The American analogue of the Russian "Shell" could not shoot down 10 missiles in Iraq


On the morning of March 3, 2021, the American base of Ain al-Assad in Iraq came under a massive rocket attack. To protect the base, the C-RAM anti-aircraft cannon systems were used, which are a kind of tactical US air defense, the American newspaper The New York Times writes, referring to the Pentagon.


In the course of repelling the strike, 10 enemy ammunition still managed to hit a military facility, causing property damage. In addition, one soldier died of a heart attack.

C-RAM should be good at protecting objects from missiles, artillery and mortar attacks, by destroying enemy ammunition during their flight. But they do not have an efficiency of 100%, however, this is understandable.

However, what happened is a real concern. During the investigation, it was established that the shelling of the base was carried out from a distance of approximately 8 kilometers. Combing the area revealed a makeshift launcher based on a pickup truck, from which the attack was carried out. The handicraft MLRS was designed to launch 10 rockets. The car burned out during the launch of ammunition, which often happens with a similar technique, summed up the media from the United States.

Note that it is precisely this circumstance that raises questions. Was there a massive attack at all? If not, why couldn't the C-RAM shoot down a measly 10 missiles, the same handicraft as the MLRS they were launched with? Moreover, this is far from the first shelling of the said base and other American facilities in Iraq. For example, in December 2020, during the shelling of the Green Zone in Baghdad, one of the jet ammunition was detonated near the ground. At this moment, the American counterparts of the Russian "Pantsir" were just intercepting, repelling the attack. After that, doubts arose about the reliability of this air defense system, and given the new information, these fears only increased.


We remind you that recently Americans published previously unknown aerial footage of the aforementioned al-Assad base during an unprecedented Iranian missile strike on the site on January 8, 2020.
  • Photos used: Kajmal / wikimedia.org
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  1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 4 March 2021 21: 05
    +7
    one died of a heart attack ... the rest apparently just screwed up lol
  2. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 4 March 2021 21: 25
    -13%
    But they do not have an efficiency of 100%, however, this is understandable.

    No air defense system in the world has 100% efficiency. "Armor" in the same way allowed missiles and small-sized drones to pass through both Syria and Karabakh.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 07: 03
      +1
      In the course of repelling the strike, 10 enemy ammunition still managed to hit a military facility, causing property damage.
      Combing the area revealed a makeshift launcher based on a pickup truck, from which the attack was carried out. The handicraft MLRS was designed to launch 10 rockets.

      But there is "ZRS" with efficiency ZERO! laughing
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 08: 17
        -4
        Such air defense systems do not exist.
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 08: 26
          +2
          Those. an article about a non-existent system? laughing

          During the war with Iraq, the URO frigate Jerret was honored to defend the battleship Missouri.
          On a dark winter night, the 1991 of Missouri calmly spud Iraqi shores from its monstrous 406-mm cannons. The Iraqis sent their cruel “hi” to the battleship - two Hayin anti-ship missiles (a Chinese copy of the Soviet Termite P-15 with an increased range of fire). The first missile was intercepted by a British destroyer, the second disappeared somewhere along the way (the EW battleship of the battleship turned on). The Gerreth frigate was especially notable: the Phalanx anti-aircraft machine gun mounted on it was so keen on hunting anti-ship missiles that the battleship standing in the line of fire did not notice and fired Missouri with a fiery shower.

          The stupid story happened 4 June 1996 of the year. American sailors taught their Japanese counterparts to use the Phalanx. The task is to get from an anti-aircraft machine into a towed air cone. It was only necessary to charge the gun and turn on the power in time - the smart machine will do the rest on its own. But even here they managed to spoil everything.
          The Yugiri squadron officer pressed the “Glory to the robots!” Button too early! Kill all people! ”,“ Phalanx ”came to life and joyfully buzzed, spinning a block of trunks.
          The Japanese announced on the radio: "Banzai!"
          American pilots replied: ...

          The innocent victim of Japanese aggression Grumman A-6 Intruder
          The deck attack aircraft A-6 "Intruder" was mercilessly cut in half, after which the Phalanx lost interest in the towing vehicle and began to make holes in the target cone. It was this circumstance that gave the pilots a chance to eject by some miracle. When the power of the Falans was cut down, only two white spots of parachute domes swayed among the waves ...
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 08: 43
            0
            And where in these Petrosyan quotes is there something about null the effectiveness of the air defense system?
            1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
              Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 08: 51
              +1
              Knock Knock! Is there anyone at home? 10 missiles were fired and all hit! I'd rather talk to a brick. at least he does not ask stupid questions in response.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 09: 04
                -2
                Knock Knock! Is there anyone at home?

                You probably don't.

                10 rockets were fired and all hit!

                To think of the idea that because of the short flight time (the launcher was installed at a distance of 8 km), the calculation simply did not have time to react, religion does not allow you?

                I'd rather talk to a brick.

                Well, yes, you are of the same tribe :)
                1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                  Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 09: 26
                  -1
                  Read the performance characteristics "Centurion" C-RAM for a start. it is not the calculation that responds, but the computer. the calculation only includes the socket.
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 09: 33
                    -1
                    I read:

                    There was a case in Afghanistan when, due to inconsistent actions of the radar operator early warning and control officer and misjudgment of the situation, before on duty calculation of ZAK Centurion C-RAM information was not communicated on the shelling of 122-mm rockets from the Grad launcher, launched by the Taliban from artisanal launchers. As a result of the fall of two shells in the territory controlled by the Americans, there were killed and wounded.

                    https://topwar.ru/154864-zenitnaja-artillerijskaja-ustanovka-centurion-c-ram-somnitelnaja-jeffektivnost-na-fone-zajavlenij-ob-uspehah.html

                    If you do not expect an attack at all, especially from such a close distance, then even if you have Skynet installed there, the system will miss the shells.
                    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                      Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 09: 43
                      0
                      TTX where? I'm not interested in reading about how Americans were undecided about the scent of a condom.
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 09: 51
                        -1
                        Performance characteristics where

                        Well, find it, what am I to you?
                    2. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
                      Piramidon (Stepan) 5 March 2021 10: 44
                      +2
                      Quote: Cyril
                      If you don't expect an attack at all

                      And what did they expect after being shelled several times?
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 10: 45
                        -3
                        Maintaining the garrison in a state of constant combat readiness in a country where active hostilities are not being conducted (in Iraq) is irrational.
                      2. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
                        Piramidon (Stepan) 5 March 2021 10: 48
                        +2
                        "Gogi, who are you for, for me or for the bear?" laughing
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 10: 48
                        -3
                        Why are you doing this?
                      4. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
                        Piramidon (Stepan) 5 March 2021 14: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: Cyril
                        Why are you doing this?

                        To the fact that you fiercely defend and justify the Yankees. Or are you broadcasting from overseas, from your new homeland and they are close to you.
                      5. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 14: 50
                        -5
                        To the fact that you fiercely defend and justify the Yankees

                        There is no protection. There is a trolling of cheers for patriots.

                        Or are you broadcasting from across the ocean, from your new homeland and they are close to you.

                        Leave your speculations to yourself.
                      6. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
                        Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 5 March 2021 15: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        To the fact that you fiercely defend and justify the Yankees. Or are you broadcasting from overseas, from your new homeland and they are close to you.

                        Not at all! just Kiryushenka - Tsipsoshnik pours out his bile on sites like Reporter, IN ... He is forgiven - "little ishsho" (c)
                      7. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 15: 50
                        -3
                        just Kiryushenka - Tsipsoshnik

                        Whoever has what hurts, he talks about that. Don't broadcast your problems to me.
              2. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
                Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 5 March 2021 15: 30
                0
                Quote: Cyril
                Maintaining the garrison in a state of constant combat readiness in a country where active hostilities are not being conducted (in Iraq) is irrational.

                Boy, did you serve in the army? fool
                For reference: the degree of combat readiness for ALL units and subdivisions of the RF Armed Forces, not on alert - CONSTANT! Maybe there are active hostilities in the Russian Federation? Or is there something I don't know? soldier
              3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 15: 52
                -2
                Boy, did you serve in the army?

                Yes.

                the degree of combat readiness for ALL units and subdivisions of the RF Armed Forces that are not on alert is PERMANENT!

                Thanks for correcting. Yes, that's right, he confused it with "full combat readiness." However, we are talking about an American base, not a Russian one, right?
            2. shinobi Offline shinobi
              shinobi (Yuri) 6 March 2021 04: 16
              +1
              Are there no hostilities in Iraq? Officially, there is no war and there is no real war, these are different phenomena. The bases are bombarded constantly. Or am I missing something? I don’t understand? Or how?
              PS: The Yankees do not have a normal military air defense, and this is not a secret. America does not fight with an enemy who can give concrete backlash. And it has never fought in principle.
            3. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 6 March 2021 05: 07
              -1
              America is not at war with an adversary who can give concrete backlash.

              The Pacific War, Vietnam, and the First Iraqi War refute this claim.

              Is there no military action in Iraq? Officially, there is no war and there is no real war, these are different phenomena.

              Not being conducted. There is a terrorist danger, but there is no military action.
            4. shinobi Offline shinobi
              shinobi (Yuri) 6 March 2021 07: 48
              +1
              The United States fought Japan alone, no one helped? No? At the beginning of the war, Vietnam did not have any serious armed forces, again, the economic component is incomparable. How did it end for the United States, remember? In reality, China and the USSR gave the Yankees in the teeth. they were mortified, since Russia was solving its problems, and China, in principle, did not intervene anywhere.
            5. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 6 March 2021 12: 45
              -4
              The USA fought Japan alone, no one helped?

              What is this argument from the nursery?

              Vietnam at the beginning of the war there were no serious armed forces, again the economic component is incomparable. Remember?

              We remember. In the same way that Afghanistan ended for the USSR, and for the Russian Federation - the First Chechen War.
            6. shinobi Offline shinobi
              shinobi (Yuri) 7 March 2021 02: 55
              +1
              For your level, the argument.
            7. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 7 March 2021 07: 56
              -2
              For your level, the argument.

              Don't attribute your level of development to me.
        2. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
          Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 6 March 2021 19: 20
          0
          if we hadn't helped North Vietnam, the Americans would have won ... if the Americans hadn't armed the spirits in Afghanistan, we might have won. Why comparisons? There are no one-on-one wars now.
  • Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 6 March 2021 19: 16
    -1
    judging by the number of minuses, it's true ... also in Libya. It only warms our souls that we were not in the calculations, that the Emirates resold bullshit, etc.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 4 March 2021 22: 51
    -3
    They already wrote everywhere
    It was not a serviceman who died, but civilian personnel.
    8 km - approach / launch missed - the time of arrival is 10-30 seconds. If they were not on alert, then even more so they could not react.

    The anonymous article indirectly confirms this - "The handicraft MLRS was designed to launch 10 rockets." - 10 and hit, and the shooting began for sure when it was already too late. And the people from the sudden fright of that ...

    By the way, I strongly doubt the application of the article that C-RAM should shoot down both mines and shells. Especially the last ones.
    1. 123 Online 123
      123 (123) 4 March 2021 23: 04
      +1
      They already wrote everywhere
      It was not a serviceman who died, but civilian personnel.

      It's fresh. There they wrote about the death of a civilian and the injury of a serviceman.

      March 3 morning 2021 US Ain al-Assad base in Iraq comes under massive missile attack
    2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 07: 10
      0
      C-RAM (Counter Rocket, Artillery, and Mortar) is a type of tactical air defense (AA), consisting in protection from missiles, artillery and mortar attacks by destroying the corresponding ballistic targets during their flight ...
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 5 March 2021 09: 21
        0
        Thank. Indeed ... it should with some probability.
    3. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 5 March 2021 15: 47
      +2
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      If they were not on alert, then even more so they could not react.

      Latyshev, do not write nonsense! what is this air defense unit that is not "on alert"? And in what readiness was it? The object is military, mind you (!!) (not an object!), The air defense may not be ready for reflection only on the march (Does not apply to the Russian TOP-1M), when the ammunition space is expended (which should not be with the competent organization of air defense, including - facility), during repair and storage. Cases of crew insanity are not considered.
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      2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 6 March 2021 08: 51
        0
        Haha. Just on the VO article yesterday, with reference to the Chinese, that the air defense and security were not ready, so they missed everything ...
  • 123 Online 123
    123 (123) 4 March 2021 23: 07
    +6
    The earth is burning under the feet of the occupiers, and this is normal. We are waiting for comments from America's friends about the fact that the Iraqis are to blame, they did not provide protection for the elves, and their air defense is actually good.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 08: 20
      -2
      We are waiting for comments from America's friends about the fact that the Iraqis are to blame, they did not provide the protection of the elves, and their air defense is actually good.

      But this is what the "patriots of Russia" used to say every time another "Shell" was blown up in Syria, Libya and Karabakh. They say that the Syrians / Libyans / Armenians did not organize the proper defense, etc.
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 08: 36
        0
        Should Russian complexes be able to shoot in the stowed position and without ammunition?
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 09: 08
          -1
          https://www.interfax.ru/world/646998

          Here it is shown how the "Shell" is quite fired back by real rockets. However, he was amazed.
          1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
            Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 09: 40
            0
            Russian analysts believe that the Israelis hit the Shell while it was reloading. The ammunition load of the complex is 12 missiles. One vehicle is on average capable of destroying 6 targets, then reloading is required. This can take 10 to 20 minutes.
            There was a specific goal - to destroy the "shell".
            that is, it is enough to fire 7 missiles and the seventh will hit. There are no endless "patrons" even in Hollywood. Knock Knock! is there anyone at home?
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 09: 48
              0
              Russian analysts believe that the Israelis hit the Shell while it was reloading.

              Well, that's better. Before that, you stated that all the "Shells" were struck exclusively in the stowed position and without ammunition.

              Knock Knock! is there anyone at home?

              Why are you doing this with your head?
              1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 10: 08
                -1
                and at the time of reloading and without ammunition is not the same thing? Knock Knock! is there anyone at home?
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 10: 12
                  -1
                  and at the time of reloading and without ammunition, not the same thing?

                  The video clearly shows that the complex was blown up during active resistance. Your eyes don't work?

                  Knock Knock! is there anyone at home?

                  Don't bang yourself on the head, it hurts. Although, if there is solid bone ...
                  1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                    Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 10: 20
                    0
                    laughing read carefully what is written above again.
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 10: 31
                      +1
                      read carefully what is written above again.

                      I'm reading.

                      and at the time of reloading and without ammunition, not the same thing?

                      I am watching a video. The complex fires 2 missiles, then is blown up. No reloading, active counter-stage.
                      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 11: 06
                        0
                        were these the first 2 missiles or the last? and what should the reload look like ??? Do the Jews have to record a full video for you from the moment the complex leaves the hangar until the destruction? You can throw shit in a tank so it drowns.
                      2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 11: 12
                        0
                        were these the first 2 missiles or the last?

                        Or maybe they were 2 medium rockets? Who knows.

                        Do the Jews have to record a full video for you from the moment the complex leaves the hangar until the destruction?

                        They don't owe me anything. It is you who must provide evidence that the air defense system was in a discharged state and could not fight.
                      3. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 11: 29
                        0
                        Read above! and at the same time prove that the American pukalka physically could not shoot down missiles at a distance of 8 km, although it was intended for this. disputes of Negroes do not apply to TTX.
                      4. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 11: 41
                        0
                        Read above!

                        Read what? Your speculation?

                        and at the same time prove that the American pukalka physically could not shoot down missiles at a distance of 8 km

                        Physically, I could. As well as "Pantsir" could physically shoot down UAVs and missiles that knocked it out.
                    2. 123 Online 123
                      123 (123) 5 March 2021 11: 47
                      +3
                      No one owes you anything. you should provide proof that the filming is genuine and that the unit has been charged. Otherwise, he found an activist, pasted a cartoon from Twitter, and everyone already owes him.
                    3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 11: 56
                      -1
                      You must provide proof that the filming is genuine and that the complex has been charged.

                      laughing And then prove my proofs, and then prove the proofs of my proofs, and so on ad infinitum, because you can't get through a real turbo patriot?)

                      and that the complex was charged.

                      The complex was blown up when two missiles were fired. This is quite enough.

                      Otherwise, he found an activist, pasted a cartoon from Twitter, and everyone already owes him.

                      All - no. Only "Bayun" :) He also claims that the Shell was discharged.
                    4. 123 Online 123
                      123 (123) 5 March 2021 12: 05
                      +3
                      Do not flood little respected, we are not dismantling the Shell.
                    5. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 12: 08
                      -3
                      Do not flood little respected, we are not dismantling the Shell.

                      And I analyze the American air defense system through its relationship with the Russian one. Analogy - you know such a word?
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                  2. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
                    Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 5 March 2021 16: 36
                    +3
                    Quote: Cyril
                    And I analyze the American air defense system through its relationship with the Russian one. Analogy - you know such a word?

                    Comparing ... with the Russian air defense missile system? Oh well! But it will not work to smear the Russian air defense missile system - do not try! He ("Carapace") has already established itself for a long time, it is not in vain that a line is lined up for them!
                2. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
                  Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 5 March 2021 16: 32
                  +4
                  Quote: 123
                  Do not flood little respected, we are not dismantling the Shell.

                  Pay no attention, dear! When a Jew is pinned against the wall, he always tries to divert the conversation from the original topic. At least, translate the topic to "myself!" They are taught from an early age the art of arguing with the goyim - we are with you. One of THEIR most important principles is to LIE !! To lie to the goyim is a blessing! And lie so that even his rabbi would believe! That's just bad luck: I, for example, KNOW that Kiryusha's task on this site is to sow negativity! and therefore - I know - he is a LIAR! and this belief ... I have NO!
                3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 16: 55
                  -5
                  Adolf, pereloginsya laughing
  • 123 Online 123
    123 (123) 5 March 2021 11: 44
    +2
    Bayun, spit on this troll. You have not noticed how from the heroic penguins moved to the discussion of the Carapace. And already you prove something to him, and not he tries to justify the elves.
    ps Too lazy to look again ... If I'm not mistaken in the view above .. there are two different shots gluing together. Leonkov, in my opinion, analyzed it in detail.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 12: 00
      -5
      You have not noticed how from the heroic penguins went to the discussion of the Carapace.

      Oh, you already have "penguins" from somewhere, although we were not talking about them at all :) Do you have another attack of hallucinations?

      there gluing two different shots.

      Where is the gluing? In the part of the video, where the air defense missile system is shown from a frontal projection, you can see how it fires 2 missiles, and then undermines. Then there is a gluing, and only then the air defense system is shown from a side projection and again its explosion.
    2. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 5 March 2021 16: 42
      +5
      Quote: Cyril
      Oh, you already have "penguins" from somewhere, although we were not talking about them at all :) Do you have another attack of hallucinations?

      Don't shy away, you know perfectly well who are called "penguins"! again - eristics "according to the commandments of the Torah?" but in essence?
    3. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 16: 57
      -6
      you know perfectly well who are called "penguins"!

      No, fortunately, I don't understand the delusional metaphors of turbopatriots.

      "according to the commandments of the Torah?"

      Take it wider - according to the precepts of the "Protocol of the Elders of Zion" :)
  • Piramidon Offline Piramidon
    Piramidon (Stepan) 5 March 2021 14: 16
    +3
    Quote: Just Cat
    Should Russian complexes be able to shoot in the stowed position and without ammunition?

    In his opinion, they should shoot even while in pits and without crews.
  • Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
    Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 5 March 2021 15: 54
    +1

    Quote: Just Cat
    Russian complexes should be able to shoot in the stowed position

    And they can! and by the way - excellent, while hitting targets! TOP-1M, TOP-M2 !, meet! True, not without BC.
  • 123 Online 123
    123 (123) 5 March 2021 11: 28
    +1
    But this is what the "patriots of Russia" used to say every time another "Shell" was blown up in Syria, Libya and Karabakh. They say that the Syrians / Libyans / Armenians did not organize the proper defense, etc.

    It may very well be that the Yankees' little hands seem to grow from an even more wrong place than the "Syrians / Libyans / Armenians". But the Syrians have a slightly more advanced adversary in technical terms than the barmaley in carts firing at the Americans, while in Karabakh and Libya they are more likely partisans.
    You chose a pretty comparison for your superiors. laughing Will there be no trouble after that? You will not be deprived of the "bones"? Otherwise, they can even on the ribs with the boots of the mangy, so that they know the place yes
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 12: 06
      -4
      It may very well be, it looks like the Yankees' little hands grow from an even more wrong place than the "Syrians / Libyans / Armenians"

      Dullness may well be present in the American army - it also consists of people. However, the military personnel of a base located in a country where active hostilities are not being conducted should not always be on alert.

      Otherwise, they can and on the ribs with the boots of the mangy, so that the place would know yes

      I see you often got it :) So, grin your teeth at the "mean Americans"?)
      1. 123 Online 123
        123 (123) 5 March 2021 12: 09
        +3
        Well, it shouldn't, shouldn't, let them keep raking it off. The survivors will probably learn something. Is Iraq a peaceful place for you? Isn't that where they soaked Soleimani at the airfield? And after that the staff doesn't owe anything ...
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 12: 13
          -6
          Is Iraq a peaceful place for you?

          Not the most peaceful, but active hostilities are not being conducted there either.

          And after that, the staff doesn't owe anything ...

          Maybe he should have. I do not deny that the staff could have been unnecessarily relaxed.
          1. 123 Online 123
            123 (123) 5 March 2021 13: 53
            +4
            Not the most peaceful, but active hostilities are not being conducted there either.

            I don't mind, let them sleep well.

            Maybe he should have. I do not deny that the staff could have been unnecessarily relaxed.

            He didn't seem to be bothered. After all, active hostilities are not being conducted there .... so the American bases are shelling, but these are trifles. Is it worth worrying about this?
      2. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 5 March 2021 16: 00
        +4
        Quote: Cyril
        where there is no active hostilities, it should not always be on alert.

        Kiryusha! the contingent located on the territory of another state should be not only in readiness "PERMANENT", but even "INCREASED" or in general - "FULL" You are a complete layman, Kiryusha!
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 5 March 2021 16: 20
          -6
          the contingent located on the territory of another state should be not only in readiness "PERMANENT", but even "INCREASED" or in general - "FULL"

          Will you prove it with American documents?
  • Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 5 March 2021 05: 55
    +1
    Actually, he shouldn't knock down. According to unverified information, it was an exhibition specimen of Si-frame ("Shame" in Russian transcription).
    1. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 5 March 2021 16: 02
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry S.
      ("Shame" in Russian transcription)

      "As you name the yacht, so it will float!" (from)
  • Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 5 March 2021 07: 33
    -5
    The anonymous author of this material presented himself as a person completely ignorant of the topic. To begin with, the C-RAM is not a specific complex but a concept of tactical air defense, within the framework of this concept, such various air defense systems have been created as the famous Israeli כיפת ברזל ("Iron Dome"), the American Phalanx CIWS or the German MANTIS. It is not clear which complex was at the base of Ain al-Assad, for some reason the photo shows the ship's Phalanx, installed on the ships of the US Navy and a number of other states, which could not be on the defense of the land base in the West. parts of Iraq away from the sea.
    And if we talk about the fact that the missiles still exploded on the territory of the base, then, as one of the site visitors rightly noted here, -

    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    8 km - approach / launch missed - the time of arrival is 10-30 seconds. If they were not on alert, then even more so they could not react.

    With a high degree of certainty, we can say that the base security was not able to detect in time the covert advance to the position of a truck with a rocket launcher, and the air defense systems were not informed and alerted. And it is absolutely certain - the Russian "Pantsir" in this situation would be completely useless. hi
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 08: 11
      +1

      The ground-based Phalanx received the designation "Centurion" C-RAM (counter-rocket, artillery, mortar) - this abbreviation fully explains the purpose of the complex - to protect the base from operational tactical missiles, mortar shells and large-caliber artillery shells. The rate of fire of the C-RAM has been reduced to 2000 rds / min. Unlike the naval Phalanx, this modification uses the M940 HEIT-SD high-explosive fragmentation projectiles - this is done, first of all, to increase safety - in the event of a miss, a naval projectile with a uranium core will fly into the void and burrow into the waves, the ground projectile must be sure to be equipped with a self-liquidator. The complex is capable of covering an area of ​​1,2 sq. kilometers.
      What did the base personnel do once they were not on alert? Was the hot Mexican courting an equally hot Negro? laughing Or do they not monitor the perimeter during lunchtime? Or maybe the enemy's artillerymen should have notified in advance in writing by diplomatic mail? wassat
      Or maybe they turned off the complex from the outlet. did you need to charge your phone and it just didn't work? laughing laughing laughing
      1. Ser sash Offline Ser sash
        Ser sash (Ser Sash) 5 March 2021 08: 41
        0
        And if you shoot something with a gun, that would fly a meter from the ground, will this thing cut itself?
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 08: 56
          -1
          This "thing" is only warming up for almost 2 seconds ... while the electric drive unrolls the barrels, the "package" will be delivered.
      2. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 5 March 2021 09: 50
        -2
        Quote: Just Cat
        Ground-based Phalanx received the designation "Centurion" C-RAM

        However, in the photo in the article, it is the ship's Phalanx.

        Quote: Just Cat
        What did the base personnel do once they were not on alert? Was the hot Mexican courting an equally hot Negro?

        Who knows, maybe there, following the example of the servicemen of the Russian army, just at that time they were going to post a thread of the local Shamsutdinov ... lol
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 5 March 2021 10: 05
          -1
          in the photo, not a shipboard, but a land one.
          https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:C-RAM_test_fire_JBB_Iraq.jpg
          Iraq 2010
        2. 123 Online 123
          123 (123) 5 March 2021 12: 02
          +1
          However, in the photo in the article, it is the ship's Phalanx.

          Articles are often clinging to photos that are not related to the event being described. The network is full of footage of the complex on the shore.



          As far as I understand in Afghanistan

    2. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 5 March 2021 16: 12
      +6
      Quote: Bindyuzhnik
      and the air defense systems were not informed and alerted. And it is absolutely certain - the Russian "Pantsir" in this situation would be completely useless.

      change the training manual. hat! air defense forces MUST be constantly on readiness to repel an air attack! and lack of information here is stupid attempts to get away with it! By the way, a living counterexample to your words is the Khmeimim base. How many barmaley did not try - for some reason the Armor ALWAYS successfully repelled the raid. and videos in you-tube about it in bulk.

      1. Ser sash Offline Ser sash
        Ser sash (Ser Sash) 5 March 2021 17: 07
        0
        This is from a computer game.
      2. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 5 March 2021 19: 56
        -4
        You seem to have completely lost touch with reality if you write -

        Quote: Igor Aviator
        a living counterexample to your words is the Khmeimim base How many barmaley did not try - for some reason the Armor ALWAYS successfully repelled the raid. and videos in you-tube about it in bulk.

        The Khmeimim base was attacked with homemade drones and single launches of MLRS, and these attacks were not undertaken by very skillful barmaley. I would have looked at those "Shells" with "Torahs" if Khmeimim was subjected to a massive attack using Bayraktar UAVs, loitering Harop ammunition or LORA tactical missiles. And who is the hat here? laughing
    3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 20: 26
      +2
      With a high degree of certainty, we can say that the base security was not able to detect in time the covert advance to the position of a truck with a rocket launcher, and the air defense systems were not informed and alerted. And it is absolutely certain - the Russian "Pantsir" in this situation would be completely useless. hi

      "Carapace" works quietly in such situations.
      At the base in Khmeimim, from everything we did not work, we shoot back successfully.

      And the fact that "the security of the base did not shmogla in time" testifies to the level of organization of the security of the base.
      On December 7, 1941 (Pearl Harbor), too, "they failed to detect the covert advance to position in time." repeat
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 5 March 2021 20: 39
        -5
        Quote: Ulysses
        At the base in Khmeimim, from everything we did not work, we shoot back successfully.

        Until now, nothing serious has worked on the Khmeimim base.

        Quote: Ulysses
        On December 7, 1941 (Pearl Harbor), too, "they failed to detect the covert advance to position in time."

        That Th there is December 7, 1941, you still remember May 27-28, 1905. - Tsushima battle, when the Japanese utterly defeated the Russian squadron. lol
        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 20: 58
          +1
          Until now, nothing serious has worked on the Khmeimim base.

          They shoot with the same MLRS as at the American base.

          Here are just the opposite results.
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 March 2021 08: 48
    +1
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    as the famous Israeli כיפת ברזל ("Iron Dome")

    Modestly good
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 5 March 2021 09: 51
      -5
      We stand on that, only the truth and nothing but her, dear ...
  • _AMUHb_ Offline _AMUHb_
    _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 5 March 2021 09: 11
    0
    D.R.G. usually "mows" on "coming sleep", but here 7.20
  • meandr51 Offline meandr51
    meandr51 (Andrei) 5 March 2021 10: 40
    0
    Falax in any case could not shoot down the MLRS. It was necessary to drive the Grad ...
  • Nikolaevich I Offline Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) 5 March 2021 20: 19
    0
    What is this nonsense? What "peacock-mawlin"? What is this analogue of "Shell"? Why confuse a "fork with a bottle"? belay
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 21: 23
    +1
    However, the fact is, as they say "on the face".
    American bases can be shot with impunity from semi-handicraft homemade products.
    With such a scenario, there are a lot of people interested in that region ..
    1. Dear sofa expert. 5 March 2021 23: 14
      +4
      American bases can be shot with impunity from semi-handicraft homemade products.

      I advise everyone who is arguing here to watch the new American film "The outpost". (not to be confused with the series of the same name!)
      The action takes place in northern Afghanistan.
      There, in all its glory and in full growth, the complete professional unsuitability of American soldiers in a real combat situation is demonstrated.
      Blatant illiteracy in everything that can be called "art of war."
      I will not tell the content, otherwise it will not be interesting to watch, but literally everything that happens there resembles satire, although the film is absolutely serious and was filmed based on real events.
      So the "SRAM" fiasco is not at all surprising.)