Macron got into argument with Biden, claiming NATO is meaningless

On February 19, 2021, the next Munich Security Conference took place. It was "lightning fast", because due to the COVID-19 pandemic it took place online and lasted only 3 hours, and not the traditional several days.

It should be noted that the views of the leaders of the most powerful Western powers began to diverge on the issue of the further expediency of the existence of the NATO bloc. For example, French President Emmanuel Macron entered into a correspondence dispute with his US counterpart Joe Biden on this matter.

The American president, who spoke at this event for the first time as the head of an American state, assured that Washington will remain fully committed to NATO and Article 5 of its charter, which provides for collective defense. He explained that the West is being attacked by Moscow, which wants to weaken the Alliance and the European Union, so the US is ready to defend the Europeans.

In turn, the French president drew attention to the fact that it is difficult to fight a structure that no longer exists. According to Macron, NATO cannot be called an actual organization, therefore everything connected with the Alliance needs to be rethought, writes the Financial Times.

He recalled that the West has created its own militarypolitical block for confrontation between the USSR and the Warsaw Pact Organization. However, they have ceased to exist long ago, but "senseless opposition" continues. Macron is confident that "the West has not digested the end of communism."

We continue to fight against ideology and organizations that no longer exist, as well as geopolitical logic that also no longer exists. <…> It must be admitted that solving these problems will take time

- added Macron.

In addition, Macron sharply criticized the work of the UN Security Council. He is convinced that "this body is no longer working as it should", i.e. unable to end regional conflicts. The French leader called the permanent members of the UN Security Council "crazy" for the fact that at one time they allowed "to replace it with competing regional formats."

Macron noted that a "revived" UN Security Council could ease tensions between the United States and China. He stressed that France, Great Britain and Russia are supporters of the resumption of normal interaction within the UN Security Council.
  • Photos used: UNESCO Headquarters Paris
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  1. _AMUHb_ Offline _AMUHb_
    _AMUHb_ (_AMUHb_) 20 February 2021 19: 14
    but he did not remind that NATO "drew" before the Warsaw Treaty ... each ... holds us for idiots
  2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 February 2021 20: 35
    Yes, I think NATO generals are now lighting candles for Putin every day.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 20 February 2021 20: 48
      Oleg Rambover, not in the right place, you think. Only your head is full of thoughts about Vladimir Vladimirovich from morning to evening.
  3. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 20 February 2021 20: 49
    Chatty youth. It could have been more laconic ... I went to the podium. Sarkozy's mistake has been fixed. We left NATO. Thanks to all.
    Nobody would call Emanuel a crumb, he didn't shake off dandruff. And this one will talk a lot and do nothing. Otherwise, no one will remove the yellow vests from the streets.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 21 February 2021 07: 03
      Chatty youth

      Here you are not young (age-related incontinence tests), but also chatty :)

      We left NATO. Thanks to all.

      Does he need it?
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 21 February 2021 15: 06
        Here you are not young (age-related incontinence tests), but also chatty :)

        Everything is relative. As a child, 30-year-olds seemed old. Youth is a shortcoming that quickly passes. (Goethe, if I'm not mistaken). But other disadvantages do not automatically disappear with it. You better drink winked

        Does he need it?

        So try to answer this question. Before Sacrkozi, France lived fine without NATO. What has changed since then, what are the pros and cons of participating in the organization. If NATO is so necessary for France, why didn't they join earlier? Why Macron is not happy with the state of affairs. In general, I could answer your question in detail, but ... Do I need it?
  4. Pandiurin Offline Pandiurin
    Pandiurin (Pandiurin) 20 February 2021 22: 08
    A strange statement from a Euro-Atlanticist like Merkel. For them, it is more natural to view the world order as the primacy of the US + EU alliance in the world and, of course, NATO as cement.

    With Trump, it was clear why, he is an ardent opponent of globalization and Euro-Atlanticism.

    And now Macron is not clear what prompted to kick up.
    Tolley is a financial question to lobby for French weapons in NATO, under the aegis of a possible "EuroNATO".
    Or it smelled too fried because of the confrontation with Russia and China and NATO is in front of me.
    Well, like Macron is not against NATO, but you need to change the purpose of existence, exclude Russia and China from enemies and, accordingly, reduce the level of aggression.
    Or maybe he just plays in the opposition, i.e. in Europe, they are not happy with NATO, Macron cannot do anything about it, he decided to lead the dissatisfied, a sort of Trojan horse-macaroni.
  5. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 21 February 2021 02: 39
    According to the results of the Second World War, the leading leaders of the anti-Hitler coalition were ranked among the affected countries (and even received from them their "sector" of Berlin and the zone of occupation during the partition of Germany), and not among the Hitler's allies.
    Yes, and de Gaulle, being the President of France, capriciously (but not for long, because he soon "fell under the students", because the "anti-subversive" color technologies "American" democolonizers "were confidently practicing already in the 60s)" the line "in relation to NATO ....
    Therefore, Emma Macron, as it were, "by inheritance", quite democratically, allows herself anti-NATO (read anti-American, because this aggressive "military bloc" is completely under the control of Washington and fulfills only the "wishes" of the United States, which the "manipulated" Europeans are unhappy with, but do not dare to say this!) "kick up" and "cut the truth," not like the German Angela Merkel, who is under the pressure of the American occupation "chancellor-act" ... winked
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 21 February 2021 07: 06
      After all, "American" demolonizers "confidently practiced the" disruptive "subversive" color technologies "already in the 60s)

      And the USSR began to do this even earlier - for example, in the 30s in Spain, in the 40s in the Baltic States, in the 50s in Korea, etc.
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 21 February 2021 10: 12
        Quote: Cyril
        After all, "American" demolonizers "confidently practiced the" disruptive "subversive" color technologies "already in the 60s)

        And the USSR began to do this even earlier - for example, in the 30s in Spain, in the 40s in the Baltics, in the 50s in Korea, etc.

        Cyril, you self-confidently overestimate your own "talents" and are clearly not addressing such a Goebbelsuch "noodle" - this time!
        And, along the way, from your helpless equivalents, "for example" I clearly see that the theme of Spain 30s, Baltic 40s, Korea 50s, etc. don't own it at all - that's two! request
        And third, Cyril, whose cow would moan about allegedly "the USSR began to do this even earlier (than the USA-USA)", You don't know the history of the United States at all ... ??!
        wassat laughing
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 21 February 2021 12: 12
          Kirill, you self-confidently overestimate your own "talents"

          My talents do not take any sideways to this problem.

          that the theme of Spain 30s, Baltic 40s, Korea 50s, etc. don't own it at all - that's two!

          Of course, of course ... The USSR did not support the left in Spain, pro-Soviet organizations in the Baltic states before its annexation, and in Korea, Kim Il Sung, well, completely without the help of the USSR, fought against the South. Historians lie, we know, we know.

          And thirdly, Kirill, whose cow would have moaned about allegedly "the USSR began to do this even earlier (than the USA-USA)", you do not know the history of the United States at all ... ??!

          Stop. It was you who said - I quote - that:

          American "democolonizers" confidently practiced already in the 60s)

          I said (with specific examples) that the USSR organized and supported anti-government protests and demonstrations in other countries back in the 30s, 40s and 50s.

          So you don't know the history of either the USA or the USSR. And most likely, both of that and the other country.
          1. beeper Offline beeper
            beeper 21 February 2021 14: 30
            Today, 12: 12
            I said (with specific examples)

            Well, what are these "concrete examples" of the use by the Soviet Union of American "anizhedet color technologies" (like the anti-government "student speeches" I mentioned in Golist France of the 60s) did you, Kirill, "tell" us ?! wassat
            After all, you have no such specific examples(except for some unfounded, completely non-specific, "general hints", they say, think out-fantasize for yourself or you, as in that old joke, about the idle boasting of forest animals and a bear who had nothing to say, but your "five cents" wanted to insert - "yes I, yes I have, but wait how .... bahnu" ?! lol ) it was not "said" (to which I drew your attention in the last post, as well as the fact that you, Cyril, arrogantly overestimate your "talents" and your "knowledge" of modern history! yes )! request
  6. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 21 February 2021 08: 56
    What, the boy is finally becoming a man? ..
  7. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 21 February 2021 13: 12
    France is not against NATO, for the European army and the military-industrial complex ..
    Possessing scientific and production potential, nuclear technology, aviation, shipbuilding, rocketry and other potential, he dreams of becoming the basis of the European army and the military-industrial complex in alliance with the non-renaissance.
    Europe will have a chance to enter into equal partnership with the United States, will give a powerful stimulus to the development of the economy and consolidation of Europe, to fight for the redistribution of world spheres of influence, a huge market for the sale of weapons and goods around the world, and become one of three full-fledged world centers.
    When it happens, this will greatly increase the role of France and the EU, and the creation of a European military-industrial complex cannot but affect the interests and influence of large US capital.
    Everyone outside the United States will win, but the EU will benefit the most. The RF and the PRC and all other states of the world will not be at a loss either - it is better to maneuver to your advantage between the PRC-US-EU than to obey the sole dictate of the United States.