"Protectorate in agony": why Europe dared to ask Putin for a vaccine


If someone thought that this was another article about the delights of Russian vaccines and the disadvantages of everyone else, then I will immediately inform you - not about that. Firstly, I am not an expert in this area, and secondly, too much has already been said on this topic. This is about what really brought the former states of the "socialist camp" to fit into the system of a "developed and prosperous Western community", as well as to understand what actually awaits those who still think about it. And we have a lot of them.


On the example of the Czech Republic, because it was originally and is now the most developed country in Eastern Europe in all respects, except for the no longer existing GDR. The coronavirus pandemic, in this case, is just an indicator that has pulled out for all to see the deep processes taking place in these states, which were previously invisible to ordinary citizens.

What actually happened there?


Just a couple of days ago, Czech President Milos Zeman personally turned to Vladimir Putin with a request to urgently provide his country with the Russian Sputnik-V coronavirus vaccine. And this is not surprising - on the map of Europe, indicating the incidence of COVID-19, the Czech Republic is now the darkest spot. In a country of ten million, the daily increase in cases tends to 20 people, and this despite the fact that the very process of testing, quarantine and tracking the spread is, to put it mildly, far from the best. That is, the reality is most likely much more depressing. Hospitals are overwhelmed with serious cases, some patients are already preparing to be transported across the border to Germany, mortality is growing. In neighboring Slovakia and other Eastern European states, things are not much better. How did it happen that, in principle, having successfully passed the "first wave" last spring, all these sufficiently developed and civilized countries have now slipped into such a terrible peak?

There is an explanation for all this. The first and, as it turned out, not the strongest wave of the pandemic was "ex-socialist camps", unlike the West, it was rather easily "digested" with the help of the still surviving remnants of the "Soviet" health care system, which, despite thirty years of "market optimization" , nevertheless, has sufficiently retained its working capacity. In Russia, in principle, the same thing happened. But at a time when in the Russian Federation and some other countries, using the summer "retreat" of covid and preparing for a new "attack" of the disease, they were building new and re-equipping existing hospital funds at an accelerated pace, purchasing equipment and inventing new vaccines and drugs, in Eastern Europe By and large, nobody did anything at all. Except, perhaps, for the purchase and production of a huge amount of medical masks and respirators, which immediately soared in price several times. That makes it possible to assume not so much the anti-epidemic nature of all these measures, but the purely commercial interests of the structures involved in this. And many of these same structures, apparently by pure coincidence, are related to the highest-level officials who are precisely responsible for the fight against the pandemic ... The latest requirements to wear respirators in public places or two (?!) Medical masks at once, one on top of the other, this assumption is only strengthened - the money has been invested, the warehouses are overflowing, it is necessary to sell this product somehow as quickly as possible ...

But I will return to the question - why did no one do anything all summer and autumn. The answer is simple - no instructions to do anything "from above" have been received. And the Czech government itself, in reality, cannot manage anything, and does not want to. They are not sitting there for that. They are there to relay the will of the EU leadership to its own population, and the will of the EU leadership is a pure relay of the interests of the United States of America on the European continent. This is the vertical. And since there was a complete collapse in the United States itself regarding the coronavirus, they, firstly, were simply not up to the vassals in this matter, and secondly, there was nothing to say. This explains the "mysterious", as many of us thought, the circumstance that all foreign policy and anti-Russian processes and programs went on as usual, as if not paying attention to the coronavirus - on this occasion, all instructions had already been distributed and no one canceled them. Hence, in fact, the initial "unwillingness" of Europeans to react in any way to the emergence of Russian vaccines - everything is in accordance with the initial political installations.

By the way, no one is going to share the vaccines and drugs that have already appeared in the leading Western states to fight the dangerous virus with the eastern "Untermenschs", thus clearly demonstrating their true attitude towards various small "allies", even who are, as it were, full-fledged members EU and NATO. But this whole situation did not arise at all due to the advent of the terrible coronavirus. Eastern Europeans simply paid for giving up their own independence in exchange for massive access to banal consumer goods. Yes, it is and only for consumer goods - such things as household items have become more accessible for the citizens of these countries. technique, clothes, overseas vacations or cars, but a separate home of their own, good medicine and higher education have moved for the majority into the sphere of a dream that is hard to come true.

They simply sold their sovereignty, and, as it seemed to them at first, it was quite profitable. And this is also not the first time. With all this, proudly trumpeting in all directions about their own newly acquired independence and getting rid of the terrible communist yoke in the face of the already defunct USSR.

A bit of history and ... what does Navalny have to do with it


For the first time in their history, the Czechs, then together with the Slovaks close to them in language and culture, entered the light-faced world of Western democracies as a new independent state - the Czechoslovak Republic, which arose as a result of the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy, after it lost the First World War. The actual result of twenty years of democratic independence of Czechoslovakia and close interaction with the Western world was the complete collapse of this state, so that all its fragments of this very independence were completely lost: part of the territory went to Poland, part to Hungary, part to Germany, the main territory of the modern Czech Republic became the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia within the framework of the Third Reich, and separated and cut in size Slovakia became a puppet state formation, in fact, in the hands of the same Germany.

It is interesting that already at that time in Europe there was a certain prototype of the future of NATO - a military alliance of Western democracies, of which Czechoslovakia was a member. But as soon as the "roast cock" in the person of Adolf Hitler did not even "peck" the Czech territory, but only intended to do it, the "loyal allies" not only did not support the Czechoslovakians, but even actively participated in the destruction and subsequent division of their state. And all this even before the start of the Second World War. Then, literally until the very last days of the war that broke out soon, all the then already considerable Czech industrial potential, tirelessly of Czech workers, worked intensively exclusively for the benefit of the Third Reich.

After the liberation of most of the country, mainly by the forces of the Red Army (now it was called the occupation), Czechoslovak independence and territorial integrity was almost completely restored by the Soviet Union. Yes, the Transcarpathian region was “cut off” at the expense of Soviet Ukraine, but it was more than blocked by the annexation of lands that had gone to Hungary, Germany and Poland before the war, and even with some “additions” just about the size of Transcarpathia.

In 1948, when the post-war stabilization ended, in Czechoslovakia, not without the help of the USSR, of course, the Communist Party officially came to power, and remained in the country's government until 1989. During this period, the Czechs became members of the so-called "Eastern Bloc" - the country was part of a military alliance "Warsaw Pact" and economic CMEA. Now it is presented as years of unbearable oppression by the USSR - the Russians, they say, mercilessly exploited and "squeezed all the juice" from the Eastern European countries occupied by them.

By the end of the process of "oppression" in 1989, the Czechs came with the second standard of living among the CMEA members after the GDR, having overtaken the Soviet Union in terms of this indicator. It's somehow strange for the occupation regime, no? ... when the occupied live better than the occupiers. But this is so, by the way.

Then, as a result of serious internal upheavals in the USSR, as well as the fatal inability of the Czechoslovak communist authorities to take reasonable independent actions, the forces of Western special services brought the local "bulk" to power in the country - I use this term here not as the name of a separate Russian figure, but as an understandable to the modern reader, the name of the working scheme still practiced in the West for promoting its influence. His name was Vaclav Havel, at that time he did not have any real support of the masses, he did not achieve any particular success in his real profession - a theater director - he spent years as an active dissident on the salary of the CIA, which he later proudly admitted to , and was not a blogger, apparently, only because of the absence of social networks in nature at that time ... It was under his sensitive leadership that Czechoslovakia again diligently merged into the world of Western democracies and ... two years later it collapsed again. Somehow, suddenly, the Czechs and Slovaks again sharply revived national identity, apparently against the backdrop of the promised upcoming sharing of the countless benefits and riches of a free civilization, which were about to fall on them ...

But even despite this, the independent Czech Republic, first created in 1991, entered this new role for itself with such a scientific and industrial background that the largest and most developed countries in the world could envy it. And they were jealous. Well, judge for yourself - in a country smaller than the Russian Tver region, without special natural resources and open access to the sea, it was produced in a full cycle and, for the most part, of its own designs, at that time almost everything that can be imagined at all: cars and trucks cars, passenger and cargo ships, aircraft (including military jet), tractors, locomotives, wagons and other vehicles, engines to all this, a wide variety of weapons and armored vehicles, radio electronics, including military, optics, turbines, machine tools, tools and other industrial equipment, had its own metallurgical, mining, chemical, pharmaceutical, light and food industries, developed agriculture in all directions, science, culture and education of the world level and ... God knows what else ... It's probably easier to list what was not than what it was. All this gave the country an excellent starting position for further economically and politically prosperous and independent existence, if someone who was in power was interested in this. But the Czech "bulk" was put there not at all for this, of course. And he coped with his task perfectly - to date, of all this scientific and industrial potential in the country there is practically nothing left. Most of the real high-class specialists were lured abroad. And about 80% of the still remaining Czech production facilities are now fully owned by Western corporations and / or are part of their production chains at the component level. There are no large, for example, full-cycle machine-building industries at all. What does it give and to whom?

This gives the forces interested in this full external control over the country through purely economic levers. And it also leads to the absolute degradation of internal governing structures at the state level, as they are unnecessary in principle in this coordinate system. It is precisely this plan that has been implemented over the past 30 years in the Czech Republic, as well as in whole or in part at the moment in other European countries. Not only Eastern, by the way, and not only Europe. The result is obvious, as they say. Modern Czech Republic is, in fact, again the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, with the only difference that the supreme authorities of the modern EU that are now ruling it from the outside are just stupid and helpless snotty children, in comparison with the smart, capable and insidious leaders of Hitlerite Germany, that is, those , who in the middle of the twentieth century built the previous European Union with a really functioning centralized government. From Berlin, of course, but on the same principles of relationships.

At the level of instinct


An attentive reader, perhaps at this point, will ask a reasonable question: why, then, the leaders of Hungary, Slovakia and the same Czech Republic suddenly took and independently, in fact, contrary to their masters, turned to Russia for help, if everything is so bad and there are no independent decisions do they not accept? The answer is quite simple - the people who are now in power in these countries grew up, formed and received education even under the "terrible Soviet socialism", and therefore with the brains "washed" by persistent Western liberal influence, the basic basic instincts of a normal living person who exists in a normal society of their own kind, in them they were nevertheless laid down and preserved. In contrast to the overwhelming majority of their colleagues in the West, where the degradation of the human community, apparently, has already reached a completely different scale. So all the latest actions are not so much a manifestation of reason and independence, but of the usual instinct of self-preservation - realizing that no one is going to save them and their countries, they began to flounder and cling to what is possible. And the Russian vaccine in this case is the closest and most real "life buoy". Moreover, all of them, despite all the propaganda of recent decades, still remember that, be that as it may, but it was from the East that they were really saved more than once.

What is important to us in this context


Will this next salvation of ungrateful European small peoples bring any benefit to Russia itself? Now it is extremely difficult to answer this question. They will not become pro-Russian in an instant. But, following various discussions on European Internet networks in recent months, one can clearly see a strong decline in anti-Russian bias in people's comments on a variety of issues. And the local media have obviously calmed down their ardor in this direction. It is interesting that in the Czech Republic and Slovakia, of all citizens who generally speak positively about vaccination against COVID-19, and there are about half of them, more than 60% would like to receive the Russian Sputnik. All these people are voters. It is they who form the future governments of their states. It is likely that in this sense, "vaccine diplomacy" will nevertheless somewhat reduce the openly hostile ardor towards us from our European neighbors. And the unconditional belief that existed before all this in the almighty West and its leading power - the United States - has also somehow greatly weakened among the Europeans recently ...

And we, or rather some citizens who still stand up for Russia's entry into a kind of "bright family of civilized peoples", should take a closer look at the experience of those who, in the 90s of the last century, also entered there in full, one might say. And this with one more important caveat:

In the Czech Republic, for example, in fact, there are no resources of interest to the West, except for a highly qualified and disciplined workforce. So they use it in their own interests, keeping it in a certain minimum comfort, and then only as long as their own capabilities allow them. And what will happen if they stop letting, this is exactly what the coronavirus showed to everyone well and clearly - that is, it is not even the most terrible tragedy for humanity, mind you ...

Russia has just a huge amount of such interesting resources for everyone, and the overwhelming majority of our population does not consider the powers that be either qualified or even more disciplined in their understanding of the word. So, unlike Russian resources, they do not need the Russians themselves for anything. Rather interfere. This is what we need to think about with every mention of the possible integration of Russia into the Western world. Or does someone else believe that the same British or Americans are really interested in our well-being or the observance of some kind of rights there? ...
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  1. Kofesan Online Kofesan
    Kofesan (Valery) 7 March 2021 10: 00
    +3
    This is GEYROPA. Take everything valuable, but give nothing in return. And their ideal is that at the same time Russia should also remain ...
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 7 March 2021 13: 38
      +2
      Yes, we put ourselves in the position of our due. I would not give the vaccine. Zeman and family - vaccinate for free. Send a doctor from the embassy. Let the rest wait for Pfizer.
  2. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 7 March 2021 10: 22
    -11%
    The Czech Republic is not the whole of Europe, which is like in "agony". In agony, rather Zeman, who in the Czech Republic itself is not such an authority, especially among young people.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 7 March 2021 13: 23
      +8
      The Czechs once again showed their rot.
      Zeman is the only adequate politician in the upper echelons of power.
      How to yap at Russia and do nasty things to it - the darkness of those who wish and no one remembers Zeman.
      How to beg for a vaccine from Russia - Zeman was sent.
      Scum.
  3. Vadim Ananyin Offline Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin (Vadim Ananyin) 7 March 2021 10: 24
    +8
    I fully agree with the author of the article.
    The only thing with which one could argue so about what to give or not give them a life-giving vaccine to continue their species. They have done so many dirty tricks to our country, Mom, do not cry!
  4. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 March 2021 10: 39
    +5
    Will this next salvation of ungrateful European small peoples bring any benefit to Russia itself?

    The answer is negative. There are simply no such examples in the last 200-300 years.

    Small clarification. Two quotes from the article

    This gives those interested in this full external control of the country through purely economic levers. It also leads to absolute degradation of internal governing structures at the state level, as such, in principle, are unnecessary in this coordinate system.

    И

    All these people are voters. They are and form the future governments of their states.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 10: 46
      +3
      All these people are voters. It is they who form the future governments of their states.

      It seems to me that here, all the same, it is possible (necessary) to focus on the word "future".

      Everything, one way or another, is heading towards the collapse, or reformatting of this, at the moment, ugly formation - the EU.

      The article is good. I like it.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 March 2021 10: 49
        +4
        I didn't say the article was bad. It's just that these quotes do not fit together a little. Although the word "future" could be accepted. But there are other markers as well. What is the attitude of young Czechs (future voters) to the demolition of the Konev monument? This is the attitude towards Russia.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 11: 13
          +2
          What is the attitude of young Czechs (future voters) to the demolition of the Konev monument? This is the attitude towards Russia.

          The same "young Czechs" (see young Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, etc.) can be taken out by all sorts of "bulk", on the "Maidans" and "swamp".

          You understand that behind such "hooliganism" as the demolition of monuments, there is something more serious than "youthful maximalism."
        2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 March 2021 15: 33
          +5
          ... young Czechs had little to do with this demolition, in fact. They don't care about him, like most of all other monuments. This is the work of former local dissidents, fed on dollars, brought to power and working off their bread ...
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 March 2021 15: 36
            +2
            Maybe. But if the young Czechs are "on the drum", they will choose the western vector. They are not interested in the East. Brains are flushed everywhere. Both in the post-Soviet space and in Eastern Europe. And even in Russia.
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 March 2021 13: 28
              +4
              As for what they will choose - I don't know how old you are ..... Do you remember "perestroika"? And the 90s? All young people then were on the rise, they all chose the "western vector", monuments were felled with hooting - then, and now they are the same 40+ people, perfectly aware of what happened and opposing the western vector. They have grown up, they have experience, responsibility, there is already something to compare with. The Czechs have the same thing. And everyone else. Young people generally like to break everything, and the reason is often not particularly important. But in real life, they do not choose the "vector", but those who are already an adult at this time
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 7 March 2021 13: 46
      +5
      One example is enough.
      Like May 5, 1945 At the first whistle, the Red Army rushed from Berlin to rescue the Prague uprising, which nobody needed, and lay the lives of Soviet soldiers. What for? So that Hitler's longtime accomplices come out of World War II as the victors of Hitler. Damn winners.
      And what did we get for this?
      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 March 2021 15: 36
        +1
        With the Prague uprising, if you're really interested, to put it mildly, things were a little different. I recommend this
        https://www.litres.ru/aleksey-pishenkov/posledniy-boy-kto-osvobodil-pragu/chitat-onlayn/
      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 8 March 2021 16: 12
        +1
        Boris, THEN the question was a little different - either WE will be in the Czech Republic, or YANKI! That is why they "rushed in" because we did not need a western outpost in the rear of the Western Group of Forces. It was already understood then. It’s a pity you don’t know that.
    3. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 March 2021 15: 29
      +2
      And what do you, Bakhtiyar, seem to be contradictory here? Is that so, as far as I understand? - Well, at least, maybe, they will start choosing those who really care about their own country, and not other people's interests. there are such people too, but no one really lets them into power. With the help of propaganda, including anti-Russian, which strongly influences voters.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 March 2021 15: 34
        +2
        But you write that the country's leadership is under external control. Plus the degradation of the elite (governing structures). Whom they will be appointed - he will be in the leadership.
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 8 March 2021 16: 23
          0
          And there is! Dependence and political promiscuity in sexual relations ( laughing ), leads the country (and, then, the people) to absorption, and complete dissolution in the conquerors (as happened with the Slavs of East Prussia). It will be the same with the Czechs - they will be made of European common people without family, without a tribe.
      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 8 March 2021 16: 19
        +1
        Lesch, all this, at this stage, is not possible in principle. Everything is too neglected there. Even its own department "radio freedom" is flesh of flesh. our work for the struggle over the souls of Czech citizens is completely and unconditionally lost at this stage.
        Now we need to start from the very bottom and from the very beginning .... Or provoke Nat to attack the Russian Federation. In order to smash EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING to smithereens, RETURNED to Europe, already completely and to the end of the century ... and every nit that opens its mouth about the "withdrawal of the occupation forces from Europe" - hang on a lantern, after a field military court.
    4. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 8 March 2021 16: 08
      0
      All these people are voters.

      ... who do not play ANY role in the "election of" the authorities "(because with" the fullness of the choice, there is NO ONE to choose "- for the choice are presented UNUSUAL candidates who are convenient for the Yankees). All this talk is about, supposedly" democratic "elections - LIE from beginning to end, imposed from the outside ... including us.
      This whole system is LIE from start to finish. This whole "electoral" system.
      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 March 2021 17: 10
        +1
        Mostly agree, but ...
        I don’t know where how, but here and in our neighbors, democracy still works somehow. Otherwise, there would be no ADG in Germany, in the Czech Republic SPD and so on "Mainstream" parties of course are supported by the EU, the US and their entire media machine, but the opposition still adds to the number. All this opposition is practically right-wing, of course they are never pro-Russian, but they oppose the US dictatorship, against groundless Russophobia and for pragmatic mutually beneficial relations with the Russian Federation. And this is exactly what we need
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 9 March 2021 20: 52
          0
          Well, well ... I don't know how you still believe that?
          1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 21: 11
            +2
            And for all my skepticism about what is meant by the word "democracy" today, I believe at least my own eyes. In Europe it is somehow, but it works. And it does. Yes, and there are no other options to really do something and to influence the policy of states, there is simply no ...
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 11 March 2021 12: 26
              +1
              Yeah ... I wouldn't talk about Europe at all. There, and the power is NOT ELECTED by the people! The overwhelming majority of the EU countries have surrendered their sovereignty and are in a friendly line of Russophobia (even if the people of these countries do not treat Russia negatively, these peoples CANNOT do ANYTHING). The peoples DO NOT influence the leadership of their countries from the word SOSEM. That is why I am writing - I have a big skepticism about your "faith" in the opposition or in the peoples of Europe.
              1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                Pishenkov (Alexey) 11 March 2021 15: 06
                +1
                Well, I already wrote there - if the brains are smeared, all the last hope is on instincts. Self-preservation in this case. It won't work - well. As they say, every nation deserves its own power. Maybe democracy will work if it still exists. And if the peoples in Europe really want to manage the EU in the form it is now, then "they have such a fate" ..... It's just that we must proceed from this in building relations
                1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                  A.Lex (Secret information) 12 March 2021 08: 13
                  0
                  ...... again you are talking about "democracy" ..... No.
                  1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 12 March 2021 13: 47
                    +2
                    What else? She is darling! This is now the most universal concept, even coups and wars are suitable for it. wink
                    But seriously, Europe has nothing to hope for other than a voting system. All protests on the streets will never grow into anything here - everything is rigidly nipped in the bud. And from the outside, no one helps ...
                    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                      A.Lex (Secret information) 16 March 2021 15: 41
                      0
                      But that's another question. and it is called - democracy!
                      ............. I have such a question (I ask everyone here): I have one acute feeling that a war is about to start somewhere near Russia?
                      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 16 March 2021 22: 49
                        +2
                        Of course! Well I wrote about it in the next article! smile Although it is already underway, it began 7 years ago ...
                      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                        A.Lex (Secret information) 18 March 2021 12: 00
                        0
                        It began, but the Russian Federation, YET, did not take part in it ... But then ............... No.
                      3. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 18 March 2021 13: 19
                        +1
                        ... and you were talking about "somewhere nearby", and not about our participation. But in the article I'm talking about, there is also about this ... yes
  • Lysik001 Offline Lysik001
    Lysik001 (boy Seryozha) 7 March 2021 11: 46
    -8
    The author is interested in everything about the Czech Republic and about other countries that are unfriendly to us! And do not write about Russia? When our grandmothers will live with dignity and not begging! Well, that's not interesting! It is more important to pour from empty to empty every day! That Ukraine has already died 150 times and did not even notice! Now Europe is next! Continue to shit the brains of the people!
    1. Dear sofa expert. 7 March 2021 12: 56
      +11
      And do not write about Russia?

      You, as it were, live in Russia, or? Why would you read here about what you yourself see around you? Or do you need “explanations” of your own life?
      And then, if so, then you can, at the same time, and "behind the scenes laughter" especially for you to include. Well, what would you know when you need to show emotions.)

      When our grandmothers will live with dignity and not begging! Well, that's not interesting! More important

      "YOUR grandmothers" will live with dignity, and not begging, when YOU (personally) take care of them, about YOUR grandmothers.
    2. Eugene A Offline Eugene A
      Eugene A (Evgeny A) 7 March 2021 13: 42
      +3
      You also write that you want to know about your pissed-off entrance ...
      1. ck9999999 Offline ck9999999
        ck9999999 (C K) 7 March 2021 14: 48
        +4
        But before the covid respite, drunken Finnish tourists pissed and chewed on the whole center of Tallinn in drybodan, and they did it regularly. Now Revel is clearing and resting. He, like the rest of the Baltic states, is pondering what to sell or where to intercept funds in order to confirm the "high status" of a NATO member. Summary: the entire article is true. Bravo, author.
      2. Alexpan Offline Alexpan
        Alexpan 7 March 2021 14: 49
        0
        To prevent the entrance from being pissed off, it is necessary to invest more in culture, education and upbringing.
    3. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 March 2021 15: 37
      +4
      This is just an article about Russia, boy. Only you didn't get it.
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 8 March 2021 16: 26
        0
        Alexey, after writing an article, you are commenting on it yourself incorrectly. This is not only about Russia, but about the whole world in general (for example, the Czech Republic)!
    4. 123 Online 123
      123 (123) 7 March 2021 23: 00
      +3
      The author is interested in everything about the Czech Republic and about other countries that are unfriendly to us! And do not write about Russia? When our grandmothers will live with dignity and not begging!

      Go to work so that your grandmother is not begging.

      Well, that's not interesting! It is more important to pour from empty to empty every day! That Ukraine has already died 150 times and did not even notice! Now Europe is next! Continue to shit the brains of the people!

      Does your soul want something about Russia from empty to empty poured?
  • Kapany3 Offline Kapany3
    Kapany3 7 March 2021 12: 26
    +6
    Excellent article, very informative for the victims of the exam.
    There would be more such articles, and you will see an understanding of the situation by the "European-striking liberals".
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 8 March 2021 16: 31
      0
      We (ordinary citizens) have understanding ... It is important for our elite to have this understanding, which (for the most part) is asleep and sees itself “blending in with the“ world community. ”This is sad! , but to live to go to the "azure coast" or to "Miami" - to spend the money there, and not in the "crano rushka" (and their kids in OPEN say this!). It's all too often! You don't need to go far - where is the "first" post-Soviet minister indel living?
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 7 March 2021 13: 59
    0
    I think that it is not worth helping Europe at all. Let the US and NATO save them. And if they can't do without our help, then let them pay 10-100 times more than the real price.

    at that time, almost everything that can be imagined at all: cars and trucks, passenger and cargo ships, airplanes (including military jet), tractors, locomotives

    All this was built by the USSR, which means at the expense of us! And now it turns out they didn't need it.

    The single cost of the Sputnik V vaccine for all countries will be less than $ 10

    It's easy to be kind and noble, at someone else's expense!

    In the summer, Moderna was targeting $ 37 per dose, which is more expensive than Johnson & Johnson ($ 10) and Pfizer ($ 20), "the newspaper writes.

    https://www.interfax.ru/world/737370
  • Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 7 March 2021 14: 14
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    Yes, it is and only to consumer goods - such things as household appliances, clothes, overseas vacations or cars have become more accessible for the citizens of these countries, but their own separate home, good medicine and higher education have moved for the majority into the sphere of dreams that are hard to come true.

    Is everything great in Russia with housing, medicine and higher education?

    In the Czech Republic, for example, in fact, there are no resources of interest to the West, except for a highly qualified and disciplined workforce. So they use it in their own interests, keeping it in a certain minimum comfort, and then only as long as their own capabilities allow them.

    Per capita income by PPP of the Czech Republic is 42670 dollars per person, this is at the level of Japan, Israel, Spain, Italy. For the Russian Federation, this figure is 28184, in Turkey and Malaysia it is higher.
    And for one Gini coefficient for the Czech Republic is 25.4 (one of the best among the countries of the world), for the Russian Federation is 39,9.

    Just a couple of days ago, Czech President Milos Zeman personally turned to Vladimir Putin with a request to urgently provide his country with the Russian Sputnik-V coronavirus vaccine.

    Interestingly, Putin will give? In the Czech Republic, more than 5 percent of the population is vaccinated, in the Russian Federation 3,5%.

    And ... an author from the Czech Republic ... How can he suffer there poor ... Personally, I don't really care about the problems of the Czechs, especially judging by the indicators, these problems against the background of Russian ones are not problems at all.

    Russia has just a huge amount of such interesting resources for everyone, and the overwhelming majority of our population does not consider the powers that be either qualified or even more disciplined in their understanding of the word.

    I wonder where this legend came from that the "West" wants to take away Russian resources by all means? So far, the Russians themselves are happy to supply these resources anywhere for a reasonable price, and nothing portends that it will be different.
    1. ck9999999 Offline ck9999999
      ck9999999 (C K) 7 March 2021 15: 27
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      They are interested, you see, to read the "legends". But this is not a legend, but a harsh reality. It is enough to read, think and turn on the logic. And the most important thing is to UNDERSTAND that no country has experienced so many wars and revolutions in a short 100 years, which would be enough for the funeral of any other.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 7 March 2021 16: 18
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        Quote: ck9999999
        And the most important thing is to UNDERSTAND that no country has experienced so many wars and revolutions in a short 100 years, which would be enough for the funeral of any other.

        France for example
    2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 March 2021 15: 39
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      I wonder where this legend came from that the "West" wants to take away Russian resources by all means? So far, the Russians themselves are happy to supply these resources anywhere for a reasonable price, and nothing portends that it will be different.

      - this "legend" has been manifested in practice with enviable constancy for the last couple of centuries. They do not like to pay, that is the question ... greedy very ...
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 7 March 2021 17: 07
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        Quote: Pyshenkov
        this "legend" has been manifested in practice with enviable consistency for the last couple of centuries.

        For example, when? Only WWII comes to mind with Hitler's plans to expand living space. And then, as far as I remember, the plan extended to the European part of the USSR, and even then not to the whole.

        Quote: Pyshenkov
        They do not like to pay, that is the question ... greedy very ...

        To some extent, you are right. But buying resources at a reasonable price is much cheaper than getting them in any other way, let alone conquering them. The experience of the two world warriors has shown that war is not economically justified even for the victors. The era of resource warriors is over.
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 March 2021 19: 39
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          ... and in addition to WWII it was with enviable constancy - Poles, Swedes, all sorts of European Union in the face of Napoleon's army, invaders of all stripes after the 1917 revolution - do you think they came to see us beauty? Not at all! And the Germans in the forties did not plan further than the Urals, just out of pragmatism - they knew that biting off so much would simply not work right away, purely technically, and there were other hunters from the east - the Japanese, for example.
          And about the fact that

          The era of resource warriors is over.

          - you are also very mistaken. What are Americans doing in the Middle East? Whose rights are protected? And in Libya? And why are they knocking us down - for the sake of Lyosha Navalny, or for the same gas, oil and everything else? And so that they do the same, only they do not interfere with selling ...
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 March 2021 00: 33
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            Quote: Pyshenkov
            Poles,

            And what about the Poles? What were their actions different from the actions of the Russian tsars? The three partitions of Poland suggest otherwise. How is the Polish intervention in the time of troubles different from the intervention of the Russian troops in the time of Catherine?

            Quote: Pyshenkov
            Swedes all sorts

            Of the ten Russian-Swedish wars, six were started by Russian tsars. How were the wars started by the Russian tsars different from the wars started by the Swedish kings?

            Quote: Pyshenkov
            The whole European Union is represented by Napoleon's army

            What goals did Napoleon pursue? As far as I remember, the main goal was to force the Russian tsar to fulfill the treaty on the continental blockade of England. And force them to join a military alliance with France. Even, as far as I remember, a trip to the depths of Russia for Napoleon was a bit of a surprise, at least not the most desirable development of events.

            Quote: Pyshenkov
            invaders of all stripes after the 1917 revolution - do you think they came to see our beauty? Not at all!

            Definitely not beauty. But also clearly not to take away Russian resources. In Russia, there was no force capable of stopping the intervention, the old army fled, the new one was just being formed and was not able to resist the Entente. The United States controlled the entire trans-Siberian to the Urals, which meant de facto control over all of Siberia. I don’t remember that the interventionists would have rejected something in their favor.
            In short, what did all these invaders do that Russia did not do?

            Quote: Pyshenkov
            And the Germans in the forties did not plan further than the Urals, just out of pragmatism - they knew that it would simply not be possible to bite off so much at once, purely technically,

            More precisely to the line Arkhangelsk Astrakhan. Something the Japanese did not particularly strive to acquire a piece of the sparsely populated Far East, but rushed to Southeast Asia and China.

            Quote: Pyshenkov
            you are also very mistaken. What are Americans doing in the Middle East? Whose rights are protected? And in Libya?

            They pump billions of dollars into the Middle East every year, which doesn't sound like a successful commercial operation. And what are the Americans doing in Libya?
            Until the United States conquered Venezuela and Nigeria, do not believe that they dream of conquering Russia for the sake of oil and gas.

            Quote: Pyshenkov
            And why are they knocking us down - for the sake of Lyosha Navalny, or for the same gas, oil and everything else? And so that they do the same, only they do not interfere with selling ...

            Who are we? You live in the Czech Republic. Living in Russia, I do not particularly notice that they would be felled. Now, if they impose an embargo on oil and gas, then yes, they took it seriously. And so light hints.
            And in fact, if they wanted to fill up, they would have done it in the 90s, and did not give loans, carried out the Provide Hope operation, bought oil and gas, sold equipment and technologies, including the military. Nobody helped Russia in all its guises as much as the Americans.
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 March 2021 13: 11
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              I wanted to take the time and fully answer you on all the points, since they are ALL wrong, even just based on the factual base. But then I read this

              And in fact, if they wanted to fill up, they would have done it in the 90s, and did not give loans, carried out the Provide Hope operation, bought oil and gas, sold equipment and technologies, including the military. Nobody helped Russia in all its guises as much as the Americans.

              ... and I realized that it is useless to answer you at all. And not because it is useless to persuade you in something - this, in this case, is too strong a statement, but because you, how to put it in an acceptable form ... promoting the interests of the United States in the network, then your brain clearly lacks the banal ability to adequately analyze the information received.
              I apologize for the verbiage, I can do it much easier, but it will simply be banned ... sad
              1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                A.Lex (Secret information) 8 March 2021 20: 44
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                Author, have you noticed THIS just now?
              2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 March 2021 20: 48
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                Quote: Pyshenkov
                I wanted to take the time and fully answer you on all the points, since they are ALL wrong, even just based on the factual base. But then I read this

                Nothing, it happens when there is nothing to say. In any case, the relationship of the Russian kingdom with its neighbors did not differ much from the relationship of the French kingdom, the Holy Roman Empire, or the Ottoman Empire.

                Quote: Pyshenkov
                If this is not a job for you, of course, to promote US interests online,

                Do you really believe that there are some structures that promote the interests of the United States on the Internet in general and on topcor.ru in particular? Is it real? And do you think this is adequate? It only makes sense to get budget money, which Mr. Prigozhin is doing with success. This cannot have any real impact on the processes. Have you ever heard of such "Internet Research Agencies" working for the US government?

                Quote: Pyshenkov
                then your brain clearly lacks the banal ability to adequately analyze the information received.
                I apologize for the verbiage, I can do it much easier, but it will simply be banned ...

                And ... That is, in your opinion, to wait until the Russian Federation recovers after 91 years and only then to impose sanctions, is that adequate if it was originally planned to "bring down"? You have a strange notion of adequacy.
                Yes, there is nothing, nothing, I can answer you too, you will be in St. Petersburg, please, express it in person.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 8 March 2021 22: 24
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                  Do not do it this way! Don't do that! And as it should, sir Oleg Rambover?
        2. 123 Online 123
          123 (123) 7 March 2021 23: 13
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          The experience of the two world warriors has shown that war is not economically justified even for the victors. The era of resource warriors is over.

          USA in the know? Did they lose a lot in the war?
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 March 2021 00: 48
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            418 thousand US citizens and in my opinion $ 280 billion. One lend-lease cost $ 50 billion. Those dollars.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 8 March 2021 02: 03
              +3
              Oleg Rambover... Have you found a suitable candidate for the presidential election? There is time, move.
            2. 123 Online 123
              123 (123) 8 March 2021 12: 31
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              Do not make me laugh. Compare with the losses of other countries, the Coronavirus and the United States claimed more lives. In terms of financial "losses", the US has risen on military supplies. They fought somewhere there, their production was developing, after the Great Depression it was not at all superfluous. As a result, they came to a dominant position in the economy and finance.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 March 2021 14: 28
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                Quote: 123
                Do not make me laugh.

                It's funny to you?

                Quote: 123
                Compare with the losses of other countries, the Coronavirus and the United States claimed more lives.

                So what? Does this somehow reduce the value of those 418 people to American society?
                I understand that many Russians still do not value human lives and, for example, consider millions of losses during collectivization acceptable. But this does not mean that this is the case for everyone.

                Quote: 123
                In terms of financial "losses", the US has risen on military supplies.

                This is a lie. The share of supplies for money was insignificant and differed by orders of magnitude from the costs of the war and by an order of magnitude from free supplies.

                Quote: 123
                As a result, they came to a dominant position in the economy and finance.

                They came to a dominant position in the economy and finance before the war, and the war only accelerated this process (leaving the post of superpower of the British Empire).
                1. 123 Online 123
                  123 (123) 8 March 2021 17: 27
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                  So what? Does this somehow reduce the value of those 418 people to American society?

                  Ask them. I'm just saying that this is relatively little and the negative consequences for the country are not comparable to the USSR or Germany.

                  I understand that many Russians still do not value human lives and, for example, consider millions of losses during collectivization acceptable. But this does not mean that this is the case for everyone.

                  What do you know about many Russians? You think that they are not going to be vaccinated because the authorities, like you, do not believe. At the same time, you yourself rush to the vaccination by jumping, at the same time petty throwing mud at domestic medicine.

                  This is a lie. The share of supplies for money was insignificant and differed by orders of magnitude from the costs of the war and by an order of magnitude from free supplies.

                  Data to studio sad

                  They came to a dominant position in the economy and finance before the war, and the war only accelerated this process (leaving the post of superpower of the British Empire).

                  And when and as a result of which corner of the British Empire, you certainly do not know either? Does the USA just take its place? The fact that at this time some kind of slag of the Second World War, you certainly did not notice?

                  Continue to amuse the people laughing You are doing greatgood
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 March 2021 22: 05
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                    Quote: 123
                    Ask them. I'm just saying that this is relatively little and the negative consequences for the country are not comparable to the USSR or Germany.

                    I’ll tell you, it doesn’t.

                    Quote: 123
                    What do you know about many Russians? You think that they are not going to be vaccinated because the authorities, like you, do not believe. At the same time, you yourself rush to the vaccination by jumping, at the same time petty throwing mud at domestic medicine.

                    For a vaccine? Yes, they do not believe it, otherwise they would have been vaccinated.
                    Did you make that vaccine? I do not understand what the claims are, my salary is deducted to the FSS, what are the questions? What is meanness and where did I pour mud, can I quote? In my opinion, you, as always, come up with something for me, and n ... e.

                    Quote: 123
                    Data to studio

                    Yes, please, this is for the USSR
                    https://istmat.info/files/uploads/46317/rgae_413.12.9539_eksport_import_vov.pdf
                    Page 4

                    Quote: 123
                    And when and as a result of which corner of the British Empire, you certainly do not know either? Does the USA just take its place? The fact that at this time some kind of slag of the Second World War, you certainly did not notice?

                    Of course, in the course, the reason was the collapse of the colonial systems (first of all, the colonies ceased to be economically justified), the source of the power of the British Empire, this process began before WWII, and it only accelerated it, and it’s not a fact that in principle.

                    Quote: 123
                    Continue to amuse the people You are doing great

                    I cannot compare with you.
                    1. 123 Online 123
                      123 (123) 9 March 2021 02: 43
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                      Yes, please, this is for the USSR

                      Total imports - 58 million rubles, from the USA 064,0 million (47%), including 890,1 million (82%) for Lndleese, go to page 47418,3 you specified - Gifts were imported - 81,7, including 4 from the USA (apparently also in a million rubles).
                      And how does this compare to yours:

                      This is a lie. The share of supplies for money was insignificant and differed by orders of magnitude from the costs of the war and by an order of magnitude from free supplies.

                      Soyed girls laughing by about 0,7% of the purchased smile
                      Are you not friends with numbers at all? winked At least sorted out with the "freebie". You have not shown anything about the costs of the war. And who is lying? sad

                      Of course, in the course, the reason was the collapse of the colonial systems (first of all, the colonies ceased to be economically justified), the source of the power of the British Empire, this process began before WWII, and it only accelerated it, and it’s not a fact that in principle.

                      You never cease to amaze, although you probably do, I start to get used to it. As I used to take your words more seriously, I'm afraid it was a mistake. The orderlies are crying for you. You will not believe me, probably our historians too. Bourgeois Forbes (our time):

                      Eventually not national liberation movements led to the collapse of the British Empire, and, as Adolf Hitler predicted on the eve of World War II, new contenders for world domination are Germany, Japan, Russia... The fall of the empire was rapid - what was created for three centuries, disintegrated in just three decades, leaving the metropolis with several "souvenirs" in memory of its former power.

                      https://www.forbes.ru/sobytiya/vlast/239510-kak-britantsy-navyazali-svoi-poryadki-vsemu-miru

                      This can be said to the official opinion of the British:

                      World Wars I and II weakened Britain and made her less interested in her empire. Also many parts of the empire provided troops and resources for military action and became more and more independent. This led to the steady decline of the empire after 1945.... In the Asian and African colonies, nationalist movements used a number of methods to end British rule. By the late 1960s, most of the UK had become independent countries.

                      https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/empire/intro/overview6.htm

                      It turns out that they disagree with you and believe that the consequences of the war led to a steady decline (although the process began earlier) and it began immediately after the end of the Second World War. So much the worse for the British? How dare they have opinions different from yours? belay
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 March 2021 20: 32
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                        Quote: 123
                        And how does this compare to yours:

                        This is a lie. The share of supplies for money was insignificant and differed by orders of magnitude from the costs of the war and by an order of magnitude from free supplies.

                        The allys have already gifted about 0,7% of the purchased
                        Are you not friends with numbers at all? At least sorted out with the "freebie". You have not shown anything about the costs of the war. And who is lying?

                        Well, hers is mine, well, how can it be. Before you write nonsense, you would have taken an interest in the question, otherwise you would again get into a puddle. Well, at least they read about Lend-Lease on the wiki. Materials and equipment spent or lost in the war were not subject to payment. Payment after the war was subject to what remained after the war, suitable for peaceful use and what the USSR wished to keep for itself. The supplies were for 10 billion, they agreed to pay 722 million, of which the USSR paid 48 million in the 70s, the dollar exchange rate of 45 was about 5 rubles, that is, at 45 prices, about 240 million rubles were paid, lend-lease was delivered for 47 418 million rubles, in total the USSR paid 0,5% of the supplies. The rest of the amount was paid by the Russian Federation, 647 million dollars, at the rate of 45 years, about 3 million rubles, or 370% of the amount of supplies. Moreover, these amounts are excluding shipping costs and excluding inflation. Awesome business, I think you would not agree to receive 7,1% of what you earn ... in half a century.
                        And gifts from the United States are 347,3 million rubles, these are private donations from US citizens through various funds, for example, through the red cross. So yes, you are lying.
                        You spoke with such fervor about history and historical experience, but as it turns out in the history of not belmes. It's sad.

                        Quote: 123
                        You never cease to amaze, although you probably do, I start to get used to it. As I used to take your words more seriously, I'm afraid it was a mistake. The orderlies are crying for you. You will not believe me, probably our historians too. Bourgeois Forbes (our time):

                        And how does this contradict what I said? All sorts of Canada and Australia began to get out of the control of the British Empire even before the First World War.
                        World wars only hastened the process of decolonization.
                      2. 123 Online 123
                        123 (123) 9 March 2021 22: 49
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                        On your advice, I looked at the wiki, so Lend-Lease means:

                        lend - to lend and lease [liːs] - to lease, rent)

                        This is not a gift. Another thing is how much they paid for it. What to do not all financial transactions are profitable. The rest of the Lend Lease debt was officially repaid by the Russian Federation in 2006. What are the claims? Do you feel sorry for American financiers? So go dry them tears crying Why do we need to compost our brains? As it turns out, you are not even in terms of belmes. It's sad.

                        And how does this contradict what I said? All sorts of Canada and Australia began to get out of the control of the British Empire even before the First World War.
                        World wars only hastened the process of decolonization.

                        Did you just speed up the process? so it is possible to talk about the Hitler regime, it has been rolling downhill for a long time and the Second World War only accelerated this process winked
                      3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 10 March 2021 11: 29
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                        Quote: 123
                        This is not a gift. Another thing is how much they paid for it. What to do not all financial transactions are profitable.

                        Listen, oh ... in the sense of getting into a puddle, well, it happens that you aggravate? Apart from the translation of the words lend - lease, you have read something else. Gifts are not gifts, once again, it was a free rent (renting gasoline or stew sounds especially funny). The USSR did not pay for these supplies during the war not a penny under the terms of the contract, all that remained after the war had to either be returned or paid, under the terms of the same contract. Both parties understood this even at the stage of concluding the contract.
                        What can you "climb" on here?
                        On the same terms, deliveries to Britain were carried out, and the British paid about the same 7% of the deliveries and payments were also completed in 2000, although there was no friction between them and the United States. Awesome business.
                        So your statement

                        Quote: 123
                        In terms of financial "losses", the US has risen on military supplies.

                        Lies.

                        Quote: 123
                        The rest of the Lend Lease debt was officially repaid by the Russian Federation in 2006. What are the claims?

                        I have? None. The Americans? It seems not either. This is your ridiculous, nothing more than unreasonable claims to the Americans like they profited from the war.

                        Quote: 123
                        Do you feel sorry for American financiers? So go dry them tears, why do we compost our brains?

                        Why, why are you talking nonsense?

                        Quote: 123
                        As it turns out, you are not even in terms of belmes. It's sad.

                        You again invented something for me and is now indignant at this?
                        Shl. And say I can’t poke you with my nose.

                        Quote: 123
                        Did you just speed up the process? so it is possible to talk about the Hitler regime, it has been rolling downhill for a long time and the Second World War only accelerated this process

                        What has been in your understanding for a long time? Since 2/3 of the 19th century, Britain's share in world GDP has been steadily falling. Even before the start of WWI, the share of the United States exceeded that of Britain. Since then, the question of changing the world hegemon has been only a matter of time.
                        If Germany had not unleashed a world war, then the regime would have existed longer, do you doubt this?
                      4. 123 Online 123
                        123 (123) 10 March 2021 11: 49
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                        What can you "climb" on here?

                        On the development of production. While others were at war, the United States built production. The United States "gave away" everything to everyone, and the gold flocked there. Such is the interesting moment.
                        https://rep.polessu.by/bitstream/123456789/9505/1/157.pdf

                        Lies.

                        ? belay re-read the link above again if you are not satisfied with such information completely.

                        I have? None. The Americans? It seems not either. This is your ridiculous, nothing more than unreasonable claims to the Americans like they profited from the war.

                        As far as I remember, I used the term "rose", but it doesn't matter. The numbers speak for just that. It was WWII that made it possible to concentrate there half of the world's GDP and even more, and to occupy a dominant position in the world financial system. We are still trying to disentangle the consequences.

                        You again invented something for me and is now indignant at this?
                        Shl. And say I can’t poke you with my nose.

                        I just repeated your words. You yourself poke your nose. Good luck with this activity.

                        What has been in your understanding for a long time? Since 2/3 of the 19th century, Britain's share in world GDP has been steadily falling. Even before the start of WWI, the share of the United States exceeded that of Britain. Since then, the question of changing the world hegemon has been only a matter of time.
                        If Germany had not unleashed a world war, then the regime would have existed longer, do you doubt this?

                        I have no doubt that WWII dramatically accelerated this process, which could continue for many decades. How everything would have turned out, if not for the war, one can only guess. It is foolish to deny it. Russia before WWI was also on the rise, you know. How it all turned out I hope it is not necessary to tell?
                      5. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 11 March 2021 02: 15
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                        Quote: 123
                        On the development of production. While others were at war, the United States built production. The United States "gave away" everything to everyone, and the gold flocked there. Such is the interesting moment.
                        https://rep.polessu.by/bitstream/123456789/9505/1/157.pdf

                        Do you think that if the American government invested these funds in its own infrastructure or medicine, production would develop more slowly?
                        I would like to remind you, as a "connoisseur" of history, that the United States entered the war on December 7, 41 years old.
                        Again, if you were interested in the question, you knew that the growth of US GDP in these years is associated with the involvement of women in production (Khrushchev did the same in the 50s), the rejection of low-efficiency industries (like Stalin's industrialization), an increase in the length of the working day , tax increases and deputies, card system. What did the Americans do wrong?
                        Your link is some kind of garbage

                        Lend-Lease ("Lend-Lease") - the US assistance program to allies in the Anti-Hitler coalition - became one of the most important sources of enrichment of the country during the World War

                        We have already found out with you that this is a lie, that it was not a source of enrichment for the United States.

                        At the height of the war, the United States produced 60% of the world's industrial production. In 1948, the share of the United States in the industrial production of Western countries was 55%. The American economy accounted for 50% of world coal production, 64% - oil, 53% - steel smelting, 17% - grain production, 63% - corn

                        What a terrible accusation, what bad Americans, produced 60% of the world's industrial production, just some kind of beasts.

                        The United States has concentrated in its hands about 2/3 of the world's gold reserves

                        I could not find it, but I read somewhere that the US gold reserves by years
                        38g 13 tons
                        40g 19 tons
                        45g 17 t ton
                        52g 22 tons (historical maximum)
                        Perhaps the main increase before the lend-lease law, perhaps other reasons.
                        An increase of 9 tons. Knowing that an ounce cost $ 000, it is not difficult to calculate that the increase amounted to $ 35 million, but I want to remind only the supplies under the USSR lend-lease cost the American taxpayers $ 10, and only $ 127.

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                        As far as I remember, I used the term "rose", but it doesn't matter. The numbers speak for just that. It was WWII that made it possible to concentrate there half of the world's GDP and even more, and to occupy a dominant position in the world financial system. We are still trying to disentangle the consequences.

                        AND? What did the Yankees do wrong? The Americans did not like world wars. Again, I repeat, this war only accelerated the processes going on in the world. Would you prefer Britain to continue to dominate?

                        Quote: 123
                        I just repeated your words. You yourself poke your nose. Good luck with this activity.

                        What words? What did you do there again?
                        Come on, I know that you know that I poked you into the lend-lease story.

                        Quote: 123
                        I have no doubt that WWII dramatically accelerated this process, which could continue for many decades.

                        Well, we can agree on something.
                      6. 123 Online 123
                        123 (123) 11 March 2021 12: 33
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                        Do you think that if the American government invested these funds in its own infrastructure or medicine, production would develop more slowly?

                        I think slower. It developed more slowly until military orders fell from all over the world.

                        I would like to remind you, as a "connoisseur" of history, that the United States entered the war on December 7, 41 years old.

                        On December 7, the United States "stepped" into the war, Japan. Moreover, the beginning for the Americans was no more brilliant than that of the USSR, which is somewhat strange. Having deprived Japan of oil supplies, they should have understood that war was inevitable. Roosevelt was not shrewd than Stalin, who, as the entire "progressive liberal community" knows, slept through the beginning of the war.

                        Again, if you were interested in the question, you knew that the growth of US GDP in these years is associated with the involvement of women in production (Khrushchev did the same in the 50s), the rejection of low-efficiency industries (like Stalin's industrialization), an increase in the length of the working day , tax increases and deputies, card system. What did the Americans do wrong?

                        Take it easy, they all did it. But the involvement of women in production in itself could not give such a result. They were required in production, and the huge volume of orders was due precisely to the war. In the belligerent countries, production was destroyed, and the "workers" sat in the trenches, and after the war there were no fewer orders associated with restoration. If you think that it is enough to allow women to get a job and the economy will "trample" by leaps and bounds, then I have to disappoint you, this is not so. If the Saudis allow their own to work in full, they will not overtake China and the United States in a year.

                        We have already found out with you that this is a lie, that it was not a source of enrichment for the United States.

                        Why is that? The country has a booming production, incomes are growing at a frantic pace. You shouldn't take it literally, as if they brought money for the Lend-Lease by steamers and distributed it to the Americans.

                        What a terrible accusation, what bad Americans, produced 60% of the world's industrial production, just some kind of beasts.

                        Your mockery is not appropriate. Most of the world's production was concentrated there. And the reason for that is the war. They had orders and there was no fighting on American territory, production in the belligerent countries was degrading. Isn't that so?

                        I could not find it, but I read somewhere that the US gold reserves by years
                        38g 13 tones; 40g 19 t. Ton; 45g 17 tons ton; 52g 22 tons (historical maximum)
                        Perhaps the main increase before the lend-lease law, perhaps other reasons.
                        An increase of 9 tons. Knowing that an ounce cost $ 000, it is not difficult to calculate that the increase amounted to $ 35 million, but I want to remind only the supplies under the USSR lend-lease cost the American taxpayers $ 10, and only $ 127.

                        Let me tell you about the growth. During the Great Depression, the dollar was pegged to gold. Since there was not enough money, in 1933 it was withdrawn "voluntarily-compulsorily" from the population at $ 20 per ounce. A year later, gold was worth $ 35. But the population could not settle accounts with them (those who disagreed for 10 years of a non-tolitical democratic non-gulag).
                        Including these methods reached reserves of about 8 thousand tons. (see the graph, data are approximate), since the beginning of the war, the gold reserve has doubled or even more, since 1954 it began to decrease and gradually fell almost to the pre-war level.


                        Judge for yourself a lot or a little. World gold production in 1940 - 1 tons. In the US 200 tons. Gold got there in various ways, it is both payment and brought for storage in the "safe harbor", it is not so important. As a result, in the early 155s, 1950% belonged to the United States. As for the USSR, information came across that the USA took 70 tons. (this is more than the world's annual production) I am not sure of the reliability of the information, but there is no desire to check and search. so I won't insist on it, it's just a note.
                        And you are doing a big foolishness in counting supplies to the USSR. Lend Lease was distributed to 40 countries, the largest recipient being Britain. In addition, part of the deliveries was paid for in cash, including the USSR. The British, for example, even before the Lnd, bought Lisa for 1,5 billion. When the reserves of dollars ran out, the British began to figure out what to do next. Under the current legislation, the US government could lease unused property for 5 years. Britain has requested "on loan" ships for the fleet. This is how the idea of ​​this program was born. And in vain you are making a fiend of hell out of the ungrateful USSR, who has not repaid the debts. All countries did this. And the Americans were reluctant to lend precisely because the tradition of non-return originated in World War I. This is how the system works, not all debts are repaid. It was, is and will be.

                        AND? What did the Yankees do wrong? The Americans did not like world wars. Again, I repeat, this war only accelerated the processes going on in the world. Would you prefer Britain to continue to dominate?

                        How do I know what the Yankees did wrong? What are these stupid questions? I told how it happened. And you ascribe some accusations to me. I would prefer Russia to have a dominant position. But you can't think of such a thought?

                        Come on, I know that you know that I poked you into the lend-lease story

                        Grow out the "poke" and blow out the nostrils from the dirt hi
                      7. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 12 March 2021 13: 24
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                        Quote: 123
                        I think slower. It developed more slowly until military orders fell from all over the world.

                        Maybe.

                        Quote: 123
                        On December 7, the United States "stepped" into the war, Japan. Moreover, the beginning for the Americans was no more brilliant than that of the USSR, which is somewhat strange. Having deprived Japan of oil supplies, they should have understood that war was inevitable. Roosevelt was not shrewd than Stalin, who, as the entire "progressive liberal community" knows, slept through the beginning of the war.

                        This does not change the date of the start of the war for the United States. Is the “progressive liberal community” wrong?

                        Quote: 123
                        Take it easy, they all did it. But the involvement of women in production in itself could not give such a result. They were required in production, and the huge volume of orders was due precisely to the war. In the belligerent countries, production was destroyed, and the "workers" sat in the trenches, and after the war there were no fewer orders associated with restoration. If you think that it is enough to allow women to get a job and the economy will "trample" by leaps and bounds, then I have to disappoint you, this is not so. If the Saudis allow their own to work in full, they will not overtake China and the United States in a year.

                        At the initial stage of the war, the industry did not suffer much, with the exception of the USSR, and even then not all. There is no need to exaggerate, the work of women is only one of the factors. The point is that this GDP growth occurred at the expense of internal resources, and not due to the "robbery" of the world or the supply of weapons for gold.

                        Quote: 123
                        Your mockery is not appropriate. Most of the world's production was concentrated there. And the reason for that is the war. They had orders and there was no fighting on American territory, production in the belligerent countries was degrading. Isn't that so?

                        No not like this. German production grew until almost 45 years old. Manufacturing in England was not particularly affected. The growth in the production of armored vehicles in the USSR increased several times or an order of magnitude. Aircraft at times.

                        Quote: 123
                        Let me tell you about the growth. During the Great Depression, the dollar was pegged to gold. Since there was not enough money, in 1933 it was withdrawn "voluntarily-compulsorily" from the population at $ 20 per ounce. A year later, gold was worth $ 35. But the population could not settle accounts with them (those who disagreed for 10 years of a non-tolitical democratic non-gulag).
                        Including these methods reached reserves of about 8 thousand tons. (see the graph, data are approximate), since the beginning of the war, the gold reserve has doubled or even more, since 1954 it began to decrease and gradually fell almost to the pre-war level.

                        You don't know why the US got this gold in 40 AD. It could well be that the Europeans invested in dollars on the eve of and after the outbreak of the war.

                        Judge for yourself a lot or a little.

                        We have already determined with you that this replenishment of the gold reserve is incomparable with supplies under Lend-Lease, and even more so with the costs of the war.

                        Quote: 123
                        As for the USSR, information came across that the USA took 1 tons. (this is more than the world's annual production) I am not sure of the reliability of the information, but there is no desire to check and search. so I won't insist on it, it's just a note.

                        You don't trust correctly. From the document above, we can see that the difference between Lend-Lease deliveries and total deliveries is less than 0,5 billion rubles, that's less than $ 100 million, that's less than 100 tons of gold.

                        Quote: 123
                        And you are doing a big foolishness in counting supplies to the USSR. Lend Lease was distributed to 40 countries, the largest recipient being Britain. In addition, part of the deliveries was paid for in cash, including the USSR.

                        What is nonsense? The share of the USSR and Britain accounted for 85%.

                        Quote: 123
                        And in vain you are making a fiend of hell out of the ungrateful USSR, who has not repaid the debts. All countries did this.

                        Where am I doing this? Well, OK. How does it change that the war is not beneficial, including for the United States?

                        Quote: 123
                        How do I know what the Yankees did wrong? What are these stupid questions? I told how it happened. And you ascribe some accusations to me.

                        I understand that you are making claims to the Yankees that they "climbed" the WWII.
                        But I don’t understand what you think they did wrong.

                        Quote: 123
                        I would prefer Russia to have a dominant position. But you can't think of such a thought?

                        I would be the same, but this is from the realm of fantasy that we will discuss pipe dreams?

                        Quote: 123
                        Grow out the "poke" and blow out the nostrils from the dirt

                        That's just how the person began to communicate and broke down again.
  • 123 Online 123
    123 (123) 7 March 2021 23: 12
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    Is everything great in Russia with housing, medicine and higher education?

    And where is everything okay with housing, medicine and higher education?

    Per capita income by PPP of the Czech Republic is 42670 dollars per person, this is at the level of Japan, Israel, Spain, Italy. For the Russian Federation, this figure is 28184, in Turkey and Malaysia it is higher.
    And for one Gini coefficient for the Czech Republic is 25.4 (one of the best among the countries of the world), for the Russian Federation is 39,9.

    So let them be vaccinated with the Gini coefficient.

    Interestingly, Putin will give? In the Czech Republic, more than 5 percent of the population is vaccinated, in the Russian Federation 3,5%.

    On Friday I was in the hospital, there is no crush of sufferers. Don't whine, go get vaccinated. Or kicks?

    And ... an author from the Czech Republic ... How can he suffer there poor ... Personally, I don't really care about the problems of the Czechs, especially judging by the indicators, these problems against the background of Russian ones are not problems at all.

    You would have talked to the boy Serezhenka in a personal, discussed the smell in the entrance, what to troll here.

    I wonder where this legend came from that the "West" wants to take away Russian resources by all means? So far, the Russians themselves are happy to supply these resources anywhere for a reasonable price, and nothing portends that it will be different.

    You know the history. We have come several times already. And why shouldn't they buy in Africa or Indochina at a reasonable price? And for some reason they climbed to colonize. Is this news to you? Didn't you pass the exam with the boy Serezhenka?
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 March 2021 01: 48
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      Quote: 123
      And where is everything okay with housing, medicine and higher education?

      I don’t know, but judging by where the Kabzons with Plyushchenki are treated, where the children of Peskov and Lavrov study, and where the children of Mizulina and Yakunin live, this is not all right in the Russian Federation.

      Quote: 123
      So let them be vaccinated with the Gini coefficient.

      Let those who are against it. It's a pity that the Gini coefficient cannot be used instead of firewood. Otherwise I wouldn't have to collect



      Quote: 123
      On Friday I was in the hospital, there is no crush of sufferers. Don't whine, go get vaccinated. Or kicks?

      I have already. But you are right, the Russians do not trust the Russian authorities with these vaccines at all. And they can be understood if he himself is in no hurry to vaccinate. But you must admit how strange it is to send vaccines to countries where the percentage of vaccinated is higher than in your own.

      Quote: 123
      You would have talked to the boy Serezhenka in a personal, discussed the smell in the entrance, what to troll here.

      It's more interesting for me to poke your nose. And it seems strange to me the desire to discuss the smell in Czech porches. No, from a psychological point of view, it is clear, I discussed what was fuming in Czech entrances, and already the stench in my own front door does not hit my nose so badly. But it doesn't make any sense anymore.

      Quote: 123
      You know the history. We have come several times already.

      History is such a thing ... Some argue there is no such science.

      Quote: 123
      And why shouldn't they buy in Africa or Indochina at a reasonable price? And for some reason they climbed to colonize.

      Probably for the same reasons as the Russian tsars climbed to colonize Central Asia with Siberia. They weren't in a hurry to trade either. The only moment no one has acquired colonies for a hundred years. The last colonizer Aloisych received the horns, since then the colonies are only leaving from under the wing of the metropolises. Not economically viable. Is this news for you?

      Quote: 123
      Didn't you pass the exam with the boy Serezhenka?

      I don't know what happened to the Unified State Exam, I was still finishing a Soviet school. What happened to your dear Sergei? Does it bother you? Want to talk about it?
      1. 123 Online 123
        123 (123) 8 March 2021 13: 28
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        I don’t know, but judging by where the Kabzons with Plyushchenki are treated, where the children of Peskov and Lavrov study, and where the children of Mizulina and Yakunin live, this is not all right in the Russian Federation.

        If you are talking about Joseph Kobzon, then he is no longer being treated. Who are Plyushchenki, Mizulins and Yakunins, I honestly find it difficult to say. Peskov is just a journalist, "a conditional analogue" of Psaki, do you keep him for a key figure and the ruling elite? Ask who his wife is, as I understand people are not poor. If you mean that Peskov is doing it at the expense of the state.
        In the United States, good medicine is for the rich, mass medicine is not so great at all. Believe it or not, there are times when people come to us for treatment from the USA.

        Let those who are against it. It's a pity that the Gini coefficient cannot be used instead of firewood. Otherwise I wouldn't have to collect

        And do not speak, otherwise people would not freeze there. I hope you will not consider the source as "pro-Kremlin".
        https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2020/01/17/12914030.shtml

        There are a lot of such examples in the rest of Europe, there would be a desire to notice, and in the United States, you know, with heating it is no better, since the climate is somewhat different, it is easier to survive the winter with a trailer or cardboard box.

        I have already. But you are right, the Russians do not trust the Russian authorities with these vaccines at all. And they can be understood if he himself is in no hurry to vaccinate. But you must admit how strange it is to send vaccines to countries where the percentage of vaccinated is higher than in your own.

        What does it mean to disbelieve the authorities with these vaccines? Are you for the power of the mountain? But the vaccine was made winked And then you spit into our government and medicine sad
        So don't suck theory out of your fingers. Why not send? The third stage of testing is in progress, the vaccine is being "rolled out" in local conditions. It will be sold there, produced there. Moreover, we have no rush. There is no picture with millions standing in line for an injection, but they take the vaccine from their hands and give it to foreigners.

        It's more interesting for me to poke your nose.

        Grow the pumpkin first laughing While she is in your weight category Seryozhenka lol

        And it seems strange to me the desire to discuss the smell in Czech porches. No, from a psychological point of view, it is clear, I discussed what was fuming in Czech entrances, and already the stench in my own front door does not hit my nose so well. But it doesn't make any sense anymore.

        Why not? I don’t know how it’s in the St. Petersburg front doors, I haven’t been there for a long time, in my entrance there are flowers in pots on the windows, strollers and bicycles are not nailed to the wall so that they would not be stolen. Why not discuss the lack of culture of the Czech barbarians?

        History is such a thing ... Some argue there is no such science.

        Some believe in flat earth. Can you talk to them? Will it be more interesting with your own?
        You may not believe in history as a science, but historical experience does not exist for you either? There is no past, there is no need to draw conclusions from it?

        Probably for the same reasons as the Russian tsars climbed to colonize Central Asia with Siberia. They weren't in a hurry to trade either. The only moment no one has acquired colonies for a hundred years. The last colonizer Aloisych received the horns, since then the colonies are only leaving from under the wing of the metropolises. Not economically viable. Is this news for you?

        Everything that you said is really news. Firstly, "Aloisych" 100 years ago, still lightly coughing up after the First World War, and only designed his party. He was still far from colonization. "On the horns got" he a little later, ate on know from whom, please. I will fill another gap in your education.
        Second, move on to the next space.
        The main features of the colony:
        1) Political not independence
        2) Geographic isolation from the metropolis
        3) Economic exploitation of natural resources and local population, which stops the inhibition of economic development and leads to the degradation of the country.
        All this applies to Ukraine, there are a lot of examples. If they are not called a colony by the colonialists themselves, this does not at all mean that they are not a colony.
        So continue to delight with the news of "Chronicles of Mutating Mind" it's so funny laughing

        I don't know what happened to the Unified State Exam, I was still finishing a Soviet school. What happened to your dear Sergei? Does it bother you? Want to talk about it?

        In my opinion, you did not finish it, but skipped it. It doesn't bother me at all, I just recommend that you talk to your soul mate and mind. You will have something to talk about laughing Enjoy your time in scientific debates hi
  • amateur Offline amateur
    amateur (Victor) 7 March 2021 14: 37
    +6
    The story was told by a comrade who served as an emergency telephone operator in the Western Group of Managers / TsGV in 1968 when the Soviet troops entered Czechoslovakia. "Peaceful" Czechs threw stones, bottles of gasoline, and sometimes fired in our direction from hunting rifles. Part stopped on the outskirts of a small Czech town. Sometimes it was required to go outside the unit by car. It was impossible to drive one car - either the wheels would be punctured, or a stone would be thrown into the glass, etc. In general, the Commander still had that headache. The GDR part is located nearby. And once, either the Commander complained to a German colleague, or the German himself took the initiative, but since then, when it was necessary to go somewhere, the Germans gave a motorcycle with a sidecar and two soldiers in uniform and with rolled up sleeves. After that, not only did they throw something, but not a single Czech was in sight. "
    According to a comrade who accidentally overheard a conversation between two commanders, a German told ours: "You shouldn't humiliate yourself before these Czechs. They respect only strength. And only from the sight of the Germans they scatter like cockroaches. Genetic memory."
    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 March 2021 15: 41
      +4
      ... it was ... In 1968, by the way, it was the GDR army that overtook the Czechs most of all, and not the Russian tanks in Prague ...
      1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 7 March 2021 21: 10
        -6
        You yourself live in the Czech Republic, it would be worth knowing the history of what you are writing about so as not to disgrace yourself. The participation of the GDR in the Prague events and the "horror" of the Czechs is a myth. Parts of the GDR army did not enter the Czech Republic, but stood at the border as a reserve. "Inside" there was only a task force of several dozen people.
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 March 2021 22: 25
          +4
          Yeah ... and passed a couple of cars with tanks, which were not here either.
          You clearly draw information from the latest report on this topic from the Bundeswehr History Department from 2018, by Rudiger Wenzke.
          It is clear that it is not very convenient for NATO allies to admit this now.
          In 1968, the Germans literally rushed to Czechoslovakia and there were reasons for this. S The Soviet headquarters was afraid of this. They participated in the preparation of the invasion, but the planned two divisions did not enter Czechoslovakia - they did not let them in, they left them in reserve. After at 21.40 on August 20, 1968, the motorized rifle regiment No. 7 of the GDR army 140 minutes earlier than the appointed time entered the Czech territory in the city of Weiprty - this is just the Sudetenland, from where the Germans were harshly expelled in 194-47, many ended up in the GDR. Czech border guards reported at least the passage of 2 tanks and 2 armored personnel carriers, which demolished the burglar gates, after which the Germans removed them from their post by force. Also, the Czech road construction battalion No. 56, located in the same area, was "neutralized" (in fairness, it must be said that it was an unarmed construction battalion). The troops of the GDR occupied the cities of Veyprty, Hřensko, Bozhi Dar, Nejdek, Klashterets nad Ohři, Hradek nad Nisa, Dubi, and others, as well as the Doupov military training ground.
          Further, as part of the operation, which the Germans themselves gave the name SPERRMAUER, and other units crossed the Czechoslovak border in the Karlovy Vary and Устstí regions, severely disarming the Czech border posts and customs. Along the entire border line of Czechoslovakia / GDR, German troops advanced to a depth of 5 to 30 km, after which they were stopped by the Soviet command at the direct request of the Central Committee of the KSC. It is because of the too brutal behavior of the troops of the GDR. Then they were taken back to German territory.
          And after the events of 1968, units of the GDR army (military intelligence and signalmen) were also present on the territory of Czechoslovakia, although in a very limited number.

          Learn materiel before teaching others hi
          1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
            Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 7 March 2021 23: 08
            -6
            Your assertions are absolutely unfounded and are not supported by anything, as well as fictions about the "horror of Czechs" before the Germans and are nothing more than idle fantasies, so that the materiel has nothing to do with it.
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 March 2021 23: 15
              +5
              And your?
              My materiel is in the archives of the army of Czechoslovakia and the GDR, I also spoke personally with those who remember it. Fortunately, I live right in these places.
              I have given you specific dates, times, names of places and numbers of the participating military units. If you don't believe it, you can check it out.
              And here I am, with all due respect, except just unsubstantiated allegations, did not see anything. Although he was given a document on the basis of which you (or also other interpreters that you can refer to) could have similar thoughts
              1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
                Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 8 March 2021 00: 22
                -4
                Where to "check"? Conversations are nothing more than conversations. And what documents did you show? I did not notice those.
                1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                  Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 March 2021 01: 02
                  +3
                  For the names of documents, part numbers, etc., see above. You just need to be more attentive.
                  And you can surely easily check all this exactly where you draw your deep knowledge from. repeat
                  there must be EVERYTHING there ... laughing
            2. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
              Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 7 March 2021 23: 20
              -6
              By the way, are you a masochist? Why not move to your historical homeland and live for your own pleasure? Why are you suffering so much? There are such individuals in Israel too. For example, on VO there is such a character under the nickname "Maz", He has nothing to do with Jewry (he used his wife as a vehicle to get out of Nezalezhnaya), nobody needed here, because for more than 20 years he could not master Hebrew, yes and did not try to integrate, whines about how bad it is here, but at the same time receives an allowance, not bad at all, medicine, was instilled by Pfizer, there is an apartment and something is not going back to nenko, but prefers to live in the comfortable conditions of the parallel reality ". Something seems to me that you are one of those.
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 7 March 2021 23: 27
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                Quote: Natan Bruk
                Why not move to your historical homeland and live for your own pleasure?

                Natan bruk... Silly, how can a historical homeland replace a real homeland?
                1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
                  Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 8 March 2021 00: 39
                  -2
                  You probably wrote without thinking - both the historical and real homeland of the author is the former USSR, but he lives in the Czech Republic.
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 8 March 2021 01: 06
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                    Natan bruk... Well, let him live, why did they stick to a person? And I wrote everything correctly, the concept of "historical homeland" does not coincide with the concept of "homeland", and you write historical ... the meaning is completely different.

                    I hope that you have thought and understood my remark about your phrase.
                    1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
                      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 8 March 2021 17: 23
                      -1
                      No, I don’t understand. Who was standing on whom?
              2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 March 2021 23: 48
                +3
                Yeah ... this is how they usually start when there is nothing to answer about the case ...
                No, I'm not a masochist - I don't live in Israel laughing
                And you, apparently, find it hard to understand that people abroad end up for a variety of reasons, and not just "dump", as you say so. Apparently this is just your case, but not mine.
                It turned out this way, you know, but at the same time it does not prevent me from loving my Motherland. And I don't need to prove to myself, pouring shit on the place where I left that I did the right thing - I live quite well for myself. Again, unlike you, apparently.
                And when a person has a home, a family, and more than half of his life here, and there has long been no one and nothing, what's the point of coming back ???
                1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
                  Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 8 March 2021 00: 32
                  -4
                  Well, expected. To live for your pleasure, throwing mud at the country that gave you shelter is of course the duty of a true patriot. And where did you get the idea that those who live in Israel are masochists? For example, I am quite satisfied with life, I have confirmed my diploma, I work By profession and I live for my own pleasure, and if I were not happy, I would not refer to any "circumstances", but would change my life. And I definitely do not need to prove that I did the right thing by leaving, I never doubted it.
                  1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
                    Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 8 March 2021 00: 41
                    -3
                    And I am writing here, to be honest, to kill time on duty when there are no calls.
                  2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 March 2021 01: 10
                    +2
                    I'm happy for you! wink
                    True, I do not water my country with mud, I try to adequately assess what is happening. And I also share this with my Czech fellow citizens, as I participate in the political life of the country, and what is bad in it, I want to change for the better to the best of my ability.
                    And I also write about what is good in the Czech Republic when there is a reason for it. And you, by the way, did not understand the article - it is not about the Czech Republic, but about Russia ... No.
                    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                      A.Lex (Secret information) 8 March 2021 20: 48
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                      .................. I remember HOW the Czechs could not stand us (to put it mildly) .... it was the end of the 70s ......... but they could remember WHERE they got funds for the industrial revolution after WWII ... and WHO ALLOWED THEM to bring these funds to their homeland ....... without the Bolsheviks they would not have succeeded .... the only thing I do not know YET - FOR WHAT they were allowed to ...........
              3. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                A.Lex (Secret information) 8 March 2021 16: 54
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                ... the historical homeland you say? So my historical homeland is the USSR ... Are you proposing to return it? ... I think it is necessary!
    2. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 7 March 2021 21: 05
      -4
      This is a lie. Parts of the GDR were not introduced into Czechoslovakia at all, but were in reserve at the border. Czechoslovakia had only an operational group of several dozen people.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 March 2021 18: 04
        +1
        Do you use Wikipedia? My deputy was in Czechoslovakia in 1968. The troops of the GDR were there. Moreover, they acted much tougher than the Soviet ones.
        From the Internet

        After all, not only Soviet, but also Hungarian and German (from the GDR) units entered Czechoslovakia. In the evenings, local resistance groups gathered to the camps of soldiers from the GDR, bringing pots and brushes with them. They pounded into pots, making a terrible roar, shouting: "Get out." The "Cat Concert" did not give the soldiers the opportunity to sleep, it pressed on their nerves. The Germans warned the Czechs once, twice ... On the third night they set up a platoon of machine gunners, and they fired a burst into the crowd. How many people were killed or wounded, history is silent, but the Germans were no longer bothered.

        https://histrf.ru/lenta-vremeni/event/view/vvod-voisk-stran-varshavskogho-doghovora-v-chiekhoslovakiiu
        1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
          Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 11 March 2021 16: 51
          -2
          There were no GDR troops there, and Wikipedia has nothing to do with it. And "from the Internet" I can find you that there were also reptilians there.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 March 2021 16: 58
            +1
            Two quotes. Surprisingly similar.

            This is a lie. Parts of the GDR in Czechoslovakia were not introduced at all,but were as a reserve at the border. In Czechoslovakia there was only an operational group of several dozen people.

            it was decided to abandon the introduction of parts of the GDR into Czechoslovakia at the last moment, they played the role of a reserve on the border, and in Czechoslovakia there was an operational group of the NNA of the GDR of several dozen servicemen

            And from the memoirs of the participants there were troops of the GDR, but they were quickly withdrawn for the simple reason that they did not stand on ceremony with the Czechs. Note, not from the Internet, but from the memories of the participants in those events. I heard about this when there was still no Internet.
  • Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 7 March 2021 18: 00
    -3
    Isn't the Czech Republic the West? Honestly, it's always funny, but you have to accept this term. The West is like a huge and comfortable heap where you can find anything your heart desires. But still, if you compare Russia with someone, you need to choose a specific country, and not an abstract West.
    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 March 2021 19: 47
      +3
      So you have chosen, a separate one, also passed through the socialist camp and merged into the EU, where more specifically? And on this miniature model, one can clearly see what happens to countries trying to integrate into this very West, despite the fact that the West itself does not consider them "its own" in any way.
      And the "abstract West", or rather its governing and driving force, has its own very specific similarity - these are, first of all, the states of the Anglo-Saxon and Germanic language group.
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 7 March 2021 19: 55
        -4
        Quote: Pyshenkov
        So you have chosen

        We chose it ourselves. Think for yourself. There are two options. RF and the rest of the World. RF is to be at the level of LDNR or Abkhazia ($ 100 salary) or Belarus. Or the EU where they help to develop.
        The average salary of 1400 euros in Estonia and 400 of the average pension for an ordinary person is a good achievement for the country in 16 years of being in the EU.
        For me, it is more important how people live, and not with whom the country and how loud it is heard.
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 March 2021 20: 49
          +2
          How people live is more important to me

          - if this is really so, then, firstly, one should not look at the nominal figures of salaries and pensions, but at what in this or that country one can get for this money. And, for example, a citizen of the Russian Federation for the equivalent of 1400 Euro can buy himself only about 2 times more than a Western European. Secondly, we must look at the development trends - in the Russian Federation it is increasing: if you look back, in the 90s or zero, then since that time the standard of living of Russians has definitely improved in comparison with what it was. Yes, probably not as we would like, but it has improved. But in Europe and the United States, he fell - for his salary today, even if it has remained the same or increased, a person can no longer afford the same as before. And lowering your standard of living is always more painful than vice versa. Even if the growth in well-being is not high, the main thing is that it is present.
          The volume of achievements can only be understood by comparing with what was, and not with what you want ...
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 8 March 2021 19: 33
            -2
            Quote: Pyshenkov
            - if this is really so, then first of all, one should not look at the nominal figures of salaries and pensions

            This argument is constantly being given to me. But I found a good answer to this. This is the level of motorization. In the Russian Federation, cars are on average 15 -20% cheaper. A car is a very expensive thing. For 2019 in Estonia there were 550 cars per 1000 people in the Russian Federation 375. If a person has enough money to buy a car, then he has them for everything else.
            New car. In 2019 in the Russian Federation, every 70th resident in Estonia bought it every 50th.
            Another success factor is demographics. The population in Estonia has started to grow since 2015. The country has become attractive for immigration.
        2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 8 March 2021 21: 11
          +1
          Yes, yes, yes .... It is clear that there is a bright Western world and Mordor - the Russian Federation. Passed - we know. That's just WITH US it was CZECHOSLOVAKIA, and FIELD OF US - Czech Republic - a stub of the country. How old is the former united (even as part of Austria-Hungary). And yes, the author is right - the destruction of the industry created after WWII is a fact. Even those enterprises that are still located in the Czech Republic, and those are NOT HER !!! And the "international corporations", which, IN TOTAL, are owned by the Yankees.
          1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
            Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 11 March 2021 16: 54
            -2
            By the way, you are now saying that enterprises in the Czech Republic are not hers. But for example, VAZ in Russia, whose, in the course? The time today is globalization.
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 12 March 2021 08: 40
              0
              Globalization is in your head. We in the USSR still went through a similar "globalization" - when we bought entire factories. Now everything is much simpler - modernization. You have to pay with something (in this case, part of the shares). BUT! A recent example is enough - the breakdown of relations with GM. THIS was gone - the factories remained (and Lada was bought out). Everything is within. Even leaving GM left the factories (albeit closed for the time being). These factories already have another owner - the French. And, again, BUT - these factories (with all the equipment) - IN RUSSIA!
              Would you be better prepared, or what? And it's somehow boring, girl, boring ...
              1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
                Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 13 March 2021 08: 57
                -1
                I'll tell you a secret, a woman - VAZ is part of the Renault-Nissan concern. Roughly the same as the Romanian Dacia. You seem to have written that Czech enterprises do not belong to the Czech Republic - for example, Skoda belongs to VAG. So similarly, VAZ does not belongs to Russia. So, woman, you need to prepare better.
  • Gennady1959 Offline Gennady1959
    Gennady1959 (Gennady) 7 March 2021 21: 03
    +1
    All body movements are based on BABLO... Nobody gives anything to anyone for free. There is no need for illusions. And Russia does not save anyone, but receives a lot of money for the vaccines sold. Absolutely normal pragmatic commodity-money relations.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 8 March 2021 21: 13
      +1
      Nuuuu ... Not that we get a lot of money ... In addition, supplies for the continuation of the production of drugs (and not only from S-19) - ALSO! ......... it's like with a nuclear power plant - too just built ... but the rest is a separate fee.
      1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 11 March 2021 17: 05
        -3
        Are you actually aware of why the Russian authorities are trying to come to an agreement with everyone who has at least some opportunity to produce the Russian vaccine? It is banal - there is a catastrophic lack of capacity. And with permission from the European regulator, it is still very unclear. Those who have such an opportunity, of course buy Pfizer and Modern. In fact, registration in Russia after the second stage of testing (on a small number of young healthy men) and the beginning of vaccination in parallel with the third, main stage of testing is undoubtedly political PR and just a scam. You can understand the EU representative, who said that today getting used to "Sputnik" means playing Russian roulette. Now all statistics are generally classified - practical efficiency, percentage of side effects and complications, etc.
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 12 March 2021 08: 44
          0
          So don't be vaccinated. But you don't need to lie!

          Russian researchers from the Gamaleya Center released a report on the third phase of clinical trials of the coronavirus vaccine GamCovidVac ("Sputnik-V") ... The study was published in the journal "The Lancet".

          Once again - PREPARE BETTER! Call you for not knowing the subject.