30 "Bayraktar" against the army of militias: Kiev will rely on drones and "Javelins"


The Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass are on full alert, writes the Ukrainian Internet publication "Strana", referring to the words of an informant in the local Ministry of Defense.


The source confirmed that the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is carefully studying the experience of the recent war in Nagorno-Karabakh. In particular, much attention was paid to the effectiveness of the Turkish drones Bayraktar TB2 ("Bayraktar TB2"), which are already in service with Ukraine.

Now there are all conditions to return to Ukraine a significant part of the uncontrolled territories. All you need is an order from the commander in chief

- he said.

The truce ended in fact at the end of January. Arrivals from that side every night. From our side, the same actions

- he added.

It should be noted that recently the opinion about the achievability of a “blitzkrieg” in Donbass prevails in the “patriotic” community of Ukraine. In Kiev, they allegedly relied on the use of the aforementioned drones and American ATGM FGM-148 Javelin ("Javelin") against the militia army.

On March 14, 2021, two Boeing C-17A Globemaster of the Qatari Air Force brought 30 units of reconnaissance and strike Bayraktar from Turkey to Ukraine.


In addition, the APU deployed in the immediate vicinity of the demarcation line in Donbass, 5 S-300V1 units. This was done out of fear of the possible use by Russia of its OTRK and military aviation, in the event of the start of a military campaign by Kiev against the DPR and LPR.
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  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 March 2021 14: 13
    +9
    I remember in Georgia the Banderites who fought against the Russian Federation on the side of their native godfather Yushchenko, the rodent Misha, the UKROPs were able to shoot down several Soviet-made Russian Air Force planes. The very first flight of the new Su-34s sounded like a death knell for the UKROP. If they jerk, they need to hit the government dachas with cruise missiles, near Kiev, and level them to the ground in the first place. They do not feel sorry for the garbage that Zelensky and the company drove into the trenches, but they will surely feel sorry for their loved ones.
    1. margo Offline margo
      margo (margo) 16 March 2021 16: 42
      .
      I remember Bandera in Georgia

      when Bandera's people around seem to mean health problems, an urgent need to go to the doctor.
      1. shvn Offline shvn
        shvn (Vyacheslav) 16 March 2021 18: 32
        +11
        Madam, Banderlog from Khokhlyandiya fought in Georgia. They bragged about their successes on TV in Ukraine. So get ready to see a doctor yourself.
      2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 (Victor) 16 March 2021 21: 00
        +2
        Quote: margo
        I remember Bandera in Georgia

        when Bandera's people around seem to mean health problems, an urgent need to go to the doctor.

        and you, sick one, are broadcasting from the madhouse?
      3. Tungsten Molybdenum (Tungsten Molybdenum) 9 May 2021 15: 20
        0
        And who, then, in Kuevo, the march in memory of the Galicia division suits those who renamed Zhukov Avenue into Bandera and Shukhevych Avenue

    2. qwer_2 Offline qwer_2
      qwer_2 (Glory Star) April 9 2021 10: 57
      0
      Some? in the region there are 9 of them TU-22. So there is no need to engage in harshness, but to perceive Ukrainians as a worthy adversary.
  2. SONATA 2.0 LPG Offline SONATA 2.0 LPG
    SONATA 2.0 LPG 16 March 2021 14: 25
    .
    But we asked you Russians not to be nice to the Turks, with these creatures and geeks. They did not obey. Now they sniff with the Ukrainians and set them on you, you will know. Although you're no stranger, one dagger in the back is more or less ...
    1. General Black Offline General Black
      General Black (Gennady) 16 March 2021 14: 43
      +16
      Why didn't you Armenians try it yourself? All are hiding behind the Russian backs. They asked me not to be nice. Please tell me. They themselves have a small intestine. You teach your father to fulfill his duties here. Watch out for your fools, who are picking flags in a foreign country.
      https://cont.ws/@Zergulio/1941775
      1. SONATA 2.0 LPG Offline SONATA 2.0 LPG
        SONATA 2.0 LPG 16 March 2021 15: 37
        .
        Keep track of your fools, who pushed off offensive weapons on 2 divisions to our blood enemies
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 16 March 2021 15: 44
          +10

          - The police detained a native of Armenia, Henrikh Yeritsyan, who tore the Russian flag from the flagpole in front of the "Academy of Ice" sports complex in Moscow.

          As I understand it, citizen Yeritsyan is dissatisfied with Russia's behavior in the Karabakh conflict and decided to unleash his personal war in nourishing and safe Moscow. There is an opinion that citizen Yeritsyan is very much needed in his homeland.

          SONATA 2.0 LPGand you will be caught if you misbehave. laughing
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        2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 16 March 2021 20: 08
          +3
          to our blood enemies

          Leave your blood feuds to yourself, this is not an argument for Russia.
        3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 16 March 2021 20: 14
          +6
          to our blood enemies

          These are your problems, you should not drag Russia into interethnic squabbles.
          We will also remain guilty (as always).
          It is enough that Russia did not allow Aliyev to finish the sexual intercourse with your amusing Pashinyan, having conquered all of Karabakh. repeat
        4. General Black Offline General Black
          General Black (Gennady) 17 March 2021 15: 30
          0
          Well, they would shove your fools offensive weapons on 3 divisions. The result would be the same.
      2. SONATA 2.0 LPG Offline SONATA 2.0 LPG
        SONATA 2.0 LPG 16 March 2021 15: 39
        .
        And what are you not writing about Permyakov?
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 16 March 2021 15: 46
          +8
          SONATA 2.0 LPG, you are very much needed at home!
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                2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                  Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 March 2021 17: 04
                  +15
                  Why should the Armenian diaspora sit on sofas with their women in the Russian Federation, and the Russians, who until recently the Armenian hamlo used to call the invaders, should go to fight for your Karabakh? You have completely beguiled the rams there! I would withdraw all the Russian troops from Armenia and deported Armenians from the Russian Federation to Karabakh so that people like you would not be rude to us on our websites, but would go to fight for their land, if you are men and you need it, and if not, go to silently wash Turkish sarties and don't rot here. As for me, that you, that the Azerbaijanis, the Russian Federation should not expect anything good from you. Besides, do you think we have forgotten how the Armenians staged a terrorist attack in the Moscow metro, during the Brezhnev era ?! At least the Azerbaijanis did not blow up anything in the Russian Federation, unlike you ... although we will not forget the Russian refugees from Baku either ...
    2. shinobi Offline shinobi
      shinobi (Yuri) 17 March 2021 03: 19
      +3
      They got used to leaving the Ottomans at the expense of the Russian bayonet. And then they thought they would sit out. Oblom. They did not want to recognize the NKR, reap the benefits.
    3. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
      Piramidon (Stepan) 17 March 2021 11: 58
      +3
      Quote: SONATA 2.0 LPG
      But we asked you Russians not to be nice to the Turks, with these creatures and geeks. Did not obey.

      It is good to solve your problems with someone else's blood. If you listen to the calls of all users on the internet (from what hangover?), Russia should fight with the whole world.
  3. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 16 March 2021 15: 12
    .
    - The experience of the war in Karabakh has shown that Russia really does not have light, mobile, powerful radars capable of detecting Bayraktars in advance and quickly issuing target designations for air defense systems - which are also missing - necessary and capable of shooting down these Bayraktars with a high probability.
    It seems that the Ukrainians really "groped a hole in the defense" of Russia ...
    And the Russian air defense system in short-range air defense systems is long overdue to switch to air defense missiles with an AR seeker or thermal imaging seeker. It is high time to throw this disgrace of radio command guidance into the junk! And increase the radar power. It's a shame.
    Turkish UAVs gave zvizdyuli in Karabakh, if the same story repeats itself in Donbass, it will be a complete "loss of face" ...
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 March 2021 16: 47
      +7
      If you are such heroes finally declare war on the Russian Federation, after all, we are all as one, according to you, drunks, our armament is bullshit, you will beat us with slippers ... So what's the matter, where are the Ukrainian tanks near Moscow? Bayraktars are good against Armenia, which did not use its aircraft ... The Georgian MiG-29 drones of the Russian Air Force were quickly scrapped.
    2. Leon68 Offline Leon68
      Leon68 (Leon) 16 March 2021 16: 55
      +6
      Michael1950 (Michael), it's strange that you are still here, and not in the General Staff of the Russian Ministry of Defense, or, at least, in Ukraine. Hand over the sofa. You, as an outstanding strategist, have been waiting for you in the offices of these departments.
    3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 16 March 2021 20: 43
      +4
      - Experience of the war in Karabakh showed that Russia really does not have light, mobile, powerful radars capable of detecting Bayraktars in advance and quickly issuing target designations for air defense missile systems - which are also missing - necessary and capable of shooting down these Bayraktars with a high probability.

      I don’t remember that Russia was conducting military operations in Karabakh.
    4. shinobi Offline shinobi
      shinobi (Yuri) 17 March 2021 03: 24
      0
      You should at least follow the events chtol. What is the point in advanced weapons, and the Armenians had them (on paper) if they do not fight?
    5. Mish Offline Mish
      Mish (Misha) 17 March 2021 10: 10
      0
      Quote: Michael1950
      - The experience of the war in Karabakh has shown that Russia really does not have light, mobile, powerful radars capable of detecting Bayraktars in advance and quickly issuing target designations for air defense systems - which are also missing - necessary and capable of shooting down these Bayraktars with a high probability.
      It seems that the Ukrainians really "groped a hole in the defense" of Russia ...
      And the Russian air defense system in short-range air defense systems is long overdue to switch to air defense missiles with an AR seeker or thermal imaging seeker. It is high time to throw this disgrace of radio command guidance into the junk! And increase the radar power. It's a shame.
      Turkish UAVs gave zvizdyuli in Karabakh, if the same story repeats itself in Donbass, it will be a complete "loss of face" ...

      The problem is that there is no Russian air defense in Karabakh and Donbass. And what the Armenians have are ancient "arrows".
    6. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
      Kofesan (Valery) 18 March 2021 00: 18
      0
      Quote: Michael1950
      - The experience of the war in Karabakh has shown that Russia really does not have light, mobile, powerful radars capable of detecting Bayraktars in advance and, ...

      Strictly speaking, it was not the Bayraktars who made the war in Karabakh. Almost all video documents from there are evidence of this. Already over a hundred, probably, exceeded the number of publications on this topic. The Turks and their students used a bunch of inconspicuous and small-sized reconnaissance drones and beam-guided (according to the Krasnopol principle) jet missiles fired from stationary installations .... And the myth about Bayraktars is a Turkish simple "trick" for the sake of money
  4. Baytaktars to you? Javellins for you? How do you like Grady?
  5. amateur Offline amateur
    amateur (Victor) 16 March 2021 15: 56
    +11
    In particular, much attention was paid to the effectiveness of the Turkish drones Bayraktar TB2 ("Bayraktar TB2"), which are already in service with Ukraine.

    An aircraft with the characteristics of the Ju-87, used against the semi-guerrilla forces of Nagorno-Karabakh, is, of course, such a wunderwolf that you cannot tell where PR ends, and where the real facts of combat effectiveness go.
    1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
      Michael1950 (Michael) 16 March 2021 19: 34
      -9
      - The old boring question: why did the Russian air defense systems sold / donated / rented to the Armenians were unable to fulfill their functions of destroying UAVs made "of shit and sticks"? Why did Turkish UAVs destroy more than $ XNUMX billion worth of Russian weapons and military equipment there with impunity?

      1. sergey - 33 Offline sergey - 33
        sergey - 33 (Sergey S) 16 March 2021 20: 16
        +4
        In Syria, even with a Grad volley, not a single shell falls on the territory of the Russian base. The Armenians were not given a glass ... how they managed to break everything and cut their hands - that's a question for them.
        1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
          Michael1950 (Michael) 16 March 2021 20: 39
          -7
          - I'll tell you a terrible, terrible secret: Khmeimim airbase has never been seriously attacked... Neither Israel, nor the Turks, nor the Americans. Insurgents launched some strange flying models around Khmeimim, my children in the aircraft modeling circle made them better! ..
          1. Ser sash Offline Ser sash
            Ser sash (Ser Sash) 16 March 2021 21: 53
            +2
            Thinking knocking down a small wooden model is easy?
          2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) 16 March 2021 23: 51
            +2
            - I will tell you a terrible, terrible secret: no one has ever seriously attacked the Khmeimim airbase.

            Apparently someone has enough brains to check out the consequences "seriously". repeat

            Have you thought about this topic?
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          4. Dear sofa expert. 17 March 2021 01: 16
            +2
            Neither Israel, nor the Turks, nor the Americans. Insurgents launched some strange flying models on Khmeimim

            Patch up your leaky "dome" first, then open your stupid mitten.

            The Iron Dome missile defense system did not intercept a missile aimed at Ashkelon: the Israeli army comments on the situation
            https://www.google.de/amp/s/amp.topwar.ru/177349-sistema-pro-zheleznyj-kupol-ne-perehvatila-raketu-nacelennuju-na-ashkelon-v-armii-izrailja-kommentirujut-situaciju.html
          5. shinobi Offline shinobi
            shinobi (Yuri) 17 March 2021 03: 25
            0
            Yeah, tell that to the Syrians and Libyans, they'll appreciate
          6. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
            Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 17 March 2021 19: 50
            +1
            Quote: Michael1950
            - I'll tell you a terrible, terrible secret: Khmeimim airbase has never been seriously attacked... Neither Israel, nor the Turks, nor the Americans. Insurgents launched some strange flying models around Khmeimim, my children in the aircraft modeling circle made them better! ..

            Likewise, no one has ever seriously attacked Israel, neither Russia nor even Iran, it is simply stupid to consider downed antediluvian missiles from Gaza a great achievement.
      2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 16 March 2021 20: 51
        +2
        - The old boring question: why did the Russian air defense systems sold / donated / rented to the Armenians were unable to fulfill their functions of destroying UAVs made "of shit and sticks"?

        And they were there in the necessary quantities to create a dense, echeloned air defense ??

        The answer to your question is here:

        Another purchase, around which there was a scandal in Armenia, was the delivery from Jordan of several dozen units of modernized Osa AK anti-aircraft missile systems, which was reported by Jane's Defense Weekly and confirmed by BBC sources close to the Armenian authorities. The interlocutors questioned the motivation for purchasing rather old complexes from third countries, if Armenia can directly purchase modern air defense systems from Russia.
      3. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
        Piramidon (Stepan) 17 March 2021 12: 04
        +1
        Quote: Michael1950
        why the Russian air defense systems sold / donated / rented to the Armenians were unable to fulfill their functions

        By themselves, these tools do not solve anything. This is IRON. And if the Armenians did not use them or did not know how to use them, then these are their problems, but not Russia.
  6. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 16 March 2021 20: 48
    -7
    Quote: Ulysses
    I don’t remember that Russia was conducting military operations in Karabakh.

    - Russian weapons fought there in full.
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 16 March 2021 21: 16
      +2
      - Russian weapons fought there in full.

      Lying.
      According to the air defense, individual specimens that did not make the weather.

      By the way, the ATGMs worked great, the rest was simply not used.
    2. Dear sofa expert. 17 March 2021 01: 18
      +4
      I don’t remember that Russia was conducting military operations in Karabakh.

      - Russian weapons fought there in full.

      It is not weapons that are fighting, but people. Well, or at least the Armenians.
    3. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 17 March 2021 04: 46
      0
      It is not the weapon that fights, but the spirit!
      Well, the Armenians did not have a fighting spirit, so Artsakh was profiled.
      But the Donbass militia, the spirit turned out to be just right. That's why you caught seven cauldrons.
      Shroud Ukraine!
    4. Mish Offline Mish
      Mish (Misha) 17 March 2021 10: 13
      0
      Quote: Michael1950
      Quote: Ulysses
      I don’t remember that Russia was conducting military operations in Karabakh.

      - Russian weapons fought there in full.

      Even the Armenian army did not fight there
    5. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
      Piramidon (Stepan) 17 March 2021 12: 09
      0
      Quote: Michael1950
      Quote: Ulysses
      I don’t remember that Russia was conducting military operations in Karabakh.

      - Russian weapons fought there in full.

      Yeah, the weapon should fight by itself, and the one who should operate the weapon can sell persimmon on the Russian markets.
  7. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 16 March 2021 20: 53
    -5
    Quote: Ulysses
    ... The interlocutors questioned the motivation for purchasing rather old complexes from third countries, if Armenia can directly purchase modern air defense systems from Russia.

    - It is not clear ... Did Russia sell them dearly?
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 16 March 2021 21: 11
      +5
      where did so many idiots come from on the outskirts, it looks like you have a selection selection going on there, but you definitely passed it laughing
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 16 March 2021 21: 20
      +6
      - It is not clear ... Did Russia sell them dearly?

      Contact the Armenian leadership with this question.

      PS Modern weapons are never cheap, especially air defense weapons.
      The Armenian world diaspora, about which they trumpeted here, has become completely impoverished ?? laughing
  8. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 16 March 2021 21: 19
    -7
    Quote: Ulysses
    - Russian weapons fought there in full.

    Lying.
    According to the air defense, individual specimens that did not make the weather.

    - Why use air defense systems that "don't make the weather"? There are several damaged "Thors" ... They do not make the weather?
    1. Ser sash Offline Ser sash
      Ser sash (Ser Sash) 16 March 2021 22: 03
      +4
      The Turks are just a warlike nation and there are enough good strategists there. Where they cannot win qualitatively, they use trick. When they began to lose a lot of UAVs in Libya from the Shells, they simply cut off the supply routes with ammunition, and then bombed them in storage areas. In Karabakh, the distances are not so large, there it is possible to cover the detected air defense with artillery, it is possible to overload the air defense with multiple targets, after all, at least one can not be afraid of a strike on the UAV control stations, because they are on the territory of Azerbaijan and only Armenia could hit them, and it means a full-fledged war. And the Azerbaijanis would not have attacked Karabakh if ​​they were not sure that Russia would stand on the sidelines. Surely even a list of acceptable weapons was agreed upon.
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 16 March 2021 23: 56
      +2
      - Why use air defense systems that "don't make the weather"? There are several damaged "Thors" ... They do not make the weather?

      Naturally they don't.
      Are you an air defense specialist for Karabakh ??

      Then enlighten us how it was built. repeat
      Do not be shy.
    3. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 17 March 2021 15: 21
      -2
      Here is a great video on the use of UAVs by the Turks in Syria, a year ago.



      They clearly show that the rocket arrives from somewhere from the side, and the shooting is from the UAV of the observer and the target indicator.
  9. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 17 March 2021 00: 35
    -7
    What nonsense. RF will intervene. Although if something happens, then finally the Russian Federation will get real sanctions.
    1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 17 March 2021 04: 51
      +3
      Estonian, your sanctions have been imposed on Russia since the 16th century!))
      And you still consider it a panacea?
  10. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 17 March 2021 01: 14
    -2
    it's like maize in 2 invisible world \ plywood \ and the same slow-moving ones-Here's the problem-full degradation-2-3 maha-dagger-and other crap-and there is nothing to knock down a shitty toy ..
  11. shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 17 March 2021 03: 27
    +3
    The question with a bad outskirts must be closed.
  12. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 17 March 2021 04: 08
    -4
    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    Neither Israel, nor the Turks, nor the Americans. Insurgents launched some strange flying models on Khmeimim

    Patch up your leaky "dome" first, then open your stupid mitten.

    The Iron Dome missile defense system did not intercept a missile aimed at Ashkelon: the Israeli army comments on the situation
    https://www.google.de/amp/s/amp.topwar.ru/177349-sistema-pro-zheleznyj-kupol-ne-perehvatila-raketu-nacelennuju-na-ashkelon-v-armii-izrailja-kommentirujut-situaciju.html

    - If such a stream of missiles went to Khmeinim, as sometimes comes from Gaza, there would be continuous ashes and ruins. Our "leaky Dome" is like "bull against sheep" compared to Russian air defense systems. Yes, sometimes she misses something, nothing in the world is perfect. But in comparison with Russian air defense systems - like a product from Alpha Centauri or Tau Kita ... laughing lol
    So, "undoing your mitten" is just ridiculous! wink
    1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 17 March 2021 04: 57
      +1
      Your iron bullshit can only shoot down that starships from Alpha Centauri. And then, in view of the ephemerality of such goals.
    2. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 17 March 2021 20: 03
      +1
      ... Our "leaky Dome" compared to Russian air defense systems is like "a bull against a sheep." Yes, sometimes she misses something, nothing in the world is perfect. But in comparison with Russian air defense systems - like a product from Alpha Centauri or Tau Kita ... laughing lol

      Nonsense, Russian air defense / missile defense is one of the best in the world, if not the best, even the hegemon recognizes this, can you give an example of where it would have been broken through?
  13. amateur Offline amateur
    amateur (Victor) 17 March 2021 05: 15
    +1
    Quote: Michael1950
    I'll tell you a terrible, terrible secret: no one has ever seriously attacked the Khmeimim airbase ...

    A little bit missing before its logical conclusion: "did not attack seriously... I swear by my mother. I personally made these drones on my knee and launched them myself. Ti mne varish? "
  14. Xuli (o) Tebenado 17 March 2021 09: 22
    +2
    Cyborg Taras Sivosrak from Ternopil in honor of giving the USA to Ukraine lethally giving his beloved goat a beautiful and patriotic "Javelina"
  15. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 17 March 2021 11: 58
    -3
    Quote: The Fourth Horseman
    It is not the weapon that fights, but the spirit!

    - Today the spirit without weapons is nothing, zero.

    Well, the Armenians did not have a fighting spirit, so Artsakh was profiled.

    - The fighting spirit of the Armenians was to hell and above, - they didn't have the right weapons.

    But the Donbass militia, the spirit turned out to be just right. That's why you caught seven cauldrons.
    Shroud Ukraine!

    - During the time of independence, the Ukrainians sold and pissed away all their weapons systems, they just had nothing to fight with ...
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 17 March 2021 20: 11
      +1
      Quote: Michael1950
      Quote: The Fourth Horseman
      It is not the weapon that fights, but the spirit!

      - Today the spirit without weapons is nothing, zero.

      Well, the Armenians did not have a fighting spirit, so Artsakh was profiled.

      - The fighting spirit of the Armenians was to hell and above, - they didn't have the right weapons.

      But the Donbass militia, the spirit turned out to be just right. That's why you caught seven cauldrons.
      Shroud Ukraine!

      - During the time of independence, the Ukrainians sold and pissed away all their weapons systems, they just had nothing to fight with ...

      And the Donbass militia had some kind of super-modern weapon that surpassed that of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? the morale was higher, just compare the number of personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the DPR / LPR
  16. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 17 March 2021 12: 00
    -3
    Quote: Mish
    Quote: Michael1950
    Quote: Ulysses
    I don’t remember that Russia was conducting military operations in Karabakh.

    - Russian weapons fought there in full.

    Even the Armenian army did not fight there

    - What does the army have to do with it ?! Watch the video: Armenians were shot from the air like in a shooting range, HUNDREDS OF TIMES in a row.
  17. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 17 March 2021 12: 01
    -3
    Quote: layman
    Quote: Michael1950
    I'll tell you a terrible, terrible secret: no one has ever seriously attacked the Khmeimim airbase ...

    A little bit missing before its logical conclusion: "did not attack seriously... I swear by my mother. I personally made these drones on my knee and launched them myself. Ti mne varish? "

    - Chiba - I believe! laughing lol
  18. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 17 March 2021 12: 19
    -2
    Quote: Ulysses
    - Why use air defense systems that "don't make the weather"? There are several damaged "Thors" ... They do not make the weather?

    Naturally they don't.
    Are you an air defense specialist for Karabakh ??

    Then enlighten us how it was built. repeat
    Do not be shy.

    - It sucks it was built. UAV "Bayraktar" has a very small EPR, therefore, to see it from afar, you need a very powerful radar... For example, this:
    https://www.iai.co.il/p/elm-2084-mmr
    Features:
    - 3D Multi-Beam Mode with Electronically Controlled Active Array (AESA)
    - Dual modes of operation, WLR and air defense
    - Scalable to multiple sizes / configurations
    - High mobility and fast deployment
    - Transportable by air (on the C-130)
    - Remote control
    - Integrated network operations
    - Extended capabilities of noise immunity
    - Extended signal processing of emitters
    - Smooth price reduction and very high availability

    - Detection range up to 256 nautical miles - 474 km for air targets or up to 100 km for weapons location purposes.
    - Ability to escort up to Xnumx goals for air targets or 200 targets / min for the purpose of locating weapons.
    .............................
    All Israeli short- and medium-range air defense systems use this radar. It would allow seeing "Bayraktars" for 120-150 km... And if you don't have a normal radar station, what the hell will you see until you get hit in the head with a bomb ... Even with your highest morale.
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 17 March 2021 20: 17
      +1
      It sucks it was built. UAV "Bayraktar" has a very small EPR, so to see it from afar, you need a very powerful radar

      You might think that the EPR of those drones that attack Khmeimim is more than the EPR of Bayraktar, it is even likely less, nevertheless, they are planted and shot down
    2. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 17 March 2021 23: 34
      +3
      Well, what are you talking about ?! The basis of Armenia's air defense was made up of the antediluvian Osa air defense systems, which Armenia bought used from the Arabs. Not only is the equipment antediluvian and physically worn out, so the half-witted Westerner whom the Armenians elected to the presidency fired all the officers who studied in the Russian Federation, appointing to replace the generals and colonels of yesterday's captains and years, all of whose education, lousy military courses in the United States. These kapitoshkins gave orders. The captain is a company commander and not every captain will be able to command more than a company, even a battalion, and if the captain is entrusted with a division, or an army, as the Armenians did, then complete loss of command and control is guaranteed. This is what happened. The air defense system needs trained personnel, for commanding the troops, personnel are needed, and the fool whom the Armenians elected president stupidly beheaded the Armenian army, destroying its officer corps, to please his western masters
  19. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 18 March 2021 16: 44
    -2
    Quote: Kofesan
    Quote: Michael1950
    - The experience of the war in Karabakh has shown that Russia really does not have light, mobile, powerful radars capable of detecting Bayraktars in advance and, ...

    Strictly speaking, it was not the Bayraktars who made the war in Karabakh. Almost all video documents from there are evidence of this. Already over a hundred, probably, exceeded the number of publications on this topic. The Turks and their students used a bunch of inconspicuous and small-sized reconnaissance drones and beam-guided (according to the Krasnopol principle) jet missiles fired from stationary installations .... And the myth about Bayraktars is a Turkish simple "trick" for the sake of money

    - As soon as the Russian jingoistic patriots do not try to get out! Is this fantasy?

  20. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 18 March 2021 16: 48
    -2
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    It sucks it was built. UAV "Bayraktar" has a very small EPR, so to see it from afar, you need a very powerful radar

    You might think that the EPR of those drones that attack Khmeimim is more than the EPR of Bayraktar, it is even likely less, nevertheless, they are planted and shot down

    “They don’t drop bombs from a range of 8-14 km. This "flying model" with a strapped piece of explosives must penetrate into the airbase and hit the target like a kamikaze. And when they come close to the cannons of the "Pantsir", he begins to mow them from a distance of several hundred meters ...
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 18 March 2021 22: 41
      +2
      Now the Pantsir-SM has already been developed - a modification in which, due to the use of a newly developed multifunctional guidance station (radar with AFAR), the target destruction range has been increased to 40 km, the detection range is 75 km. In Idlib, 20 Bayraktars (the Turks recognized 12) were shot down not even by "Armor", but by "Buks", the latest modification of the "Buk M3" has an RPN in its composition, which makes it possible to detect a cruise missile at an altitude of 10 m and a distance of 40 km. The complex is capable of hitting air targets flying at speeds of up to 3 km / s at ranges from 2,5 to 70 km and altitudes from 5 m to 35 km. Well, where is the "Bayraktar" with its radius of destruction of 8 km?
  21. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 18 March 2021 16: 49
    -1
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Quote: Michael1950
    Quote: The Fourth Horseman
    It is not the weapon that fights, but the spirit!

    - Today the spirit without weapons is nothing, zero.

    Well, the Armenians did not have a fighting spirit, so Artsakh was profiled.

    - The fighting spirit of the Armenians was to hell and above, - they didn't have the right weapons.

    But the Donbass militia, the spirit turned out to be just right. That's why you caught seven cauldrons.
    Shroud Ukraine!

    - During the time of independence, the Ukrainians sold and pissed away all their weapons systems, they just had nothing to fight with ...

    And the Donbass militia had some kind of super-modern weapon that surpassed that of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? the morale was higher, just compare the number of personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the DPR / LPR

    - Here is this fable about the fact that the army of the DPR-LPR fought "only by the fact that they were squeezed out" - tell the kids in the kindergarten, in the middle group. They won't believe in the elder one.
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 18 March 2021 22: 58
      0
      These are not fables, but a harsh reality, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the republics had absolutely identical weapons in terms of capabilities, and no one had any advantages
  22. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 18 March 2021 16: 55
    -2
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Our "leaky Dome" is like "bull against sheep" compared to Russian air defense systems. Yes, sometimes she misses something, nothing in the world is perfect. But in comparison with Russian air defense systems - like a product from Alpha Centauri or Tau Kita ... laughing lol

    Nonsense, Russian air defense / missile defense is one of the best in the world, if not the best, even the hegemon recognizes this, can you give an example of where it would have been broken through?

    - In fact, Russian air defense is extremely weak against an enemy like the Americans. Her main weakness: monstrously low noise immunity of all radio equipment, primarily ground-based radars and airborne radars. And in a serious military conflict, it will immediately come out, "like an awl out of a sack" ....
    And also its Russian electronic warfare equipment, with their gigantic size and weight of tens of tons - they are not even close to performing the functions for which, it would seem, they are intended.
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 18 March 2021 23: 04
      0
      You still need to be able to hammer our air defense with interference, "fly in / swim / approach" to the desired distance and not get under the interference yourself, that's why it is the A2 / AD zone
  23. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 18 March 2021 23: 42
    -1
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Now the Pantsir-SM has already been developed - a modification in which, due to the use of a newly developed multifunctional guidance station (radar with AFAR), the target destruction range has been increased to 40 km, the detection range is 75 km. In Idlib, 20 Bayraktars (the Turks recognized 12) were shot down not even by "Armor", but by "Buks", the latest modification of the "Buk M3" has an RPN in its composition, which makes it possible to detect a cruise missile at an altitude of 10 m and a distance of 40 km. The complex is capable of hitting air targets flying at speeds of up to 3 km / s at ranges from 2,5 to 70 km and altitudes from 5 m to 35 km. Well, where is the "Bayraktar" with its radius of destruction of 8 km?

    - It is enough to work on enhancing the stealth of "Bayraktar" and he will soak "Armor", "Buki" and "Torah" "in the tail and in the mane" ... Cover with radio-absorbing materials, at least paint with the same "iron ball" ...
    I am convinced that the Turks are not resting on their laurels, but they are working on this right now. If I were in their place, that's exactly what I would do, roll up my sleeves ... lol
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 19 March 2021 00: 05
      0
      Well, no matter how hard you try, there will be no colossus with a length of 7 meters and a wingspan of 12 meters with suspended missiles, the size of a mosquito, so this is all nonsense
  24. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 18 March 2021 23: 44
    -1
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    These are not fables, but a harsh reality, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the republics had absolutely identical weapons in terms of capabilities, and no one had any advantages

    - Will you begin to assure that Russia did not supply arms and ammunition to the DPR-LPR fighters in unlimited quantities? Tanks, guns, shells, mines, cartridges ?!
    This is generally a frivolous conversation ... Not an adult. The propagandist should not stray too far from reality ...
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 18 March 2021 23: 56
      +2
      There is not a single proof, all equipment has a special number, Ukraine has not demonstrated a single tank, cannon, etc. with Russian numbers, if Russia supplied such quantities of equipment, satellite images would have been demonstrated long ago, after Izvarino, Ilovaisk, Debaltsevo, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were thrown generally EVERYTHING, just to be saved
  25. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 18 March 2021 23: 46
    0
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    You still need to be able to hammer our air defense with interference, "fly in / swim / approach" to the desired distance and not get under the interference yourself, that's why it is the A2 / AD zone

    - You are terribly far from understanding the role and function of electronic warfare equipment in a modern theater of operations.
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 18 March 2021 23: 58
      0
      Everything must be considered in a complex, one electronic warfare cannot be won
  26. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 18 March 2021 23: 51
    -1
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Quote: Michael1950
    - I'll tell you a terrible, terrible secret: Khmeimim airbase has never been seriously attacked... Neither Israel, nor the Turks, nor the Americans. Insurgents launched some strange flying models around Khmeimim, my children in the aircraft modeling circle made them better! ..

    Likewise, no one has ever seriously attacked Israel, neither Russia nor even Iran, it is simply stupid to consider downed antediluvian missiles from Gaza a great achievement.

    - Well, how to say! During the Second Lebanon (2006), Hezbollah fired up to 200 or more rockets per day in Haifa - 33 days. And then there was still no "Iron Dome" and there was simply nothing to bring them down!
  27. Archie Offline Archie
    Archie (Arthur) 19 March 2021 12: 33
    0
    Yes, start at last and do Russia a favor. We are all so sick of the existence of Nazi Ukraine here. It's time to return the old woman from the dead end to her true path. And the Natsiks ... two or three times and pli. And without any amen.
  28. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 19 March 2021 12: 36
    0
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Well, no matter how hard you try, there will be no colossus with a length of 7 meters and a wingspan of 12 meters with suspended missiles, the size of a mosquito, so this is all nonsense

    You, comrade, absolutely do not understand what you are talking about. If the UAV skin is made of carbon fiber (and it is precisely from it), and in addition to cover it on top with RPM (radio-absorbing materials), the EPR of the UAV will be very significantly reduced. There will, of course, be EPR peaks / bursts on the normals to the leading edges of the wing - but these are very sharp local peaks. From all other directions, if the glider is well-licked, the RCS will be extremely small. Everyone is working on it today - who does not ...
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 19 March 2021 18: 22
      +2
      You, comrade, absolutely do not understand what you are talking about

      You are terribly far from understanding the role and function of funds
      Electronic warfare in a modern theater of operations.

      Well, tell us how the modern theater of operations looks from your sofa, so far, apart from the transcendental pathos, nothing comes from you

      ... It is enough to work on increasing the stealth of "Bayraktar" and he will soak "Armor", "Buki" and "Torah" "in the tail and mane" ... Cover with radio-absorbing materials, at least paint with the same "iron ball" ...

      As they got lost, they will get lost, even if they are painted

      If the UAV skin is made of carbon fiber (and it is precisely from it), and in addition to cover it on top with RPM (radio-absorbing materials), the EPR of the UAV will be very significantly reduced. There will, of course, be EPR peaks / bursts on the normals to the leading edges of the wing - but these are very sharp local peaks. From all other directions, if the glider is well-licked, the RCS will be extremely small. Everyone is working on it today - who does not ...

      RPM and RPP do not provide absorption of radiation of any frequency, on the contrary, a material of a certain composition is characterized by better absorption capacity at certain frequencies. There is no universal absorbent material adapted to absorb radar radiation over the entire frequency range. You are mistaken if you think that as a result of using the RPM, the object becomes invisible to locators. In fact, the use of radio-absorbing materials can only significantly reduce the effective scattering surface of the object in a specific frequency range of the radar, which, however, does not ensure the complete "invisibility" of the object at other radiation frequencies.
  29. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 19 March 2021 12: 37
    0
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Everything must be considered in a complex, one electronic warfare cannot be won

    - Of course no. But electronic warfare (good, not Russian) is a very important factor.
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 19 March 2021 18: 55
      +1
      You are Israelites, do not feed you bread, let everything "Russian" be spoiled, this is also a very important factor
  30. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 19 March 2021 12: 40
    +1
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    There is not a single proof, all equipment has a special number, Ukraine has not demonstrated a single tank, cannon, etc. with Russian numbers, if Russia supplied such quantities of equipment, satellite images would have been demonstrated long ago, after Izvarino, Ilovaisk, Debaltsevo, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were thrown generally EVERYTHING, just to be saved

    - Trophies are sacred! Alas, there was no way to do with trophies alone, and whoever claims this to you - he is brazenly and stupidly lying. The supply of weapons and military equipment (and troops!) To the DPR-LPR has been, is and will be - until the Serene Highness gives the go-ahead and signs some real co-worker with the lads ...
    I'm not even talking about information support - instrumental, undercover ... laughing lol
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 19 March 2021 18: 50
      +1
      All your arguments, as well as dill from the category "I think so"

      Supply of weapons and military equipment (and troops!)

      The OSCE mission is working in the conflict zone, for 7 years they have not found Russian troops, but apparently they need to be advised what to look for them in your wet fantasies yes
  31. nov_tech.vrn Offline nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn (Michael) 19 March 2021 18: 18
    0
    From time to time one gets the impression that the same people speak for the Armenians, Azeris and Russians, and for the Ukrainians too.
  32. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 19 March 2021 19: 45
    -2
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    You, comrade, absolutely do not understand what you are talking about

    You are terribly far from understanding the role and function of funds
    Electronic warfare in a modern theater of operations.

    Well, tell us how the modern theater of operations looks from your sofa, so far, apart from the transcendental pathos, nothing comes from you

    - In a few words, or in three? wink

    RPM and RPP do not provide absorption of radiation of any frequency, on the contrary, a material of a certain composition is characterized by better absorption capacity at certain frequencies. There is no universal absorbent material adapted to absorb radar radiation over the entire frequency range.

    - Someone said something else ?!

    You are mistaken if you think that as a result of using the RPM, the object becomes invisible to locators.

    - Why are you sculpting to me what I never said?

    In fact, the use of radio-absorbing materials can only significantly reduce the effective scattering surface of an object in a specific radar frequency range.

    - Frequencies of "transparency windows", on which the vast majority of radars operate, have been well known for a long time. Accordingly, RPMs are selected for them.

    ... which, however, does not provide complete "invisibility" of the object at other radiation frequencies

    - Why endlessly repeat this nonsense about "complete invisibility"? You repeat endlessly what I never claimed... And once again: the typical frequency ranges of the radar are known. Practically nothing new has been invented here. A well-made stealth aircraft is extremely unobtrusive in the centimeter and decimeter range, and its visibility is significantly reduced in the meter range, on which the Russian "Sky" radars (~ 1.7 meters), the most powerful of the mobile ones, operate.
  33. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 19 March 2021 19: 49
    -2
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    You are Israelites, don't feed you bread, let everything "Russian" be crumpled, this is also a very important factor

    - I just know very well the price of Russian radar / airborne radar and electronic warfare equipment - I taught them once. And I know their noise immunity - alas and oh, it is extremely low and does not meet modern requirements, and does not meet modern requirements. Therefore, in the conditions of modern warfare, it will be oh-oh-oh. Does Shoigu and Gerasimov know this? I doubt it ... Subordinates lie, as always ... negative
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 19 March 2021 21: 33
      +1
      What year did you teach? I suspect that for a long time and that these complexes are already in the museum lol
  34. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 19 March 2021 19: 54
    -1
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Supply of weapons and military equipment (and troops!)

    The OSCE mission is working in the conflict zone, for 7 years they have not found Russian troops, but apparently they need to be prompted what to look for them in your wet fantasies yes

    - Is it true? And these giant trucks, which were unloaded there at the height of the conflict, they probably only brought buckwheat and mineral water there ?! laughing lol Where does such infantilism come from in an adult man? It's not even funny almost ... belay
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 19 March 2021 21: 17
      +2
      What the fuck is infantilism ?! These trucks were inspected, among other things, by the UKRAINIAN border guards, along with the Russian ones, on the Russian border! You are just repeating what Ukrainian schizophrenic propagandists said, medicine is really powerless here request
    2. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 19 March 2021 22: 56
      +1
      Trophies are sacred! Alas, there was no way to do with trophies alone, and whoever claims this to you - he is brazenly and stupidly lying.

      Not only trophies, the militia received a lot of weapons after the assaults and seizures of military units in the territory of Donbass
  35. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 March 2021 01: 17
    -1
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    What the fuck is infantilism ?! These trucks were inspected, among other things, by the UKRAINIAN border guards, along with the Russian ones, on the Russian border! You are just repeating what Ukrainian schizophrenic propagandists said, medicine is really powerless here request

    - Now, of course, there are UKRAINIAN border guards on the border of Russia and the DPR with the LPR ?! And that's all, and everyone is hounded ??
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 20 March 2021 01: 39
      0
      Now I don’t know, but when the trucks were moving, there was a lot of howling, and Ukrainian border guards were allowed to the Russian checkpoints to inspect them. Here you can read how the DPR and DPR were armed in the course of action:
      https://ukraina.ru/opinions/20140821/1010239611.html
  36. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 March 2021 01: 21
    -1
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    What year did you teach? I suspect that for a long time and that these complexes are already in the museum lol

    - From 1988 to June 1995. But since then I have not sat in the cellar, isolated from the whole world and from all the novelties in this world ... laughing lol
  37. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 March 2021 02: 11
    0
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Now I don’t know, but when the trucks were moving, there was a lot of howling, and Ukrainian border guards were allowed to the Russian checkpoints to inspect them. Here you can read how the DPR and DPR were armed in the course of action:
    https://ukraina.ru/opinions/20140821/1010239611.html

    - Well, just childish naivety! Or is it hypocrisy?
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 20 March 2021 02: 59
      0
      Damn, all this was shown and told on TV on all channels, from the very beginning of the conflict, 24 hours a day, naturally in Israel or the United States, where the "Western point of view" prevails, they have never talked about this and will not tell or show, and Ukraine itself is not really interested in anyone there, but the main thing is to shout louder "Russia is to blame" and "Putin withdrew troops", this is the very thing that there is real hypocrisy
  38. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 March 2021 10: 22
    0
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Damn, all this was shown and told on TV on all channels, from the very beginning of the conflict, 24 hours a day

    - You really are like a child: on official Russian channels what else will be shown to you, besides what coincides with what the Kremlin claims ?!
    ,
    Naturally, in Israel or the United States, where the "Western point of view" prevails, they have never talked about this and will not tell or show, and Ukraine itself is not really interested in anyone there, but the main thing is to shout louder "Russia is to blame" and "Putin is the one to withdraw troops", here this is the very thing that is true hypocrisy

    - For example, I am sorry that Putin did not take Novorossiya! laughing lol Scared !? what
    For me, long-term trampling in Donbass is disappointing - it is necessary "either there, or here." But it is precisely this situation that is beneficial to Putin - with the smoldering hotbed of conflict on the territory of Ukraine, they will not be admitted to any NATU.
    But just do not smack the nonsense that the DPR and LPR fought without the support of Russia - this is a fairy tale for children, and for children with mental retardation. fool Don't tell it to anyone ...
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 20 March 2021 21: 17
      +2
      You really are like a child: what else will be shown to you through the official Russian channels, besides what coincides with what the Kremlin claims ?!

      That is, the Kremlin is lying and only what they say in the State Department is true? And why can't my point of view coincide with the official Russian one? Let me figure it out somehow myself. winked

      For example, I am sorry that Putin did not take Novorossiya! laughing lol Scared !? what
      For me, long-term trampling in Donbass is disappointing - it is necessary "either there, or here."

      This is exactly what evidences that there is no full-fledged and official support of Donbass by Russia! At least for now ... There is some kind of economic support, and there is some kind of insignificant support by volunteers

      But it is precisely this situation that is beneficial to Putin - with the smoldering hotbed of conflict on the territory of Ukraine, they will not be admitted to any NATU.

      Nonsense, this conflict is not beneficial to either Russia or the EU, trade between which before the conflict was under 1.5 trillion. dollars

      But just do not smack the nonsense that the DPR and LPR fought without the support of Russia - this is a fairy tale for children, and for children with mental retardation. fool Don't tell it to anyone ...

      Well, it will be objective, provide data to support your point of view, except for the ridiculous assertion that guns and tanks were transported in trucks with humanitarian aid to Donbass?
  39. Victor_5 Offline Victor_5
    Victor_5 (Victor Chernyshko) 21 March 2021 21: 13
    +1
    What kind of "Opolchentsev", the author, why are you lying? The militias ambushed the convoys of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which were carrying ammunition and l. from. That is, the hohlovermacht could not even reach the trenches, it was destroyed promptly, like everything that could shoot at civilians. Now, instead of the militia, there is the People's Militia, the main goal of which is to comply with the "Minsk Agreements", according to which the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in complete safety, and can safely carry trains of mines and shells, and then shoot without fear at sleeping children and old people.
  40. Alov Offline Alov
    Alov (Al) 22 March 2021 08: 16
    +1
    And the fact that in Libya with the help of the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system they shot down 47 Bayraktar and in Syria only one complex successfully resisted the attack of 20 drones does not bother them? However, maybe "Soha Military" came up with all this ... Moreover, it added that if it were not the Syrians, it would have been possible to destroy the wonderful "Standard Bearers" even before the attack.
  41. Anatoly K. Offline Anatoly K.
    Anatoly K. (Anatoly Kotlyarov) April 6 2021 18: 00
    0
    50.450864, ​​30.515971 - can I have 5-6 Calibers and 1 Dagger at this address?