Sputnik V was recognized as the most popular vaccine in the world


At present, Russia, as a vaccine-producing state, has the greatest trust in the world. This is evidenced by data from YouGov, the UK's leading global market research and analysis firm.


The results were published on the website of the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF). It is noted that in the period from February 18 to March 3 this year, YouGov conducted a survey of 9417 respondents in 9 countries of the world (India, Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, Vietnam, Argentina, Algeria, the United Arab Emirates and Serbia), in which more than 2 billion people live. , or over 25% of the population of our planet.

According to the study, the five most trusted vaccine-producing states are as follows: Russia - 54%, USA - 53,9%, UK - 48,4%, China - 26,9%, Sweden - 26,8%.

Among those who made their choice, i.e. people who are ready to be vaccinated with a certain medication, the following results were obtained: Pfizer / BioNTech - 36,6%, Sputnik V - 33,2%, SinoVac - 26,5%, SinoPharm - 25,3%, AstraZeneca - 23,4%, Moderna - 17,2%, Johnson & Johnson - 17,0%, CanSino - 8,0%.

At the same time, "Sputnik V" turned out to be the most recognizable vaccine on Earth, and this indicates its popularity. This is evidenced by data on persons knowledgeable about the medication: Sputnik V - 73,6%, Pfizer / BioNTech - 69,2%, AstraZeneca - 59,7%, SinoVac - 44,4%, Moderna - 42,4% , SinoPharm - 31,0%, Johnson & Johnson - 30,3%, CanSino - 8,3%.

In addition, 47,4% of the respondents believe that the minimum acceptable level of vaccine efficacy should be 90% and higher (for Sputnik V - 91,6%). At the same time, 84% are ready to postpone injections with medications with an efficiency of about 60% in order to obtain a better vaccine. 77% of respondents are confident that the authorities should provide residents of their countries with equal access to different medications, giving people the right to make their own choice.
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  1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 08: 36
    -5
    The EU vaccinated 5% of the population, Russia 4 ... Europe failed to start vaccination, and Russia made progress and thanks to mass (!!!) vaccination, the incidence began to decline! Americans and Chinese get vaccinated in 1,5 days more than the Russian Federation does in a month. The satellite marches triumphantly around the world ...
    Maybe there are other laws of logic in Russia?
    1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 10: 00
      +8
      Americans and Chinese get vaccinated in 1,5 days more than the Russian Federation does in a month. The satellite marches triumphantly around the world ...

      Oh, well, let's do this:

      America vaccinated with its vaccine 12 times (!) More people than Russia, so the death rate from "Covid 19" in the United States is only 6 times higher than the death rate in Russia!

      How do you like your own logic?)
    2. Dust Offline Dust
      Dust (Sergei) 30 March 2021 04: 39
      0
      Do you know that the American vaccine is designed for 5-6 months !? That every six months you need to be vaccinated again ...
  2. Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 28 March 2021 09: 49
    +4
    Quote: AlexZN
    The EU vaccinated 5% of the population, Russia 4 ... Europe failed to start vaccination, and Russia made progress and thanks to mass (!!!) vaccination, the incidence began to decline! Americans and Chinese get vaccinated in 1,5 days more than the Russian Federation does in a month. The satellite marches triumphantly around the world ...
    Maybe there are other laws of logic in Russia?

    Vaccinations in honey. institutions simply do not. They promise at the end of March, April, so the number of vaccinated people is not growing. Also, a very large percentage of those who refuse to be vaccinated, this is 60 ÷ 70 percent. Russians sometimes cite the aggressive state-owned vaccination campaign as the cause. But I think this is slyness, since exactly the same vaccination companies against influenza in previous years, gave approximately the same figures. People are lazy, some are afraid, but the authoritarian Russian state is to blame. Or maybe Western democracy is not so democratic and there are more levers of influence on the control population, since people are all about the same?
    1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
      Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 10: 34
      -4
      Or maybe Western democracy is not so democratic and there are more levers of influence on the control population, since people are all about the same?

      Questionable logic. It turns out that 80% of Israelis over 60 years old were forcibly vaccinated in a month, also the most dangerous vaccine (at that time), and 3% of elderly people in Russia voluntarily were the best and most popular ...
      1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 11: 30
        +3
        It turns out that 80% of Israelis over 60 years old were vaccinated in a month forcibly, also the most dangerous vaccine (at that time)

        I really didn't want to touch on your people in this topic (which I personally respect), but you yourself insist.

        About forcibly:

        By some fatal accident, it was your people who managed in the 40s of the last century to plant hundreds, like a herd of submissive rams (sorry for the comparison!) "On the sleeves of your clothes, so that you can calmly and systematically deliver to concentration camps, from which" you "then had to be freed by the" dark Slavs ", whose descendants, you are now, that way - pathetically magnanimous, are trying to teach wisdom.
        1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
          Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 13: 26
          -7
          By some fatal accident, it was your people who managed in the 40s of the last century to plant hundreds, like a herd of submissive rams (I apologize for the comparison!), In "teplushki", preliminarily - for selection, having sewed all of you, with your own hands, "six-pointed stars "On the sleeves of your clothes, so that you can calmly and systematically deliver to concentration camps,

          Not logic! For what reason, 4,5 million Soviet soldiers, with weapons in their hands, abandoned these weapons in their first year of service, and like obedient rams ... Do not oversimplify!

          of which "you" later had to be freed by the "dark Slavs"

          For which Israel is deeply grateful to these Slavs! And this is where no one doubts the contribution of the dark Slavs to the defeat of fascism.

          which, you are now, that way - pathetic-magnanimous, trying to teach the mind

          Indicate where and how I teach ... It seemed to me that I was just analyzing the information provided on this site.
          1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 14: 38
            +6
            Not logic! For what reason, 4,5 million Soviet soldiers, with weapons in their hands, abandoned these weapons in the first year of service and like obedient rams ...

            Well, even on an offhand, if you take what you said on faith, then the very "geography of war" already gives the courage to assume that these "4,5 million Soviet soldiers" you named, who were the first to take on the attack of Nazi Germany, consisted of mainly from ethnic Western Ukrainians and Baltic peoples. Looking at these ethnic groups today, you will not find anything surprising in this.
            I don’t know what offended you so much, the comparison of the Jews of that time, with “a herd of obedient rams”, but think for yourself: they could then, at least for the sake of decency, take up arms? But no, they didn't. Is it because, until they began to burn them in the furnaces of the death camps, they themselves firmly believed in the ideas of the Nazis, and even directly or indirectly supported them from the very beginning of the war?
            1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
              Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 15: 16
              -9
              Quote: Dear couch expert.
              Not logic! For what reason, 4,5 million Soviet soldiers, with weapons in their hands, abandoned these weapons in the first year of service and like obedient rams ...

              Well, even on an offhand, if you take what you said on faith, then the very "geography of war" already gives the courage to assume that these "4,5 million Soviet soldiers" you named, who were the first to take on the attack of Nazi Germany, consisted of mainly from ethnic Western Ukrainians and Baltic peoples. Looking at these ethnic groups today, you will not find anything surprising in this.
              I don’t know what offended you so much, the comparison of the Jews of that time, with “a herd of obedient rams”, but think for yourself: they could then, at least for the sake of decency, take up arms? But no, they didn't. Is it because, until they began to burn them in the furnaces of the death camps, they themselves firmly believed in the ideas of the Nazis, and even directly or indirectly supported them from the very beginning of the war?

              All wrong!
              First, in a strange way, you reduced the issue of voluntary vaccination of Israelis to a herd of sheep, which ... Then you decided that Western Ukrainians and the Baltic were serving in the USSR on the western frontiers ... That I was hurt by the fact that the Jews were helpless ...
              1. The voluntariness of vaccinations in Israel is a consequence of good awareness of citizens, trust in the authorities and responsibility of citizens, the ability to consolidate in difficult times.
              2. In the USSR, there was no principle of service at the place of residence, exactly the opposite.
              3. Jews were exterminated precisely in those places where the local population actively contributed to this, and your message about the possibility of taking up arms makes you smile. In Poland? In the Baltics? Are you serious? Even on the territory of the USSR, they often refused to take Jews into partisan detachments. But this is already another, special topic, not entirely appropriate here.

              Is it because, until they began to burn them in the furnaces of the death camps, they themselves firmly believed in the ideas of the Nazis, and even directly or indirectly supported them from the very beginning of the war?

              I will leave this nonsense on your conscience. Honestly surprised ...
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 15: 25
                -7
                Honestly surprised ...

                No wonder. It's just that the respected expert is blatantly lying.
                1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
                  Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 15: 31
                  -7
                  I would like to believe that from ignorance.
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 15: 33
                    -7
                    Come on, there is nothing difficult in looking at this information on the Internet. So either the Sofa Expert is incapacitated and cannot do this, which is very unlikely, or blatantly lies.
              2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 15: 43
                -7
                Even on the territory of the USSR, they often refused to take Jews into partisan detachments.

                Moreover, many partisan groups pursued an openly anti-Semitic policy. For example, Jews were shot as "accomplices and Nazi spies"
              3. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 17: 01
                +5
                First, in a strange way, you reduced the issue of voluntary vaccination of the Israelites to a herd of sheep,

                All wrong! At first you, in a strange way, reduced the question of "undemocratic nature of Western states" to "voluntarily vaccinating Israelis".).
                Can you tell why you (the Jews) are always trying to re-project all your attention to “you loved ones”?

                1. The voluntariness of vaccinations in Israel is a consequence of good awareness of citizens, trust in the authorities and responsibility of citizens, the ability to consolidate in difficult times.

                The question of what is not about you, as it were, I already wrote to you above.
                But is that not enough for you?
                And the ability to consolidate in difficult times .. here you have not confused yourself with anyone? Or was it you, having consolidated that way, liberated the Slavs from the concentration camps? )

                2. In the USSR, there was no principle of service at the place of residence, exactly the opposite.

                Do you know the word "mobilization" in wartime?
                Where do you think Siberian divisions were formed, not in Transcaucasia, by any chance?)

                I will leave this nonsense on your conscience. Honestly surprised ...

                Oh, how?) Well then, you probably have not watched the film by Roman Polanski - The Pianist.
                I advise you to look. Hard film. But with your conceit, you may not like it.
                1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
                  Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 17: 29
                  -6
                  Why are you frankly distorting? The discussion thread was not suggested by me. You might notice the difference between the concept of a Jew and an Israeli (it seems like I wrote about the Israelis).
                  Mobilization in territories that were occupied in a matter of days? What are you talking about? There was an evacuation (more often just a stampede), not a mobilization!
                  I not only saw the film, but also Polanski himself (I found for him a card of his father from Mauthausen)
          2. Morgan Offline Morgan
            Morgan (Miron) 28 March 2021 22: 48
            +1
            just analyzing the information provided on this site

            - you try in vain! This information is for "Hurray for the Patriots" ie. for internal use and there is no logic in it.
        2. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 14: 28
          -8
          By some fatal accident, it was your people who managed in the 40s of the last century to plant hundreds, like a herd of submissive rams (I apologize for the comparison!), In "teplushki", preliminarily - for selection, having sewed all of you, with your own hands, "six-pointed stars "On the sleeves of your clothes, so that you can calmly and systematically deliver to concentration camps,

          Ay, ay, ay, Dear sofa expert, how bad it is to keep silent about the fact that the Germans, in addition to the Jews, also kept the Slavs in the concentration camps.
          1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 14: 48
            +6
            Ay, ay, ay, Dear sofa expert, how bad it is to keep silent about the fact that the Germans, in addition to the Jews, also kept the Slavs in the concentration camps.

            Why am I silent? See above. Poles, Ukrainians and Balts are also Slavs.
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 15: 16
              -7
              See above. Poles, Ukrainians and Balts are also Slavs.

              First, the Balts are not Slavs.

              Secondly, about this:

              I don’t know what touched you so much, the comparison of the Jews of that time, with “a herd of obedient rams”, but think for yourself: They could then, if only for the sake of decency, take up arms? But no, they didn't. Is it because, until they began to burn them in the furnaces of the death camps, they themselves firmly believed in the ideas of the Nazis, and even directly or indirectly supported them from the very beginning of the war?

              What is this nonsense?

              Did the Russian non-combatants just take up arms? Read about Lotok self-government sometime before bedtime.

              And when did the Jews themselves religiously believe in Nazi ideas? And when did they directly and indirectly support them from the very beginning of the war?

              Next, about this:

              Well, even on a jump-start, if you take what you said on faith, then the very "geography of war", already gives the courage to assume that these "4,5 million Soviet soldiers" you named, who were the first to take on the attack of Nazi Germany, consisted mainly of ethnic Western Ukrainians and the peoples of the Baltic states.

              Or maybe, after all, it is worth not to assume, but to look for some kind of confirmation? For example, here - https://politrussia.com/istoriya/pravda-o-predatelyakh-856/ - the following data is given:

              Regarding who it really was, there is an excellent article by Igor Kurtukov "How many Russians fought on Hitler's side." Referring, in turn, to the calculations of Sergei Drobyazko, he gives the following number of collaborationists-representatives of various peoples of the USSR:

              250,000 Ukrainians
              70,000 Belarusians
              70,000 Cossacks
              150,000 Latvians
              90,000 Estonians
              50,000 Lithuanians
              70,000 Central Asian
              12,000 Volga Tatars
              10,000 Crimean Tatars
              7,000 Kalmyks
              40,000 Azeris
              25,000 Georgian
              20,000 Armenians
              30,000 of the North Caucasian peoples.

              In this case, Russians account for just over 300 thousand ...
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 15: 45
                -7
                Lotok self-government

                Wrong - right Lokot self-government.
              2. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 17: 13
                +4
                First, the Balts are not Slavs.

                Of course, you can argue, but ... your version is also to my liking))

                The Balts did not sit in concentration camps, they served the Nazis!

                And when did the Jews themselves religiously believe in Nazi ideas? And when did they directly and indirectly support them from the very beginning of the war?

                Holocaust is dated 1941 to 1945. Right? Now compare this fact with the year Hitler came to power in Germany, and with the year the war began.
                All these years, the Jews quietly existed alongside the Nazis, worked for their benefit, naively thinking that they would be carried over? But no .. it didn't. Then the Slavs had to sacrifice their lives. For what? What would such rubbish as you write to me today, a descendant of your grandfathers' liberators from death, all sorts of nasty things?
                How many do you take on?
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 18: 17
                  -5
                  Of course, you can argue, but ... your version is also to my liking))

                  You can also argue that the earth revolves around the sun. Or that hot metal burns the skin. Or with some other established fact.

                  Estonians are Finno-Ugric people, Latvians and Lithuanians are Baltic. They are not Slavs.

                  But, again, you can argue with the facts as much as you like.

                  Holocaust is dated 1941 to 1945. Right? Now compare this fact with the year Hitler came to power in Germany, and with the year the war began.All these years, Jews lived quietly alongside the Nazis, worked for their benefit, naively thinking that they would be carried over?

                  Sofa expert, have you ever opened a history textbook? Never heard of the 1935 Nuremberg Race Laws?

                  The term "Holocaust" has different interpretations and periodization. In a narrow sense, it means politics destruction Jewish population in Germany and the occupied areas. It really started mostly in 1941.

                  However, the persecution of Jews in Germany began immediately after the Nazis came to power in 1933. First, these were various restrictions on the rights of Jews, then - their deportation, imprisonment in ghettos and concentration camps, forced to slave labor. And only during the Second World War, the German leadership began to destroy them. So in a broad sense, the term "Holocaust" means all persecution Jews by the Nazis, not just extermination.

                  If you do not even possess this publicly available information, then why do you undertake to argue?

                  What would such rubbish as you write to me today, a descendant of your grandfathers' liberators from death, all sorts of nasty things?

                  Firstly, both of my grandfathers "freed themselves from death", being servicemen of the Red Army during the Second World War. One of them reached Berlin.

                  Secondly, the fact that you are a descendant of a serviceman who participated in the Second World War does not mean that you yourself participated in it. Do not attribute to yourself the feat of your ancestor. You are just his descendant, who fights on a cozy sofa in the comments. All you can do is lie shamelessly.
              3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                Ulysses (Alexey) 28 March 2021 22: 39
                +1
                And when did the Jews themselves religiously believe in Nazi ideas? And when did they directly and indirectly support them from the very beginning of the war?

                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 22: 56
                  -1
                  Yes, thank you for confirming my words with this video :)

                  Rabbi Finkel in plain text says that only mishlings (half-breeds) were accepted into the service in the Wehrmacht, who did not consider themselves Jews.

                  All pure-blooded Jews and those who considered themselves to be Jews, they first oppressed - then massacred.
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 28 March 2021 23: 04
                    +1
                    Cyril, there are no purebred Jews.
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 23: 15
                      -1
                      I'm talking about those who are of Jewish origin both on the paternal and maternal side for several generations.
                  2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                    Ulysses (Alexey) 28 March 2021 23: 35
                    0
                    All purebred Jews

                    Are you a purebred Jew ??
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 23: 45
                      -2
                      Are you a purebred Jew?
                  3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                    Ulysses (Alexey) 28 March 2021 23: 49
                    +1
                    Yes, thank you for confirming my words with this video :)

                    The vast majority of Wehrmacht veterans reported in interviews that when they joined the army, they did not consider themselves to be Jews. These soldiers tried with their courage to refute the Nazi racial chatter. Hitler soldiers triple zeal at the front proved that Jewish ancestors do not prevent them from being good German patriots and staunch warriors.

                    winked

                    PS Finish your chatter.
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 01: 21
                      -2
                      The vast majority of Wehrmacht veterans reported in interviews that when they joined the army, they did not consider themselves to be Jews.

                      Would you like to repeat about the mishling again?) The first time, apparently, does not come.
                      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                        Ulysses (Alexey) 29 March 2021 17: 33
                        +2
                        Would you like to repeat about mishling again?)

                        Do you have 1-2-3 grades of Jews ??
                        An interesting nation.

                        Such racial discrimination never occurs to Russians.
                      2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 March 2021 03: 58
                        -1
                        Do you have 1-2-3 grades of Jews ??

                        "Jews of 1-2-3 grades" were not with me, but with the Germans. Read your own links or something.
              4. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 28 March 2021 23: 30
                +1
                Ulysses, today in Ukraine, Jews get along well with Bandera.
                1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                  Ulysses (Alexey) 29 March 2021 17: 36
                  +1
                  Ulysses, today in Ukraine the Jews get along well with the Banderaites.

                  isofat, in the Hebrew version they are "just trying to survive."

                  You should always have an excuse in case of a regime change.
          2. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 15: 25
            -5
            By the way, about the national composition of Soviet prisoners of war in the initial period of the war - you can read here:

            https://waralbum.ru/bb/viewtopic.php?id=69

            There was no "consisted mainly of Ukrainians and Balts" - on the contrary, the Soviet troops in the Western direction were deliberately not staffed by the Balts and Western Ukrainians, because they were just annexed, and the leadership was not confident in their reliability.
  3. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 10: 46
    +4
    Or maybe Western democracy is not so democratic and there are more levers of influence on the control population.

    By the way, it was noticed very correctly.

    As much as it may now not cut the rumor to some of the participants in the discussion, but it is real democracy that allows Russians to independently make decisions on their own vaccination.

    After all, in fact, and individually, it is such a "little tactical trick" - to wait until the vaccine is done by others.

    Why risk yourself, running into possible "side effects" from, in fact, an "immature vaccine", with a rather vague effectiveness (objectively, so far for all "covid" vaccines), when it is enough that all the others would be vaccinated, creating (at best) while "herd immunity" (and for me as well).

    Obviously, this won't work, because I'm not the only one who thinks so.)
    And I am by no means claiming that this is positive, but the very fact that it is “spreading” in Russia speaks just of real, and not ostentatious (as in the West) democracy.
  4. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 28 March 2021 17: 23
    +1
    Vaccinations in honey. institutions simply do not.

    This is a lie, in short.

    Dear residents of the city district .......!
    Any resident of the Moscow Region over 19 years of age can sign up for a vaccination against coronavirus infection (COVID-18) today on the Public Services Portal, by calling 122 or 8- (800) -550-50-30.
    Citizens who have not had a coronavirus infection to register through the State Services Portal https://uslugi.mosreg.ru/zdrav/ must select the section "Vaccination against COVID-19", then in the subsection ➡ "Vaccination against COVID-19" select a convenient time for vaccination ...
    Opening hours of vaccination points in the urban district .......:
    POLYCLINIC №2 (address) ... FROM MONDAY TO FRIDAY FROM 8.00 TO 20.00, SATURDAY - FROM 9.00 TO 15.00.

    And these are excerpts from the official website of my district clinic.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 10: 30
    -3
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    Americans and Chinese get vaccinated in 1,5 days more than the Russian Federation does in a month. The satellite marches triumphantly around the world ...

    Oh, well, let's do this:

    America vaccinated with its vaccine 12 times (!) More people than Russia, so the death rate from "Covid 19" in the United States is only 6 times higher than the death rate in Russia!

    How do you like your own logic?)

    This is a substitution of my logic. It was about a vaccine, and you are talking about mortality (also based on dubious statistics). By the way, even based on dubious statistics, deaths in the United States are no longer 6, but 2,5 times, and the mortality rate was in this proportion and BEFORE vaccination. It would be correct (logical) to compare mortality 2-3 months after vaccination.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 11: 18
      +3
      This is a substitution of my logic.

      Well, let's assume that I did not notice it (logic).)

      and you are talking about mortality (also based on dubious statistics)

      I use statistics from this page:

      https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-GB&gl=GB&ceid=GB%3Aen

      In my opinion, it should also deserve your trust. There are numbers, proportions, and whatever you want.
      1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
        Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 11: 30
        -5
        I use statistics from this page:

        https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-GB&gl=GB&ceid=GB%3Aen

        In my opinion, it should also deserve your trust. There are numbers, proportions, and whatever you want.

        Should not. The table contains data provided by countries. I have every reason not to trust Russian statistics.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 11: 33
          +4
          Should not. The table contains data provided by countries. I have every reason not to trust Russian statistics.

          Is it on the principle - will the paper endure everything?
          Then this applies equally to all other countries.
          1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
            Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 13: 18
            -5
            Quote: Dear couch expert.
            Should not. The table contains data provided by countries. I have every reason not to trust Russian statistics.

            Is it on the principle - will the paper endure everything?
            Then this applies equally to all other countries.

            Yes! And that's how it works in most countries.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 13: 26
              +3
              Is it on the principle - will the paper endure everything?
              Then this applies equally to all other countries.

              Yes! And that's how it works in most countries.

              Then what is the conversation about? Everybody is lying. You can't trust anyone. Well, except for you, apparently, with your "guesses".)
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 28 March 2021 22: 41
      +1
      This is a substitution of my logic. It was about the vaccine, and you are talking about the mortality

      Vaccinate and vaccinate, and they die and die ..

      While your logic is being replaced here.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 10: 49
    -6
    9 countries of the world (India, Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, Vietnam, Argentina, Algeria, the United Arab Emirates and Serbia), which together are home to more than 2 billion people, or more than 25% of the world's population.

    A survey was conducted among the visitors to the Reporter's website - do you have an Internet ...
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 28 March 2021 11: 01
    +5
    Quote: AlexZN
    Or maybe Western democracy is not so democratic and there are more levers of influence on the control population, since people are all about the same?

    Questionable logic. It turns out that 80% of Israelis over 60 years old were forcibly vaccinated in a month, also the most dangerous vaccine (at that time), and 3% of elderly people in Russia voluntarily were the best and most popular ...

    I don’t know about Israel, the country is not quite ordinary, perhaps the consciousness of the population is higher, perhaps the economic leverage, you know better. And in Russia, the situation is exactly the same, now there is really no vaccine in the north of Russia, where I live (Yaroslavl, Vologda, Arkhangelsk, Komi Republic, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug). But as I wrote, when it appears, people will not run to get vaccinated.
    For example, I was vaccinated recently with the second stage of Sputnik 5, twenty-one has not yet passed, so full immunity has yet been developed.
    1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
      Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 11: 39
      -3
      First you need to define the concept - democracy. Understand that there are restrictions on democratic freedoms (tomorrow the soldier will refuse to fight, because he is against war in principle). It may be worth abandoning restrictions on smoking, from compulsory treatment of patients with measles, tuberculosis ...
      1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 11: 58
        +2
        tomorrow the soldier will refuse to fight, because he is against war in principle

        Yes, imagine - it is so!
        According to democratic concepts, if this contradicts his personal convictions, then yes - he should have the right to leave the army and refuse to participate in hostilities. (As an example: in Germany this right is enshrined in their constitution)
      2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 28 March 2021 22: 58
        0
        First you need to define the concept - democracy. Understand that there are restrictions on democratic freedoms (tomorrow the soldier will refuse to fight, because he is against war in principle).

        According to the repeated recognition of professional senior army officials, the IDF does not need a call. Yeshibotnikov. Firstly, there is no need for an additional set of soldiers, secondly, there is simply no budget for this, and thirdlywhat is the point of forcibly calling on soldiers who will ultimately obey not the commander, but their rabbi?"

        laughing
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 28 March 2021 11: 07
    +4
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    Indeed, in essence, and individually, it is such a "little tactical trick" - to wait until the vaccine is done by others

    Indeed, many say so, but it seems to me this is a little trick of people. When a large number of people are vaccinated and the side effects are not identified, most will still not go to get vaccinated, as they did not go before for the flu vaccination, which takes place annually. And Covid, it's the same flu.
  • Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 28 March 2021 12: 04
    -5
    Of course, all this is healthy, but people do not need words, but the use of the vaccine and the number of ampoules with it. For some reason, there are no words about this. But this is another area where the Russian Federation cannot succeed.

    Putin

    we do not impose (vaccine) on anyone

    Euronews

    The Russian Federation has submitted a second application for registration of the Sputnik V vaccine in the EU
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 28 March 2021 12: 49
    +5
    Quote: Vladest
    Of course, all this is healthy, but people do not need words, but the use of the vaccine and the number of ampoules with it. For some reason, there are no words about this But this is another area where the Russian Federation cannot succeed.
    Putin "we do not impose on anyone" (the vaccine). Euronews RF has submitted a second application for registration of the Sputnik V vaccine in the EU.

    Submitting an application for registration is not an imposition, for example, registration does not mean a purchase at all. But whoever wants to, he will buy, quite voluntarily. You are just a demagogue, manipulating words to create the appearance of the correctness of what you have written. This is not correct.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 13: 07
    -6
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    tomorrow the soldier will refuse to fight, because he is against war in principle

    Yes, imagine - it is so!
    According to democratic concepts, if this contradicts his personal convictions, then yes - he should have the right to leave the army and refuse to participate in hostilities. (As an example: in Germany this right is enshrined in their constitution)

    You will already decide on the concept of DEMOCRACY ... First, you say that it exists in the Russian Federation, but not in Germany, and then ... Apparently not everything is so simple ... I actually talked about a "standard" soldier, well, not he wants to get out of the trench ... it violates his rights.
    By the way, in Russia there are conditions under which they may not serve or serve in certain units.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 13: 35
      +5
      First, you say that Russia has it, but Germany does not, and then ... Apparently not everything is so simple ...

      Where did I say this verbatim?
      I said literally:

      it is real democracy that allows Russians to make their own decisions about their own vaccinations.

      No more, no less!

      I did not claim that ALL signs of democracy are present or absent somewhere, but gave an example of true democracy in the state of Russia, and precisely on a specific example with vaccinations against Covid 19.

      Or can you dispute this?

      By the way, in Russia there are conditions under which they may not serve or serve in certain units.

      Naturally, there are such conditions. Who argues that? But in this case, these are precisely the conditions. (that is, due to something).
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 13: 40
    -6
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    Is it on the principle - will the paper endure everything?
    Then this applies equally to all other countries.

    Yes! And that's how it works in most countries.

    Then what is the conversation about? Everybody is lying. You can't trust anyone. Well, except for you, apparently, with your "guesses".)

    Nobody canceled a critical attitude to information! Even correct statistics can be given tendentiously, not to mention its falsification, which we constantly see.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 14: 13
      +4
      Nobody canceled a critical attitude to information! Even correct statistics can be given tendentiously, not to mention its falsification, which we constantly see.

      Self-critical.
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 14: 11
    -4
    Title:

    In the world recognized "Sputnik V" as the most popular vaccine

    Text

    The results were published on the website of the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF). It is noted that in the period from February 18 to March 3 this year, YouGov conducted a survey of 9417 respondents. in 9 countries of the world (India, Brazil, Mexico, Philippines, Vietnam, Argentina, Algeria, UAE and Serbia)with a combined population of more than 2 billion people, or more than 25% the population of our planet.

    And no, "popularity" and "recognition" are different things. Popularity indicates demand, not recognition.
    1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
      Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 15: 19
      -7
      In 2020, the compilers of the Russian Book of Records recognized Buzova as the most influential girl with the largest number of subscribers in the CIS.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 15: 27
        -6
        Well, yes, apparently, the author of this news has the same "logic".
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 15: 18
    -6
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    Poles, Ukrainians and Balts are also Slavs.

    And what about the Balts?
    1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 17: 22
      +5
      And what about the Balts?

      Estonians, like Finns, are of Ugric origin, Lithuania and Latvians are of Slavic origin.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 18: 22
        -6
        Lithuania and Latvians - Slavic.

        The sofa expert made a new discovery in ethnography !!! It turns out that the Balts are Slavs :))

        Oh, damn it, where do you come from.
  • rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 28 March 2021 16: 17
    +7
    It is interesting that, judging by the authors of the comments, Jews and Okraintsy are most interested in the state of affairs with vaccination in Russia, would you go to your penates and worry about your fellow tribesmen
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                      2. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 28 March 2021 21: 56
                        +3
                        Cyril ... Let me interfere, how did the aforementioned laws get you so excited? In 1935, no one was going to burn Jews in crematoria.

                        The Germans decided that Germany was a nation state, a state for the Germans. The laws were aimed at ousting Jews from Germany. Jews are likewise driving the Palestinians out of the land they grew up on.
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 22: 21
                        -4
                        First, Isophat, even the "simple" expulsion of Jews from the country already means that Jews and Nazis did not coexist quietly side by side.

                        Secondly, Isofat, the imprisonment of Jews in prisons and concentration camps simply because they were Jews began immediately after the Nazis came to power.

                        Thirdly, Isophat - stop lying.

                        Before the Israeli War of Independence, Jews bought up from the Arabs of the land. Nobody forcibly evicted them anywhere.

                        Today, the Arab population of Israel is not oppressed in any way, the Arabs have equal rights with the Jewish population, their representatives sit in the Knesset. Arabic is, along with Hebrew, the state language of Israel.

                        Arabs in Israel are so "oppressed" that their number increases by 3% annually.

                        Once again, Isophat - stop lying.
                      4. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 28 March 2021 22: 54
                        +3
                        The rights of Jews and Palestinians will be equal when this is enshrined in legislation, but this is not the case. There are no equal rights. The condition is necessary, but not sufficient.

                        Cyril, Jews and today quietly exist with the Bandera Nazis.
                        Concentration camps were built later, and not only Jews were imprisoned.

                        Jews and lands bought up and drove the Palestinians out of their lands. The Palestinians have not yet reconciled, they are fighting for their land.

                        PS Support your accusations against me with evidence. laughing
                      5. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 23: 13
                        -3
                        The rights of Jews and Palestinians will be equal when this is enshrined in legislation, but this is not the case. There are no equal rights.

                        And how do the rights of Jews (citizens of Israel) relate to the rights of Palestinians (citizens of the PNA)? O_O

                        Concentration camps were built later, and not only Jews were imprisoned.

                        The first Nazi concentration camps in Germany, Isofat, appeared already in 1933.

                        and not only Jews were imprisoned.

                        And I argued that only Jews?

                        Jews today live quietly with the Bandera Nazis.

                        If you are hinting at Ukraine, then the government of this country has not introduced any anti-Jewish laws. Jews are not deprived of their civil rights, they are not driven to concentration camps, they are not shot, etc.

                        And there are neo-Nazi groups in every country in the world, including Russia.

                        Jews and lands bought up and drove the Palestinians out of their lands.

                        They began to oust the Palestinians only after the start of the War of Independence, which - attention! - the Arabs unleashed.

                        Support your accusations against me with evidence.

                        First, you back up your lies with them.
                      6. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 00: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: Cyril
                        And how do the rights of Jews (citizens of Israel) relate to the rights of Palestinians?

                        Do you know that not only Jews live in Israel?

                        The first concentration camps that you mentioned were just like the concentration camps, which I mean, they were built later. The camps of 1933 were not built for Jews. They were planted in them on a different basis.

                        You grab at any straw. There was a period when drunkards and bums were placed in these camps. Maybe during this period Jews were placed there? smile

                        Jews and Nazi-Bandera coexist peacefully, you will not refute that. lol

                        PS Read how Jewish colonists were the cause of major conflicts in Palestine even before the declaration of statehood.
                      7. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 02: 30
                        -3
                        Do you know that not only Jews live in Israel?

                        Of course I know. And the Israeli Arabs, and the Druze, and the Circassians and other peoples living in Israel, have the same rights with the Jews. I've been talking about this for so long.

                        What does this have to do with the Palestinian Arabs who live in the PNA?

                        The first concentration camps that you mentioned were just like the concentration camps, which I mean, they were built later. The camps of 1933 were not built for Jews. They were planted in them on a different basis.

                        A concentration camp is a concentration camp no matter what you mean by that term. This is a place of compulsory detention of persons selected on any grounds.

                        Until 1936, concentration camps were really imprisoned mainly on the basis of political, not racial affiliation. Here you are right, I was wrong. On the other hand, a German prisoner after "correction" had a chance to be released, a Jewish prisoner practically did not.

                        But in general, yes, here you are right,

                        Jews and Nazi-Bandera coexist peacefully, you will not refute that.

                        "Nazi-Bandera" Jews at the moment are not threatened with mass deportations, executions, or slave labor.

                        Oh, you will not believe it, it turns out that the Slavs and the Nazis got along quite well. Lokot self-government is an example of this.

                        Read how Jewish colonists were the cause of major conflicts in Palestine even before the declaration of statehood.

                        Of course they "caused" buying up for money the Arabs have land. When the Arabs woke up, the Jews already owned a significant amount of land. Who is to blame for this? Jews? They paid money, the Arabs sold. Everything is fair.
                      8. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 02: 47
                        +2


                        Israel is the home of the Jewish people. smile Equality is already absent at the legislative level. And this is a necessary sign, if it is not there, then you can not argue further.

                        No need to fool people, only eleven percent of their territory was bought by Jews from Arabs. Scattered pieces.
                      9. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 03: 24
                        -4
                        Israel is the home of the Jewish people. smile Equality is already absent at the legislative level.

                        That's right, and Russia is the home of the Russian people. What is discriminatory in this? This principle does not in the least negate the rights of other peoples of Israel. Arab citizens of Israel have the same rights as Jews.

                        This law grants Jews "the exclusive right to national self-determination in this country." What's discriminatory about it if the Arabs already have their states?

                        Of the "Basic Law" adopted in Israel, the only controversial point is the law on the state language, which became Hebrew. However, the Arabic language, although it lost its state status, now has a special status. It is used for teaching in Arab schools, a quota is allocated for it in television and radio broadcasts, and Arabs can freely use it.

                        Now let's see how things are with the state language in Russia. The Constitution says that throughout the territory of the Russian Federation, the only state language is ... Russian. In the same Constitution of the Russian Federation, the right to establish their own state language is assigned to national subjects, but it will be such only on the territory of this subject.

                        And now the question is - are there national subjects in Israel? No. 80% of the population is Jews, Arabs and other peoples account for only 20%.

                        So why should Arabic be the second state?
                      10. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 09: 14
                        +2
                        Cyril. Equality in Israel is already absent at the legislative level. And this is a necessary sign, if it is not there, then you can not argue further.
                      11. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 09: 28
                        -2
                        There is no lack of equality in Israel.
                  2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 03: 25
                    -3
                    No need to fool people, only eleven percent of their territory was bought by Jews from Arabs. Scattered pieces.

                    Proof of?
                  3. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 09: 23
                    +1
                    ... until 1937 Zionist institutions acquired
                    only about five percent of the private lands of Mandatory Palestine suitable for
                    agricultural processing. A decade later, by the time of the announcement of the "plan
                    section "of the country in 1947, they owned only 7% of the cultivated land (and approximately
                    11% of the total area of ​​the country).

                    see Shlomo Sand - "Who and How Invented the Country of Israel", p. 187.
                  4. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 09: 47
                    -2
                    You contradict yourself. If at the time of the formation of the State of Israel, Jews owned only 11% of the country's area and 7% of the cultivated land, then there was no mass seizure of land from the Arabs, which you are talking about here :)

                    And already the rest of the country was provided to them according to the Plan for the partition of Palestine into 2 independent states.
                  5. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 10: 09
                    +1
                    Cyril, they bought this interest and stole the rest.
                  6. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 11: 54
                    -2
                    they bought this interestand the rest was stolen.

                    So. you agree. that the territories that the Jews owned in 1947 were bought? ok, already progress.
                  7. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 12: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Cyril
                    So. you agree. that the territories that the Jews owned in 1947 were bought?

                    So, I disagree, it seemed to you.
                  8. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 12: 05
                    -4
                    So I disagree, it seemed to you.

                    Are you giving up on your words?

                    they bought this interest, and the rest was stolen.

                    You are confused, Isophat, in your own lies.
                  9. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 12: 27
                    +1
                    Cyril, you say more than once that I am lying. Do not be lazy, justify each their accusation with facts.
                  10. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 12: 31
                    -3
                    Do not be lazy, substantiate each of your accusations with facts.

                    I quoted your own words 2 times :)

                    they bought this interestand the rest was stolen.

                    Do you want to try again? Okay

                    they bought this interestand the rest was stolen.

                    Again? Okay

                    they bought this interestand the rest was stolen.

                    Let me remind you that "these percentages" mean the following:

                    After a decade, by the time of the announcement of the "plan
                    section "of the country in 1947
                    , they only owned 7% of cultivated land (and approximately
                    11% of the total area of ​​the country)
                    .

                    and now the following quote:

                    So I disagree, it seemed to you.

                    Isophat, are you 5 years old?)
                  11. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 14: 09
                    +1
                    So I disagree is the answer to your question. The question sounded like this:

                    Quote: Cyril
                    So. you agree. that the territories that the Jews owned in 1947 were bought? ok, already progress.

                    I answered you honestly, without cheating. And where did I tell you a lie?

                    PS Some of your "justifications" are flawed, don't you think?
                  12. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 14: 13
                    -3
                    I answered you honestly, without cheating. And where did I tell you a lie?

                    Because you said the following before (you have to repeat it again, you don't get it):

                    they bought this interestand the rest was stolen.

                    Once again, under these percentages it was indicated (from your own quote):

                    A decade later, by the time of the announcement of the "plan
                    section "of the country in 1947, they owned only 7% of the cultivated land (and approximately
                    11% of the total area of ​​the country).

                    Isophat, well, grow up already, well, it's funny :)
                  13. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 14: 29
                    +1
                    Cyril, do not test my patience, where did I lie?
                    If this episode doesn't work out for you, try another one. I'll wait.

                    Cyril, you have written more than once that I am lying. Do not be lazy, justify each their accusation with facts.

                    Something is not working out for you. laughing
                  14. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 14: 31
                    -2
                    do not test my patience

                    Wow, how scary. What will you do? Will you complain to your mom?)

                    where did I lie?

                    I showed you where you lied. Several times already :)

                    The fact that you don't get it - well, it happens.
                  15. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 14: 51
                    0
                    If you find a contradiction in my statements, formulate what contradicts what. I do not find contradictory.

                    I am flattered that you constantly quote me, but I would like to finally hear something intelligible.

                    I dare to assure you that I am not deceiving you. Perhaps you think that the land, over 11 percent, was obtained in an honest way? So this is my opinion, the land was stolen, all without cheating.
  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 10: 29
    +1
    Through
    the special law "on the property of the absent", passed in 1950, was
    more than two million dunums have been confiscated, 3 that is, about 40% of private Arab lands.
    In parallel, all state lands previously administered by British credentials
    departments (about 10%) also became the property of the State of Israel. Eventually
    rather complicated process of expropriation, two-thirds of the land belonging to
    Palestinian-Israelis, were forever taken away from them.

    see Shlomo Sand - "Who and How Invented the Country of Israel", p. 190.
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 12: 00
    -3
    read carefully the name of the law and you will be happy. The Arabs fled from their lands, many refused to return until the "liberation of Palestine from the Jews." Do the Jews wait until they have a shortage in their brains and they dare to return home? Why would you?
  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 12: 11
    +1
    Cyril... Read carefully the research of the historian, whose words I quoted, he writes that the lands were taken away. yes
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 12: 18
    -1
    I deliberately did not focus on the personality of Zand himself, because the argument to authority (or to anti-authority) is not a method of logical argumentation. But since you yourself started, then ok.

    Shlomo Sand as a scientist-historian has an ambiguous reputation in the academic community. Something like our "overthrower of the falsification of history" Fomenko.

    Again. Read the law itself, see the wording adopted in it, to whom and how they apply.
  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 12: 36
    +1
    Cyril... The Jews adopted a law that justified their subsequent actions.

    As a result of this law, more than two million dunams3 were confiscated, that is, about 40% of private Arab lands. In parallel, all state lands previously controlled by the British mandate offices (about 10%) also became the property of the State of Israel. As a result of a rather complicated process of expropriation, two-thirds of the land belonging to
    Palestinian-Israelis, were forever taken away from them.

    And what are you arguing about? smile
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 12: 40
    -2
    The Jews adopted a law that justified their actions.

    The Jews passed a law regulating the use of derelict land left by the Arabs who had fled to other countries.

    Attention, first there was the flight of the Arabs - then the law, and not vice versa.

    No one forcibly took their land from the Arabs, they left it themselves.
  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 13: 31
    0
    Quote: Cyril
    No one forcibly took their land from the Arabs, they left it themselves.

    Cyrildo you know the reason why the Palestinians left their land? Why did they give up Jerusalem, the Golan Heights, etc. smile
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 13: 47
    -2
    do you know the reason why the Palestinians left their land?

    Of course:

    The Arab High Committee (actually the governing body of the Palestinian Arabs) forced Arabs living in Jaffa, Jerusalem, Haifa and other urban centers to leave their homes by force or persuasion "Until the Jews are exterminated." London weekly "The Economist" (October 2, 1948) wrote: "Of the 62 thousand Arabs who lived in Haifa, no more than five or six thousand remained <...> The most powerful factors (in flight) were declarations and proclamations made by the Palestinian-Arab Supreme Committee calling on all Arabs in Haifa to leave the city and warning that those who remain under Jewish rule in Haifa will be considered traitors. ".
    Arab leaders and the Arab Liberation Army urged urban and rural Arab populations to evacuate in order to facilitate the success of the Arabs' attack and then take over Jewish homes.
    Abu Mazen (Filastin A-Thawra, March 1976) wrote: "The Arab armies forced the Palestinians to leave their homes.".
    Khaled al-Azam, Syrian Prime Minister (memoirs, 1973): “We brought refugees to disaster, urging them to leave their homes.”
    Jordanian daily Palestine (February 19, 1949): "Arab states ... incited Palestinians to temporarily leave their homes so as not to interfere with the invasion of the Arab armies."
    Al-Ayyam daily (13 May 2008): “The Arab Liberation Army told the Palestinians: 'Leave your homes and villages and you will be back in a few days. If you leave them, then we can fulfill our mission ... "".
    The writer Salah Jubran described the events in Haifa of that time (1962): “The high Arab command asked the population to leave the country for two weeks so as not to interfere with military operations. They told us: “The guns do not distinguish who is in front of them - Arabs or Jews. Leave the country for a few weeks and you will come back with a victory ... “I heard a Haganah speaker calling on the Arabs to stay and live in peace with the Jewish brothers. The late mayor of Haifa also requested the population to return to our homes. Histadrut, our union, distributed flyers urging Arabs to return. I still have such a leaflet. ”
    Rumors of alleged Jewish atrocities, including after the battle for the village of Deir Yasin.
    Jordanian daily Al Urdun (April 9, 1953): "The Arab leaders were responsible for the flight (of the Arabs) by spreading exaggerated rumors of Jewish atrocities in order to incite Arabs by instilling fear into the souls of Palestinians."
    Yahya Hammuda, the former (1966) PLO chairman, said in an interview with the Christian Science Monitor: “The Jews did not kick us out of the Lifts; the entire village was abandoned by the residents after the murder of 35 people from the Jewish convoy in April 1948 in order to forestall the alleged revenge of the Jews. "
    There are also known cases when Arab commanders gave the order to evacuate Arab residents who were suspected of collaborating with Jews.
    Palestinians fled their homes before the outbreak of the full-scale war of 1948-49, even at a time when the Arabs were clearly dominant.
    Ismail Safuot, Commander-in-Chief of the Arab Liberation Army (March 23, 1948): "The Jews did not attack a single Arab village if they had not been attacked before."
    John Troutbek, head of the British Middle East Mission in Cairo (June 1949): “Refugees speak with extreme bitterness about the Egyptians and other Arab countries. They know who their enemies are, and they refer to their Arab brothers, who, as they claim, have in vain persuaded them to leave their homes ... ”
  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 14: 17
    +1
    Cyril, you did not give a reason. And I read the quote, you confirmed that the Palestinians left their lands due to threats, forcibly.
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 29 March 2021 18: 24
    +1
    I did not specifically focus on the personality of Zand himself.

    This is the usual last resort of all "yours."

    I have heard it more than once that it is easier to imagine a chela as an "eccentric" than to face the truth ..
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 29 March 2021 18: 18
    +1
    Cyril. Read carefully the research of the historian, whose words I quoted, he writes that the lands were taken away. yes

    At the mishling Cyril. there is no concept of "taken away".
    There is a concept of "honestly busy" through partial outbidding, but mostly banal expulsion of the Arab population.
    He considers this to be a completely normal process, because it was for the benefit of the State of Israel and other interpretations of history simply do not exist for him.
    "This cannot be, because it can never be ..."
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 29 March 2021 18: 10
    +3
    read carefully the name of the law and you will be happy. The Arabs fled from their lands, many refused to return until the "liberation of Palestine from the Jews." Do the Jews wait until they have a shortage in their brains and they dare to return home? Why would you?

    The Arabs did not flee, they were driven from their lands, which has been proven.

    The Jews were happy to clean up other people's property, without experiencing complexes on this topic.
    Armenians, who also thought approximately.

    Do the Jews wait until they have a shortage in their brains and they dare to return home?

    And those who once occupied the empty Azerbaijani lands in the regions adjacent to Karabakh had to bitterly regret what they had done.
    Recently..
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 28 March 2021 23: 21
    +1
    First, Isophat, even the "simple" expulsion of Jews from the country already means that Jews and Nazis did not coexist quietly side by side.

    In January 1944, the Wehrmacht personnel department prepared a secret list of 77 high-ranking officers and generals, "mixed with the Jewish race or married to Jewish women." All 77 had Hitler's personal certificates of "German blood". Among those listed - 23 colonels, 5 major generals, 8 lieutenant generals and two full army generals. To this list can be added another 60 names of senior officers and generals of the Wehrmacht, aviation and navy, including two field marshals. "
    In 1940, all officers with two Jewish grandparents were ordered to leave military service. Those who were "tainted" by Jewry only from the side of one of the grandfathers could remain in the army in rank-and-file positions. The reality was different - these orders were not carried out. therefore they were repeated to no avail in 1942, 1943 and 1944


    https://www.rjews.net/gazeta/briman1.shtml
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 23: 32
    -3
    Thanks again for confirming my words once again :)

    In January 1944, the Wehrmacht personnel department prepared a secret list of 77 high-ranking officers and generals, "mixed with the Jewish race or married to Jewish women. "

    It's about mishlings

    Therefore, they were repeated to no avail in 1942, 1943 and 1944.

    AND? The Germans pragmatically turned a blind eye to high-ranking officers-Mishlings in the face of staff shortages caused by the war and their own repressions. What's so surprising about that?
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 18: 50
    -5
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    Holocaust is dated 1941 to 1945. Right? Now compare this fact with the year Hitler came to power in Germany, and with the year the war began.
    All these years, the Jews quietly existed alongside the Nazis, worked for their benefit, naively thinking that they would be carried over? But no .. it didn't. Then the Slavs had to sacrifice their lives. For what? What would such rubbish as you write to me today, a descendant of your grandfathers' liberators from death, all sorts of nasty things?
    How many do you take on?

    Today, in addition to a heap of factual errors, you are still going beyond the accepted framework! These are no longer mistakes, this is the very falsification!
    In 1935, the Nuremberg laws were passed affecting Jews in rights, from 1939 to 1941 Jews were obliged to wear stars and began to organize a ghetto. To write that the Jews shared ideas and supported fascism to the last is not stupidity, this is meanness.
    Note that Soviet Jews fought like all the peoples of the USSR.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 19: 01
      -3
      To write that the Jews shared ideas and supported fascism to the last is not stupidity, this is meanness.

      Moreover, he also weaves his ancestor, who fought in the war, to his lies.

      This ancestor, probably now facepalmite, seeing that his descendant himself is no different from the Nazis.
    2. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 20: 05
      +3
      Note that Soviet Jews fought like all the peoples of the USSR.

      Do you always interpret in a frying pan the way that is more profitable for you at this moment?)

      Then you don't like the comparison between Jews and Israelis:

      You might notice the difference between the concept of a Jew and an Israeli (it seems like I wrote about the Israelis).

      So let's define it! How many Jews will there be from you? Soviet Jews, Turkish Jews, Mongolian Jews .. are you even a Jew, or who ???
      Who are you broadcasting for here at all?

      Today, in addition to a heap of factual errors, you are still going beyond the accepted framework!

      "Framework")????

      What are the frames ???

      Who delivered ???

      Who delivered ????

      To me?????

      Do you even know where you are now?

      You are visiting here.
      And please behave like a guest. Observing the "framework" of the host party.
      I do not like?
      Go away! To your "promised fiefdom."
      You have nothing to do here, with your disgusting thoughts - pouring dirt on Russia.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 20: 18
        -4
        And then the Expert suffered :) He became very nervous.

        Looks like AlexZN hit the bull's-eye.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 20: 21
          +3
          And then the Expert suffered :) He became very nervous.
          Looks like AlexZN hit the bull's-eye.

          We were drunk)
          Let's see what the Maestro will answer without the help of the sixes.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 20: 34
            -1
            We were drunk)

            Do you think this somehow justifies your incontinence?

            Let's see what the Maestro will answer without the help of the sixes.

            I'm more interested in what you will answer when he once again nods you.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 20: 46
              +1
              We were drunk)
              Do you think this somehow justifies your incontinence?

              But what about? Without drinking, in Russia there is no way!)

              But you can't understand it (even jokes)

              Let's see what the Maestro will answer without the help of the sixes.

              I'm more interested in what you will answer when he once again nods you.

              I don't think (hopefully) this will happen.

              A respected person will not want to dirty himself with at least some kind of connection with you.
              Well .. wait. We'll see. I don't want to, but maybe I'm wrong.)
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 20: 53
                -2
                But what about? Without drinking, in Russia there is no way!)

                Yes, in this regard, I do not want to have anything to do with "Russianness". Here you are right.

                I don't think (hopefully) this will happen.

                This has already happened, Expert, and more than once.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 21: 07
                  +1
                  I don't want to have anything to do with "Russianness".

                  That says it all, Kyril.) Don't go deeper.

                  This has already happened, Expert, and more than once.

                  That is, you want to say that you are engaged here exclusively in confirming the fact of "dipping the Dear Sofa Expert's nose"?))

                  Eck I'm an important figure then!))
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 21: 11
                    -3
                    That says it all, Kyril.) Don't go deeper.

                    I was told

                    Yes, in this plan I don't want to have anything to do with "Russianness".

                    And "Russianness" is in quotation marks.

                    If for you "Russianness" is booze, then ok, remain an ardent defender of such "Russianness".

                    That is, you want to say that you are engaged here exclusively in confirming the fact of "dipping the Dear Sofa Expert's nose"?))

                    Yes, I dunked you myself more than once :)

                    Eck I'm an important figure then!))

                    Just funny. So, having fun reading your lies, in between work - it’s the very thing.
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 21: 30
                      +2
                      That says it all, Kyril.) Don't go deeper.

                      I was told

                      Yes, in this regard, I do not want to have anything to do with "Russianness".

                      The word is not a sparrow, Cyril, will fly out, you will not catch. If they were Russian, they would know that.)

                      That is, you want to say that you are engaged here exclusively in confirming the fact of "dipping the Dear Sofa Expert's nose"?))

                      Yes, I dunked you myself more than once :)

                      What a "dummy".)
                      As I understand it, you consider yourself a winner by being the last to say the word?)
                      And it didn’t occur to you in your narrow-minded head that if they didn’t answer you anymore, then this may mean that you have already played your role of “Moor” in the dialogue, and “you can die”?)

                      Oh, what a fool you are, really.)

                      Eck I'm an important figure then!))

                      Just funny. So, having fun reading your lies, in between work - it’s the very thing.

                      Yes. Fool.
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 21: 46
                        -3
                        The word is not a sparrow, Cyril, will fly out, you will not catch.

                        But it was with you that it (a word, even three words) took off.

                        As I understand it, you consider yourself a winner by being the last to say the word?)

                        I consider myself a winner only on the grounds that you cannot answer my arguments on the merits and start to find fault with my nickname.

                        And it didn’t occur to you in your narrow-minded head that if they didn’t answer you anymore, then this may mean that you have already played your role of “Moor” in the dialogue, and “you can die”?)

                        Stop trying to keep a good face in a bad game, Expert :) You were dunked in a puddle by me and AlexZN, your attempts to get out look ridiculous.

                        Yes. Fool.

                        You are too self-critical of yourself. I think you are just a nonentity :)
                      2. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 21: 56
                        +3
                        I consider myself a winner only on the basis that you cannot answer my arguments.

                        You are not giving arguments. You are just a boring yap, clinging to some single words you have taken out of context, Kyril. I'm not the only one who is telling you this. As an opponent, you are a complete nonentity, sorry.

                        and yours:

                        You were dunked by both me and AlexZN, your attempts to get out look ridiculous.

                        They look really ridiculous.

                        Who is AlexZN (!), And who are you?

                        Do not try to put yourself on a par with my respected opponent!
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 22: 32
                        -4
                        You are not giving arguments.

                        Led))

                        In response to your blatant lie that until 1941 the Jews "quietly coexisted" with the Nazis, I brought up the fact of the adoption of the Nuremberg racial laws.

                        You have not answered this factual argument.

                        In response to your blatant lie that most of the Soviet prisoners of war who surrendered to the Germans in the initial period of the Second World War were Ukrainians and Balts, I gave you a link, where it was proved by specific examples that the personnel of the Red Army units that faced the Nazis in the first period of the war , was formed mainly from the inhabitants of the RSFSR.

                        You didn't answer that.

                        You are silent like a fish that has taken water into its mouth, simply because you have nothing to answer to this :)

                        Who is AlexZN and who are you?

                        Do not try to put yourself on a par with my respected opponent!

                        And I'm not trying, but we gave the same arguments with him.

                        And neither he, you supposedly respected, nor me, you answered these arguments.

                        Stop fiddling around, Expert, well, you look ridiculous.
                      4. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 22: 48
                        +2
                        You have not answered this factual argument.

                        I have no, and cannot be, an answer to your blatant lie that: "the majority of Soviet prisoners of war who surrendered to the Germans in the initial period of the Second World War ... were formed mainly from the inhabitants of the RSFSR."

                        You are a vile liar and provocateur, kyril.

                        I hope that the site administration sees this too.
                      5. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 22: 58
                        +2
                        You are silent like a fish that has taken water into its mouth, simply because you have nothing to answer to this :)

                        Socio-political reasons: the repressive policy of the Soviet state (red terror, collectivization, Stalinist repressions) caused significant discontent both among the population of the USSR, especially peasants, and among residents of the newly annexed territories (Western Ukraine, the Baltic States), who refused to provide armed resistance on the side USSR and who preferred to voluntarily surrender.

                        https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Советские_военнопленные_во_время_Великой_Отечественной_войны
                      6. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 23: 33
                        -4
                        Socio-political reasons: the repressive policy of the Soviet state (red terror, collectivization, Stalinist repressions) caused significant discontent both among the population of the USSR, especially peasants, and among residents of the newly annexed territories (Western Ukraine, the Baltic States), who refused to provide armed resistance on the side USSR and who preferred to voluntarily surrender.

                        And where, liar, in the excerpt you quoted, does it say that Western Ukrainians and Balts made up the majority of Soviet prisoners of war?)

                        Come on, Expert, turn and turn, I want to look at it some more.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 28 March 2021 20: 48
    -3
    Everything follows the usual scheme ... from - I respect these people, through - we saved you, to get out of here.
    It's trite. I hoped you wouldn't stoop to that, but I was wrong.
    All the best.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 20: 58
      +2
      Everything follows the usual scheme ... from - I respect these people, through - we saved you, to get out of here.
      It's trite. I hoped you wouldn't stoop to that, but I was wrong.
      All the best.

      AlexZN,
      Good day, you will tell me when I'm sure I won't see you again in your last role. As for the rest .. it was always interesting to talk to you.

      By the way. I never suspected you of the need to use the help of cheap trolls, a la Kyril. Personally, you, with YOUR opinion, have always been interesting to me.

      Do not put your "scythe at the stone", but step over the "line". And maybe we (in particular: you and me), will bring here for our (worthy of respect!) Peoples more benefit than harm.

      In principle, with great respect for your opinion, UDV.
    2. Dear sofa expert. 28 March 2021 22: 06
      +3
      Everything follows the usual scheme ... from - I respect these people, through - we saved you, to get out of here.
      Trite.

      No, don't oversimplify.
      People respect this one thing, Saved it a fact, and - "get out of here" - this is from the "mantra": everything is in your hands, my friend. Do not be rude, and you will not be «rude». A little tact and respect, and the Great Russian Soul will open its arms to you.
      Here in Russia it has always been like this. Either you are a friend or you are an enemy. The average is not given. So the choice is yours.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 12: 11
        -3
        Here in Russia it has always been like this. Either you are a friend or you are an enemy.

        Perhaps it was this principle that was guided by Molotov, congratulating the Germans in 1939 on the capture of Poland?)
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 12: 16
          +2
          Cyrilwe do not know what guided Molotov, but the fact can be interpreted in different ways.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 12: 20
            -3
            what guided Molotov, we do not know, but the fact can be interpreted in different ways.

            Wooo, your spinning in the pan has begun :)

            The expert said what? "In Russia you are either a friend or an enemy. There is no middle ground." As soon as I gave a concrete example of this very "average", you immediately started squealing about "interpretations" :)

            You and the Expert will somehow agree on a common line of defense, otherwise like some inept liars.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 13: 01
              +3
              Cyril, it seems to me that you are at my phrase:

              Quote: isofat
              ... what guided Molotov, we do not know, but the fact can be interpreted in different ways.

              - could not object to anything, and your unhealthy imagination draws you the presence of a frying pan next to me.

              Your question has been answered, but you are rude.

              PS Rudeness, this is not an answer or an argument. wink
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 30 March 2021 04: 09
                -1
                it seems to me,

                Cross yourself.

                - could not object to anything

                How could I not? He completely objected to himself, pointing out your spinning.

                Your question has been answered, but you are rude.

                No, you haven't answered my question. You started to play around, rassing about "interpretations" and so on.
              2. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 30 March 2021 14: 09
                0
                Quote: Cyril
                No, you haven't answered my question.

                This is the answer to your question:

                Quote: isofat
                Cyril, we do not know what was the motivation behind Molotov, but the fact can be interpreted in different ways.

                A short, quite, phrase. Lack of analytical skills, you more than compensate with your rich imagination. hi

                PS

                Quote: Cyril
                No, you haven't answered my question. You started to play around, rassing about "interpretations" and so on.
              3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 30 March 2021 14: 10
                -1
                Cyril, we do not know what was the motivation behind Molotov, but the fact can be interpreted in different ways.

                This is such a meaningless "answer" that does not answer anything that there is simply nothing to analyze here :)
              4. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 30 March 2021 14: 14
                0
                PS But there was a place for your fantasies!
              5. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 30 March 2021 14: 25
                -1
                What fantasies?) There was a place for a metaphor. It's no one's fault that you like to spin :)
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 20: 58
    -3
    Observing the "framework" of the host party.

    "Host frame" - is it a shameless lie?)
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 28 March 2021 23: 57
      +3
      "Host frame" - is it a shameless lie?)

      Major of the Wehrmacht Robert Borchardt, who received the Knight's Cross for a tank breakthrough of the Russian front in August 1941, was captured by the British at El Alamein, after which it turned out that his Jewish father lived in London. In 1944 Borchardt was released to his father, but in 1946 he returned to Germany. In 1983, shortly before his death, Borchardt told German schoolchildren: "Many Jews and half-Jews who fought for Germany in World War II believed that they should honestly defend their Fatherland while serving in the army.".
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 01: 25
        -3
        In 1983, shortly before his death, Borchardt told German schoolchildren: "Many Jews and half-Jews who fought for Germany in World War II believed that they should honestly defend their Fatherland while serving in the army."

        Honestly fulfilling their duty to the country in which they were born, and "sacredly believing in the ideals of Nazism" - is this the same thing with you?

        It turns out that those former White Guards who called on and themselves participated in the fight against the Nazis on the side of the USSR become automatically loyal communists?

        The "logic" of the patriots is all curious and curious. And more primitive at the same time.
        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 29 March 2021 17: 42
          +1
          Honestly fulfilling their duty to the country in which they were born, and "sacredly believing in the ideals of Nazism" - is this the same thing with you?

          150 thousand Jewish soldiers and officers who fought in the Hitler's armies what did they do in Russia ??
          "Honestly fulfilling their duty to the country" ??? negative
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 30 March 2021 04: 01
            -2
            "Honestly fulfilling their duty to the country" ???

            Exactly.
            1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 30 March 2021 20: 47
              +1
              The number and ethnic composition of prisoners of war in the USSR during the period from the beginning of the Great Patriotic War (June 22, 1941) until the end of World War II (September 2, 1945):

              Jews - 10
              I have no more questions for you ..
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 28 March 2021 23: 26
    +2
    Today, in addition to a heap of factual errors, you are still going beyond the accepted framework! These are no longer mistakes, this is the very falsification!

    Former Chancellor of Germany Helmut Schmidt, Luftwaffe officer and grandson of a Jew, testifies: "Only in my air unit there were 15-20 guys like me. I am convinced that Rigg's deep immersion in the problems of German soldiers of Jewish origin will open up new perspectives in studying the military history of Germany in the XNUMXth century."
    Rigg has single-handedly documented 1200 examples of mishlinge service in the Wehrmacht - soldiers and officers with close Jewish ancestors. A thousand of these front-line soldiers had 2300 Jewish relatives killed - nephews, aunts, uncles, grandfathers, grandmothers, mothers and fathers.


    https://www.rjews.net/gazeta/briman1.shtml
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 29 March 2021 18: 45
    +3
    To write that the Jews shared ideas and supported fascism to the last is not stupidity, this is meanness.

    Are you talking about this ??

    According to the memoirs of the German communist Bernhard Kandt, a former deputy of the Mecklenburg Landtag, and later in Sachselhausen, about the work of the SAW prisoners:

    “We had to apply six meters of sand to the forest soil. The forest was not cut down, which had to be done by a special army team. There were pine trees, as I recall now, which were 100-120 children. None of them have been uprooted. The prisoners were not given axes. One of the boys had to climb to the very top, tie a long rope, and below two hundred men had to pull it. "Have taken! Have taken! Have taken!". Looking at them, the thought came to the construction of the Egyptian pyramids. The overseers (capos) of these former Wehrmacht employees were two Jews: Wolf and Lachmann. From the roots of the uprooted pines, they cut down two clubs and in turn beat this boy ... So through bullying, without shovels and axes, they uprooted all the pines together with the roots! " According to the memories of the survivors, the prisoners hated the entire Jewish nation after that ...


    PS Jewish capos in concentration camps is a separate topic altogether, do you want to develop it ??

    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 30 March 2021 04: 05
      -1
      Jewish capos in concentration camps is a separate topic altogether, do you want to develop it ??

      Yes, let's follow up. And at the same time remember the Russian accomplices of the Nazis, who shot and mocked their own Russian brothers. Well, here's her for example:

      Antonina Makarovna Makarova (nee Panfilova, married Ginzburg; March 1, 1920, Malaya Volkovka, Sychevsky district, Smolensk province - August 11, 1979, Bryansk, RSFSR, USSR) - Soviet war criminal, executioner of the Lokotsky district during the Great Patriotic War, by shooting the service of the German occupation authorities and Russian collaborators about 1500 people, mainly Soviet partisans and civilians. At the time of the executions, she was also known as Tonka the machine gunner.

      I ask the question again - if you judge the whole nation by individual representatives of a certain nation, then how are you different from the Nazis?
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 28 March 2021 19: 13
    +5
    Quote: Cyril
    Lithuania and Latvians - Slavic.

    The sofa expert made a new discovery in ethnography !!! It turns out that the Balts are Slavs :))

    Oh, damn it, where do you come from.

    I will surprise you, even in the territory of northern, eastern and even northwestern Germany, Slavic tribes lived many centuries ago. Therefore, on the modern territory of these parts of Germany, Slavic roots are strong. What can we say about the Baltic States, where the Slavs have also lived since ancient times.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 19: 20
      -5
      I will surprise you

      Don't be surprised. I am aware of the Polabian Slavs without you.

      What can we say about the Baltic States, where the Slavs have also lived since ancient times.

      And on the territory of modern Japan, the Ainu once lived. Does this mean that the Japanese are Ainu?

      Again. Balts (Lithuanians and Latvians) are NOT Slavs. This is a fact established by science and ethnography.
    2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 28 March 2021 20: 37
      +3
      but this guss cyril cannot understand
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 28 March 2021 19: 34
    +4
    Quote: Cyril
    And on the territory of modern Japan, the Ainu once lived. Does this mean that the Japanese are Ainu?

    But the Slavs have not gone anywhere, therefore the Balts have their genes.
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 28 March 2021 19: 35
    +4
    Quote: Cyril
    And on the territory of modern Japan, the Ainu once lived. Does this mean that the Japanese are Ainu?

    But the Slavs did not go anywhere, did not leave this territory, but remained there, therefore, the Balts have their genes. And as far as I remember, the Japanese carved the Ainu well that way.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 19: 53
      -4
      But the Slavs did not go anywhere, did not leave this territory, but remained there, therefore, the Balts have their genes.

      So what? And some Slavic tribes have genes of the Balts.

      The Balts even without this had common genes with the Slavs, for both of these branches belong to the Indo-European peoples.

      In addition, belonging to a particular ethnic group is determined not only by genetics.

      And as far as I remember, the Japanese carved the Ainu well that way.

      The Japanese assimilated the Ainu. There was no general genocide there.
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 28 March 2021 19: 59
    +4
    Quote: Cyril
    So what? And some Slavic tribes have genes of the Balts.

    I did not claim the opposite, of course, there are those Slavs who lived in the Baltic States.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 20: 06
      -4
      I did not claim the opposite, of course, there are those Slavs who lived in the Baltic States.

      And not only on its territory. For example, there is evidence of the influence of the Baltic tribes on the Slavic tribe of the Vyatichi.

      This all means that, given the undoubted interaction of these two branches of the Indo-Europeans, the interpenetration of their genetics and cultures, it is incorrect to call the Balts Slavs. Otherwise, it can be agreed that the Russians living in Tatarstan are also Tatars.
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 28 March 2021 20: 06
    +4
    Quote: Cyril
    But the Slavs did not go anywhere, did not leave this territory, but remained there, therefore, the Balts have their genes.

    So what? And some Slavic tribes have genes of the Balts.

    The Balts even without this had common genes with the Slavs, for both of these branches belong to the Indo-European peoples.

    In addition, belonging to a particular ethnic group is determined not only by genetics.

    And as far as I remember, the Japanese carved the Ainu well that way.

    The Japanese assimilated the Ainu. There was no general genocide there.

    Through armed struggle against the Ainu for 1500 years. And so yes, something is left of the Ainu. But judging by the fact that the Japanese are entirely Asians, and the Ainu were European, not much of them remained in the genes of the Japanese.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 20: 26
      -5
      Through armed struggle against the Ainu for 1500 years.

      There was an armed struggle and peaceful coexistence. At different times in different ways. It is historically incorrect to say that the Japanese did what they slaughtered the Ainu and then assimilated the rest.

      Ains, in principle, were initially few. This was a fairly isolated ethnic group. They did not have a developed agriculture, the main industry was gathering, hunting and fishing. Therefore, in principle, they could not create a large population in conditions of limited natural resources.

      The Japanese, having come to the Islands, already had the technology of growing rice and other agricultural plants, which allowed them to become the quantitatively dominant crop. The assimilation of the Ainu was just a matter of time.

      And the facial features of the Ainu were more Australoid than Caucasoid.
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 28 March 2021 20: 30
    +3
    Quote: Cyril
    And not only on its territory. For example, there is evidence of the influence of the Baltic tribes on the Slavic tribe of the Vyatichi.

    you have moved away from the topic.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 20: 36
      -3
      you have moved away from the topic.

      Why did he leave? We are now discussing the question of whether the Balts were or were not a Slavic tribe.

      A sofa expert and you claim to have been. For the Balts have the genes of the Slavs and they populated the common territory.

      So I give you specific examples that the presence of common genes and territory is not a criterion for identification.
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 28 March 2021 20: 39
    +2
    Quote: Cyril
    Why did he leave? We are now discussing the question of whether the Balts were or were not a Slavic tribe.

    in the territory of the Baltic States lived at different times, different tribes, that's right. And the influence of some peoples, on others, does not affect anything here.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 20: 42
      -3
      lived on the territory of the Baltic at different times, different tribes, this is so... And the influence of some peoples, on others, does not affect anything here.

      So explain the highlighted to the Sofa Expert.

      And I said about the influence in relation to the fact that the interpenetration of genes and cultures is not yet a basis for identifying two different branches of Indo-Europeans.
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 28 March 2021 21: 01
    +3
    Quote: Cyril
    lived on the territory of the Baltic at different times, different tribes, this is so... And the influence of some peoples, on others, does not affect anything here.

    So explain the highlighted to the Sofa Expert.

    And I said about the influence in relation to the fact that the interpenetration of genes and cultures is not yet a basis for identifying two different branches of Indo-Europeans.

    idle chatter has already become, so no one disputes that peoples influence each other. But you wrote the following:

    The sofa expert made a new discovery in ethnography !!! It turns out that the Balts are Slavs :))

    I told you that not only in the Baltics, but also in Germany, in the territory that is now, the Slavs lived.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 28 March 2021 21: 04
      -3
      I told you that not only in the Baltics, but also in Germany, in the territory that is now, the Slavs lived.

      You catch the difference between "Slavs and Balts lived on the same territory" and "Balts are Slavs"? If not, then here in this one:

      idle chatter has already become,

      you are absolutely right.
      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 28 March 2021 23: 33
        +3
        you are absolutely right.

        Air Field Marshal Erhard Milch can be considered a classic example of a "hidden Jew" in the elite of the Third Reich.... His father was a Jewish pharmacist. Due to his Jewish origin, Erhard was not accepted into the Kaiser's military schools, but the outbreak of the First World War opened him access to aviation, Milch got into the division of the famous Richthoffen, met the young ace Goering and distinguished himself at the headquarters, although he himself did not fly airplanes. In 1920, Juncker patronized Milch, promoting the former front-line soldier in his concern. In 1929 Milch became the general director of Lufthansa, the national air carrier. The wind was already blowing towards the Nazis, and Erhard provides free Lufthansa aircraft for the leaders of the NSDAP,
        This service is not forgotten. Having come to power, the Nazis declare that Milch's mother did not have sex with her Jewish husband, and Erhard's real father is Baron von Beer. Goering laughed for a long time about this: "Yes, we made Milch a lump, but a lump of aristocracy!" Another aphorism of Goering about Milch: "In my headquarters, I myself will decide who is a Jew and who is not!"
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 01: 29
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          You yourself have shown with this example that:

          a) of the Jews, only the Mishlings could claim something in Nazi Germany.

          b) Even of these mishlings, not all were admitted to military service, and even more so to some kind of position in society.

          c) And those who managed to somehow get through, still had to either forge documents, or be useful to someone from the top, so as not to end up in a concentration camp.

          Are you not tired of refuting yourself yet? However, this is a commendable endeavor. You need to admit your mistakes, yes.
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 01: 44
            +3
            Cyril... The person gave an example, and the dubious conclusions belong to you. Apparently you have run out of arguments and "arguments" entered the input. smile
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 01: 47
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              The man gave an example

              The man gave an excellent example of the fact that only mishlings, and even then not all, and even then with great difficulties could claim some kind of future in Germany - that's what I'm talking about :)

              Apparently you have run out of arguments and "arguments" entered the input.

              So with these examples he himself refutes your, and Expert's, and his own opuses about how "the Jews got along with the Nazis without any problems."
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 02: 02
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                Quote: Cyril
                ... only Mischlings, and even then not all, and even then with great difficulties, could lay claim to some kind of future in Germany

                You are a fool claim can anyone and as much as necessary, there would be a desire. This example does not prove your claim.
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 02: 38
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                  You are a fool, anyone can pretend and as much as you want, there would be a desire.

                  Only in your pink universe with good Nazis.

                  This example does not prove your claim.

                  It also proves that Goering, one of the most influential Nazi bosses, had to personally get involved in this matterso that Mishling Milch could keep his post, which they wanted to take away from him, despite all his early achievements.
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 02: 59
                    +2
                    Cyril... You see, you need another example, one is not enough for you. Boring with you, good night. hi
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 03: 26
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                      You see, you need another example, one is not enough for you.

                      Where did I say about another example? This is quite enough to confirm my own words.

                      Of course, with me "boring", you mess up all the time.
                      1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
                        Alexzn (Alexander) 29 March 2021 11: 12
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                        Quote: Cyril
                        You see, you need another example, one is not enough for you.

                        Where did I say about another example? This is quite enough to confirm my own words.

                        Of course, with me "boring", you mess up all the time.

                        These people are convinced that Hitler is a Jew, Mishligen are Jews, the Jews themselves arranged a crystal night, were ideological fascists in concentration camps and especially in gas chambers. Here to appeal to logic is a waste of work.
                      2. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 29 March 2021 11: 31
                        +2
                        Alexzn, can you support your "reasoning" with facts?
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 29 March 2021 12: 23
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                        I do not think that they are piously convinced of this. Most likely they just blatantly lie.
                      4. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                        Ulysses (Alexey) 29 March 2021 19: 29
                        +1
                        I do not think that they are piously convinced of this. Most likely they just blatantly lie.

                        Jews helped the Germans to keep prisoners in concentration camps and ghettos, to select and catch Jews who were hiding, to deceive prisoners by spreading rumors necessary for the Germans, etc. The Jewish kapos sometimes turned out to be more cruel than the SS men. According to numerous testimonies, these kapos also engaged in beating up other Jews. Thanks to his collaboration with the Nazis, a larger (compared to other prisoners) percentage of kapos survived the war.


                        PSFSE lie about poor Jews ...
                      5. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 March 2021 03: 51
                        -1
                        Oh, and among the Russian prisoners of war concentration camps were not collaborating with the commandant's office for a little more tolerable living conditions?

                        Are we starting to judge the whole nation by individual representatives? How are you then different from the Nazis?
                  2. Dear sofa expert. 29 March 2021 13: 36
                    +3
                    the Jews arranged a crystal night for themselves,

                    Well, to some extent - yes.
                    Kristallnacht ”was a spontaneous public explosion in response to the assassination of Ernst von Rath, secretary of the German embassy in Paris. Herschel Grinshpan, a 17-year-old Jewish man from Poland, shot the diplomat on November 7, 1938.

                    were ideological fascists

                    And there were such too.
                    From the already mentioned Milch, to: the famous Wehrmacht fighter Werner Goldberg, Colonel Walter Hollander, Reinhard Heydrich, the favorite of the Fuhrer and the head of the RSHA, and others from the "list of 77".

                    So your "sobbing" about "..these people are convinced" didn't impress.
                  3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                    Ulysses (Alexey) 29 March 2021 18: 54
                    +2
                    These people are convinced that Hitler is a Jew, Mishligen are Jews, the Jews themselves arranged a crystal night, were ideological fascists in concentration camps and especially in gas chambers. Here to appeal to logic is a waste of work.

                    Discuss with you what to play chess with a pigeon.

                    Mix everything up, rub it off and fly away.

                    The usual tactic of the Jewish mishligen.

                    PS So, a fair wind and a good birch on the way.
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 29 March 2021 17: 47
      +2
      of the Jews, only the Mishlings could claim something in Nazi Germany.

      Take a look in the mirror ..

      And here is the story of a 76-year-old resident of Germany, XNUMX% Jew... In 1940, he managed to escape from occupied France with forged documents. Under a new German name, he was drafted into the "Waffen-SS" - select combat units. “If I served in the German army, and my mother died in Auschwitz, then who am I - a victim or one of the persecutors?” He often asks himself. those like me. After all, our stories contradict everything that is used to consider the Holocaust. "

      PSMischling Cyrilhow much are you being paid to exalt Israel?
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 29 March 2021 10: 56
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    Quote: Morgan
    just analyzing the information provided on this site

    - you try in vain! This information is for "Hurray for the Patriots" ie. for internal use and there is no logic in it.

    It looks like it.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 29 March 2021 11: 53
    -3
    Quote: isofat
    Alexzn, can you support your "reasoning" with facts?

    What reasoning.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 29 March 2021 14: 02
    -3
    How little anti-Semites need, just rumors ... Yeltsin is Elkin, Medvedev is Mendel, Putin is a Jew according to Rotenberg ...
    The rumor was based on the fact that Heydrich's paternal grandmother (Bruno Heydrich's mother) was in her second marriage married to the locksmith apprentice Gustav Robert Suess and often called herself Suess-Heydrich. The surname Suess, obviously, aroused the suspicion among neighbors that its carriers were Jews. Reinhard Heydrich, however, was not a descendant of Süss, and the locksmith apprentice Süss himself did not apply to indicate this.
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 29 March 2021 19: 43
      +1
      How little anti-Semites need, just rumors ...

      Jew Elie Wiesel notes that there were capos in the camps “from Germany, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Georgia, Ukraine, France and Lithuania. Among them were Christians, Jews and atheists. Former professors, industrialists, artists, traders, workers, politicians and right and left, philosophers and researchers of human souls, Marxists and followers of humanists. And of course, there were also just criminals. "

      Even when the imminent release of the allies was planned, the majority of Jewish capos did not feel better about their own. Even the fear of being executed because of collaboration with the Nazis did not frighten such capos. According to the memoirs of Israel Kaplan, at the end of the war, the Germans drove Jews from concentration camps deep into Germany. Kaplan himself was in the so-called. column, which made a "march to Tyrol" and ended up in the concentration camp Allah - the outer camp of Dachau, where before that there were no Jews at all (the concentration camp was considered "non-Jewish").

      In April 1945, some of the Jews were sent further, and about 400 Jews remained in Allah (mostly they were immigrants from Hungary and a little from Poland). By Friday, April 27, the number of Jews had reached 2300.

      With the collapse of Germany, the system of attitudes towards Jews began to change - they ceased to be exterminated, although they were fed just as badly and did not provide medical assistance. SS men stopped entering the Jewish part of the camp, limited their activities to external guards, and ruled through their faithful assistants - Jewish elders, kapos, etc. The kapos of the Jewish part of the camp also stopped entering the common blocks filled with sick and dying prisoners. The SS guards had a new problem - how to avoid punishment, escape, dissolve.

      There were a lot of Jews, and there were only 5 barracks. The tightness in the blocks was terrible, the sick lay next to the healthy and infected them, while the exhaustion of the people made their immune systems so weak that they quickly died. Here the essence of some Jewish prisoners was revealed - anticipating the imminent release, they tried to live up to it even at the expense of the death of their own fellow inmates. Most of them were people who had already stained themselves with collaboration with the Nazis.

      Therefore, in order to survive, the Jewish collaborators, as the healthiest and strongest, seized one barrack just for themselves. There were 150 Jewish capos, camp clerks, chiefs and other German servants. The second barrack was seized by Jewish doctors from Hungary, where they kept their proteges under the guise of sick people. The three remaining barracks accommodated "ordinary" Jews - 2000 people with a total capacity of 600 people. Judging by the memories, the living did not have the strength to throw the corpses into the street...
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  • margo Offline margo
    margo (margo) 29 March 2021 17: 17
    -2
    The world recognized

    - there are 9 countries in the world, let me remind you of 193 countries in total, but don't care about that, but in the above-mentioned 9 countries, 9 thousand people were interviewed and recognized Sputnik V as the most popular vaccine - in my opinion it looks more like schizophrenia. To whom they have not tried to shove the satellite V and still in any way, there is no queue.