While the West is thinking about itself, Russians, Chinese and Indians are instilling the whole world


Vaccination against COVID-19 is spreading around the world, gaining momentum. But there is little merit in the actions of the West. While he suffers from "vaccine nationalism" and thinks only of himself, Russians, Chinese and Indians are gradually inoculating the planet, writes the Swiss German-language newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung.


It is Russia, China and India that are now saving humanity from a raging dangerous infection. At the same time, Moscow and Beijing are using "vaccine diplomacy" to improve their reputation, raise their authority and establish diversified ties with other countries. In turn, New Delhi is trying to consolidate its status as a regional power.

For example, Mexico was counting on large shipments of Pfizer / BioNTech vaccine doses, but the American manufacturer was having difficulties. However, the Mexicans were not taken aback and quickly found a replacement. Beijing immediately delivered 2 million doses of CanSino, three days later, 870 doses of AstraZeneca arrived from New Delhi, and Moscow sent 200 doses of Sputnik V. Mexico's gratitude knew no bounds.

Algeria and Serbia immediately repeated the actions of Mexico and stocked vaccines from the same suppliers. In total, nearly 40 countries bought vaccines from China, more than 35 from India and at least 14 from Russia. On March 5, 2021, Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz announced that Vienna was negotiating the supply of vaccines from Russia and China.

At the same time, the rich countries of the EU and the United States took care only of themselves, and ordered doses with a margin, i.e. much more than they need. Italy has blocked the supply of AstraZeneca vaccine to Australia. After that, WHO openly accused Italians of "rampant vaccine nationalism."

China exports several vaccines from pharmaceutical companies Sinopharm, Sinovac and CanSino.

Russia has entered into agreements for the production of vaccines in Brazil, South Korea, India, China, Turkey, Kazakhstan and Serbia so that no one can accuse Moscow of neglecting its population. In March 2021, a total of 30 million doses of Sputnik V are to be produced.

As for India, it already exports the vaccine to Bangladesh, Burma (Myanmar), Nepal. Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and Mongolia, Swiss media summed up.
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  1. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 7 March 2021 17: 55
    -4
    So where is the data confirming everything that is said here?
    And one should not cling to India and China, their vaccine supplies are orders of magnitude higher than from Russia.
    1. chemyurij Online chemyurij
      chemyurij (chemyurij) 7 March 2021 18: 22
      +2
      Quote: Vladest
      So where is the data confirming everything that is said here?

      Don't believe me? Do not agree? Refute, give arguments, facts. And we don't cling to anyone, if we took the trouble to read the article, we would see what it writes

      Swiss German-language newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung

      and she also writes that -

      Vaccination against COVID-19 is spreading around the world, gaining momentum. But there is little merit in the actions of the West. While he suffers from "vaccine nationalism" and thinks only of himself, Russians, Chinese and Indians are gradually inoculating the planet
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 7 March 2021 19: 22
        -4
        The number of doses of the vaccine delivered as a GIFT or the funds allocated for the purchase of the vaccine as gum. help for other countries is the main criterion. And selling a vaccine is not kindness, but business.
    2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 7 March 2021 18: 51
      +4
      the main thing is that they are, in contrast to supplies from the same us. spring will come, you will also take root ... plantain.
    3. oderih Offline oderih
      oderih (Alex) 7 March 2021 19: 22
      +5
      Estonia is the leader in the spread of covidzaraza.
    4. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 19: 27
      +6
      So where is the data confirming everything that is said here?

      Here, read it yourself, if of course you can:

      https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.nzz.ch/amp/international/corona-impfung-china-russland-und-indien-beliefern-die-welt-ld.1604373
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 7 March 2021 19: 37
        -4
        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.nzz.ch/amp/international/corona-impfung-china-russland-und-indien-beliefern-die-welt-ld.1604373

        The browser does not open this link.
        1. oderih Offline oderih
          oderih (Alex) 7 March 2021 19: 42
          +5
          Your browser is censored by the authorities. Glory to the heroes of Estonia!
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 7 March 2021 19: 48
            -4
            Quote: oderih
            Your browser is censored by the authorities. Glory to the heroes of Estonia!

            We don't have that. You don't know, don't talk. We even have a rutraker available, unlike you.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 8 March 2021 15: 55
              +1
              We don't have that. You don't know, don't talk. We even have a rutraker available, unlike you.

              Do you not protect intellectual property as in civilized countries? winked Baltic Somalia? laughing Tartu smile
        2. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 19: 46
          +7
          Well .. you can't cope with your browser, but here you are building an intellectual.)

          Try this one:

          https://www.nzz.ch/amp/international/corona-impfung-china-russland-und-indien-beliefern-die-welt-ld.1604373
      2. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 7 March 2021 19: 40
        -4
        The European Union has so far allocated more than € 38 billion in aid to EU partner countries. These funds are intended primarily to address urgent health needs of countries.

        https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/5a0794ad
        How many doses can you buy for EUR 38?
        1. oderih Offline oderih
          oderih (Alex) 7 March 2021 19: 52
          +4
          Don't be distracted. Have you filed a complaint with the European Court of Justice for the browser?
        2. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 19: 56
          +5
          How many doses can you buy for EUR 38?

          And what do you mean at all?)

          Do you at least understand that it is not enough to buy "doses"? We also need to create an infrastructure for their delivery, storage, and vaccination itself. Well, hire, train, and pay staff for these events.
          And in the case of the expensive, and "capricious", in all respects, vaccine from Pfizer / BionTech, this amount will melt like a spring snow.

          Not only does the vaccine itself cost about 20 € / dose, but it also needs to be "cherished" at a temperature of -70 ° C!

          Do you even think when you write something?)
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 20: 32
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            And in the case of the expensive, and "capricious", in all respects, vaccine from Pfizer / BionTech, this amount will melt like a spring snow.

            Well, firstly, buying a refrigerator that maintains a temperature of -70 degrees is not so difficult and expensive. Obviously not 38 billion Euros.

            Secondly, even a refrigerator is not required - the vaccine is supplied in special containers with dry ice:

            The vaccine must be stored frozen at -70 to -85 ° C. For these purposes, Pfizer has specially designed temperature controlled containers (dry ice) that can maintain the necessary conditions for up to 10 days in a closed form, follows from the presentation.

            Once opened, the container can be used as a temporary horseradish storage site at a vaccination center for up to 30 days, with re-freezing every five days, Pfizer explained to VF. Also, after storage (up to 30 days) in a Pfizer insulated container, vaccination centers can transfer the vials to storage conditions at 2-8 ° C for another 5 days, in total, the shelf life is up to 35 days. The vials cannot be re-frozen, the company noted.

            In general, no direct exorbitant spending is needed.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 20: 55
              +5
              Well, firstly, buying a refrigerator that maintains a temperature of -70 degrees is not so difficult and expensive. Obviously not 38 billion Euros.
              Secondly, even a refrigerator is not required - the vaccine is supplied in special containers with dry ice:

              Eck, everything is simple for you.)

              No really. For vaccination with this vaccine, specially equipped centers are created, with specially selected and rented (for huge money) premises, with special equipment, with specially trained (not free) and working there (not very free!) Personnel, (including including special security!) with special material (for example, special syringes, for receiving the 6th dose from a 5-dose vial), With complex logistics (Just in Time), with specially organized parking lots, etc., etc.
              I have seen such centers with my own eyes. It's not cheap.

              Especially the word "special" is sooo expensive.

              And now, since we are talking about Europe, then divide these "billions" by the millions of the EU population, taking into account that 2 oases are being vaccinated, and see what you have there remains below the line.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 22: 02
                -6
                No really. For vaccination with this vaccine, specially equipped centers are created, with specially selected and rented (for huge money) premises, with special equipment, with specially trained (not free) and working there (not very free!) Personnel, (including including special security!) with special material (for example, special syringes, for receiving the 6th dose from a 5-dose vial), With complex logistics (Just in Time), with specially organized parking lots, etc., etc.
                I have seen such centers with my own eyes. It's not cheap.

                First, I would like, of course, a photo of such "super-complex centers". You see, I'm not used to taking a word. With all due respect.

                Second, how does the training of medical personnel using the Pfizer vaccine differ from the training of personnel using the Sputnik vaccine?

                Thirdly, do not Russian vaccination centers need special protection?

                I compare it with the Russian experience in order to understand why the Pfizer vaccine is so capricious, except for the temperature regime.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 7 March 2021 22: 12
                  +6
                  Cyril, you don't have to compare, Pfizer Inc. they are scammers. laughing
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 22: 19
                    -9
                    Isophat, go your own way, since nothing smart comes into your head. You can talk to Ulysses, or now with oderih. I am sure they will like your "witty" jokes.
                    1. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 7 March 2021 22: 32
                      +3
                      Mass media write about it.

                      I am currently looking for a short link, long links are causing the site to malfunction. Wait. How are you friends with English, if suddenly I don’t find it in Russian?
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 22: 41
                        -5
                        There is always a Google translator.

                        Search.
                      2. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 7 March 2021 22: 44
                        +2


                        This is still a screen, the whole article is understandably not to be charged to me. Wait, I'm looking for an analogue in Russian. There must be something. The company was taken over back in 2009, and the fines were impressive. laughing
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 22: 55
                        -3
                        While you tormented and searched for this article in English. I found it in Russian a long time ago

                        And there is also such an article:

                        https://www.forbes.ru/sobytiya/kompanii/85179-kak-kompaniya-pfizer-korrumpirovala-rossiiskih-chinovnikov

                        It says Pfizer Russia bribed Russian health officials. And, most importantly, Russian officials took these bribes.

                        It turns out that the Ministry of Health is no less scammers than Pfizer, but for some reason this does not scare you :)

                        All the best, Isophat.
                      4. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 7 March 2021 23: 30
                        +3
                        Cyril... Share the link, since you found it, something confuses you, am I right? wink
                      5. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 23: 37
                        -3
                        Share link - no problem:

                        https://www.bbc.com/russian/business/2009/09/090902_pfizer_settlement

                        Something confuses you, am I right?

                        Nope, what should confuse me here?
                      6. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 7 March 2021 23: 56
                        +3
                        Cyril, Pfizer is a fraudulent company, there is nowhere to put a sample.
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer#Скандалы,_нарушения_и_суды
                        This is Wikipedia, not exactly what I was looking for, read it. yes
                      7. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 8 March 2021 00: 19
                        -5
                        Pfizer is a fraudulent company, there is nowhere to put a sample.

                        Pfff, the Russian Ministry of Health, which includes the developer of Sputnik-5, has also been caught more than once, so what?
                      8. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 8 March 2021 00: 30
                        +2
                        Cyrilwhen do you have a transplant? laughing
                      9. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 8 March 2021 00: 44
                        -4
                        when do you have a transplant?

                        With a brain transplant, it's not for me, it's for a professional neurosurgeon. However, I don't think he will help you.
                      10. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 8 March 2021 00: 56
                        +5
                        Cyril... My dear, I turned to you not as a potential donor, I do not need him. I know about your trouble and I am worried about you! Or have you been slandered?
                      11. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 8 March 2021 01: 07
                        -5
                        My dear, I turned to you not as a potential donor, I do not need him.

                        Yes, you are right, the doctor will not help you anymore.

                        I know about your trouble and I am worried about you!

                        It's too much. Don't waste the remains of your neurons on empty experiences.
                      12. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 8 March 2021 01: 32
                        +4
                        Cyril... You are holding on well, good luck!
  • Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 22: 20
    +4
    First, I would like, of course, a photo of such "super-complex centers". You see, I'm not used to taking a word. With all due respect.

    yes, well, are you laughing? what pictures?)) I'm not a photographer.

    I have already described the complexity of such centers.
    Well, you can add that it should be a fairly spacious building (if you want to ensure mass scale), with a well-organized, controlled entrance on one side, and an exit on the other, with numerous separate rooms for:
    1) preliminary reception of people, for carrying out a bureaucratic procedure. (Identification, health status, clarification, painting, removing responsibility for possible "complications" (yes, yes .. this is capitalism .. how did you want?)
    2) Separate "booths" where the vaccination itself is given
    3) Post-vaccination observation rooms (for a possible allergic reaction, up to anaphylactic shock!)

    The procedure for such a vaccination lasts about one hour!
    In order to ensure the vaccination of, say, 300-500 people per day (8 hours), such a center should be designed for the simultaneous reception of several dozen people.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 22: 35
      -4
      Well, you can add that it should be a fairly spacious building (if you want to ensure mass scale), with a well-organized, controlled entrance on one side, and an exit on the other, with numerous separate rooms for:

      I'll tell you a secret - any clinic meets these requirements.

      I tried to look for pictures of the "super complex Pfizer vaccination center" - found nothing. Vaccination is done in clinics, like any other vaccine against any other disease.

      The procedure for such a vaccination lasts about one hour!

      Where did the information come from?
      1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 22: 44
        +3
        I'll tell you a secret - any clinic meets these requirements.

        The clinics have their own tasks. Or do you want the rest of the patients to wait?)

        For centers, gyms, schools (in quarantine), barracks and warehouses, airports are usually used and refurbished.

        I tried to look for pictures of the "super complex Pfizer vaccination center" - found nothing. Vaccination is done in clinics, like any other vaccine against any other disease.

        Come on))) there is enough video on YouTube.
        Well, for example:

        https://www.srf.ch/play/tv/schweiz-aktuell/video/corona-impfzentrum-in-basel-eroeffnet?urn=urn:srf:video:ab01d637-0d34-4c8b-aafc-015339318824
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 22: 51
          -3
          For centers, gyms, schools (in quarantine), barracks and warehouses, airports are usually used and refurbished.

          Well, in Russia, temporary centers opened in shopping centers, administrative offices, etc. are used for Sputnik vaccination.

          For example:

          https://www.rbc.ru/photoreport/21/01/2021/60081dff9a794795ad2984c1

          Even in the theater there is:

          https://www.dp.ru/a/2021/02/17/Centr_vakcinacii_ot_COVID

          And what is the difference then?
        2. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 22: 58
          +3
          Well, in Russia, temporary centers opened in shopping centers, administrative offices, etc. are used for Sputnik vaccination.

          Yes, of course. Who is arguing that?
        3. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 23: 04
          -3
          So, we agreed that both for mass vaccination with Pfather and for vaccination with Sputnik, separate vaccination centers are required. That is, there is no difference on this point, right? So.
        4. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 23: 16
          +3
          for mass vaccination with Pfather, and for vaccination with Sputnik, separate vaccination centers are required. That is, there is no difference on this point, right? So.

          No, not so.

          In the case of Sputnik, for mass vaccination, the centers are more effective, but they can also be done by individual medical professionals.
          In the case of Pfizer, only in the centers.
        5. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 23: 39
          -2
          In the case of Sputnik, for mass vaccination, the centers are more effective, but they can also be done by individual medical professionals.

          The confirmation?

          In the case of Pfizer, only in the centers.

          Pfizer is used not only in the centers. In clinics, nursing homes and other social institutions, too.
        6. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 23: 47
          -3
          In order not to be unfounded about who and how vaccinates in Russia, I will quote:

          Where is the vaccination done?

          It is carried out in medical organizations licensed to carry out medical activities for the work (service) "vaccination". According to Mikhail Murashko, today there are 2200 medical organizations in the country that are allowed to vaccinate. "Over the past week, an additional 870 such points were opened. Their number will increase in proportion to the increase in the volume of supplied vaccines," the minister said.

          The specific vaccination sites depend on the region of residence. For example, in Moscow, along with vaccination points based on city adult polyclinics, mobile vaccination teams are working in shopping centers and other public places (they receive applicants in turn from 10.00 to 21.00 Moscow time). And in the Amur region, in addition to the work of mobile vaccination teams in small settlements, the organization of transportation of citizens to such points is provided.

          Vaccination is carried out in the vaccination roomWhich must be equipped with anti-shock therapy devices in accordance with the Order of the Ministry of Health of Russia dated December 20, 2012 No. 1079n "On approval of the standard of emergency medical care for anaphylactic shock".

          http://www.garant.ru/article/1441512/#ixzz6oSeZeQmY
          As you can see, vaccination with "Sputnik-5", like any other Russian vaccine, cannot be carried out by anybody, anyhow where. Only in medical institutions.

          As in the United States, in remote regions, not the vaccine is delivered to people, but people to the vaccines.

          So there is no fundamental difference on this point.
  • Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 22: 26
    +4
    Second, how does the training of medical personnel using the Pfizer vaccine differ from the training of personnel using the Sputnik vaccine?

    Yes, and it is very different.
    Already starting from the fact that Sputnik can be installed by the efforts of an ordinary doctor - therapist, or a paramedic of a rural hospital.

    By the way, Astra-tseneka is also quite unpretentious, like Sputnik, but it has its own "cockroaches" (but we are not talking about it yet).

    Thirdly, do not Russian vaccination centers need special protection?

    Due to weak demand, it turns out not needed.)

    I compare it with the Russian experience in order to understand why the Pfizer vaccine is so capricious, except for the temperature regime.

    The temperature regime is not small.
    Plus, "bureaucracy". see above
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 22: 46
      -3
      Yes, and it is very different.
      Already starting from the fact that Sputnik can be installed by the efforts of an ordinary doctor - therapist, or a paramedic of a rural hospital.

      And who supplies the Pfizer vaccine? It is advisable to confirm this with links to some kind of manual or instruction.

      Due to weak demand, it turns out not needed.)

      A very "powerful" argument :)

      The temperature regime is not small.

      But not that much.

      Plus, "bureaucracy". see above

      This is true for any vaccine.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 22: 56
        +3
        And who supplies the Pfizer vaccine? It is advisable to confirm this with links to some kind of manual or instruction.

        It doesn't matter who puts, it is important who checks and advises you before the vaccine, and in the case of side effects - saves)) - this is a doctor.

        Due to weak demand, it turns out not needed.)
        A very "powerful" argument :)

        Want to catch?) Petty.

        The weak overall demand among Russians for vaccinations in Russia is no secret.
        If you wanted to draw your attention to Sputnik, then it has nothing to do with it.
        Russians have many reasons for unwillingness to get vaccinated.
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 23: 02
          -3
          It doesn't matter who puts, it is important who checks and advises you before the vaccine, and in the case of side effects - saves)) - this is a doctor.

          Are there no doctors and no consultations at Russian vaccination centers?

          Want to catch?) Petty.

          Well, forgive me, you yourself explained the absence of special protection in Russian vaccination centers by the lack of demand for the Sputnik vaccine among the population.

          Russians have many reasons for unwillingness to get vaccinated.

          For instance? High price? The vaccine is free. What other reasons could there be?
        2. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 23: 10
          +3
          Are there no doctors and no consultations at Russian vaccination centers?

          There is, of course, another question.
          "Sputnik" is less whimsical, therefore, in principle, it is not tied to specialized centers. If it is possible to do it centrally, do it. But it can be done in more simple ways.
          And BP is tied to such centers. This is the problem.

          Well, forgive me, you yourself explained the absence of special protection in Russian vaccination centers by the lack of demand for the Sputnik vaccine among the population.

          You twist. This makes you a nasty conversationalist.
          Confirm with the text where I referred exactly to the name of the vaccine?
          I spoke about the lack of demand for vaccinations in principle.
          No more, no less.

          I don’t want to answer you more on this topic.
        3. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 23: 35
          -3
          And BP is tied to such centers. This is the problem.

          Not true. In the USA, the Pfizer vaccine is delivered to clinics, and to specially created centers, and to various social institutions - nursing homes, etc. The only thing - yes - there is a problem of vaccination in remote areas. They prefer not to deliver the vaccine, but to deliver people to the nearest regional clinic or vaccination center. But there is no direct tie to the vaccination centers.

          You twist. This makes you a nasty conversationalist.
          Confirm with the text where I referred exactly to the name of the vaccine?

          I am not distorting. In Russia, only Sputnik, Epivakkorona and some kind of Chinese are available for vaccination, if my memory serves me right. The main and most widespread vaccine is Sputnik. Therefore, I drew attention to her. Simply because it is the most widespread, and not because it is Russian or something else.

          Why is there a low demand for vaccination in Russia in principle? It's free and, as you say, does not require any strict conditions for storage and use. It can be transported to any region where there is at least a simple outpatient medical institution.

          So what's the reason?
  • Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 9 March 2021 00: 09
    -3
    You are clearly exaggerating the difficulties of vaccinating with the Pfizer vaccine, speaking like an Israeli who has already received two injections of this drug. Injections are given at the regional branch of the health insurance fund, by ordinary nurses by appointment and almost without queuing, came, registered and immediately you are invited to the office. No specials. equipment, as well as specials. did not notice the guards. Everything looks completely ordinary, nothing out of the ordinary.
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 8 March 2021 15: 59
    +1
    Well, firstly, buying a refrigerator that maintains a temperature of -70 degrees is not so difficult and expensive. Obviously not 38 billion Euros.
    Secondly, even a refrigerator is not required - the vaccine is supplied in special containers with dry ice:

    smile winked laughing lol

    Estonia spoiled 20 doses of coronavirus vaccine by leaving it at room temperature

    https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/10401571
  • Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 8 March 2021 18: 48
    -2
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    We also need to create an infrastructure for their delivery, storage, and vaccination itself.

    This is just what Russia does not have. Only blah, blah and cover for China and India.
    China and India are on their own and Russia is also on its own.
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 19: 55
    -4
    It is not good to provide a link to a resource that requires registration to read the article.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 20: 00
      +3
      It is not good to provide a link to a resource that requires registration to read the article.

      What registration ???????
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 20: 04
        -2

        Here's a registration.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 20: 09
          +2
          Here's a registration.

          Well I do not know. It opens for me without any registration.

          I naturally have a registration with Google (Like any self-respecting “couch expert”), but I was guaranteed not to register with NZZ.)
          This newspaper is in absolutely open access. I read it very regularly, as the opinion of the Swiss is interesting to me.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 20: 11
            -3
            Well, okay, that's not the point. If you have ok, then ok, I have no complaints. But in general, this newspaper is not in the public domain - it is by subscription. I think it's a paid subscription.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 20: 16
              +2
              Well, okay, that's not the point. If you have ok, then ok, I have no complaints. But in general, this newspaper is not in the public domain - it is by subscription. I think it's a paid subscription.

              Undoubtedly, NZZ has the ability to "subscribe", like many other well-known publications. Well, to read certain popular bloggers, for example.
              But this does not mean that all articles are paid. This particular one, like many, many others, is in the public domain.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 20: 25
                0
                I'm sorry. Indeed, the site can be entered through a Google account, the article will be fully available.

                I withdraw all claims.
    2. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 7 March 2021 20: 06
      -4
      Quote: Cyril
      It is not good to provide a link to a resource that requires registration to read the article.

      The link is molded automatically. Likewise, RBC has it. I recommend. Where money lies a little.
      Although ".ru" for you should be a stamp "No mines checked!" )))
      The Russian Federation has NO money for real help.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 20: 09
        0
        Are you sure you addressed your comment to that person (that is, me)? Something I did not understand what you want to say.
        1. oderih Offline oderih
          oderih (Alex) 7 March 2021 20: 18
          +2
          Cheto does not understand a resident of the outskirts. We have no such thing. What nafig registration? Who has Avakov? You are making us laugh.
          1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 20: 19
            +3
            Are you sure you addressed your comment to that person (that is, me)? Something I did not understand what you want to say.

            The person just got confused (in his thoughts))).
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 8 March 2021 16: 07
      +1
      It is not good to provide a link to a resource that requires registration to read the article.

      Is linking to an article selling for $ 25 good? smile I remember not so long ago you pretended to be a computer genius and tried to read notations about computer literacy winked
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 8 March 2021 18: 48
        -2
        Is linking to an article selling for $ 25 good?

        Using the link that I gave you to the article, you can easily enter the site for free. How to do this - I showed you in the screenshots. But you have a problem with understanding this. This is age-related, it happens.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 8 March 2021 19: 50
          +1
          Using the link that I gave you to the article, you can easily enter the site for free. How to do this - I showed you in the screenshots. But you have a problem with understanding this. This is age-related, it happens.

          And you were given a link on how to do it for free and without any registration. I have to upset you, this is not age-related and will not go away over the years. It's forever. Live with it.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 9 March 2021 00: 10
            -4
            And you were given a link on how to do it for free and without any registration

            I showed in the screenshot what I got after clicking on this link. Have your eyes atrophied? It happens that it is age-related.
            As soon as I figured out the registration on the site using the link, I apologized to the author of the link. I can admit my mistakes.
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 8 March 2021 15: 49
    +1
    And one should not cling to India and China, their vaccine supplies are orders of magnitude higher than from Russia.

    Only it seems that not only everyone is at risk of injecting them laughing

  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 20: 18
    -1
    In general, any normal country first takes care of the health of its population. This is, in fact, the responsibility of the government of any country. And only then, if funds allow, can one show altruism and provide assistance to another country.

    Therefore, the logic of the authors of the Swiss article is incomprehensible. Are the Americans or the British obliged to make others happy first, and only then themselves?

    China's generosity is generally a purely propaganda thing. He has vaccinated an insignificant number of people relative to the entire population of the country, and he sends his vaccines to other countries. What for? What's the logic?

    Well, we also need to look at which countries and in what number of doses Western vaccines are provided - first of all, Pfizer, Modern and AstraZeneca.
    1. oderih Offline oderih
      oderih (Alex) 7 March 2021 20: 24
      +1
      Yes, it’s not forbidden for you to wait. We can only regret what YOU have missed. That's just the point.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 20: 27
        -5
        Dude, go to the forest if you really have nothing to say.

        1. oderih Offline oderih
          oderih (Alex) 7 March 2021 20: 31
          +3
          Explain. Censorship in the media is present only in one country. This is a country of world democracy. Is that so? You can refute. I will not be offended. Dare - once on YOU.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 20: 35
            -5
            Media censorship is present in only one country.

            What other censorship? What are you talking about? Do you have delirium?

            Censorship in the media is present only in one country - a country of world democracy. Is that so?

            There is censorship to one degree or another in any country. But in the United States, it is clearly less than in China or North Korea.
            1. oderih Offline oderih
              oderih (Alex) 7 March 2021 20: 37
              +4
              I propose that you sign a petition to grant freedom of speech to Trump. Are you against it?
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 21: 03
                -3
                So Trump has freedom of speech. Why sign a petition of some kind?
              2. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 7 March 2021 21: 15
                +2
                oderih... We will wait for the transplant, which you spoke about earlier, he still has nothing to lose. yes
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 21: 50
                  -3
                  It would be better if you learned some lessons.
            2. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 7 March 2021 20: 42
              +2
              Quote: oderih
              I propose that you sign a petition to grant freedom of speech to Trump. Are you against it?

              Cyril... Caught you, you have nothing to say. laughing
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 21: 18
                -3
                What have you caught? Nobody took away the freedom of speech from Trump. Blocked accounts of Trump on Instagram and Facebook were unblocked on January 16.
              2. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 8 March 2021 16: 12
                0
                Cyril. Caught you, you got nothing to say

                This is a prohibited move, hitting below the belt laughing The consequences are predictable, for two weeks I gave Cyril a link to information about how his like-minded people fly out of work, imagining that they can speak freely in the USA as well.
    2. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 20: 37
      +5
      And only then, if funds allow, can one show altruism and provide assistance to another country.

      Therefore, the logic of the authors of the Swiss article is incomprehensible.

      But no .. with logic everything is fine here. If we leave behind the scenes the motivation of China, and talk about Russia, everything is just logical.

      Russia has a problem - the mass production of its own vaccine within Russia itself. But this does not exclude the possibility of producing and selling in other countries. In addition, Russian companies also have their own production facilities abroad. It is quite possible that not everything that will be produced abroad will remain there. Most likely, some of them will be produced for their own consumption. This is a compromise, so to speak. What's bad about it? Several birds with one stone are killed at once.
      This is for oneself, and for export, and prestige, and in the end - the fight against the virus itself. What's the use of fighting in only one place? The virus needs to be defeated all over the world, in principle.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 21: 11
        -4
        In addition, Russian companies also have their own production facilities abroad. It is quite possible that not everything that will be produced abroad will remain there. Most likely, some of them will be produced for their own consumption. This is a compromise, so to speak. What's bad about it?

        If you leave part of the vaccines in the country where the production is located, this is normal.

        Here are just some countries Russia transfers the vaccine produced at its facilities in other countries (not the one to which it is transferred) or in Russia itself. For example, 2 million doses of Sputnik vaccine for Serbia will be produced in China, South Korea and India. But not in Serbia itself.

        What's the use of fighting in only one place? The virus needs to be defeated all over the world, in principle.

        First you need to win in your country. With all due respect to Serbia.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 21: 19
          +4
          2 million doses of Sputnik vaccine for Serbia will be produced in China, South Korea and India. But not in Serbia itself.

          Well, this apparently means that Serbia simply does not have the ability to produce itself. And China, Korea and India have these opportunities.

          First you need to win in your country. With all due respect to Serbia.

          No, that's a bad concept. The virus mutates. He needs to be defeated immediately and wherever possible, otherwise everyone will have to be vaccinated from each mutant separately.)
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 21: 27
            -3
            And China, Korea and India have these opportunities.

            Duc with this no one argues. Although I already wrote about China above - it would have to take care of its own population first. But why shouldn't these opportunities, which Russia has abroad, first be used to vaccinate Russia, and only then other countries?

            No, that's a bad concept. The virus mutates.

            You see ... the virus mutates regardless of national boundaries. The likelihood of its mutation will not change depending on the country in which people receive less vaccine.

            But, for me personally, the government of each country has a moral obligation to its own people, and not to a stranger.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 21: 41
              +4
              Duc with this no one argues. Although I already wrote about China above - it would have to take care of its own population first. But why shouldn't these opportunities, which Russia has abroad, first be used to vaccinate Russia, and only then other countries?

              Yes, I would not say that China is poorly vaccinated. In any case, according to official statistics, they, with their 52 million, are in second place after the United States.
              And in Russia, as we have already discussed here the problem of weak motivation of the Russian population. Otherwise, the statistics could be different.
              But everything seems to be improving in this regard.
              In any case, the rate of vaccination of Russians today is 282 thousand people. a day - not so bad. And they grow.

              You see ... the virus mutates regardless of national boundaries. The likelihood of its mutation will not change depending on the country in which people receive less vaccine.

              And how! The day when we hear about the "Ukrainian mutant" is not far off. The vaccination process is going on very slowly there.

              But, for me personally, the government of each country has a moral obligation to its own people, and not to a stranger.

              Your words, yes to Europeans in the ears!)
              The Germans would really be glad if they had enough vaccine, which they themselves created.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 21: 48
                -3
                Yes, I would not say that China is poorly vaccinated. In any case, according to official statistics, they, with their 52 million, are in second place after the United States.

                In absolute terms (the number of vaccinated people) - yes. Only China has a population of 1,7 billion people. So, in terms of a relative indicator, it does not even reach Russia.

                Your words, yes to Europeans in the ears!)
                The Germans would really be glad if they had enough vaccine, which they themselves created.

                Something I do not understand - then the Germans share their vaccine with other countries or not? If, as you say, they share it to their own detriment, then what kind of "vaccine nationalism of the West" are we talking about?
                1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 22: 00
                  +4
                  In absolute terms (the number of vaccinated people) - yes. Only China has a population of 1,7 billion people. So, in terms of a relative indicator, it does not even reach Russia.

                  Well, here it is worth recalling that just in China, the virus is well localized, and the epidemic is not on the same scale as in other countries, so they can afford to react less convulsively to the process.
                  They have the virus under complete control, which cannot be said about the same Europeans or Americans.

                  Something I do not understand - then the Germans share their vaccine with other countries or not? If, as you say, they share it to their own detriment, then what kind of "vaccine nationalism of the West" are we talking about?

                  Of course, the Germans share their vaccine (at what - to their detriment!) With other countries, but again - exclusively with countries - the so-called "collective west" (this is about "vaccine nationalism")
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 8 March 2021 01: 26
                    -4
                    Of course, the Germans share their vaccine (at what - to their detriment!) With other countries, but again - exclusively with countries - the so-called "collective west" (this is about "vaccine nationalism")

                    To begin with, Germany does not have "its own" vaccine. Yes, a German company participated in the development of the Pfizer vaccine, but the vaccine itself is produced in America at the Pfizer facilities.

                    Further. What does "European vaccine nationalism" mean? What should be "internationalism"? If, say, Germany supplies the vaccine to Mexico, but not, for example, to Serbia, will it be "Latin American nationalism"? And if to Uganda, but not to Mexico - is it "African nationalism"?

                    This is a purely propaganda cliché of some kind. Therefore, I say that each country must first take care of its own population, then only about the population of other countries. In the case of Germany, which has officially taken over the leadership of the European Union, it must somehow also take care of the less prosperous countries of the Union. And only then, on a voluntary basis, provide the vaccine to other countries. There is no nationalism in this approach - there is a rational use of a very limited, but very important resource.
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 8 March 2021 09: 05
                      +3
                      To begin with, Germany does not have "its own" vaccine.

                      Enough to talk rubbish here!
                      I told you - you have become an unpleasant interlocutor.

                      Here are 13 companies in Germany that produce the BionTech vaccine, and a couple of other vaccines to boot:

                      https://www.pharma-food.de/markt/standorte-corona-impfstoff-produktion-deutschland-338.html
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 8 March 2021 11: 46
    -1
    There are two immutable rules of rescue in extreme conditions.
    1. First, save yourself, then start helping others (remember the instructions on the plane - first put on a mask on yourself, then on people who cannot do it themselves).
    2. The line of medical care depends on the degree of danger to health (Hippocratic Oath)
    Everything else is speculation!
    Answer yourself to the question - how would the Russians react if, if necessary (and willing !!!) to vaccinate 90 million Russians and with only 30 million doses, the government would begin to "save the world"?
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 8 March 2021 18: 59
      -2
      Quote: AlexZN
      There are two immutable rules of rescue in extreme conditions.

      In the Russian Federation, first of all, Putin's Ideas and Plans are being saved. And for this, all means are good.
  • Dear sofa expert. 8 March 2021 13: 01
    +2
    1. First, save yourself, then start helping others (remember the instructions on the plane - first put on a mask on yourself, then on people who cannot do it themselves).

    In the case of the current pandemic, this, unfortunately, does not work.

    One focus of this infection in China was enough that in a year, hundreds of millions of people around the world were infected.
    What is the use of the fact that your Israel will be vaccinated, and around you there will be a hundred foci, and even with dozens of possible new mutations, from which, the vaccine you received alone, may also be helpless? Will you be vaccinated again, on the second, fifth, twentieth circle? Or isolating yourself from the rest of the world?

    2. The line of medical care depends on the degree of danger to health (Hippocratic Oath)
    Everything else

    Well, then, following your logic, help should be provided, first of all, to countries with less developed medicine than yours.)

    The degree of danger to your health, thanks to your high-quality medicine, is just not as high as that of others, judging by the quota of deaths from the coronavirus.
    1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
      Alexzn (Alexander) 8 March 2021 19: 37
      -3
      Your logic is very strange.
      1.Russia does not vaccinate itself, but grafts (at least says that it grafts) the world so that what? An original method of dealing with a pandemic.
      2. It is necessary to save the most sick person - this is not my logic, but the generally accepted approach. But even this approach should not be taken to the point of absurdity and demand on the battlefield that a medical instructor rescue a heavily wounded enemy.
      It seems that the West took a logical path, not without rough edges, but it did. Let's talk in a couple of months, when the volume of Western vaccine supplied to developing countries will be an order of magnitude larger than the satellite.
      And did I refute the common truth - my shirt is closer to the body.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 8 March 2021 20: 24
        +3
        Your logic is very strange.
        1.Russia does not vaccinate itself, but grafts (at least says that it grafts) the world so that what? An original method of dealing with a pandemic.

        Yes, there is no strange logic. First, separate the flies from the cutlets:
        1) Russia is being vaccinated. To date, 6.655.487 vaccinations have been delivered.
        2) It could have been more if, among the Russians, there would have been more applicants (this is a separate topic, and we have already discussed it)
        3) "and instills the world so that .." - to instill the world, so that there are fewer sick people in the world, in order to earn prestige and money on this.
        What is it about these motivations that contradicts your logic?

        2. It is necessary to save the most sick person - this is not my logic, but the generally accepted approach. But even this approach should not be taken to the point of absurdity and demand on the battlefield that a medical instructor rescue a heavily wounded enemy.

        Who, of the countries to whom Russia sells the vaccine, is its enemy? With whom, of these states, is Russia at war?

        It seems that the West took a logical path, not without rough edges, but it did. Let's talk in a couple of months, when the volume of Western vaccine supplied to developing countries will be an order of magnitude larger than the satellite.

        You already suggested doing this 2 months ago. I agreed. So far, the result, in terms of the success of the West, is zero. Both in terms of the effect of their "miracle of vaccinations", and in general statistics: the number of diseases / deaths / dynamics of the development of the pandemic.
        In a word - complete Losers!

        The only country that can boast of some result is your Israel. And it's all!
        1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
          Alexzn (Alexander) 8 March 2021 20: 39
          -1
          "But it instills the world so that .." - to instill the world, so that there are fewer sick people in the world, in order to earn prestige and money on this.
          What is it about these motivations that contradicts your logic?

          It sounds beautiful, but it is not clear whether it is worth saving it if you yourself are not vaccinated. You yourself wrote that this does not work in a pandemic.
          Two months ago I wrote about Israel, not the West, which is a couple of months behind. In Israel, it looks like the vaccine is already working - judging by the data.
          1. Dear sofa expert. 8 March 2021 20: 49
            +3
            It sounds beautiful, but it is not clear whether it is worth saving it if you yourself are not vaccinated. You yourself wrote that this does not work in a pandemic.

            Once again, and hopefully the last.
            In Russia, there are few vaccinated (by the way, not much less than in Germany), not because there is not enough vaccine, but because there is not enough WISHING! Is it really that hard to understand?
            Well, not at the point of a machine gun, to lead people for vaccination, by God!

            And those vaccinations that are sold to other countries, they are usually produced there (with the exception of a few countries). In fact, these countries are sold a production franchise for their own consumption. Who is bad from this then ??????????
            I don’t understand, is it so difficult to understand?
            1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
              Alexzn (Alexander) 8 March 2021 21: 07
              -3
              In Russia, there are few vaccinated (by the way, not much less than in Germany), not because there is not enough vaccine, but because there is not enough WISHING! Is it really that hard to understand?

              Once again, and I hope - last, I ask - how does this explanation relate to the mission of saving the world from a pandemic? Well, how can 30 million loaves of bread be saved? We didn’t save ourselves, but we will save the world. Let's make it a scanty volume and contradict logic. Or, as always, we will fight on foreign territory and with little blood?
              If we remove all the above absurdities and leave the point that this does not hurt anyone, I agree with this statement of the question.
              1. Dear sofa expert. 8 March 2021 21: 30
                +3
                How does this explanation relate to the mission of saving the world from a pandemic? Well, how can 30 million loaves of bread be saved? We didn’t save ourselves, but we will save the world.

                I thought you were more adequate :)

                Where, I insisted on the "mission of saving the world" RUSSIA?
                I said literally: “The virus is mutating. He must be defeated immediately and wherever possible .. "
                And this applies not only to Russia, but also to the rest of the world community, and first of all, just the rich Western countries, which, instead of supporting the weaker ones, rested on the salvation of exclusively their beloved (and everybody for himself ), without even realizing the absurdity of all their efforts.
                You have vaccinated the entire population of your country, and you are proud of it. But what will it give you if an epidemic continues to rage in some neighboring country, where there are no funds for vaccination? And then a new "mutant" will appear there, which will be brought to you. Are you sure that the "miracle vaccine" delivered to you will help you from this "mutant"?
                Me not.
                You can give your stupid examples of the plane, but remember that there too: if the plane itself falls, then the mask you put on your face will not help you much.
                1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
                  Alexzn (Alexander) 8 March 2021 21: 45
                  -1
                  Well, the claims were not for you, but for the ongoing series of stupid biased scribbles that appear in various media and stubbornly slip the readers of the site.
                  PS I don't think it's worth mentioning my adequacy.
                  1. Dear sofa expert. 8 March 2021 21: 49
                    +2
                    PS I don't think it's worth mentioning my adequacy.

                    Ok, the topic is closed.
          2. Dear sofa expert. 8 March 2021 20: 58
            +2
            Here, here is a good description of the key points of what I had in mind about the reluctance of Russians to get vaccinated:

            ..the vaccination process in Russia is going slowly for a number of reasons, one of which is the reluctance of the population.

            There can be many reasons for reluctance. And the general mistrust of Russians in vaccines as such, and the absence of a real fear of the "corona" - unlike the United States and the EU, we have neither such a number of deaths, nor such a strict quarantine. Only 56% of Russians are, in principle, afraid of contracting coronavirus ...

            ..... Some Russians are not vaccinated with a very good vaccine "Sputnik V" only because in a month or two another will be available - developed by the Chumakov Institute (relatively speaking, a classic type of vaccine). Informed citizens, doctors and even employees of foreign diplomatic missions are waiting for her ...

            https://m.vz.ru/world/2021/3/4/1087950.html
  • Igor Berg Online Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 8 March 2021 13: 51
    -1
    The Indian vaccine is called CoviShield. And Ukraine was not included in the list of purchases of the Indian vaccine. not included.
  • Alexander Ulyev Offline Alexander Ulyev
    Alexander Ulyev (Alexander Ulyev) 10 March 2021 21: 02
    0
    So what's the use? We also liberated Europe twice, and where is the love? While we are fussing with vaccines, NATO has taken over the world media, and now it doesn't matter what and how much we do, because corrupt journalists will cross it all out.
  • Akhmetvaleev Reshad Rafailievich (Rishat) 14 March 2021 11: 35
    0
    They'll finish thinking when the Russian Chinese and Indians get used to it, I'm about how inhibited they are