The main goal of the war in Donbass is not the return of the region


Another "autumn aggravation" is observed in Ukraine. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are actively pulling into the Donbass, as well as to the border of the Russian Crimea. The likelihood of them carrying out provocations or even a full-scale attack on the DPR and LPR is extremely high. But why is Kiev puzzled by an attempt at military revenge for the defeat of 2014 right now?


The most popular point of view is that President Volodymyr Zelensky, who turned out to be by no means "Goloborodko" and therefore rapidly lost his ratings, was inspired by Azerbaijan's "Karabakh" experience and decided to gain popularity at the expense of "small and victorious". Also in favor of this version is the coming to power in the United States of the Democratic Party, which is considered the main inspirer and organizer of the Ukrainian Maidan in 2014. For the current American President Joe Biden, 11 Bankova Street, which in Kiev is, in fact, a personal overseas working office. However, if you dig deeper, you almost always find out what kind of policies is economy, and Ukrainians and Russians will kill each other for who will control financial flows in foreign currency.

As you know, after the Maidan, the Kremlin staked on the construction of two bypass pipelines, the Turkish Stream and Nord Stream-2. It was assumed that after putting them into operation, Gazprom will be able to finally get rid of its dependence on the Ukrainian gas transportation system once and for all. With the expectation that Nord Stream 2021 will start working in early 2, the Russian gas monopoly signed a transit agreement with Kiev for a period of 5 years. Last year, Gazprom pumped 65 billion cubic meters of gas through Nezalezhnaya, and this and the next three will have to - 40 billion cubic meters, respectively. We will return to this agreement in more detail a little later.

So, what do we have at the moment. Turkish Stream consists of two lines, through which up to 31,5 billion cubic meters of gas must be pumped per year. The first is designed to meet the domestic needs of Turkey itself, and the second - for transit further to the countries of South-Eastern Europe. On January 1, 2021, the Balkan Stream, a continuation of the Turkish Stream, leading to Bulgaria and Serbia, was put into operation. Belgrade, friendly to Moscow, began to receive Russian gas bypassing Ukraine. Soon, when the pipeline is extended further, Gazprom is to begin deliveries to Hungary and Slovakia. And for Kiev it is extremely dangerous, as noted by the head of the "Operator of GTS of Ukraine" Serhiy Makogon:

After the launch of the Turkish Stream, transit to Turkey, Greece and Bulgaria was completely transferred from Ukraine to new gas pipelines. And from April 1, gas supply to Romania is fully provided by Bulgaria through the "Turkish Stream". Currently, transit is carried out only for consumers from Moldova. If the construction of the "Turkish Stream" through Bulgaria and Serbia is completed, Gazprom will transfer through it and transit to Hungary.

The official said that for Independent as a transit country, this means a loss of 10 to 12 billion cubic meters of gas per year. All in all, 17,75 billion cubic meters can be pumped annually through the second string of the Turkish Stream to the countries of South-Eastern Europe, plus Ankara will choose as much gas as it needs. Therefore, the aforementioned Sergei Makogon stated in plain text that it is extremely important for Ukraine to prevent the completion of Nord Stream 2. As a matter of fact, this is the main reason for the current "spring exacerbation".

It should be reminded that up to 2 billion cubic meters of gas can be pumped through Nord Stream 55 a year. He alone is able to compensate for the 40 billion that Gazprom pledged to pump until 2024. True, the amendments to the EU's Third Energy Package were forced to leave one of its lines empty, artificially reducing the pipeline's throughput capacity by half, to 27,5 billion cubic meters. But even this, together with the transit line of the Turkish Stream, would have been enough for the domestic monopolist to fulfill its obligations on deliveries to Europe, which are now going through Ukraine.

This means that if at the moment Turkish Stream and Nord Stream 2 were fully completed and put into operation, Russia could do without Kiev's services. And now we return to the issue of the already existing 5-year transit agreement with Nezalezhnaya. Is it possible to refuse it at all by a willful decision and not execute it? Alas, it won't work that easily. The contract was concluded in accordance with the European principle of "take or pay", that is, Gazprom will have to pay Kiev the agreed $ 5 billion for these 7 years in any case. It will not work to get out, Ukraine will undoubtedly be able to recover them through a European court.

If Moscow had both bypass pipelines in operation today, it could have redirected "Ukrainian volumes" to them, paying Kiev what was stipulated in the contract, and pursuing a tougher policy towards Kiev. Theoretically, one could seriously speculate about some kind of forceful solution to the problem. But that is precisely why Ukraine, or rather the United States behind it, is now playing ahead of the curve. Only 2% of its total length remains to be laid along Nord Stream 5, then it will still need to be certified somehow. Provided that Germany favors this energy project, Berlin could try again to knock out for it another exception from the norms of the Third Energy Package in order to completely fill both of its lines with gas. However, all this will go to waste in the event of a full-scale war in the East of Ukraine.

If Russian troops officially appear on the territory of Donbass, which are now demonstratively pulling towards the border, and begin to "iron" the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Kiev will declare aggression from Moscow and provide evidence, and Washington and Brussels will support it. Another package of anti-Russian sanctions will be introduced, which will either completely block Nord Stream 2, and at the same time the Balkan Stream, or make their work impossible in normal mode. The United States will get its hands on an instrument of forced "shutdown" of Russian gas pipelines in Europe, taking control of our exports. Such gloomy prospects are looming.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) April 6 2021 13: 24
    +2
    However, all this will go to dust in the event of a full-scale war in the East of Ukraine.

    It depends on who starts this war. If Ukraine, then it has tore up the Minsk agreements, approved by the UN Security Council and the Russian Federation, as the guarantor of these agreements will begin an operation to enforce peace. Here it will be difficult for NATO members to object to such a formulation of the question.
    1. Awaz Offline Awaz
      Awaz (Walery) April 7 2021 20: 43
      +4
      unfortunately nobody cares. Ginatsvali attacked the Russian peacekeepers out of lawlessness. This is an international crime and should be severely punished. Well, for example, Misha should have been hanged by the decision of an international court as Saddam, at least.
  2. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery Bogatov) April 6 2021 15: 33
    +2
    If the Bandera members move forward, then I am 100% sure that here Russia will have nothing to lose and it will have to completely "destroy" the lever of pressure on us in the form of a square. And Putin has already said what will happen if the Bandera junta twitches. I think that then it will not care about sp2 and to the Balkan branch, since we are modernizing the Ukrainian GTS that has already become ours and will drive gas through it to Europe without any contracts
  3. wolf46 Online wolf46
    wolf46 April 6 2021 15: 36
    +4
    Quote: Bulanov
    It depends on who starts this war.

    In any case, Russia will be declared guilty: examples of this are countless. And it will not be possible not to intervene, at least by volunteers (statement of the head of the union) and supplies of equipment (for example, the recent batch of UAZs). Last - only flowers will be in the event of a renewal of the war.
  4. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
    Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) April 6 2021 17: 25
    -8
    With what impatience they are waiting here for when Ukraine will finally begin active hostilities. Like, well, now we are for them! And they, scoundrels, still do not. And if they do not start at all, then what?
    1. Michael Malovichko (Michael Malovichko) April 6 2021 22: 05
      +1
      If Finland attacked the mighty USSR, then Ukraine is definitely within its power
      1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) April 7 2021 02: 28
        0
        This is when Finland attacked the USSR? The USSR, yes, did attack, but so that on the contrary I don’t remember that.
        1. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) April 7 2021 12: 26
          +2
          Some DBLBL pseudo-historians have appeared. Is it okay that Finland has practically openly declared that it claims to East Karelia? And some Finnish politicians generally dreamed of a "Greater Finland" extending to the Urals? In addition, by the time the war began, Finland supported Germany and was preparing for a future war - a purge of the population was carried out, incl. Russian-speaking (through concentration camps, by the way).

          Troops were drawn to the border with the USSR. The Soviet leadership understood everything perfectly and, seeing the approach of a new world war, sought to secure the north-western borders. Of particular importance was Leningrad - the second capital of the USSR, a powerful industrial, scientific and cultural center, as well as the main base of the Baltic Fleet. Finnish long-range artillery could shell the city from its border, and ground troops could reach Leningrad in one dash. The fleet of a potential enemy (Germany or England and France) could easily break through to Kronstadt, and then Leningrad.

          To protect the city, it was necessary to move the land border on land, as well as to restore the distant line of defense at the entrance to the Gulf of Finland, having received a place for fortifications on the northern and southern shores. The largest fleet of the Soviet Union, the Baltic, was actually blocked in the eastern part of the Gulf of Finland. The Baltic Fleet had only one base - Kronstadt. Kronstadt and Soviet ships could be hit by long-range guns from the Finnish coastal defense. This situation could not satisfy the Soviet leadership.

          At the same time, no one mentions something that the USSR tried to solve everything peacefully, incl. offering the aforementioned East Karelia, all kinds of loans and benefits. To which, in fact, the Nazi at that time Finland refused. Naturally, the Soviet command did not want to divide the army at the beginning of the war with Germany. In Finland, began a general mobilization and evacuation of the civilian population from the border areas. Incidents have become more frequent at the border. On November 26, 1939, there was a border incident near the village of Mainila and all subsequent events.

          So Finland was not so peaceful and harmless. Her participation in the war on the side of Nazi Germany could greatly change the course of the Second World War, incl. not in favor of the USSR.
          1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
            Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) April 7 2021 14: 35
            -4
            So who attacked whom in the Soviet-Finnish war?
            1. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) April 7 2021 15: 57
              +1
              DIRECT PROVOCATION OF THE FINLAND MILITARY

              November 26 1939 years

              According to the headquarters of the Leningrad District, on November 26 at 15:45, our troops, located a kilometer north-west of Mainila, were unexpectedly shelled from Finnish territory by artillery fire. In total, the Finns fired seven cannon shots. Three Red Army men and one junior commander were killed, seven Red Army men, one junior commander and one junior lieutenant were wounded. Colonel Tikhomirov, head of the first department of the District Headquarters, was sent for on-site investigation. The provocation caused huge indignation in the units located in the area of ​​the Finnish artillery attack.

              The Soviet government turned to the Finnish authorities with an official note, in which it claimed that the shots were fired from Finnish territory. In order to prevent new incidents, the Soviet authorities demanded the withdrawal of Finnish troops 20-25 kilometers from the border.

              PS I'm sure that Lavrov knows you personally - dblbld :-)
              1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
                Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) April 11 2021 08: 23
                -4
                And, the famous "Mainil incident", as we know, this is when the USSR staged a provocation like the one that the Nazis staged in Gleiwitz. But what does your sad horse have to do with it?
        2. Denis fed Offline Denis fed
          Denis fed (Denis Fed) April 12 2021 23: 46
          +1
          You don’t remember ... Finland attacked on May 15, 1918 and the war went on until 1920.
    2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) April 7 2021 10: 23
      +3
      And you, Nathan, as you can see, are on the side of the followers of the Nazis, who killed 6 million Jews?
      1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) April 7 2021 14: 35
        -5
        Are Finns followers of the Nazis? This is something new.
        1. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) April 7 2021 16: 11
          +3
          The kid is uneducated. In 1941, Finland, driven by resentment and a thirst for revenge for defeat in the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940, entered the war against the USSR as withally of Nazi Germany. Finnish propaganda presented this conflict as a "continuation war", meaning that the Finns are fighting exclusively for the return of the lands lost in 1940. In fact, many in Helsinki continued to dream about the "Great Finland", which they planned to include Karelia and the entire Russian North.
          However, these ambitious plans were completely linked to the final outcome of the Soviet-German confrontation, in which Finland played the not most prestigious role of a Nazi satellite.
          By the beginning of 1944, the mood of Finnish politicians had become pessimistic. Germany suffered defeat after defeat, and it became clear that its final defeat was only a matter of time.
          Dreams of "Greater Finland" were removed, and a more urgent problem was on the agenda - how to get out of the war with the least possible losses. Actually, the country's authorities began to search for ways out of the war for Finland immediately after the battle of Stalingrad. The Finns were ready to conclude a truce with the USSR on the terms of the return to Finland of the lands lost in 1940.
          In June 1943, the commander-in-chief of the Finnish army Gustav Mannerheim "quietly", so as not to heat up relations with the German troops stationed in Finland, disbanded Finnish SS Volunteer Battalion... At the same time, Finnish emissaries, through the Soviet ambassador to Sweden, Alexandru Kollontai, probed the soil for a separate peace with the Soviet Union.
          1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
            Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) April 11 2021 08: 28
            -4
            Well, if I'm a kid, then you are generally an embryo :))) I know history as well as you, and maybe even better. About Finland's participation in WWII in particular. But the conversation is not about that, but about the fact that the Finns were never Nazis. And the aggressor in the war of 1939-1940 was the USSR, which used the well-known "Mainil incident" as a pretext, when it was the USSR that staged a provocation with shelling of its troops.
            1. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) April 11 2021 14: 06
              +2
              The kid is not only uneducated, but also stupid, I have not read or heard more stupidity and lies -

              The USSR staged a provocation with the shelling of its troops

              The great and mighty is a stranger, the head is empty. Nothing, traps often happen. lol
              Here is Western propaganda in all its beauty. You lie for the money, I can't believe you are such a stupid foreign troll agent.

              The Finns are a purely fascist rabble, which was rebuffed and only defeated - in 1939 and 1945. This is right and good, the fascists must be killed.
              Finnish heinous provocation: According to the headquarters of the Leningrad district, on November 26 at 15:45, our troops, located a kilometer north-west of Mainila, were unexpectedly shelled from Finnish territory by artillery fire. In total, the Finns fired seven cannon shots. Three Red Army men and one junior commander were killed, seven Red Army men, one junior commander and one junior lieutenant were wounded. The Soviet government issued an official note to the Finnish authorities, in which it proved that the shots were fired from Finnish territory. In order to prevent new incidents, the Soviet authorities demanded the withdrawal of Finnish troops 20-25 kilometers from the border. With the subsequent enforcement of peace tongue

              PS I'm sure that Lavrov personally knows when he said: dblbld ... I agree with my minister! bully
  5. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk April 6 2021 18: 16
    +2
    Back in 2000-2001, surveys were carried out for a gas pipeline and an oil pipeline bypassing Ukraine. I personally took part in them. Why wasn't there a sequel? All design work was ready by 2003. What happened?
  6. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker April 6 2021 21: 29
    -1
    You see, everyone knows everything. And only Russia plays honestly with cheaters. And I think that Putin simply does not realize that he is dealing with "cheats". Beat first! Yes, Putin does not know what it is.
    1. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) April 7 2021 16: 25
      0
      50 years ago, Leningradskaya Street taught me one rule:

      If a fight is inevitable, you must hit first!
  7. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) April 6 2021 21: 40
    +1
    Aha, and will firewood from Brazil be used for heating in the EU ?! Mr. Marzhetsky, since you are writing horror stories, take the trouble to write with what Leshim the EU will replace Russian gas, from which, according to you, it will take it and refuse it ?! Norway cannot replace the Russian Federation, this is how production is reduced due to the depletion of existing wells. The United States, as last winter showed, is driving gas to Asia, where it is more expensive and there is no gas for the EU ... Shale gas from Donbass is also not an option, there will also be Russian tanks ... Coal mines in the EU have long been closed, their reanimation and commissioning is a long and expensive business
    1. Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) April 6 2021 23: 36
      -2
      The fact is, dear Sagittarius, that the "Ukraine project" was created by NATO for
      cut off Gazprom's access to Europe.
      In the event of the participation of the Russian army in hostilities in the Donbass
      The US-Britain-NATO will demand that "Gazprom's feet in Europe are not!"
      USA-Britain needs maximum weakening and submission to itself
      Germany-EU.
      At the same time, NATO countries will demand an embargo at the UN
      for the supply of Russian oil.
      "Project Ukraine" is a thoughtful and promising project for the USA-Britain.
      1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) April 7 2021 00: 10
        +4
        Well, they can also demand Merkel in the London brothel, they have enough impudence, but what next ?! What will the EU use to heat in winter, and where will it get fuel for its industry ?! I already asked this question to Marzhetsky, and you, repeating his fantasies, left my question unanswered, and without this answer the price of your fantasies is less than the price of a cigarette butt.
        1. Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) April 7 2021 03: 00
          -1
          The US-Britain needs an economically weak, non-competitive Europe.
          This means that Germany-EU will be forced to switch to unprofitable LNG.
          LNG will be transported to Europe from the United States and from around the world.
          Yes, Europe will be flooded, flooded with this liquefied gas.
          1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
            Bulanov (Vladimir) April 7 2021 10: 28
            +2
            Do you really think that only idiots and fools are sitting in the EU? For what grandmothers will they buy liquefied gas there, if the production of a copper basin is closed? Moldova and Romania are an excellent sales market for you? And in the EU, after the refusal from Russian gas, it will be Moldova with Romania!
            1. Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) April 7 2021 21: 37
              +1
              The United States and Britain do not care, from the height of their banks, to some kind of Europe.
              The more the economy of the EU and Russia collapses, the more profitable it is for them.
              World War II - Europe collapsed, the USSR suffered, and the United States rose to unprecedented heights.
              USA today is very bad. To rise, the same situation is needed.
              It's time to understand - there is a modern merciless war and the United States-Britain wants to win again.
              And the "project Ukraine", Donbass, is the trigger that they will pull when they deem it convenient for themselves.
  8. RFR Offline RFR
    RFR (RFR) April 6 2021 22: 44
    +1
    It’s clear that the movement began due to the completion of the construction of the SP-2 ... nya gave the command to start perishing with pots ... I think after that Zelya should be caught for the tribunal, along with Giblets ...
  9. ear Offline ear
    ear (Sergey G) April 6 2021 23: 43
    +1
    Do not forget that there is no trick against scrap.

    If during the war the pipeline and equipment will be very badly destroyed, then suddenly the Nord Stream is very much even needed.

    And the pipeline is needed to feed Ukraine at the expense of Russia without any strain on the European budget.
    1. ear Offline ear
      ear (Sergey G) April 7 2021 00: 07
      +1
      Pay or download is not applicable without a pipeline, since you cannot download. It seems this is called force majeure.
  10. marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) April 7 2021 00: 30
    -1
    For the Betrayal of 2014 Russia will never pay off !!!!!
  11. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
    Anna Tim (Anna) April 7 2021 01: 02
    0
    No. I think the main goal of the mess is the desire of the United States to see our hypersonic missiles in action. It is more profitable for us to use them than to sacrifice people and equipment. She was driven to intimidate))). Well, what the author described is the second.
  12. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
    aquarius580 April 7 2021 01: 09
    -2
    ORDLO is a transit point for methamphetamines. "LPR" and "DPR" cannot divide the income in any way. They even built a customs house and a border between themselves.
    1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) April 7 2021 02: 31
      -3
      What kind of union can there be between two completely different peoples - Donetsk and Luhansk? :)))
      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 April 7 2021 02: 43
        -1
        Yes, you are right ! Two so close, friendly, but still separate people! And both are Russian, anti-Banderian. lol
        1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
          Bulanov (Vladimir) April 7 2021 10: 32
          +4
          You, Natan Bruk (Natan Bruk), along with aquarius580 remind me of the propagandists from Jehovah's Witnesses who get on the bus and start a loud discussion among themselves about faith so that the whole bus can hear them.
          1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
            aquarius580 April 7 2021 10: 33
            -3
            Don't read it. You can only take patriotic comments into account, and simply ignore the rest. We don't bother you. Go your way.
            1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
              Bulanov (Vladimir) April 7 2021 10: 47
              +3
              From what. I read everything, but I see NATO propaganda right away.
              1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                aquarius580 April 7 2021 10: 50
                -2
                Do you really think that NATO analysts are so well versed in the intricacies and differences between related organized crime groups in the post-Soviet space? For some reason, by the way, you were not at all touched by the question of the existence of customs and the border, but this is the most important question: what exactly these organized criminal groups did not share; and should the boys from Pskov, Kostroma and Penza die for the well-being of all Pushilins and the like?
                1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
                  Bulanov (Vladimir) April 7 2021 10: 56
                  +3
                  As for the organized crime group in Ukraine, you should contact Biden's son, and maybe not only your son.
                  As for the borders, it is most likely that the future Confederation is outlined. And by the way, about

                  Two so close, friendly, but still separate people

                  - How many small and friendly peoples with one language, but different borders in Latin America? How many years has Germany been divided in the past by different borders? Bavaria, Saxony, etc.?
                  1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                    aquarius580 April 7 2021 11: 00
                    -2
                    The problems of the Biden family are solved by the Americans themselves; Ukraine does not want to interfere in this, cannot and will not. The questions I asked remain nonetheless, and you stubbornly avoid them. You have seven Fridays a week: either Russians and Ukrainians are "one people", then "Luhansk" and "Donetsk" are different to such an extent that only confederation is possible between them. And how did the gigantic USSR live in the form of a rigid federation in this case?
                    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
                      Bulanov (Vladimir) April 7 2021 11: 13
                      +2
                      You probably don't read my answers! Was Germany a single people before unification? If so, why were there borders between the lands? If not, why is it a united Germany?

                      You have seven Fridays a week: Russians and Ukrainians are "one people",

                      Tell me, when did the Ukrainians appear as a nation? Her at the beginning of the 20th century. the Austrians began to create, and the Bolsheviks finished with massive coercion to learn the Ukrainian language. Lazar Kaganovich then distinguished himself with this zeal! In Russia, among the Slavs, there lived the little-growers (this is the heart of Russia, like Malopolsha), the great-growing and the white-growing. So it's up to you - one people - the Ukrainians, created by the Austrians and Stalin's falcons Kaganovich and the Russians - or they are different peoples. I think that the majority of the people consider all Ukrainians, except for the Westerners, who are more likely to belong to the Thracians, and the Russians, as one common people, as in Germany all Germans are considered one people, regardless of whether they are Bavarians, Tyrolians or Saxons.
                      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 April 7 2021 11: 18
                        -3
                        Ukraine formed as a nation, this is a fact from which you cannot get away. The main evidence of the final formation of the nation is the extraterritorial recruitment of the Armed Forces. The Armed Forces of Ukraine consist of representatives of all regions of Ukraine, approximately equally (the southeast is even more willing to go to war, knowing that they do not want to allow war and terror on their territory, with which the "LPR" and "DPR" began). Keep your strange fantasies about the "pro-Russian southeast" with you; there's no such thing. There is a small percentage of the population mentally stuck in the former USSR; they are retirees voting for HLE. Their numbers are steadily declining, and will soon become a statistical error.
                      2. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
                        Anna Tim (Anna) April 7 2021 12: 23
                        +2
                        Formed or not, that is not the point. Who gave the country statehood? Russia. And who augmented the land to Ukraine? USSR. Against which the current authorities of Ukraine are waging a merciless war, so that people do not remember where their cradle is. Here is such a gratitude. But Ukraine chose the United States as a friend. What does such "friendship" give to the country? Heavy loans, which will be paid for by land, rising prices, unemployment and, as a consequence, the impoverishment of the people, and the prospect of a fratricidal impending war. Brothers Ukrainians, finally feel the difference, remove the blinders from your eyes and the earplugs. We must not fight with Russia where your relatives and friends are, but unite. This is the only way to survive.
                      3. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 April 7 2021 12: 38
                        -3
                        You live in an illusory world invented by Russian propaganda. Everything is much more complicated, and completely different from what propaganda clowns like Solovyov tell you. Study real history, not fictions of Russian propaganda.
                      4. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 April 7 2021 12: 40
                        -4
                        As an answer, I will give you a dialogue published on one of the Ukrainian forums:

                        I am talking with a Russian. He asks me:
                        - Why are you with America and not with us?
                        I ask him a counter question:
                        - And how many Ukrainians have been killed by the Americans in the whole history?
                        Is silent. He doesn't ask any more questions.
                      5. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
                        Anna Tim (Anna) April 7 2021 12: 48
                        +1
                        I will also ask a Ukrainian question - does he know who robbed Ukraine at the suggestion of Poroshenko? Son of Biden, the current "friend" of Ukraine. For this, they organized a coup and do not hide it. The civil war is a consequence of this coup, because not everyone wants to go to bed with the United States. How many Ukrainians died in the civil war? And on the Maidan, organized by the United States? So count how many Ukrainians they have already destroyed, but the main victims are prepared ahead of them, this is a push to war with Russia.
                      6. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 April 7 2021 12: 52
                        -4
                        The Poroshenko-Groisman government is the only pro-Ukrainian government in the entire history of independence. She, from a state of complete collapse, restored the state machinery, the army, and the economy.
                      7. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
                        Anna Tim (Anna) April 7 2021 14: 18
                        +3
                        To begin with, go to Donbas to see with your own eyes the destroyed and broken houses, count the killed children and the elderly, not to mention the adult population. Was it Russia that mutilated them? Talk to people and find out who and why kills them and ravages their houses. Find out firsthand whose bullets and shells crippled them. And then write about Poroshenko's power that "restored" something. The only thing that she restored, or rather installed, is the chips in the fragile brains of the Ukrainian people, and even those American ones. You, my friend, the liver of the Maidanovskys seems to have overeat from "mother Victoria Nuland".
                        As for the Ukrainian army, the Americans laugh at you, I visit the United States and talk about what the local newspapers write. So, the United States sells and gives the old junk to you, but even this junk your generals resell to everyone they come across. This is from American newspapers. You do not have an economy, otherwise the young people would not work in different transcendental countries, and the old people would not be beggars. Brothels in Germany, Holland are provided with Ukrainian girls to the eyeballs, fresh goods arrive continuously. In general, aquarius580, you have something to be "proud" of.
                      8. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 April 7 2021 15: 35
                        -2
                        The war has been going on for the eighth year. During this time, LDNR was obliged to evacuate the entire civilian population from the combat zone. The fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are hiding behind the civilian population is a war crime.
                        Everything else is propaganda chatter; leave it for the feeble-minded audience of Solovyov and Skabeeva.
                      9. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
                        Bulanov (Vladimir) April 7 2021 16: 13
                        +2
                        was obliged to evacuate all civilians from the combat zone.

                        There, almost the entire territory is a war zone. Where to evacuate, to Russia? Is this what you are waiting for?
                        After Chernobyl, part of the people remained in their villages, did not want to evacuate.
                        Donetsk, too, order to evacuate? They shoot at him too.
                      10. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 April 7 2021 17: 12
                        -2
                        But this is none of my business. Only the occupier is always responsible for the welfare of the population of the occupied territories; these are international laws.
                      11. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) April 7 2021 17: 42
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                        aquarius580, and who is our occupier? laughing
                  2. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) April 7 2021 17: 16
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                    aquarius580and who started the war?
                  3. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                    aquarius580 April 7 2021 17: 16
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                    Your Federation Council, by unanimous vote, 1st March 2014.
                  4. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) April 7 2021 17: 19
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                    aquarius580, you see, you are afraid to tell the inconvenient truth for you. laughing
                  5. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                    aquarius580 April 7 2021 17: 21
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                    I have clearly told you the date and the culprit.
                    ATO was announced on April 14th, after the 13th division of Girkin captured Slavyansk. That is, the Pastor wasted a month and a half in vain.
                  6. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) April 7 2021 17: 30
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                    aquarius580who unleashed the civil war in Ukraine? Who started it? I'm talking about the reason, not about how the regions that did not agree with the coup began to tear up your ass.
                  7. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                    aquarius580 April 8 2021 00: 03
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                    There is no civil war in Ukraine. There is Russian aggression through a proxy.
                  8. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) April 8 2021 00: 30
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                    Quote: aquarius580
                    There is Russian aggression through a proxy.

                    aquarius580 , stupid, is Russia your rival? You would have defeated Russia long ago. No, you were attacked by little green men!

                    Pay attention to your president, he is Zelensky. I'll tell you a secret, he doesn't even look like a Ukrainian. yes
                  9. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                    aquarius580 April 8 2021 00: 33
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                    You can't really say anything. Your antics in front of the mirror do not interest me. Go your way.
                  10. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) April 8 2021 00: 39
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                    Quote: aquarius580
                    Go your way.

                    So the road is there for us, then the road is there for us ... yes
  13. magma Offline magma
    magma (Tatyana) April 8 2021 10: 30
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    Quote: aquarius580
    As an answer, I will give you a dialogue published on one of the Ukrainian forums:

    I am talking with a Russian. He asks me:
    - Why are you with America and not with us?
    I ask him a counter question:
    - And how many Ukrainians have been killed by the Americans in the whole history?
    Is silent. He doesn't ask any more questions.

    But how can you count ... They always killed by someone else's hands. Surely more than one million.
  14. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
    aquarius580 April 7 2021 11: 22
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    When Ukraine was formed as a nation ?

    - Well, finally, look at the map of Boplan! 1648th year. In the corner of the map are depicted both the nobility and the commoner, in their traditional clothes.
  15. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
    Anna Tim (Anna) April 7 2021 14: 22
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    Uh-huh, you will be "in the corner in traditional embroidered shirts" on the European platform. crying
  16. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) April 7 2021 16: 27
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    There are Poles and their lackeys in the corner of the map. Zaporozhye Cossacks are not to be seen.
  17. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
    aquarius580 April 7 2021 17: 09
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    There, the military leaders are dressed in the typical hetman costume. And the Cossack, not the "slave", is drawn there.
  • George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) April 7 2021 16: 28
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    aquarius580 = Natan Bruk: This is the same paid troll.
    1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
      aquarius580 April 7 2021 17: 10
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      No, son. We are different people. We are united by our dislike for those who kill the defenders of Ukraine.
      1. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
        Anna Tim (Anna) April 7 2021 21: 28
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        No, my friend, you are united by love in the money that you are paid to promote all that nonsense that you write. You are a writing puppet that doesn't need to turn on its head. The United States does not need you from the word at all, even crawl on your knees and lick all the smelly places with them, they will not fight for you, but as experimental disposable rabbits to see how strong Russia will be used.
        1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
          aquarius580 April 8 2021 00: 01
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          I write purely free of charge and purely what I think. As a person of Russian-Ukrainian origin, I consider what is happening to be absurd, from which the kindest Leonid Ilyich will probably turn over in his grave. You have an anti-Russian government that sent Russians to Ukraine to kill Ukrainians. "LDNR" is an invention of Surkov (nee Dudaev). There has never been such a shame that the Chechen set the Russians against the Ukrainians in history.
          Leave your intimate preferences to yourself; they are not interesting to me.
          1. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
            Anna Tim (Anna) April 8 2021 00: 42
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            You seem to have gaps with memory - here I see it, but here I don't notice it point-blank. Nobody sent Russians to "kill Ukrainians". The OSCE did not find any evidence of this, even if you break into a cake, although it really wanted to find it. But he regularly states the facts of shelling of peaceful settlements of the self-proclaimed republics by the Ukrainian army. You read their reports, just don't forget your glasses, otherwise the Russians are trying to try again. But the Ukrainians themselves gladly kill their own people in the self-proclaimed republics. And not only Russians live there, there are also Ukrainians and among them there are victims, the other day a boy was killed by the shelling of the Ukrainian army on civilians and their homes ...
          2. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
            aquarius580 April 8 2021 00: 56
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            Volodinsky's fake about the "murdered boy" burst on the same day; but if this were true, then the fault lies solely with the occupiers. This topic was discussed here yesterday; I see no reason to repeat myself.
            As I pointed out to you, your propaganda has nothing to do with reality. Leave it to yourself.
          3. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
            Anna Tim (Anna) April 8 2021 01: 16
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            And you better leave yours with you and do not forget that you are on the Russian forum, i.e. away. We write what we think is necessary, and you are engaged in propaganda here.
          4. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) April 8 2021 01: 25
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            Anna Tim, do not destroy the unarmed aquarius580... He ran out of all the arguments, the word "fake", which he repeats, is not an argument, but a request for mercy. yes
          5. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
            aquarius580 April 8 2021 01: 43
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            Well, someone has to tell the readers the truth.
            After all, each of you will one day stand in front of the gates of the Heavenly Chancellery, and the Apostle Peter will ask you: how did you get so far that you became Caines?
          6. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
            Anna Tim (Anna) April 8 2021 11: 44
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            Quote: aquarius580
            Well, someone has to tell the readers the truth.

            Got it? Finally we got through to you with the truth? Well, now you can calmly follow to the gates of the Heavenly Chancellery. Then piss off!
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 7 2021 21: 48
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    We are united by our dislike for those who kill the defenders of Ukraine.

    You are united by drugs and suicidal tendencies.
    1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
      aquarius580 April 8 2021 00: 02
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      You don't know me personally, and your insults are deeply indifferent to me.
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) April 7 2021 10: 35
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    In any case, Russia will be unambiguously to blame and impose sanctions. Only the EU will not survive with expensive gas and they prochukhaet this quickly. We must defend our interests and not as the author of this nonsense calling to surrender at the mercy of the enemy, for the sake of easing sanctions.
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) April 7 2021 21: 40
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    If on the territory of Donbass there are officially Russian troops, who are now demonstratively pulling towards the border, and begin to "iron" the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Kiev will declare aggression from Moscow and bring evidence, and Washington and Brussels will support him.

    Fashington and Brussels will hold consultations with NATO allies for a couple of months.
    The allies will squabble, drag out the process in every possible way and will merge to "general approval."
    Nobody will fight.
  • Vladimir Ismagilov (Vladimir Ismagilov) April 13 2021 09: 30
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    ...... If on the territory of Donbass there are officially Russian troops, who are now demonstratively pulling towards the border, and begin to "iron" the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Kiev will declare aggression from Moscow and bring evidence, and Washington and Brussels will support it. The next package of anti-Russian sanctions will be introduced, which will either completely block Nord Stream 2, and at the same time the Balkan Stream, or make their work impossible in normal mode. The United States will get its hands on an instrument of forced "shutdown" of Russian gas pipelines in Europe, taking control of our exports. Such gloomy prospects are looming ...
    Author!!! And Europe in this case, what will suck ??? Paw ??? or what is more abruptly ???