"Warsaw Pacts": Ukraine is trying to involve NATO in the conflict in Donbass


While the Armed Forces of Ukraine are accumulating a shock fist in the Donbass, the Ukrainian delegation refuses to go to the Belarusian capital, demanding to replace it with a different site. Warsaw or another "neutral" country is proposed as an alternative. What is Kiev trying to achieve by this, and how should Moscow and the DPR and LPR react to such initiatives?

Several far-reaching conclusions can be drawn from this diplomatic demarche.

Firstly, it should be admitted that the Minsk negotiation format has obviously ordered a long life. The rather naive plans of the Kremlin to “shove” the DPR and LPR back into the Independent on its own terms and achieve its subsequent reformatting from within (as staff and volunteer propagandists have been explaining to us for years) have failed. Kiev expects surrender and uncomplaining return from "certain regions", and those seven years that were ineptly spent on stupid negotiations, Ukraine spent on preparing its army for revenge according to the current "Karabakh scenario".

The root of this problem is that Nezalezhnaya today is not a sovereign state, but is under external control by the United States and the European Union, which, if possible, pull the blanket over themselves. The EU does not need a full-scale war in eastern Ukraine for nothing, but the American "hawks" in the White House are interested in it. If Kiev were truly independent, perhaps Moscow would have found a compromise with it on both Crimea and Donbass, but in our geopolitical realities this is simply impossible. Any agreements with the Ukrainian leadership will not cost a penny. Everything is decided by Washington, that is why the so-called Minister for the Temporarily Occupied Territories, the famous practicing lawyer Alexei Reznikov, directly suggested that the United States and Poland be involved in the negotiations.

Secondly, Kiev has clearly taken a course towards cooling relations with neighboring Belarus. In 2014, President Lukashenko happily offered his capital as a neutral platform for a political settlement of the conflict in Donbas, significantly increasing his international prestige in the eyes of the West. However, after the ambiguous election results in the past 2020, his relations with his European neighbors and the United States have cooled sharply, and Alexander Grigorievich himself has rapidly lost all the points he has accumulated. At the same time, Minsk fell out with Kiev, which tried to show solidarity with its older comrades. Now on Belarusian television, President Zelensky is fervently ridiculed for the “streamers” that he takes off while his people crawl through the garbage dumps in search of food. Ukrainian humorists did not remain in debt, calling the whole of Belarus "a lackey of Russia".

Now Kiev is openly molding from Belarus the image of an external enemy, from where Russian tanks can allegedly rush to the Ukrainian capital. Have already begun to manifest economic the consequences of such a cooling of relations. Lviv defiantly refused a batch of 100 MAZ buses. I wonder what will happen if Minsk together with Moscow refuses to supply oil products to Nezalezhnaya?

Thirdly, the choice of a site alternative to Minsk attracts attention. Among others, Ukrainian diplomats singled out the Polish capital with the following wording:

Because there will be no questions - we have not always been friends with Poland ... Therefore, no one will say that Poland is a loyal eternal friend of Ukraine. It would be okay.

That the two countries have not always been friends is a rather strange argument. Today Warsaw is objectively an interested party in preventing Ukraine from swinging back towards Russia. For example, Poland is making plans to start re-exporting American LNG to Independent, and for this it is necessary that direct purchases from Gazprom are no longer resumed. Polish oil and gas company PGNiG has entered into an investment agreement with Energy Resources of Ukraine (ERU) on joint exploration and development of gas fields in the west of the country in the Lviv region. While confusion and vacillation reign in Independence, millions of Ukrainians have moved to Poland to work, providing this actively developing country with inexpensive labor.

But this is not even the main problem. The fact is that Poland is a full member of the North Atlantic Alliance, as well as the United States, which means that Kiev is trying to make the NATO military bloc an indirect participant in the process of political settlement in Donbass. And this is a completely different alignment, which, in principle, cannot suit either Moscow, Donetsk or Lugansk. If Minsk pointedly tried not to get involved in the negotiation moments, then this should not be expected from Warsaw, as an interested party. But that's not all.

Let us remind you that Ukraine officially recognized the DPR and LPR as "terrorist organizations." Just a few days ago, ex-President Leonid Kravchuk made a real hysteria over the participation of journalist Maya Pirogova in the negotiations from Donetsk:

The Ukrainian delegation has already demonstrated its position: as soon as this person appears in the negotiations, we will not even explain why, but we leave the negotiations for a period until Heidi Grau achieves her exclusion from the negotiation process.

One can easily imagine what political the circus will start if the meetings take place on the territory of the interested party. Perhaps, at Kiev's request, the "terrorists" will even be arrested and handed over to the Ukrainian "justice".
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  1. Oder Offline Oder
    Oder (Wojciech) April 8 2021 14: 52
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    Item 1.
    Poland never entered Ukraine by force. The western part (Małopolska Wsch / Galicja Wsch) was inherited by Kazimierz Vlko from the prince of Galicia Boleslav II in 1340, and after a short Hungarian rule, it was officially incorporated into the crown by Jadwiga in 1387. This region was NEVER part of Moscow / Russia until 1945 (occupied by the Russians in 1914-15 and 1939-1941). Eastern Ukraine from 1320 depended on Lithuania, and from 1369 - a part of the Grand Duke of Lithuania, annexed to the Crown as a result of the Union of Lublin in 1569 as part of the Lesser Poland Voivodeship until 1793. Probably the source of the difference between Ukrainians and Russians is the fact that the Rusyns were in the European cultural and political sphere since the 14th century, while Moscow, after gaining independence in 1490, retained the system of government inherited from the Mongols in many countries. respects to this day. By the way, the term "Russia / Russians" did not exist until the 1853th century, it was invented in order to emphasize the "eternal rights" of Moscow to all Rusyn lands. Napoleon fought not with "Russia", but with Moscow (Muscovy), in the November uprising "Khlopitsky leads us before Moskala", the allies fought with Moscow / Muscovites (Muscovy / Muscovites) during the Crimean War of 1. and still during the XNUMXst century AD. The legionnaires "beat the Muscovites."

    Item 2.
    Ukraine is an artificial post-Soviet creation composed by Stalin from lands appropriated by Poland, Romania, Hungary and Russia, inhabited by nationally undefined human magma. Its demolition and the return of these stolen lands to their rightful owners could be an excellent factor for the integration of this part of Europe, a counterbalance to the degenerated European Union and a guarantee of security in the region. Of course, we should leave the strictly controlled territory - the inium of these countries, in which especially staunch Ukrainians would forever be saturated with the criminal miasma of Bandera. On the other hand, the majority of the inhabitants of today's Ukraine, due to the complete lack of a sense of national identity, separate culture and history, would easily assimilate and make up a useful labor force.
    ...
    The fact that Ukraine has never been culturally part of the Moscow state does not mean that it is “Polish”. In addition to the Commonwealth and the Moscow state, there was also Kiev Little Russia, a state that was once very strong and had great cultural potential. Ukraine is a real heir to the cultural heritage, territory and people of Russia. Not Asian Moscow, not Roman Catholic Warsaw, but Orthodox Kiev - Kiev's successor
    1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) April 8 2021 15: 09
      +1
      Stop!
      But what about the Sumerians?
      And who dug the sea?
    2. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) April 8 2021 15: 23
      0
      Wonderful post! I hung it up for everyone, especially the "Muscovites", that is, it is impartial to me, sorry, I forgot the Germans and Austrians ...
      Plus with pleasure, come on again!
      Peter.
    3. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) April 8 2021 15: 27
      +3
      some kind of alternative history. Kiev was completely destroyed in 1240. This is with regard to cultural heritage. and to whom and where did the haidamaks staged the massacre do not need to be reminded? And also where did the Russian empire have Kiev from? Cossack Mamai was apparently not a Horde Tatar Khan Mamai, but an enlightened European? laughing in "Asian" Moscow squares as in Kiev are not called Maidan in Turkish.
    4. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) April 8 2021 16: 12
      +4
      For Wojciech, point by point:
      Item 3. Russian Orthodox Church. Date of foundation: December 15, 1448 - Not Moscow, but Russian!
      Point 4. How could St. Petersburg become the capital of Muscovy? Then it is already St. Petersburg turns out!
      Point 5. Peter the First - The last Tsar of All Russia and the first Emperor of All Russia. Not Moskkovia and not the Moscow emperor, but the All-Russian!
    5. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) April 8 2021 18: 13
      +5
      Poland never entered Ukraine by force. The western part (Małopolska Wsch / Galicja Wsch) was inherited by Kazimierz Vlko from the prince of Galicia Boleslav II in 1340, and after a short Hungarian rule, it was officially incorporated into the crown by Jadwiga in 1387.

      Is everything exceptionally peaceful? Was Golitsiya Hungarian and suddenly Polish? But did not the war for the Galicia-Volyn inheritance begin in this very year 1340? Was it not as a result of its results that Golitsia became part of the Kingdom of Poland? Then, as a dowry for the wedding, went to Hungary? Galicia "went from hand to hand", it was captured, given, returned, and so on. The main thing is that everything is peaceful and if it was not Polish then it is "short-lived", which means it does not count laughing Didn't Lvov and Galich retreat to Prussia in 1772 and the Polish Seim did not approve of this in 1773? The flatland was divided several times, at times such a country simply did not exist, and Poland itself was part of Russia.

      This region was NEVER part of Moscow / Russia until 1945 (occupied by the Russians in 1914-15 and 1939-1941).

      Was it always a part of Warsaw / Poland? So the Poles never occupied it? After the defeat of Napoleon and at the same time his Polish allies, these lands were not part of the Russian Empire? By the way, how about Gdansk? What about his occupation? Not going to return?

      Probably the source of the difference between Ukrainians and Russians is the fact that Rusyns have been in the European cultural and political sphere since the 14th century, while Moscow, after gaining independence in 1490, retained a system of government inherited from the Mongols in many countries. respects to this day.

      Probably the differences lie in the fact that the Poles wandered from hand to hand as a result of repeated partitions of the country and they simply do not understand what order is. The landowner's freemen more than once destroyed the country.

      By the way, the term "Russia / Russians" did not exist until the 1853th century, it was invented in order to emphasize the "eternal rights" of Moscow to all Rusyn lands. Napoleon fought not with "Russia", but with Moscow (Muscovy), in the November uprising "Khlopitsky leads us before Moskala", the allies fought with Moscow / Muscovites (Muscovy / Muscovites) during the Crimean War of 1. and still during the XNUMXst century AD. Legionnaires "beat the Muscovites."

      It is only in Polish heads that way. Surely Poland never existed either, the names were constantly changing, I will call this formation Pshekland so as not to get confused, I hope this will not offend you hi
      I doubt very much that Napoleon used the Psheklyand terminology. Can you give examples? Anything from official correspondence?

      Ukraine is an artificial post-Soviet creation composed by Stalin from lands appropriated by Poland, Romania, Hungary and Russia, inhabited by nationally undefined human magma. Its demolition and the return of these stolen lands to their rightful owners could be an excellent factor for the integration of this part of Europe, a counterbalance to the degenerated European Union and a guarantee of security in the region.

      I agree in many ways, but there are exceptions. Lenin had a hand in this, Kharkiv and Donbass became Ukrainian even under him. Land reclaim is probably a great idea. good Lviv is a Russian city yes But such questions must be approached with caution.

      Of course, we should leave the strictly controlled territory - the inium of these countries, in which especially staunch Ukrainians would forever be saturated with the criminal miasma of Bandera. On the other hand, the majority of the inhabitants of today's Ukraine, due to the complete lack of a sense of national identity, separate culture and history, would easily assimilate and make up a useful labor force.

      Life teaches you nothing laughing Everything would be taken away and divided by you. No wonder Pshekland was called the hyena of Europe. How about you share one more time? How do you like this idea?smile

      The fact that Ukraine has never been culturally part of the Moscow state does not mean that it is "Polish".

      How did I enter yes And she really isn't Polish.

      In addition to the Commonwealth and the Moscow state, there was also Kiev Little Russia, a state that was once very strong and had great cultural potential. Ukraine is a real heir to the cultural heritage, territory and people of Russia.

      It was one state, it was just that the capital was moving.

      Not Asian Moscow, not Roman Catholic Warsaw, but Orthodox Kiev - Kiev's successor

      What ambition fellow Is Catholicism Not Roman? Catholic schismatics and heretics from the backyards of Europe claim Roman greatness? laughing
      1. Oder Offline Oder
        Oder (Wojciech) April 9 2021 11: 15
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        This is only true in Polish heads. Surely Poland never existed either, the names were constantly changing, I will call this formation Pshekland so as not to get confused, I hope this will not offend you hi
        I doubt very much that Napoleon used the Psheklyand terminology. Can you give examples? Anything from official correspondence?

        I had to google it because I didn't know what the psh was about.

        The nickname "psheki" came from the fact that the inhabitants of neighboring countries saw the Polish language as rustling, in which the sound "sh" is often heard. A few examples of the sound of Polish words: sorry, ladies and gentlemen (some people use this as "glue" for their statements), future, past.
        Many words in Polish begin with "psze". There is nothing negative about the "rustle" of their speech, just a feature noticed by discerning neighbors. But "walking" is an essential attribute of snakes and other visually unpleasant and sometimes poisonous animals. Therefore, if someone wants to catch a Pole, he mentions a snake or something like that (chiena?) And puts all his disgust in the word "pszek".

        Personally, I am not outraged by the fact that I am "pshek" - I treat this term neutrally and treat it as a nickname caused by the phonetic peculiarities of the Polish language.
  2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker April 8 2021 15: 20
    +1
    what will happen if Minsk together with Moscow refuses to supply oil products to Independent?

    I can’t wait for this. Money is always put above the interests of Russia and the lives of people!
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) April 8 2021 15: 37
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      Volkonsky's dream will come true and they will all die there. diesel fuel is not only poured into the tanks, but the harvesters also need it.
  3. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper April 8 2021 15: 27
    +2
    Polandactively participating in the Kiev Maidan coup-2014 and the escalation of the punitive Anti-People's Terrorist Operation in Donbass, First of all, it pursues its main strategic goals for the annexation of a part (the so-called "Kresov Vskhudnykh", well, how many more will it be possible to do this "from Mozha to Mozha" under the guise of ") the territory of the amerocolony" Ukraine "!
    And all sorts of commercial "schemes" of selling something there, being robbed by the kleptoligarchs - "w / Bandera" and the rapidly impoverished Ukrainian population, are for Warsaw only accompanying "nishtyaks" in a savage way with the Nazis, they profited in every possible way even on the "disposal" of the corpses of executed prisoners, fertilizing their gardens and orchards with ashes!) - "to force the victim to pay in full to his murderers!"
    IMHO
  4. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
    Anna Tim (Anna) April 10 2021 00: 33
    +1
    With whom only Ze is not compared and with Pug barking at an elephant, knowing that there is a strong master nearby, or even with what a stupid but cocky little animal. In my opinion, he looks like a capricious spoiled puny boy who, however, likes to bully his peers much stronger than himself, being sure that he will be protected either by his "older brother-karate" or by a dad with cool bodyguards and money. The boy, doing dirty tricks, warns in advance about the presence of a strong hand in his defense. Sound familiar? This is a syndrome of a weak and insecure person, and therefore a pitiful one. Ze is literally on his knees asking to include the country in NATO. And then he will show Russia! If he wants, NATO will return Crimea to him, he wants the Ural Mountains, or Siberia. Tremble quilted jackets! But NATO does not yet have the opportunity to include Ukraine in its composition - there is separatism in the country, i.e. rebellious republics. And they are not going to spend money on trifles. It is no longer a secret to anyone that NATO is practically the personal army of one country - the United States, which conducts campaigns (military adventures) exclusively in the interests of its country (or rather, personal interests in enriching the "money bags" in power, often to the detriment of its own people) and will not scatter, especially for small allies. Examples of this are at least Georgia and Turkey. But which is not sickly supported by the money not only (and not so much) of US taxpayers, but also of Europe (NATO member countries). On the one hand, on the other hand, the United States really wants to start a war in Europe, punish the Nord Stream, weaken mainly Germany, once again accuse Russia of "atrocities" for further sanctions, weaken it, because loving war is an expensive pleasure. This is the first, the second - they are interested in seeing our new weapons in action, in particular hypersonic missiles. But not on their own territory to test them, when there is a willing and obsessed dependent and servile Ukraine that is stuck up to its throat in debt. Begging for membership in the EEC, now in NATO. The United States hesitates how to arrange all of the above, and not get a response from Russia. And what will happen to Ukraine is the tenth thing. Time will tell how events unfold, but for now there is a pretty cool "muscle play".
  5. Gadlei Offline Gadlei
    Gadlei April 10 2021 11: 38
    0
    the most real disinterested country can offer them Kabul.
  6. Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) April 10 2021 15: 17
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    Quote: Odra
    Item 1.
    Poland never entered Ukraine by force. The western part (Małopolska Wsch / Galicja Wsch) was inherited by Kazimierz Vlko from the prince of Galicia Boleslav II in 1340, and after a short Hungarian rule, it was officially incorporated into the crown by Jadwiga in 1387. This region was NEVER part of Moscow / Russia until 1945 (occupied by the Russians in 1914-15 and 1939-1941). Eastern Ukraine from 1320 depended on Lithuania, and from 1369 - a part of the Grand Duke of Lithuania, annexed to the Crown as a result of the Union of Lublin in 1569 as part of the Lesser Poland Voivodeship until 1793. Probably the source of the difference between Ukrainians and Russians is the fact that the Rusyns were in the European cultural and political sphere since the 14th century, while Moscow, after gaining independence in 1490, retained the system of government inherited from the Mongols in many countries. respects to this day. By the way, the term "Russia / Russians" did not exist until the 1853th century, it was invented in order to emphasize the "eternal rights" of Moscow to all Rusyn lands. Napoleon fought not with "Russia", but with Moscow (Muscovy), in the November uprising "Khlopitsky leads us before Moskala", the allies fought with Moscow / Muscovites (Muscovy / Muscovites) during the Crimean War of 1. and still during the XNUMXst century AD. The legionnaires "beat the Muscovites."

    Item 2.
    Ukraine is an artificial post-Soviet creation composed by Stalin from lands appropriated by Poland, Romania, Hungary and Russia, inhabited by nationally undefined human magma. Its demolition and the return of these stolen lands to their rightful owners could be an excellent factor for the integration of this part of Europe, a counterbalance to the degenerated European Union and a guarantee of security in the region. Of course, we should leave the strictly controlled territory - the inium of these countries, in which especially staunch Ukrainians would forever be saturated with the criminal miasma of Bandera. On the other hand, the majority of the inhabitants of today's Ukraine, due to the complete lack of a sense of national identity, separate culture and history, would easily assimilate and make up a useful labor force.
    ...
    The fact that Ukraine has never been culturally part of the Moscow state does not mean that it is “Polish”. In addition to the Commonwealth and the Moscow state, there was also Kiev Little Russia, a state that was once very strong and had great cultural potential. Ukraine is a real heir to the cultural heritage, territory and people of Russia. Not Asian Moscow, not Roman Catholic Warsaw, but Orthodox Kiev - Kiev's successor

    Judging by the text, Wojciech has a sanitary (washing toilets) or agricultural (strawberry picking) relationship to Poland, and the Pole moved from a non-fallow one.