Moscow is ready to give Kiev check and checkmate in Donbass


The negotiation process on a peaceful settlement in the East of Ukraine has reached a fundamentally new level. Finally, the western members of the Normandy Four - Germany and France - made their proposals to end the conflict. The so-called “key clusters for the implementation of the Minsk agreements” developed by them have been discussed since the end of last year. However, only now the content of these documents has become known for certain, and, most importantly, the reaction to them from both Russia and Ukraine. Based on this, there is no question of any agreement and consensus.


However, in this case, something else is much more important. Judging by the position of Moscow, it seems that they do not intend to continue further senseless and futile attempts to force Kiev to adhere to its own promises and fulfill the agreements signed earlier. If so, then the "non-profit" in relation to Donbass will face very unpleasant changes and surprises. Which ones? Let's try to figure it out.

A new "circle run" or a way out of the impasse?


It should be noted that the Franco-German proposals initially did not arouse much enthusiasm in Russia. And this is still very mildly said. Dmitry Kozak, representing our country in the Trilateral Contact Group, described them as “overly streamlined” and “vague” last year. According to him, it turned out that the "Western partners" are once again trying to pass off a set of general recommendations and phrases "about nothing" as a plan for the settlement of the armed conflict which has been going on for the eighth year. There were already more than enough good intentions in this negotiation process - only all of them invariably became just bricks on the road to the hell in which the inhabitants of the unconquered Donbass are forced to exist. Why another portion of an equally useless talking shop - all the more so in the current situation, when the situation in the region is heating up more and more, threatening to "explode" with new bloody battles at any moment? That is why Moscow expressed an opinion regarding the need to specify as much as possible every single point of the next "road map", the adherence to which, in theory, should lead the Donbass to peace.

As it turned out recently, Kiev is also dissatisfied with the "creativity" of the European negotiators - but for completely different reasons. In order to understand the degree of divergence of positions of all members of the Quartet, it is necessary at least briefly to familiarize yourself, at least, with the main points of the proposals of Berlin and Paris. And also - with comments to them from Moscow and Kiev. And here it is worth starting with the fact that in comparison with the version of last year, there has not been any clear-cut specificity in these "clusters" - basically we are talking about some global recommendations on the most key positions.

For example, where it is said about the disengagement of the opposing sides' troops and a ceasefire, there are no timeframes or exact points where and when these forces should be withdrawn from the contact line. It is also not entirely clear who should monitor the implementation of this clause. The Russian side insists on a mechanism for joint inspections of the sides' positions - the very ones, the conduct of which, contrary to the agreements, was thwarted by Kiev at the conclusion of the last truce. However, all these are technical issues. Much more important is something else - according to Moscow's demands, Ukraine, instead of endless promises to bring its own legislation in full compliance with Minsk-2 and the Steinmeier formula, should immediately submit for consideration by the negotiators a very specific plan, which will include the specified exact dates for making the relevant decisions and the literal content of the new laws. I mean, I will clarify, about the most fundamental points: constitutional reform, the eternal and permanent special status of Donbass (and not some incomprehensible "decentralization"), amnesty, the introduction of a free regime in the region. economic zones.

Moreover, this time, at the initiative of Russia, a law on the People's Militia should also be added to the list, on the basis of which it will subsequently operate in the present territories of the DPR and LPR. Moreover, every single normative act of this kind that Kiev will have to implement in its legislation will have to be discussed and agreed upon with the representatives of the Republics. Only then will they "go into account" of Ukraine's implementation of the "Minsk Agreements". The same, incidentally, applies to all other steps related to the settlement process. Moscow makes it clear that any actions taken behind the backs of Donbass residents and without their approval will be categorically unacceptable for it.

An "asymmetric" response to Washington?


As a matter of fact, the points already listed above can hardly be acceptable for Ukraine, especially in light of its sharp "tilt" towards confrontation with Russia, which is taking place now. However, some points stated, mind you, in the proposals of France and Germany, and not in the Russian "amendments" to those, seem even more "blatant". So, for example, in Kiev it was unlikely that its "Western partners", speaking of the withdrawal of "mercenaries and foreign troops" from Donbass, would clarify that the People's Militia of the DPR and LPR did not fall under this wording! If we consider that the Republics formations bearing this name include, for example, tank corps and artillery brigades, this means that they can forget about their hopes to take charge of the defenseless Donbass and “remember all” its inhabitants in the “nezalezhnaya”. Nothing like this will happen.

It is clear that Moscow strongly supports just such an interpretation, while clarifying the point regarding giving the People's Militia an official status in Ukrainian legislation. Will they go for it in Kiev? Never! Unlike the Russian side, they did not even begin to polemize with Paris and Berlin on certain points of the "clusters", but simply put forward their own demands. As usual - absurd and unacceptable. Ukraine continues to insist that every single action that the negotiating partners expect from it - the adoption of amendments to the Constitution and other laws (including those concerning amnesty and the special status of the region), the holding of elections in Donbass, and so on, will be undertaken only after Kiev gains complete control over the border between Donbass and Russia. Well, and, of course, the "withdrawal of the aggressor's troops" and "the disarmament of illegal formations." The fact that this contradicts the position not only of Donbass and Russia, but also of France and Germany, does not bother anyone in the “nezalezhnoy”.

What follows from this? Yes, actually, nothing new. Ukraine did not intend to, and is not going to solve the matter peacefully, continuing to rely on the “forceful” scenario. All "platforms" for it are just a way to play for time, simultaneously building up the combat capability of its own army and looking for allies to "de-occupy" Donbass. The Germans and French made it very clear that they could not be counted on in this extremely dubious undertaking. Now Kiev deliberately ignores their appeals and recommendations, betting on the final collapse of the "Normandy format" and its replacement by negotiations, where the US and Great Britain, whose anti-Russian position has become increasingly radical, will play a key role. Evidence that the Ukrainian authorities do not even think about reconciliation with the "rebellious" region is innumerable. Here is one of the freshest - the other day the head of the NSDC "nezalezhnoy", notorious for his wild statements Alexey Danilov, said that such a thing as "Donbass" ... does not exist at all!

In principle ... This is "a Russian narrative imposed by the aggressor and using it is dangerous for national interests." Tellingly, Mr. Danilov's particular rejection is caused by the well-known phrase “Donbass has never been brought to its knees”. I really want to refute it, obviously. However, even if we assume that the same Zelensky, by some miracle, realizes the perniciousness for the country, in which he happened to be at the head, of any attempts to "de-occupy" the DPR and LPR with fire and sword, he simply will not be allowed to deviate from the course towards military confrontation with the Republics. Fulfillment of not even Russian, but Franco-German proposals will be perceived as the final "rage" by nationalist extremists. And how they will act in this case and whether the president-comedian will have a chance to survive, the recent events near his office perfectly showed ...

How clearly do they understand all this in the Kremlin? I am sure - in the most wonderful way. Most likely, the advancement of conditions and parameters of a settlement that are obviously unacceptable for Ukraine is precisely the completely deliberate line of behavior that Russia will follow from now on. Indeed, in its proposals, in fact, there is nothing that would contradict Minsk-2. Particularly important in this regard are Moscow's demands on Kiev to voice the exact dates and terms of specific steps aimed at implementing these agreements. It is clear that the answer will again sound like the usual "after the rain, on Thursday." Nevertheless, at least in the eyes of Europe, Ukraine is unambiguously "violating the convention" and is stubbornly unwilling to make concessions on key points necessary to achieve reconciliation. There is no way to blame Russia for the “lack of progress”. The position of the United States, which, contrary to obvious facts, logic and all arguments of reason, will continue to repeat about "Russian aggression" and "assistance to Ukraine in restoring its territorial integrity"? And who told you that precisely this position is not taken into account by the Kremlin - simply on the basis of the “contradictory” principle?

One way or another, Washington should be taught a serious lesson - both for its aggressive anti-Russian actions and for the irresponsible rhetoric of the current American leader. So why not do this precisely in Donbass, very convincingly showing, using the example of Ukraine, that the role of a satellite and a semi-colony of the United States does not protect and does not save from anything - at least when it comes to the national interests of Russia and the protection of the Russian people.

Apparently, Moscow is deliberately driving Kiev into a corner, increasingly narrowing its "window of opportunity" to get out of the situation with minimal losses. As a matter of fact, in the "Donbass party" the check has already been placed. We are waiting for the next move!
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 25 March 2021 11: 43
    +9
    For the Anglo-Saxons, the fewer Slavs left, the better. They are already going to buy up the lands of Ukraine for themselves in order to move from England, which is sinking under the water. And they do not need Ukrainians in Ukraine at all, perhaps a little for servants, instead of blacks. Negroes now seem to respect them.
    1. Warrior Offline Warrior
      Warrior 26 March 2021 23: 27
      +1
      Every year the Ukrainian Army (APU) is becoming stronger and more professional, and it is directed against Russia and is waiting for it to attack Russia ...
      Or in Russia they do not hear how in Ukraine they publicly indicate that they are preparing to attack the Russian regions - Belgorod, Voronezh, Kursk, Kuban ... Are you waiting for EVERYTHING when Ukraine together with NATO will attack Russia?
      And now Ukraine is already organizing PROVOCATIONS and TERRORISTS against Russia all over Russia and you again DO NOT SEE this and are waiting for terrorist acts to be carried out en masse across ALL of Russia?
      And don't you see this corona-viral bio-war, unleashed by the United States around the world, in which bio-laboratories of Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan are involved?
      ALL of Russia is already surrounded by these American bio-laboratories and military bases. Also
      don't you see?
      And in sports, the United States does not allow Russia to perform under its own name?
      They will NEVER give rest to Russia.
      It is high time for Russia to give an active OPTOR to the USA and NATO, especially since Russia has much better weapons and is ahead of the developments of the USA and NATO.
      Only the STRONG are loved and respected in the world.
      Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltic states - should be the FIRST response measures of Russia to the advancement of the United States and NATO to the borders of Russia ...
      1. Vldemar Dementyev (Vldemar Dementyev) 30 March 2021 13: 59
        +4
        Putin will play big. He needs all of Ukraine, not a part. And his trick is the impossibility of calculating Russia's actions. And as a man in the street, I completely agree with you, like millions of Russians - it is absolutely obvious that in Ukraine they are gathering fascist darkness, arming, training with the aim of further moving this whole armada, with the support of NATO, to the Russian Federation. Of course, the President of the Russian Federation knows about this, as well as a lot of things that you and I do not know. For example, I would not be surprised if suddenly England goes under water or the whole of Poland dies out in a day from some unknown, super aggressive form of cholera. And I would not be surprised at all if the United States begins to sharply split up with the formation of quasi-states or a military civil conflict. But I am sure that Volodya will please us not childishly. May God grant him health and composure.
        1. Solomon Offline Solomon
          Solomon (alexey salomon) 30 March 2021 14: 57
          0
          Bravo! I agree to 100 ... her to 200 ... 300 ... etc. %
        2. Andrei Maksimenko (Andrei Maksimenko) April 3 2021 17: 28
          -2
          Don't mislead the citizens of Russia. Putin is not a player. He is a performer. He, as before, will continue to fulfill the will of America on the territory of Russia. The whole essence of the existence of the Russian Federation lies in monitoring the implementation of the IMF recommendations in Russia. In turn, the IMF is 100% owned by America.
        3. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) April 6 2021 18: 45
          +2
          Putin does not need Ukraine at all. He only needs it as an economic partner and that's it. Fraternization with passionate kisses has long gone.
      2. Andrei Maksimenko (Andrei Maksimenko) April 3 2021 17: 25
        -3
        Yes, they all see. This is preparation for the final destruction of Russia. In the Russian Federation, at the helm are people who, in favor of NATO, destroyed their Motherland and the Fatherland of the USSR. When the government changes, they are automatically brought to justice.
      3. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
        igor.igorev (Igor) April 6 2021 18: 44
        +1
        What do you suggest? Declare war on Ukraine and the whole world? Live in peace and read the media less. No one in their right mind will climb a nuclear power.
      4. meandr51 Offline meandr51
        meandr51 (Andrei) 6 May 2021 17: 17
        0
        They even have almost no shells. And professionally, they only devour moonshine and push ammunition into the DPR. Purchased ahead of time with Russian flags ....
      5. Valery Vinokurov (valery vinokurov) 8 May 2021 07: 58
        0
        how to fight back?
        What exactly do you suggest?
    2. Andrei Maksimenko (Andrei Maksimenko) April 3 2021 17: 30
      0
      What do you think? What is needed now is for ordinary citizens of Russia to do. Any real recommendations?
      1. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
        Anna Tim (Anna) April 8 2021 19: 34
        0
        First of all, don't panic.
  2. wolf46 Offline wolf46
    wolf46 25 March 2021 12: 21
    +5
    Why can Turkey in its near abroad (Syria, Azerbaijan / Armenia, Libya) take the initiative in regional conflicts in its favor, while Russia is not capable of such a thing? Georgia-2008, Ukraine-2014 - examples of reactive actions. At the same time, Syria, Libya, CAR are far away, but in a different way. The Minsk-2 agreements are already 7 years old, and so far business interests prevail over state ones.
    1. wolf46 Offline wolf46
      wolf46 25 March 2021 15: 02
      +4
      The existence of unrecognized states (Transnistria, LDNR, Nagorno-Karabakh, South Ossetia, Abkhazia) in the post-Soviet space is interconnected, and these "fragments" of republics are more pro-Russian and loyal to the Russian Federation than partner countries (Ukraine, Georgia, etc.). Let me explain: 1) a Russian girl, originally from Sukhum, studies in Lugansk, and there are plenty of such examples, 2) Artsakh (and not only) adopted a law on the Russian language. Solving the issue of Donbass and the rest requires an integrated approach.
    2. oderih Offline oderih
      oderih (Alex) 25 March 2021 15: 43
      +5
      Wolf-Russia is concentrating. And this is important. Do not rush. We will bring firewood. We will take a look for now.
    3. Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) 25 March 2021 20: 23
      -1
      ... because Turkey is a NATO member. They still rule the planet. Unfortunately.
    4. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
      Anna Tim (Anna) April 8 2021 19: 58
      0
      Quote: wolf46
      while business interests prevail over government interests.

      And there is. The oligarchy is strong in power (by the way, eager to overthrow Putin in order to rob openly and absolutely legally), their capital is in US banks, so they are lobbying for their interests, they say, God forbid any sudden movements, otherwise they will take away what they have acquired by overwork.
  3. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 25 March 2021 12: 25
    -11%
    And in the morning, as before, the sun dawned,
    Corvette "Emperor" froze like an arrow ...
    Lieutenant Golitsyn, maybe we'll come back -
    Why do we need a foreign country, lieutenant?
    1. oderih Offline oderih
      oderih (Alex) 25 March 2021 15: 47
      +3
      Merkel kirdyk. Go to the binder. He will warm you. Without Yiddish you are nobody
  4. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 25 March 2021 14: 18
    +6
    Everything here rests on the greedy greed and commercialism of our and Ukrainian oligarchs, who earn their profits on the blood of civilians in Donbass by supplying literally all energy sources to the nenka, from diesel fuel to TVELs, machine tools, cars and spare parts for military equipment, but business is nothing at all -recognize these republics in their full pre-war format of the regions, in view of the complete barbaric destruction and genocide of the Russian-speaking population of the Greater Donbass, who, with blood and sweat, wins their right to speak their native Russian language, think in Russian, study in Russian, and teach in it their children and grandchildren, and not turn into Ivans, who do not remember their kinship, of whom there are already many on the other side of the front, who, over 30 years of their independence, have completely reflashed their brains according to Galitsai patterns.
    1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) April 6 2021 18: 55
      0
      You are strange. Well, we will not supply anything to Ukraine. Who will get worse from this? Yes, only to our hard workers, tk. lose jobs. And the multivector will supply diesel fuel and gasoline to them. And instead of TVELs, the Americans will supply their own fuel, and you slurp gasoline and diesel fuel.
      1. kapitan92 Online kapitan92
        kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) April 6 2021 21: 20
        +2
        Quote: igor.igorev
        Well, we will not supply anything to Ukraine. Who will get worse from this?

        Ukraine!

        Quote: igor.igorev
        Yes, only to our hard workers, tk. lose jobs.

        Why should they lose their jobs? laughing
        The same fuel and lubricants will go to the domestic market, the price goes down, the cost of goods produced in Russia goes down.

        Quote: igor.igorev
        And the multivector will supply diesel fuel and gasoline to them.

        For God's sake! Only at a different price. Yes, and they do not lend. laughing

        Quote: igor.igorev
        And instead of fuel rods, the Americans will supply their fuel,

        good When there is a second Chernobyl, the Americans will be far away.

        Quote: igor.igorev
        and you slurp gasoline with diesel fuel.

        We have something to sip, thank God, but a decrease in prices for fuels and lubricants before sowing would not hurt. hi
        1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) April 7 2021 15: 19
          0
          The Russian market is already saturated with everything and you will have to drink gasoline and diesel fuel and at the same time look for money to pay the workers. Ukraine will find where to buy, this is not a problem at all, they still do not pay anyone for anything.
          1. kapitan92 Online kapitan92
            kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) April 7 2021 17: 15
            0
            Quote: igor.igorev
            The Russian market is already saturated with everything and you will have to drink gasoline and diesel fuel and at the same time look for money to pay the workers.

            What nonsense is this? With an excess of supply, the price decreases, it's time before the sowing and summer cottages. And there will be money to pay for labor, this is not a problem in the oil and gas sector of the Russian economy.
            You just do not get so angry, it is harmful to the nervous system.

            Quote: igor.igorev
            Ukraine will find where to buy, this is not a problem at all, they still do not pay anyone for anything.

            Do you even understand what you are writing? He will find where he will buy: this is actually not a problem, given the availability of funds, and there is already "naked Vasya" .. Nobody is paid anything !? So this is already reflected in the economy, the last investors are fleeing, so China was thrown. laughing
            1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
              igor.igorev (Igor) April 8 2021 13: 32
              0
              With what fright will the price be reduced? Do you want to work for free? We maintain a balance between production and consumption of fuels and lubricants.
              Ukraine lives on loans, which it practically does not give, only pays for a part. But they are still given a loan knowing full well that they will not return.
              I do not see any problems with fuel and lubricants in Ukraine. We will not sell to them, others will.
  5. Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) 25 March 2021 14: 32
    0
    The point is not that Russia is ready to intervene in the conflict in Ukraine, but that - what kind of response
    the US-NATO planned a blow to the Russian economy.
    But it is possible that all the Ukrainian military hype, only in order to defeat
    internal opposition. And that's all for now.
    1. oderih Offline oderih
      oderih (Alex) 25 March 2021 15: 53
      +2
      Do you think that someone will live in this country? In 20 years, the population of Ukraine has decreased by 40%. It has become 30 million. And there were almost 50 million under Kuchma. People are fleeing from the Tel. Gibloe place.
    2. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 25 March 2021 15: 59
      +5
      Quote: Viktor Radziminsky
      It's not that Russia is ready to intervene in the conflict in Ukraine

      And the sooner, Victor, we intervene, the better it will be for us. You will remember what the Ukrainian army was like before 2014, a bunch of homeless people, and nothing more, but now, with the help of our "partners", it has strengthened, trained and re-armed many times, but so far it is far from the Russian army, but time goes by, and it everything is building up, and will be building up its military potential, meanwhile obmurivaya his fellow tribesmen with regular portions of the Galician ideology. And I have repeatedly spoken here about how Hitler, having come to power in Germany in 1933 years in 6, re-created his fluffed army to the most powerful in Europe, and already in 1938 he captured all of Europe, so we are waiting for Ukraine is the same, but they are already ready to seize our Krasnodar, Rostov, Belgorod, Voronezh ... this cancerous tumor must be got rid of immediately, only now it will be much more expensive for us than in 2014, a lot of blood will be shed , and we have no other way out - either we are them, or they are us, and there is no other way, but to wait for Medvedchuk and Azarov to take the machine guns in their hands is a vain dream, these ghouls came seriously and for a long time, and we have peace with them will never
      1. Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) 25 March 2021 19: 57
        +3
        Yours faithfully, Valentine, I answer.
        The problem of the Russian authorities is precisely what economic blow will be inflicted on Russia by the US-NATO. Ukrainians, "Medvedchuk" are not of interest to them.
        Donbass is a trap for Russia.
        In the event of an attack on Donbass by the Ukrainian army, Russia immediately recognizes the independence of the republics, the army intervenes in the conflict, liberates the captured regions of Donbass from the Ukrainian army.
        I don’t talk about losses - I don’t know.
        What happens next?
        Urgent convocation of the UN Security Council - what is the solution? - think ...
        US-NATO urgently convene NATO and demand! ...
        Suppose ... - they demand from Germany to shut off both Nord Streams of Gazprom.
        Germany is a NATO member - can obey.
        The fact is that the United States-Britain needs to weaken both Russia and Germany as much as possible.
        And now about the Russian government.
        The Russian leadership had to act EARLIER, when a pro-NATO, belligerent, embittered country was being raised from Ukraine for decades.
        1. Valentine Offline Valentine
          Valentine (Valentin) 26 March 2021 07: 22
          +3
          Quote: Viktor Radziminsky
          Urgent convocation of the UN Security Council - what is the solution?

          And for us, their family sanctions have been written since the formation of our country after the revolution (or coup) in 1917 only for what we are, so we are provided with them until the time when one of us disappears from the face of the planet as the state, but about the "Nord Stream" - they can block it and already completed, by shutting off the gas valve, so Washington will not have any problems with this, but they really need to constantly show their power and strength to their six partners, and even after of how they fluidly showed their truly "democratic" face during and after their puppet presidential elections, so it's high time for us to go our own way, not looking back at the "collective West", but .... our liberal lobby wants crush our whole country under Uncle Sam, then they will have the money there too
          and the palaces are intact, and their wives, children and mistresses, too, there, are well fed.
        2. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) April 6 2021 19: 03
          0
          What are you doing about Russia's interference in the affairs of Ukraine? WHY DO WE NEED Ukraine? For what purpose? Again, you want them to restore the economy, to rebuild the enterprises, otherwise a lot has collapsed there in 30 years.
          Maybe it's enough to moan about Donbass, which we don't need at all and about Ukraine as a whole?
          You read less media and especially Zen.
          1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) April 6 2021 19: 24
            +1
            Maybe stop moaning about Donbass, which we don't need at all

            What are your priorities in life?
            1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
              igor.igorev (Igor) April 6 2021 20: 51
              +1
              What exactly are you interested in?
              1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                Ulysses (Alexey) April 6 2021 20: 53
                +1
                What are your priorities in life?
                1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
                  igor.igorev (Igor) April 6 2021 20: 58
                  +1
                  Is your keyboard jammed?
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  7. zholin Offline zholin
    zholin (zholin) 25 March 2021 21: 44
    -11%
    Putin needs a small and victorious war ahead of the fall elections to the State Duma. There are no particular successes in the economy, poverty and unemployment, prices, tariffs and taxes are growing, and the party ... somehow needs to be pushed into the State Duma. So they will play the card of patriotism, nationalism and revanchism. At the expense of the Russians in the Donbass. Nothing personal, just politics.
    1. Mikhail Alekseev (Mikhail Alekseev) 26 March 2021 21: 30
      +5
      I finished my last hedgehog yesterday - now I am starving in impoverished Russia. How would I move to rich Ukraine, where everyone wears lace trues, has a salary of 100 thousand euros and goes every weekend to Paris and Vienna ??
    2. Alov Offline Alov
      Alov (Al) 28 March 2021 14: 57
      +1
      A small victorious war is needed by the United States and their "brothers" in NATO - Germany, France, Italy, etc. Let's not forget about the great (once) Britain. And it would be especially good for Georgia-Armenia-Ukraine-Moldova, where for a long time there is no poverty, no unemployment, no rise in prices and tariffs, but only "unprecedented successes" in the economy! .. This is where the card of patriotism has been played for decades, nationalism and revanchism.
  8. Victor_5 Offline Victor_5
    Victor_5 (Victor Chernyshko) 26 March 2021 00: 46
    0
    "Republics" in fact are needed not by us, the residents of Donbass, or Russia, but by the State Department and the Ukrainians,
  9. Unpoisoned Offline Unpoisoned
    Unpoisoned (Nora Nora) 26 March 2021 11: 13
    +1
    Quote: Viktor Radziminsky
    Suppose ... - they demand from Germany to shut off both Nord Streams of Gazprom.

    AND? Shut off, minus 110 billion cubic meters of gas. The United States will not replace its LNG overnight. Yes, and the composition of LNG for the chemical industry is not cake. Hello Santa Claus, beard made of cotton wool.)))) Goodbye chemical production in Germany. We have, of course, minus the currency for 110 billion, today it is about 17-18 billion dollars.
    1. Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) 27 March 2021 09: 18
      0
      USA-Britain-Stolsenberg: - "Hold on Germany! Everyone who can - urgent deliveries
      LNG to Europe! So that there would be no Gazprom legs in Europe! Beloved Germany - we will support you!
      Terrible Russia attacked poor Ukrainushka. "
      Insanity, of course, but ... what is happening in the United States? in Europe? in Ukraine? - isn't it insanity?
      And the United States-Britain - a huge benefit ... profit ...
    2. Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) 27 March 2021 10: 40
      0
      Unpoisoned
      Seriously, I believe that all Gazprom flows to Europe are a trap for Russia.
      Our government has its hands tied to any military action on the territory of Ukraine.
      That is, - economic losses are inevitable.
      If the US-Britain wants war there, Russia will rush between the Donbass
      and these Gazprom flows. The traps have been created. How will Russia be able to get out?
      The interests of Europe - the US-Britain - are not interesting.
  10. Fins Bonding Expert (Petro Rashpil) 26 March 2021 17: 23
    0
    Ready or will deliver - these are two different things, the author, teach morphology and together materiel, an example - ready for the birth of a hippo, and then once a hippo was born and it turns out to be not ready, or else - ready for war, and then once a war and such a war that is not ready for such a war. Readiness and action are two different things.
  11. Pavel_2 Offline Pavel_2
    Pavel_2 (Julius Sintsov) 26 March 2021 17: 50
    0
    And the Russian Federation is interested if they start shooting, will increase the supply of fuel oil and gas to Ukraine, and whether our neighbor will come out of the top three main sponsors
    1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) April 6 2021 19: 08
      0
      Why should we stop deliveries? Will you pay our hard workers salaries that will lose their jobs?
  12. Mikhail Alekseev (Mikhail Alekseev) 26 March 2021 21: 34
    0
    Yes, the West will not block everything Russia, they are not fools. 90% of production in Germany runs on cheap Russian gas. Even in the times of the USSR and Stalin - the West still traded with us as it was beneficial for it, although it hated the communists no worse than the Russians - but for them it was the same). This is capitalism - any owner will sell his soul for profit and no matter with whom he trades)
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 26 March 2021 22: 17
      +2
      May the West not block everything from Russia, they are not fools. 90% of production in Germany runs on cheap Russian gas.

      This is capitalism - any owner will sell his soul for profit and no matter with whom he trades)

      What kind of capitalism are you for, American or German ??

      American capitalism dreams of strangling German capitalism; it wants to deprive Germany of cheap Russian gas for good luck by removing a competitor. smile

      This is capitalism - any owner will sell his soul for a profit
  13. Evgeny Ponomarev (Evgeny Ponomarev) 27 March 2021 12: 40
    +2
    The whole war is aimed in order to sow hatred between peoples, because the longer the conflict, the more will hate Russia because of all the atoshniks who bring all their hatred into society upon their return.
  14. Alexander Samoilov_2 (Alexander Samoilov) 28 March 2021 18: 56
    +1
    I cannot understand one thing, the DNR and DNL are in the past Ukraine, one country. But there was a coup d'état with the support of the US and the EU. Impostors climbed into the Rada and declared themselves power, who violated the integrity of the country. So why don't these republics consider themselves to be real Ukraine and drive out the impostors?
    1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) April 6 2021 19: 10
      0
      You would have asked who lives there. From there, everything was piled up in the form of refugees to Russia. Donbass is not needed by the residents themselves. We don't need him either. And Ukraine does not need it. Everyone understands that hundreds of billions of dollars have to be invested there and no one wants to do it.
      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) April 6 2021 19: 21
        +1
        Over 18 years, the country's population (excluding Crimea and non-government-controlled areas of Donbass) has decreased by 11 million people.

        The Ukrainian minister named the main reasons for the population decline migration и excess of death rate over birth rate.


        igor.igorev (Igor) , Banderlog Kiev and their policy of disposing of their own population are you not interested in?
        And they don't even shoot there ... repeat
        1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) April 6 2021 20: 54
          +1
          Why does Ukraine have a lot of population? It was needed when there was industry, but agricultural holdings do not need a lot of hard workers.
          And to be honest, I don't really care what is happening there in Ukraine. This is just as interesting to me as what is happening in Germany or the United States.
  15. Andrey Polishchuk (Andrey Polishchuk) 29 March 2021 22: 22
    -3
    The war with Ukraine is a shameful war with oneself and on one's own territory.
    So the checkmate was given to Russia back in 91, when she lost everything for which her ancestors fought. The very ones, whose victories the current ... cover up their shame.
    With such "successes" you will soon be at war with the Urals, or, in general, Vladimir against Ryazan.
    And rejoice that they put a checkmate on someone.
  16. kapitan92 Online kapitan92
    kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 29 March 2021 23: 11
    +2
    Quote: Andrey Polishchuk
    The war with Ukraine is a shameful war with oneself and on one's own territory.
    So they put a checkmate on Russia back in 91, when she lost everything that her ancestors fought for. The very ones, whose victories the current s cover their shame.
    With such "successes" you will soon be at war with the Urals, or, in general, Vladimir against Ryazan.
    And rejoice that they put a checkmate on someone.

    Is Russia at war with Ukraine ???
    In 91g. checkmate put the USSR! History is given to know! By the way, Comrade Kravchuk, including.
  17. Chater57 Offline Chater57
    Chater57 (Humpty Dumpty) April 1 2021 12: 05
    +1
    In disputes, I always ask you to specifically indicate WHICH troops should be withdrawn, otherwise they are going to check whether they have been withdrawn or not. And disarmament, please clarify what type of formations are the so-called. "good fellows". And the discussion immediately dies down.
  18. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 1 2021 23: 58
    -1
    Ah, Alexander, as always, fantasizes about blood and hated states
  19. Vladimir VLvov Offline Vladimir VLvov
    Vladimir VLvov (Vladimir VLvov) April 7 2021 00: 21
    -2
    Why are you kindling the mood of war, you shitty warriors. Are you not enough of those sanctions that the people of the Russian Federation are eating? Little destroyed Syria? Do you want new blood, "200s" and complete isolation?
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) April 7 2021 21: 29
      +1
      Why are you kindling the mood of war, you shitty warriors. Are you not enough of those sanctions that the people of the Russian Federation are eating? Little destroyed Syria? Do you want new blood, "200s" and complete isolation?

      Little expression.
      Are you broadcasting straight from destroyed Syria to Russia?

      We do not want blood, but it will hurt to beat.
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    2. Conrad Carlovich (Mihelson) 6 June 2021 22: 05
      0
      They have such a hobby. They think that everyone will be a nucleus and they will heal sweetly, not understanding that it will be a nucleus and will fly back to them. .... Sir.
  20. BON_2 Offline BON_2
    BON_2 (BON BON) April 7 2021 21: 08
    0
    The ruble will collapse laughing
    1. kapitan92 Online kapitan92
      kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) April 7 2021 21: 28
      +2
      Quote: BON_2
      The ruble will collapse laughing

      Again, "freshly surfaced"! (7.04 registration)
      A very informative post, felt for the hryvnia fit. Although he does not "mow" under a Jew or an Estonian, that is good. laughing
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) April 7 2021 21: 34
      +1
      The ruble will collapse laughing

      And right at your bad head. hi
  21. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
    Anna Tim (Anna) April 8 2021 20: 13
    0
    Quote: igor.igorev
    Ukraine will find where to buy, it's not a problem at all, they don't care

    Find will find, but definitely not what to buy for. Nama is penniless in the treasury, Ze again asked Biden the other day for another loan to "contain Russia" (ah, yes, Moska, it’s strong to know that "restrains" an elephant for 7 years). Old man Biden, of course, will offer liquefied gas for cheap and old friendship, only after its development (of course, other civilized states on the territory of Ukraine have long abandoned this), there will remain a dead territory worse than Chernobyl and on a larger scale. For this business (the production of liquefied gas) they needed Donbas, there are many empty mines, make explosions and get ... dollars of gas.
    1. Conrad Carlovich (Mihelson) 6 June 2021 22: 01
      0
      100 percent of the hinterland of Russia (where the gas was too lazy to put the pipe) is cooked on liquefied gas. where to look for Chernobyl in the country? tell me ...
  22. Friend of the People_2 (Kirill Vetrov) April 9 2021 04: 20
    0
    Maybe people get flooded and then give everything to the enemy. This is what we can do. Homeland to trade.
  23. Neil Neil Offline Neil Neil
    Neil Neil (Neil Neal) April 16 2021 21: 05
    0
    The only reasonable way out is our tanks at the former borders of the USSR.
    1. Conrad Carlovich (Mihelson) 6 June 2021 21: 56
      0
      reasonable ... but against abrams. US aircraft carriers at the borders. about the perimeter. and a wall of 20 meters ... a magnificent sight. it is only necessary for a complete picture of all Russians to return to their homeland. Children of officials. Prohibit accounts abroad and real estate. Officials. otherwise it is not tight at all. not for the best
  24. think with your head ... (think with your head ...) 19 May 2021 09: 27
    +1
    Everyone who, during the Soviet Union, seized Russian lands, are now invaders of Russian lands, since the Union no longer exists, which means return everything that it gave you. And if they do not want to give them back for good, then Russia should take them by force.
  25. Nikolay Shopin Offline Nikolay Shopin
    Nikolay Shopin (Nikolay Shopin) 19 May 2021 18: 57
    -1
    Why the issue of the former Ukraine cannot be resolved. Because you are going against the Lord's decision. We do not live on this planet by ourselves. We are controlled from space. The Lord told everyone that the state of Ukraine no longer exists. We may agree or disagree, but this is a fact. The Lord told everyone, I want to add, I, an atheist, should not believe in Gods, create from these two states the DPR and LPR the People's Republic of Danbass within the borders of the former Ukraine and live on. Danbass will not enter Russia. Decide whether you believe in the Lord or not.
  26. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 27 May 2021 16: 09
    0
    For 7 years, according to the author, Russia has been driving Ukraine into a corner, while a lot of people have been killed, people have lost their homes, and most importantly, people have seen no way out of their terrible situation. Where is this corner and how much more will they drive? Until there is no one left in the republics ???
  27. Ilya Melekhin Offline Ilya Melekhin
    Ilya Melekhin (Ilya Melekhin) 30 May 2021 11: 40
    0
    Moscow is ready to give Kiev check and checkmate in Donbass

    We have been hearing this for six years, and things are still there. For some reason, the Moscow grandmasters are pulling the cat by the tail and cannot checkmate in any way. The most important thing is that it doesn't turn out the other way around. This is what worries me the most.
  28. Conrad Carlovich (Mihelson) 6 June 2021 21: 46
    0
    The fact that this contradicts the position not only of Donbass and Russia, but also of France and Germany, does not bother anyone in the “nezalezhnoy”.
    Of course it doesn't. Who cares about the opinion of the Chechens? People by the way ... And there is not any people here, RUSSIAN? Suitcase vokzal moscow. There is a recognized border. And if you want to be Russian, then to Urengoy or Chelyabinsk. And there is nothing to support these LDNR extremists. Stalin sent them to the Arctic Circle long ago, like Latvians and Lithuanians. Or to Kazakhstan. like the Crimean Tatars.