Why Russia won't shoot down American and Israeli air forces in Syria


Recently appeared on the Web video recording flight reconnaissance and attack drone MQ-9 Reaper ("Reaper") of the US Air Force in the skies over Syria. It is noteworthy that it was made from the cockpit of a Russian combat aircraft that was there on a mission. In the comments, many of our compatriots called on the Russian Aerospace Forces to shoot down uninvited guests so that the Americans would "respect us more" from this. But is it really worth doing this, and what will be the real consequences for Russia?


First, you need to figure out who and on what basis flies in the Syrian sky, as well as how to react to this. Let's start with our country. Since September 2015, the Russian Aerospace Forces have been participating on the side of Damascus in the fight against the terrorist groups Islamic State, Al-Qaeda and Jabhat al-Nusra banned in Russia. These are very specific military goals in helping a friendly state. There was no talk about their broad interpretation anywhere.

The United States and its Western allies have been in Iraq since 2014, as well as in neighboring Syria against the will of its official authorities. However, they, so to speak, “legalized” their military presence by the need to fight the already mentioned banned terrorist group “Islamic State”, or “Daesh”, as part of a broad international coalition. At the same time, the Americans have established control over the Syrian oil fields, on which they make good money. The reason, to put it mildly, is ambiguous, but who will forbid them?

Finally, in the skies over Syria, Israel is constantly infinite, which regularly launches missile and bomb strikes against Iranian military infrastructure. The Jewish state motivates this by the need for defense against the expansion of Tehran to its borders, but I would like to ask a counter question, why not just declare war on the Islamic Republic and SAR and start acting against them officially?

Since 2015, when the Russian military contingent was deployed to Syria, a burning topic has been regularly raised in discussions, why are we not shooting down Israeli or American planes that violate the air borders of our ally in the Middle East? But, in fact, should the RF Aerospace Forces do this?

Let's turn directly to the text of the 1980 Treaty on Friendship and Cooperation between the USSR and the Syrian Arab Republic. Recall that the Russian Federation is the legal successor of the Soviet Union, and this international legal treaty is valid to this day. So, Article 6 of this document says the following:

In the event of situations that threaten the peace or security of one of the Parties or create a threat to peace or a violation of peace and security throughout the world, the High Contracting Parties will immediately contact each other in order to coordinate their positions and cooperate to eliminate the threat and restore peace. ...

We see the words "coordination of positions" and "cooperation", but the provisions on the obligation of the USSR or the Russian Federation to organize an air defense system over Syria are not in the text, no matter how you read it. In general, this is not surprising given the entire history of the issue. During the Soviet period, Moscow actively helped Damascus against Israel by supplying weapons and sending thousands of military experts to the Middle East. The Syrians were especially interested in our anti-aircraft missile systems to counter the Israeli Air Force, preferably for purely symbolic money. By the beginning of the nineties, Damascus' arrears for the supplied weapons amounted to $ 14,5 billion, of which $ 2005 billion was written off in 10, and the rest was restructured. Damascus insisted that Soviet crews sit directly at the control panels of the air defense missile system, and clearly counted on the USSR as a "Big Brother" who could be drawn into a direct war with Israel on its side. The scale of military aid to Syria began to decline seriously already under Mikhail Gorbachev.

What do we have by 2021? Imagine that an American drone is shot down over the territory of the SAR. The key question is who will "land" it and on what basis. For example, in the summer of 2019, Iran destroyed a US Air Force RQ-4 Global Hawk UAV that violated the airspace of the Islamic Republic's Hormozgan province. And nothing, the Third World Nuclear War did not happen. Tehran was in its own right.

And if the Russian Aerospace Forces act in the same way in the skies over Syria? There is no doubt that Washington will immediately consider this an act of aggression against the entire international coalition led by the United States, which has been fighting terrorists for the seventh year. At best, this will end with the introduction of new anti-Russian sanctions. At worst, the Americans can respond symmetrically by shooting down some of the aircraft we already have. Is the Kremlin ready to further escalate the conflict?

As for Israel. If our "flyers" or anti-aircraft gunners begin to shoot down his planes, there is no doubt that the IDF will respond with strikes against our bases in Syria. Tel Aviv understands very well that Moscow will not use nuclear weapons against them, and Russia will not pull out a full-scale non-nuclear war with Israel in the Middle East. And if it does, throwing all the forces and resources on it, then why? Just to show that we're cooler than boiled eggs? And at what cost?

The bottom line is that effective air defense is the burden of the most sovereign state of Syria. The maximum that it can count on in this matter from Russia is the supply of modern air defense systems and the training of its military specialists. But the Russian Federation is far from the USSR, so there is no point in hoping for charity.
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  1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 19 February 2021 14: 03
    +4
    Russia will not shoot down the "Air Force" of Israel and the United States, because it can lead to unpredictable negative consequences, which Russian strategists cannot yet calculate, but they know for sure what will be bad, so shoot down without.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 19 February 2021 15: 24
      +1
      You are mistaken precisely after calculating all the risks and coming to the conclusion that

      Quote: Xuli (o) Tebenado
      Russia will not pull out a full-scale non-nuclear war with Israel in the Middle East now.

      The RF Ministry of Defense is behaving with restraint in relation to Israeli attacks on Iranian facilities and its proxies. If the Russian military considered that the Russian Federation has a chance to defeat the Americans or Israelis in the BV, then they would undoubtedly choose a different line of behavior. Where there are obviously weak opponents against Russian interests, there is a war against Georgia in 2008, the annexation of Crimea and the destabilization of Donbass.
      In addition, one should not forget that for Israel, attacks on Iranian targets in the territory of the former. Syria is a necessary measure to

      Quote: Xuli (o) Tebenado
      against the expansion of Tehran to its borders

      And for Russia, initially, the support of the Assad regime was primarily of economic importance, the Russians really wanted to prevent the construction of a gas pipeline from the Gulf to the shores of the Mediterranean Sea.
      I will note to Mr. Marzhetsky that the question is

      Quote: Xuli (o) Tebenado
      why not just declare war on the Islamic Republic and SAR and start acting against them officially?

      is purely rhetorical, since Israel and Syria have been at war since 1948, and the Iranian leadership's constant declared goal of destroying Israel is tantamount to declaring war.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 February 2021 06: 49
        -1
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        and the Iranian leadership's constant declared goal of destroying Israel is tantamount to declaring war.

        A highly controversial statement.
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 20 February 2021 06: 53
          0
          On the contrary, everything is very clear.
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 February 2021 07: 08
            -1
            Silly bickering
            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) 20 February 2021 08: 37
              -1
              You have correctly assessed your position.
  2. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 19 February 2021 14: 19
    +3
    but I want to ask a counter question, why not just declare war on the Islamic Republic and the SAR and start acting against them officially?

    1. Israel has no claims to the existence of the Iranian republic itself - neither political, nor territorial, nor economic, etc. Actually, even to the "regime of the Ayatollahs" it has no fundamental claims. His only complaint is the aggressive statements of the Iranian leadership (revealed by them, by this leadership, voiced) on the destruction of Israel as a state. Hence the containment of Iran's nuclear program and strikes against pro-Iranian groups. Israel does not want war, it does not want to wipe Iran off the face of the Earth and even simply eliminate the regime of the Ayatollahs. Why get involved in a full-fledged war?

    2. And Israel's SAR is already a state of war, in fact - Syria refuses to sign a peace treaty in the war that it unleashed.

    And so the article is good, I recognize S. Marzhetsky.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 February 2021 06: 44
      0
      Quote: Cyril
      2. And Israel's SAR is already a state of war, in fact - Syria refuses to sign a peace treaty in the war that it unleashed.

      What kind of peace treaty can there be while the Golan is annexed by Israel?
      Russia does not have a peace treaty with Japan either, but neither does a state of war.

      His only complaint is the aggressive statements of the Iranian leadership (revealed by them, by this leadership, voiced) on the destruction of Israel as a state. Hence the containment of Iran's nuclear program and strikes against pro-Iranian groups. Israel does not want war, it does not want to wipe Iran off the face of the Earth and even simply eliminate the regime of the Ayatollahs. Why get involved in a full-fledged war?

      A counter question to peace-loving Israel. Is there some connection between the aggressive statements of Iran and its nuclear program and the fact that Israel secretly created nuclear weapons in violation of all international norms? I don't quite understand why it is Israel that is displayed as white and fluffy, and the bad guy is Iran. Is Tehran's desire to acquire nuclear weapons if Israel has it — is this an act of aggression or an attempt to establish a balance of power?
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 20 February 2021 07: 00
        0
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        What kind of peace treaty can there be while the Golan is annexed by Israel?

        The same as, say, between the USSR and Finland.

        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Is there some connection between the aggressive statements of Iran and its nuclear program and the fact that Israel secretly created nuclear weapons in violation of all international norms?

        Not the slightest - the Israelis created their own nuclear weapons long before the Ayatollah regime came to power in Iran and it was not initially directed against Iran.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 February 2021 07: 10
          -2
          Quote: Bindyuzhnik
          Not the slightest - the Israelis created their own nuclear weapons long before the Ayatollah regime came to power in Iran and it was not initially directed against Iran.

          And against whom is it, created as you yourself admitted in violation of international agreements, directed?
          And further, given the actual presence of nuclear weapons in Israel, is Iran's desire to acquire it as an aggression or a protective measure? (I am not a supporter of Iran, if that).

          What kind of peace treaty can there be while the Golan is annexed by Israel?

          The same as, say, between the USSR and Finland.

          Well, first you still need to recognize Israel in order to sign a peace treaty with it .. smile
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 20 February 2021 08: 04
            +1
            Well, first you still need to recognize Israel in order to sign a peace treaty with it

            So who is stopping Syria from doing something? Everything is in the hands of the Syrians. Although, perhaps, Syrian policy is already in the hands of the Iranians - then everything is clear
          2. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 20 February 2021 08: 55
            0
            Against hostile Arab regimes, supported, armed and trained by the USSR, which at one time, like the Ayatollahs today, had the intention of destroying the Jewish state. Iran, by the way, in those years was the most friendly Islamic country to Israel, there were very close and mutually beneficial economic, military and cultural ties between the two states. Iranian policy sharply changed course with the rise to power of religious obscurantists who plunged the country into a new Middle Ages.

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            Well, first you still need to recognize Israel in order to sign a peace treaty with it ..

            Egypt and Jordan have long followed this path and are reaping the fruits of normal relations between their neighbors.
      2. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 20 February 2021 08: 01
        0
        What kind of peace treaty can there be while the Golan is annexed by Israel?

        Israel offered Syria the "occupied" Golan in exchange for signing a peace treaty. Syria refused.

        Russia does not have a peace treaty with Japan either, but neither does a state of war.

        Russia and Japan have close diplomatic cooperation, joint government programs, and intensive passenger and cargo traffic. It will be even more abrupt than the peace treaty.

        Is there some connection between the aggressive statements of Iran and its nuclear program and the fact that Israel secretly created nuclear weapons in violation of all international norms?

        First, Israel developed it in a specific situation - namely, during the war with the surrounding Arab countries. Which, by the way, was not unleashed by Israel.

        Secondly, Israel does not threaten to "wipe Iran as a state from the face of the Earth" and does not declare Iran a "shaitan to be destroyed."

        Fourth, Israel does not train or send fighters against other countries.
  3. Oder Offline Oder
    Oder (Wojciech) 19 February 2021 16: 17
    -1
    Should Russia shoot down a US plane over Syria, the US military will retaliate to do to your base what it did to the Wagner group at the time. He will rub her into dust!
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 February 2021 07: 11
      0
      You go there from a sunny place into the shade, your head is baked.
      Do not confuse private mercenaries with the military through the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
  4. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 19 February 2021 16: 43
    0
    why not just declare war on the Islamic Republic and SAR and start acting against them officially?

    A comment is superfluous. Curtain.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 February 2021 06: 43
      -3
      Quote: AlexZN
      why not just declare war on the Islamic Republic and SAR and start acting against them officially?

      A comment is superfluous. Curtain.

      Yes, do mercy. smile Your whining is already tired of it.
      1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
        Alexzn (Alexander) 20 February 2021 09: 10
        -1
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Quote: AlexZN
        why not just declare war on the Islamic Republic and SAR and start acting against them officially?

        A comment is superfluous. Curtain.

        Yes, do mercy. smile Your whining is already tired of it.

        Everything is better than your rudeness!
      2. Danila46 Offline Danila46
        Danila46 (Daniel) 21 February 2021 01: 52
        0
        "respected" author. You wrote real nonsense, and now you are offended by the criticism, in which they popularly proved to you that you are a complete layman in the issue of the Iranian-Israeli conflict. And because of this, they became personal? Yes, you are also an ignoramus!
  5. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 February 2021 16: 52
    +2
    Will, will not, all bullshit.

    The Syrians shot down one F, and ??? Nothing.
    Shot down one IL. AND??? Nothing.
    Iraqis shot down one Boeing. AND??? nothing.
    Endogan shot down one Su. And ??? Nothing...
    Jews regularly bomb those, and others, and ????

    Nothing
  6. oderih Offline oderih
    oderih (Alex) 19 February 2021 21: 53
    -5
    Formidable and indestructible Israel can only fart in the shadow of Lebanese cedars.
    1. Tramp1812 Online Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 20 February 2021 00: 40
      0
      Quote: oderih
      Formidable and indestructible Israel can only fart in the shadow of Lebanese cedars

      Israel has never used chemical weapons. Not true, yours. Essentially in Syria, Israel acts as a deterrent against Iran. Which is in the interests of Russia, Turkey and the Arab world. Therefore, no one reacts. I emphasize that he does not react in any way. Three days ago, near Damascus, again Hel Aaavir covered another batch of Iranian missiles. The Russian media did not even report this. Routine.
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  8. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 February 2021 00: 37
    +1
    Quote: Odra
    Should Russia shoot down a US plane over Syria, the US military will retaliate to do to your base what it did to the Wagner group at the time. He will rub her into dust!

    Wrong. Nobody will erase the Russian base to dust. It's just that the F-22s will destroy Russian planes taking off from the Khmeimim base, or flying through Syria to the Khmeimim base - the planes will simply fall for unknown reasons ... The Russian leadership understands this, it is absolutely not interested in this, therefore, to shoot down the Israeli or American aircraft there can only foolishly, the so-called "kurtosis of the performer." But it will be shaken ...
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 February 2021 07: 13
      0
      Quote: Michael1950
      Wrong. No one will erase the Russian base to dust. It's just that the F-22s will be destroyed by Russian planes taking off from the Khmeimim base, or flying through Syria to the Khmeimim base - the planes will simply start falling for unknown reasons ...

      You too have fantasized fellow Sit under the air conditioner, have a cold drink.
    2. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 20 February 2021 16: 04
      -2
      It's just that the F-22s will be destroyed by Russian planes taking off from the Khmeimim base, or flying through Syria to the Khmeimim base - the planes will simply start falling for unknown reasons ... The Russian leadership understands this, it is absolutely not interested in this

      - The fact that ... - "The Russian leadership ........ is absolutely not interested in this" ... this is clear to everyone ... - But the fact that the "Russian leadership understands this" ... - personally I still don't understand ... - Otherwise, this our so-called military base Khmeimim would not have gaped like a supermarket showcase; or as one of the pavilions of VDNKh ... - accessible to everyone and viewed by everyone ...; which can literally be swept away by mortar fire and MLRS fire ... - Over the six years of its presence in Syria, Russia has not created a more or less powerful military base (I will not say anything about "fortifying the area"); properly protected and with adequate military capabilities ...
      - My plus to you ...
  9. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 20 February 2021 09: 26
    0
    To be in war and remain a saint? It's impossible!!! But this is exactly what the author calls for! Yes, our military is operating in Syria. Therefore, we have such big losses, and Israel and the United States are doing what they want. I have already said more than once that there is a "sea" of options to spoil Israel and the United States with someone else's hands. There is simply no political will. And everything else is an excuse!
  10. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 February 2021 11: 45
    +1
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Quote: Michael1950
    Wrong. No one will erase the Russian base to dust. It's just that the F-22s will be destroyed by Russian planes taking off from the Khmeimim base, or flying through Syria to the Khmeimim base - the planes will simply start falling for unknown reasons ...

    You too have fantasized fellow Sit under the air conditioner, have a cold drink.

    - Sergei, you wrote such wild nonsense here: "Only one Tu-22M3M with three X-32 missiles zeroes the US AUG potential" - Aren't you ashamed?
    1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 20 February 2021 16: 15
      -2
      You wrote such wild nonsense here: "Only one Tu-22M3M with three X-32 missiles nullifies the US AUG potential" - Aren't you ashamed?

      -Yes ... -Hahah ...
      -... - And how many "couch adepts" were there for all this ...
      - how many of the same "adepts" were found; when personally I'm in the subject:

      Russian Defense Ministry prepares tests of unknown types of missiles

      - mentioned the American Trident missile and our Bulava ... - It's just some kind of savagery ... - it even becomes scary ... - how dense and primitive it all is ... - just some kind of uzhZhZhS. ..
      The audience did not even understand ... - what is it about ..
      - My plus ...
  11. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 February 2021 11: 51
    0
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Not the slightest - the Israelis created their own nuclear weapons long before the Ayatollah regime came to power in Iran and it was not initially directed against Iran.

    And against whom is it, created as you yourself admitted in violation of international agreements, directed?
    And further, given the actual presence of nuclear weapons in Israel, is Iran's desire to acquire it as an aggression or a protective measure? (I am not a supporter of Iran, if that).

    - At one time it was created against the conglomerate of Arab countries, incited to Israel by the USSR.
    Today they are shouting from Tehran that they are ready and are going to destroy Israel. In Israel, no one ever said that Iran should be destroyed.
    So who is the aggressor ?!
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 20 February 2021 12: 05
      -2
      Quote: Michael1950
      So who is the aggressor ?!

      YOU! You are the aggressors, this is clearly seen from the comments of your compatriots.

      One Bandyuzhnik what is it worth. I thought he would be banned when he called for pressure on the Iranians. And not only this...
  12. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 February 2021 12: 00
    -1
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    What kind of peace treaty can there be while the Golan is annexed by Israel?

    - You really don't know the history of the issue at all? The day after the proclamation of the State of Israel, a number of Arab countries, including Syria, attacked it.

    As an aggressor country, it must pay for aggression - just like the USSR annexed East Prussia from Germany.
    Or do you think that the Kaliningrad region should be returned to Germany?
  13. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 February 2021 13: 02
    0
    Quote: isofat
    Quote: Michael1950
    So who is the aggressor ?!

    YOU! You are the aggressors, this is clearly seen from the comments of your compatriots.

    One Bandyuzhnik what is it worth. I thought he would be banned when he called for pressure on the Iranians. And not only this...

    - Iran yells that it will destroy Israel at the first possible opportunity. Why not "crush" them? Do you need to kiss their ass? For this, there is Biden and his clique ...
    Even Putin is not at all opposed when the Israeli Air Force is smashing Iranian warehouses with missiles in Syria to rubbish, are you a greater patriot of Russia than Putin? Then - a machine gun in the teeth and in sunny Syria, to protect their Iranian brothers! laughing lol
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 20 February 2021 13: 46
      -2
      Michael1950... In a recent article - Iranian missile attack on Tel Aviv simulated in Israel, your compatriot Tramp1812 directly declares that Israel has not been preparing for war for a long time, but:

      Quote: Rogue1812
      Yes, they do not prepare at all, but regularly send the Persians to the next world. Therefore, there is no time left for preparation.

      And here is your approach, first blame without evidence, and then:

      Quote: Michael1950
      - Iran yells that it will destroy Israel at the first possible opportunity. Why not "crush" them?

      You have left many examples of your aggression even on this Russian site. You are misanthropists and pose a threat to the whole world. laughing

      I have not yet quoted such a frostbitten person as yours Bandyuzhnik!
  14. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 February 2021 23: 01
    0
    Quote: isofat
    You have left many examples of your aggression even on this Russian site. You are misanthropists and pose a threat to the whole world. laughing

    - You laugh because you don't believe yourself ...
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 20 February 2021 23: 09
      -1
      Michael1950... Society in Israel is not homogeneous, you do not love each other either. In Israel there is a Jewish conspiracy against "Russian" Jews. laughing
  15. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 20 February 2021 23: 12
    0
    Quote: isofat
    Michael1950... Society in Israel is not homogeneous, you do not love each other either.

    - And how you love each other in Russia! laughing The number of premeditated murders in Russia per 100 thousand people per year is 10-12 times higher than in Israel. Moreover: in Israel, 60% of the murders are in the Arab sector, while the Arabs in Israel are only 21% of the population ...
    It's about "love for each other" ...
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 21 February 2021 00: 01
      -2
      Quote: Mark Twain
      There are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies and statistics.

      And here's another, could you take Mr. Tsivin to your place, to his historic homeland, this rogue offends the Batalov family. laughing
  16. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 21 February 2021 00: 04
    0
    Quote: isofat
    Michael1950... Society in Israel is not homogeneous, you do not love each other either. In Israel there is a Jewish conspiracy against "Russian" Jews. laughing

    - As a deeply Russian Jew, I am not at all afraid of these conspirators. Just not a bit! wink They are out of envy! .. laughing lol
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 21 February 2021 00: 09
      -2
      Quote: Michael1950
      - How deep is a Russian Jew ...

      You intrigued me. About depth ... what did you mean? love
  17. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 21 February 2021 00: 19
    -1
    Quote: isofat
    Quote: Michael1950
    - How deep is a Russian Jew ...

    You intrigued me. About depth ... what did you mean? love

    - I meant that he was not a Russian-speaking Jew from Ukraine, not from the Baltic states, not from Georgia or any other republics of the former USSR. From Russia. From Siberia.... Deeper - there is no ... laughing lol
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 21 February 2021 00: 33
      -2
      I sympathize, but you yourself are to blame. So you worry about the future of your grandchildren. Earlier it was necessary to think.
  18. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 21 February 2021 02: 00
    -1
    Quote: isofat
    I sympathize, but you yourself are to blame. So you worry about the future of your grandchildren. Earlier it was necessary to think.

    - ?? What are you talking about? For 24 years in Israel, I have not regretted for a single second that I left Russia. Every day I am glad that I am not there ...
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 21 February 2021 02: 08
      -1
      Michael1950... You can see it immediately, just look at your form.
  19. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 21 February 2021 02: 12
    0
    Quote: isofat
    Michael1950... You can see it immediately, just look at your form.

    - In your opinion, if I once wore a Soviet military uniform, now, to the grave, I have to tearfully love and admire Putin's Russia?
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 21 February 2021 02: 18
      -2
      Do not dismiss the snot, you are not accused of anything.
  20. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 21 February 2021 16: 28
    -2
    Quote: isofat
    Do not dismiss the snot, you are not accused of anything.

    - Do not be rude.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 21 February 2021 18: 48
      -2
      Don't joke! SOGHEM wink !
  21. Danila46 Offline Danila46
    Danila46 (Daniel) 21 February 2021 20: 59
    0
    Quote: isofat
    Don't joke! SOGHEM wink !

    and then SHO ???