In Ukraine: The Millennium War with Russia will end in our victory


The war between Russia and Ukraine has been going on since the existence of Kievan Rus, and Ukrainian patriots are waging it very successfully. This is the opinion of the Ukrainian political scientist Viktor Taran, the former spouse of the People's Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada from the "European Solidarity" Victoria Syumar.


Taran believes that the wars between Russians and Ukrainians began in the middle of the 12th century during the military conflict between Yuri Dolgoruky and Izyaslav Mstislavich over Kiev. At the end of the 15th century, Ukraine opposed Russia as part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania during its war with the Moscow principality and the Crimean Khanate.

In the middle and late 16th century, Ukrainian Cossacks fought against Russia during the Livonian War. At the beginning of the 17th century, Ukraine waged hostilities against the Russians in alliance with the Commonwealth, during which the Ukrainian army occupies Smolensk, Kursk, part of the Moscow region and even reaches the Russian capital. The struggle between Russians and Ukrainians lasts almost the entire 17th century, and at the beginning of the 18th century, the Ukrainian hetman Mazepa began to successfully fight against the Russian Tsar Peter the Great.

The victory of the Russians in the Northern War was the beginning of repressions against the Ukrainian people - the Zaporozhye Sich was destroyed, the capital of the hetmans, Baturyn, was liquidated, and the Haidamaks' protest was suppressed.

In 1917, Ukraine declared itself independent from Russia, then waging wars against both the Bolsheviks and Denikin's troops. After the establishment of the power of the Soviets, Ukrainian patriots went underground and fought against the "occupiers" until the 50s of the 20th century.

The history of relations between Ukraine and Russia is a history of constant wars that lasts almost a thousand years

- emphasized Victor Taran.

In his opinion, the war between the Ukrainians and the Russians continues now, and sooner or later it will end with the victory of Ukraine.
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  1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 3 March 2021 17: 14
    +10
    On account of victory, not a fact laughing but the fact that they have sworn loyalty to Russia for over a thousand years, and then shit ... shit and swear - the true truth.
    1. General Black Offline General Black
      General Black (Gennady) 3 March 2021 17: 32
      +7
      As soon as they regain consciousness after the spanking, they will immediately begin to swear.
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 3 March 2021 17: 37
        +5
        where is consciousness in the knot that holds the ears? belay
        1. General Black Offline General Black
          General Black (Gennady) 3 March 2021 17: 38
          +4
          Not in the bundle. They have just below the waist.
          1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
            Just a cat (Bayun) 3 March 2021 17: 41
            +2
            now I understand why they need harem pants .... this is so that "consciousness" does not accidentally lose.
            1. General Black Offline General Black
              General Black (Gennady) 3 March 2021 17: 50
              +2
              Correctly. Unconscious incontinence of "consciousness".
  2. amateur Offline amateur
    amateur (Victor) 3 March 2021 17: 31
    +6
    And also the Vukrainians won the tender for the digging of the Black Sea against the Protorussians. fellow
    1. General Black Offline General Black
      General Black (Gennady) 3 March 2021 17: 41
      +4
      They broke the price and dug it out for free.
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 3 March 2021 17: 43
        +3
        we were looking for fat ...
        1. General Black Offline General Black
          General Black (Gennady) 3 March 2021 17: 44
          +1
          And tsybulu with kvass ...
      2. amateur Offline amateur
        amateur (Victor) 3 March 2021 18: 03
        +3
        As soon as they dug it up, they immediately realized that the protorusians "lit" them, because they called the new building "Russian Sea". Since then, they have harbored a grudge against the "protomoscals". wassat
        1. Akuzenka Offline Akuzenka
          Akuzenka (Alexander) 4 March 2021 09: 26
          +1
          The war between Russia and Ukraine has been going on since the existence of Kievan Rus, and Ukrainian patriots are waging it very successfully.

          I think the roots of the problem go deeper. I was looking for an answer to the question and did not find: When the mental hospitals were liquidated in the Bandera camp? Tell me. Maybe the dates of their liquidation and the beginning of the rampant banderization coincide?
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  4. Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 3 March 2021 19: 03
    +14
    I will not write anything about the "millennium war", I will only say that the Ukrainian language is less than 200 years old. And this language is synthetic.
    1. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
      BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 3 March 2021 19: 59
      +5
      The millennial pseudo-reich of 140 years since the digging of the Black Sea has lived without brains and continues to do so successfully, and you mean 000 years without a language! :))
    2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 3 March 2021 21: 00
      +3
      there is no such language, Mova is one of the dialects of the Russian language, and those who consider themselves outskirts are ordinary degenerates - mankurt, this is a dead branch of Russians
    3. Xuli (o) Tebenado 3 March 2021 21: 16
      +2
      This "language" is a South Russian peasant dialect interspersed with Polish words.
      I don't know, really, where you counted 200 years there ...
  5. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 3 March 2021 19: 19
    +7
    In 1917, Ukraine declared itself independent from Russia, ...

    And immediately fell under the Germans. And "independence" was declared by 3 people whom no one elected or authorized anywhere. And they declared "independence within the borders of the UPR. This is no more than a quarter of modern Ukraine. Besides the UPR at that time there were Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih and Odessa People's Republics. These were Bolsheviks.
    Question: how long has Ukraine been independent in the course of history? Answer: not at all.
    In 1917. fell under the Germans, in 1992. - for the Americans.
  6. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 3 March 2021 19: 30
    +6
    And with the same "brains" two generations of dillies have already grown up, .....
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 3 March 2021 19: 56
      +1
      conditioned reflexes are not sexually transmitted. it is necessary to train.
  7. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 3 March 2021 20: 56
    +5
    I have long said that the outskirts are a country of victorious idiocy, even in the 12th century these unfinished ones invented the Ukrainians. Dull outskirts, in the 12th century there was no you and your outskirts, and on this territory there have always been and will be Russians
  8. beeper Online beeper
    beeper 3 March 2021 21: 08
    +2
    In the second half of the 2000s, he rested with his family in the Black Sea (this is on the northeastern coast of Crimea), renting a room from Baba Tanya (with his arrival, he unwittingly disturbed the young Turkish emissary who was constantly staying at her place with a "cheerful laptop", who on the same evening decided to move "from illuminated hut "...).

    In conversation, she cursed the Soviet authorities for the "terrible famine of the 1930s" she had experienced.
    But when she talked about herself, she admitted that she was born and raised in Western Ukraine, even under the Polish authorities, and moved to Crimea with her husband already in the 1950s.
    With this in mind, I say to Baba Tanya: "So after all, you survived the Holodomor under the Polish authorities, why do you accuse not Poland, but our Soviet Union of this ?!"
    The owner of the "apartments" pondered and was even surprised at this "paradox of her thinking" (they say, "Well, yes, we had that famine in Poland, it turns out that the Poles starved us ..."), so much was she, then, after the first anti-constitutional anti-people "Maidan coup", foolish head Yushchenko-Bandera propaganda! request
    What can we say about now, when in the current anti-democratic amerokolony "Ukraine" only Banderonazi Goebbelsuchs are given the total right to "broadcast" ?! What are these malicious parasites doing, allegedly "on behalf of the people" ...
    1. Miffer Offline Miffer
      Miffer (Sam Miffers) 5 March 2021 08: 30
      -2
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Голод_в_СССР_(1932_1933)

      You and Baba Tanya are completely lost there. The article contains a map, according to which there was no famine in Romania and Poland at that time, unlike "our Soviet Union." This is really a paradox.
      1. beeper Online beeper
        beeper 5 March 2021 09: 22
        -1
        It’s just you, “buddy,” who are confused, apparently NOT “in the subject” at all, or an anti-Soviet biased “educated man” ??! wassat
        Study this question "completely" for yourself, how it was with that Holodomor of Galician "Ukrainians" in Poland (if you study the issue conscientiously, I guarantee "cognitive dissonance" like Baba Tanya's))), and then "teach"! yes
        1. Miffer Offline Miffer
          Miffer (Sam Miffers) 5 March 2021 14: 08
          -2
          1) For local urya-patriots like you, this is a signature trick: "switch the arrows to the opponent", which you do here over and over again from account to account.
          2) I see that you personally (and several others here) have been "biased" by your employers to such an extent that you will absolutely shamelessly prove with foam at your mouth that there was never famine in the USSR, but there was an abundance.
          3) And words like "anti-Soviet" are high time to throw it in the trash, maybe that Soviet one has been covered with a copper basin for thirty years, and one of the main characters of those events recently celebrated an anniversary.
          4) My deceased mother as a child survived that famine of 32-33 years, and fifteen years later - another one, and I believe her stories more than regular agitprop propagandists.
          5) To teach you is to waste time, because it is known that only the grave will correct you, humpbacked ones.
          1. beeper Online beeper
            beeper 5 March 2021 16: 22
            0
            Sammy, I come from the "rozkurkulen-dispossessed" villagers and my family also survived (but by no means all survived) not only the famine of 1920, 30 and, post-war, 40s, so I know a lot of burning things about it firsthand , from the most reliable sources ... request

            But I wrote specifically about the Holodomor in Poland, which our Zapadensky fellow citizens of Galicians experienced (later, out of the good intentions of Joseph Stalin, freed from Polish oppression and annexed to our Ukrainian SSR), and for some reason, with the insidious submission of the Amerobanderian Goebbelsuchs, avidly blame our Soviet authorities for this misfortune, completely forgetting about their Polish masters, who then belonged to Western Ukraine ?!

            But I clearly see that due to the obvious anti-Soviet (perhaps also pro-Polish, West-Holuiskian ?!) "garbage" biasedness, you were not ready to accept new information for you (or you know it, but cunningly, in Goebbels's way, in service in TsIPSO ?, twisting and at the same time doing "indignant", for the greater "truthfulness", or what ?!) ?! winked
  9. Xuli (o) Tebenado 3 March 2021 21: 13
    -7
    I must say that in world history, wars between neighbors have occurred and are happening almost everywhere. The reasons are different: some kind of offense, the seizure of territories, the ambitions of the rulers, and others. And they were almost always aggravated by the fact that the neighbors are very similar to each other in many ways. It's the same in families: showdowns between friends are much more difficult than with strangers or strangers altogether.
    It's all sad :(.
    1. Cherry Offline Cherry
      Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 4 March 2021 07: 12
      0
      Not understood? There were no wars between "Ukrainians" and Russians! Between the Russians and someone with the Ukrainians who joined them were. Simply because Ukrainians are cowardly in themselves. They are like Tobaccos - petty dirty tricksters and suckers.
      1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 4 March 2021 08: 50
        -4
        There were no wars between "Ukrainians" and Russians!

        Well, yes, it's about the same as if the cat's tail "fought" with the cat itself.
        And then you are already engaged in "incitement". Considering that Russians and Ukrainians are parts of the same people, the former are not much different from the latter. And why are you slandering yourself like that?
  10. shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) 3 March 2021 21: 22
    +6
    A thousand years of wars? Yes bye on Toby, crest, sorted out vodka! Italians, in his opinion, have been successfully fighting the whole world for 2500 years. At one time they even began to win - the British, who were not British at that time, and the French, who were not French, but Gauls, there were no garish lads in embroidered shirts at all in the project, otherwise the Roman legions would have brought them "democracy". Less than a thousand years later, a native of Italian Corsica organized a worldwide flash mob ...
    And only the Chinese have been silently looking at all this crap for centuries, laughing and crawling under the covers ... To be fruitful and multiply, as not even their god bequeathed.
    So maybe the residents of the outskirts can think about a more positive occupation ...
    1. Cherry Offline Cherry
      Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 4 March 2021 07: 14
      0
      And who will feed these fruits? belay
      1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 4 March 2021 08: 54
        -4
        The Chinese chairman recently announced that poverty has been eradicated in China. And this was done much earlier than the planned 2030.
        The Russian chairman cannot boast of this yet, and according to official data, in Russia about 20 million people live below the poverty line. So it would be better for the Russians-Tatyans to think about their food.
  11. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 March 2021 22: 02
    +3
    Kievan Rus' has nothing to do with Ukraine, and the villagers living in Ukraine today began to appear in Kiev and west of it since the 13th century, when these territories were ceded to Poland.
    1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 4 March 2021 05: 28
      +2
      There was no state "Kievan Rus".
      Moreover, in the 13th century there was no Poland.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 4 March 2021 07: 34
        +2
        Poland was then called differently, but that did not disappear from that, and under Kievan Rus I meant the lands of Kievan and a number of other principalities occupied by Poland.
        1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 4 March 2021 08: 57
          +1
          Poland was called differently then

          Now, if it was called differently, that is how it should be called.
          And "Kievan Rus" is a period of time when Kiev was the capital of the confederation of Russian principalities, and not some lands there.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 4 March 2021 11: 07
            +2
            Precisely land, because in the 13th century there was no longer any capital of Rus in Kiev, there was a Polish Catholic village there, in 200 households, inhabited by Polish lackeys. The Metropolitan of Kiev at this time had already left Kiev forever, to Vladimir ...
            1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 4 March 2021 13: 24
              0
              Comrade, IstorEG, I leave you alone with my nonsense ...
              1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 4 March 2021 15: 43
                -1
                The final approval of the concept of "Kievan Rus" in the state-political sense took place in the Soviet era, when Academician B. D. Grekov published his main works, which became textbooks: "Kievan Rus" (1939) and "Culture of Kievan Rus" (1944). Clarifying the meaning of the term, Grekov noted the following:
                I consider it necessary to point out once again that in my work I am dealing with Kievan Rus not in the narrow-territorial sense of this term (Ukraine), but in that broad sense of the “empire of Rurikovich” corresponding to the Western European empire of Charlemagne, which includes a huge territory, which subsequently formed several independent state units.

                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Киевская_Русь
          2. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 4 March 2021 14: 16
            +1

            The term Kievan Rus has been used by historians since the 19th century in order to distinguish in their writings the epochs of the formation of the Russian state.

            The term for the use of learned men has migrated into our lives. Russia itself did not know that it would ever be called that. yes
  12. Artyom76 Offline Artyom76
    Artyom76 (Artyom Volkov) 3 March 2021 23: 14
    +3
    And scientists think where the Neanderthals disappeared? And it turns out that they did not disappear anywhere, ... they just rested for a long time, they were tired - they dug the Black Sea all the same ... laughing
  13. shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 4 March 2021 01: 30
    +1
    Oh yes, they will win, they will declare war and surrender the next day.
  14. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
    Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 4 March 2021 05: 35
    +1
    A thousand years is not enough!
    Let's count from the Nativity of Christ. Better yet, from the creation of the world.
  15. Forward!
    With a bare bottom on a barefoot chair ...
  16. Cherry Offline Cherry
    Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 4 March 2021 07: 52
    0
    In his opinion, the war between the Ukrainians and the Russians continues now, and sooner or later it will end with the victory of Ukraine.

    Has he been looking at the map for a long time? As Chancellor Bestuzhev said (not literally):

    You will reach the Volga, and further? You will reach the Urals ... And then? To smell the Russian heel, you need to reach Kamchatka! Can you?
    1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 4 March 2021 14: 08
      0
      You will reach the Volga, and further? You will reach the Urals ... And then? To smell the Russian heel, you need to reach Kamchatka! Can you?

      In my opinion, this is from the book "Myths and Tales of the Peoples of Chukotka".
      1. Cherry Offline Cherry
        Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 4 March 2021 14: 50
        0
        Yes, you are the only one here - the ultimate truth.
        1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 4 March 2021 15: 22
          0
          Throw a link to "Chancellor Bestuzhev".
          1. Cherry Offline Cherry
            Cherry (Kuzmina Tatyana) 4 March 2021 15: 49
            0
            Can you read? "As Chancellor Bestuzhev said (NOT COMPLETELY) ". I read about it 35 years ago. What links? It was historical material.
            1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 4 March 2021 16: 49
              0
              It was someone's nonsense, I'll tell you right away.
              If you give out someone's nonsense, then give out the link where you dug it up. And so everyone may think that the delirium began with you.
              And there was no "Chancellor Bestuzhev", but there was "Bestuzhev-Ryumin".
  17. oracul Offline oracul
    oracul (leonid) 4 March 2021 07: 53
    0
    Another delusion. What ruined Kievan Rus? Disintegration into specific principalities, not a desire to join forces to resist external threats. Like it or not, Moscow has solved this problem. And the elite of Ukraine in spirit, it is truly a Gulyai-field. Everyone is looking for who will pay for the banquet.
    1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 4 March 2021 09: 29
      0
      For the thousandth time I can repeat that there was no state "Kievan Rus".
      And appanage principalities were almost always there.
      1097 - Congress of Russian princes in Lyubech (beginning of feudal fragmentation).
  18. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
    EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 4 March 2021 10: 08
    +1
    Simply - the history of betrayals (to betray in time is not to betray, but to foresee). Unable to unite and confront the enemies on their own, they looked for situational allies, and more often for strong masters. So they rushed about. And often they "bet on the wrong horse" (the clearest example is Mazepa, three times (maybe I’m mistaken) he betrayed successfully, but the last time it didn’t work out. History repeats itself ...
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  20. Alex Ivanov_2 Offline Alex Ivanov_2
    Alex Ivanov_2 (Alex Ivanov) 4 March 2021 14: 49
    0
    Quote: Just Cat
    On account of victory, not a fact laughing but the fact that they have sworn loyalty to Russia for over a thousand years, and then shit ... shit and swear - the true truth.

    What are you talking about? What are * Ukrainians *? When did the first mention of * Ukrainian * appear as an alleged ethnic group? You know? And read the letter of the treaty between Khmelnitsky and the Russian Empire, where the word is Ukraine and not close! And what territories were part of the empire under the treaty! And the term reunification of Ukraine with Russia was invented by the Bolsheviks.
    1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 4 March 2021 15: 12
      +1
      And read the letter of the treaty between Khmelnitsky and the Russian Empire

      ABOUT! Another story!
      The Russian Empire was proclaimed in 1721, and Khmelnitsky died in 1657.
  21. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
    Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 5 March 2021 13: 24
    0
    ... and Ukrainian patriots conduct it very successfully

    - I’ll even say more. They even won it more than once. Together with the Georgians, even heading the "defeated country". Clinic.