Kiev disclosed plan "B" for Donbass


The head of the Ukrainian delegation to the Trilateral Contact Group on resolving the situation in Donbass, Leonid Kravchuk, disclosed information about the so-called "B" plan of Kiev for Donbass, the essence of which he shared with the viewers of the television channel "1 + 1".


Kravchuk believes that, first of all, the entire world community must realize that there is a war in the eastern regions of Ukraine, and call on Russia to stop "aggressive actions" - the armed conflict will not end as long as everyone thinks that Ukraine is at war "with itself." It is necessary to recognize the immutable truth that a war is going on in the eastern territories of the country, and all events must be looked at from the point of view of the war.

Recognition by all without exception that we are a warring country, we are at war, we are fighting back the aggressor, and we consider any issues through the prism of war. This will be plan "B"

- says Leonid Kravchuk.

At the same time, the first president of Ukraine significantly bypasses the question that the legal recognition of the fact of war is impossible without declaring it. If Ukraine considers itself a belligerent, let it officially declare war on Russia and then count the days until Russian tanks rumble across Khreshchatyk.

Kravchuk also believes that now it is necessary to pay close attention to discipline and order in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as efforts to cleanse the “fifth column” from the country and punish anyone who breaks the law or tries to circumvent it.
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  1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
    Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 19 February 2021 18: 32
    +7
    Good plan!
    -But the plan is a very tricky subject
    If he is, then he is not immediately ... (c)
    1. Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
      Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 20 February 2021 05: 18
      +2
      This can only be done under a very powerful psychotropic substance:

      after a meeting of the National Security and Defense Council on February 19, Zelensky signed decrees on the creation of civil-military administrations (CAA) in Donetsk and Luhansk regions

      The corresponding decrees No. 61/2021 and No. 62/2021 have been published on the website of the President's Office.
  2. Oleg Osadchiy Offline Oleg Osadchiy
    Oleg Osadchiy (Oleg Osadchiy) 19 February 2021 18: 44
    +6
    Merciful Lord, well, please give them at least a bit of reason - these stubborn ones.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 19 February 2021 19: 41
      +4
      rather, the earthworm will have eggs ...
    2. chemyurij Offline chemyurij
      chemyurij (chemyurij) 19 February 2021 20: 48
      +2
      Quote: Oleg Osadchiy
      Merciful Lord, well, please give them at least a bit of reason - these stubborn ones.

      He would have given, so they don't take. laughing
  3. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 19 February 2021 18: 52
    +3
    It is necessary to speak with rogues in their language. If Ukraine is not going to fulfill the Minsk agreements, then it does not need Donbass. The people can decide their own destiny. Russia just has to support this decision, as with Crimea. It is possible in another way. So for any contract that is not fulfilled or not paid includes a penalty fee. In a gangster environment it is called differently. In my opinion Russia has every right to include this penalty. All the same, Russia will be steeper than any housing and communal services or bank. In general, the "sea" option, there is no political will to resolve these issues.
  4. GRF Offline GRF
    GRF 19 February 2021 19: 52
    +2
    The outskirts are stable, as before they could not free themselves without help from others, and now they cannot.
  5. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 19 February 2021 20: 05
    +4
    This one with ..... back in the early fifties of the last century was a liaison in the OUN-UPA gangs, which were liquidated only in 1956, and then Judas Khrushchev announced them an amnesty, after which many of them began to quietly get jobs on high party and government positions, and in the same way this Kravchuk "attached" himself to the Ukrainian government, in the early sixties of the last century he was already in many positions in the CPU, and in 1990 he was already the second secretary of the CPU, and the chairman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and there are just a lot of such scoundrels, and it is useless to expect something intelligible and peaceful from them, as well as to conduct some kind of "Minsk agreement" with them.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 20 February 2021 00: 48
      +2
      And, just in the fall of 1990. the first monument to Bandera appeared in Ukraine.
  6. zz811 Offline zz811
    zz811 (Vlad Pervovich) 19 February 2021 20: 32
    +1
    while everyone thinks that Ukraine is at war "with itself"

    so isn't this your territory ??
  7. chemyurij Offline chemyurij
    chemyurij (chemyurij) 19 February 2021 20: 46
    +1
    and efforts to cleanse the fifth column from the country and punish anyone who breaks the law or tries to get around it.

    Blood still got drunk, ghoul.
  8. Robot Bobot Offline Robot Bobot
    Robot Bobot (Robot Bobot Free Thinking Machine) 19 February 2021 23: 45
    +2
    Lyonya, and you also wore vodka to the Bendera people, Bolshevich OK, are you our little face?
  9. begemot20091 Offline begemot20091
    begemot20091 (begemot20091) 20 February 2021 00: 45
    +3
    I thought that he was only a moral impotent, but he still suffers from dementia. the son of an accomplice of the fascists who constantly betrayed everyone and everything must end his life on the scaffold.
  10. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
    aquarius580 20 February 2021 03: 06
    -8
    then he counts the days until Russian tanks rumble down Khreshchatyk.

    - in modern combat, a tank lives for one and a half minutes. The APU has enough ATGMs in store. In the city, these iron boxes have nowhere to go. There will be a second Debaltseve with fried Buryats.
    1. Vall eremkin Offline Vall eremkin
      Vall eremkin (Vall Eremkin) 20 February 2021 05: 11
      +2
      And nobody will fight on Khreshchatyk. The war will begin and end in the East. And further and to the center of Kiev Tanks will march in parade columns.
      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 21 February 2021 10: 40
        -4
        Moreover, they will be burned in the east. As in Debaltsevo.
    2. Vall eremkin Offline Vall eremkin
      Vall eremkin (Vall Eremkin) 20 February 2021 05: 12
      +5
      Sorry, did you win in Debaltseve too?
      1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
        Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 20 February 2021 07: 29
        +4
        Well, like this!

        we fled heroically, and the enemy cowardly attacked

        (C)
      2. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 21 February 2021 10: 41
        -4
        If they had lost, Joseph Kobzon would not have galloped over to support that burned-out Buryat for the bad memory. And you have not advanced further than Debaltseve; this was your limit.
    3. Serval Offline Serval
      Serval 20 February 2021 07: 39
      +1
      Quote: aquarius580
      The APU has enough ATGMs in store.

      Expensive aquarius, what other ATGMs? There are no troops whatsoever from Goptovka to Kharkov. None of the tank-hazardous areas is covered by any troops. Neither from Kharkov nor from Perekop. And the way to Odessa is completely free. And if you consider that in an hour the Pskov airborne division will land in Brovary and Zhulyany ...
      ... In general, this plan is called "Full P".
      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 21 February 2021 10: 43
        -4
        ATGMs called "Stugna". How many troops do you need to shoot at a tank? OPG "LDNR" is about 700 tanks. There is little work in the open field.
    4. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 February 2021 09: 52
      +6
      Are you talking about defective Javelins, expired, what the Yankees brought you? You forget that, unlike the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, it has not been using rarities for a long time, such as the T-64, and the Kontakt-1 active armor has also been removed from service for a long time. The defense of even the most stubborn of your fanatics will fall apart under the blows of our missile forces and the air force. Do not forget that we took Bamut, which was defended by experienced mercenaries, and the fortifications there remained from the Strategic Missile Forces of the USSR ... So after that, burning your Lviv with aerial bombs of a volumetric explosion, for example, is not a big deal for the Russian army.
      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
        aquarius580 21 February 2021 10: 45
        -5
        If you could take over Ukraine, you would have done it long ago.
        You can not. Bragging on the Internet is one thing, but the "Donetsk-Rostov" refrigerators remain in your memory.
        1. bear040 Offline bear040
          bear040 21 February 2021 12: 52
          +1
          You'd better inspect refrigerated trucks in Kharkov's dead ends, your mountains are rotten there and all the morgues of neighboring cities were littered with them, I'm not talking about the fact that most remained in the roadside ditches. If Putin is babysitting you, this does not mean that the Russian Federation cannot. Putin is not eternal, his rating falls and instead of him there will be no Navalny ... And no one is going to capture you, you are not even good for soap ... We will destroy them in the Donetsk fields, we will fertilize them with your carcasses .. I advise you to watch the American film ,, Apocalypse Today '' in 1979, so that you understand what Russian aviation can do with Ukrainian drunks near Donetsk ...
          1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
            aquarius580 21 February 2021 13: 42
            -4
            I advise you to see something about Chernobyl so that you understand what Rostov and Belgorod can become.
            1. bear040 Offline bear040
              bear040 21 February 2021 13: 51
              +1
              Russia is big, you can move from Rostov, and the Russian Federation can turn into Chernobyl, even into the Martian surface, your whole Ukraine, and you are not needed anywhere for a hundred years, except in Canadian logging, but disabled people with radiation sickness will not be accepted there either ... before fascism, then it is you beasts who staged the genocide of the Russian people and the Russian Federation should answer you in a mirror!
              1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                aquarius580 21 February 2021 14: 36
                -4
                So it is Ukraine's fault that in the Russian Federation every year there are 300 thousand fewer Russians? Is Ukraine to blame for the fact that two and a half million people fled from the territory controlled by the LPNR? By the way, according to the 2001 census, only 17% identified themselves as Russians, and in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russians - from 30% to 40% of the personnel. That is, it is mainly southeast.
                Your boyars, when they climbed into Ukraine, were mistakendo you understand? Now you have at your side, instead of a neutral, a fiercely hostile state, which will inevitably acquire nuclear weapons (and perhaps it already exists, like the means of delivery).
                I think that your boyars, to put it mildly, are incurable fools. Well, you yourself have been voting for them for 20 years. laughing
                1. bear040 Offline bear040
                  bear040 21 February 2021 14: 43
                  +2
                  Of course Ukraine, your Bandera lackey Chernomyrdin and similar Russophobes from the former Soviet of Deputies, such as the corrupt Georgian Shevardnadze. The Russians do not fight for Hochland, they have their own country, and certainly not a single Russian respects Hitler's diaper Bandera, and we will drag the ukrop geeks with Russian surnames to Novorossiysk on a rope, like bait for katrans ... All your Ukraine on the map of 1654 , within the boundaries of which you crawled into Russia from the Polish pigsty, everything else you have stolen ... including from Russia ... Were you smart when you voted for the crazy clown? Then you got rich with him, working as prostitutes, pimps and loaders in foreign countries ...
                  1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                    aquarius580 21 February 2021 15: 00
                    -5
                    Thank you for your sincerity. Can I take all your speeches to Ukrainian forums? And then there are still doubts - maybe there are still decent people among Russians? Your performances will dispel all doubts. smile
                    By the way, there is Ukraine on the map of Guillaume de Beauplan (1648) - about the same borders as today. There is also Russie: modern Galicia. And there is some kind of village in the swamp: Moskovia. But there is no "Russian Empire". request
                    1. bear040 Offline bear040
                      bear040 21 February 2021 15: 17
                      +1
                      With the ravings about the Ukrainian pharaohs Tutonkhomenko, go to a psychiatric hospital, or to the Censor, which is essentially the same thing, they will understand you there ... You just confirmed that the Banderaites are not warriors, but rats ... And tell your Bandera animals that for everything the crimes committed by them against the Russian people will have to be held accountable and for every bullet you fire at the Russian one hundred bullets will fly to you in response, it's just a matter of time and don't nod at Putin, maybe he is afraid of you, but we are not and the president, one way or another, in the Russian Federation there will soon be another ... and it will not be Navalny with Yavlinsky ...
                      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 21 February 2021 15: 21
                        -5
                        A matter of time: the collapse of your under-empire of 86 bantustans.
                        Khmelnitsky then only made a proposal for a military alliance, nothing more. Instead of history textbooks, this is a set of fairy tales, essays and tales for the weak-minded.
                  2. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                    aquarius580 21 February 2021 15: 17
                    -4
                    By the way: Stalin was Hitler's diaper, not Bandera. Stalin officially, from the pages of Pravda, called Hitler and Ribbentrop his "blood friends" in his telegram (1939); you can google it, the net is full of photocopies. But Bandera spent almost the entire war in Sachsenhausen, precisely because he did not want to serve the "Reich", but only wanted to create a state for his people. So it goes. I suppose you didn't know about it.
                    1. bear040 Offline bear040
                      bear040 21 February 2021 15: 22
                      +1
                      It was Bandera that was Hitler's diaper, Stalin did not wear Hitler's uniform and swastikas, like your geeks from the SS Galicia, who are capable of fighting only with unarmed women and children ... Although insults against this Georgian do not touch me ... Claims for Stalin-Dzhugashvili write Georgians ... As for your warriors, I forgot how your SS Galicia Voronezh tanks thrombosed into the ground at Brody ?! So we will remind ... Only instead of tanks there will be Iskander missiles ... Your Bandenra was in prison for being a thief and robbed even the Germans ...
                      1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 21 February 2021 15: 24
                        -5
                        Porridge is in your head. What relation did "Galicia" have (by the way, a combat unit, not a punitive one) to the OUN (B)? And what kind of tanks could you have without Lend-Lease? Tanks are armor steel, i.e. with alloying additions. And molybdenum was American. Who are you without America? Old man McCain said everything right.
                      2. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 21 February 2021 15: 32
                        +2
                        Your SS Galicia was formed precisely from punitive battalions, the Germans did not consider its cadres other than cattle, this is reflected in German documents. The tanks were quite normal, and under the Lend-Lease of the USSR, they received only 4000 Sherman tanks, which at least somehow could compete with the T-34, everything else was borokhl. Sherman received the nickname `` lighter '' from the tankers, they burned like matches. Tanks M-3 General Grand received the nickname `` mass grave for seven '' there was nothing to do with them, and English tanks with 42 mm guns were laughed at by chickens ... As for history, fables are now being written in Dill, clowns like your historian with a theatrical education Valeriy Bebik and his sidekick Valeriy Bereznyak, the author of a masterpiece called Atlantis - Pages of Ancient Ukrainian History. On your history textbooks you can defend a dissertation on psychiatry, you have a schizophrenic as a historian.
                      3. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 21 February 2021 15: 39
                        -5
                        I don't really care what divisions there formed. Bandera was against cooperation with the Germans, in contrast to Melnik; this was the reason for the split into OUN (B) and OUN (M). And the "historian Bebik" is the same Russian agent as Farion, Tyagnibok and Nitsoy. Nobody takes his works seriously. These are the real textbooks - they really contain the historical truth. About the Holodomor. About the terror of 1937. The fact that Stalin and Hitler jointly started the 2nd World War in Europe, and celebrated it with a joint parade in Brest, September 23, 1939.
                        Okay. I'm tired of you. Basically, I wandered into this portal by chance, in search of military news presented by professionals.
                        Start a combat sofa, warrior. Goodbye.
                      4. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 21 February 2021 15: 45
                        +1
                        Read about the Munich Agreement, France and England signed an agreement with Hitler before the USSR, and Poland, together with Hitler, occupied Czechoslovakia ... As for your Dill, you won't get out of the Russian land yourself, we will allocate you a meter by two, as we allocated to the Romanians near Voronezh, to the Germans and the entire royal army of Hungary. The Voronezh Front, which put cancer in your SS Galicia, destroyed more Germans than in Stalingrad ... See you soon, Bandera, hello from the Russian special forces. By the way, this year the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation will receive a new universal missile corvette “Zealous” of project 20380 M. You can please your Bandera korefans on the Censor with this news. The Yankees classify such ships as small rocket frigates.
                      5. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 21 February 2021 16: 13
                        -5
                        A censor is just a news feed. You shouldn't think that someone is afraid of you there. There they really do not like Zelensky and his quarters. And the Ukrainian Armed Forces have long been prepared for your plans, do not worry about it. Tens of thousands will go back in refrigerators. Just like six years ago.
                      6. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 21 February 2021 16: 22
                        +1
                        Believe it or not, my colleagues are now squeezing their women at home. In Crimea, my colleagues destroyed a detachment of Romanian special forces, in Donbass they destroyed a detachment of Polish special forces, and all this without losses on our side. My commander started his career in 2000 in Chechnya, so we are grated ... Yes, we were there, count the holes from SVD-K in the bad heads of their Bandera corefens, this is greetings to them from the Russian Federation. Not all of them in Chechnya and Ossetia shoot us, now get a response and bon appetite at the commemoration of your Bandera animals. Do not worry about us, after the missile and bomb strike of the Russian Federation, your APUs will run, overtaking each other in the cellars to hide in the finished shavar, well, whoever is lucky, but most will burn and the bones will be gone. Russia has the best volumetric explosion warheads in the world and the most powerful, more powerful than American ones. By the way, it is useless to hide from the warheads of a volumetric explosion in the cellars, everything burns out and bunkers and bunkers and cellars and basements. Even the fortifications left there from the Strategic Missile Forces of the USSR did not help the Chechen bandits in Bamut, so everything in them burned down
                  3. bear040 Offline bear040
                    bear040 21 February 2021 16: 13
                    +2
                    By the way, many of you and Poroshenko called the Kremlin a spy ... Soon the present one will be called Putin's drinking companion ... Look, no matter how you yourself are recorded as a spy of the Russian Federation, you hang around on Russian sites, but it’s awful and suspicious ... laughing This is your fashion, first choose another drunk and a thief for president, and then blame the Russian Federation for this
  • Serval Offline Serval
    Serval 20 February 2021 06: 53
    +1
    In fact, there are only two plans for Ukraine: Plan P and Full P.
  • Serval Offline Serval
    Serval 20 February 2021 07: 14
    +2
    It's time for Donetsk to carry out educational work with the idiots coming out.
  • rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 20 February 2021 08: 37
    +2
    the outskirts is the country of victorious idiotism, and this little baby is a vivid representative of this idiotism
  • EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
    EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 20 February 2021 09: 12
    0
    Sorry people. And such as this (quarius580) - too. He was sick just out of the ward, and you pounced on him. "Will move away" from "barbitura" may and will become normal ...