US air defense in the Middle East has proven its complete failure


The wars in Syria and Libya have cast doubt on the effectiveness of Russian air defense systems. Attack UAVs of Turkish and Israeli production caught our "Shells" either in a marching state or in an incapacitated state, destroyed and gave out a beautiful propaganda picture. All this gave the ill-wishers a reason to talk about the "worthlessness" of domestic air defense systems and air defense systems. But lying is infinitely impossible, and the truth always comes out in the end. But everything is exactly the opposite.


First of all, the effectiveness of any weapon directly depends on who uses it and how. In particular, the Russian Khmeimim airbase in Syria has been regularly attacked by whole flocks of enemy UAVs for several years. Correctly organized echeloned air defense from the Pantsir-C1 and Tor complexes always successfully intercepted everything. For the sake of fairness, we note that the air defense missile system really has its own design flaws, caused by the fact that at the time of their design there were simply no such flying targets as UAVs. These "Achilles' heels" have already been identified and are being eliminated in new modifications. The main blame for the death of the "Shell" in Syria and Libya lies with their calculations, presented by the local military, who do not have the proper qualifications and ability to use these air defense missile systems with maximum efficiency. And what about the air defense of our potential adversaries in the person of the United States and its allies?

The actual practice of using anti-aircraft systems in combat conditions shows that the Americans have a "club", but in fact they do not have a "shield". In order not to be unfounded, let us turn to the facts.

Recall that a year ago, in response to the assassination of Iranian general Qassem Soleimani, Tehran responded with rocket fire at the American military base Ain al-Assad in Iraq. The servicemen of the US Armed Forces promptly hid in the bunker, so there were no dead, but, despite this, many of them received concussions and psychological trauma. To be hit by a missile strike is a dubious "pleasure". The most interesting thing in this story is what happened next.

According to the specialized publication Defense News, the Pentagon organized an echeloned air defense system over the Ain al-Assad base, represented by the C-RAM, M1097 Avenger complexes and the notorious Patriot air defense systems. C-RAM (Counter Rocket, Artillery, and Mortar) is a rapid-fire American air defense system designed to protect against rocket, artillery and mortar attacks. The defeat is achieved using high-precision anti-aircraft and high-explosive fragmentation shells with programmable detonation. The M1097 Avenger, or “Avenger,” as the developers pompously called it, is a self-propelled short-range air defense system mounted on the chassis of an HMMWV off-road vehicle. Its armament consists of FIM-92 Stinger missiles and a large-caliber anti-aircraft machine gun. "Avengers" must hit targets at a distance of 0,5 to 5,5 kilometers on a collision course or in pursuit. Well, and, finally, the "famous" Patriot air defense systems, which are supposed to shoot down both aircraft and ballistic missiles. The cost of one shot is about $ 3 million. These complexes are in service with the United States itself and its allied countries.

So, after a missile attack in January last year, the Pentagon organized an echeloned air defense system over the Ain al-Assad base. At the same time, tensions have escalated in the region in recent months, everyone expected that Iran could repeat the strike on the anniversary of Soleimani's death, and President Donald Trump deployed additional strike forces, nuclear submarines and strategic bombers to the Middle East that could be used in "revenge." In Iraq, there have already been several attacks on the US military in recent months. We remind all of this so that there is no illusion that the invaders were allegedly taken by surprise, as they once did in Pearl Harbor. In order not to be "excused", in simple terms.

What happened next? On March 3, a home-made local "Katyusha" stopped near the Ain al-Assad base and launched a missile attack on it. All 10 missiles fired from a makeshift launcher hit the targets. The pickup, adapted as a carrier, burned down itself as a result of the launch, and was not destroyed by return fire. At the base, a civilian specialist died of a heart attack, apparently caused by fright. We offer our condolences to his family, but inevitably have to ask some questions. But how did it happen that the most technologically advanced army in the world missed the self-made Katyusha, which drove up to the military base at a distance of only 8 kilometers? And how did it happen that this entire layered air defense system was unable to intercept only a dozen missiles?


It's funny to read the explanations of people with a pro-American orientation that the base, they say, was not ready for this. They did not expect. That is, against the background of several recent attacks on US military personnel, the air defense missile system operators were dozing. Oh well. Sorry, but the Libyans and Syrians who lost the "Pantsir", at least have some excuses: either they were on the way, then the air defense missile systems were discharged. And here the whole military base of Ain al-Assad was covered by a "reliable" anti-aircraft umbrella in advance after the missile strike that took place a year ago, but, unlike Khmeimim, some "Katyusha" failed to repulse. And what would happen if the Iranians again hit it with ballistic missiles, I wonder?

Doubts about the effectiveness of the American air defense systems do not stand in an empty place. Remember two years ago the Houthis launched a combined strike with missiles and UAVs on the largest oil field and refinery in Saudi Arabia, which is participating in military aggression against their country? Missiles and drones filled with explosives freely flew the northern border of this Middle Eastern monarchy, which is covered by almost 90 Patriot air defense missile systems in the latest PAC-2 and PAC-3 modifications, as well as the area controlled by the Aegis anti-missile system of three American destroyers at once, and successfully hit all goals. In its own way, "touched" the explanation of the then US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo about the selectivity in the work of the vaunted "Patriots":

Air defense systems around the world always work with varying degrees of success.

With varied success"! But what about the "curvature of the Earth", which supposedly interferes with Russian missiles? But that was not the end of the story. In December 2019, the Houthis destroyed a military camp in the province of Najran with a missile strike; on November 23, 2020, they successfully attacked the distribution station of the state oil and gas company Saudi Aramco. Needless to say, the Patriot air defense system continued to be "formidably silent"? At the end of January 2021, the Houthis fired several medium-range missiles that were able to freely overcome more than a thousand kilometers through the six zones of responsibility of these, so to speak, anti-aircraft missile systems, and were intercepted directly under the capital of Riyadh by the THAAD system.

Particularly ironic is that military expert Uzi Rubin, who previously headed the Israel Anti-Ballistic Missile Organization, advised the Saudis to pay attention to the "Pantsiri" that are being reviled by ill-wishers:

You don't need anything fancy. The Russian SA-22 (Pantsir-C1) system with 30mm cannons, missiles and infrared direction finders will do.

As they say, both laughter and sin. But Washington, in general, should think about whether it will be right to continue to pursue its proprietary aggressive external policieshaving such a "leaky" anti-missile shield? It is clear that show-offs are more expensive than money, but is the Pentagon ready to play "Russian roulette", knowing that its missile defense system intercepts nuclear missiles with "varying success"?
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  1. THRONE Offline THRONE
    THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 5 March 2021 15: 43
    -15%
    Weak article, the author does not understand the principles of air defense and spreads false information. About 70% of the information in the article is pure fakes.
    1. The statement by the author that the Russian air defense "always successfully all" defended the Khmeimim base is false, for example, the news from January 2018, I quote the "Kommersant" newspaper: "four Su-24 bombers, two Su- 35S ", transport aircraft" An-72 ", as well as an ammunition depot. The information about the attack was confirmed by a source close to the Russian Defense Ministry to the Vedomosti newspaper. Two Russian servicemen were killed. Although the Ministry of Defense, in its own style, confirmed only the death of two soldiers at the base. You can trust anyone, but the air defense did not defend the base.
    2. Saudi missile defense / air defense intercepted more than 230 targets in recent years and say they are satisfied with the work of the Patriot air defense system.
    3. The alleged failures of the Patriot last year when Iranian drones and cruise missiles hit oil factories in North Arabia are not based on facts.
    - To protect Saudi Arabia from low-flying targets, you need a hundred divisions of the Patriot air defense system.
    - There is no information that these factories were generally guarded by air defense systems or working air defense systems. Is every plant in Russia guarded by air defense?
    - If the enemy knows the positions of the air defense, he can build a route passing over populated areas, in such cases the air defense will not be able to shoot, because the damage to the health and life of the population is colossal, one Patriot rocket can scatter hundreds of tungsten elements, potentially hundreds of civilian casualties and damage to infrastructure.
    So, reading performance characteristics on Wikipedia does not mean becoming an expert. It can be stated that 90% of articles on military topics in Runet are illiterate fakes, most of the scribbled journalists do not understand what they are writing.
    1. Ronin Offline Ronin
      Ronin (Ronin) 5 March 2021 17: 35
      +5
      The route passing over settlements ?! How do you imagine that? Where have you seen settlements passing one into another without gaps between them, and are there many such (like the cities of Buda and Pest, once united into one city of Budapest)? The unification of two cities into one, it is rather an exception to the rules to conduct a missile so that it goes over populated areas all the time is not realistic. I don't even want to comment on everything else, because to listen to the Yankees and their slaves, then all the equipment from the United States is unkillable, and the Internet is full of photos with burning Abrams tanks, with the wreckage of a Stryker armored personnel carrier, with burning BMP Bradley, with F-15 and F-16 in the sight of MiGs and the wreckage of NATO wunderwaffe on the ground ... And finally, if the Russian Federation could be bombed with impunity, like Yugoslavia, Libya, or Iraq, or captured with one blow, like Grenada, the Yankees would have done it long ago.
      1. THRONE Offline THRONE
        THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 5 March 2021 17: 58
        -8
        I explain that the detection radius of low-flying targets is only ~ 25 km, and so the rocket is brought to this radius at a low altitude above the desert, it is not visible to radars, and then it goes out to the city, that's all. The urban development itself can reduce the detection radius several times.
        1. Ronin Offline Ronin
          Ronin (Ronin) 5 March 2021 18: 04
          +2
          Let it be known to you the detection radius of a low-flying target is far from 25 km, but much more. For this, the Russian Federation has new air defense systems and modernized MiG-31s, which, even in the Soviet configuration, detected a Tomahawk walking around the terrain not from 25 km, but much more. Above the desert, both the rocket and the plane have nowhere to hide, there you cannot try to hide in the folds of the terrain, so that the target is visible there, if the air defense is not stoned, like British submariners
          1. THRONE Offline THRONE
            THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 5 March 2021 18: 11
            -10%
            Above the desert, a rocket and an aircraft can generally fly at an altitude of 10 meters, which, with the curvature of the earth, reduces the detection radius to less than ~ 10 km.
            1. Ronin Offline Ronin
              Ronin (Ronin) 5 March 2021 18: 19
              +4
              Young man, I have to disappoint you. At low altitudes, air resistance increases many times over, because of this, the high-speed target begins to experience serious stress on the glider, and the fuel consumption increases significantly. So if the Russian Sushki and French Mirages are capable of relatively high-speed flight at ultra-low altitudes, although the turbulence in the cockpit is adavaya, then the F-15's wings will fall off stupidly in such modes. ... The curvature of the Earth over which they love to joke around here plays not only against anti-aircraft gunners, the homing head of a rocket at ultra-low altitudes does not see anything, from that in the USSR they made rockets such as Granite, or Vulcan, with a leader rocket that went at a height and according to svogo radar station aimed at the target the entire flock, going below. The Tomahawk does not have such an opportunity, it is a lone rocket, and constant target designation from space is not realistic, the satellite comes and goes ...
              1. THRONE Offline THRONE
                THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 5 March 2021 18: 37
                -11%
                Do not write nonsense, at low altitudes they fly at subsonic speed, so there are no serious loads on the glider. If you fly in supersonic mode, you may not be able to fly home due to excessive consumption of fuel.
                US heavy fighters are capable of supersonic flight at low altitudes, you are stuck in the past.
                Granite can only hit contrasting targets, do not compare with the Tomahawk, which hits ground targets and which needs to transmit encrypted data for a few minutes from space.
                Do you think what you write ??? I have never met such an illiterate person. Everything you write can be multiplied by zero
                1. Ronin Offline Ronin
                  Ronin (Ronin) 5 March 2021 18: 42
                  +5
                  Young man, look at the performance characteristics of piston fighters, there is indicated the speed at altitude and near the ground, the latter is two times lower and this is for aircraft of 70 years ago, which are just a fly in size, compared to some kind of F-18 ... Yours, literacy '' is based only on Wikipedia, and there is often such nonsense written that it is ridiculous to read, because any drunk can change an article on Wiki ... Granite can also hit coastal targets, and the Tomahawk has an anti-ship modification, but not the point .. . Regarding dead reckoning flights, and about this you mention when flying a Tomahawk to a target, allegedly from a single transmission from the satellite of the target coordinates, that is, a side wind and other factors, if the rocket goes blind and will not be able to correct the course it will not get anywhere, the deviation from a given point can be under a hundred kilometers
                  1. THRONE Offline THRONE
                    THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 5 March 2021 18: 49
                    -8
                    What do you write at all ???
                    I explain that heavy jet fighters can deliver in the region of 1500 km per hour at low altitudes. This is common knowledge. And you tell me about piston)))))
                    1. Ronin Offline Ronin
                      Ronin (Ronin) 5 March 2021 18: 51
                      +4
                      I tell you that you cannot fly at such a speed at an altitude of 10 meters. Excessive fuel consumption. The turbulence in the cockpit is such that a very healthy and experienced pilot is needed, otherwise he will not cope with control. And finally, the plane itself can fall apart from overload. There is no sense in radar at such altitudes and flight over long distances at ultra-low altitudes is not possible, you will go astray
                      1. THRONE Offline THRONE
                        THRONE (Andrii Shevchyk) 5 March 2021 19: 01
                        -13%
                        Well, don't write to me anymore, I'm wasting my time on an illiterate person, YouTube is full of videos of supersonic flights near the ground.
                        Modern systems allow the aircraft to be controlled automatically without the participation of the pilot.
                      2. Ronin Offline Ronin
                        Ronin (Ronin) 5 March 2021 19: 22
                        +4
                        The autopilot is a good thing, but it will not replace a person, and the autopilot does not need data for piloting from a finger, and at such altitudes there is no sense from the radar. A single target designation from a satellite during long-range flights does not provide accuracy. A spectacular flight at an ultra-low altitude for the camera, on a short segment of the route and a flight over a long distance, are two different things, you should not confuse them.
  2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 23: 01
    +4
    An example is the news from January 2018, I quote the "Kommersant" newspaper: "In Khmeimim, four Su-24 bombers, two Su-35S fighters, an An-72 transport aircraft, and an ammunition depot were destroyed.

    Lying.
    No comment.
  3. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 March 2021 07: 44
    +3
    So, reading performance characteristics on Wikipedia does not mean becoming an expert. It can be stated that 90% of articles on military topics in Runet are illiterate fakes, most of the scribbled journalists do not understand what they are writing.

    As far as I understand, you are a representative of the Ukrainian military expert school?
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 17: 42
    -9
    Attack UAVs of Turkish and Israeli production caught our "Shells" either in a marching state or in an incapacitated state, destroyed and gave out a beautiful propaganda picture.




    Watching the video at 00:42 - Carapace in active state, destroyed.

    We watch the video at 1:11 minutes - the Carapace is in an active state, destroyed.

    We watch the video at 1:50 minutes - the Carapace is not only in an active state, but also fired back. Destroyed.

    In total, at least 3 cases of destruction of the Pantsir air defense system in a combat-ready position.

    For the sake of fairness, we note that the air defense missile system really has its own design flaws, caused by the fact that at the time of their design there were simply no such flying targets as UAVs.

    Sergey, drones have been actively used since the 80s, they have been in service in different countries even longer. So when the Shell was being designed, there were already drones.

    According to the specialized publication Defense News, the Pentagon organized an echeloned air defense system over the Ain al-Assad base, represented by the C-RAM, M1097 Avenger complexes and the notorious Patriot air defense systems.

    Could you have a link to the article as confirmation? Because the American leadership said after the strike that the Patriots were not at this base.

    But how did it happen that the most technologically advanced army in the world missed the self-made Katyusha, which drove up to the military base at a distance of only 8 kilometers?

    Well, somehow the Russian army missed the blow in 2018 on Khmeimim from mortars and MLRS?

    It reads:

    “On December 31, 2017, with the onset of darkness, the Khmeimim airfield came under sudden mortar fire from a mobile subversive group of militants. As a result of the shelling, two servicemen were killed, ”the ministry said (quoted by TASS).

    A RBC source in the Ministry of Defense said that one helicopter and an SU-24 were damaged during the attack. “The shelling was carried out from the MLRS [multiple launch rocket systems] from the de-escalation zone, mortars worked from the zone under the protection of the Syrians. Two of the dead are helicopter pilots, ”said the source of RBC in the Ministry of Defense.

    According to him, the watch around the base was organized "as expected." “Rocket projectiles knocked down, but mortar shots - it is almost impossible to shoot them down. [The effect of the attack will be] a complete clearing and expansion of the [protected] area [around the base]. When they shoot in the back, I'm not always ready for this.", - said the source.

    Next

    It's funny to read the explanations of people with a pro-American orientation that the base, they say, was not ready for this. They did not expect. That is, against the background of several recent attacks on US military personnel, the air defense missile system operators were dozing.

    First, look at the 2018 attack on Khmeimim above.

    Secondly, a missile from a self-made MLRS is a small target, but quick, it is much more difficult to spot it than a ballistic missile or a large drone.

    Doubts about the effectiveness of the American air defense systems do not stand in an empty place. Remember two years ago the Houthis launched a combined strike with missiles and UAVs on the largest oil field and refinery in Saudi Arabia, which is participating in military aggression against their country?

    We remember. And we also remember how


    During the Iraqi Freedom military operation, Patriot batteries were deployed at Camp Doha, Kuwait, for the missile defense of the coalition forces' headquarters. On March 27, 2003, this headquarters was hit by tactical missiles from Iraq. All missiles were successfully intercepted and destroyed by Patriot interceptor missiles.[

    In September 2014, the Israeli Patriot air defense system shot down a Su-24 SAVVS bomber, which flew into the territory of the Golan Heights occupied by Israel.

    In April 2017, an UAV was intercepted (shot down), which flew into the territory of the Golan Heights occupied by Israel from Syria.

    On July 11, 2018, a UAV that penetrated from Syria into the interior of Israel by about 10 km was shot down by the Patriot system

    On July 24, 2018, the Israeli air defense system Patriot shot down a Su-22 SAVVS aircraft that flew into Israeli airspace

    In June 2015, Patriot missiles successfully intercepted an R-17 ballistic missile fired into Saudi Arabia by the Houthi rebels.

    August 26: Another missile targeting Saudi Arabia is intercepted by the twin launch of the Patriots. In October, 1 missile successfully hit the airfield. 1 rocket fell in the desert.

    November 4, 2017: A Houthi launch of a ballistic missile at Riyadh International Airport was intercepted by MIM-104 Patriot interceptor missiles.

    But for some reason the turbopatriots do not remember this.

    In its own way, "touched" the explanation of the then US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo about the selectivity in the work of the vaunted "Patriots":

    What's so touching about this quote from Pompeo? He correctly said that air defense around the world is working with varying degrees of success. Like any military equipment in general.

    But what about the "curvature of the Earth", which supposedly interferes with Russian missiles?

    And no one would have joked if it were not for the bravura statements that the Syrian S-300 will reliably close the Syrian sky from Israeli aircraft.

    On November 23, 2020, they successfully attacked the distribution station of the state-owned oil and gas company Saudi Aramco. Needless to say, the Patriot air defense system continued to be "formidably silent"?

    Sergei, the attack on Saudi Aramco facilities was carried out using small drones. The Patriot, as such, is not designed to intercept such targets.
    1. Ronin Offline Ronin
      Ronin (Ronin) 5 March 2021 18: 06
      +3
      Kamikaze drones are not large, and Khmeimim was also fired from MLRS, recently, to no avail,
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 23: 20
      +2
      I explain, the detection radius of low-flying targets is only ~ 25 km,

      so the rocket is brought to this radius at a low altitude above the desert, it is not visible to radars, and then it goes out to the city, that's all. The urban development itself can reduce the detection radius at times.

      At the Petriot it is possible.
      Low-flying targets are perfectly tracked by Russian air defense systems, you have clearly outdated data.
    3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 23: 24
      +3
      We remember. And we also remember how

      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 12: 07
        -4
        What I am talking about is that the turbopatriots love to talk about the failures of the American air defense system, but not about their successes.

        Yes, the first use of the Patriot in 1991 during the Gulf War against the OTRK Scud was not too bad. And the Americans, contrary to the author of the video, did not keep silent about these failures.

        After that, the complex was modernized, and already in 2003, during the war in Iraq, this complex shot down the vast majority of missiles launched by Iraq.

        About the attack on the Saudi obscene object. It was carried out with the help of small-sized drones - the Patriot, in principle, is not intended to intercept such objects. For example, can you imagine such targets being hit by S-400 complexes? Exactly.
        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 14: 19
          +1
          About the attack on the Saudi obscene object. It was carried out using small drones - The Patriot is, in principle, not designed to intercept such objects. For example, can you imagine such targets being hit by S-400 complexes? Exactly.

          Let's talk frankly, the entire American air defense system is crap, nowhere and in any way has not shown itself over the past 20 years.

          One naked business selling military gadgets.
          In terms of cost-combat effectiveness, a waste of money.

          And yes tell us what the upgraded Patriot shot down there during the second Iraqi?? repeat
          With full control of the Iraqi sky by the coalition.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 14: 31
            -4
            Let's talk frankly, the entire American air defense system is crap, nowhere and in any way has not shown itself over the past 20 years.

            First, American anti-aircraft systems are actively used in real battles, and above I have given numerous examples of its successful use.

            Secondly, those who have not really shown themselves anywhere are the S-300 and S-400, which have no analogues in the world.

            Oh, no, I'm sorry. The S-300 has 1 (in words - one) case of combat use:

            During the armed conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh in 2020, the Azerbaijani S-300PMU2 complexes, according to official statements, were used to intercept R-17 missiles, while at least one missile was hit. At least two of these missiles were not intercepted and hit residential areas of the city of Ganja

            And yes, tell us what was shot down by the upgraded Patriot during the second Iraqi ?? feel
            With full control of the Iraqi sky by the coalition.

            I tell:

            During the Iraqi Freedom military operation, Patriot batteries were deployed at Camp Doha, Kuwait, for the missile defense of the coalition forces' headquarters. On March 27, 2003, this headquarters was hit by tactical missiles from Iraq. All missiles were successfully intercepted and destroyed by Patriot interceptor missiles.

            The last war with Iraq (2003) gave slightly different results. Iraq launched a total of 9 Scuds, all of which were shot down.
            1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 14: 36
              +2
              I tell:

              During the Iraqi Freedom military operation, Patriot batteries were deployed at Camp Doha, Kuwait, for the missile defense of the coalition forces' headquarters. On March 27, 2003, this headquarters was hit by tactical missiles from Iraq. All missiles were successfully intercepted and destroyed by Patriot interceptor missiles.

              The last war with Iraq (2003) gave slightly different results. Iraq launched a total of 9 Scuds, all of which were shot down.

              Are you serious??

              Will the ancient Scuds knock down the indicator of the combat effectiveness of the Petriots for you?
              Then sleep well, will arrive, you will not even have time to notice.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 14: 46
                -3
                Are you serious??

                Absolutely

                Will the ancient Scuds knock down the indicator of the combat effectiveness of the Petriots for you?

                First, it is not my fault that Iraq did not have other missiles at its disposal.

                Secondly, despite the impressive age of these missile systems, the speed of the Scud missile reaches Mach 5 (which, in general, makes it a hypersonic target).

                Thirdly, if the interception of the "ancient Scud" is not serious, then why two of these missiles could not be intercepted by the "unmatched in the world" S-2PMU300, which was developed already in the late 2s and, according to the manufacturer, is capable of fighting any ballistic goals?
                1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                  Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 15: 23
                  +2
                  Absolutely

                  Your right to be in blissful ignorance.
                  I will not take it away from you.

                  First, it is not my fault that Iraq did not have other missiles at its disposal.

                  Is it not your fault that you simply did not find other examples?
                  I'm ready to wait, look.

                  Secondly, despite the impressive age of these missile systems, the speed of the Scud missile reaches Mach 5 (which, in general, makes it a hypersonic target).

                  You should not fence in nonsense.
                  The maximum rocket speed is 1,7 km / s.

                  Thirdly, if the interception of the "ancient Scud" is not serious, then why two of these missiles could not be intercepted by the "unmatched in the world" S-2PMU300, which was developed already in the late 2s and, according to the manufacturer, is capable of fighting any ballistic goals?

                  And hell knows.
                  Hairy gorillas, who roamed about women more during their studies, controlled the "interception" with a great deal of confidence.
                  Remind me where it was.
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 15: 52
                    -4
                    Is it not your fault that you simply did not find other examples?
                    I'm ready to wait, look.

                    How can I find something that isn't there? In 2003, everything was bad in Iraq, only Scuds could be launched. This is not my fault again.

                    You shouldn't be stupid
                    The maximum rocket speed is 1,7 km / s.

                    The speed of sound in air averages 335 m / s. Divide 1700 by 335 or you weren't taught arithmetic at school either? If the latter, then here's the answer:

                    5.07

                    In total, the maximum speed of the Scud missile is 5 times the speed of sound.

                    And hell knows.
                    Hairy gorillas, who roamed about women more during their studies, controlled the "interception" with a great deal of confidence.

                    You turbopatriots have an interesting "logic".

                    If someone, including non-Russians, uses Russian air defense systems successfully, you begin to talk about the technical superiority of the air defense system.

                    If someone, including non-Russians, uses Russian air defense systems unsuccessfully, you talk about "hairy gorillas roaming around women."

                    So, the summary:

                    "Patriot" was used in many military conflicts, against various targets - ballistic missiles, aircraft, UAVs. There were both examples of misses and examples of successful application. Moreover, contrary to the opinion of the turbopatriots, there are still more of the latter, especially after the modernization of the complex.

                    The S-300 and S-400 do not have any experience of real combat use, with the exception of the case in the Karabakh conflict, in which one missile was hit and two were not.

                    But for some reason, despite the almost complete (and in statistical terms - complete) absence of examples of the real combat effectiveness of Russian air defense systems, the turbopatriots for some reason conclude that they are superior to American systems.
                    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                      Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 16: 08
                      +1
                      How can I find something that isn't there? In 2003, everything was bad in Iraq, only Scuds could be launched. This is not my fault again.

                      You are building a mythology about the effectiveness of American weapons on the basis of the shooting down of ancient "Scuds" by the Petriot many years ago.

                      This is, sorry, your fault .
                      The only question is, deliberately lying (on the content), or out of stupidity (ignorance of the essence of the issue)
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 16: 24
                        -3
                        You are building a mythology about the effectiveness of American weapons on the basis of the shooting down of ancient "Scuds" by the Petriot many years ago.

                        Well, the S-300 PMU2, which has no analogue in the world, also did not cope very well with the Scuds.

                        Secondly, I gave examples of the destruction of other targets by the Patriots.

                        Thirdly, the S-400, which has no analogue in the world, does not even have such examples of combat use. But for some reason this does not prevent you and other turbopatriots from "building a mythology" that Russian S-400s will "kick ass" any "aggressors".
                      2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                        Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 16: 32
                        +1
                        Well, the S-300 PMU2, which has no analogue in the world, also did not cope very well with the Scuds.

                        Where ??
                        Feel free to answer ..

                        There were no other targets, there were reports.
                        Unconfirmed.
                        But I am ready to return to your statements, remind me.

                        Thirdly, the S-400, which has no analogue in the world, does not even have such examples of combat use.

                        Those standing in line for their purchase are apparently not familiar with your "authoritative" opinion. wink
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 16: 50
                        -3
                        Where ??
                        Feel free to answer ..

                        Are you in trouble reading again?

                        During the armed conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh in 2020, the Azerbaijani S-300PMU2 systems, according to official statements, were used to intercept R-17 missiles, while at least one missile was hit]. At least two of these missiles were not intercepted and hit residential areas of the city of Ganja.

                        Those standing in line for their purchase are apparently not familiar with your "authoritative" opinion

                        If for you the number of operators is a measure of the effectiveness of an air defense system, then here is:

                        The S-400 is in service with 3 countries (Russia, China, Turkey), 6 more countries may purchase it in the future. Total only 9.

                        "Patriot" is in service with 12 countries, the purchase of this air defense system by Poland is also possible. Total, total 13.

                        And what did this indicator give you?
                      4. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                        Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 17: 24
                        +2
                        During the armed conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh in 2020, the Azerbaijani S-300PMU2 complexes, according to official statements, were used to intercept R-17 missiles, while at least one missile was hit. At least two of these missiles were not intercepted and hit residential areas of the city of Ganja.

                        Azerbaijani propaganda.
                        There are no documented photographs, as well as other evidence.

                        "Patriot" is in service with 12 countries, it is also possible to purchase this air defense system Poland. Total, total 13.

                        And what did this indicator give you?

                        For Poland, I can only rejoice sitting in Kaliningrad.
                        An enemy with useless weapons is less efficient in any way.
                      5. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 17: 45
                        -3
                        Azerbaijani propaganda.
                        There are no documented photographs, as well as other evidence.

                        Well, the beginning.

                        The fact of strikes on Ganja is confirmed by:

                        https://ria.ru/20201017/gyandzha-1580226918.html?in=t

                        And you can be happy for Poland as much as you like. But she plans to adopt an air defense system that had experience of successful use in real hostilities, and Kaliningrad is protected by an air defense system that does not have such experience.
                      6. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                        Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 17: 55
                        +1
                        The fact of strikes on Ganja is confirmed by:

                        Doesn't have propaganda.
                      7. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 18: 03
                        -3
                        laughing laughing

                        - There are no documented photographs, as well as other evidence!

                        “Here's the evidence: photographs of destroyed houses, missile fragments.

                        - No proof, propaganda!

                        After that, what can you talk about with a turbo patriot?
                    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                      Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 18: 07
                      +1
                      And you can be happy for Poland as much as you like. But she plans to adopt an air defense system that had experience of successful use in real hostilities, and Kaliningrad is protected by an air defense system that does not have such experience.

                      A useless weapon of a potential adversary can only delight ..
                    3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 18: 09
                      -4
                      Yes, rejoice, rejoice. Dementia and courage are your everything.
            2. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 16: 52
              -4
              There were no other goals, there were reports.
              Unconfirmed.
              But I am ready to return to your statements, remind me.

              Don't lie so brazenly

              I quote again:

              In September 2014, the Israeli Patriot air defense system shot down a Su-24 SAVVS bomber, which flew into the territory of the Golan Heights occupied by Israel.

              In April 2017, an UAV was intercepted (shot down), which flew into the territory of the Golan Heights occupied by Israel from Syria.

              On July 11, 2018, a UAV that penetrated from Syria into the interior of Israel by about 10 km was shot down by the Patriot system

              On July 24, 2018, the Israeli air defense system Patriot shot down a Su-22 SAVVS aircraft that flew into Israeli airspace

              In June 2015, Patriot missiles successfully intercepted an R-17 ballistic missile fired into Saudi Arabia by the Houthi rebels.

              August 26: Another missile targeting Saudi Arabia is intercepted by the twin launch of the Patriots. In October, 1 missile successfully hit the airfield. 1 rocket fell in the desert.

              November 4, 2017: A Houthi launch of a ballistic missile at Riyadh International Airport was intercepted by MIM-104 Patriot interceptor missiles.

              These are all confirmed goals.
            3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 18: 02
              +1
              In September 2014, the Israeli Patriot air defense system shot down a Su-24 SAVVS bomber, which flew into the territory of the Golan Heights occupied by Israel.

              It is mean to shoot down a lost Syrian bomber, that's all for you.

              Continue to continue?
            4. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 18: 04
              -4
              Ahahah)) No further, do not continue. Your intelligence level is already clear.
            5. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 18: 15
              +2
              Ahahah)) No further, do not continue. Your intelligence level is already clear.

              But I just laid out the necessary documents in a row, prepared for the discussion.
              And here it is, another Internet balabol.

              EGE + level

              smile
            6. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 18: 20
              -3
              But I just laid out the necessary documents in a row, prepared for the discussion.

              You do not have any "necessary documents". If they were, they would have posted it long ago. You can bluff Isophat or 123 to cheat, although even they will recognize him.

              And here it is, another Internet balabol.

              Yes, you described yourself well. But you shouldn't be proud of it.
            7. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 18: 34
              +1
              You are clearly nervous.
              Realizing that they were wrong.

              The transition to personalities is not the topic, disorderly throwing is not at all a plus for you.

              Sick lonely individual ??
            8. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 18: 36
              -3
              You are clearly nervous.
              Realizing that they were wrong.

              A good attempt to shift from a sore head to a healthy one, but you didn't succeed.

              First, learn to divide 1700 by 335 - then start arguing.

              You are clearly nervous.
              Realizing that they were wrong.

              You - most likely, yes.
            9. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 18: 40
              +1
              A good attempt to shift from a sore head to a healthy one, but you didn't succeed.

              First, learn to divide 1700 by 335 - then start arguing.

              You are clearly nervous.
              Realizing that they were wrong.

              You - most likely, yes.

              Judging by the nervous reaction, you are still nervous.

              Forgetting about the topic.
            10. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 19: 13
              -3
              Forgetting about the topic.

              You have already done so many times in this topic that it makes no sense to continue it with you.
            11. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 21: 24
              0
              You have already done so many times in this topic that it makes no sense to continue it with you.

              The usual excuse for "God's chosen".
              No one talked to you, they themselves pinned repeat
            12. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 21: 32
              -2
              No one talked to you, they themselves pinned

              Actually, it was you who responded to my comment, not me to yours. Do you also have memory gaps?
            13. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 8 March 2021 14: 27
              0
              I am in a good mood.
              It's a holiday, but you have longing and sand. tongue
    4. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 18: 51
      +1
      First, learn to divide 1700 by 335 - then start arguing.

      This is what?
    5. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 19: 12
      -3
      Oh, you start to imitate forgetfulness. It's about this:

      I am:

      The speed of the Scud missile reaches Mach 5 (which, in general, makes it a hypersonic target)

      Are you:

      You should not fence in nonsense.
      The maximum rocket speed is 1,7 km / s.

      Divide 1700 m / s by 335 m / s (the speed of sound under normal conditions) and look at the resulting number.
    6. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 21: 12
      0
      Divide 1700 m / s by 335 m / s (the speed of sound under normal conditions) and look at the resulting number.

      Will you announce the number you are shy about ??
    7. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 21: 32
      -3
      I voiced this number in another comment. The fact that you cannot read is not my problem.

      But if you are having trouble calculating yourself, then:

      1700: 335 = 5,07

      Scud's maximum speed is 5 times the speed of sound.

    8. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 22: 19
      0
      Scud's maximum speed is 5 times the speed of sound.

      Three cars, two apartments, a house.
      in good faith, he must tell about his happy present.
      We are waiting with
    9. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 22: 21
      -2
      Three cars, two apartments, a house

      I'm not interested in what your parents bought you out of toys.

      in good faith, he must tell about his happy present.

      So go and ask him.
    10. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 8 March 2021 14: 29
      +1
      I'm not interested in what your parents bought you out of toys.

      Taki himself, all by himself.
      Excessive work, do you panim?

      Do you have a crooked car and a loan for a shack in Tel Aviv?
      Stick, what did you lose on the Russian-language site?
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 14: 43
    +1
    Firstly, American anti-aircraft systems are actively used in real battles, and above I have given numerous examples of its successful use.

    Examples of those are few and refer to one war, where the allies have been controlling the skies of Iraq for many years.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 14: 52
      -3
      Examples of those are few and refer to one war, where the allies have been controlling the skies of Iraq for many years.

      Can't you read? I will give those examples again:

      During the military operation "Iraqi Freedom" batteries of Patriots were deployed at the Kuwaiti Camp Doha for missile defense of the headquarters of the coalition forces. On March 27, 2003, this headquarters was hit by tactical missiles from Iraq. All missiles were successfully intercepted and destroyed by Patriot interceptor missiles.

      In September 2014 years Israeli air defense system Patriot shot down a Su-24 SAVVS bomber, which flew into the territory of the Golan Heights occupied by Israel.

      At 2017 year was intercepted (shot down) UAV, which flew into the Israeli-occupied territory of the Golan Heights from Syria.

      11 July 2018 year The UAV, which penetrated from Syria into the interior of Israel for about 10 km, was shot down by the Patriot system

      24 July 2018 year Israeli air defense system Patriot shot down a Su-22 SAVVS aircraft that flew into Israeli airspace

      In June, the 2015 Patriot missiles successfully intercepted an R-17 ballistic missile fired into Saudi Arabia by the Houthi rebels.

      26 August: Another missile, aimed at Saudi Arabia, was intercepted by the twin launch of the Patriots. In October, 1 missile successfully hit the airfield. 1 rocket fell in the desert.

      4 November 2017: A Houthi launch of a ballistic missile at Riyadh International Airport was intercepted by MIM-104 Patriot interceptor missiles.

      The examples I gave cover 3 military conflicts at once:

      - The 2003 war in Iraq.
      - The war in Syria;
      - The war in Yemen.

      And I have not yet cited this as an example of the successful interception of missiles and aircraft by the Patriots during the First Gulf War in 1991. And there were a lot of these facts too.

      And now the question is - can you give as many examples of the successful use of the S-300 or S-400 in real combat?
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 7 March 2021 09: 07
    +5
    Watching the video at 00:42 - Carapace in active state, destroyed.

    Look for car tracks at 00:42 and 00:52. In the first case, the track is decently "natopton", then it miraculously disappears, leaving a single track. Dee is shooting from a different angle.
    I don’t see any sense in further disassembling your stupid lies, it’s already got enough. How long can you poke your own puddle? Don't you even have the rudiments of a conscience?
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 09: 20
      -3
      Look for car tracks at 00:42 and 00:52. In the first case, the track is decently "Natopton", then it miraculously disappears, leaving a single track.

      There is one and the same simple double track - this can be seen at the moment when the camera moves away. And the "well-trodden segment" simply ceases to be visible because of the explosion.

      And the shooting is carried out from a moving UAV - naturally, the angle also changes.

      I don’t see any sense in disassembling your stupid lies,

      Naturally, after all, in the second 2 cases indicated by me, even these nit-picking of yours will not work.

      How long can you poke your own puddle?

      The only thing that you take me into are trying poking is into the consequences of your age-related incontinence. True, your attempts are so miserable that they cause only a mean tear. No, first laughter, and then a niggardly tear of sympathy.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 7 March 2021 09: 36
        +3
        There is one and the same simple double track - this can be seen at the moment when the camera moves away. And the "well-trodden segment" simply ceases to be visible because of the explosion.

        After the "end of the outbreak", the trail did not change.

        And the shooting is carried out from a moving UAV - naturally, the angle also changes.

        Moreover, it changes quite characteristically. The car is being monitored. Then suddenly the angle changes and what the rocket hits is not visible. These are two taped entries.
        You are a disgusting liar. negative

        Naturally, after all, in the second 2 cases indicated by me, even these nit-picking of yours will not work.

        The first case indicated is a lie. Why disassemble further? Do you work on the principle - lie more will something stick?
        Goodbye liar, communicating with you is disgusting.
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 09: 49
          -3
          After the "end of the outbreak", the trail did not change.

          The flashlight prevents you from seeing the trail near the car until the end of this video.

          The fact that it is the same object is indicated by a series of dark spots located behind the car. They are noticeable both during the distance of the camera, and at the moment of the explosion and after it, when the shooting was carried out from a different angle.

          They are one and the same object. The location of the track relative to a number of dark spots behind it confirms this.

          Moreover, it changes quite characteristically. The car is being monitored.

          The vehicle can be guided from several sources at once.

          The first case indicated is a lie. Why disassemble further?

          Indeed, why disassemble further?) After all, the following examples do not leave you a "maneuver" for innuendo with "gluing", etc. There you can clearly see that the missiles are hitting the working Shells.

          Goodbye liar, communicating with you is disgusting.

          "Goodbye" is written, firstly, "patriot" homegrown.

          Secondly, of course, it is disgusting to communicate with me - you are constantly dipping your pug into your own ... uh ... substance.
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 22: 58
    0
    Wars in Syria and Libya questioned the effectiveness of Russian air defense systems. Attack UAVs of Turkish and Israeli production caught our "Pantsiri" either in a marching state or in an incapacitated state, destroyed and gave out a beautiful propaganda picture.

    The author must either remove the cross, or put on panties.
    In one phrase, I contrived to question the effectiveness of Russian weapons and point out what these doubts feed on. laughing

    The queue for the "Shells" in the face of direct opposition from the United States speaks for itself.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 March 2021 07: 42
      0
      Quote: Ulysses
      The author must either remove the cross, or put on panties.

      I myself will figure out what to do in life and how to do my job.
      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 6 March 2021 20: 34
        +1
        I myself will figure out what to do in life and how to do my job.

        You won't deny me the right to continue to have your own assessment of your handicrafts, will you?
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 8 March 2021 15: 00
    0
    “The Houthis blasted the MRBM in the city of Al-Khubar (in response to the barbaric strikes of the Saudi air force on the residential areas of Sana'a, these camel ... Phils cannot do otherwise). About the Aramko oil refinery. The air defense slept as usual. "

    https://twitter.com/StasSwanky…8475929601
    https://glav.su/forum/5/1683/unread/#unread

    Wait, the trolleys will come running shouting "it can't be" .. smile
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  • Solomon Offline Solomon
    Solomon (alexey salomon) 2 May 2021 05: 21
    -1
    First, I find out who the author of the article is and decide to read it or not ...