Response to sanctions: Russia should take not only titanium from Boeing and Airbus, but also its sky


A few days ago, the United States followed the example of the European Union and imposed sanctions against Russia in the "Navalny case." Mainly domestic security forces, a number of political figures, as well as three scientific military institutes allegedly involved in the creation of chemical weapons. How can and should Moscow respond to Washington?


Any sanctions and counter-sanctions should have some specific purpose. By issuing personal "black marks", the White House expects to turn as many influential people in the highest corridors of power as possible against the incumbent head of state. President Joe Biden made it clear that the United States under the Democratic Party is again returning to the policy of "color revolutions" aimed at changing the regimes it does not like in other countries. The primary goals are also known - China and Russia. Like the Europeans, we included the head of the FSB Alexander Bortnikov, the Prosecutor General Igor Krasnov, the head of the Federal Penitentiary Service Alexander Kalashnikov, two deputy defense ministers, as well as representatives of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation, etc. ?

The country's main liberal democrat, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, in his inimitable corporate style, proposed the following:

Take the USA, their planes fly on our ... titanium and other metals. We will not give, and all these planes will stop at them. Our rockets carry their various space devices into outer space.

On this occasion, I would like to answer Vladimir Volfovich in absentia as follows:

At first, just with space rockets, we are no longer as good as before, but the United States has significantly pulled ahead. They now have their own heavy launch vehicles, and spaceships, and they are going to master the Moon, and they are already making plans for Mars. Refusing commercial launches in favor of the United States and its partners will be another shot in the leg of the long-suffering Roscosmos.

Secondly, "Not giving titanium" to the West is also not a good idea. Yes, about 30% of titanium in the production of Boeing aircraft is imported from Russia. Airbus has an even higher share. By banning the supply of raw materials, we can indeed cause significant damage to these two corporations. However, Russia is not a monopoly on the titanium and other rare earth metals market. Logistic and trade chains will simply be reorganized, and competitors will take the place of our country as a supplier. But the domestic exporter will then be left without a guaranteed sales market.

And this is still a good option. What if, in response to these anti-Western sanctions, the United States and the European Union refuse to sell new aircraft to Russia and service those already delivered? In our country, about 95% of air passenger traffic is carried out on imported liners manufactured by these two companies. Without the supply of new parts, airlines will first have to "cannibalize" some planes to fix others. The already considerable cost of air travel will increase instantly. And then this whole type of business will inevitably start to shrink more and more. The aerial connectivity of the vast country will become a fiction.

In this regard, I would like to come up with a counter proposal. Since all sanctions emphasize Russia's dependence on the West, it would be most sensible to gradually reduce it. Perhaps it is worth reducing the volume of titanium supplies to the United States and the EU countries. But first, it is necessary to completely revive all segments of the national civil aircraft industry: localize the production of the Superjet for short-haul transportation by 100%, put the medium-haul MS-21 on the conveyor, launch the powerful PD-35 engines into series and with their help make the wide-body long-haul Il-96 competitive. ... Let us first produce a sufficient number of these aircraft, prepare all the necessary infrastructure for their subsequent maintenance, both in Russia and abroad, arrange the export of airliners to friendly countries, taking the market share from Boeing and Airbus. Domestic titanium will be actively used in the domestic aircraft industry. So, since the volume of its exports will decrease, the purchase price for Western competitors will also increase accordingly.

Экономическая this kind of policy is the best response to sanctions from the United States and the European Union, as Russia becomes more independent, and the interests of their monstrous Western corporations will be directly affected. Everything else is populism of the purest water and demagoguery. Similarly, one should act in other industries, space, shipbuilding and machine-building, investing in their own country, and not in foreign "wrappers" of securities, and supporting the domestic producer not in words, but in deeds.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 5 March 2021 14: 37
    +2
    We must, come on, I would like ...
    In general, goodness ...
    1. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 5 March 2021 15: 22
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      We must, come on, I would like ...
      In general, goodness ...

      "... first there was the Word! ..." (c) Note, I did not say!
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 6 March 2021 08: 52
        0
        The word was completely different, haha.
  2. Polente the Wanderer 5 March 2021 15: 22
    -2
    By train ...
  3. Polente the Wanderer 5 March 2021 15: 23
    -2
    It is impossible to localize the Superjet, and no one needs it. It is only crammed into dependent companies.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 March 2021 08: 02
      +2
      The goal has already been set to localize the Superjet in Russia.
    2. whitebeard Offline whitebeard
      whitebeard 8 March 2021 20: 11
      0
      It is possible, but this requires a PD-7, its own avionics, etc. In general, this path is long and not easy. But it will have to go through, one way or another, not even for the sake of outstanding technical qualities, but for the political and economic independence of key industries.
      1. Gadlei Offline Gadlei
        Gadlei 9 March 2021 12: 54
        +2
        Actually, it's PD8 and not PD7
  4. Ronin Offline Ronin
    Ronin (Ronin) 5 March 2021 17: 50
    +4
    Mr. Marzhetsky, during the latest tests, the new reusable US space shuttle exploded stupidly, so it doesn't matter with space ... As for titanium and other things, let's remove 30% of the bread from your grocery store and then the question is - Will there be enough of it for everyone, including you and how much will this bread cost? Think about it, then you will understand what Russia's share of 30% in the titanium market is ...
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 6 March 2021 03: 27
      -2
      Mr. Marzhetsky, during the last tests, the new reusable US space shuttle exploded stupidly, so it doesn't matter with space ...

      Exploding a prototype on test flights is the norm. That is why it is a test prototype in order to work out various technical solutions on it.

      And besides Starship, the Americans have no other missiles?
      1. Vissarion Golubov (Vissarion Golubov) 10 March 2021 14: 27
        +1
        I remember how they wrote about the import of food: we would die without it. And now we ourselves export food for 34 billion dollars ... When the Americans were brought to our ob, ect (tables under starched tablecloths, vodka, ambassadorial,. Where did we get servility before them?) its capabilities. And all the companites were made here ... That's it!
      2. Ronin Offline Ronin
        Ronin (Ronin) 21 March 2021 09: 47
        +2
        Something when the prototype of the Su-57 crashed in the Russian Federation, you whined and jumped as if all the Russian Air Force planes had crashed in the Russian Federation at once ... And the Yankee's prototype crashed, because it was like nothing ... Continue to lick the mattress ..
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 21 March 2021 19: 09
          -1
          Something when the prototype of the Su-57 crashed in the Russian Federation

          You absolutely do not own even free information.

          It was not the flight prototype of the Su-57 that crashed, but the first production copy.

          https://www.interfax.ru/russia/689131

          Enlighten yourself.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 March 2021 08: 19
      0
      Quote: Ronin
      Mr. Marzhetsky, during the latest tests, the new reusable US space shuttle exploded stupidly, so it doesn't matter with space ... As for titanium and other things, let's remove 30% of the bread from your grocery store and then the question is - Will there be enough of it for everyone, including you and how much will this bread cost? Think about it, then you will understand what Russia's share of 30% in the titanium market is ...

      Imagine if, in response, the US and the EU refuse to supply to Russia not only aircraft, but also something else that is critical for our country that is not produced in our country. Think about it.
      This is not me saying that you have to go and give up, but on the contrary: first you need to properly prepare.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 6 March 2021 13: 55
        +3
        Divide and rule.
        Titanium sanctions should be announced to Boeing. And to supply Airbus. If the EU behaves well. In doing so, having discussed our market share.
        The United States does not supply us with anything that cannot be obtained elsewhere.
      2. Ronin Offline Ronin
        Ronin (Ronin) 21 March 2021 09: 52
        +3
        And if the Russian Federation refuses to supply to the United States everything that they do not have, or not enough ?! The Yankees stopped selling uranium for free, let's see how the mattress covers will sing ... But the Russian Federation also sells rare earth metals and the largest palladium deposits are also in the Russian Federation, and with the corona vaccine in the United States, there is not much and much else ... to solve their problems, there the Yankees in the outright lackeys only Sprat Extinction, Rymyn Gypsies and Ragged Poland, and these are more freeloaders than allies. On occasion, they will not refuse to rob the Yankees behind the backs of the Yankees, but their combat stability at the front will be out of charge Before the First Kipesh, like the SS division of Galicia
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 21 March 2021 19: 17
          -2
          with the corona vaccine in the USA as it is not very

          They have at least 2 of their own vaccines registered and are already successfully used in vaccination. Another 2 or 3 go through the 3rd stage of testing and registration. as of March 8, over 90 million people were vaccinated in the United States, and in Russia ... only 5 million.

          The EU would have to solve its problems, there the Yankees have only Sprat Extinctions, Rymyn Gypsies and Ragged Poland as outright lackeys.

          Adolf Aloizych, do not forget to shave off your mustache, burn.

          But the Russian Federation also sells rare earth metals and the largest palladium deposits are also located in the Russian Federation.

          And if the Russian Federation refuses to sell them to the United States, then not only the United States will suffer, but also the revenue of Russian mining companies will sharply decrease. For the United States is one of the largest buyers of rare earth metals.
          1. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
            kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 21 March 2021 20: 40
            +2
            Quote: Cyril
            They have at least 2 of their own vaccines registered and are already successfully used in vaccination

            hi
            In Russia, 2 vaccines "Sputnik" and "EpiVacCorona" have already been registered and are already being used,
            for registration of the 3rd "St. Petersburg".

            Quote: Cyril
            as of March 8, over 90 million people were vaccinated in the United States, and in Russia ... only 5 million.

            US COVID-19 Vaccination Statistics
            On 20.03.21/XNUMX/XNUMX in the USA:

            79 367 225 people (23.98% of the population) - vaccinated with at least one component of the vaccine
            43 people - fully vaccinated
            122 404 043 pcs. - total vaccinations done
            Less than 90 million have been vaccinated, but the gap between Russia and the United States is significant.
            There are vaccines, nowhere to produce, the results of the 90s and health care reforms are evident!

            Quote: Cyril
            And if the Russian Federation refuses to sell them to the United States, then not only the United States will suffer, but also the revenue of Russian mining companies will sharply decrease. For the United States is one of the largest buyers of rare earth metals.

            The main suppliers of rare earth metals to the United States are China and Canada.
            Slightly less - Belgium, Brazil, Germany, Mexico, Russia and South Africa.
            Moreover, China is an almost monopoly supplier of arsenic, rare earth metals, bismuth, yttrium, antimony oxide, barite, germanium, raw abrasives (aluminum oxide and silicon carbide), which are imported to the United States by 50% or more. Thus, American production of solar cells, abrasive materials and ceramics, metallurgy, aerospace, and drilling operations critically depend on imports from China.

            In addition, China supplies significant, but not critical for the United States (imports of these metals and minerals over 50% of consumption, but China's share in this import is 25-50%) volumes of gallium, graphite, indium, mica, tantalum, building stone, tellurium , tungsten.

            Imports of non-fuel minerals and metals from Russia are not vital to the United States. It is possible to indicate only a significant share of imports of vanadium (100% imported to the USA, 13% from Russia), silicon (34% of imports in US consumption, 19% from Russia) and palladium (33% of imports, 28% of imports from Russia ).
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 21 March 2021 20: 49
              -3
              In Russia, 2 vaccines "Sputnik" and "EpiVacCorona" have already been registered and are already being used,
              for registration of the 3rd "St. Petersburg".

              So what am I saying that Russia does not have its own vaccines? There is. I argued with another statement.

              Less than 90 million have been vaccinated, but the gap between Russia and the United States is significant.
              There are vaccines, nowhere to produce, the results of the 90s and health care reforms are evident!

              Well, then maybe there is no need to say that everything is bad with vaccines in the USA, since they themselves have problems?

              Imports of non-fuel minerals and metals from Russia are not vital to the United States.

              About that and speech. but it's not me who needs to write, but Ronin.
    3. Gadlei Offline Gadlei
      Gadlei 9 March 2021 12: 55
      -1
      Then the question is what to do with titanium, including workers.
  5. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 17: 55
    -6
    They now have their own heavy launch vehicles.

    The United States has always had them - Shuttles from the 80s, Deltas from the early 2000s, Titans until 2004.
  6. Cucumbers Offline Cucumbers
    Cucumbers (Cucumbers) 5 March 2021 18: 40
    +1
    Why destroy your country and industry? To beg now? They hoped that Russia would be included in Western production chains. And they were taken and turned. This is the same if you destroy your house (albeit not new and not very beautiful) and go around the city in search of where someone would let them live
    1. whitebeard Offline whitebeard
      whitebeard 8 March 2021 20: 21
      0
      No, the analogy is different - a blacksmith forges horseshoes, and a plowman plows. And everyone exchanges their products with each other. But this is under normal conditions. And in conditions of confrontation, of course, both the blacksmith and the farmer should be their own. And our Nulls initially wanted to just buy everything in the West for Russian resources, i.e. even the division of labor was out of the question. Therefore, the blotter was completely destroyed, especially since most of it was due to the USSR's closed nature and was not competitive in open markets. But together with water, as usual in Russia, which is periodically driven to radicalism, it happens - they threw out the child: they even destroyed that on the basis of which competition could be developed. However, often the destruction took place due to the fact that they did not dare to start a radical reform of sluggish enterprises with a level of management still at the USSR level. It is good that now Serdyukov will disperse this air swamp, finally the industry will recover in a normal way, although, of course, many will be fired, but even so the staffs were redundant for a long time. And now is not the time for aviation enterprises to live on subsidies.
  7. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 5 March 2021 19: 56
    +2
    just with space rockets, everything is not as good as before, but the United States has significantly pulled ahead. They now have their own heavy launch vehicles, and spaceships, and they are going to master the Moon, and they are already making plans for Mars. Refusing commercial launches in favor of the United States and its partners will be another shot in the leg of the long-suffering Roscosmos.

    I would not agree with this. Anyone, even Zimbabwe and Ukraine, can make plans for the Moon and plan to go to Mars. It is not difficult.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 6 March 2021 13: 15
      -4
      Anyone, even Zimbabwe and Ukraine, can make plans for the Moon and plan to go to Mars. It is not difficult.

      But they do not just make plans, but are actively studying both the Moon and Mars, forming a theoretical and practical basis for subsequent colonization.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 6 March 2021 13: 57
        +3
        They just run out of extra money very soon. And without money there is nothing to do in space.
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 6 March 2021 14: 09
          -3
          They just run out of extra money very soon.

          This song about "money will run out soon" has been heard for decades.
        2. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 6 March 2021 14: 16
          -2
          When the money runs out, they will raise the retirement age.
          Biden is working hard, so they'll get killed.
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 6 March 2021 14: 55
        +4
        But they do not just make plans, but are actively studying both the Moon and Mars, forming a theoretical and practical basis for subsequent colonization.

        In other words, they are going to explore the Moon and Mars. You just, like a devoted lackey, described the details in enthusiastic terms.
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 6 March 2021 15: 41
          -5
          The study is the first stage in the development of a new territory. This is all of a sudden if you didn't know.

          described the details in glowing terms.

          Where you saw the enthusiastic tone is not clear. I am simply stating the fact that the West has studied the Moon and Mars. However, seeing what is not is your constant symptom.

          You are just like a devoted lackey

          And you are just like an extra chromosomal.
    2. whitebeard Offline whitebeard
      whitebeard 8 March 2021 20: 14
      +1
      In the same way, you can intend to completely replace the import of the aviation industry;) But the amers "collecting" them will be easier to do because of the more affordable and developed finances and, most importantly, technologies. However, it is not worth chasing them in the race of prestige, but the aviation industry is quite a necessary and strategic industry here on Earth, both for economic and political reasons. Another question is that it will be very difficult for us to replace it with imports, although not impossible.
  8. Praskovya Offline Praskovya
    Praskovya (Praskovya) 5 March 2021 22: 47
    +4
    The sanctions are dead. That would have banned all our bureaucrats from Western citizenship, blocked foreign accounts. They took away real estate and a ban on entering the EU and the United States forever and the expulsion of family members to Russia. If only our people in power would beep !! And Otvalny would have been released, and the Order of the Hero of Russia would have been given to him, and in pursuit, the Order of Merit to the Fatherland. And so this is garbage and not sanctions.
    1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
      Kofesan (Valery) 6 March 2021 02: 11
      -2
      Dead? Yes, you are probably just not "in the know." By modestly announcing sanctions against three (or four) people, Europe and the United States are simultaneously tightening up the old, much more serious ones. Three or four names of security officials are just an excuse for a new round in all azimuths ...
      The equipment that, say, academics for nuclear research or the defense industry for missile manufacturing plants would like to buy, today becomes impossible to buy. A year ago they could, now they don't. And the public statements of the level - "the property of the three security officials abroad" (which, by the way, may not exist) will be frozen ... this is to calm our simple and naive souls. Remember here ... "simplicity is worse than theft."
      This is me not to you, but to the fact that you need to know the enemy by sight. And his face (the enemy) is carefully hidden from you and me ...
      1. shinobi Offline shinobi
        shinobi (Yuri) 6 March 2021 03: 45
        +1
        During the union, we got along with our machines, tools, materials. It turned out not badly. And now we will manage.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 March 2021 08: 03
          0
          Under the Soviet Union, their machines were produced.
          1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
            Kofesan (Valery) 6 March 2021 08: 53
            -2
            Today, nothing is produced without German machines! Even strategic. And factories (like the last dinosaurs) keep dying. Also the last. And their territories in cities are given for sale. Construction of residential complexes, shopping centers ... and they cannot be returned back.
            Well, high-tech production or design bureaus will not be able to function in villages or on the outskirts of the darkness-cockroaches. Specialists will not go there for anything. True, and there are not many of them. And in electronics, for example, the youngest specialists are already well over 50.
            Maybe you should have started preparing 20 years ago? Now this task seems to be no longer lifting.
            I want to be realistic. And I don't want to be an "optimist" from the joke at all:

            Pessimist - "It couldn't be worse"
            Optimist - "Maybe, maybe ..."

            But we have to ... unfortunately.
          2. vasgol Offline vasgol
            vasgol (Vasiliy) April 6 2021 11: 19
            0
            Yes, yes, especially for the manufacture of "silent" propellers for nuclear submarines! Storyteller...
        2. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 6 March 2021 14: 26
          -3
          And they stole from the damned imperialists everything that they could steal. While they were dragging, they were already inventing some new gimmick, and again they had to steal, bribe, and drag!
          DIP machine - Catch up and overtake! While they were catching up, they fell apart to everyone) (epam :))
        3. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 8 March 2021 20: 24
          +1
          During the union, we got along with our machines, tools, materials. It turned out not badly. And now we will manage.

          In smaller volumes, of course, but machines were also imported in Soviet times. At least the GDR, Hungary, Poland, the DPRK (this is what I saw myself), others are still found in the Russian expanses.
          They were also taken from the "distant bourgeois abroad" or simply cloned. There were also roundabouts. Like machines from Japan for processing propellers. hi
    2. Armen Offline Armen
      Armen (Armen) 9 March 2021 19: 18
      -3
      Why bother them? They exchange your natural resources for candy wrappers that return to Russia by 10%, the rest remains in the form of numbers in their banks))))) On the contrary, medals must be given "Hero of the European Union" "For the collapse of Russia"
  9. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
    Kofesan (Valery) 5 March 2021 23: 03
    -2
    Boing has built a total of 132 aircraft in 2020. All types. Against 750 in good years. Moreover, 46 of them are cargo. For them, this is a loss of almost 12 billion. After the disaster in Ethiopia on March 10, 2019, all flights of the 737 MAX (one of the favorites for Boeing) were stopped. Most of the 400 aircraft of 59 airlines are still grounded. About 380 more new aircraft produced have not yet been delivered to customers and are idle at Boeing factories.
    And now Russia will again extend the hand of "friendship and assistance"? Most likely it will.
    No, it is very difficult to fight and fight. Nobody argues. Moreover, in the warehouses of the prudent Americans there are reserves of Russian titanium for years. But it's not about technology, it's about politics ...
    And, most likely, the modern policy of Russia is that: “if you hit on the right cheek, substitute the left one” ...
    So the "elite" are persistently trying to buy themselves comfort and security, including loot ... Judging by the palace, it does not work out very well. But the elite are persistent and motivated.
  10. There is no need to take away anything - they regularly throw loot for titanium and the sky, and our ministers are no stranger to sanctions!
  11. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 6 March 2021 01: 07
    +2
    I'll go on foot to the conductor! If you do not sell titanium in the US, the industry in the Russian Federation will not accidentally bend? RF 4 in the world by production. It is clear to any literate that all enterprises do not work 100%. Logically, if Russia refuses to supply titanium to the United States, "the holy place will not be empty."
    Imagine a different picture better. The USA stops supplying Intel and AMD processors to the Russian Federation.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 6 March 2021 22: 10
      +3
      The industry will not bend. We have aircraft at the exit that are competitors of the Boeing 737. Declare the sanctions on the 737 as very dangerous to operate. Share the vacated market with Airbus. And for the rest of the aircraft - to supply. Until. As for the "holy place ..." - it is very far away and under a big question. In the West, people earn money from weapons. For them, the main thing is money. This is precisely the weakness of the US military-industrial complex in comparison with the Soviet and Russian military-industrial complex. As soon as the order is completed, non-standard equipment, documentation and tooling are destroyed, specialists are dispersed, etc. Restoring production is a task for many years. Now they, if necessary, will not be able to resume production of F 22 and Abrams. From the word at all.
      And do the US processors not from China, for an hour, get it? As far as I know, they even have an element base from China for the war and an insoluble problem to get rid of this independence. And China will sell us everything we order.
      It is not for nothing that we help them create an early warning system, which they themselves cannot do. They will even put on what is not allowed, little by little. After all, if you can't, but you really want to, then you can. Someone is helping (we will not point the finger) to Iran with nuclear technologies. For oil.
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 7 March 2021 17: 51
        -3
        So you raise any questions in mono. The USA abandoned the F 22 and why has long been said. And the Russian military-industrial complex also wants money, otherwise why would Putin proudly name the cost of arms exports from the Russian Federation? Although the recent write-off of debts of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation for 700 billion speaks very clearly of the ability to trade.
        On the subject of microelectronics, you are very weak. Even the fact that Taiwan also labels its products as Made in China. Unfortunately for you, I don't do everything in China. China itself exports a lot of processors and mono what else. Be sure to find something on the topic and read it.
        To get started, you can start here



        About Russia here is NOT HEARING ((((
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 7 March 2021 20: 22
          +1
          About Russia here is NOT HEARING ((((

          Do you generally read the comments you are trying to answer?

          The USA abandoned the F 22 and why has long been said.

          Imagine I'm in the know. But the situation is changing. This is the most advanced and combat-ready aircraft of the United States. If the need arises (war, for example) it is impossible to produce it.

          Although the recent cancellation of the debts of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation for 700 billion very clearly speaks of the ability to trade.

          And the price of US-made weapons speaks well of the ability of the US military-industrial complex to work. With the performance characteristics of weapons, to put it mildly, not higher than Russian ones. And they don't produce the F35 either. Because it's shit.
          I did not write about Russia on microcircuits. Do not get carried away with hard drugs. But in your video about Russia there is. True, you do not understand where it is. They will do what they can. If they cannot, they will buy it from China. I advise you to open a map on the net and see how far Taiwan is from China. At one time, Soviet artillerymen practiced shelling Taiwan with conventional shells. Taiwan is independent today. Tomorrow - or Chinese, or not. This is war, baby. Have you even served in the army?
          The worst thing for the United States is the technological chains it has worked out. They are destroyed at the expense of times. Even without nuclear weapons. One salvo of a small rocket ship from the Kaliningrad raid - and the Netherlands does not produce microcircuits. And the United States understands this. Unlike you. And the ratio of armaments is no longer in favor of the United States. And the United States is undermining its own economy, lowering itself to a lower rank.
          And China and Russia will block rare earths for them.
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 8 March 2021 19: 14
            -4
            In the States, workers' salaries are several times higher than in Russia. And how quickly the Americans can spin up production is very clearly seen in VM2 and even in the growth rate of vaccine production
            It’s not even a matter of the balance of forces, but of how many allies one has.
            But even naked when the USSR is against the United States. Then the USSR had all the republics and also the Warsaw Pact. The USSR never even reached 50% of the US GDP. Now the Russian Federation is 1,8% of world GDP. USA 20%.
            And if some small boat fires a salvo from Kaliningrad, do you think it will remain unanswered?
            Do you know why the Russian Federation has not yet fired any volley? There are no fools in the Kremlin.
            1. whitebeard Offline whitebeard
              whitebeard 8 March 2021 20: 29
              0
              In the States, wages are 2 (or more) times higher, including because there these workers are 2 or more times less per unit. products. And we have the USSR tradition of total employment, which prevents us from paying normal wages and increasing the automation of production. And even worse, it creates a latent social disadaptation in people, when a simple worker at an aircraft factory, simply twisting the nuts or doing something else that the robot can do faster and better, imagines himself to be a "respected employee of the aviation industry", but in reality it cannot produce high-tech results and productivity, because the enterprise has no incentive to train it - the main thing is to find a job. Something similar still exists in Yapia, when pennies are borrowed from unnecessary jobs for a penny, just to make them feel good. But one thing is a penny, and another thing is a worker in his prime, who could find himself in another production or activity, albeit requiring improvement, but at the same time with a higher salary, otherwise he does not need it - he is employed in a "respected profession", albeit with a small salary, which does not provide him with a decent standard of living, "but in our city they still live like that."
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              2. Vladest Offline Vladest
                Vladest (Vladimir) 9 March 2021 16: 29
                -1
                All your reasoning runs into contradiction. Why did the retirement age rise in the Russian Federation? This is not done for the sake of "pennies" but because there is not enough labor. And labor productivity for you I see a concept that is not familiar. And where it is higher there and salaries are higher.
                1. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 9 March 2021 20: 39
                  +2
                  What is labor productivity, I knew not by hearsay when you were not in the world.
                  The comprador group continues to deal with the economy in our country, so the monetization of the economy (if that tells you anything) is 40%. Whereas not in the West - 130-150%. At a rate of 100%. It is impossible to get loans at the normal rate in the country. The business simply does not have the money to modernize production. Hence labor productivity. A quick change of the liberal elite is not yet possible. Only through the civil war.
                  As soon as our economy stops working for the IMF and the Fed, GDP growth will exceed 10-15%. That, in fact, was observed when Primakov, Maslyukov and Gerashchenko were in charge of the economy. 1999 - 2004

                  All your reasoning runs into contradiction. Why did the retirement age rise in the Russian Federation? This is not done for the sake of "pennies" but because there is not enough labor.

                  Don't write about what you have no idea about. There are not enough jobs in the country. It is impossible to get a job for people after 50 years.
                  1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                    Vladest (Vladimir) 10 March 2021 15: 42
                    -4
                    Quote: boriz
                    It is impossible for people after 50 years to get a job.

                    They work in Estonia. And my problem is to get away from it.
                    About unemployment in Estonia, it is higher than in the Russian Federation. But the Russian Federation is less because there is nowhere to go. You have to work to SURVIVE.
                    Russians are coming to us. Back to you .....?
                    I already know two doctors. We started a business here. And there is no Putin. No Politics.
                    Work and enjoy the product of your work.
                    1. boriz Offline boriz
                      boriz (boriz) 10 March 2021 19: 36
                      +2
                      They work in Estonia.

                      Yes, half of your youth smiled to the West. The economy in the West will fall this year and they will return home. Then you will be jealous of us.
                      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                        Vladest (Vladimir) 15 March 2021 01: 42
                        -4
                        Quote: boriz
                        Yes, half of your youth smiled to the West.

                        Zombie's answer from TV. In Estonia, the population has been growing since 2015. Including at the expense of migrants from Russia. (YOUNG) !!!)))
                        I personally know the family ...
                        RF last year RF - (MINUS) 700 thousand population.
                        Look in the mirror before you judge US,
                  2. Vladest Offline Vladest
                    Vladest (Vladimir) 21 September 2021 18: 47
                    -1
                    So to reduce military spending and 600 billion dollars in business, well, or a part.
                    1. boriz Offline boriz
                      boriz (boriz) 21 September 2021 21: 10
                      0
                      Are you awake? Good morning.
                      And you will command at home.
                      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                        Vladest (Vladimir) 21 September 2021 21: 12
                        -1
                        Read the post below. To the point there.
                2. whitebeard Offline whitebeard
                  whitebeard 21 August 2021 15: 08
                  0
                  You think too well of our rulers: they raised their pennies not in order to increase (or, more precisely, to extend) working hands, but in order to simply spend less on these very pennies. And the concept of "labor productivity", judging by your birch bark letters, is not familiar to you, since I am writing about this. Just an increase in labor productivity in stagnating markets (and our exports, with the exception of resources, are just that) leads to a decrease in the number of workers and the release of them for other enterprises. Ours, obeying the wryly understood concept of "sociality" and "city-forming enterprise", prefer to keep more employment, with low salaries, especially since they cannot raise productivity, because this requires further automation and robotization, and retraining even the remaining workers, than our state corporations do not really know how to do it, because the budget is money on closed items - when they are, and they are! - it's easier to cut;)
            2. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 8 March 2021 22: 59
              +3
              RF, of course, will not fire first.
              GDP means little now.
              A lot will change during this goal.
              What is VM2?
              The West has failed with vaccines. Even the Czechs forgot about Russophobia and sent Zeman to ask for a vaccine. If I were Putin, I would not give it. There are many countries with which we have normal relations. And neither the Czech Republic nor the Baltics should sell the vaccine for any money.
              1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                Vladest (Vladimir) 9 March 2021 16: 34
                -3
                You poor fellows have heard enough of their propaganda and think that no one except you does the vaccine. In the Czech Republic, they are used by FOUR .. And you are not told about it. That is, you are being fooled. Their own.
                1. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 9 March 2021 20: 44
                  +1
                  In the same Czech Republic, they are used by FOUR.

                  Why did you ask for Sputnik?
                  Tell us better, where is the Estonian vaccine used?
                  I have asked you for a long time to tell us what is so amazing that your country of farmers is producing, which Russia cannot do without. The Balts have already drained the sprats, the fishermen are moving to us.
            3. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 8 March 2021 23: 53
              +2
              Here's the latest news: Italy will be producing Sputnik V.
      2. Armen Offline Armen
        Armen (Armen) 9 March 2021 19: 10
        -3
        Nowhere did I find the number of CIVIL aircraft produced in Russia in 2020. If you manage to cover Boeing with sanctions and put up your own 1 plane per year, then you can ask for a couple of billions of kickbacks from Airbus)))))))))))))) And the 5th generation of the States is not producing FOR YOURSELF now, it seems to me - save money for 6
  12. mark1 Offline mark1
    mark1 6 March 2021 07: 04
    -1
    Let us first produce a sufficient number of these aircraft, prepare all the necessary infrastructure for their subsequent maintenance, both in Russia and abroad, arrange the export of airliners to friendly countries, taking away the market share from Boeing and Airbus.

    Let's - but going your way, dear liberal author, the road is long, difficult and humiliating (and it is not yet known where we will come and with what, because the wind will blow first in the back, then in the face) And let's do the same but at the same time slashing at Boeing and Airbus on our domestic market (for a start, you can use one Boeing) because nothing stimulates the achievement of the goal so much as creating a hopeless situation.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 March 2021 07: 13
      0
      Quote: mark1
      Let's go - but going your way, dear liberal author, the road is long, difficult and humiliating (and it is not yet known where we will come and with what, because the wind will blow first in the back, then in the face)

      Since when did I, a leftist, become a liberal author? laughing

      And let's do all the same, but at the same time slashing the Boeing and Airbus on our domestic market (for a start, you can use one Boeing) because nothing stimulates the achievement of the goal so much as creating a hopeless situation.

      Come on! But maybe our liberal government does not want to do this?
      P.S. you are all upside down. hi
      1. mark1 Offline mark1
        mark1 6 March 2021 07: 37
        0
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Since when did I, a leftist, become a liberal author?

        Well, if I made a mistake in the "classification", I apologize - it's just that the apple notes in your "let's" sounded too painfully. No one will let us first rise and then send everyone, so we must do everything at the same time.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 March 2021 08: 05
          +1
          The notes are not apple, but quite pragmatic. First, we need to revive the industry in our country, and then reduce the export of titanium, and it will itself decrease. Otherwise, the response from there will be painful. We are more vulnerable than they are.
          1. mark1 Offline mark1
            mark1 6 March 2021 09: 27
            0
            But what kind of pragmatism is there - your "let's" will last for decades (or even centuries) if you do not cut off the very possibility of lobbying for the promotion of foreign products.
            What kind of a swindler sitting in a key office will give up the chance to easily cut down the grandmother, and even tied it to all kinds of implementation of plans of resolutions and schedules for the development of a particular industry (except for the production itself, of course, "in view of objective reasons") They can also get a medal give if rotated correctly ...
            ps where is the export of titanium? Rather, we are talking about imports (of aircraft in this case)
        2. whitebeard Offline whitebeard
          whitebeard 8 March 2021 20: 09
          0
          Well, yes, but real "patriotism", in your opinion, is thoughtlessly breaking bans and anti-sanctions, even if they bomb their own Voronezh? Yes, a real patriot! )))
          1. mark1 Offline mark1
            mark1 9 March 2021 14: 12
            0
            No one thoughtlessly or anything to break does not offer. Try to think first and then act (in this case, respond). We are able to prohibit Boeing without prejudice to ourselves. airbus remains
            and all Voronezh can continue to stand serenely in their places. That you are all fixated on titanium. To sell titanium - not to buy Boeings, but to buy (for now) airbuses - is that clear?
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 7 March 2021 20: 41
      +1
      Let me disagree with you. For it is said: "Divide and conquer."
      We have cars competing with the Boeing 737. When we can produce them in noticeable quantities, we need to ban the 737 for titanium. And A 319/320 - do not touch. If the EU behaves correctly. For example, help with certification. At the same time, stipulate your share of the vacated market. This is enough for the Boeing to bend at all. Especially if you close your sky. Or 737 or Boeing in general.
  13. alex5450 Offline alex5450
    alex5450 (Alex L) 6 March 2021 07: 34
    -2
    It is necessary to answer in a mirror-like manner - to prohibit three American officials from entering Russia and impose sanctions on US chemical institutes.
    1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
      Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 6 March 2021 08: 57
      +1
      hahaha.
      Kadyrov and more sanktsy announced.
      The problem is that no one from the officials visits him anyway, keeps no money in Chechnya, and does not buy machines in Chechnya ...
      Declare, don't announce ...
  14. Biker Ivanov Offline Biker Ivanov
    Biker Ivanov (Biker Ivanov) 7 March 2021 05: 34
    +4
    Author, teach materiel. The United States did not get any better with missiles, and Musk's crafts do not fly without Russian components. With regards to titanium, there is complete ignorance of the material, in contrast to Zhirinovsky. Russia does not supply titanium in the form of ore, but finished titanium products. It's not about titanium, but about its processing. And only Russia has these technologies. Therefore, Boeing and Airbus can buy titanium anywhere, put glasses on it like a monkey (if the author of the article knows such a fable), and sit sadly looking at the sky. Because only Novosibirsk knows how to make the necessary parts from this titanium. Zhirinovsky said everything correctly, and the article was written by an amateur.
    1. persimmon ufimtsev (khurmat ufimtsev) 7 March 2021 13: 20
      0
      Biker Ivanov - it is immediately clear here who the amateur is here is you. Titanium is used not only in aircraft landing gear, but also in turbine blades. And after that, do you want to say that the Americans do not know the technology of titanium processing? They had - probably still have - an SR-71 reconnaissance aircraft, all of titanium, originally from the 60s of the last century. Then he already had a speed of 3600 km / h - faster than the bullets of many small arms.
      And now they use titanium very widely - maybe they took the technology from us, maybe they themselves documented it -
      it is what it is. I do not think that a country with electronics less than tens of nanometers does not know metal science. In electronics, you also need to know well the properties of metals and alloys.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 7 March 2021 21: 01
        +2
        I must disappoint you. The problem is in the titanium parts of the central load-bearing beams, the attachment of the wing to the fuselage. There are parts with high strength requirements and a very complex shape. And large sizes. The nanometers of microcircuits have nothing to do with titanium parts.
        If you could do it yourself, you would do it yourself. But, they cannot and will not master it in the near future. And they have no time. As there are no personnel and, already, money. And the material of the turbine blades has long been far from the problems of pure titanium.
        They lagged behind in hypersound, lasers (despite the technology stolen from us). Yes, there are many more. Even with conventional cruise missiles, we overtook them. In a nuclear tug in space, in nuclear power, they were overtaken forever. Alas.
        They cannot even make simple gas carriers (LNG). And we, a gas station country, with an economy torn to shreds, can make them, even ice class (and this is very important).

        Titanium is used not only in aircraft landing gear,

        Did the commentator write about the chassis? And the SR-71 was discontinued almost immediately. So they did badly. And we had a lot of experience in both T-4 Sukhoi and submarines.
        1. Armen Offline Armen
          Armen (Armen) 9 March 2021 19: 30
          -3
          Siemens taught you to make blades for gas turbines. It is necessary to compare the service life of Russian and amerov aircraft engines, as well as the working pace and there will be no more stupid statements.
  15. yaelxninsh Offline yaelxninsh
    yaelxninsh (Janis Elksninsh) 7 March 2021 08: 23
    0
    Correctly. At the cost of taking as much as possible. Reasonable retaliatory sanctions.
  16. 1536 Offline 1536
    1536 (Eugene) 7 March 2021 11: 05
    0
    Polonium. ... What are you reading, my prince?
    Hamlet. Words words words.
    Polonium. What is the essence of what you are reading, my prince?
    Hamlet. In backbiting. This scoundrel satirist describes that old people have gray hair, wrinkled faces, watery eyes, a weak mind and weak, trembling knees. Although I deeply believe this, I consider it completely indecent to publish such things. And you could grow old, like me, when, like a cancer, you were able to crawl back on the path of life.
    Polonius (aside). Madness, but the system is visible in it. Prince, it shows through here - you should leave.

    William Shakespeare. Hamlet (Prince of Denmark), ACT II

    You can't say better about everything that happens.
  17. whitebeard Offline whitebeard
    whitebeard 8 March 2021 20: 05
    0
    Oooh, what the author wanted - "to develop his own!" )) Wolfovich would say - "Shchizoid!" (c) You also tell Russian bureaucrats of the highest rank to stop stealing and exporting money to the West;) We have patriotism only in newspapers and when the next Voronezh is bombed.
  18. Cynic's Corner Offline Cynic's Corner
    Cynic's Corner (Rams Rider) 9 March 2021 09: 46
    0
    Untold nonsense in the head of the author of the article - "Let's tune the Il-96, MC-21 and Superjets and they will oust Boeings and Airbuses!" - 100% bullshit and shot yourself in the leg.
    JUSTIFICATE MY WORDS
    1-competition must be present, as well as airlines must have a choice of what to buy, otherwise Nemtsov's populism will turn out when he wanted to transfer all Russian officials to the Volga in the 90s. The Volga definitely did not get any better from this, and GAZ is so special and did not bother to improve that in the Volga.
    There are REALLY many titanium producers, BUT there are almost no aviation alloy producers among them. For example, the PT-2M and PTM alloys differ greatly in their characteristics - a tube from one alloy can be almost bend the ring and let go of the ends it will again become straight, but otherwise the tube will bend. So I see no reason to forbid it.
    What can you do? And it's just that the US and the EU ALREADY made a mistake introducing targeted sanctions against certain companies in Russia, and therefore, for example, you can or 100% prohibit the overflight of commercial and military Boeing or Airbus aircraft from countries that supported sanctions against Russia in the airspace of the Russian Federation. aircraft in the airspace of the Russian Federation with a very decent anti-sanction fee. The return from this measure will be oh-oh what. I will explain why all local flights of any Lufthansa, British Airways, and other airlines are unprofitable and are financed by these companies through long-haul flights from Europe to Asia. The shortest way, for example, to China or Japan, is Yu. Korea lies just over the territory of Russia (the funniest thing is that it turns out just through Norilsk) And to fly north or south is excess fuel or risk in case of an accident or shelling by some abrek from MANPADS.
    What will happen? Yes, it's just that Western airlines will go bankrupt in about a year, and Asian ones will get rich.
    In general, an anti-sanction fee from everything that follows through Russia is, in my opinion, a good idea. Why not impose, for example, the holders of Ukrainian passports with a daily anti-sanction fee of 1000 rubles per day for finding them on the territory of the Russian Federation? I think the Crimean bridge, the construction of a thermal power plant in Crimea and new water pipelines and other things should be compensated from the pockets of the citizens of Ukraine, and not from our budget
    1. Armen Offline Armen
      Armen (Armen) 9 March 2021 19: 26
      -4
      And what kind of person who does not have extra chromosomes will go to Russia? I used to go to Crimea every year, there were a lot of Belarusians. And now hell, even if we discard ideological considerations, prices are higher than steel. And Belarusians in Odessa have become much more since the age of 14)))) So sho pay for the bridge yourself)))
      1. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
        kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 10 March 2021 02: 23
        0
        Quote: Armen
        And what kind of person who does not have extra chromosomes will go to Russia?

        laughing laughing laughing
        And what a person who has no extra chromosomes will go to Armenia !!!

        Quote: Armen
        So sho pay for the bridge yourself)

        Russia paid and built! Pray for "Armena" Putin, it is high time to close the borders and show you your place in your homeland. Recently the Mamed's put you on four points, but this is only the beginning. Learn the story "boy"!
  19. Cherry Offline Cherry
    Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 9 March 2021 10: 16
    -1
    put on the conveyor medium-haul MS-21

    If I'm not mistaken, the MC-21 wing made of carbon fiber and some components for it were purchased in the USA.
  20. Cherry Offline Cherry
    Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 9 March 2021 10: 17
    -1
    Quote: Cynic's Corner
    1-competition must be present

    Tell Boeing with Airbus.
  21. ser.rudov2016 Offline ser.rudov2016
    ser.rudov2016 (Sergey Rudov) 9 March 2021 18: 04
    +1
    The advisers realized too late. 3 years ago, Deripaska's company Rusal, which produces titanium, went bankrupt and Deripaska became an ordinary director of the Board of Directors of Rusal, and of the 9 members of the Board, 6 were Americans. Our government did not lift a finger to nationalize the company that produces such strategic metals like aluminum, titanium, nickel, tungsten ...
    1. Armen Offline Armen
      Armen (Armen) 9 March 2021 19: 19
      -3
      And then they thought that it was unprofitable for them and slowly the sanctions were lifted)))
  22. Sergey Saprykin Offline Sergey Saprykin
    Sergey Saprykin (Sergey Saprykin) 10 March 2021 12: 11
    -1
    In technical universities, graduates of Slavic-Jewish origin set the tone for inventions and innovations. Now, even in Russian regions, more than half of Asian-Turkic and Caucasian origin study in universities. A good businessman will grow out of them, who knows how to sniff any product well and there are no constructors from them. Where is the technical staff of the future?
  23. Alexander Loginov (Alexander Loginov) 10 March 2021 14: 59
    0
    It's a stupid idea not to sell. Let them buy titanium and whatever they want. You shouldn't buy their products. To announce that airlines that have purchased imported airliners this year will completely lose state support, and that’s all, let them switch to superjets and MS-21s, and there IL 496 will arrive in time.
  24. rabinovich.moysha (Moysha Rabinovich) 10 March 2021 23: 07
    0
    In a sense, I can agree with the author of this opus, but there is a specific one, but that in a country where most of the Far East is not reachable by land, and the country does not have competitive long-haul aircraft, it is foolish to talk about some PD-35 and twin-engine IL- 96 that exist only on paper, the so-called West, if it really wants to, can hurt the economy in the aviation sector, so that these territories will remain cut off from the "mainland" given the current state of the Russian aircraft industry.
  25. Vladimir Georgievich (Archakov Vladimir) April 5 2021 20: 14
    0
    The millionth Volgograd in general under the Varangian governors practically completely lost its industrial production. So why not create an iviakluster similar to the Tashkent one in Volgograd, while there are still enough engineers and workers in the unemployed millionaire?
  26. Ivan Pomidorov Offline Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov (Kuibyshev) April 7 2021 10: 34
    -1
    The Russian Federation cannot answer with anything. Absolutely nothing. Her every move against the West is a shot at herself. She has nothing that the West could not do without. Russia is no longer even a gas station.
  27. alex-sherbakov48 April 20 2021 11: 00
    +1
    We will not invest in the domestic economy, so we will be beaten by these Americans and Western countries !!!
  28. Vasil K. Offline Vasil K.
    Vasil K. (Vasil K.) 10 May 2021 14: 21
    +1
    Remark: Russia does not supply titanium in the form of just a metal, but as a final high-tech product, which there is no one to replace ... Closing the sky for transit to unfriendly countries will not only deprive oneself of some income, but also increase the cost of it, and a drop in competition. Somehow it seems so, if without tolerance.
  29. dgonni Offline dgonni
    dgonni (Eugene) 24 May 2021 07: 22
    +1
    The author has overstimulated a lot. Of course, it would be great to limit the supply of the above elements and thereby create certain temporary difficulties for them, but! Our aircraft fleet today is more than 90% Boeing, and if America wants it, it will put us in the notorious position on four bones. So before writing something, it would not be bad to think first, well, at least a little ...