Do I need to finish building the frigate "Admiral Kornilov" for the Russian fleet


Against the background of the recent proposals of the Yantar plant for the Ministry of Defense for the completion of perhaps the most beautiful project of the fleet - the frigate of project 11356 (code "Petrel") "Admiral Kornilov", I decided to substantively analyze the question of how expedient it is to complete the fourth ship for the Russian Navy in its current form.


The issue requires discussion, since the frigates of this project (although formally they are nevertheless classified as patrol ships - TFR) have been repeatedly criticized from a number of sources about rather mediocre tactical and technical characteristics (TTX), primarily in terms of weapons. In this regard, let us dwell on the main combat systems of the ship: strike weapons, air defense and anti-aircraft defense.

Tactical strike weapons


With a rather impressive dimension of 3620 tons of standard displacement and 4035 tons of full, the frigate has only one vertical launcher 3С14 for 8 cells. Those. the ship of the far sea zone carries the same number of cruise missiles, as five times less in displacement MRK "Karakurt" pr. 22800 with its 870 tons of displacement! What is even more “surprising” is the truncated capabilities of the 3S14 launcher: according to the data of the OJSC “Design Bureau of Special Machine Building”, the frigate launcher only accommodates missiles of the Caliber 3M14 family, but does not allow the placement of products from the 3M55 complexes (Onyx anti-ship missiles) and 9K. Thus, the Burevestnik is inferior in its strike capabilities to the same Karakurt or the corvette of project 20385. Against the background of the Gorshkov-class frigate with its 16 cruise missiles on ships of the first series and 32 missiles on ships of the second series, project 11356 looks completely - so pale. Meanwhile, it is obvious even to a layman that there is more than enough space on the Burevestnik's bow deck to accommodate one or two additional UKSK units (subject to displacement of RBU-6000).


Air defense system


By the way, the air defense of this ship is perhaps its strongest side, since the main means of defense against an air enemy is a modern multi-channel medium-range air defense system "Shtil-1", suitable for repelling massive air attacks with simultaneous guidance of up to three 9M317M missiles to each target and the affected area at a distance of up to 50 km. The author does not question the effectiveness of this air defense missile system, given that he was essentially "suffered" during the factory tests of the "Grigorovich" and "Essen". Another thing is that the number of anti-aircraft missiles (24 units) raises questions about their sufficiency, especially in the conditions of single service by these frigates at a great distance from naval bases (naval bases). At the same time, the near-zone air defense in the form of two AK-630M anti-aircraft guns, located on the side, give a very small increase in the combat stability of the ship when defending against air attack weapons for a number of reasons.


Thus, the circular probable deviation (CEP) of the AK-630M complex projectiles, according to the information contained in the specialized literature, is in the range of 4,0-4,28 mRad. Those. at a distance of 1500 m from the ship, the dispersion of shells from the aiming point is from 4 to 4,28 m, and the dispersion area will reach 40 square meters. Thus, in theory, for every 1000 shots fired from the AK-630M in the so-called. midsection of the anti-ship missile, will hit +/- 4 shells, which should be enough to destroy the missile in flight. But with a maximum rate of fire of 5000 rounds per minute, a burst of 1000 rounds takes 12 seconds. During this time period, even a subsonic anti-ship missile will fly at least 3000 meters, a supersonic one - at least twice as much. With the maximum range of the AK-630M of 5 km (effective 4 km), it becomes clear that this anti-aircraft machine gun, even in theory, can fight modern anti-ship missiles (especially with supersonic ones) on the brink of its capabilities. And this is even without taking into account the significant reaction time of the complex to the detected targets, as well as the difficulties in detecting subtle anti-ship missiles with the outdated ZAK radar.

Considering that the Indian versions of the frigate pr. 1135.6 "Talvar" instead of the AK-630M are equipped with the "Kashtan" air defense missile system, therefore there is enough space on the deck and under-deck space to accommodate analogues. It goes without saying that the option with the installation of modern complexes of the "Broadsword" / "Pantsir-M" type, which will significantly enhance the ship's self-defense capabilities, suggests itself.

Anti-submarine defense system


The biggest complaint about the Burevestniki is the hydroacoustic complex. According to the official data of JSC Concern Okeanpribor, the outdated (more correctly arch-ancient) subkeel SJC MGK-335EM-03 Platina has a detection range of a submarine (with Re = 10 m) of only 10–12 km. At the same time, relatively modern GAS "Zarya" on projects 20380/22350 allow detecting submarines at a distance of up to 45 km. The frigate is completely devoid of a towed GUS! In fact, to send such a ship into the open sea without anti-submarine cover means knowingly sending it to slaughter. Apparently, this is precisely why the frigate 11356 lacks a modern anti-submarine and anti-torpedo system, but antiquarian torpedo tubes PTA-53 are placed: there is nothing to give out normal target designation, so there is no point in spending money on the same “Packet-NK”.


The situation is not corrected in any way by the placement of the Ka-27PL / M deck helicopter on the ship, since, firstly, it cannot carry out constant duty, and secondly, its lowered OGAS is capable of detecting underwater targets at even shorter distances than the ship itself - really not more than 8 km. On versions of the Ka-27M, the sighting and search device is absent from the word "completely", which makes it impossible to bring the helicopter to the target even if the enemy is detected. In fact, all the frigate's hope in terms of anti-torpedo defense is the RBU-6000 installation, which with its own salvo can create a continuous field of destruction in the path of enemy attacking torpedoes. However, these torpedoes still need to be detected ...

As a summary


In general, it is obvious that the frigates of project 11356 in their current form have critical shortcomings, without the elimination of which it is pointless to count on their successful implementation of real combat missions in a real war (or at least their survival).

An immediate modernization is required with the replacement of almost all key combat systems (with the exception of the Shtil-1 air defense missile system), otherwise the presence of these three ships in the Black Sea Fleet (especially the possible completion of the fourth one) can be considered conditional. Without a doubt, spending budget money on the Admiral Kornilov without its deep modernization is unreasonable. Perhaps it would be much more rational to invest them in the 22350 frigate building program.
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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 28 February 2021 15: 26
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    Against the background of the recent proposals of the Yantar plant for the Ministry of Defense for the completion of perhaps the most beautiful project of the fleet - the frigate pr. 11356 (code "Burevestnik") "Admiral Kornilov"

    As I understand it, money has already been allocated for this project. And if they stop completing the construction, when will they allocate more money? The author argues correctly, but we are not now in Soviet times. Ships are sorely lacking. I agree to this one, but hurry up!
  2. wolf46 Offline wolf46
    wolf46 28 February 2021 16: 52
    +4
    It is clear that the construction of frigates 13356 was a temporary solution. But so truncated, especially in comparison with the Talvar? .. The completion of the Admiral Kornilov as a prototype of the subsequent modernization of his fellows makes sense.
  3. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
    Volkonsky (Wolf) 28 February 2021 18: 16
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    Now the Russian Navy includes three of the six ships of this class ordered by the fleet. The frigates "Admiral Grigorovich", "Admiral Essen" and "Admiral Makarov" managed to receive Ukrainian engines and became part of the Black Sea Fleet (more precisely, the first two entered and have already managed to check in in Syria, and "Admiral Makarov" is undergoing its final tests). The three remaining frigates of the "Admiral's" series - "Butakov", "Istomin" and "Kornilov" are in various stages of readiness in conservation at the Kaliningrad plant "Yantar". They were intended for the Baltic Fleet. But their construction was frozen due to Ukraine's refusal to supply the M7N power plants, previously paid for by Russia, made by Zorya-Mashproekt (the unit consists of two DC71 gas turbine engines with a capacity of 8,45 thousand hp and two D090 gas turbine engines with a capacity of 22 thousand hp, the total total capacity of the installation is 60,9 thousand hp). In view of this, even their possible sale to the Indian Navy was considered.

    We are talking about frigates of the modified project 11356 of the Burevestnik type. Admiral Butakov, laid down in July 2013, construction frozen, 100% complete, but no engine, mothballed at the wall. "Admiral Istomin", founded in November 2013, the situation is the same, except in an even less advanced state of construction. There, the installation of many units, especially those related to the engine room, did not even begin. The sixth frigate of the series, "Admiral Kornilov", was just laid down this year, but the prepared units and structures were mothballed due to the impossibility of continuing construction. Nobody is in a hurry anywhere - there is no main power plant (main power plant) of the ship. The plant is idle, as the slipways are occupied by frozen frigates, and is suffering losses. The fleet did not receive ocean-class ships, which it needs now in Syria. And Ukraine is happily rubbing its hands, since it has already received money for its gas turbine units as an advance payment and is not going to return it (let it return Crimea first). The Americans, too, are watching this with ill-concealed joy.

    The development of its own gas turbine power plants produced by Rybinsk PJSC UEC-Saturn is still in the R&D stage. Yaroslavl engine builders promptly proposed for these purposes to use the all-mode gas turbine unit MA4, which they are developing, consisting of four M70FRU gas turbine engines with a maximum power of 14 thousand hp. each, configured according to the 2 + 2 scheme, with a total total capacity of 56 thousand hp, but taking into account the need for time to develop gearboxes for it, the production and development of which are entrusted to PJSC "Zvezda" (St. Petersburg), as well as time for fine-tuning the aforementioned engines to the series (so far only bench tests are underway), the installation of Rybinsk power plants on unfinished frigates can be expected no earlier than in a few years.

    I wrote this a couple of years ago. A question to the author - what is the fate of "Istomin" and "Butakov"? It looks like they were sold to India after all? And she put Ukrainian gas turbine units (gas turbine units) on them, which allowed the non-brothers to sell the same engines twice. I would like to draw the attention of everyone who thinks that we have already buried Ukraine - for now, it is burying us with its engines. "Admirals" have been standing at the wall for 7 years, occupying the slipway. I am already silent about money. The same problems are with the heavy frigates of the project 22350, and the corvettes of the project 20380/20385 (Germany has not supplied us with power for the latter). The USA knew where they were hitting in 2014 - we stopped developing our surface fleet in the far sea zone for 10 years. If they took Nikolayev for themselves, then there would be no such problems.
    1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 28 February 2021 20: 38
      -2
      You told everything so openly. And how can you defend the shame of the nation with foam at the mouth so?
      1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
        Volkonsky (Wolf) 28 February 2021 20: 51
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        Because, dear comrade steelmaker, you see the picture of the world only from your side - from the trench, go higher - to the checkpoint, from there the situation will already seem different. Therefore, all the advice to the Kremlin on how it should act, from your colleagues couch analysts and even from me, can be safely divided by 38. In short, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow there will be a text, where I explain everything in a popular way. Unfortunately, it came out long - had to be torn in half. Tomorrow there will be a part explaining the events of 7 years ago from the point of view of geopolitics (the same KP, where you have not been, I myself came to this a couple of years ago - in 2018, now the puzzles have finally come together). In the next. the text will be an analysis of the current situation and my forecast for the short term. The forest is being cut - the chips are flying. Ukraine turned out to be a splinter. RF - forest. You know the lumberjack.
        1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
          steelmaker 28 February 2021 21: 09
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          So you got information about the engines from the trench? Under Stalin, such information would have been enough to put everyone involved in the "wall"! So do not try to pull the owl onto the globe, it will not work.
          1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
            Volkonsky (Wolf) 28 February 2021 21: 17
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            and who to put against the wall? Ukrainians who refused to supply gas turbine to the aggressor? I had to think before, when they designed ships with 85% localization, so 15% was cut off for you, did you think Ukraine is your friend? as you can see, the Americans did not think so. It was necessary to take Nikolaev together with the Crimea at least in 2014, at the same time they would have left the Dnieper water for the Crimeans
            1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
              steelmaker 28 February 2021 21: 23
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              And, "should have been," are you telling me this? And Putin has nothing to do with it? You yourself, at least raise your head from the trench and immediately see the guilty one!
              1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                Volkonsky (Wolf) 28 February 2021 21: 26
                -1
                wait for tomorrow's text
                1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
                  steelmaker 28 February 2021 21: 27
                  +1
                  Okay. Let's see how to pull the owl onto the globe!
                  1. bonifacius Offline bonifacius
                    bonifacius (Alex) 1 March 2021 00: 44
                    +1
                    It's a pity that people who know how to run the state are already working as hairdressers, taxi drivers and ... steelworkers.
      2. Man with a gun Offline Man with a gun
        Man with a gun (Man with a gun) 5 March 2021 03: 36
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        Shame on what nation, and in what ?! If the fact that they did not return their land completely, then yes, there is nothing to be proud of. And if you are talking about what they are howling in the outskirts, then the shame of the nation that is behind all this, including the fact that Donbass is still suffering and Nikolaev has not been taken! We must tell what kind of nation.
    2. Nikolay1976 Offline Nikolay1976
      Nikolay1976 (Nikolai) 28 February 2021 21: 09
      +1
      The same problems are with the heavy frigates of project 22350 ....

      Didn't they make a new power plant for these frigates in Rybinsk? Isn't this setup used in "Admiral Kasatonov"?
      1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
        Volkonsky (Wolf) 28 February 2021 21: 23
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        "Admiral Kasatonov" was still lucky - he got the engine from the Ukrainians before the events of 2014, but the other two "admirals" will have to wait for Rybinsk GTEs and they will get them first, and then everyone else will get them. “On gas turbine engines, we are working in accordance with the plan, the first engines produced by NPO Saturn will receive frigates of Project 22350, then corvettes, vessels with a dynamic principle of support, and by mid-2018 they will go to frigates of Project 11356,” he said. in December 2016 the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexey Rakhmanov. While plans do not disagree with deeds.
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  4. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 28 February 2021 21: 14
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    I've already read this somewhere ...
    And, from a month to VO !!!
  5. Artemy Gromov Offline Artemy Gromov
    Artemy Gromov (Artemy Gromov) 28 February 2021 21: 14
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    Quote: Volkonsky
    A question to the author - what is the fate of "Istomin" and "Butakov"? It looks like they were sold to India after all?

    With regard to "Istomin" and "Butakov" - they are being completed for India, the decision was made a long time ago.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Wolf) 28 February 2021 21: 27
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      I know whose engines are? all the same - Ukrainian?
  6. Artemy Gromov Offline Artemy Gromov
    Artemy Gromov (Artemy Gromov) 28 February 2021 21: 20
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    Quote: wolf46
    It is clear that the construction of frigates 13356 was a temporary solution. But so truncated, especially in comparison with the Talvar? .. The completion of the Admiral Kornilov as a prototype of the subsequent modernization of his fellows makes sense.

    The fact of the matter is that there is no question of any modernization. Although it is quite possible to bring these ships to mind, and this will not require any exorbitant costs. At the exit, it will be possible to get a grouping of 4 serious ships (including Kornilov), which will really be of combat value, and not display a flag.
  7. Artemy Gromov Offline Artemy Gromov
    Artemy Gromov (Artemy Gromov) 28 February 2021 21: 24
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    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    I've already read this somewhere ...
    And, from a month to VO !!!

    Excluded
  8. Artemy Gromov Offline Artemy Gromov
    Artemy Gromov (Artemy Gromov) 28 February 2021 21: 33
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    Quote: Volkonsky
    I know whose engines are? all the same - ukrovskie?

    Yes, the Indians wanted to buy the engines paid for by Russia and manufactured
  9. greenchelman Offline greenchelman
    greenchelman (Grigory Tarasenko) 28 February 2021 21: 39
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    What about the engine? This issue is not considered at all in the material. If the main power unit is present there, well, at least in a warehouse, then the modernization of such a ship is possible and desirable. If the engine is in Ukraine, then the money spent on the ship is a pity, but it will be cheaper to use it as a donor for other ships.
    1. Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
      Wanderer039 1 March 2021 22: 10
      +3
      The engines already exist in the Russian Federation, only their serial production is needed, and all of it will have to be adjusted, because the same engines as on 11356 are going to be installed on new landing ships
  10. Artemy Gromov Offline Artemy Gromov
    Artemy Gromov (Artemy Gromov) 28 February 2021 22: 34
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    Quote: greenchelman
    What about the engine? This issue is not considered at all in the material. If the main power unit is present there, well, at least in a warehouse, then the modernization of such a ship is possible and desirable. If the engine is in Ukraine, then the money spent on the ship is a pity, but it will be cheaper to use it as a donor for other ships.

    Engines in Rybinsk for 22350 were made at the very least, so they can be adapted for the 11356 project as well. But as a donor of spare parts for Kornilov it will not work, he still exists only in the form of a naked body. As for the article, only the combat systems of the already built series of ships were considered. Claims to them, not to the power plant.
  11. Tektor Offline Tektor
    Tektor (Tektor) 1 March 2021 12: 08
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    Naturally, a combat unit with Zircon will weigh significantly in a naval battle. Therefore, I would finish building Kornilov as soon as possible.
  12. wolf46 Offline wolf46
    wolf46 1 March 2021 15: 36
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    Quote: Artemy Gromov
    Engines in Rybinsk for 22350 were made at the very least, so they can be adapted for the 11356 project.

    For one ship, no one will do this. For the second decade in the Kaliningrad region, the buildings "Tuman" (project 11540) and "Borodino", which were also not completed at the "Yantar", have been rusting.
    It is easier to buy one propulsion system in Ukraine (albeit with an overpayment and through gasket firms) than three - corruption on Independence has not disappeared anywhere.
    1. Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
      Wanderer039 1 March 2021 22: 08
      +2
      The new landing ships are going to be equipped with the same engines as on 11356, so the engines in the series are launched in any way.
  13. Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
    Wanderer039 1 March 2021 22: 07
    +3
    According to the author's logic, it makes no sense to build project 20380 corvettes, since it does not carry the Caliber rocket-torpedoes, and the Package has a ridiculous range, which is enough for the ship's self-defense from the torpedo coming at it, but not enough to attack a submarine. Things are even worse with Karakurt. It has no anti-submarine weapons, only melee air defense systems, which allows you to fight off enemy missiles, does not allow you to shoot down planes attacking it .... Moreover, on the first two Karakurt, the air defense consists of just 30 mm machine guns and that's it, but on Buyan M, which also do not have anti-submarine weapons, 30 mm air defense cannons are supplemented only with MANPADS ..... As for the frigate 11356, in the west it is classified as an air defense frigate. It has a working medium-range air defense missile system and here you can also hit the aircraft attacking the ship, and not only their missiles, as in Karakurt. Corvette 20380 can also be loaded with medium-range air defense missiles, but there will be even fewer of them, only 12 pieces, versus 24 for frigate 11385, and the vaunted frigate 22350 carries only 32 medium-range air defense missiles, which is still not enough to repel a massive air attack on a single ship enough, and enemy aircraft cannot be reached with melee missiles. .... 11356 has RBU-6000, for self-defense from enemy torpedoes going to the ship is enough, and with 533 mm torpedoes you can try to get an enemy submarine, nevertheless, their range is greater than that of the Package .... As for me, 11356 needs to be completed. and finish building for the Russian fleet, which catastrophically lacks ships in the sea and ocean zones.
  14. Artemy Gromov Offline Artemy Gromov
    Artemy Gromov (Artemy Gromov) 2 March 2021 08: 17
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    Quote: Tektor
    Naturally, a combat unit with Zircon will weigh significantly in a naval battle. Therefore, I would finish building Kornilov as soon as possible.

    In order for the frigates to use the Zircon, they need to be upgraded. Moreover, most likely with the replacement of the entire UKSK, as well as to install a modern BIUS "Sigma" together with a more modern millimeter-wave radar to improve the target designation accuracy. In the current configuration, it is impossible to use the Zircon anti-ship missile system from Project 11356.