Russia should drain the oil pipeline nationalized by Ukraine


Nationalization began in Ukraine. According to the decision of the National Security Council (NSDC), the pipeline, through which diesel fuel comes from Russia, was returned to the state property. And all would be fine, but President Zelensky took this step clearly for political reasons, to settle scores with his "pro-Russian" opponent. How will this whole situation affect the supply of oil products from our country to Europe?


We are talking about the main pipeline "Samara - Western Direction", through which diesel fuel is supplied to the European Union. The oil product pipeline goes to the territory of Belarus, from where one of its lines leads to Latvia, and the second - through Ukraine to neighboring Hungary. After the collapse of the USSR, the Ukrainian branch was supposed to become the property of Nezalezhnaya, but it remained in the hands of PrykarpatZapadtrans, a subsidiary of the Russian Transnefteprodukt. In 2011, Ukraine tried to return the pipeline through the courts, but in 2015 "due to newly discovered circumstances" this decision was canceled. At the same time, PrykarpatZapadtrans was sold to an entrepreneur from Germany, Anatoly Schaefer, and a citizen of Belarus, Nikolai Voroby. And now the Ukrainian law enforcement agencies have suspected the expert opinion, which formed the basis of the court decision of 2015. Following a meeting with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the NSDC decided to return the oil product pipeline:

Having considered this issue, the National Security and Defense Council decided to take urgent measures to return the state property of the people of Ukraine.

And everything would be fine if it was really done for the good of this very people of Ukraine. Unfortunately, we have before us the usual mixing political accounts of the "servant of the people" with his opponents. In Nezalezhnaya, it is not particularly hidden that in this way there is a "rush" on businessman and politician Viktor Medvedchuk, who is known as "Putin's godfather." (At the beginning of the XNUMXs, Vladimir Vladimirovich became the godfather of his youngest daughter Daria.)

Today Viktor Medvedchuk is considered almost the main pro-Russian politician in Ukraine. Together with presidential candidate Yury Boyko, he repeatedly visited Moscow and St. Petersburg, where they held high-level talks on gas transit. In the elections to the Verkhovna Rada in 2019, the party "Opposition Platform - For Life" led by them received 13,5% of the vote and 44 parliamentary seats. Yuri Boyko, who competed in the presidential election to Vladimir Zelensky, scored 11,67%, becoming the fourth. Last year, the opposition party won local elections in six regions, and in Kiev, the OPZhZ representative won second place. In other words, the conventionally “pro-Russian” political force in Independence is gradually gaining points. At the same time, the rating of trust in President Vladimir Zelensky fell below 20%, and his party was in fourth place. Three quarters of Ukrainians surveyed believe that the country is on the wrong course. Judging by the numbers, where exactly to go, they still cannot decide: ex-president Poroshenko is supported by 10,6%, Yulia Tymoshenko - 8%, Yuriy Boyko - 7,4%. That is, the competitors are pretty close.

Obviously, in order to avoid the growing popularity of the "pro-Russian" candidate, the "servant of the people" launched a frontal attack on Medvedchuk's team. At first, three opposition TV channels were blocked, which showed a picture that was not very pleasant to official Kiev. Then personal sanctions were imposed on the "godfather of Putin" and his wife Oksana, as well as several Russians with the ominous and promising phrase "for financing terrorism." The property and assets of the oppositionist were blocked for three years, the ability to withdraw funds abroad was limited. And now the withdrawal of the oil product pipeline in favor of the state.

Neither Medvedchuk nor his wife directly owns the PrykarpatZapadtrans company, but the German entrepreneur Anatoly Schaefer is considered to be close to him, through whom he actually manages. Why all this is being done is also understandable: the “servant of the people” is trying to knock out their material base from under his political opponents. Well, who would have thought that the "cutie" Zelensky would be capable of this, gradually turning into a parody dictator, either with a cocked hat on his head, or with a little mustache sprouting slowly.

The key question is what will happen next with the supply of Russian diesel fuel to Europe via the nationalized pipeline. It is likely that now Kiev will start raising tariffs for pumping oil products through its territory. Considering that our diesel fuel is used, among other things, for refueling Ukrainian tanks and other armored vehicles, which have been used for the seventh year in Donbas and are concentrated near the Russian western borders, it may be worth considering reorienting export supplies from Nezalezhnaya to an alternative sea route.
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  1. Robot Bobot Offline Robot Bobot
    Robot Bobot (Robot Bobot Free Thinking Machine) 22 February 2021 12: 36
    +5
    drain the pipe! we won't give them oil!
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 February 2021 12: 44
      +5
      The diesel fuel is already flowing there ...
      1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 22 February 2021 14: 26
        +1
        Only business ... Someday it will end anyway. I hope anyway.
  2. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 22 February 2021 13: 38
    +3
    In response, Russia should be nationalized, and then the gas pipe from Kursk to the Ukrainian border can be sold to another company. This will allow subsequently, without the participation of Gazprom, to cut off the gas supply through Ukraine without any consequences.
  3. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 22 February 2021 14: 22
    -2
    Either it will still be with Medvedchuk and K ...

    1. SergeySer Offline SergeySer
      SergeySer 25 February 2021 03: 01
      0
      Your Ze promised to plant Gunpowder and the whole company that has been robbing the country in recent years, not a single planting in 2 years ... And here I decided to recoup Medvedchuk, on his projects that really bring money and not small to the treasury ... you think Russia is nothing in return will not undertake?, can you immediately prepare for an increase in fuel prices, and also forget about receipts to the treasury ... the story with gas taught you nothing?!)
      1. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
        Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 18 May 2021 09: 50
        0
        It is necessary to write correctly - "... which really bring money and not small money to the treasury of Russia ..."
    2. Tungsten Molybdenum (Tungsten Molybdenum) 17 May 2021 18: 34
      0

      party of servants of the people of the president of Ukraine
  4. isofat Online isofat
    isofat (isofat) 22 February 2021 14: 58
    0
    The ruling community of Ukraine has decided that the pipeline will rebuild the Ukrainian people. When performing the work, it may be necessary to drain the pipe, which will require additional costs, which the Ukrainian community also wants to shift onto the shoulders of the people, but already the Russian people. yes
  5. isofat Online isofat
    isofat (isofat) 22 February 2021 15: 25
    0
    PS The pipe is being prepared for sale.
  6. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 22 February 2021 16: 12
    +3
    And all would be fine, but President Zelensky took this step clearly for political reasons, to settle scores with his "pro-Russian" opponent.

    Does Zelensky have any thoughts? And how long? smile Initially, this approach is erroneous; the situation must be looked at more broadly. This is not his game, Zelensky does what they say.

    We are talking about the Samara - Western Direction trunk pipeline, through which diesel fuel is supplied to the European Union. The oil product pipeline goes to the territory of Belarus, from where one of its lines leads to Latvia, and the second - through Ukraine to neighboring Hungary.

    As far as I understand, there is one spicy detail, the oil pipeline does not just pass through the territory of Belarus, it enters the refinery on the way. It is necessary to clarify, but in my opinion oil turns into diesel there.
    Tellingly, in sync with the same "branch" that leads to Latvia, the "guardsmen" of the lord of the chips are showing increased interest.
    What an interesting "coincidence" our irreconcilable "enemy" Zelensky and the only and most reliable ally in the galaxy, the idol of millions of Lukashenko, are doing the same thing, and the actions are coordinated. Need to explain by whom?
    I guess this is a broader plan. Nezalezhnye princelings seize the pipe, then the vent is closed and it is filled with oil from another direction (Latvia).
    Today there should be a meeting between Putin and Lukashenko, let's see what the "loyal ally" will sing about. What will be decided. From here we will observe the development of the situevina.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 22 February 2021 23: 27
      +2
      This is not an oil pipeline. Finished petroleum products flow there. He cannot change the purpose of the pipe, this is a disruption of export deliveries, he is unlikely to undertake this.
      Plus one more thing. This product pipeline contains diesel fuel worth 2 billion euros, which has already been purchased by recipients. In the conditions of stopping the pumping and the beginning of a mess, this diesel fuel will be plundered at the expense of times. The abilities of our non-brothers are beyond doubt.
      If the transit conditions change, the Russian Federation will be forced to stop pumping.
      In general, the situation is not good. Now I'm not ready to say where the transfer of ownership of the product takes place, it will depend on who will be in the span. If Western partners are the victims, Zelensky will have VERY serious problems. If we are, then we will have problems.
      In general, Zelenskiyo is slipping into complete inadequacy.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 23 February 2021 00: 52
        +1
        This is not an oil pipeline. Finished petroleum products flow there. He cannot change the purpose of the pipe, this is a disruption of export deliveries, he is unlikely to undertake this.

        Perhaps I did not clearly express the idea. hi Zelensky is not going to change the purpose of the pipe, it will also remain an oil product pipeline. I meant Lukashenka. Product pipeline of UE "West-Transnefteprodukt"
        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4683578

        In general, in my opinion, oil is supplied through the Kuibyshev - Unecha-Mozyr-1 oil pipeline, then processed at the Mozyr refinery and further along two directions Ukrainian (Novograd-Volynsky, Dragobych, then Hungary) and to Lithuania, then Europe.


        After the nationalization of the pipe, Lukashenka himself determines its purpose and it can already deliver oil through Lithuania, processing in Mozyr and diesel fuel to Ukraine and Hungary. Diesel fuel will still flow along the Ukrainian part of the pipe, but from a different feedstock. Russia is removed from the scheme. Lukashenka is once again turning towards us "backward." Naturally Zelensky and Lukashenko must have a guarantee of oil supplies from the Lithuanian direction. There are not so many countries that can give it, I believe the coordinator of these "body movements" of the United States. They have a huge impact on Lithuania, Ukraine and, apparently, not Belarus, as well as the ability to organize alternative supplies to Russia (although possibly more expensive). The interest in changing the scheme of Hungary and other consumers is doubtful, Europe may, as a result, get a rise in the price of oil products and a dubious ephemeral energy independence from the "totalitarian Mordor", that is, us.
        Whether there is a product pipeline across the border (Unecha-Mozyr) through which ready diesel fuel is supplied from Russia to the territory of Belarus, I do not know. I did not find any references (probably I was looking badly). Even if there is one, in the end we will still get the displacement of Russian oil products. Ukraine will refuse to argue with hybrid aggression, the US and Brussels will put pressure on the Europeans. They do not mind the Hungarians and the Slovaks. Naturally, all this is within the signed contracts and the possibility of changing their conditions or termination.
        Something like this. If anything is wrong, poke your noses do not hesitate laughing I will be grateful for the information. It is difficult for a non-specialist to understand all the subtleties of the process hi
        1. FrankyStein Offline FrankyStein
          FrankyStein (FrankyStein) 23 February 2021 11: 08
          +1
          For such a "cunning" plan, you will have to redo the pipe, infrastructure, storage facilities, if any. This requires money, which of these economic "tigers" has it? In this case, the volumes will fall anyway, and there will be no talk of any stable pumping, and therefore free transit money. And in general, as practice shows, all the horses there will hang themselves by the Russian pipe.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 23 February 2021 13: 28
            +1
            For such a "cunning" plan, you will have to redo the pipe, infrastructure, storages, if any.

            Why remodel it? It is a pipe and in Belarus, what is the difference? And how does the plant cope now without storage?

            This requires money, which of these economic "tigers" has it? In this case, the volumes will fall anyway, and there will be no talk of any stable pumping, and therefore free transit money.

            What do you need a lot? The pipe is already there, all that is required is to redirect the flow in the opposite direction. Brussels will allocate money. The United States will persistently ask, justify Navalny's moral suffering and the struggle for energy independence. Volumes may fall, but not a fact. Who cares? When necessary, on the other side, money is not considered (with strangers).

            And in general, as practice shows, all the horses there will hang themselves by the Russian pipe.

            This is in Ukraine, I'm more about Lukashenka, the main thing for him is to remain a separate principality, he is ready to lose money.
            But this is still just a version, an attempt to explain the synchronicity of events in Belarus and Ukraine. We are waiting for the results of yesterday's meeting, nothing concrete has yet been announced.
        2. paster40 Offline paster40
          paster40 (paster40) 23 February 2021 12: 35
          +1
          a lot is written, but stupid .. the pipeline cannot work in the opposite direction ..
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 23 February 2021 13: 30
            0
            a lot is written, but stupid .. the pipeline cannot work in the opposite direction ..

            Why? Wrong angle? Is it flowing towards the sea by gravity? The turn of the gas pipeline in Ukraine was quite considered, and the reverse was physical. How is the oil pipeline fundamentally different?
        3. UAZ 452 Offline UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 (UAZ 452) 23 February 2021 12: 55
          +1
          Only not Lithuania, but Latvia, judging by the map.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 23 February 2021 13: 35
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            Only not Lithuania, but Latvia, judging by the map.

            Thanks for clarifying hi I didn't enlarge the picture, I was mistaken yes However, the difference is not great laughing They are now there in the same person and speak as a carbon copy, except for the name there is no particular difference.
        4. lonesome Offline lonesome
          lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 23 February 2021 15: 09
          0
          No guarantee of supply is needed. Buy oil on the commodity and raw materials exchange, even the St. Petersburg, the Dutch, or any other, and drag it by tankers, respectively, from St. Petersburg (Primorsk, Ust-Luga) or Rotterdam or any other hub. This is the point of the whole undertaking - demonopolization of the market. Oil is one of the few homogeneous goods; there is a so-called "perfect competition" on its market - a paradise for the buyer compared to interaction with a murky monopolist who will then be brought into politics, then he will mix chlorides into oil and pretend to be rags, the most inopportune moment will start repairs on the pipe, obviously with the aim of making money on the buyer. Yes, logistics will be much more expensive, but everything has a price. It is also important that the refinery is tailored for a specific grade of oil, it may also have to be rebuilt, or the right grade should be purchased, but avoiding political risks is much more important for business.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 23 February 2021 15: 50
            +1
            No guarantee of supply is needed. Buy oil on the commodity and raw materials exchange, even the St. Petersburg, the Dutch, or any other, and drag it by tankers, respectively, from St. Petersburg (Primorsk, Ust-Luga) or Rotterdam or any other hub. This is the point of the whole undertaking - demonopolization of the market

            Is this Ternopil agro-humor like that? Did you understand what you wrote? sad Pick a pipe (means of transporting goods) is a classic market mechanism laughing If you want to compete, build your own. If the pipe is used by others after the change of owner and the oil goes in the opposite direction, what kind of competition is it? It is customary to call such things raiding and unfair competition.

            Oil is one of the few homogeneous goods; there is a so-called "perfect competition" on its market - a paradise for the buyer compared to interaction with a murky monopolist who will then be brought into politics, then he will mix chlorides into oil and pretend to be rags, the most inopportune moment will start repairs on the pipe, obviously with the aim of making money on the buyer.

            Who prevents you from walking through the market of "perfect competition" and buying the purest oil with molecules of freedom instead of totalitarian chlorine compounds?
            Rogues with hands growing from the hip joints cannot build themselves and strive to steal someone else's? There is another way, invest and build your own.

            Yes, logistics will be much more expensive, but everything has a price.

            Of course it does. And the common people pay for it, and the intermediaries make money, roughly as on "reverse" gas.

            It is also important there that the refinery is tailored for a specific grade of oil, it may also have to be rebuilt, or it will be necessary to purchase exactly the desired grade,

            Exactly yes Not every oil will work. Experiments with mixing different varieties to create a "cocktail" suitable for a particular plant have already been carried out.

            but for business, avoiding political risks is much more important.

            For business, cheaper products are important; this is the basis of competition. You probably mean a "specific" business like "Rotterdam +"
            1. lonesome Offline lonesome
              lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 23 February 2021 16: 26
              +3
              Pick up a pipe (means of transporting goods) is a classic market mechanism laughing Want to compete build your own. If the pipe is used by others after the change of owner and the oil goes in the opposite direction, what kind of competition is it? It is customary to call such things raiding and unfair competition.

              Where I wrote about "take the pipe". Every country has a property right that is somehow protected. There is also the concept of nationalization. And in Russia the same concept exists. As a rule, a ransom is provided there. The destruction of property rights entails the destruction of the state. I do not think that dad or Zelensky, and even more so Latvia will go for it. Everything will be according to the law. Well, or the Hague Arbitration is ready to consider the claim.

              There is another way, invest and build your own.

              There are different ways. If dad decides to abandon Russian oil through the pipe, then why do we need the pipe itself? The zealous owner will not let her disappear. At the same time, having preserved the pipe, he can in the future buy oil from the monopolist through it. That is, the monopolist suddenly finds himself in the free market. Yes, there are solid pluses, not a single minus. And if the owner agrees to reverse the pipe himself, then it is possible to do without nationalization.

              Of course it does. And the common people pay for it, and the intermediaries make money, roughly as on "reverse" gas.

              The common people - certainly. But the person who makes the decision after muddy negotiations with the monopolist and an even more muddy contract may end up in jail. Remember Tymoshenko? And during the negotiations, they probably broke her hands - if you don't sign the contract, your Ukraine will freeze. And it is not a fact that the stock will end up being more expensive, even taking into account the logistics. But what is transparent and understandable is definitely a fact.

              You probably mean a "specific" business like "Rotterdam +"

              Rotterdam + just took the market price from the exchange and expensive logistics as a basis, because the local monopolist is not transparent from the word at all and did not fit into any system. That is, there was a guarantee that if the monopolist completely lost the coast, then it would be possible to buy coal on the exchange. That, in turn, set the bar for the monopolist.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 23 February 2021 17: 01
                +2
                Where I wrote about "take the pipe". Every country has a property right that is somehow protected.

                How is that? Like in Ukraine?

                There is also the concept of nationalization. And in Russia the same concept exists. As a rule, a ransom is provided there.

                Zelensky offers money for a pipe? belay Apparently this is an exception to the rule. Is it different?

                The destruction of property rights entails the destruction of the state.

                Well, they have nothing to lose, what is left of statehood there? One appearance.

                Zelensky, and even more so Latvia, will go for it. Everything will be according to the law. Well, or the Hague Arbitration is ready to consider the claim.

                It looks like Zelensky is already doing it. What does Latvia have to do with it? request We will soon see what the Hague arbitration is, I think the "local" justice is not much different from the Stockholm one.

                There are different ways. If dad decides to abandon Russian oil through the pipe, then why do we need the pipe itself? The zealous owner will not let her disappear.

                The zealous owner of Transneft. Don't need Russian oil? The flag is in hand, the company simply shakes it further to Europe. The company works, pays taxes, everyone is happy. But it looks like everyone except Lukashenka considers himself a more zealous owner laughing

                At the same time, having preserved the pipe, he can in the future buy oil from the monopolist through it.

                He selects the pipe, and then can pump the same products through it? Interesting approach laughing

                That is, the monopolist suddenly finds himself in the free market.

                The "monopolist" appears on the street.

                Yes, there are solid pluses, not a single minus. And if the owner agrees to reverse the pipe himself, then it is possible to do without nationalization.

                What would you like in life were accompanied by such advantages. sad People built a pipe to pump their products, and if he agrees to "carry" someone else's, then his "transport" can not be taken away? Do you really believe that? Who should be considered the interlocutor to say such nonsense with a serious face? Perhaps I will not stand on ceremony with you either. Sorry, but in my opinion you're just lying.

                The common people - certainly. But the person who makes the decision after muddy negotiations with the monopolist and an even more muddy contract may end up in jail. Remember Tymoshenko? And during the negotiations, they probably broke her hands - if you don't sign the contract, your Ukraine will freeze. And it is not a fact that the stock will end up being more expensive, even taking into account the logistics. But what is transparent and understandable is definitely a fact.

                What exchange are you talking about? Which monopolist? Who else are you going to buy oil from on the Russian side? He wants an alternative, let him build his own pipe or drag canisters from even the USA.

                Rotterdam + just took the market price from the exchange and expensive logistics as a basis, because the local monopolist is not transparent from the word at all and did not fit into any system. That is, there was a guarantee that if the monopolist completely lost the coast, then it would be possible to buy coal on the exchange. That, in turn, set the bar for the monopolist.

                What are you carrying? Do you know that you purchased coal under this scheme? Who is the coal monopoly? What kind of transparency are you talking about? That coal, that "reverse" gas are more expensive, the "premium" settles with the intermediaries. These are corrupt schemes. Please don't write such nonsense any more, you won't find grateful listeners here, they don't carry pots here.
                1. lonesome Offline lonesome
                  lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 23 February 2021 18: 21
                  -2
                  How is that? Like in Ukraine?

                  Or as, for example, in Russia. Do you know when they will return 50 billion for Yukos?

                  Zelensky offers money for a pipe?

                  Have you seen the conditions for nationalization? Me not?

                  "local" justice

                  spelled out in the energy charter and the absolute majority of international treaties. What do you suggest? Basmannoye? Already in domestic Russian major transactions, you can see a judicial reference to "local justice", as you say.

                  He selects the pipe, and then can pump the same products through it?

                  His pipe, what he wants, then pumps. What surprises you? Russia does not want to sell - it will pump from tankers in the port of Ventspils. Buyer's market. This is the goal.

                  The "monopolist" appears on the street.

                  This is their fate. The one who pays the money orders the music. And nobody will let you twist yourself on a pipe.

                  What would you like to have in life such advantages. sad People built a pipe to pump their products, and if he agrees to "carry" someone else's, then the "transport" can not be taken away from him?

                  And I strive for the same advantages. I have already broken almost all contracts with Rostelecom and six other operators have built their optics for me. And the Rostelecom cable just rots. Soon I will cut it off at the entrance to the building and throw it away so that it does not take up space. It is both easier and safer and cheaper for me to hold open transparent tenders for communication services than to run after Rostelecom with its quirks.
                  Are we discussing Zelensky's actions or who? He doesn't give a damn about who built the pipe there and what he was counting on. And in general, it is an aggressor country in its coordinate system. This means unmeasured risks. Over there, Dzafdet below suggests cutting off the pipe. Russia every day on the first channel positions itself as an enemy, and a pipe as a weapon. What do you think he should do in such a situation, strategically?

                  What exchange are you talking about? Which monopolist? Who else are you going to buy oil from on the Russian side? He wants an alternative, let him build his own pipe or drag canisters from even the USA.

                  Any exchange. You can buy at St. Petersburg. It is unprofitable from the USA, most likely - supertankers do not pass through the Danish straits, that is, they will not go directly to Ventspils. Logistically, Peter or Rotterdam begs. But I would not sweep aside Algeria either.

                  What are you carrying? Do you know that you purchased coal under this scheme? Who is the coal monopoly? What kind of transparency are you talking about? That coal, that "reverse" gas are more expensive, the "premium" settles with the intermediaries. These are corruption schemes.

                  Do you know what "fair value" is in economics? How is it defined, how are business plans drawn up? What are the risks? Taking the market price of some suppliers as a basis for planning, and then adjusting the prices by hand - this is corruption. The market determines the price, not the suppliers. Already on similar goods - for sure.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 23 February 2021 19: 33
                    +1
                    Or as, for example, in Russia. Do you know when they will return 50 billion for Yukos?

                    Never. I had to pay taxes.

                    Have you seen the conditions for nationalization? Me not?

                    Have you seen the offer of compensation?

                    spelled out in the energy charter and the absolute majority of international treaties. What do you suggest? Basmannoye?

                    You signed the charter and agreements, and you are doing it. Russia is not a colony. For your Basmannoe just right yes , with all the revolutionary ruthlessness. laughing What difference does it make to you who "punishes"?

                    Already in the internal Russian major transactions, you can see a judicial reference to "local justice", as you say.

                    For example?

                    And I strive for the same advantages. I have already broken almost all contracts with Rostelecom and six other operators have built their optics for me. And the Rostelecom cable just rots. Soon I will cut it off at the entrance to the building and throw it away so that it does not take up space. It is both easier and safer and cheaper for me to hold open transparent tenders for communication services than to run after Rostelecom with its quirks.

                    What an interesting approach. Why was it just that Rostelecom's cable was not privatized and the signal from other operators was not allowed through it? sad

                    Are we discussing Zelensky's actions or who? He doesn't give a damn about who built the pipe there and what he was counting on. And in general, it is an aggressor country in its coordinate system.

                    And we don't care who Zelensky thinks he is and his coordinate system. "The aggressor country" is one of the three largest trading partners, supplies electricity in cold weather, oil products, gas, buckwheat and lard. His schizophrenia doesn't bother us.

                    This means unmeasured risks. Over there, Dzafdet below suggests cutting off the pipe. Russia every day on the first channel positions itself as an enemy, and a pipe as a weapon.

                    With all due respect, does Dzafdet work at Gazprom or the Foreign Ministry? Who positions himself whom and how on the first channel is not your business. We have freedom of speech, the authorities are not afraid of this and TV channels are not closed.

                    What do you think he should do in such a situation, strategically?

                    Do not make me laugh laughing Clown thinking about strategy is strong good How do I know what to do with a rating below the baseboard? Let him retire.

                    Any exchange. You can buy at St. Petersburg. It is unprofitable from the USA, most likely - supertankers do not pass through the Danish straits, that is, they will not go directly to Ventspils. Logistically, Peter or Rotterdam begs. But I would not sweep aside Algeria either.

                    Who's in the way? Buy on the exchange. https://www.moex.com/
                    Bought, paid, use, take wherever you want. What does the pipe have to do with it? Should Transneft bring you from Algeria too?

                    Do you know what "fair value" is in economics? How is it defined, how are business plans drawn up? What are the risks? To take the market price of some suppliers as the basis for planning, and then to regulate the prices by hand - this is corruption. The market determines the price, not the suppliers. Already on similar goods - for sure.

                    Tell us about the fair price and market conditions for gas consumers in Ukraine, but be careful, they can spoil the skin with a pitchfork. How fair can you explain the price in the payment for heating? Do not want long-term contracts, take wherever you want. As a result - Ukraine for the population of 7 hryvnia or 0,25 dollars per cubic meter. - We have 3,5 rubles per cubic meter. The difference is more than 5 times. This is the difference in price for similar goods. Gas was sold to Ukraine at a higher price than domestic Russian prices, but not 5 times. The difference settles with the middlemen. This is corruption.
                    1. lonesome Offline lonesome
                      lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 23 February 2021 20: 41
                      -2
                      Never. I had to pay taxes.

                      You can hope. But everything is already lost there, in general. Somewhere in a year, as I see it, there will be arrests of Russian property.

                      You signed the charter and agreements, and you are doing it. Russia is not a colony. Basmannoye is just right for yours, with all its revolutionary ruthlessness. laughing What difference does it make to you who "punishes"?

                      It was not me who signed, Russia signed, and in accordance with Art. 15 p 4 of the Constitution, they are an integral part of the legal system of Russia. Or do you think that Russia is incompetent and its treaties have no effect at all? Do you really think the whole world is idiots?

                      For example?

                      Have you seen Berezovsky with Abramovich in the High Court of London? So this has long been a common practice. And Russian courts make decisions of international arbitration courts and confirm them on the territory of Russia.

                      What an interesting approach. Why was it just that Rostelecom's cable was not privatized and the signal from other operators was not allowed through it?

                      It is easier and cheaper for operators to lay their own.

                      And we don't care who Zelensky thinks he is and his coordinate system. "The aggressor country" is one of the three largest trading partners, supplies electricity in cold weather, oil products, gas, buckwheat and lard. His schizophrenia doesn't bother us.

                      And he doesn't care that you don't care. :-). If this is a commercial agreement on market terms - you are welcome. Mutually beneficial cooperation is good for everyone. If politics starts to mix with business, go to fig. Unified pipeline, energy and railway systems are the Soviet legacy. There was no division into parts in their project. It is more profitable to exploit them entirely.

                      With all due respect, does Dzafdet work at Gazprom or the Foreign Ministry? Who positions himself whom and how on the first channel is not your business. We have freedom of speech, the authorities are not afraid of this and TV channels are not closed.

                      Dzafdet votes for the deputies. And for the president. And forms a public demand for aggression. To which politicians are forced to listen in one way or another. He, of course, is not himself like that, Soloviev has brainwashed him, but there is a request, and he will have to be eaten.

                      Who's in the way? Buy on the exchange. https://www.moex.com/
                      Bought, paid, use, take wherever you want. What does the pipe have to do with it? Should Transneft bring you from Algeria too?

                      With the collapse of the Union, everything that turned out to be on the territory of the independent states became their property. Father has no sea. He decided to mate with the Latvians and use the former Transneft pipe, extending it to Ventspils. And so that Russia does not interfere with the transport of diesel fuel produced from Algerian oil, Zelensky nationalized the pipe. Although, it should have become Ukrainian in the 91st year.

                      Tell us about the fair price and market conditions for gas consumers in Ukraine, but be careful, they can spoil the skin with a pitchfork. How fair can you explain the price in the payment for heating?

                      There is no justice in the monopoly market of a resource-supplying organization and cannot be. And the price for heating came to me insane in the payment. (in my opinion). The same Zelensky is to blame? No market, no justice. There is nothing to rely on.
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 23 February 2021 21: 19
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                        You can hope. But everything is already lost there, in general. Somewhere in a year, as I see it, there will be arrests of Russian property.

                        Stop lying. This is not a farm near Ternopil, bad nema request
                        Ears from a dead donkey to you and Hodor. Why wait until everything is lost? winked

                        It was not me who signed, Russia signed, and in accordance with Art. 15 p 4 of the Constitution, they are an integral part of the legal system of Russia. Or do you think that Russia is incompetent and its treaties have no effect at all? Do you really think the whole world is idiots?

                        Why the whole world? belay Only you. wink And still a liar winked

                        Russia in 2009 withdrew from the provisional application of the treaty, and in 2018 withdrew its signature under the ECT.

                        https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2020/07/29/835531-rossii-marshalla

                        Have you seen Berezovsky with Abramovich in the High Court of London? So this has long been a common practice. And Russian courts make decisions of international arbitration courts and confirm them on the territory of Russia.

                        Both had their property registered abroad, they themselves chose the court. This has nothing to do with the former property of Yukos, and Russia is not going to sue in London. so see the first paragraph (from the donkey's ears).

                        It is easier and cheaper for operators to lay their own.

                        Come on laughing Admit that it has become commonplace to seize other people's property smile Here and here, let them pull their pipe. We all got used to it for free.

                        And he doesn't give a damn that you don't give a damn

                        And we don't care what he doesn't care about. What's next? Do you think if you repeat this three hundred times, something will change?

                        If it is a commercial agreement on market terms

                        What kind of contract are we talking about? There is no agreement, we have a raider seizure, property is taken away from people.

                        Mutually beneficial cooperation is good for everyone.

                        What are the benefits for pipeline owners? they now should not worry about the property they have taken away? Can you sleep well?

                        If politics starts to mix with business, go to fig.

                        Exactly .. go. The state interferes in the activities of an economic entity that does not violate applicable law.

                        Unified pipeline, energy and railway systems are a Soviet legacy. There was no division into parts in their project. It is more profitable to exploit them entirely.

                        What are you talking about? Do you propose to transfer the pipe to Transneft?

                        Dzafdet votes for the deputies. And for the president. And forms a public demand for aggression. To which politicians are forced to listen in one way or another. He, of course, is not himself like that, Soloviev has brainwashed him, but there is a request, and he will have to be eaten.

                        Javdet is not an official or official representative of the state. He just expresses his personal opinion. It is regrettable that such elementary things have to be explained. You are extremely ignorant in jurisprudence, the fact that you copy foreign words about contracts does not at all hide this gap in education. Surely you were brainwashed by darned Gordon lol

                        With the collapse of the Union, everything that turned out to be on the territory of the independent states became their property. Father has no sea. He decided to mate with the Latvians and use the former Transneft pipe, extending it to Ventspils. And so that Russia does not interfere with the transport of diesel fuel produced from Algerian oil, Zelensky nationalized the pipe. Although, it should have become Ukrainian in the 91st year.

                        With the collapse of the USSR, not everything became state property and this particular property has legal owners. However, to whom am I explaining ... sad

                        There is no justice in the monopoly market of a resource-supplying organization and cannot be. ...

                        Market and fairness are quite difficult to reconcile. By taking the pipe and redirecting the flow in the opposite direction, we got another monopolist. This has nothing to do with the wound.

                        And the price for heating came to me insane in the payment. (in my opinion). The same Zelensky is to blame? No market, no justice. There is nothing to rely on

                        Are you lying again or don't you understand? As regards gas, you have just the market, well, at least in your understanding. What other gas market do you want? Now you will also have expensive diesel fuel, this is an automatic increase in prices for almost everything. Until you switch to horse-drawn transport laughing Good luck dancing on the market rake. Life teaches you nothingrequest Good night hi
                      2. lonesome Offline lonesome
                        lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 23 February 2021 22: 38
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                        Ears from a dead donkey to you and Hodor. Why wait until everything is lost?

                        Cut off.

                        Russia in 2009 withdrew from the provisional application of the treaty, and in 2018 withdrew its signature under the ECT.

                        It didn't work in court. The court found that the case was within his jurisdiction.

                        Both had their property registered abroad, they themselves chose the court.

                        The property is not important here, but what you yourself have chosen is yes. I wrote about the judicial reference (it is also an arbitration agreement). This is when the agreement says something like "All disputes under this agreement are resolved in the permanent arbitration chamber in The Hague." (Well, it's more difficult there, of course). So Russia recognizes such arbitration, and it is widely used. Here, try to master:
                        https://arbitration-rspp.ru/documents/practice/practice-review-international/

                        Well, by the way, the practice of registering companies in offshores is also related to jurisdiction. The Cyprus Court, for example, has a very good reputation, and it works in the British (case-law) system of law.

                        Admit that it has become commonplace to seize other people's property

                        Yes nafig I need it. These cables don't cost me anything anyway.

                        What kind of contract are we talking about?

                        On contracts for power flows, supplies of buckwheat, bacon and birch brunks.

                        And we don't care what he doesn't care about. What's next? Do you think if you repeat this three hundred times, something will change?

                        You can repeat it three hundred thousand times. And he has already nationalized the pipe.

                        we have a raider seizure, property is taken away from people.

                        Go to court.

                        What are you talking about? Do you propose to transfer the pipe to Transneft?

                        I propose not to politicize the joint exploitation of the legacy infrastructure and not to use it as a weapon. It is much more profitable.
                        Since 2012, the cost of gas for Ukraine has exceeded $ 400, and in 2014 it reached $ 485 per thousand cubic meters. At the same time, Germany and Italy bought gas several times cheaper. Russia has made itself an enemy. What justice is she counting on now?
                        A quarter of a dollar per cubic meter, for the population you say? How if Russia was selling wholesale at 0.49?
                        Figures from here:
                        https://ru.slovoidilo.ua/2016/02/12/infografika/jekonomika/kak-menyalas-cena-rossijskogo-gaza-dlya-ukrainy-na-protyazhenii-24-let

                        Javdet is not an official or official representative of the state. He just expresses his personal opinion. It is regrettable that such elementary things have to be explained. You are extremely ignorant in jurisprudence, the fact that you copy foreign words about contracts does not at all hide this gap in education.

                        I did not say that I am a lawyer. But I didn’t see your legal skills. According to the constitution, Russia is a democratic state. Rhetoric matters for politicians.

                        With the collapse of the USSR, not everything became state property and this particular property has legal owners.

                        As far as I remember, the only exception was the Black Sea Fleet. If that treaty contains this pipe, give a link.

                        By taking the pipe and redirecting the flow in the opposite direction, we got another monopolist. This has nothing to do with the wound.

                        Belarus will gain access to the sea and, accordingly, to a free market. Russia can maintain the status quo if it offers competitive conditions. For Ukraine and Hungary, the Mozyr Oil Refinery will remain a monopoly, but Ukraine has access to the sea, which means to markets. This keeps the dad in good shape.

                        Are you lying again or don't you understand? As for gas, you have just the market, well, at least in your understanding. What other gas market do you want? Now you will also have expensive diesel fuel, this is an automatic increase in prices for almost everything.

                        Who do we have? In St. Petersburg, I have an electric stove, and there is no gas at all. I don’t use the same thing. I do not think that because of this pipe it will rise in price.
                      3. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 24 February 2021 04: 56
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                        It didn't work in court. The court found that the case was within his jurisdiction.

                        What is jurisdictional? The court considers that Russia must comply with the agreement (Charter) of which it is not a party?

                        The property is not here it's important, what they themselves chose is yes... I wrote about the judicial reference (it is also an arbitration agreement). This is when the agreement says something like "All disputes under this agreement are resolved in the permanent arbitration chamber in The Hague." (Well, it's more difficult there, of course). So Russia recognizes such arbitration, and it is widely used. Here, try to master:

                        With whom has Russia signed an agreement that provides for consideration in the Arbitration Court of The Hague? With Hodor? What the Hague court decided on his problem, Russia does not recognize the decision. While they are trying to resolve the issue within the framework of the right field. The case has long been pending before the Supreme Court of the Netherlands. As far as I know the latest court decision, Yukos shareholders can seek the execution of the 2014 arbitration award and compensation.
                        https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/inziendocument?id=ECLI:NL:HR:2020:1952

                        Which does not at all mean a final decision on the case. In general, the court in The Hague can decide anything with Hodor. Russia does not recognize his decision. While lawyers receive their fees, the office writes, the millstones of Dutch justice are slowly turning. The seizure of property will begin, so there is no less foreign property in Russia. Try to master it.

                        According to the constitution, Russia is a democratic state. Rhetoric matters for politicians.

                        Yes, Russia is a democratic state. What is the significance of the rhetoric of the anonymous Djavdet and his commentary on this site for politicians, I find it difficult to say. Are you exaggerating its importance? Russia is an aggressive state because ... Dzhavdet on the site writes comments that do not suit you ... Are you definitely adequate? belay

                        As far as I remember, the only exception was the Black Sea Fleet. If that treaty contains this pipe, give a link.

                        Link to what? I wrote somewhere that the property belongs to Russia? It has had owners for a long time and this is not a state, but a company.

                        Belarus will gain access to the sea and, accordingly, to a free market.

                        What do you mean get? She has it. Perhaps so far it does, but it has nothing to do with this issue). Belarus supplies oil products to the port through this pipeline. If he wants to supply in the opposite direction, let him build another.

                        Russia can maintain the status quo if it offers competitive conditions.

                        They are already competitive, otherwise Belarus would have switched to other sources of raw materials supply long ago. Lukashenko tried, eat a cactus, injected and tried again. Venezuela, Azerbaijan, USA, from where I did not take. He failed to defeat geography and the laws of physics. If he wants to get the flag in his hands from other sources, but he will not be able to get cheaper.

                        For Ukraine and Hungary, the Mozyr Oil Refinery will remain a monopoly, but Ukraine has access to the sea, which means to markets. This keeps the dad in good shape.

                        Monopoly? Who forced Ukrainian horses to destroy their refineries? Have you "de-communized" your industry and groan about monopoly? What is there with monopoly in Hungary and the EU in general, I do not care, as well as Lukashenka's tone. Ukraine, in my opinion, also tried to eat the cactus of alternative supplies by sea. The result is known laughing There is no politics here, it is economics. They are trying to change IT precisely for political reasons.

                        Who do we have? In St. Petersburg, I have an electric stove, and there is no gas at all.

                        Forgive me, I didn't understand, you plunged so deeply into the interests of Ukraine and Belarus. ABOUT!!! So in St. Petersburg there is a problem with utility bills?

                        And the price for heating came to me insane in the payment. (in my opinion).

                        If it's not a secret, what is the amount? Tell us how a totalitarian regime squeezes the last juices out of the population laughing How unbearable the conditions of local monopolists are, let's compare with the market conditions of our neighbors.

                        I don’t use the same thing. I do not think that because of this pipe it will rise in price.

                        You have it naturally. What does St. Petersburg have to do with it? Will rise in price in Ukraine, we talked about it. Diesel fuel is part of the cost of logistics. Everything that is transported will become more expensive.
                      4. lonesome Offline lonesome
                        lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 24 February 2021 11: 30
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                        With whom has Russia signed an agreement that provides for consideration in the Arbitration Court of The Hague? With Hodor? What the Hague court decided on his problem, Russia does not recognize the decision. While they are trying to resolve the issue within the framework of the right field. The case has long been pending before the Supreme Court of the Netherlands. As far as I know the latest court decision, Yukos shareholders can seek the execution of the 2014 arbitration award and compensation.
                        https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/inziendocument?id=ECLI:NL:HR:2020:1952

                        Which does not at all mean a final decision on the case.

                        It is good that you began to read the primary sources. You will find the same charter. She's not with Hodor. Russia wanted investment and guaranteed investors a fair trial. Investors came (Hodor attracted). Russia tried to withdraw from the Charter and throw away investors. This is very brief. If you want details - understand the court decision.
                        Or do you think that only those who privatized the Soviet pipe have the right to protect their property rights?
                        The final decision was made by the Arbitration Court. The Supreme Court of the Netherlands could change it, but found no reason and upheld it. There is one more appeal, but it is completely technical - they are just dragging out time. So as not before the elections ...

                        Yes, Russia is a democratic state. What is the significance of the rhetoric of the anonymous Djavdet and his commentary on this site for politicians, I find it difficult to say.

                        Don't shy away. Javdet was just an example. Do not go to any patriotic resource. There are millions of such brainwashed Javdets. This affects the investment climate.

                        So in St. Petersburg there is a problem with utility bills?

                        https://www.fontanka.ru/2021/02/20/69776996/
                        All over the country it is. And it's not that the price is high or low. The problem is that there is no frame of reference. No one can say what the price is fair. Look for lessons on firm theory, types of competition, and pricing principles. On YouTube there is. And try to understand what monopoly pricing and its state regulation are.
                        And on a national scale, and even with politics, this is not life, but eternal conflicts.
                      5. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 24 February 2021 12: 40
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                        It is good that you began to read the primary sources. You will find the same charter.

                        I gave you such an opportunity too. Read to your health. yes Why do I need a charter? Let Europeans and Ukrainians read it.

                        She's not with Hodor. Russia wanted investment and guaranteed investors a normal court hearing. Investors came (Hodor attracted).

                        Did the investors know that taxes have to be paid? Hodor attracted, let him deal with them himself.

                        Russia tried to withdraw from the Charter and throw away investors. This is very brief. If you want details - understand the court decision.

                        Russia was not even a member of the Charter. It was not ratified. I already wrote to you, re-read, there is a link. They tried to perform it for some time, did not like it, the signature was officially revoked. so you can understand the details of the court yourself. Let the investors go ... to Hodor.

                        Or do you think that only those who privatized the Soviet pipe have the right to protect their property rights?

                        Why? belay I believe that privatizers must also pay taxes, non-payment is a criminal offense.

                        The final decision was made by the Arbitration Court. The Supreme Court of the Netherlands could change it, but found no reason and upheld it. There is one more appeal, but it is completely technical - they are just dragging out time. So as not before the elections ...

                        You have a rich imagination laughing

                        Don't shy away. Javdet was just an example. Do not go to any patriotic resource. There are millions of such brainwashed Javdets. This affects the investment climate.

                        Don't be stupid. As much as you can repeat, Javdet and all patriotic sites have nothing to do with the state. There are no less liberoid sites with individuals with one spinal brain and millions of them. We have a free country, freedom of speech. TV channels are not closed, people are not expelled from social networks along with the current presidents.

                        Yes, this is a lot for heating, if of course all this is true.
                        Using your link I found the maximum amount of 6, the rest of the "victims" from 078 to 1, an increase of about 500%, although the size of the premises and what this amount is not specified. Maybe it's just a recalculation or an error in accrual. In addition to this garbage edition, I did not find any mention of such an outrage. For example, once a year, the payment includes the amount for the maintenance of the common property of the house.
                        Judging by the fact that you answered a simple question about the amount with a reference to Fantanka, you have nothing to do with St. Petersburg.
                        On this link you can see the electricity tariffs
                        https://www.pes.spb.ru/for_customers/electricity_tariffs/electricity_tariffs_for_st_petersburg/
                        Follow this link for the rest of the tariffs.
                        http://tarifspb.ru/tariffs/

                        And this is how the situation with utility bills looks like in Ukraine. Here is the market dear to your heart laughing



                        All over the country it is.

                        Don't lie. All over the country ... Do I live on Mars? Will you tell me what my tariffs are?

                        And it's not that the price is high or low. The problem is that there is no frame of reference. No one can say what the price is fair.

                        What are you carrying? The price must be economically justified.

                        Look for lessons on firm theory, types of competition, and pricing principles. On YouTube there is. And try to understand what monopoly pricing and its state regulation are.

                        Do not make me laugh. What kind of competition do you want to provide heat to houses? An alternative boiler room?

                        And on a national scale, and even with politics, this is not life, but eternal conflicts.

                        You know, the confidence in me is growing that you are still from Ukraine. You shouldn't extrapolate your own realities on us.
                      6. lonesome Offline lonesome
                        lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 24 February 2021 14: 14
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                        I gave you such an opportunity too. Read to your health.

                        I've read this for a long time.

                        Why do I need a charter? Let Europeans and Ukrainians read it.

                        The position of the ostrich also has a right to exist.

                        Russia was not even a member of the Charter. It was not ratified. I already wrote to you, re-read, there is a link. They tried to perform it for some time, did not like it, the signature was officially revoked. so you can understand the details of the court yourself.

                        The court did not agree with this position.

                        Why? I believe that privatizers must also pay taxes, non-payment is a criminal offense.

                        To court.

                        Judging by the fact that you answered a simple question about the amount with a reference to Fantanka, you have nothing to do with St. Petersburg.

                        You can count as you like. My figure is not representative. Fontanka did a good job of researching this whole mess.

                        The price must be economically justified.

                        The monopolist will justify _any_ figure. And with placards and our people came out.
                        https://gazeta.spb.ru/478209-0/

                        You know, the confidence in me is growing that you are still from Ukraine.

                        You haven't mastered the theory? Well, then, not destiny ..
                      7. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 24 February 2021 14: 56
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                        The position of the ostrich also has a right to exist.

                        Of course yes Just be careful with the concrete, the beak can be damaged.

                        The court did not agree with this position.

                        I'm afraid this is a court problem. There is a procedure for signing, ratifying, withdrawing signatures and withdrawing from the agreement. It is rather strange to consider a country a party to the agreement if it is not located there. This speaks of a crisis in the European judicial system and we should stay away from these strange people.

                        You can count as you like. My figure is not representative. Fontanka did a good research of this whole mess.

                        Not bad? Don't be shy, it can be safely called disgusting. What's the investigation? They showed several payments, without explanation. Where is the other side's opinion? What does the administration say about this? This is somewhat reminiscent of the fantastic videos of the Basement. all tariffs on the links, study hi By the way, you stubbornly do not name your amount, how and how much you increased it.

                        The monopolist will justify _any_ figure.

                        Is the "market" better? There they will strip off 3 skins from you without any economic justification. You still haven't answered how you plan to fight monopoly? Build an alternative boiler room?

                        And with placards and our people came out.

                        Yes, I looked, 150 people. This is a local problem. In Ukraine, this is a massive phenomenon throughout the country.

                        Poltava region: the market is like that and there are no monopolists laughing



                        Want to add a few more cities?
                      8. lonesome Offline lonesome
                        lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 24 February 2021 16: 59
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                        There is a procedure for signing, ratifying, withdrawing signatures and withdrawing from the agreement.

                        As a rule, there is. Although not always. They are spelled out in the agreement itself. But nobody followed this procedure. They are trying to write off the fact that it did not come into force, and it was not necessary to leave according to all the rules. But again - this is not for me. What is the point of condemning after the Hague Arbitration Court? Who is interested in my solution? Well, let's say I agree with you that the charter was not valid, what will it change?

                        Not bad? Don't be shy, it can be safely called disgusting. What's the investigation? They showed several payments, without explanation. Where is the other side's opinion? What does the administration say about this?

                        Not an investigation, but an investigation. Analysis if you like. Everything is clear for Petersburgers. Frost suddenly hit in winter - energy gigacalories counted. February, by the way, is even more frosty, we look forward to it. Well, I don’t remember exactly my number, but I don’t want to lie. It fits into Fontanka's article - something in the region of two thousand kopecks. I think 1.2 gigacalories. Which (from the school physics course) corresponds to about 5 Gigajoules, or 1400 kWh of thermal energy.
                        Nearly a megawatt hour and a half, Karl.
                        Compared to Texas, very godly.
                        On the other side, who is PetersburgTeploEnergo? And why should they say something - he counted - go pay.
                        And who is the administration? Beglov? This one never says anything at all. Vaughn Poltavchenko blurted out something about rednecks - he was answered:
                        https://youtu.be/uI6397FdcBM
                        And when at the end of January the people married Navalny, Beglov was completely pushed aside, transferring power to the security forces. In general, what elections are, so is the governor.

                        This is somewhat reminiscent of the fantastic videos of the Basement. all tariffs by links, study

                        So, they are not for ostriches, but for those who are used to checking information. It is only Solovyov who gives out ready-made emotions, without any texture at all. And even more so, verifiable. Take any scientific article or book - there are continuous links to facts, experiments, and other articles.

                        Is the "market" better? There they will strip off 3 skins from you without any economic justification. You still haven't answered how you plan to fight monopoly?

                        In the district heating market - nothing. Just move into your house with your own boiler. But when the monopolist completely loses its banks, and there is no control over it, then only this remains. What Belarus and Ukraine have come to. And in an open market with perfect competition, you won't be able to tear three skins. Try to sell oil at $ 200 a barrel when it is on the stock exchange at $ 60. This is what I am trying to explain.
                      9. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 24 February 2021 17: 31
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                        As a rule, there is. Although not always. They are spelled out in the agreement itself. But no one followed this procedure. They are trying to write off the fact that it did not come into force, and it was not necessary to leave according to all the rules.

                        Russia has officially withdrawn its signature from the treaty.

                        What is the point of condemning after the Hague Arbitration Court? Who is interested in my solution? Well, let's say I agree with you that the charter was not valid, what will it change?

                        It will not change anything, the main thing is that it will not operate in Russia, otherwise it will be direct access of Europeans to resources on a common basis.

                        Not an investigation, but an investigation. Analysis if you like.

                        Good definition good It's very similar to taking tests. They collected bottles and boxes, but they didn't know what to do with them. I hope they won't try it.

                        Everything is clear for Petersburgers. Frost suddenly hit in winter - energy gigacalories counted. February, by the way, is even colder, we look forward to it. Well, I don’t remember exactly my number, but I don’t want to lie. Fontanka's article fits in - something in the region of two thousand kopecks.

                        So maybe it really is? In cold weather, more energy is needed for heating.

                        So, they are not for ostriches, but for those who are used to checking information. It is only Solovyov who gives out ready-made emotions, without any texture at all. And even more so, verifiable. Take any scientific article or book - there are continuous links to facts, experiments, other articles

                        Do not make me laugh laughing outright nonsense designed for burnt pimpled teenagers without a king in their heads. Comparing Sisyan's pearls with scientific articles is too much. Which links? We have documents, we have seen, we know, flickering of personnel. That's all. Cheap swill for the dumb-headed plebs.

                        And in an open market with perfect competition, you won't be able to tear three skins. Try to sell oil at $ 200 a barrel when it is on the stock exchange at $ 60. This is what I am trying to explain.

                        Isn't it so with gas in Ukraine? Tear those same three skins.
                      10. lonesome Offline lonesome
                        lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 24 February 2021 18: 13
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                        Russia has officially withdrawn its signature from the treaty.

                        When the investors have already entered ... I will borrow money from you, and then I will withdraw my signature from the receipt. Going?

                        It will not change anything, the main thing is that it will not operate in Russia, otherwise it will be direct access of Europeans to resources on a common basis.

                        What resources? Access to international courts is an element of the investment climate, nothing more. Will you lend to the bandits? And if they promise to return? Why don't you believe them? Does Russia want Ikea to build factories here, Hyundai to produce engines, and Airbus to produce chassis for its aircraft? Give them access to the kind of judgment they believe. It is very expensive to sue there, and the plaintiff pays for everything, but they are ready - these are courts with a very good reputation. If there were no politics in the Khodorkovsky case, he would not have sued a penny. He lost 80 percent anyway. Hooray patriots, however, shout that they themselves will build everything, but, unfortunately, they only shout. Well, it is not possible to live in the modern world without cooperation with this world. It's like playing soccer against Argentina alone. You can shout about your strength as much as you want, but there are more of them, and they are hardened in the competition.

                        So maybe it really is?

                        Maybe so, maybe not, who are the judges? Where is the objective criterion? Why do my battery meters measure heat in parrots, and not calories directly. Are these parrots recalculated by the management company based on the number of stars in the sky?

                        We have documents, we have seen, we know, the flickering of personnel.

                        Pause, check, evaluate. Write devastating articles. I don't like everything there. Novaya Gazeta's investigations are much more convincing. But this is nothing like TV noodles.
                      11. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 24 February 2021 19: 08
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                        When the investors have already entered ... I will borrow money from you, and then I will withdraw my signature from the receipt. Going?

                        The entry of investors is not an indulgence, it does not exempt the payment of taxes and compliance with the law. Nobody borrowed anything from them, the example is not correct. Whoever investors gave money to, let them demand a return.

                        The former management of YUKOS should return the money to shareholders from their foreign accounts, where the company's funds were transferred, said the chairman of the Constitutional Court (CC) of the Russian Federation, Valery Zorkin. “This year we made a decision on YUKOS, here Europe was unhappy. The Constitutional Court proceeded from the fact that there is a three-year term for collecting payments, but YUKOS artificially slowed down this term. Yukos shareholders bear joint responsibility, they encouraged Yukos's actions. I offered to open accounts of funds withdrawn from Russia and pay out of them to shareholders "

                        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3534917

                        What resources? Access to international courts is an element of the investment climate, nothing more.

                        Are you seriously? How did they advise you to read the Charter, did you try it yourself? Read article 18 first.

                        Will you lend to the bandits? And if they promise to return? Why don't you believe them?

                        Stop this nagging. Nobody borrowed anything from them. Trust Hodor out of the problem.

                        Does Russia want Ikea to build factories here, Hyundai to produce engines, and Airbus to produce chassis for its aircraft? Give them access to the kind of judgment they believe. It is very expensive to sue there, and the plaintiff pays for everything, but they are ready - these are courts with a very good reputation.

                        They will be interrupted. The Russian court is the most humane in the world. Come to work, use local laws.

                        If there were no politics in the Khodorkovsky case, he would not have sued a penny. He lost 80 percent anyway.

                        That's it, and after that you are talking about the reputation of the court? This dump is worse than the Stockholm court and the ECHR.

                        Hooray patriots, however, shout that they themselves will build everything, but, unfortunately, they only shout.

                        The venal liberda screams that we can’t do anything, but this is their opinion of the bastards and nothing more.

                        Well, it is not possible to live in the modern world without cooperation with this world.

                        Cooperation cooperation is different.

                        You can shout about your strength as much as you like, but there are more of them, and they are hardened in the competition.

                        And one soldier in the field. We are no strangers, they were not beaten like that.

                        Maybe so, maybe not, who are the judges? Where is the objective criterion? Why do my battery meters measure heat in parrots, and not calories directly. Are these parrots recalculated by the management company based on the number of stars in the sky?

                        There is a judgment. Do you recommend doing this in disputable situations? Or we advise others, do not use it ourselves? The market is disastrous for vital infrastructure, savings will start immediately, and as a result, everything will collapse. This is an example of foreign experience.



                        Pause, check, evaluate.

                        Do I look crazy? To study delirium under a microscope?

                        Write devastating articles.

                        This abomination is not worthy of such attention. Whose money is being withdrawn, let them use the content. I disdain.
                      12. lonesome Offline lonesome
                        lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 24 February 2021 21: 02
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                        The entry of investors is not an indulgence, it does not exempt the payment of taxes and compliance with the law.

                        Where did I write about indulgence? The Hague Court and the ECHR dealt with taxes, and many fines survived there. As I wrote, Khodorkovsky lost most of the demands. Taxes are everywhere, and you can't get away from them by replacing the court.

                        said the chairman of the Constitutional Court (CC) of the Russian Federation Valery Zorkin.

                        The donkey is sorry for its ears. Zorkin was ordered to save. But it won't help. To my sincere regret. Really sincere - these 50 yards, they are from my pocket, by the way.

                        Read article 18 first.

                        Well, I read it.

                        Contracting Parties recognize state sovereignty
                        and sovereign rights over energy resources. They
                        reaffirm that sovereignty and sovereign rights must
                        carried out in accordance with the norms of international law and with
                        compliance with them.

                        Etc. What scared you here? International law? That is, to define the rules on the shore and work according to them, and not according to concepts? Very scary.

                        Come to work, use local laws.

                        By the way, the Hague court judges in accordance with local (Russian, in this case) legislation. The only difference is that you cannot call there and resolve the issue.

                        Cooperation cooperation is different.

                        Any cooperation is better than confrontation. This is theory.

                        There is a judgment. Do you recommend doing this in disputable situations? Or we advise others, do not use it ourselves?

                        The court is needed when a dispute has arisen. And then what to bring to court, what to demand? Revision of tariffs? And what are the reasons? No market - no reason.

                        The market is disastrous for vital infrastructure, savings will start immediately, and as a result, everything will collapse. For example, this is foreign experience.

                        Lord, well, nonsense!
                        Have you ever seen central heating in the private sector in Crimea? Me not. What for it is in Texas, where the temperature drops below 0 very rarely. Here you need an air conditioner. What is happening now is a natural disaster. Any system has a design framework beyond which it will not work well. Imagine that in Moscow the temperature drops to -55 and lasts for a couple of weeks - the same thing will happen, only worse. Emergency power plant shutdowns, defrosting of heating mains, etc. Let us recall the accident in Chagino in 2005 and the blackouts in St. Petersburg. And how in the winter of 2005-2006 Chubais told on TV that due to abnormal frosts, their high-voltage switches in Siberia were failing, and the system was falling apart, and again there were blackouts in Moscow. Yes, Americans do not like gigantic centralized systems, they usually rely on themselves. Capitalism.
                        There is no such central heating with gigantic CHPPs like in Russia anywhere in the world. Is that in Iceland - but there heat from geothermal wells is distributed (centralized). In Germany, in Finland, autonomous boilers are usually installed. And a system with an autonomous boiler is more reliable, because it is simpler. And nobody boils in boiling water when it is tested for high pressure. Well, in the event of an accident, not the entire area is thawed, and one house is easier to repair. Although, from a technical point of view, a centralized system has advantages. Higher efficiency, for example.
                      13. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 24 February 2021 21: 22
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                        The donkey is sorry for its ears. Zorkin was ordered to save. But it won't help. To my sincere regret. Really sincere - these 50 yards, they are from my pocket, by the way.

                        As a rule, expressing sincere regret is not. But .. I can calm you down. Don't worry about your pocket, nobody will pay Hodor. You can present the ears to him as moral compensation.

                        Well, I read it.

                        Read on. Or are you tired at the first point?

                        By the way, the Hague court judges in accordance with local (Russian, in this case) legislation. The only difference is that you cannot call there and resolve the issue.

                        Can't call from Russia? They dial up to the ECHR and Stockholm without problems, and the connection with The Hague is no worse.

                        Lord, well, nonsense!
                        Have you ever seen central heating in the private sector in Crimea? Me not. What for it is in Texas, where the temperature drops below 0 very rarely. Here you need an air conditioner. What is happening now is a natural disaster.

                        And where have you seen nuclear power plants in the private sector? The station shut down due to lack of air conditioning?

                        Any system has a design framework beyond which it will not work well. Imagine that in Moscow the temperature drops to -55 and lasts for a couple of weeks - the same thing will happen, only worse.

                        Nothing, will stand. How is the question being designed there. Frosts were 30 years ago. Nobody could predict repetitions? At least at a nuclear power plant? Everything is done according to the principle - the cheaper the better. This is such a market. You can not save on everything. It's good that our decisions are not made by such frivolous people as you.

                        Emergency power plant shutdowns, defrosting of heating mains, etc. Let us recall the accident in Chagino in 2005 and the blackouts in St. Petersburg. And how in the winter of 2005-2006 Chubais told on TV that due to abnormal frosts, their high-voltage switches in Siberia were failing, and the system was falling apart, and again there were blackouts in Moscow.

                        That's right, the problems were serious. They saved on equipment, the main thing was profit. The absence of Chubais dramatically reduces the possibility of problems.

                        Yes, Americans do not like gigantic centralized systems, they usually rely on themselves. Capitalism.

                        If you want to experience all the delights of capitalism, do it on an individual basis. You shouldn't push people to it. The neighbors are not to blame that you have cockroaches in your head.

                        In Germany, in Finland, autonomous boilers are usually installed. And a system with an autonomous boiler is more reliable, because it is simpler.

                        I have one on the wall. He needs at least electricity, he doesn't work without it.
                      14. lonesome Offline lonesome
                        lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 24 February 2021 21: 55
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                        Read on. Or are you tired at the first point?

                        I read it to the end. There is nothing wrong there. Perhaps "inter alia" scared you - it was "among other things". That is, generally non-mandatory clauses - "other" do not apply.

                        Can't call from Russia?

                        Can I call. It is impossible to decide. The reputation is painfully expensive. The parties to the agreements themselves choose them. Not like Zorkin.

                        And where have you seen nuclear power plants in the private sector? The station shut down due to lack of air conditioning?

                        The station shut down due to the fact that it was not designed, or tested for such temperatures. At nuclear power plants, and not such accidents happen. Have you heard, for example, about the 1991 accident at Chernobyl? (not 86, namely 91st) The switch went wrong and the generator became the engine, the turbine was blown up, the reactor was miraculously not melted - that's fun! Show angry Americans.
                        I can describe to you many accidents at Russian nuclear power plants, so what? Shutting down is the best option.
                        In hindsight, when everything has already been studied and understood, all these accidents seem so idiotic. And the Woodpeckers in Chernobyl, what ... You were missing there.
                        On average, according to the IAEA, the Americans are doing well with the design. No worse than ours.

                        Nothing, will stand.

                        Or it won't. Your guarantee somehow does not warm up.

                        That's right, the problems were serious. They saved on equipment, the main thing was profit. The absence of Chubais dramatically reduces the possibility of problems.

                        By the time Chubais arrived, it was much worse than in Ukraine now. Chubais pulled out, including through Western investments. Otherwise, there would have been a collapse even now.

                        I have one on the wall. He needs at least electricity, he doesn't work without it.

                        UPS and stand-alone generator to help.
                      15. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 24 February 2021 22: 20
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                        I read it to the end. There is nothing wrong there.

                        Why didn't you quote point 4? Are you ashamed? winked

                        Can I call. It is impossible to decide. The reputation is painfully expensive.

                        Was. They now have a reputation for being socially disadvantaged.

                        The parties to the agreements themselves choose them. Not like Zorkin.

                        They chose. They may continue to be, but it does not suit us No.

                        The station shut down due to the fact that it was not designed or tested for such temperatures.

                        It's hard with you. That's what I'm talking about. Frosts happen, but it was designed without taking into account. The pursuit of profit.

                        At nuclear power plants and not such accidents happen. Have you heard, for example, about the 1991 accident at Chernobyl? (not 86, namely 91st) The switch went wrong and the generator became the engine, the turbine was blown apart, the reactor was miraculously not melted - that's fun!

                        Because of the frost?

                        Show angry Americans.

                        They can't, they'll kick them out of social networks and declare them a terrorist.

                        In hindsight, when everything has already been studied and understood, all these accidents seem so idiotic. And the Woodpeckers in Chernobyl, what ... You were missing there.

                        The main thing is that you were missing there, everything would have happened before. It's one thing when equipment failure or personnel errors. And this is a potential accident at the design stage. They take into account everything, seismic hazard, climate and so on. They deliberately decided to reduce the cost, it’s cheaper.

                        On average, according to the IAEA, the Americans are doing well with the design. No worse than ours.

                        In the course of Fukushima? They didn't count on a tsunami. Maybe that's why nothing has been built over the past 30 years. 2 reactors are still poking around, and Westinghouse is bankrupt.

                        Or it won't. Your guarantee somehow does not warm up.

                        This is not my guarantee, but the calculation of specialists, a huge margin of safety and capacity reservation.

                        By the time Chubais arrived, it was much worse than in Ukraine now. Chubais pulled out, including through Western investments. Otherwise, there would have been a collapse even now.

                        It was he who brought it to this. He stretched more than he pulled.

                        UPS and stand-alone generator to help.

                        Keep the generator in the apartment? He fiddles with gasoline and if you drag the cable from the balcony, then the door cannot be closed and there is a slight gray smoke ...
                      16. lonesome Offline lonesome
                        lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 25 February 2021 00: 41
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                        Why didn't you quote point 4? Are you ashamed?

                        Well, here it is, no big deal:

                        The Contracting Parties undertake to facilitate access to energy resources, inter alia, through a non-discriminatory allocation based on published criteria, permits, licenses, concessions and contracts for the exploration and exploration of energy resources or for their exploitation or production.

                        What scared you? Non-discriminatory? Who was it when it bothered. Look at government purchases. Real cases in the _previously published_ purchase (preparation of a site for the construction of the metro) there was a requirement that the company should own an excavator with a bucket volume of 0.47 cubic meters. m. One of the participants had an excavator with a volume of 0.5 cubic meters - they were removed from the competition.
                        Another example is the drawing of 100 sites under a gas station with one lot. It was clear to the whole market that only Lukoil could be a participant. They would be divided into lots of 5-10 plots, there would be many participants, the price would be many times higher.
                        In general, the car can be any, but the name must begin with "Mers" and end with "Benes"

                        They chose. They may continue to be, but it does not suit us

                        Specifically, they are not interested in you. And Russian companies continue to choose them.

                        Because of the frost?

                        Well, for example, because of the mud in the Gulf of Finland:
                        https://bellona.ru/2015/10/07/laes-tina/
                        Aging of the capacitor (they didn't know its service life ?! Saved !!!!):
                        https://ria.ru/20190720/1556720050.html
                        In my opinion, the water intakes were clogged with ice at the Leningrad NPP, but the link is not found quickly ...
                        And there are a lot of different short circuits.

                        In the course of Fukushima? They didn't count on a tsunami.

                        They were counting on a tsunami. It's just too complex a system. There are no identical tsunamis. It is impossible to take into account all the subtleties. Well, the service staff did not do very well.
                        In that Chernobyl accident in 1991, we had to find the same opportunities not included in the project. There, a miracle of ingenuity was enough - they managed to push the water into the reactor through the pump bearing. Otherwise, it would have turned out the same Fukushima. Only in RBMK it is much worse than in BWR.

                        This is not my guarantee, but the calculation of specialists, a huge margin of safety and capacity reservation.

                        This, unfortunately, is not a panacea. Practice says that the margin of safety is sometimes not where it is needed. And it's impossible to foresee everything.

                        It was he who brought it to this.

                        He got a completely collapsed system. Total non-payments, there was no fuel or spare parts at the stations, wage arrears for six months. The specialists scatter. It is not clear what to grasp and where to start. Management - a complete collapse. Nobody obeys to anyone, everyone pulls in his own direction.
                        And the system is huge - in my opinion there are 8 levels of hierarchy, and this is usually not viable - information neither from top to bottom nor from bottom to top does not pass without its total distortion.
                        However, in the early 90s it was so everywhere. What's in the oil industry, what's in the gas industry, what's in large factories ...
                        Gosplan is dead - the system has collapsed. Replacing a plan with a commercial relationship is not as easy as it sounds. Whoever produced consumer goods switched to barter. Whole barter chains were lined up. But electricity did not go well on barter ...
                        Turbid bill schemes began - a bill of exchange was bought on barter, then electricity was paid with it ... Pocket banks appeared, which traded in these bills. Creepy in general.
                        What would you do?
          2. lonesome Offline lonesome
            lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 24 February 2021 18: 43
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            Isn't it so with gas in Ukraine? Tear those same three skins.

            There is no perfect competition there. The open market is what Americans want. An LNG terminal that can accept tankers from America, Sabbetta, or from anywhere. But LNG itself is more expensive than pipe gas. It liquefies at minus 160. And you have to freeze it all the way ... Under normal relations with the supplier, gas from the pipe is cheaper. But we did not have normal relations with them. It's a pity. A thin world is better.
          3. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 24 February 2021 19: 12
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            There is no perfect competition there. The open market is what Americans want. An LNG terminal that can accept tankers from America, Sabbetta, or from anywhere. But LNG itself is more expensive than pipe gas. It liquefies at minus 160. And you have to freeze it all the way ... Under normal relations with the supplier, gas from the pipe is cheaper. But we did not have normal relations with them. It's a pity. A thin world is better.

            Has the Nord Stream been restricted by market measures? Is it an open market and fair competition? Stop lying. They don't need any fair market. The relationship did not work out due to their fault. And I'm not sorry, let them knock on ... home. They still have to restore Texas.
  7. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 February 2021 07: 57
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    Quote: lonesome
    It was not me who signed, Russia signed, and in accordance with Art. 15 p 4 of the Constitution, they are an integral part of the legal system of Russia. Or do you think that Russia is incompetent and its treaties have no effect at all? Do you really think the whole world is idiots?

    As far as I know, the principle of the supremacy of international law over Russian law was abolished last year.
  8. lonesome Offline lonesome
    lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 24 February 2021 11: 05
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    You know wrong. The 15th article of the constitution continues to operate. Listen to propagandists less. Only in some cases (extremely rare), when the constitutional court points out clear contradictions with the Russian constitution, it (and only it) can decide to act in accordance with the Russian constitution. But there is no contradiction to the constitution. And it will not be the Russian courts that will enforce this decision, but for them international law is primary.
  • lonesome Offline lonesome
    lonesome (Alexander Abramov) 23 February 2021 20: 59
    +1
    Who's in the way? Buy on the exchange. https://www.moex.com/

    moex is a stock exchange, there are only pieces of paper.
    For oil here - https://spimex.com/
  • Dzafdet Offline Dzafdet
    Dzafdet (Sergei) 23 February 2021 13: 57
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    We urgently need to cut the pipe. Stop feeding the country 404.
  • alex-sherbakov48 23 February 2021 18: 11
    +1
    It is high time to cut off all Banderlog and their equipment from our energy carriers. But will our oligarchs want to take such a step? They will sell their mother for the sake of the golden calf. And the fact that their fuel helps to kill our Russian people in Donbass does not bother them at all. Therefore, our oligarchs who trade fuel and lubricants for military equipment with the Ukrainian military-industrial complex should be equated with the same banderlog, i.e. criminals. In Russia, they condemned American politicians who traded weapons and fuels and lubricants with Nazi Germany, but now, what are we doing? Same!!!
  • Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 24 February 2021 08: 27
    +2
    Perfectly. There is a precedent. Now the Russian Federation is simply obliged to nationalize all the property of the Bandera beast located on the territory of the Russian Federation, as at least some compensation for the harm caused to the Russian people by the Bandera animals.
  • Yuri Shalnov Offline Yuri Shalnov
    Yuri Shalnov (Yuri Shalnov) 24 February 2021 20: 36
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    Zelensky copied Putin, who also dealt with Pavel Grudinin, illegally squeezing the state farm from him (the state farm is now owned by Sablin and Vorobyov)
  • SergeySer Offline SergeySer
    SergeySer 25 February 2021 03: 04
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    Slowly it is necessary to close absolutely all cases with this unfinished square ... let them jump to Europe, and pump my guest workers through these pipes ...
  • Vsevolod Nasonkin (Vsevolod Nasonkin) 25 February 2021 12: 03
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    Ukraine is escalating the situation in Donbass. Ukraine is going to return by force the Crimea and, as they believe, the lands they previously owned - Rostov, Belgorod, Oryol regions and Kuban. Openly declares about preparations for hostilities with the Donbass, regularly shells it, is ready to start a war with Russia .. And we supply them with fuel to refuel tanks and armored vehicles, supply them with electricity, which goes to enterprises that manufacture weapons, coal and something else, we accept a huge number of workers. We practically keep most of Ukraine. We forcefully impose our vaccine against covid on them. Apparently for nothing. And in response, we receive only spitting and nasty things addressed to us. Isn't it time for the authorities to think about respect for their country and all of us, close all the valves, turn off the switches and send Ukrainians home from Russia
  • ser.rudov2016 Offline ser.rudov2016
    ser.rudov2016 (Sergey Rudov) 1 March 2021 11: 18
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    How can they "nationalize" the transit pipeline? In fact, this is theft. Will Sechin really agree with this?
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  • Vladimir Lendenev (Vladimir Lendenev) 4 May 2021 09: 04
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    Some sharks took ownership of other sharks. To the peoples of Russia and Ukraine this is purple
  • Tungsten Molybdenum (Tungsten Molybdenum) 4 May 2021 20: 05
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    servant of what people?