Almaz Central Design Bureau has created a ship of the future: How will the power of the Russian fleet grow?


I continue a series of articles devoted to the state of affairs in our surface fleet. IN first material I talked about the strange sale to the Algerian Navy of our two new corvettes of project 20380, which have been built since 2015 at PJSC Shipyard Severnaya Verf for the Russian Navy, and explained what is the difference between this project and project 20385. Project 20386 will have to be discussed separately.


Project 20386. Growing ship


In the fall of 2016, a new warship was laid down on the stocks of the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg, a project 20386 Corvette Daring, later renamed Mercury (in honor of the eponymous Russian 20-gun brig, which won under under the command of Lieutenant Commander Alexander Kazarsky, a victory in an unequal battle with 1829 and 74 gun Turkish battleships). The laying ceremony took place in a solemn atmosphere and was timed to the 110th anniversary of the Russian Navy. However, this event, despite all its pretentiousness, was met with controversy among military experts.

The reason is offensively banal - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Main Headquarters of the Navy of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have not yet been able to agree on a single concept for the development of the surface component of the country's naval forces. The new corvette was supposed to be the prototype of the ship of the future. During the creation of the ship, the designers of the Central Design Bureau "Almaz" took into account the mistakes and mistakes made during the implementation of the previous project 20380. The developers tried to make a fundamentally new ship, something between the TFR of the near sea zone and the frigate. They attributed their new brainchild to the class of heavy corvettes, but with the same success it could be attributed to the class of frigates, or even light destroyers.

According to the prescribed TK, the project 20386 corvette was supposed to successfully resist the enemy on the near and far approaches to the sea borders of our country. The combat functions assigned to it are impressive even for hardened Moremans. We can say that the designers were tasked with integrating into one project the capabilities inherent in ships of different classes, namely: 1) protection of sea communications within a 200-mile economic zones; 2) counteraction to ships of a potential enemy at any distance from the bases of the fleet; 3) ensuring stable air defense of ship formations against strikes by air attack means; 4) search, detection and destruction of submarines in a given area; 5) providing air defense and fire support for amphibious operations.

The task was to create a combat ship with high striking power and at the same time capable of performing patrol and military-police functions. The developers have fulfilled the task and even exceeded it. If until recently the Russian Navy maintained the tradition of building different types of ships designed to solve similar problems, then the designers of the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau this time went from the opposite direction - they created a universal ship that could solve diverse tasks on a single platform. Time will tell whether he will go beyond the small series.

In the 21st century, in the structure of the navies of various countries, the tendency to deploy high firepower strike weapons on small displacement ships prevailed. And Russian designers in this matter today have no equal - they are ahead of the rest of the world, saturating small ships with weapons systems of unprecedented power. In the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and in the high offices of the General Staff of the Navy of the Russian Federation, disputes about this are still ongoing - should we give preference to corvettes and frigates of the 1st and 2nd rank or build MRK (small missile ships) of the 3rd rank?

Corvette of the future. Is it just a corvette?


We do not know how everything will end there in high offices, but we can evaluate the results of the work of the designers of the Almaz Central Design Bureau already today. As a result, thanks to innovative technology, incorporated into the design, at the exit we received a fundamentally new ship. This has never happened before in the Russian Navy. The 20386 project was based on the modularity principle, which consists in equipping the ship with temporarily installed weapons, which makes it possible to expand the range of tasks to be solved. In particular, its superstructure is made of composite materials obtained by the method of vacuum infusion, which makes it possible to reduce its radar signature. The same task is served by the use of large-sized cutouts in the freeboard, which can be closed by latch-ports, which make it possible to more fully implement the “Stealth” technology. Compact and powerful drives, hydraulic systems, new materials and control systems were used to accommodate a large complex of transportation means and ship devices. Innovative solutions are also applied in the electric power system, life support system, environmental protection and many others.

The temporarily installed armament of the ship includes a containerized operational-tactical missile system ("Caliber-NK" for 4 missiles). A flexible extended towed antenna of an integrated underwater surveillance system with a launching device mounted on an integrated frame (GAS "Vignette)" is also temporarily installed on the ship. In addition, the ship provides for the possibility of receiving additional landing craft. To move them, standard movable platforms with universal keel blocks are used. A significant difference between project 20386 and previous projects of corvettes is the widespread use of robotic weapon systems and autonomous uninhabited systems. The introduction of the principle of robotization is associated with the trend developing in world practice to remove personnel from direct contact with the enemy. The ship is supposed to accommodate helicopter-type UAVs, unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs), similar to those used on mine defense ships, as well as multi-purpose remotely controlled unmanned boats (BEC). It is possible to install other containerized weapons, for example, diving or providing for the deployment of troops. Until the development of the coastal storage system and the maintenance of removable weapons in technical readiness, these containers are supposed to be placed on board, transferring from ship to ship as necessary.

In addition, 20386 differ from their predecessors in integrated information and control systems of open architecture, new electronic weapons and the use of robotic systems (I have already said a little about them above). The helicopter is planned to be stored in an under-deck hangar equipped with a vertical helicopter lift, which frees up the upper deck for lifting and moving modular containers.

Hull, power plant and ship superstructure


The designers achieved even greater success in the design of the hull and superstructure of the ship. The ship's hull is steel smooth-deck. It is fundamentally new in design and differs from generally accepted ones (even from projects 20380/20385), which has become one of its main features. Thanks to the new contours of its underwater part, it was possible to reduce the hydrodynamic resistance of the ship by 25%, which made it possible to reduce the required power of the main power plant. And this automatically led to a decrease in its weight (a less powerful power plant and weighs less), which helped free up about 15-18% of the ship's displacement to increase its combat load. In addition, the decrease in hydrodynamic resistance also led to an increase in the full speed of the ship by 1,5 - 2 knots, bringing it to 30 knots. Improving the seaworthiness of the corvette and its resistance to lateral roll also influenced the combat capabilities of the ship, allowing it to use existing weapons in rough seas up to 5 points (which is 1 point higher than that of foreign classmates). In addition, due to a decrease in the noise level of the power plant mechanisms, the ship's visibility in the hydroacoustic range was also reduced (for this, even for the first time in the practice of Russian shipbuilding on a surface ship, technologies were used that were previously tested on Russian nuclear submarines of the latest generation).


The main power plant is a combined gas turbine unit with partial electric propulsion as part of two M90FR gas turbine engines with a capacity of 27500 hp. (made by NPO "ODK-Saturn") and two electric motors ADR-1600V with a capacity of 2200 hp. (manufactured by JSC Power Machines), which transmit torque to two shafts and two variable pitch propellers (CPP) through the 6РП gear unit and the inter-gear transmission (manufactured by PJSC Zvezda). I draw your attention to the latter, before that on projects 20380/20385 there were fixed-pitch propellers (FPPs). Knowledgeable people will understand what this gives the ship.

The superstructure of the ship goes from side to side and is made of multilayer composite materials (low-combustible multilayer fiberglass and structural materials based on carbon fiber with high strength characteristics). This technological solution made it possible to free up some more weight of the ship's payload to increase its firepower, since the superstructure made of fiberglass turned out to be 2-3 times lighter than a similar structure made of steel. In addition, the use of composites also meets the requirements of low radar signature (requirements for stealth technology). As a result, due to the above-mentioned architectural features of the hull and superstructure, in combination with the special coatings used; missile armament and antenna posts built into the hull; using materials with high radio-absorbing properties; local protection of individual elements of the hull, weapons and technical means, which have a decisive effect on the formation of physical fields of the upper hemisphere of the ship, the designers managed to achieve a significant reduction in its visibility in the radar and infrared ranges (the average circular effective dispersion surface (EPR) was reduced by approximately 3 times, compared to ships of old projects).

Armament and other performance characteristics


At the same time, the armament of the dream corvette was kept at the level of the previous project 20385 (and it was the most armed in its class). The number of tactical strike missiles was reduced from eight to four (the UKSK 3S14 installed there is sharpened for the use of the entire family of sea-based missiles we have - from cruise "Caliber" to supersonic anti-ship "Onyx" and hypersonic "Zircons"). To do this, the ship had to be lengthened by another couple of meters (109 meters versus 106,3 meters on project 20385), and in order to avoid trim on the bow and loss of seaworthiness, they added a meter and a half on both sides, both from the bow and from the stern ...

At the same time, the total displacement of the ship increased to 3400 tons (and this is already comparable to the displacement of the light frigate of Project 11356R, which has 4035 tons); the cruising range on the economic course (at 14 knots) increased to 5000 nautical miles (against 4000 miles for its predecessors), equal in this to frigates; full speed increased to 30 knots; the number of the crew at the same time decreased to 80 people (against 100 on previous projects), as a result of which the autonomy of navigation increased to 30 days, equal in this to frigates (on previous projects it was 2 times less).

As a result, the designers of the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau received at the exit not a corvette, but a light frigate, attention, not even a distant sea, but an oceanic zone. I don’t know what will happen to the light frigates of Project 11356R. There is already an engine for them (Rybinsk engine builders have tried), but the ship of the 90s of the last century has long been morally obsolete (the spoon is good for dinner!), And building ships that are outdated on the stocks is more expensive. Therefore, I do not exclude that the series will be closed, and that "Admiral Kornilov", awaiting his fate on the stocks of the Kaliningrad plant "Yantar", will suffer the fate of two other admirals - "Butakov" and "Istomin", he will also be sold to the Indians.

conclusions


If the corvettes of projects 20380/20385, through the efforts of their creators, brilliantly closed the problems facing the fleet in the near sea zone, then project 20386, according to the customer's plan, was supposed to solve the assigned tasks already in the far sea and ocean zones. It became the subject of a deep evolution of projects 20380/20385, but as always in such cases, it has outgrown its parents on the head, becoming in fact an experimental project of a multipurpose universal light URO frigate of the 2nd rank both in price, and in displacement, and in armament, and in autonomous navigation range (at a price even overtaking the light 2nd rank frigate of project 11356R and coming close to the heavy 1st rank frigate of project 22350).

The developers built a corvette, but actually built a frigate. Do not be confused by the price, it reflects only the cost of the filling of the product, and it was stuffed in accordance with the tasks facing the ships of the far sea zone, trying to maximize all the advantages of the revolutionary platform of the project 20380 corvette, which became the prototype of the series, while saving as much as possible in service. Because of this, the project 20386 corvette has become a kind of intermediate option between the basic 20380 project and the overloaded 20385 armament. Surpassing the first in firepower, the anti-ship complex of which the anti-ship missile system 3S24 "Uranus" was replaced by the shock UVP 3S14, and yielding in terms of ammunition to the second (on the 20385th UVP 3S14 is designed for eight attack tactical missiles, while on the 20386th the designers were limited four).

In the future, the corvettes of this project can become a good support for the Russian Navy. Recent events in the Middle East speak in favor of the fact that almost all operational and tactical tasks can be solved by warships of smaller displacement. The presence of strike missile weapons makes modern frigates and corvettes an effective deterrent. Therefore, a large series of ships of this type, given the relatively low design cost, can within a short time solve the problems of technical equipment of the Russian fleet with new combat units.

We will talk about the series in the final text, from which it will become clear why we still sold the two newest corvettes of the project 20380 "Zealous" and "Strict" to Algeria, while they were contracted for the Black Sea Fleet.
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  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 March 2021 08: 31
    +7
    Corvette 20386, this is either a criminal mistake, or just cutting the budget. Frankly weakly armed ship at the price of a full-fledged heavy frigate 22350. In terms of armament, this trough is inferior even to the corvette 20385, and its construction and operation will cost the Russian Federation like a war for Hitler. Let's start with the fact that the corvette 20386 is not a multipurpose ship, it cannot take on board all the modules at once, and the modules themselves are not in the fleet today. And not a multipurpose corvette, at the price of a heavy multipurpose frigate 22350, sorry, only ward number 6 could have invented this, or outright pests, whose all aspiration is to make the Russian fleet weaker ... The best name for this trough, Captain Saken '', since the maximum that can be done with this trough is to try to use it as a fireburner. This trough will not be able to repeat the feat of `` Mercury '', the weaponry on it is too ridiculous, especially for its size and price.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 24 March 2021 17: 26
      +2
      Let's start with the fact that the corvette 20386 is not a multipurpose ship, it cannot take on board all the modules at once, and the modules themselves are not in the fleet today.

      It would be strange if these modules were. After all, there were no ships for their use before. Modules are made for ships, and not just like that. As for weapons, there will at least be a helicopter to search for submarines and not only this is a nice addition. As for the missiles, yes yes 4 things. this is too little.

      And not a multipurpose corvette, at the price of a heavy multipurpose frigate 22350, sorry, only ward number 6 could have invented this, or outright pests, whose entire aspiration is to make the Russian fleet weaker ...

      This is not a serial ship, the price is different for piece and serial production.
      1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
        Volkonsky (Wolf) 24 March 2021 17: 35
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        again comrade 123 is right! about the prices in the following text, it is quite comparable with 20380, the difference is permissible, the only thing I do not agree with is that the ship is a multi-purpose shock missile defense, air defense, anti-aircraft missile defense - everything is with it
  2. Lime Bayun_2 Offline Lime Bayun_2
    Lime Bayun_2 (Lime Bayun) 24 March 2021 09: 04
    -2
    Our, only in the Navy, version of the American F-35, compact, beautiful, with excellent stealth characteristics, but armed to a minimum, which means it is also bespont.
  3. maiman61 Offline maiman61
    maiman61 (Yuri) 25 March 2021 06: 49
    0
    Great corvette! Simply fantastic! Faster would be in the series, because I think there will not be a big war, and in regional conflicts, the demonstration of the flag for especially stubborn ones will quickly bring them to their senses!
  4. siad Offline siad
    siad 25 March 2021 10: 50
    +4
    For some reason, the author of the article decided not to notice or pay due attention to the shortcomings of this project.

    shock capabilities are reduced compared to 20385 (Kh-35 anti-ship missiles instead of UKSK),
    high technical risk due to a large number of untested technical solutions, the need to choose between modules, which reduces multifunctionality, increased staff (each module has its own personnel), the need for storage places for modules on the shore, some of the military personnel must constantly be on the shore with their modules the price of one corvette of project 20386 is almost twice the price of corvettes of project 20380 (20385)

    and how will the modular principle of weapons manifest itself?
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Wolf) 25 March 2021 13: 07
      -5
      Comrade Siad, before you write something, you need to at least read the text! your data is out of date! at 20386, the UVP UKSK 3S14 was installed with the ability to use the entire family of Caliber-NK, Onyx, Zircon missiles. The Uranium anti-ship missile system with Kh35U missiles was installed only on the corvettes of the 20380 project (and then only on the first seven hulls, from the eighth the UKSK 3S14 instead of 3S24 Uranus goes regularly). The crew is reduced by a quarter (instead of 100 people - 80 people). The wiki from where you download the information is lagging behind, I have data from direct sources, dated in the fall of 2020
      1. siad Offline siad
        siad 25 March 2021 15: 30
        +2
        Comrade Volkonsky (Wolf), I certainly do not have data from direct sources, I understand that everyone has the right to their opinions and you are not obliged to think like critics of the project, but there are two questions, answering which, you would make the article more complete
        1.High technical risk due to a large number of untested technical solutions
        2. The modular principle of weapons, which has many controversial points, the wiki says about it
        detailed and this is not outdated information
        Speaking of corvettes, there are other options
        1.corvette based on MRK 22800
        https://topwar.ru/166159-shag-v-pravilnuju-storonu-zasvechen-proekt-mnogocelevogo-karakurta-plo.html
        2. Project 11664
        https://topwar.ru/166669-perspektivnyj-korvet-proekta-11664.html
        Consideration of these two projects would also be useful and the series of articles would again be more complete (but this is just my opinion and the author knows better what to write about)
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Wolf) 25 March 2021 16: 08
          -2
          ATP, comrade Siad, it is difficult to grasp the immensity, I wrote about corvettes and the choice of a strategic vector for the development of the surface fleet, there will be another third part, it will be released the other day, there are also conclusions. About Prospect 3 I can tell Toko that it is experimental, we will see it on it, if you don't try it, you won't know. We needed a ship in the oceanic zone, it is difficult to build them on the basis of the MRK, they are, whatever one may say, sharpened for the near sea zone. I wrote about Karakurt, here -
          https://topcor.ru/18963-uspehi-motorostroitelej-v-chem-pljusy-i-minusy-nashih-korabelnyh-gazoturbin.html
          I will read your texts, then I will unsubscribe. It's always nice to talk to an intelligent person.
        2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Wolf) 25 March 2021 17: 15
          -1
          So, comrade. Siad, I read about superKarakurt, I answer - not a competitor to corvettes 20386, imprisoned for BMZ (near sea zone), but we need DMZ (distant) and OZ (oceanic), its main task is PLO, OVR (protection of the water area) - covering the area deployment of submarines at the time of their departure from the bases. That does not negate its necessity, the MPK park is aging, goes into utilization, the TFR is also not getting younger.

          Regarding RTOs, the author does not understand why they were built in such a quantity. What betrays a narrow specialist in him - a PLO moreman, not a rocket officer. The whole trick, dear comrade. Siad, that RTOs carry tactical nuclear weapons of retaliation Caliber-NK with a coverage radius of up to 2,5 thousand officially, and unofficially, I will tell you a secret, up to 4 thousand km. And woe to our enemies, who know every little about all our silos of ground-based strategic ballistic missiles (ground triad of nuclear weapons) and can cover them in time with a preemptive strike, carriers of sea-based cruise calibers (and in the future, hypersonic Zircons with a range of up to 10 Thousand km) it is impossible to cover, due to their constant movement, and in the case of RTOs, this is possible not only in inland seas such as the Caspian, but also along rivers, and this is already a complete scribe for our enemies. Diesel-electric submarines Varshavyanka solves the same tasks as MRK, but already in the DMZ, closer to the decision-making centers of our sworn friends.

          Now you understand the cunning plans of Comrade Putin? And do not you think that in the Kremlin and the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation all are completely fools and bribe-takers? We must look at things wider, comrade. Siad. Remember the speech of Comrade Putin in Munich 2007? It was necessary to answer for the market, and Vova answered. It seemed a little to no one! Obama really got sick, after 26 volleys across Syria from the Caspian Sea from some kind of inflatable mattresses that couldn't even be seen in a periscope, he retired and started writing his memoirs under the general title "I and the Genius of Crime Putin."
          1. 2534 Offline 2534
            2534 April 9 2021 13: 01
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            Quote: Volkonsky
            I read superKarakurt, I answer - not a competitor to corvettes 20386, imprisoned for BMZ (near sea zone), but we need DMZ (distant) and OZ (oceanic),

            Monsieur Volkonsky, from YOU a mile away reeks of "interest" lol
            and "for reference" - what was "thrown" in 20386 - this is INCOMPLETE COVERED (primarily because of the "Barrier")
            DIFFERENT FROM "KARAKURTA"
            on which "for some reason" EVERYTHING WORKS
            even a TOWER WITH AFAR !!!
            and it costs (I'm not talking about the displacement, but the cost of combat systems and complexes) A ​​LOT less

            Quote: Volkonsky
            Regarding RTOs, the author does not understand why they were built in such a quantity. What betrays a narrow specialist in him - a PLO Moreman, not a rocketman. The whole trick, dear comrade. Siad that RTOs carry tactical nuclear weapons of retaliation Caliber-NK

            Volkonsky you don't understand here YOU - and ABSOLUTELY
            UKSK is also needed for PLO (PLUR)
            acc. nothing prevents to put there and the CD
            "large" complex of the Central Control Center of the Kyrgyz Republic is NOT NEEDED
            however, on the same 22800 it is still there (for anti-ship missiles)
      2. Volder Offline Volder
        Volder 25 March 2021 20: 59
        +2
        Quote: Volkonsky
        The Uranium anti-ship missile system with Kh35U missiles was installed only on the corvettes of the 20380 project (and then only on the first seven hulls, from the eighth the UKSK 3S14 instead of 3S24 Uranus goes regularly).

        Speaking of corvette hulls, could you specify the names of the corvettes? What is the name of the seventh and eighth corvettes? Or is it unknown to you?
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Wolf) 25 March 2021 21: 17
          -3
          I know this is Zealous and Strict so far, but if they are sold to Algeria, then they will be other ships
          1. Volder Offline Volder
            Volder 25 March 2021 22: 07
            +2
            Quote: Volkonsky
            it is Zealous and Stern

            If you look at the dates of tabs 20380 at Severnaya Verf and Amur Shipyard, then Zealous is the seventh building, and Strogiy is the eighth. If export corvettes 20380 are equipped with UKSK 3S14, then what is installed on the seventh "Retive" ??
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Wolf) 25 March 2021 22: 39
              -3
              RCC Uranus was supposed to be, and what will be - the question is at the wrong address
              Algerians may get - 1 x missile system "Uran-E" (8 anti-ship missiles)
              This is one of the configuration options for the Tigers.
              1. Volder Offline Volder
                Volder 25 March 2021 23: 48
                +2
                Quote: Volkonsky
                This is one of the configuration options for the Tigers.

                You yourself said that Tigers are not building the plant. Equipping with "Yakhont" or "Caliber" is the basic version of the export version 20380. That is, NOT the basic version cannot be worse. In general, you do not know what kind of armament the seventh corvette will have. How so? Maybe ask your secret source?lol He reports to you about the rest, but not about this. Strange ... laughing
                1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                  Volkonsky (Wolf) 26 March 2021 00: 38
                  -3
                  So, the evening ceases to be languid ... The tiger of project 20382 differs from project 20380 only in its weapons, it comes with the letter E. The customer chooses the complete set. I have not a word about the basic configuration. Ask the person who told you about it. I also did not write anything about secret sources. No need to answer. The topic has been exhausted.
                  1. Volder Offline Volder
                    Volder 26 March 2021 07: 42
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                    Quote: Volkonsky
                    I have not a word about the basic configuration.

                    It's bad that not a word. The export version 22380 is not equipped with the Uranium anti-ship missile system. If you think differently - link to sources in the studio. I myself did not find them.

                    I also did not write anything about secret sources.

                    Where then did you get the confirmation that "Zealous" and "Strict" have already been sold to Algeria? You claim this as a fait accompli. Although there were no official announcements either from Algeria or from Russia. Here, either you write with a blue eye, or you have an insider informant.
                    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                      Volkonsky (Wolf) 26 March 2021 12: 56
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                      link to sources in the studio. I myself did not find them.

                      I knew that the inscriptions like "Don't get in - kill!" and "Don't stand under the arrow" is not for you. There it was written above - No need to answer. The topic is over! With what fright did you decide that I will communicate with you? You have gone beyond what is permitted in the discussion. Why do you allow yourself to talk to me from top to bottom, with slight irony and mockery, and in this case, even in an orderly tone - a link to the studio. Usually people add please. I, of course, have it, where all the Tigers configuration options are written in black and white, the source of the Almaz TsMKB is the manufacturer. Look for yourself, I was not hired to work for you. There are readers who here do not satisfy their unrealized ambitions, but are trying to figure something out. With those like me on the way. And you communicate with your own kind. I don't know everything either. In this text I tried to understand why this attraction of unprecedented generosity? The answer is in the 3rd part, it will be released today or tomorrow. I did not find a direct answer, only from a series of assumptions
                      1. Volder Offline Volder
                        Volder 27 March 2021 00: 36
                        0
                        Are you leaning towards the fact that "Strict" and "Zealous" are actually export 20382 Tiger? Your assumptions do not have any confirmation, and therefore you can be wrong. The topic will be exhausted when you stop passing off your inventions as the ultimate truth.
                      2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                        Volkonsky (Wolf) 27 March 2021 09: 19
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                        Is that why I say this is a clinic? Chel scribbles to me in public carts, accusing me of all seriousness. But he writes this under the text, where there are no words about the Algerians, here is considered pr. 20386. Why not write this under the text, where this issue is considered? I don’t know, this is no longer for me. I explain to him, the investigation text has a continuation, wait, all the dots over the i, more precisely the ellipsis, are placed there. No, he wants to. He needs to insert his 2 kopecks now. What for? Again, this is not for me, this is for the doctor. Most likely, here we are dealing with some unrealized personal ambitions. Here, in the fields of other people's texts, he expresses himself. A wretched occupation. I tell such people right away - if you don’t like something, don’t read it, here is the paper - write better. No, he doesn’t like everything so much that he doesn’t feel sorry for his time to write how he doesn’t like it. Reminds the customer who came to the store to say that he will not buy anything from them. Do not buy! The exit is there.

                        Now, with regards to the topic of the Algerian Navy and our Black Sea Fleet. Here are links to Russian and Algerian sources where they write about it.
                        https://topwar.ru/177392-stanut-samymi-opasnymi-korabljami-v-afrike-pressa-ssha-o-pokupke-alzhirom-korvetov-tipa-stereguschij.html
                        https://topcor.ru/17791-rossija-gotovit-k-prodazhe-samyj-vooruzhennyj-storozhevik-v-mire.html
                        https://www.menadefense.net/algerie/lalgerie-a-t-elle-commandee-des-corvettes-tigre/
                        Here's the counterversion, pay attention to the armament of the 7th corps - 3S24 anti-ship missiles
                        https://iz.ru/1011810/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/v-meru-retivyi-chernomorskii-flot-usiliat-nevidimym-korablem
                        I was also interested in this. Why can't I do my own investigation? The results of the investigation were in the third article, which has already been released. But people, without even waiting for them, writes me all sorts of carts. So who is he after that? Well, it would be moreman who knows the cuisine and the intricacies of the issue, but there is no sofa researcher who, apparently, has nothing to do. What fleet did you serve, tovarisch? How many long hikes are behind you? And all without getting off the couch?
                        Tiger complete set:
                        1 x missile system "Uran-E" (8 anti-ship missiles) - Var. one
                        1 x missile system "Caliber-NKE" (8 missiles) or complex "Yakhont" (8 anti-ship missiles) - Var. 2 and 3
                        http://www.almaz-kb.ru/products/voennogo-naznacheniya/korvety-malye-raketnye-korabli-i-raketnye-katera/malyy-storozhevoy-korabl-korvet-proekta-20382-tigr/
                        Ischo any questions?
                      3. Volder Offline Volder
                        Volder 28 March 2021 22: 34
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                        Quote: Volkonsky
                        Here are links to Russian and Algerian sources where they write about it.
                        https://topwar.ru/177392-stanut-samymi-opasnymi-korabljami-v-afrike-pressa-ssha-o-pokupke-alzhirom-korvetov-tipa-stereguschij.html
                        https://topcor.ru/17791-rossija-gotovit-k-prodazhe-samyj-vooruzhennyj-storozhevik-v-mire.html
                        https://www.menadefense.net/algerie/lalgerie-a-t-elle-commandee-des-corvettes-tigre/

                        All these links of yours absolutely do not confirm anything. These are just reprints and retellings of the Algerian journalistic "duck", disinformation. This is so frivolous that there is nothing to argue about! Unscrupulous journalists invent without bothering to verify information, and you repeat after them. I would be ashamed if I were you.
                      4. 2534 Offline 2534
                        2534 April 9 2021 11: 16
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                        Quote: Volkonsky
                        Why can't I do my own investigation? The results of the investigation were in the third article, which has already been released.

                        because YOU ARE NOT ABLE for it
                        lack of education, intellectual level
                  2. 2534 Offline 2534
                    2534 April 9 2021 11: 15
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                    Quote: Volkonsky
                    I, of course, have it, where all the Tigers' configuration options are written in black and white, the source of the Almaz TsMKB is the manufacturer. Look for yourself, I was not hired to work for you.

                    photos of the "Algerian Tiger" model in the network were given, we expect from YOU a proof for YOU "available from Almaz" wassat configuration option
                  3. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                    Volkonsky (Wolf) April 9 2021 17: 58
                    -1
                    http://www.almaz-kb.ru/products/voennogo-naznacheniya/korvety-malye-raketnye-korabli-i-raketnye-katera/malyy-storozhevoy-korabl-korvet-proekta-20382-tigr/
                    go shoot yourself!
                  4. 2534 Offline 2534
                    2534 April 9 2021 18: 04
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                    Quote: Volkonsky
                    http://www.almaz-kb.ru/products/voennogo-naznacheniya/korvety-malye-raketnye-korabli-i-raketnye-katera/malyy-storozhevoy-korabl-korvet-proekta-20382-tigr/
                    go shoot yourself!

                    Monsieur Volkonsky, YOU ARE IN A Puddle again lol
                    because these links to the "Algerian version" DO NOT HAVE request
                    Wait too lazy to look for a photo (there is no time) then I will post a photo of the "failed Algerian" model

                    so I see no reason to "shoot" lol
  • IMHO Offline IMHO
    IMHO (nikitoss) 25 March 2021 12: 03
    +4
    Once again on the same rake. First, we scold the USSR that there were many different types of ships. Then we do the same. You need a lot of used ships in the production, and not these experiments with modularity and versatility.
  • Polente the Wanderer 25 March 2021 15: 43
    +4
    A modular system is the future. If you get by with only a single ship of the 20386 series and work out all the pros and cons on it, that's good. But if you launch a light frigate at the price of a heavy frigate, then it's a cut. We are not the USA, we print money so that they can be accepted the whole world, we cannot. If the initiators, at their own expense, put 20386 into the series, then there is no problem.
  • 2534 Offline 2534
    2534 April 9 2021 11: 13
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    We do not know how everything will end there in high offices, but we can evaluate the results of the work of the designers of the Almaz Central Design Bureau already today. As a result, thanks to the innovative technologies incorporated in the design, at the exit we received a fundamentally new ship. This has never happened before in the Russian Navy.

    yeah, we can - it sucks in terms of combat qualities and capabilities 2086
    at a cost as a frigate 22350

    The designers achieved even greater success in the design of the hull and superstructure of the ship.

    Given the fact that despite the much more displacement than 20385 "successes" fool 20386 were as follows belay that Calibrov (Onyx and Zircon cannot be placed in the container) has become TWICE LESS (and for this the helicopter was thrown overboard !!!), while their use has extremely strict restrictions on excitement (by 20386), "successes" wassat the constructors of this project just "go jamb" wassat

    On the ship 20386, it is planned to place helicopter-type UAVs, unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs), similar to those used on mine defense ships, as well as multi-purpose remotely controlled unmanned boats (BEC).

    what stopped me from putting it on 20380 (5)!?!?
    faberge?!?!
  • 2534 Offline 2534
    2534 April 9 2021 11: 27
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    If the corvettes of projects 20380/20385, through the efforts of their creators, brilliantly closed the problems facing the fleet in the near sea zone,

    fool
    Volkonsky, are you writing about their still acute shortcomings (for example, in air defense)?

    then the project 20386 was supposed, according to the customer's plan, to solve the assigned tasks already in the distant sea and ocean zones.

    It was supposed to be a MASS series of project 22350, which, at the same cost, covers Project 20386 in terms of efficiency like a bull to a sheep - until the SCAM from 20386 began!

    And Volkonsky's phrase is especially remarkable

    Do not be confused by the price,

    For me, so "interest" from the author is clearly ...

    Well, the "cherry on the cake" -

    the corvette of project 20386 became a kind of intermediate option between the basic 20380th project and the overloaded armament of the 20385th.

    at the same time, 20386 turned out to be SIGNIFICANTLY EXPENSIVE to 20385, reaching almost the price level of 22350
  • 2534 Offline 2534
    2534 April 9 2021 16: 33
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    Well, for comparison with this opus by Monsieur Volkonsky, there are several really relevant articles on Project 20386 and about our corvettes in general:
    Corvette 20386. Continuation of the scam
    https://topwar.ru/155697-korvet-20386-prodolzhenie-afery.html
    Corvettes that will go into battle
    https://topwar.ru/174174-korvety-kotorye-pojdut-v-boj.html
    Patrol modules won't save
    https://topwar.ru/174150-moduli-patrulniki-ne-spasut.html
    and more
    https://topwar.ru/178644-gremjaschij-i-drugie-poluchit-li-nash-flot-jeffektivnye-korabli-blizhnej-zony.html
    https://topwar.ru/178450-dyrjavyj-zontik-flot-tehnicheskij-razbor-strelb-gremjaschego.html
    https://topwar.ru/169164-protivolodochnaja-oborona-korabli-protiv-podlodok-chast-1-gidroakustika.html
    https://topwar.ru/169478-protivolodochnaja-oborona-korabli-protiv-podlodok-oruzhie-i-taktika.html