Poland, you want to wash the toilets. democracy laughing
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              2. Oder Offline Oder
                Oder (Wojciech) April 16 2021 10: 44
                -2
                What's wrong with strawberries? No job is a shame, especially when you get paid four times more than yours.
            2. Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) April 16 2021 04: 08
              +4
              we want, we will choose a new one ...

              Mykola, are you so naive that you think you choose?
            3. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) April 16 2021 14: 54
              +1
              Xo ... chatting with Russian:
              "Your grandchildren will also choose Putin!"
              "Yours too ..." - answers the Russian.

              lol
  19. marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) April 15 2021 23: 22
    0
    No, guys, you are too small, you are no longer needed by Mariupol with your Novorossii, you in 2014 simply set us up and betrayed us, no one will wait for Russia in Mariupol and is not waiting !!!!!
    1. Dear sofa expert. April 15 2021 23: 57
      +5
      No, guys, you are too small, you are not needed by Mariupol with your Novorossias in 2014, you simply framed us and betrayed us, no one will wait for Russia in Mariupol and is not waiting

      And thank God!
      It is high time to decide on the question: "brotherly people", or an enemy state.

      Yes guys! It is one thing to carry out humane "cleansing", with fear of causing "collateral damage" (supposedly), to the "brotherly people", while losing the lives of their own soldiers, ... and quite another: simply and effectively "level with the ground" enemy territories, according to all the rules of the art of war: carpet bombing (like the British during WW2), artillery and rocket attacks, up to the use of weapons of mass destruction (like the Americans in Hiroshima and Nagasaki). Well, yes .. and what to waste time on trifles? Do you want to try it on yourself?

      So who are you? A fraternal people, or an enemy state?

      The choice is yours.
      1. marciz Offline marciz
        marciz (Stas) April 16 2021 01: 34
        0
        Do not threaten, not knowing how it will end !!!! But if so, then it will be the beginning of your end !!!!
        1. Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) April 16 2021 04: 13
          +1
          Yes, it is clear how it will end.
          And about the "beginning of your end", you've been waiting for the eighth year. When will Russia fall apart?
          1. marciz Offline marciz
            marciz (Stas) April 16 2021 23: 19
            0
            Well, let’s shoot missiles at Mariupol, otherwise tryndet don’t roll bags !!!! In 2014, it was necessary to listen to ordinary people and not their liberals !!!!
            1. Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) April 17 2021 05: 18
              0
              Why didn't you listen to people?
              1. marciz Offline marciz
                marciz (Stas) April 17 2021 15: 08
                0
                I am that simple person who was waiting for you, but you stumbled as always !!!
                1. Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) April 17 2021 19: 24
                  0
                  I waited badly.
                  We, in Crimea, waited better.
                  1. marciz Offline marciz
                    marciz (Stas) April 17 2021 23: 37
                    -1
                    Everyone knew that no one would hand over the military base in Sevastopol, you were thoughtful there !!! And we are at the behest of the heart, without preparation and support !! In addition, those who led the city relied on those close to them and not on all the inhabitants, they knew in advance if the people would participate in the expulsion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Bandera, then people would demand normal life from the leadership, and the city's nomenclature could not allow this, so they lost !!! People understood it will not be easier for them under the new power of the current there will be other faces !!
                    1. Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) April 18 2021 05: 12
                      0
                      Your nomenclature, your bank, has leaked you. But Russia is to blame!
                      Truly, hochlism is incurable.
                      1. marciz Offline marciz
                        marciz (Stas) April 21 2021 02: 12
                        0
                        Well, you Ility communicate with each other hate that ordinary Russians that the Ukrainians asked the same Russia is also occupied by scum only more skillfully veiled !!!!
                      2. Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) April 21 2021 04: 18
                        0
                        ABOUT! Vesela pisnya began, about simple and transsexual ...
                        All that you think about the people (c)
                        And you broadcast on behalf of the people.
                        It's bad in Russia, bad in Ukraine, all around are traitors, zradnyky, return to me, D'Artagnan, the USSR ...
                      3. marciz Offline marciz
                        marciz (Stas) April 21 2021 08: 28
                        -2
                        At this time, only moral monsters who feed from a budget trough or the nouveau riche do not know where they came from with their states live well !!
                        Yes, even that the cops who were kindergarten drugs killed half of the people of the USSR is a fact !!!!! And the fact that the athletes went into the service of the anti-national authorities to keep the people in fear of the lawlessness is a shame to the whole sport !!!! And the military is not better than all of the above !!! Maybe the Fourth Horseman on the donkey belongs to them !!!!
                      4. Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) April 21 2021 09: 03
                        0
                        Fuck! how are you, elf! marquis!)), still not killed ApStenu, from suffering?))
  • Binder Online Binder
    Binder (Miron) April 16 2021 06: 47
    -5
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    effectively "level with the ground" enemy territories, according to all the rules of the art of war: carpet bombing

    In the former. The carpet bombing of the Russian Aerospace Forces does not help Syria very much - the "repeatedly defeated" opponents of Assad are somehow not translated.

    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    So who are you? A fraternal people, or an enemy state?

    Experience shows that having the Russian Federation in brothers is so preferable to be lonely as a finger. yes
    1. Dear sofa expert. April 16 2021 12: 02
      +4
      In the former. Syria's carpet bombing of the Russian Aerospace Forces does not help much

      You apparently have nothing to do on the sites of the "Military Review", if you can not even distinguish the infliction of pinpoint strikes, from the "carpet bombing".

      "Carpet bombing" - continuous, intensive, sequential bombing of large areas, usually inhabited localities.

      https://ru.m.wikipedia.org

      So that's it. To date, this, frankly, barbaric method, has so far been engaged, and exclusively by the United States and its allies (Great Britain).

      the method of bombing an area from high altitudes (as a rule, we form at the command of the leader), which was used during massive raids by strategic bomber aircraft of the United States and allies at the end of World War II and post-war conflicts

      Wiki

      But in the case of a state that is openly hostile to Russia, which is today's Ukraine, Russia will be forced to take such extreme measures. She just won't have time for sentiment. The first strike will destroy everything in the immediate vicinity of the Russian borders.
      Both Ukrainians and (unfortunately!) Europeans (all taken together) will simply be taken and smeared on the earth's crust.

      After that, the Americans will find that they are face to face and face to face against Russia.

      It is then that the "shabby white-headed bird - scavenger" will have a chance to try "with his own hands" to peck an angry Russian bear in the eye.

      And something tells me that the last thing this bird will hear will be the crunch of its own frail neck.
      At what it will happen even faster than she smells her shit.

      "repeatedly defeated" opponents of Assad somehow everything is not translated

      When the rotation of the entire Russian army is carried out, then they will finish the exercises at the "Syrian training ground."

      But I heard that the Americans in Afghanistan crap ... they are already screeching.)
  • Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery Bogatov) April 16 2021 06: 34
    +4
    If the wheel of war spins in Ukraine, Russia will no longer make stupid mistakes and will go to victory. The meaning of Russia to help or take Berdyansk or Mariupol while steering Ukraine will remain Bandera's shortcomings and the lever of influence (the United States) by the name of Nezalezhnaya will remain. - it was clear to everyone that you rock the boat, then there will be a question about the statehood of Ukraine
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  • Georgij Offline Georgij
    Georgij (Yuri) April 16 2021 06: 58
    0
    So all these events are solid agreements. The "elite" admitted to the information had prepared in advance. Facts? And study the situation around the Yalta-Intourist hotel. How technically, half a year before the start of the Maidan, this property was sold to itself through an offshore company and transferred to Russian management. And this is far from an isolated case. Correct me if I'm wrong.
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 16 2021 07: 41
    0
    Quote: nov_tech.vrn
    Sergei, what kind of half-measures are you proposing. It is clear that the semi-partisan and small forces, trying to hold Mariupol in 2014, would have been cut off and destroyed, well, you are Seryozha talking about the Russian army, so that the landing on the Danube looks much more effective with cutting off non-brothers from the western borders, and then with the prospect of doing logging in Siberia, to restore the infrastructure of the Donetsk agglomeration.

    Well, go ahead then.
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 16 2021 07: 44
    0
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Yes, you, my friend, strategist, all the great generals in their graves turn over with envy - you have developed such a brilliant plan! lol However, you had a worthy predecessor, Pasha-Mercedes, who also once intended to restore order in Chechnya with the help of one airborne regiment in three days. History does not teach you anything ...

    Waiting for you in Ukraine as a volunteer, do I understand correctly? tongue
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 16 2021 07: 48
    +2
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    The fantasy of Mr. Marzhetsky gushes. What are the landings from the sea to Mariupol, what are the seizures of Berdyansk and the land corridor to the Crimea? I have a serious suspicion that Mr. Marzhetsky not only retired from military service at one time, but even never fired from a slingshot in childhood - he was an obedient boy, it is from such obedient boys that the most aggressive analysts grow up.

    He fired from a slingshot, from a homemade bow, won in the bear dash more than once.
    Obedient was far from always wink And I think I am a fairly moderate analyst, unlike many of my colleagues. You just get through because I am writing everything correctly. tongue
    And you, with your pathos of a Ukrainian emigrant, as I understand it, are a real commando soldier
    Have a lot of Arabs been killed? Will you volunteer to go to Donbass, show your former compatriots how to "kill Russians" correctly?
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  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 16 2021 08: 10
    +1
    Quote: Sapsan136
    Will they repel the attack of the Russian army with heavy losses ?! Morzhetsky writes a lot of nonsense, but now you have surpassed him on the head .. Who will smash the Russian army, Bandera criminals with antique weapons !?

    First, there is no need to distort my name.
    Secondly, about "a lot of nonsense." Don't you take on a lot?
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 16 2021 08: 13
    0
    Quote: 123
    Try to answer the questions:
    1) Why is the front line in the suburb of Donetsk and not on the administrative border of the region?

    I have an answer to this question. Only nobody will like it, so I won't write here.
  • Vladimir Alekseevich (Vladimir) April 16 2021 14: 02
    0
    I think that now there is no need to waste time on trifles and it is time to dash to Berlin again.
  • marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) April 16 2021 23: 28
    -1
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    effectively "level with the ground" enemy territories, according to all the rules of the art of war: carpet bombing

    In the former. The carpet bombing of the Russian Aerospace Forces does not help Syria very much - the "repeatedly defeated" opponents of Assad are somehow not translated.

    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    So who are you? A fraternal people, or an enemy state?

    Experience shows that having the Russian Federation in brothers is so preferable to be lonely as a finger. yes

    Well done!! There are also smart people in Odessa !!!
    1. bear040 Offline bear040
      bear040 April 18 2021 12: 26
      +4
      Compare the birth rate among Arabs and Ukrainians at your leisure. If the tricksters start to fight like the Arabs, they will quickly end
  • A global paragraph is approaching, and loot to spend in Ukraine zapadlo. For Russia, it is better for Donbass to freeze for 5 years, and then it will be seen.
  • pld Offline pld
    pld (Valery) April 19 2021 00: 34
    0
    All of Ukraine must be taken away. There should be no half-hearted solutions. And Banderlog forced to flee to the Poles for reprisal.
  • pld Offline pld
    pld (Valery) April 19 2021 00: 59
    -1
    The problem must be solved radically, once and for all.
    1) The capture of Kiev by a landing party and a tank throw. The arrest of the entire ruling head.
    2) Closure of air and western borders. Destruction of everything flying and driving.
    3) Capture of Odessa and Nikolaev.
    4) For everything about everything 2-3 days.
    5) Acceptance of the surrender of the surrounded Donbass group. Whoever does not give up is destroyed.
    6) Rada is isolated for 3 days in its conference room. On the 4th day, she unanimously adopts the Law on Ukraine's entry into Russia.
  • Denis Malygin Offline Denis Malygin
    Denis Malygin (Denis Malygin) April 22 2021 11: 51
    0
    The battles for Ukraine will not unfold. Everything else is Yours, stop talking utter nonsense.